RTX 4090 Laptop vs Desktop - It’s not even close…

[@JarrodsTech]

The 4090 laptop GPU uses the same AD103 die as the 4080 desktop GPU, see how those compare here next: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGOYZGR6edRoa9k Update: At 4:49 I show that this laptop has 8 lanes of PCIe 4 for the GPU, which is correct, however not all 4090 laptops are like this. It seems to only be 8 lanes if the laptop also has an M.2 slot that supports Gen 5, like this GT77 laptop from MSI. I have another 4090 laptop here that uses 16 lanes and hits 24gb/s in the test just like the desktop. Difficult to say how much difference this makes though, I wouldn't expect too much, not enough to affect the conclusion of this comparison at least.

[@hpmsgreened8945]

4090 laptop vs 3090 ti desktop :)

[@ops-james]

Thank you for considering my request ☺️

[@niebuhr6197]

4090m vs 4080

[@Ghost-hi2dh]

4090 laptop vs 4080 laptop, like does that price difference really makes sense?

[@Romash.]

4070 vs 3070ti laptop

[@aerosw1ft]

Nvidia rebranding the 4080 laptop as a 4090 to trick people into thinking that they're getting the fastest GPU available so laptop manufacturers can charge sky high price for their products.. classic.

[@onlytheneeded412]

Sad thing is people are falling for it like sheep lol. Anyone that knows anything about gaming laptops and their architecture knows the 4090M should be the 4080M, no less they should always put "M" on their labelings, they just do this to further confuse their customers into thinking they are getting a desktop type 4090 in a 4090M laptop. AMD thankfully is more transparent, but I really can't wait until Intel breaks the market of GPU's and causes the competition to change their tactics. I went full AMD, and I don't plan on supporting NVIDIA for quite some time, especially after their capitalization on market manipulation and using miners for that. 40 series cards they went full price fixing in terms of 40 series involvement and 30 series remaining stock.

[@crearg8259]

Yes, and true, it’s the fastest Laptop GPU because they don’t produce portable desktop-level 4090😂

[@onlytheneeded412]

@@crearg8259 I think the biggest thing is the naming. This is more relatable to the 4080 desktop type, so this should have been labeled as the 4080M. The current 4080M they have would probably be more relatable to the 4070ti or 4070 desktop, which should have been named 4070M. They did this to net higher due to the names alone, and confuse the consumer yet again. It's quite deceptive, as normal consumers will see "4090" and think oh cool that is like the 4090 desktop. People should be skipping NVIDIA this year to show consumer power against their market manipulation, yet it won't occur.

[@crearg8259]

@@onlytheneeded412 You do realize that 3080 Desktop GPU was using GA102 while the 3080 mobile GPU was using GA104(3070 Desktop GPU), right?

[@onlytheneeded412]

@@crearg8259 that is another point as well that you bring up, which is a good point and kind of lines up with what I meant, that their naming schemes if they are trying to line it up to desktop should be lined up closer to their desktop counterparts if that is their goal. Like the 3080M should have been the 3070M. However, this 40 gen series chips they are able to actually name them according to what they were doing, so the 4090M should have been named the 4080M as that created gap allows them to actually name them more closely to their desktop counterparts, yet they decided to instill that gap creation continuance to yet again confuse regular consumers. The consumers like us though see through the issues presented, while regular consumers will not.

[@ChinchillaBONK]

The high noise on the laptop is great for Flight simulators immersion

[@WeallAreAdults]

🤣

[@jesseordonez5088]

🤣🤣🤣 you win!

[@Caesar_1415]

Niceee haha

[@DecemberSeraphim]

PS4 VANILLA all over again

[@mechamicro]

Yesss

[@ArcienPlaysGames]

Been here for a long time, but I don't think I've ever gotten to say this: I really appreciate how you don't do these kinds of intro graphics or music for your videos. You just get straight to the point. Lots of creators/reviewers are so adamant on making their audiovisual presentation their channel's identity (which there's nothing wrong with btw, but sometimes, it becomes the focus and it can be a bit much). Your channel's identity is NOT doing that, and it makes you stand out as a result. Alongside Floss, you're my favourite tech reviewer and it's not even close.

[@peterpetrov5831]

And it seems to me that a lot of them are using very basic speakers, and don't realize how much bass there is in the intro music and how it makes a huge boom on a big speaker setup.

[@mr.erikchun5863]

What’s wrong with the long 5 minute intros where they get on their knees begging you to ‘’smash’’ the like button and subscribe

[@danielslobodyanyuk6067]

I agree

[@Olibelus]

I like both styles, everyone is unique. That said, Jarrod is great.

[@ArcienPlaysGames]

@@Olibelus as do I if it's done well, but to an extent.

[@crxtodd16]

Jarrod's channel is, by far, the best place to get your detailed laptop info. Thanks for the excellent content, as usual!

[@suramabhopali7921]

Hey is 4090 150 watt or 145 watt

[@nomercy8989]

Since the specs are way closer to the 4080 I would like to see a comparison with that as well

[@tortugatech]

Absolutely, that would be the more informative comparison, as it would let us know how much performance is lost from the same chip when its power limited in laptop vs full power in desktop!

[@marekcieslak7602]

4090 laptop would still lose. You can compare it with desktop's 4070Ti and from what I've learned laptop is slightly ahead in majority of games (at least 1080p & 1440p, not a clue how the things are in 4k)

[@tortugatech]

@@marekcieslak7602 we know the laptop would loose, offcourse it would, but by how much is the question

[@mryellow6918]

Closer? You mean identical

[@rafgame01]

tested it against desktop gpus in Warzone with 4k max settings.. to 30-Series, it beats a desktop 3090 Ti by some 5-10 frames more. for 40-Series though... it's worse than a desktop 4070 Ti b 10-20 frames. Edit: compared to a desktop 4080, ...damn. 4080 beats it by like 60-80 fps.

[@DTD1233]

It was actually the 900-series that last used the -M notation, because they were trying to highlight the fact that the newer laptop dGPUs in the 10-series had closer parity with the desktop specs (minus wattage). That said, if they're going to deviate this hard, you're absolutely right. They should either include the -M, or name them more aptly for the specs they're meeting. This is either a 4090M or it's a low power 4080, but it's definitely no 4090.

[@dwaynethemineraljohnson412]

It should be 4080m since it uses the same chip as a 4080 so even calling it a 4090m would still be a lie and kind of false advertising

[@cameronbosch1213]

1:09 Nvidia actually had it with the Maxwell (900 series) GPUs and older, but they dropped them with Pascal (1000 series). For Pascal and even Turing, performance between laptop GPUs and desktop GPUs _were_ very close. But with Ampere (3000 series) and later, that is no longer the case. I agree, the M designation should have been brought back with the RTX 3000 series.

[@bl4ckst0ne]

fine they add an M designation to the 4090 laptop GPU...doesn't change anything, they're still gonna charge a premium and people looking for the best performance will continue to buy it.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@lazard I agree; it's only part of the story. They should have really called this the 4080 Ti M at best. NOT A 4090!

[@alastairgreen_Nexus]

Exactly! same thought with this

[@fidelisitor8953]

@@bl4ckst0ne Yeah they should call it the 4080 laptop or better still 4080M as it is a lower clocked 4080 desktop.

[@mechamicro]

It is 1 generation before. So 4090M = 3090 Desktop

[@amiraliseyedi]

that'd be awesome if you could compare RTX 4090 laptop with RTX 4080 or 4070Ti desktop.

[@pummelman3588]

The amount of details jarrod gave us, respect, thank you I learned alot about laptops

[@Dran_Kito]

It's be cool to see how this laptop compares to the current desktop 4080 or last gen's desktop 3090 Ti just to see a more extreme value discrepency.

[@rewardilicious]

The RTX 4090 laptop is about the same performance as an RTX 3090 desktop. Nvidia doesn't get enough credit for the insane leap. I'm considering moving from desktop to full laptop build after this.

[@disneyplusmember]

@@rewardilicious u do you

[@disneyplusmember]

@@rewardilicious'laptop build" you cant change your gpu or cpu wtf is a "laptop build"

[@olkar20]

@@disneyplusmember he means getting a laptop and going away from desktops

[@makvist]

@@rewardilicious don't. it's not worth it

[@wazkangz955]

At least the 30 series were a lot closer to each other and felt like a purchase that was worth it. These gaps make it seem less worth it to get higher end laptops.

[@SubKiller]

Felt like a good purchase because of scalpers mining the 30xx series GPUs

[@CosmicApe]

Are you naive thinking just because it's called a 4090 in a laptop that you're actually getting a comparable card to the desktop version?

[@xin2668]

This is exactly what I am looking for, fps of laptop in 1440p matching exactly the same as desktop in 4k. That's good enough considering viewing distance and screen size. I can't complain as a laptop gamer.

[@zac.le4869]

Mobile graphic card (let's say rtx x070 mobile) improvement through generation would be a great idea. I know it would be paired with different cpu but generational differences are expected

[@7evive]

Yeah would love 3070ti laptop vs 4070

[@dalefrancis9414]

Honestly I’m not bothered by the laptop gpu naming. I think after watching practically all the laptop videos on this channel knowing what to look for in a gaming laptop is easy. Thanks for your hard work Jarrod.

[@worldsfirstlol]

I mean, for a laptop, these performance numbers are super impressive. For a portable gaming option its great.

[@khiemho1106]

Not for the price, even a desktop is much cheaper with this specs

[@Criteon]

@@khiemho1106nonsense, laptops are worth more because they’re portable what’s so difficult to understand? Comparing value solely based on specs is ridiculous you’re completely ignoring functionality

[@khiemho1106]

@@Criteon sure thing buddy, you’re like one of the richest guys on earth, how wouldn’t i know?

[@Criteon]

@@khiemho1106ur lost

[@khiemho1106]

@@Criteon not really

[@MrTelecasterIV]

I used to buy these pc magazines and remember reading about laptops running the original Far Cry at med. settings at a decent resolution. It was considered a miracle. It still amazes me the power notebooks have these days. And still we are complaining... I grew up with a Dell Optiplex 166mhz Pentium, 32mb RAM and a S3 4mb GPU, we are truly spoiled these days.

[@jlb4685]

I really want to see laptop 4080 vs 4090 on the same machine. We need to see what the gains are :)

[@60DollarCodger]

Yep! Jarrod is arranging to have that data in 'apples to apples' laptops. Stay tuned 👍

[@mowomedia4801]

@@60DollarCodger When will this come out? I'm on the verge of a RTX 4 laptop splurge.

[@60DollarCodger]

@@mowomedia4801 😬 probably not for a few weeks. Although the arrangements are made with the right vendor to provide same chassis/different gpu, he still needs the machines to arrive. If you need to splurge ASAP, best bet is to compare his 4080M data and this 4090M data and try to judge what you "need". Good luck and enjoy 👍

[@mowomedia4801]

@@60DollarCodger Thanks I'll wait.

[@lancealbon46]

Dave2D gave some great 4080 vs 4090 data. Turns out the best value deal is the Asus Strix G18 with the RTX 4080, an absolute beast at US$2499.

[@Vincent.Brisebois]

There are many creators for whom the amount of GPU memory is very important. I think this could have been brought up in the conclusion. the main reason I got a 4090 laptop over 4080 is the 16GB of vram vs 12GB. You never have enough Vram for large 3D scenes. Great video!

[@PrashantMishra-kh1xt]

What do you do for a living?

[@ricardorocha4436]

Your results are in line with ones of the Hardware Unboxed. Although the specifications of 4090 Laptop GPU are similar to the destkop 4080, it seens that the performance is more in line with 4070 TI desktop. So, I think It would be a good idea make comparisons of 4090 Laptop with 4080 and 4070 TI desktop.

[@crazyelf1]

That's because of the power limits of the laptop GPU. The laptop GPU is under clocked. So really it's a smaller die that is under clocked to meet the power limits of a laptop to prevent overheating.

[@sierracosta47]

That's why it's best to wait for 4060 and 4070 since those types are usually the closest to their desktop counterparts. Better performance to cost ratio.

[@sierracosta47]

@@TabalugaDragon welp gonna keep my trusty omen 15 then.

[@s3any1977]

Thanks for this. Very useful. I'm upgrading from a RTX2060 Laptop, which isn't too bad. I was going to get a 3070 Ti Laptop. I know there is a performance difference between Laptop and Desktop but you've shown how that gap maximises the bigger the GPU becomes. So, change of plan. I'm getting a 3070 Ti Desktop, for the heavy hitters and keeping the 2060 for mobility.

[@TheFatSandwhich]

There is a very big problem with the naming conventions of these cards as you point out. I remember back when I primarily used a laptop for gaming, every card ended with the 'M' to indicate it was the mobile counterpart of a GPU and we knew they weren't the same as the desktop version. Several years later, here I am looking to move back to a laptop (without being clued up on them for years) thinking that they were squeezing actual 3080's etc into laptop now with pretty relative performance to the desktop counterpart. Oooh how I was wrong.

[@thepan]

Actually... you know what... Nvidia can save themselves from the 35-40% performance differences curse by naming the 4090 laptop to "4080" instead since the performance is closer if not similar to the desktop 4080. However there are some valid argument that if you enabled DLSS + Frame Gen (if the game allows) with a 4090 Laptop GPU, it would perform roughly the same as a DEFAULT 4090 with neither one or both DLSS + frame gen activated. But hey... marketing, am I right lol

[@gman7497]

Agree. I suppose they could just say that they're giving laptop people 5 different gpu options just like the desktop versions so it's 'fair' but that's pretty lame. I'd much prefer they just drop the present 4050 laptop gpu coz idk how that's gonna be any kinda viable option anyways. You might as well get a 3 series at that point.

[@DuneDee]

I cannot overstate how thankful I am that you not only put chapters in the timeline for easy scrubbing, but you included ALL resolutions on each chart. It makes it so much more enjoyable to go through and analyze the data at a glance.

[@Connief1990]

I know right. 🙇‍♂️

[@lewderoge7386]

I personally went with the 12900HX 3080TI MSI GE77 Raider laptop for $3300. Like Jarrod said it all depends on your work lifestyle and I’m always on the road traveling and makes for sense to me to game on a portable gaming laptop, now if I weren’t traveling for work so often I would definitely spend more on a high end desktop and have upgraded path for future components but as right now it’ll be a waste for me. Overall I very enjoyed the laptop hell of a beast for me and games get I play and use it for. Great video!

[@Justa_Guy_YT]

Good choice, although from what I have seen the 30 series laptops from last gen have gone up in price by a lot, rivaling even the newest tech… for some reason. I’m gonna be going for an Asus Rog Strix G18 with the 4080 and 13980hx this year myself, as it’s cheaper than most other laptops and even 30 series ones.

[@lewderoge7386]

@@Justa_Guy_YT I check out the price for my laptop after the next day when the 40s laptop drop. The price went from $3300 to $3000 lol then next day out of stock. I think the 30s laptop are overpriced is from 3rd party I bought it straight from Newegg with free shipping. I say you’ll still get a killer performance and get things done what you need it to do if you do end up going for the 4080 laptop. I said go for it!

[@Waaar]

@@Justa_Guy_YT my work requires me to travel majority of the year. I'm looking to get the same or maybe the strix scar 16 4080 what do you think? I know the 16 has a better display but aside from that 4080 vs 4090 is it that much of a difference?

[@Justa_Guy_YT]

@@Waaar Not really, from what I have seen content creation is really the only buff for the 4090M. But the difference in FPS for games is like 13-15%, it’s not worth the extra money imo unless you absolutely need the VRAM. I just got the Strix G18 and it’s a monster, and it’s only $2500 on Best Buy right now. You might even be able to save on an Open Box deal, which I did. Of course, $2500 is a lot but compared to the 4090M laptops that are around $3,500-4,000 I’d say it’s pretty worth it

[@baconeggstoast5327]

Maybe you can help. I don’t travel for work but I am looking into a gaming laptop. I had a desktop and it sat there. I currently have a Mac to help run my private practice, do my banking, my note program for my business etc. I would primarily play LOL, maybe try dark and darker, and a few other games. Should I got desktop again or can I go laptop ?

[@stermano3132]

A laptop getting close or better than the 3090 desktop is amazing. Its expected buying a gaming laptop knowing it’s not going to be anywhere near its desktop version. Comparing a laptop to a desktop is pointless but for people really wanting to see the difference and looking to buy a laptop or desktop it’s good to see the performance differences amazing video very informative

[@a64738]

It did not use to be pointless... It is this generation of laptop GPUs that is a scam. The difference between laptop and desktop Graphics cards used to be so small not long ago that they stopped using the M to mark it was a mobile version GPU.

[@MarkMiller74]

Well, it beats the 3090 by about 20%, but not only that, you have to take into account that there are more and more games that use DLSS 3 and frame generation and in that case it beats it by almost double the performance. A real barbarity.

[@XCraftllc]

What's really bad is that nvidia actually thinks this kind of "marketing" is worth it. Yeah there might be a small handful of people who get confused thinking the chip is the same as a desktop, but that in no way makes up for the loss of trust and respect they get from everyone else. They offer the best performance, all they need to do is call it a 4080M and people will still buy them up all day, even at the high prices.

[@bl4ckst0ne]

No, the same people will still complain that it's too expensive. They want 4080 performance at 3060 pricing.

[@XCraftllc]

@@bl4ckst0ne 😄

[@lil_brumski]

​@@bl4ckst0neI want 4090 performance at 1650 price

[@knightacedia]

Haha it's Nvidia they've always regularly participate in shady and sleazy shit this is just the first time you're noticing it.

[@Terreos]

I’m definitely gonna be interested to see how well these compare to older 3000 series laptops and even their desktop counterparts. So far the RTX 4080 laptops seem like a good bump up from last gen with good value. Never thought I’d see that. 4090 is definitely looking like they just released the Ti variant early. Regardless I’ll be waiting to see how well the 14” laptops perform once they get released.

[@TheDarksideFNothing]

Honestly I think they saw that AMD wouldn't be a major competitor in laptops this gen and just bumped the names up a tier. I bet in development the "4090" was originally intended to be a 4080. And that's why price/performance is so stagnant this gen in laptop. They named and priced everything a tier above when compared to the last gen lineup.

[@random_user5761]

Its usually one generation behind, so a good high wattage 2080 laptop usually performs like a 1080/1070 desktop you depending on which aftermarket card you’re using to compare.

[@niebuhr6197]

@@random_user5761 dont make those baseless extrapolations when they dont hold. A non maxq 2080 laptop is pretty close to a stock 2080 desktop. Faster than a 1080 by a WIDE margin. Indeed, in dx12 games, even my 2070 laptop is faster than a desktop 1080.

[@doriane9184]

@@random_user5761this is not true. With the 2000 and 3000 series, the comparison is more like they're as strong as the lower end of their current gen. For instance, the 3070 ti laptop gpu is as strong as a 3060 ti

[@rewardilicious]

RTX 4090 laptop is about the same as 3090 desktop. Which is insane.

[@fahadmushtaq2826]

I think another major comparison should be with RTX 4090 Laptop vs RTX 4080 Desktop... as well RTX 4080 Laptop vs RTX 4070 Desktop... we can get better idea as where the trend in going....

[@goinginzane]

Another awesome comparison video, no doubt you put in a ton of work and it shows. You're a legend Jarrod!

[@Tijgert]

If FPS is your prime concern then desktop is the way to go. Obviously. But personally I put great value in portability as I travel a LOT. Add the performance per watt to top it off I’m still inclined to choose the laptop and just take a few less FPS.

[@gman7497]

The 4090 laptop can just about any game out there at well over 60 fps in 4k, usually without DLSS being a factor. I guess I don't get the need for like 130-140 fps in 4k, that seems like overkill. But then again, I've never seen frames above like 70 in any pc games I've played so maybe im being dense lol

[@zoolzoo4434]

i like the ge66 12700h, 3070ti 150w, 32gb ddr5, 2tb ssd i got on ebay for for $1300 a couple months ago

[@sabata7658]

Hey Jarrod, big fan. Enjoyed the video as usual, but you made a slight mistake when discussing the "M" designation. It was dropped as of the 10 series, not 20 series. This was because the 10 series mobile gpus as you know were very close to their desktop counterparts. I agree with your point that it's time for it to come back though. Honestly the 30 series mobile deserved the "M" moniker back. Good work as always!

[@cameronbosch1213]

Correct. Honestly, 10 and 20 series were close enough that it wasn't too misleading. But by the time the 30 series came out, that wasn't the case anymore, and Nvidia really should return the M designation as a result.

[@TVCHLORD]

fan noise on gaming laptops is unberable, i had the 2022 zephyrus g14 and it got really hot and loud, it was beautiful and felt premium but the little fans cant deal with the heat the cpu and gpu put out

[@mh-adlerglanz1057]

This. So much this. I bought a Gaming Laptop for around 2.500 Euros/Dollars, and while the Idea of a Gaming Laptop sounds nice, its next to useless for Gaming. Because the Fans are soooo loud! It doesent matter how expensive your Laptop is, its gonna be very loud because its a Laptop. It forces you to play with Headphones at all Times. Never gonna buy a Gaming Laptop ever again.

[@jotacekm]

hey jarrod! looking forward for 4060 and 4070 reviews

[@TheEtherea]

Also, I think when you count configuration you will still have to include the Monitor as well even for some average price. Laptop comes with one equipped while Desktop isn't, Keyboard as well if we go further. It might sound weird but all of that pumps up your overall expenses. Laptops are always more expensive of course where you pay for the form factor. In my case I still have a great Desktop, but due to me travelling around there are no alternatives than getting a Laptop for that purpose, so I have basically paid twice.

[@JarrodsTech]

This is discussed at 16:10

[@bombshooter1507]

I was expecting sth like 200% difference, this is actually impressive!

[@kikushela]

I would love to see how laptop rtx 4090 compares to desktop rtx 3090Ti.

[@JamesHarris-ry2fq]

Beats the reg 3090 desktop

[@Optora.]

@@JamesHarris-ry2fq that is SO Crazy! A mobile gpu that succeeds over the top of the line RTX 3090 desktop brick from last year with a third of the power needed.

[@JamesHarris-ry2fq]

@Optora most of the cards are very comparable to each other, it just the 4090m and the 4090 desktop are different bc the 4090m is using a 4080 chip instead and is drawing out way less power than it actually should making it some 80% weaker bc they are using the wrong components

[@rajandeep9242]

Thanks for this video jarrod

[@CarnivoryHODL]

Sad Nvidia has to trick people like this.. All they need to do is add the M.

[@alexthomas3622]

Really Informative video.Thank you Jarrod sir.

[@andrei007ps]

Hi Jarrod, I think another great comparation would be between the RTX 4080 Desktop and RTX 4090 Laptop, because if it can keep up with that i think its acctually a great achievement in perf/watt, and also if the laptop variants would just be 1 tier below the desktop ones that would also be fair. But of course it would have been better to be called 4090M 4080M etc, maybe even include TDP in the name.

[@Frozoken]

Ik it's late but ofc it wouldn't keep up because it's literally the exact same cores, mem bus width and cache as the desktop 4080 except at a lower power limit with gddr6 instead of 6x which btw they can interchange whenever they want like they did with the 3060ti just putting Gddr6x chips on the die instead of gddr6 a couple years later. Tldr: It is quite literally a gddr6 4080 desktop limited to 175w instead of 320w so ofc it'll perform worse than even that

[@INerd2024]

I LOVE your reviews for full power machines vs each other, as well as full power comparison for components

[@katakouzina]

5:12 is what you are looking for

[@gadgetsawol3614]

Great video! I mean the fact that you can even plot "4k /ultra" on a graph for a laptop gpu without looking absolutely ridicolous shows how far laptop gaming has come

[@Ali13445]

I hope nvidia brings back the “max-q” name so we don’t have to go digging for the exact tdp. But knowing nvidia, they’ll do the opposite of what people want

[@bionicseaserpent]

Max P wasnt an official nvidia name

[@acyde125]

Nah them putting the exact wattage is exactly what we need. TDP > Max Q or any other marketing bs. Idk what laptops you buy but every manufacturer I've looked at has the TDP right next to the GPU

[@Ali13445]

@@bionicseaserpent oh yeah your right. I think so many people got used to saying "max p" for higher-full power cards

[@tommyb6611]

No, more names like max whatever are stupid. Just have the tdp value included. You are suggesting the idiotic practice from the german car manufacturers that include some numbers that don't reflect anything. A6 30 tdi. In the past that 30 meant a 3.0 liter engine and one could relate to the real specifications. Now they are used generic (like max something you suggest) and signify more or less depending on the numbers, but you would still have to dig to find the actual engine size and power output. So, in this case presented it should be sold as a "4080m 175w" (not 4090) no min, no max, no weird crap.

[@cameronbosch1213]

@Tommy B OEMs are required to post GPU power limits. Asus (with ROG laptops) and Tongfang (the resellers like Eluktronics & XMG) already do. Technically, an OEM not posting them is violating Nvidia's OEM requirements, but some OEMs hide it behind hard to find places.

[@romkahehe]

Jarrod, thank you for so much work! Gathering data, visualization and text is ....tremendous.

[@saboodoo]

it would be cool if instead of comparisons you just make video about 4090 4080 70 60 and 50 and when all the videos are out make a video comparing them in different categories like 4080 vs 3080 4090 vs 3090desktop etc

[@Doge_Owner]

You wanna put this guy to work xD

[@ministryofwrath]

I was in the market for a 18" 4090 laptop. but this is making me rethink it. the issue is I'm always catching a flight, moving between houses and work, so I sadly will need to take the power hit, or lug around a pc tower.

[@muhammadshaffkhilji1574]

Hey Jarrod I have A few recommendations for when you do a comparison of differnt CPUs in games for example since you compare 11th gen vs Ryzen 5000 series you seem to always test games that are more demanding on the GPU rather than the CPU eg Cyberpunk 2077 or Control , or if there are some CPU intensive games they ussualy always hit 300+ fps any ways I think for most of the users It doesn't even matter that much if the game can already hit 250+ fps in CS go , sure some competitive players still might might want to see that but the experience is mostly gonna be the same unless they have like 360hz monitors... So my Personal Recommendation is when you Compare Intel 13th gen vs Ryzen 7000 series in games Use the Cpu intensive games with setting in that affect the CPU the most... For Example Raytracing in games Nowdays seems to be getting A lot CPU intensive So You shold test The recent Games that have Raytracing 1: Spiderman Remastered (With RAYTRACING) 2 Hogwarts Legacy (With RAYTRACING) ETC.... And if you think that is a lot of work load I think you should just stop testing the lower settings of the (Story Driven Games i.e Single Player games) from the benchmarks of the higer-end Laptops Like Realisticly No one is goona want to Buy An RTX 4060 laptop or higher to Play on Low or Medium setting on (Single player games) So for single player games Just test the Following settings from Now on... 1 : High 2 : Very High or Ultra (if Available) 3 : Raytracing Medium 4 : Raytracing Ultra Granted you will have to test Dlss3 or FSR3 when that becomes available and you have two resolutions to test 😬 So, For Upscaling use the following setting 5: Very high or Ultra (if Available) + Dlss2 /or Fsr2 (Quality) 6: Raytracing Ultra + Dlss2 /or Fsr2 (Quality) 7: Raytracing Ultra + Dlss2 /or Fsr2 (Quality) + Dlss3 /or Fsr3 Please Consider testing according to them as they might be more helpful for a lot of people By tehe way Love your Videos Man ❤ Keep up the Good work .

[@aqilk]

Yes that's something I have to Agree on as that would be more helpful .....

[@anwaralsadatkhan]

Why didn't I think of that 🤐

[@vennomjr]

I think he should also be testing Frame Generation With Regular Ultra settings 🤔

[@muhammadshaffkhilji1574]

@@vennomjr Nah that would just be more workload ...

[@muhammadakbarmahar]

Affermative 👌🏻, 3 of my friends have An rtx 3060 laptop and for Single player games they all Use Ultra or high settings and try to get the best visuals Low settings aren't needed in Higher or Mid range laptops since they have gotten a powerful enouh to easily handle high settings

[@ShootingTargets727]

Thanks man ! They use to be kind of comparable now we are back to the same old thing night and day performance differences. Thanks again !

[@vlonebored]

great comparison jarrod! could you compare the laptop 4090 to desktop 4080 since they use the same and have the same SM count.

[@JoshuaG]

1:07 Little correction (i think🤔) , they stopped using the "M" label starting with the GTX 10 Series for laptops , that makes the gtx 900 series maxwell generation the last to use the "M" badge 👍

[@DeathWantsMore]

The price makes difference tho, you can build a 4090 PC for half of that laptops price lmao

[@dieseldouche7735]

No you can't. This laptop is around $4000. The 4090 is about $2000 alone.

[@garretts431]

@@dieseldouche7735 why is your cpu, psu, mobo and ram and case costing you $2k? Plenty of sales to save money - there’s also bundles.

[@wongwaras356]

@@garretts431 is it still cheaper when you include everything else like monitor, mouse, keyboard, speaker, camera, etc?

[@garretts431]

@@wongwaras356 not sure - probably not. Though we are talking about purchasing a computer vs laptop not every peripheral on top of the computer/laptop purchase.

[@zinoviev_xp4298]

best bechmark channel ! , straight to the point and super transparent with the data.

[@tryfergoodra552]

A question that i have , is with 4070 vs 4060 in laptops , they look rly similar just the 4070 with more cuda cores , is this rly a big of a gap or will be the 4060 rly close in performance?

[@tryfergoodra552]

@@TabalugaDragon no i mean 4070 mobile vs 4060 mobile

[@ElCapitanD]

Thanks for the video, would like to see the 4090 laptop vs 3000 desktop GPU’s.

[@ops-james]

The difference between these cards is so much, I dunno how are they even calling this the 4090...

[@tryfergoodra552]

For real just marketing shit

[@jellybeangaming4297]

🤑🤑🤑🤑

[@BeastyBite]

it's called hypercapitalism and is a system in place that fuels consumerism.

[@SteveEricJordan]

what would the gaming laptop community be without you man. we love you man

[@BatLB]

considering you have to pay 4500-7000 euro for a RTX 4090 Laptop, Performance doesnt matter. No sane person is buying it anyway, so no matter how it runs its good enough for a mad man.

[@MovieGasm]

I have both. I’m loco

[@northernassassin6056]

I think people would really like to know how these laptops perform at high too since that's the settings most of them use.

[@Josephine-r7b]

I wonder if a laptop with a desktop rated 4090 can or ever will exist as a secret prototype

[@bl4ckst0ne]

would need 3 laptop adapters to power the thing.

[@Josephine-r7b]

@@bl4ckst0ne shoot I didnt think about that

[@alastairgreen_Nexus]

Hopefully, this will be a reality with XMG/Clevo regardless of 3 power bricks or 1 gargantuan 1k watt charger if that's possible

[@emudshit]

No, NVIDIA removed the “M” from the 10 series as the chip wasn’t a mobile chip and was in itself the same shit as the desktop variant , the 10 series on laptops was a huge generation leap

[@mrwolfery]

Hello Jarrod!! First of all I would like to say I love your videos!!! Now I would like to ask if during your XMG Neo 16 comparison video, can you please compare the CPU temps (in water cooling) with the older XMG Neo 15 because the water cooling pipe in the newer one only goes on the GPU, and as you said in this video, Siper-Man is a CPU intensive game, so I’m kinda worried for the temps on that laptop?😅

[@Bluerything]

i think nobody was expecting it to be close at all. if we are just looking at their size, pc rtx 4090 is almost bigger than the whole laptop.. ofc it will have more power in it. also, as long as it gives you a pretty solid gaming experience, i dont mind this difference at all, because its more comfortable for traveling for sure

[@micalangenburg1706]

Hi Jarrod! Since this is a laptop and we all know that desktop are superior when it comes to specs wise. Can we compare it to last gen GPU specifically the RTX 3090 Desktop? Because the laptop RTX 40 series is a huge leap in performance and I wonder how close it is to last gen's Desktop or at least the RTX 20 Flagship GPU. If it surpasses the flagship RTX 20, it is definitely a "desktop replacement" to some people, because there are still a lot of people who would rather to work from home or travel while they work. Than going to the office. I hope you would grand this request. Have an amazing day

[@michaeldendulk9225]

As per benchmarks that have been coming out laptop 4090 = desktop 4070ti = desktop 3090ti, which the advantage that the 4xxx GPU's have DLSS3.0, which pushes them well above the desktop 3090ti in games that support it.

[@agent-sz2qj]

you make very detailed benchmarking videos, very informative!

[@_TheMarwan_]

Hey jarrod! Wonderful analysis! I was wondering, in your opinion, what desktop gpu does the 4090 laptop gpu compare to?

[@adityaapte3845]

Thanks for doing these differences!

[@mussim2919]

No matter what, desktop will always be king, even 3000 years from now.

[@cheerful_crop_circle]

Maybe

[@XandexTheMarshan]

Extremely unlikely mate 😂

[@I_hate_you_Forza_motorsport]

Lol😂

[@Danjal987654321]

I do a lot of my work while out side. But also sometimes at home. Its comforting being able to have the option to do heavy tasks everywhere you are.

[@SilverIndian]

I will wait for the 4090 Ti

[@j2ballybatty]

That never came

[@maxpayne69.]

With the Pascal 1050ti - it was the first identical full fat gpu on both laptops & desktops & the laptop version was even faster thanks to the foundry refresh. Oh how far things have strayed now! 😮

[@theo5675]

4090 is basically a 3090 ti desktop which is only 1 year old now still insane! it can’t keep with 4090 desktop it’s just too much power maybe one day if they can somehow make a 4090 desktop power more efficient it could compete with the next series still if u limit a 4090 desktop to the same watts the 4090 laptop beats the 4090 desktop so still very impressive for power efficiency!

[@gman7497]

They will keep improving but there will always will be a gap. It's less about tech than physics lol. A laptop gpu can't keep as cool coz there's not enough space. I suppose there could be material/liquid cooling solutions for it but in the end there's only so much you can do.

[@theo5675]

@Gman 749 I agree u can't beat physics so not sure why people are complaining lol it'll get somewhat better for sure with still a gap between but I mean how can people not appreciate that its only about 1 year gap from the most powerful desktop GPU!! That's an amazing leap in tech!

[@gman7497]

@Anthony Lee the biggest complaint is the pricing but reviewers seems to be fixated on the fully specced out msi Titan 4090 which is the most expensive one on the market. an Asus Rog Scar 4090 is in the 3500-3800 range which is still a hell of alot but considering the performance you're getting in a laptop it's somewhat understandable.

[@rank4053]

Did you really listen In Flames ? I just asking cause i love this band to , and melodeath in general.

[@achrefhjr4322]

One day I will get this RTX 4090 but without finding time to play a single game on it😭💔

[@lennoxlewis9513]

Man, this hit home💔

[@linchester8464]

Here in Singapore the GT77 Titan is a whooping 9300 bucks. That price is insane!!! Previous 12th gen GT77 was like 7000 bucks. The price bump is def not worth it. Its the price of 2 high end desktops.

[@JarrodsTech]

It's about the same in Australia too!

[@linchester8464]

@@JarrodsTech yikes!!!

[@jonathanr4160]

Nvidia should just have just called the 4090 laptop the 4080M considering it has the actual 4080 desktop chip in it. 4090 laptop just isn't even in the same league as the desktop despite both having the same name and eye wateringly high prices.

[@mencibenci]

I’m baffled how NVIDIA still hasn’t been hit with a lawsuit for their misleading desktop/laptop naming scheme, I guess saying “laptop” after a GPU model differentiates it enough from the desktop version, it’s pretty weird tho

[@alastairgreen_Nexus]

Indeed, unless gamers and more consumers will press on this issue. Hopefully this should materialise and someone from Australia should also complain this issue on ACCC due to misleading marketing.

[@blondegirl7240]

I won’t be surprised if Nvidia asks the same $$$ as for 4090 desktop chip😎

[@seeking.eternity]

I have gone back and forth between the rtx 4090 benchmarks and 4080 benchmarks (from jarrod's) and from 10 random games, @ 1440p, the 4090 seems to be 18.86% ahead of the 4080 at avg fps. (no frame gen benchmarks were used) i didn't feel like keeping track of the game titles, but here are the numbers i got. top row is 4090 bottom row is 4080. (avg fps/0.1% low) i rounded up or down based upon .5% or higher - one game did have the 4080 performing better, i didn't include that in the average @1440p, as it seemed like it was an outlier 4k 2k 1k 45/34 79/56 107/71 38/27 69/38 95/50 46/37 91/64 124/82 37/28 77/51 114/66 56/28 106/29 137/32 43/23 87/28 122/31 33/26 62/37 84/50 31/18 51/28 73/38 58/39 69/47 71/48 50/31 76/41 79/50 103/54 146/76 146/83 87/59 131/83 132/89 84/37 135/68 177/97 70/30 113/56 152/80 139/106 210/147 252/167 108/85 169/124 207/146 80/59 121/58 143/56 66/49 99/45 118/49 96/28 117/34 128/40 80/26 106/30 119/37 60/53 116/94 166/131 48/39 93/78 134/109

[@marcinlegacy9660]

If U put 150W against 450W U will never be close...

[@SolarErazer]

Rtx 4090 laptop 175w vs 300w 3080 and the 4080 laptop wins

[@vladimirmonakhov8770]

Thanks for the excellent content! Turns out I no longer need the Desktop rig. WIth laptop I will be able to play any game in 1440p at 90fps+. And even in 4k with DLSS.

[@sharp640SR]

My 3080ti kills that laptop gpu.

[@eyang7]

Thank you. Was planning to buy a 4090 rtx laptop but this changed my mind completely. I'll just save and build another pc when parts are cheaper. Still rocking the 1080ti for now.

[@herrmandreas]

Well, should be 4080 M for sure. But nothing other to expect nowadays... Thanks for your informational video. Btw. nice shirt ;)

[@pragmaticparabellum3042]

"lower is better" for power draw is not always a correct way of measuring, you also gotta compare how much performance its providing for the specific power draw. so more performance per watt is better even if the power draw is more than the comparison. most youtubers wont include this but i am so glad you included "fps per watt" benchmark. thank you jarrod

[@MadDecent10]

I totally agree with you .. But let me point out why people choose laptop regardless of the higher price , thermals and lower fps .. ITS MOBILITY .. being a hardcore gamer from 2005 i never have any respect for laptop gamers and console gamers. but from 2019 i have a travelling job and than i actually bought a laptop . and honestly i am not going back to destop because of benifits portability less space . even when i am home i dont have to sit up and play games i can easily lie down with a cooling pad and inside my quilt i can play games .. and if u want to play games on big screens you can do it .. there is a lan party i dont have to take my heavy cpu with me and drive carefully so that i dont accidently do something to those components . i am travelling for work staying in hotel i can carry my laptop and play games .. so thats the reason why people choose laptop they dont care about inflated prices a little bad thermals . they worry about the comfort and portability. Hope you cover these aspects also when you are comparing .

[@MadDecent10]

and one more thing its been in market that the FPS Cant be same on 1080 desktop to 1080 laptop going all way till here 4090 laptop to 4090 desktop. the desktop gpu takes more power than the whole laptop is consuming it has headroom for the thermals . . please cover all the points .

[@MarksmanSpecialist]

one single slide cleared up everything, god damn marketing

[@khada8143]

you're a legend Jarrod

[@tehpanda64]

It sure warms my heart knowing laptop buyers also are being scalped on gpu prices.

[@srb5776]

I'd still take the laptop, the difference is not enough for me personally to give up portability. I love building desktops but it's nice to just move wherever I want when I want.

[@Hamudy007]

Jarrod is the best gaming laptop reviewer

[@zubaerahmed8196]

you should’ve compare between 4090m vs 4080

[@shauryamusic28]

Love the video and the in flames merch

[@Gremmiez]

What would u say is the best current laptop

[@Romash.]

jarrod i wish i was living near you. Just can't explain how i like your videos🍀

[@TheMaztercom]

Gaming laptops arent worth it, just alone cus the price and temperatures, you will be constantly fighting for your whole setup to not burn itself

[@Peizxcv]

How many people cross-shop desktop and laptop? None. How many people put down $4000 for a gaming PC without due diligence? None. So who are the people that keeps complaining about being confused? Well, people that’s easily confused😵‍💫

[@gman7497]

Agree. Idk why the hell you would buy anything that's 4k without doing a TON of research. I agree that the naming of these laptops is dumb, but to any gaming enthusiast it should be understandable that a gpu with limited space for cooling will be less powerful.