Gaming Laptop Awards 2024!

[@JarrodsTech]

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[@bankaimaster999]

Why the dodging of the Asus SCAR 17 with the X3D chip?

[@lukylucasgaming9446]

​@@bankaimaster999a better laptop got released. He didn't mention it, but msi dropped the raider A18 with the 7945hx3d cpu, and it was selling for 2699 over black Friday.

[@lukylucasgaming9446]

Idk what happened to my last comment, but a raider A18 with the 7945hx3d was dropped and was on sale for 2699.

[@49Ssr]

you need to get a proper suit for this

[@airflux_]

I should have bought the LOQ w 4060 when it was at $699 😭😭

[@joelconolly5574]

Next year Jarrod will have a new thumbnail, a new suit and a new set.

[@rade9215]

Anyone know what's the most durable laptop? I had a Legion, but I guess cleaning wise and replacing the paste etc.?

[@rkymtnchi503]

@@rade9215 a Legion is as durable as they get, any laptop needs to be cleaned and re-pasted every now and again

[@penssytestsy9581]

​@@rkymtnchi503what about the 14th gen intels tho? Im kinda hesitant and feel like i should wait for 2025 before getting a legion

[@rkymtnchi503]

@@penssytestsy9581 assuming they're somewhat accurate, the leaked prices I'm seeing for next year's gaming laptops are sky high. More due to the 5000 series GPU than the new Intel chips, but still something to note

[@RobloxianX]

Here's a little honorable mention: The Dell XPS 14 has the slowest Ada GPU on the planet, being a 30W RTX 4050. Despite that, it performs the exact same as a GTX 980 Ti running at 250W. While that sounds good in a vacuum, comparing a 2024 Laptop to a 2015 GPU is a silly comparison. I just happened to find that interesting.

[@Gidrah]

I won an Ebay bid for an Asus Scar 17 (2023) with a 7945HX and 4090 plus a 64 GB ram and 2 4TB M.2 upgrades with an $80 laptop cooler for only $2200. Currently typing my comment on this and going through the challenging but rewarding setup process. Absolutely love this machine so far!

[@fakirfamilylifevlogs5794]

I got the legion 7i and I am very happy with it. This is my first gaming laptop.

[@AdventureTourist]

Try Warzon game with streaming and share response GPU temps FPS in game FPS in stream Resolution max in streaming???

[@HastelloyC276]

@@AdventureTourist5

[@gregkalogeras3481]

Same I got it with the 4080. I sold it a couple months later and bought myself a cheap 4050 for 500 to hold me till a 5090 with a 18/19 inch oled screen comes out lol

[@disekjoumoer]

Same here. Really good machine.

[@talgattursynbekov9677]

Im happy with my legion 7 from 2021 with 3080, still plenty of power on 34 inch widescreen.

[@Alecrya20]

I dont have a gaming laptop but still watched and will still watch when 5000 series are announced😂

[@formulaic78]

I have a slim 7 legion from 2021. Just had to replace the keyboard but otherwise still going strong. I don't really need a gaming laptop cos have a desktop at home and only really use it for work, but I just love having a laptop capable of playing games if need be. If I were sensible I'd just get an ultra portable normal laptop next time around though.

[@ankur2676]

Same here

[@nenume00]

next year we would really love to see how the Battery draining is in shut down /sleep, since some people would like their laptop to work as a laptop, and hibernate or keep battery % when shut down, insead of always charging them

[@mystery79]

I bought a Zephyrus G14 thanks to you, after seeing your videos I realized it had the most of what I was looking for.

[@darsh2209]

I just bought it 2 days ago during the sale. It's awesome

[@JarrodsTech]

Nice hope it goes well!

[@ctran1955]

@@darsh2209can I ask how much you got it for? I’m looking on today (cyber monday) and feels like the prices went up 😭

[@Daredevil98812]

I also got the G14 a few days ago and it's beautiful

[@ctran1955]

@@darsh2209can I ask how much it was? I was looking on cyber Monday and it seems the prices went up 😭

[@jmanknowsall7376]

New JarrodsTech Drinking Game: Every time he looks up and to his left, flips his palms up, and shrugs - Take a drink Happy drinking gamers 🍺

[@JarrodsTech]

🤷‍♂🤷‍♂

[@SenbonnZakuraa]

Yeah 2024 is boring for laptop releases

[@ctrl_x1770]

I agree. It was really more of a refresh, except for maybe the Zephyrus G series. I think new GPUs are the primary motivator for manufacturers to make actually new laptops, so in 2025 I hope new innovative and interesting laptop models come out.

[@yuliakochenkova8516]

Yet with tariffs threat looming in the horizon, it might the best time to buy now rather than regretting it next year.

[@K-tw4wb]

​@@yuliakochenkova8516What I just did

[@RoonoDeer]

Whats thats??? ​@@yuliakochenkova8516

[@Freestyle80]

and with your orange god setting tariffs you can expect worse in 2025

[@ahouat7913]

You should start expanding your content to handheld pcs also, Cant wait for your full reviews on those

[@SheddysGaming]

I can see that happening in time. As a HUGE fan of handhelds for 20+ years, all I can say is.. everyone eventually sees the light 😅

[@ahouat7913]

@ just got my first pc handheld this yr, and sold my laptop after 1month of use.

[@RobloxianX]

The XMG Neo 16 is just absolutley insane in how fast it can go. Being able to beat out X3D with how great even the air cooling is. Absolutley cannot wait for the RTX 5090 variant of the XMG Neo 16, it'll be an awesome upgrade for people coming from 30 series.

[@JundRaptor]

I have a Eluktronics and it's kind of crazy how larger brands haven't jumped on water cooled laptops yet given that thermals is the biggest limiter for laptops. XMG/Eluktronics have limited brand visibility due to being Tongfang rebrands, but I think a Lenovo or ASUS water cooled laptop at a place like Walmart would turn A LOT of heads Edit: I guess the biggest issue would be production scope, since Tongfang can sell the same water cooling systems as XMG/Eluktronics/Cyberpower, but companies like Lenovo would need 2-3 water cooling compatible models or partner with a different brand to save on manufacturing costs

[@valour549]

The problem is that for how costly their laptops are, there's not even a miniLED or OLED option.

[@RobloxianX]

@@valour549 Honestly IPS is still nice because no blooming and no burn in. I'd like to use a display knowing that colors are 100% accurate no matter what I do with it

[@valour549]

@@RobloxianX Asus miniLED screen is the best: no burn-in problem, VESA-HDR 1000 for entertainment, and an option to select the backlight mode so there's no blooming when trying to do productive work. Just so amazingly good I don't think I can ever go back to IPS after this.

[@-mrws-]

XMG could really beat all others with 7945HX(3D) chips inside.. but they are outside... All hail Intel! 🤣 though doesn't matter that Intel CPU's are actively dying, it couldn't be that bad, right?)

[@deltaeternum9270]

G14/G16 was the way to go this year. OLED, speakers, battery life; the total package. They just need to figure out what they’re doing with Intel v AMD models since they’re all over the place and you can’t get an AMD chip with a 4080/4090 which is absurd.

[@tejvarun_Otaku]

ASUS dominated Best Battery life,Best Speakers,Best performance on battery,Best Touchpad,Most Portable All important Categories.

[@adammorra3813]

For which laptop?

[@tejvarun_Otaku]

@@adammorra3813 Asus zephyrus G16

[@owest123]

I bought asus tuf a16 2024 rtx 4070 ryzen 9 7940hx 2.5k resolution 165 hz

[@tejvarun_Otaku]

@@owest123 great! all rounder laptop ryzen model have better battery life than intel model.

[@maxkysl9641]

Yes and the worst customer support ever, so if it breaks, and it is just a matter of time, you will cry and buy a new one 😊

[@arnoldarndth7925]

Jarrod it would be awesome if you could make the entire list of your testing results in each category (fan noise, Benchmark numbers etc.) available on your website, even if its just a csv download or something. This would very much enhance if you try to compare several Laptops, because the Graphs in your Videos can only show so many Options.

[@LaptopDealsEU]

I recommend testing something from MSI's mid-range next year, like the MSI Pulse👌🏻

[@samgoff5289]

He literally test what companies want to send him for review….he isn’t just deciding not to test certain models and I doubt buying every laptop would be possible not just because of cost but also storage for them all

[@umric]

The tuxedo shirt returns! 💪🏽💪🏽

[@superstar8553]

Thank you Jarrod! Your videos are the best!

[@LeonardoAlexi]

Year after year, you keep proving that you are the very best gaming laptop reviewer in the world. Thank you, Jarrod, for your hard work! When you're at CES next month, I suspect you will find that almost all high-end 18" gaming laptops, except maybe for Alienware m18, will have dropped the Mini DisplayPort, which is a pity considering that DisplayPort 2.1 is about to be widely adopted. I realize that their reason for this is that most users have switched to Thunbderolt-compatible displays, but I also suspect that none of them will replace the missing Mini DP port with a third Thunderbolt 5 port. MSI dropped the Mini DP from the Titan 18 HX this year and never replaced it with a 3rd TB5 port. Razer dropped the Mini DP around 2019 and are still stuck at 1 TB port & 1 USB-C port! Can you please ask the major manufacturers whether it is at all possible to bring back the Mini DP in the coming years, or at the very least, have 3 TB5 ports (in addition to keeping the 3 USB-A, 1 HDMI, 1 2.5G Ethernet, & SD card reader)? I mean what's the point of having a large 18" chassis if the ports are not differentiated from the 16" models? If Alienware can do it, why can't Razer & MSI do it, too? I would deeply appreciate it if you could cover this specific point. Thank you.

[@justsomething0]

Nah wth Razer is actually ass if they have 2 ports. You cant even plug in a mouse and keyboard.

[@MrRobaloAmigo]

More laptops needs to be tested in 2025! :)

[@Lt_Koro]

thats a pretty damn spiffy suit you got there

[@jackmanning2528]

Who else watching this on their gaming laptop

[@60DollarCodger]

who else is watching this while wearing their best tuxedo t-shirt?

[@RoseInnn]

@@60DollarCodger who else is watching this whilst holding their number 1 trophy?

[@HaraldrHarðráði]

Watching on my gaming laptop while having a game up on my secondary monitor

[@RazeDee]

Watching on my iPad mini 🙂

[@perekman3570]

I would like to see an award for the most efficient power brick.

[@MultiNatla]

I got an HP Victus 16 this fall after careful consideration. Ryzen 5 7640HS, RTX 4050, 32 gigs of RAM. Fingers crossed it serves me well, so far it seems very strong to me. (No Problem with the Hinges...!) Excellent thermals too, and it's silent when idle or browsing the web, playing music, etc.

[@ddayblue]

My country only has 1 ssd slot in victus 16

[@Lt_Koro]

about the prizes it should be mentioned that if you live in europe you're screwed. you're lucky if you find a 4070 laptop with discount at around 1500€

[@youtubeenjoyer1743]

have you tried not being in europe?

[@abyssmage6979]

​@@youtubeenjoyer1743 "Man, I'm so poor." "Have you tried being rich?"

[@youtubeenjoyer1743]

​@@abyssmage6979 Idk why your comment was shown to me only in notifications but not under the actual comment, so you might just be in my head. I would say that if you live in Europe, especially in the EU(SSR), then purchasing a gaming laptop should be closer to the bottom of your priority list. Run while you still can.

[@Brenzo_CS]

Recently had to begin travelling a good bit for works. This video was really helpful in buying a new laptop to work / game on the road. Thank you!

[@darsh2209]

I love how every year during the awards video he wears the tuxedo shirt

[@nobesschoolie7974]

Gotta love the tuxedo t-shirt always

[@NovaH00]

Since decibels scale is logarithmic, you should make the noise graph logarithmic as well for better comprehension. Aside from that, good video as always

[@Alex-nr4xb]

How often are people *actually* gaming on battery life that it's deserves a consideration? Heck even on planes you can connect your charger.

[@JarrodsTech]

You'd be surprised!

[@m.hreels9822]

Nice T-shirt tux! 🤵‍♂️ ❤😂 That makes it official! The awards should be going to you! 🏆

[@christopherdoerre1255]

trackpads being bigger isn't a feature. trackpads that extend further than the left hand side of the spacebar on the left and past the alt key on the right are unusable, particularly for people with wide hands.

[@abhardwaj02]

I wish you would have reviewed Lenovo Legion Slim 5 4070. It often goes on sale in Canada and I have thoroughly enjoyed it for the 3 weeks i had it

[@ldlt56]

With a very very tough decision and almost pitching the legion 7 i went with the g16 with a 4080 32gb ram & 1000gb of storage. It’s getting here tomorrow i will update anyone who has questions

[@brendon120q4]

How is it?

[@incener0ar57]

How is it ?

[@mike_abramyan]

Great video Jarrod. I'm curious how much better game streaming over LAN will be when wifi 7 arrives for both routers and laptops.

[@adlibconstitution1609]

0:57 the RTX 4060 8gb laptop is beating the RX 6800m 12gb laptop 😮😮😮

[@ericwatson4624]

17:39 you can also thank Nvidia for being so restrictive when it comes to how and who uses their GPUs. I was really, really hoping something with a Quadro would be available. Even though the Framework is expensive for the specs, the fact you can swap in a more powerful GPU would be huge for a mobile CAD or rendering workstation.

[@sir_wesley86]

just bought another laptop from your list. thanks as always!

[@M.sadraa]

Love your videos❤️‍🔥

[@RealYoLeonRL]

3:15 question, sorry for being late, ok are you gonna live stream it? Or upload a pre-recorded video? Love ur content :)

[@harishjayaprakash2236]

Awesome.. Adding Best Build Quality would have make it complete

[@ahmedazaz2152]

Thanks for the video. Do you have intentions to review MacBooks in future? If you do that would be really good I think.

[@itsnat4268]

The Acer helios 16, 2024, with the miniLED and i9 14900HX paired with the 175w 4080 would have been a top contender, I believe. Hopefully, Jarrod tests more acer gaming line laptops next year 🙏

[@HiddenAdept]

Pretty hyped as I managed to snag a Alienware M18 R1 AMD edition with all the bells and whistles around Christmas in mint shape on eBay for $1675. $1100 below MSRP only a year after release. This model is the only one that got the the Mobility Radeon RX 7900M 16GB GPU paired with a Ryzen 9 7945HX CPU. Should be good for a while!

[@AryamanPoddaar]

Can you make a video on how to use pry tools to open up your laptop and how to clean the fans? It would be really helpful for a beginner like me. I got my first gaming laptop (Lenovo legion slim 5i) last year after watching your video!

[@douglasprado9107]

For the budget laptop, I liked the Asus TUF A16, which has a Rx7700S.

[@gemstone7818]

Best cooling should be determined by wattage decided by decibels, seems like something you could do with the information you already have

[@mcunner]

I got an i7-13620H RTX4060 Lenovo LOQ 15 in April and paid less than what it cost now during black Friday 😂

[@JT11111]

the G16 is the best gaming laptop right now hands down

[@seb5689]

if I get another laptop it will be the XMG

[@Jjxseta]

Hey, love the videos! As someone new to the world of tech, you make it really to understand. Quick question, is it possible to find the Lenovo Legion 7i with a rtx 4080, or is it only for the pro

[@jonathanraymond1855]

Just got my first gaming laptop and your recommendation of Lenovo Legion 7i was great! I watched your video on how to setup a new laptop, I ran the video cards software to get it updated, I was wondering should I also use intel software for updates or just stick with Lenovo Vantage updates

[@azaz2023azaz]

Great vid 3 days late! Got mine last night 😢

[@quantumdelirium4423]

It would be interesting to look at something like battery per fps. Cause if your battery isn't good but you run at 300+ fps... it's difficult to consider only battery life. As for WIFI7 I would add my 2 cents that it's not just the speed, I believe there are some reliability enhancements as well. Being on a largely uncontested band is very useful in city areas too

[@CarnivorePriest]

I really wish you reviewed the M18 R1 AMD with the 7900M

[@12lippylucy]

My missis wants a new gaming laptop for Christmas. Thanks for your help, i think im going to get her the Lenovo LOQ 15, should run WoW

[@MetalRex101]

God, XMG Neo is a hell of a machine. If the next generation will be decent, I will find a way to buy it!

[@DeadMan_W]

Is the XMG a tongfeng or a clevo?

[@RomiiPlays]

Glad i got this laptop Legion 7i 2024! Do you happen to know if CPU or GPU have liquid metal?

[@a2dxshake569]

I still have a special place for HP omens 17" 4090 i9 for $2.3K at release and $1999 now... literally can't find that spec for that price from any other brand.

[@09jlivers]

So are the laptops on your site listed with the best deal (in your opinion) at the top and working down?

[@60DollarCodger]

nope, not necessarily. they are all what Team JT thinks are good deals based on their constant monitoring of prices. pro tip: try filtering by price range to see the deals that are in your targeted budget 👍

[@JarrodsTech]

Top just means most recently added. We might put some text saying that.

[@bigbenisdaman]

I do love my Blades. Have one with a 2070 thats been great, and picked up a 3070ti one last year.

[@ninjastylecj]

Thank you!!!

[@megabaneen8057]

Love the shirt. Lol You have the best reviews

[@TheGoatPC]

HP Victus with 1080P 144hz screen with AMD 8000 processor and a 4070 for $850 I think was a great deal.

[@fireoil]

great video Jarrod ! The only thing missing is the RTX 4080 tier, i own a MSI GT77 Titan 2023 with the "lower" RTX 4080 and i think at a great deal is interesting and way more cheaper than the 4090 and mini led options but still with everything else good to have a complete package. I know that testing a lower version of high end PC would be nearly mission impossible because it would have to double the test. Only one youtuber "GenTech PC" tested the rtx 4080 spec of the GT77. ( youtube veteran ! ) If you could test such "alternative" Configuration it would be awesome ! for thoses who doesn't want the best GPU but a good Laptop still it would be interesting to fit just the specs of lower specs. maybe i'm in a niche, but a 3000€ laptop vs 4000 or 5000 + is a difference between buy and not buy in my case !

[@BeamerTime354]

I have a Lenovo legion 7i pro with the 4080 and have been pleasantly surprised by the laptop.

[@ballisticarrow27]

Definitely buy used and shop around if you can. Got a 2024 g14 mint condition for 960 the other day

[@Yorozuya4ever]

Bro said used and got a laptop from that year xD

[@ballisticarrow27]

Yeah, i got a used 2024 model for basically 40percent off

[@rkymtnchi503]

I love that Jarrod gets all fancily dressed for this event every year. True professional

[@vncube1]

23:47 that's the gaming laptop industry problem especially with dGPU stagnation this year: a laptop gamer already made their choice prioritising performance over lightness and portability. There's no shame in designing a laptop that's 'inherently' thin (CPU + GPU requiring less power, vapour chamber cooling, thinner oled display panel, frigging Frore Airjets or some other black magic cooling) but leveraging thickness improvements toward reducing thickness instead of fitting in more performance and features is looked down upon by gamers.

[@lukylucasgaming9446]

I absolutely agree. I would rather have a thick durable, powerful laptop over a thin more likely to break laptop.

[@ProAvgeek6328]

The whole point of a gaming laptop is performance and a good viewing experience, which means a thick 18 inch is the best.

[@void.xerinium]

a question , is it better to wait for christmas to buy , or shud i just buy anything good available? the one i wanted to go for seems to have gone out of stock :(

[@Clavs01]

can you do this next year before black friday sales please? XD

[@redds7]

Damn it, there are so many laptops, so many pros and cons. I don't really know which one to pick... getting confused with thos chipsets etc etc.

[@danielkirk5660]

I find it insane that you can get an rtx 4050 laptop in the US for $500 but in the UK the cheapest RTX 4050 laptop you can find is £699

[@maddada]

Best laptop reviewer out there! Thank you.

[@Puroking-101]

These are good BUT it also depends on how it's built. For example:it may have 5T of storage BUT it's flimsy and that can cause Micro fractures in the motherboard and that could KILL the entire laptop. The screen is important too. Imagine closing the laptop and the screen it cracked OR the outer shell of the laptop could crack/chip too. HOW IT'S BUILT MATTERS TOO NOT JUST THE STORAGE, RUN RATE, PERFORMANCE AND FANCY LGB LIGHTING. please do a quality test(dont brake it just show how sturdy it is pls)

[@dgweoiwo]

is the 7i better than the 5i ?

[@pork087]

funny how LOQ is here even though a lot of the models have had their motherboards fail and lenovo did not care

[@IghTzZ]

Was going to get a 2024 Legion 7i pro 4080 for $2000 but ended up with the 2024 Legion 7i 4070 as it went on sale yesterday for $1500 both seemed like a good deal but heard the pro went backwards in some aspects and had less upgrades from previous year. Thoughts?

[@Rain4est1337]

So what would win best cooling without addons

[@NotRanger]

what is your thoughts about Predator Helios 18 vs MSI Titan 18 which is better

[@apersonontheinternet8354]

Haven’t had a gaming laptop in awhiiiile, so compared to the old worn out legion from like, 2016? They’re crazy good nowadays

[@xDontStarve]

You've been using the same thumbnail for the best laptops of the year video since 2021

[@JarrodsTech]

Shhh don't let everyone else know

[@FiresPaper]

🤫 🤐

[@DVR_Made]

My Legion Pro 7i comes in today. I initially bought the Zephyrus G16 and it was instantly giving me problems. I also needed something more powerful apparently for the program I use

[@One-EyedWilly]

What problems? Currently trying to decide between them

[@DVR_Made]

@ I only had it for a couple of days but my audio just failed out of nowhere. When I started it on the last day owning it I saw a bunch of black screens pop up and then close automatically. And I didn’t even use it for gaming but the program I was trying to use said the 4070 and 16GB of RAM wasn’t enough power so I got a Lenovo Legion Pro i7 instead

[@packersfan036]

thanks!

[@Mustafa_9628]

Any recommendations for a solid gaming laptop with an OLED display?

[@glimmerz3464]

Watching this on my legion 7i glacier white 4070 model. This laptop is so nice

[@osamaalsabouni136]

Again, no mention for the asus rog stric g17??

[@aviral1337]

why didn't you mention the legion slim 5 in the best battery life section?

[@orsonbutlerjr.5018]

it's the tuxedo shirt for me 😂🙌🏽💯

[@void.xerinium]

Can u please tell which one is better ? Legion 7i or MSI stealth 18 ? its on the cyber monday deals on your site

[@JarrodsTech]

Haven't reviewed the Stealth, but had some light use with it. Main difference for me is the 18 is just bigger, and I prefer the portability of the Legion

[@SebiCb500]

Regarding Intel 13-14 generation is this also a problem at the laptop versions?

[@darkprince4917]

This year I bought acer predator helios neo 16. I must say that I have been satisfied.

[@biab8545]

it is loud?

[@darkprince4917]

@biab8545 not too much. Its a like a steady jet stream fans go about 7000 rpm. Its decent i'd say.

[@janezy2448]

In my country you can buy an HP Omen 14 with a GTX 4060 for a little over $1,100, which I think is a pretty good price for this laptop. The build quality, as I've seen in many reviews, was mediocre in places, as was the gaming performance compared to other laptops with the same graphics card. However, for this price we get an OLED screen, Type-C charging, a metal body, a really interesting keyboard, excellent battery life and really good performance, considering the DLSS capabilities. I'm currently considering buying it and the Asus Rog Zephyrus G14 2022, but I'm leaning towards the first option right now, because I read on Reddit that the liquid metal system in the Asus can leak and cause a short circuit, I'm even afraid to imagine what would happen to a laptop for $1,100 (this Asus model costs exactly that much in my country)

[@youtubepremium5799]

Your analysis needs to be corrected. The content creation section does not even have Legion Pro 7 RTX 4080 or 4090, but it does have Legion 7i with RTX 4070. What kind of logic is that, knowing that 4080/4090 can easily tame the 4070? What am I missing here?

[@khangle6872]

Oled screen

[@vassilisvassiliou3747]

I got the Lenovo Legion Pro 7i a few days ago and today on Cyber Monday it dropped to 32% discount, they have a Price match refund policy, trying to get a refund for the £200 difference now.

[@ilkeeren27]

Thanks for the video, it's really helpful and clear. Looking for a laptop to use in school and gaming, I'll use apps like Unity and want to play games like Elden Ring and God of War at maximum settings, so I've decided to buy Asus ROG Zephyrus G16 with AMD CPU, 32GB RAM and RTX4070 because it's very light, less noisy, looks premium and yet very powerful. It's 200$ off right now in the Asus E-Store but still don't know if it's worth the price, would you buy it if you were in my place?

[@Oleh8519]

Jarrod have I wait to nvidia 5xxx? or buy 2024 model

[@abdullahzafar4401]

1:04 Your Numbers for 6800m are waay lower compared to other channels on same settings. There is definately something wrong here, this is inaccurate

[@nelrose2494]

do LOQS still have issues?

[@nenume00]

as far as daily reddit posts, yes, dead motherboards, bad screens (even in legion pro 5) etc