Jas-39 Gripen Vs Su-47 Berkut | MODERN DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

[@GrowlingSidewinder]

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[@GrantvsMaximvs]

SU-47 vs -57 or -47 vs Mustang or Spitfire

[@firebald2915]

@1:16 the missile was about the wingspan distance behind the Gripen at a 45 degree angle to the afterburner. Hmmm... that's been happening a lot lately...not for you, GS but for your foe. Lucky them.

[@andrewhoops7009]

Hey Mate, big fan i’ve got a custom PC build im doing at the moment and i was curious as to what GPU n Graphics card your running and what not And also any hardware like joysticks and what not Any help would be awesome Cheers

[@thomaslacombe9040]

How do you get these other aircraft mods like the F22 and the JAS 39, Su-57, etc… Can anyone give me some info, please? Thanks in advance!

[@gorky113kam]

@GrowlingSidewinder Can you set russian speech informant on ru planes? It will be more authentic

[@txoilfield]

The problem with forward swept wings is a phenomonen called 'aeroelastic divergence' meaning excessive and unwanted wing flex at certain flight regimes.

[@hanrockabrand95]

True. In layman's terms, the design can cause air to push upward more at the wingtips, which twists the wingtips upward, which increases the upward force on the wingtips, which twists the wings more... which could cause them to snap at some point.

[@doccls]

Correct. With traditional spar-rib-stringer wing construction, the tip twist is divergent. The only way to make a forward-swept design work is with composite construction, which the Soviets didn't have at the time.

[@vasilijevukadinovic6843]

​@doccls u are correct but they did u composites on the wings. This was the first plane witch they used to test. There was something witch I forgot. It was either the got the composites from someone else or they used an inferior process to make them. Can't remember but maybe couldn't make wings in 1 pice or not a pre peg process. Anyway something

[@vasilijevukadinovic6843]

​@doccls one problem they found was excessive maintenance on the wings because of the twisting

[@alekosalekadis6095]

Now with new metal aloys you can overcome wing stress. Today su47 is very possible to exist.

[@KingMakerRook]

"he's kind of on my six, I don't love it," is a very excellent line

[@DDayJayke]

You know what I wanna see now? Su-47 vs Su-57! Berkut vs Felon!

[@xii-nyth4101]

What's the point of fighting up there? You're not gonna take a real score anyway.

[@RookFox]

Omg Count and Tabloid

[@levidotson6610]

Same

[@Stinger522]

I would too. Along with Berkut vs the F-15 Eagle.

[@DDayJayke]

@@xii-nyth4101 Gimme a break!

[@lenn55]

I remember reading about when the Swedes first brought their Gripens to Red Flag. They did very well against red air at the beginning using their tactics like only 1 plane in the flight had their radar on and transmited the radar picture to the other Gripens via their very good data link and the Gripen being so small with a low RCS they were able to surprise the bandits.

[@CookieMonster-nt8hh]

damn, the Gripen is a lot better than i would've though here after seeing the Su-47 vs raptor video. It looked like you two almost had a mid-air collision in the last round. that would've been kind of poetic

[@robleyusuf2566]

Because he was under estimating the Gripen.

[@theamericancommie727]

​@@robleyusuf2566I think it's just skill, his enemy pilot was moving that gripen GOOD

[@deltasierracharlie]

The guy flying this Gripen was much better than the guy that flew the Raptor. The guy flying the Gripen clearly understood the basics of BFM, while the dude that flew the F-22 not so much.

[@stevedawson8128]

As SOON as you said "easy kill", I knew you were dead 😂

[@sejhnly]

The Gripen to me is so impressive, no matter what it’s up against long-range or dogfighting, it seems to always have a decent chance of winning

[@panamafishingtours]

I have to say .... the other pilot was really good ! you should invite him more often It was a delight

[@v8makoshark]

The Golden Eagle looks slick and very Sci Fi in that black livery, super cool.

[@joeykeiner5503]

I love that the Su-47 has been getting so much attention on this channel. I love the oddity of its design. I know its not the only aircraft to have them, but I just love the look.

[@Anti_Everything]

The developers never implemented radar fuses in missiles. Therefore, air battles look exciting, but at the same time ridiculous. The missile flies a meter from its target and does not even react.

[@ahnafmuzibmahi9253]

The gripen deserves way more attention than it is getting

[@alpenfoxvideo7255]

the SU-47 shoots those missiles blind, you see they start tracking the enemy after a while because they're inside the fuselage and doesn't expose the seeker until dropping them

[@terulien]

Interesting how many pieces of the SU were shot off by the Grippen yet the SU maintained full maneuverability.

[@TartarusHunter]

I suppose that's what you get when you have ALL the control surfaces.

[@ThorSuzuki1]

Considering multiple very new aircraft is in DCS now but the Gripen E is not, yet the C-variant is performing well against those modern jets- an E-version should be hammering most planes.

[@mj1234321]

It's a neat looking aircraft. My grandfather was still an engineer at Grumman when the X-29 rolled out - I don't think he worked on that program but I remember him sharing some promo material. I guess that's what the future looked like before stealth trumped aerodynamic and kinematic performance.

[@TheJuggtron]

It'll be interesting in the next 100 years if stealth retains its primacy or if a tech will make it useless - or if it becomes so powerful and ubiquitous that fights will be forced to the merge and kinematics will matter again :)

[@A.hdh.]

Looks of Su-47? Amazing!

[@evanwindom]

"This is gonna be an easy kill..." seconds before pieces start departing the aircraft.

[@Derkar95]

A cool idea i thought about would be a battle of the tech demonstrators. Have the SU-47 vs the F-15 STOL/MTD

[@stinkyfungus]

The f15 mtd doesn't have a gun.

[@longwingdetrain3183]

@@stinkyfungus It couldve. The gun was replaced with sensors and info gathering tech.

[@aceblaneescabusa5371]

Impressive dogfight capabilities you two had. At 13:36, it just really looked as if the Su-47's agility is less than that of the Su-57, but I think you will pilot the gripen against a felon on this same setup, or we will just look forward to seeing the Su-47 vs Su-57 to compare the agile skills. Great content GS!

[@lothwinmore2536]

The guy flying the Gripen is very good.

[@300spartan2222]

I just love it when GS says "fox 2 from me and.." the break in the edits when GS dies is so funny :D

[@emilybjoerk]

I'm a simple girl, I see Gripen, I click.

[@doc7000]

That first fight air brake was high risk high reward.

[@Vespuchian]

When they say the Gripen 'punches above its weight' they're not kidding, it's usually the smallest plane featured in these videos, not sure if the Falcon/Viper's larger.

[@JazzJaRa]

Yes the F-16 is larger than the Gripen

[@left_ventricle]

F-16 is slightly larger than Rafale, and it’s about the same size as a Eurofighter Typhoon. Interesting or not, the Mirage 2000 is similar to Gripen in terms of its size.

[@lukeunterkofler106]

If Batman had a fighter jet it would be the su-47

[@jameslanning8405]

The "no shoot," on missiles is probably due to the aerodynamic and ballistic limitations of the missiles themselves. A missile can't turn on a dime, they are just too fast and have small control surfaces. They can turn in longer sweeping turns and their speed allows them to make small adjustments in reaction to the target. But 'off the rail,' they are not capable of just doing wild sharp turns and being fast enough to catch the target in close.

[@Manuel_Wlisses]

It makes sense...

[@Manuel_Wlisses]

Man, how crazy! This dogfight was really mind-blowing for me, great video!

[@stevestogsdill5791]

I appreciate that you own it when the other guy gets you and you don't make excuses. You just explain what happened.

[@horusfalcon]

"Vasily! Check the missile ignition systems! We just lost GS to another Fox Two that didn't come off the rail!" The Gripen has an estimated cost of $85 million. Cost for the Su-47 is likely somewhat higher than that, unreliable missile systems and all.

[@skullofserpent5727]

Gripen pilot flew like a true fighter pilot. kudos.

[@IceyJones]

strange that the SU did not get damage from those 30mmm center mass hits

[@fawakamaha]

if I remember correctly, the biggest benefit to the forward swept wings was stall characteristics. Something about the stall starting at a different point and making it easier to recover.

[@timowiemer7733]

As a Swede I would love more content as the gripen but as always love the content❤

[@MRXi0]

Bruh

[@shelby2561]

I personally would like to see more of the gripen loving the dogfighting videos btw

[@garyhamman8934]

I love that plane! In black, so sinister looking. And you can see how the forward swep works .

[@erdngtn9942]

Was that last one the longest competitive fight you’ve made in a video? I mean roughly competitive machinery.

[@tisrab]

I've always loved the look of forward-swept wing aircraft like the Su-47 and the Grumman X-29, crazy that they can look like Star Wars ships and actually fly 😆

[@DDayJayke]

It is a good thing the Su-47 tanked those shots in the second round. I thought you were toast! The Su-47 tanked quite a few gunshots actually, which was surprising, but probably a pain in the ass for the Gripen pilot.

[@zapokoin6133]

😆😆

[@MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw]

Actually the coolest god fights I ever saw.

[@bitkarek]

Gripen is so underrated! good pilot there btw.

[@mikes8948]

"I dont usually cheer for GS's opponent, but when I do, GS is flying an Su-47 fantasy fighter."

[@sohrabroozbahani4700]

You know far before there was a Hiccup to train your dragon, there was Vicky the Viking who was an extremely resourceful fella, this little SAAB monster reminds of him, full of surprises...

[@alxavier3795]

Another great fight! Well done to both pilots!!

[@SimRacingPakistan]

Oh man... It would be interesting to see Rafale vs 47

[@11leonidas11]

That Gripen gun sounds amazing!

[@EVE101Patt]

the gripen is such a beautiful bird 🤩

[@NvrchFotia]

Seems like the Su-47 retains speed better in low speed turns which puts it in front of the bandit quicker than you'd expect.

[@MRXi0]

That what forward swept wings does

[@abbaerfani9007]

Oh my goodness the last round was amazing it was just like two dancer try to kill each others. Gerat fight by you GS love your work ❤❤❤

[@tethys8113]

Awesome to see the Su-47 showcased, I just finished a model of this rare and beautiful bird. I gotta wonder how close this flight model is...

[@SarcasticGame]

The SU-47 is so beautiful. I remember when I was kid back in like 2000 when this thing came out. I bought like 3 toy models of this aircraft and still have them to this day. When I saw it for the first time, I was like “that is the coolest looking fighter jet I’ve ever seen” I also have the SU-37 Terminator, which is also a beautiful aircraft.

[@SahiRoshan]

Gripen is like a BRUCE LEE , little but agile , fast and cunning

[@NXL269]

Wasn't breathing that last round lol

[@otterconnor942]

Great flying by the gripen

[@jpteknoman]

The idea of forward swept wings was born because of the problem early jets had with back swept wings. Too much air pressure at the tips at high speed locked the ailerons, so the idea was to sweep the wings forward and bring the pressure to the root and free the control surfaces. Once tried though, they found it was causing more problems than it solved so they decided to move the ailerons closer to the wing root in the form of spoilers. Not as efficient for maneuvers but far more reliable for control

[@icaleinns6233]

I absolutely love the look of the Berkut, and also the X-29. Gimme those forward swept wings!

[@stevenhartman2605]

It's crazy how much the forward canopy bow obstructs the attempt to line up high aspect gunshots in the one circle. Surprising there aren't more fully transparent canopies like the F-16, but I guess it's not a common enough scenario to justify giving up the structural reinforcement.

[@Mav09]

F/A-18E/F vs F-35C (Fox-2 fight) would be epic to see! Navy vs Navy : Old vs New Day 13

[@Ilovemyidi]

I really wanna see the grippen fight the F22, just because thats how it got crazy hyped up for it being able to hold 9 g turns and people were saying “F22 killer?”

[@anchorhostetler6292]

lovin the intro, "sup my dudes."

[@kentyannayon3741]

If we can get a full fidelity JF-17, why can't we get a Gripen? They're both underdog export options, and I don't know how Deka got enough info on the JF-17 to get cert, but you'd think the Gripen would be in a similar situation.

[@Mike_Romeo]

JF-17 is a cheap export and "support" fighter. Meanwhile the Gripen is the main aircraft of Sweden that wont give any data out for their own security.

[@RT42069]

Every time his missile missed i was expecting it to swing back around and nail you 😂

[@isaac77655]

SU-47 vs YF-23 dogfight?

[@imadude85]

@Santi-792 X3

[@usptact]

"I don't like the separation..."

[@wandr3r180]

That Gripen is underrated. I kinda wish Canada ordered them instead of the F-35.

[@deltaforceshuttles3749]

If you mixed an f 15 / a flanker and some weird alien tech, the Berkut is what you’d end up with (maybe a bit of legacy hornet in there as well) with the air intakes

[@JAEUFM]

I can't imagine the insane calculus that was going on to produce wings that can give lift at these slow speeds, and perform at much higher ones.

[@herbderbler1585]

3:57 Ryse and that missile got into a staring contest. Looks like the missile blinked first.

[@nwbklr]

That was a sick one. They looked like two leaves blowin in the wind in slow motion. 🤤

[@therealmikyway4346]

Great video as always❤. Since most of the parts are made out of the Su 27, I‘d love to see a fight (DF and BVR) against it. That would maybe show the difference between the FSW and regular wings on a similar platform.

[@pantern2]

If I saw a dogfight like that from the ground, with shots and missiles going everywhere and with one likely to crash somewhere in the vicinity I would be really scared to end up as collateral damage...

[@jlight7346]

I can't get over how goofy the massive wingtip missile rails look on the Gripen lol

[@JazzJaRa]

Well the Gripen is even smaller than an F-16 so of course it looks weird on it. ^^

[@2canines]

They are full of sensors and electronics. That way they are so big.

[@jlight7346]

@@2canines I know but I find it funny because the proportions are out of whack. It's like someone with comically large ears but is otherwise normal.

[@RogerJL]

The real Gripen has auto aim cannon from front and auto release when high probability to hit from rear - so you could kind of hold in the fire button...

[@gonhelen8931]

the fact that there's many times where you die early to a single missle when flying su-47 mean that the steath ability is somewhat impacting to the final result

[@Inunoniichan]

since they are both maneuverability technology demonstrators, how about F-15S/MTD vs SU-47?

[@Fr05t3k]

Imagine su-47 also had thrust vectoring bullshit. OMFG this would be so deadly in dogfights.

[@azwolf0429]

I love the SU-47… prolly one of my favorite silhouettes and just super sinister looking imo.

[@moritzmulle7105]

Amazing Video! I‘ve don’t really know how to fight with High off-boresight missiles, do you plan on doing a Video where you run through your decision making like you’ve done with some guns only dogfights? That would be amazing!

[@TrustableGuy]

One of the more intense matchups ive seen. Very close!

[@mattiasrask1575]

I wonder when DCS will start simulating debris that can hit the plane behind the kill

[@datpieceofbread9570]

"it's basically a SU-27" yeah but fixes all my issues with the look of flankers and fulcrums

[@Sskysnake]

When I was young, the berkut was my fav plane. I didn't know anything about it, just that it looks special

[@loganmerryman202]

9:39 "Hey honey, did you order a burning jet?

[@danieldunlap4077]

On the kitty hawk, A couple of hornet pilots were dog fighting And were diving and looping near the carrier. It was pretty fucking cool

[@leycron4034]

Hey man you inspired me to play DCS. I want to join the Luftwaffe and next year I will graduate so I need to learn a lot now. DCS will help a lot

[@NidasRichmount]

you should have more angles from the ground honestly! Some fight would look pretty cool, raptor vs SU-57, aka "the falling leaves", for example

[@markanderson2145]

Imagine that airframe with Pivotal wings. Front swept for sub mach maneuvers, rear swept for Mach plus. Snakebite would be the model name. 😊

[@Lee-sti8wrx]

Ha ha, you just landed him on someone's house. Sick video man and the Gripen looks amazing, much better looking fighter than the Berkut, but that fighter is growing on me. It can do some sick manoeuvres man. There is something about the ass end of the Berkut that weirds me out. Love the channel man, and keep these sick videos coming.

[@UGOArctic]

Wish you did more ground shots. Like you were saying in your video, watching the maneuverability from there would have been awesome.

[@Zairn12345]

Imagine seeing some of these battles above your house. F’in crazy. 😮

[@totalNERD-eo7wx]

I would kinda like to see a large scale wargame scenario with the Nordic nations (Sweden, Norway, and Finland) against Russia's Kola Peninsula based forces.

[@Storlans]

Well balanced fight both planes very equal in performance.

[@rizz917]

I wanna see the ultimate matchup… the F22 vs Chuck Norris

[@straitouttahell]

I often find myself thinking it's a shame that nobody created an aircraft following the Northrop Grumman Switchblade concept. A variable sweep wing aircraft with forward-swept wings would be an interesting machine to see in action.

[@dalehill6127]

Yes, that's a great idea! Sweep forward for the low speed manoeuverability, and back for the high speed turns. That would be something. And a small word of admiration and thanks from me--a non-pilot--to Mr GS and his opponents for these fantastic videos! Love them!❤️

[@sturmovik_80]

imagine if this fight would happen before 2005 (Su-47 first flight was 1997) and the gripen would be stuck on AIM-9Ms

[@danpatterson8009]

With all that looping I thought you were both going for a maneuver kill.

[@ReiMonCoH]

I’d like to see the fight from the ground. And maybe some above shots on rate fights👍🏻

[@barblenarf]

Is there a DLC where you can fight the Aliens from Independence Day? That would be sick to watch!

[@B14ckic3]

Kudos to Ryse, great fight!!