The Depravity of a Minecraft Predator | The Lionmaker Saga (Ft. The Right Opinion)

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Join me and The Right Opinion as we take a look back on the KZbinr whose depraved actions once rocked the Minecraft world to its core, Lionmaker Studios.
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[@jaubrey]

Just wanted to make a quick clarification. Suzie was actually the one who had control over her daughter’s phone during the time Lionmaker requested nudes from the 13-year-old. This is a detail I didn't realize until after my video went up, and as a result, I was unnecessarily cruel to her for just trying to do what was right for her child. I take full responsibility for not doing the proper research and apologize for mischaracterizing that aspect of the story, it was absolutely a mistake on my end and I would like to resolve it. I hope this pinned comment can suffice as a decent explanation and apology for what I did. Thanks for reading this far and I hope you can forgive me.

[@ItsKaypora]

You were being way too rude to her j but we appreciate the apology

[@goofman4332]

This lion maker guy is so disturbing

[@himariyabelayneh1937]

Owee I was sad about that... thank you for the correction

[@itsclemtime2357]

I don’t think you were being rude towards her, but I may be wrong.

[@DandiLostmotivation]

I like how you put the correction on this platform instead of another, that’s actually pretty responsible

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

Lionman: "I was in an intimate relationship with a 16 year old girl." Clown: "What is an intimate relationship?" Lionman: "I was not in an intimate relationship with a 16 year old girl." Clown: "Then why would you say you were?" Lionman: Lionman: Lionman: "I'm not playing your game."

[@IsellWater]

lol

[@harlensdestruction7115]

your daily reminder that any pedophile in public is 100% free game

[@guy136]

He just keeps giving himself away😂👏😂👏

[@goldenproject1892]

Lionman when he gets caught in a logical fallacy: 👁👄👁

[@TayTayMakesBeats]

@@goldenproject1892 Lionguy when the cops roll up: ✋🦁🤚

[@PicturedMind]

Lionmaker: You won't let me explain. Colossal: Well explain now. Lionmaker: No. >:(

[@RexxiToon]

LMAO

[@deathlizard3047]

Pretty much, Lionmaker decides to redirect accusations and questions, not answer them and stalls. And it's so obvious that he does so. He's an idiot who can't vouch for himself in an interrogation. And a disgusting person for deciding to groom children.

[@elenogingin]

Kurt Eichenwald of KZbin

[@jacyrogers5178]

i understand why he likes kids because he has the mind set of one

[@ireadysucks3026]

@David Thee SPARTan very necessary

[@annavictrix]

If a dude over 25 uses the “age of consent is different in some places” excuse, he will harm kids; he’s already justified it in his head.

[@ZERO_42069]

One time someone said that and i said “age of consent dont mean its a free pass to fuck minors” and i got blocked

[@breebles5]

can confirm, ex friend of mine said this all the time about the age of consent in NYC. he met his now 21 yr old gf when she was 18 and he was 25 going on 26, and it doesn't sit right with me at all

[@samhughes3327]

@breebles5 18 to 25 isn't that big of a deal. My parents were about the same when they met and they are both wonderful people and my dad never in a mill8on years gave me any vibes like he would do something sinister like this. Now if it was 18 and 45 that would be a red flag.

[@CephalonAxii]

@@breebles5 Sam Hughes beat me to it. 18 to 25 isn't that huge of a red flag, simply because an 18 year old is a technical adult. And is a vastly different, and far more acceptable circumstance when compared to the 25 year old and 15 year old pairing.

[@cookie5535]

Idk age of consent varies wildly by law and culture. a 17 yro isan adult is most everywhere but a young child in USA

[@t8910]

You know you fucked up when keemstar takes a W

[@RealNick04]

True but I feel bad for Keemstar espc what that pedo artist Shadman did to his daughter: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKewZ51jodCUmqc&t (small trigger warning since there's pedophilia)

[@StormCrownSr]

It seems Keemstar can only take a dub when his opponent is a confirmed pedophile. The bar is so low that it's below the surface of the earth.

[@queenofvermin]

Hey I'm glad to see him be the good guy, it's rare but appreciated

[@sarasliger9176]

Is keemstar an assaulter/Pedo? Or is he just kind of toxic? Cuz I never watched him and only see him in small clips

[@lenrussell2424]

Hey, he may run a gossip rag, but as it turns out, even a gossip rag can occasionally do real journalism.

[@baileymckenzie7032]

The fact that he's walking free at all is disgusting.

[@lakamokolaka]

The law is not developed enough to handle these online cases. We hadn't had the law updated since 2003 when it came to that

[@theworldofdio]

He was charged.

[@ashikjaman1940]

@hob ob log Because if they're falsely accused or not the correct suspect then a person dies for no reason

[@crunchii891]

@@lakamokolaka Which is fucking stupid since child grooming is such a prevalent problem on the internet.

[@imunderyourbed7577]

@@crunchii891 and in real life which both are extremely fucking gross

[@leelaalasvegas2160]

He’s ONLY sorry he was caught. Point. Blank. Period.

[@sugarlips1124]

This.

[@monstrosity6738]

Also he literally admitted that a 28 year old having a relationship with a 15 year old ISN'T fucked up

[@mayasuri5184]

@@monstrosity6738 yeah there’s no excusing that. It’s just wrong

[@BitchChill]

Ew you said "Point blank period"

[@deltazenturo1701]

@@BitchChill got damnit now you got me thinking about that

[@joshmclovin]

The way Lionmaker says "I was VERY protective over her." Is how I'd imagine a groomer would say it/justify it, what a disgusting human being.

[@caolanochearnaigh9804]

Not a human being. A monster.

[@jammindragon1812]

Exactly, so many groomers say shit like they’re protecting their victims from “other people who want to hurt them” or how protective and loving they are. It’s sickening

[@agencymenace1090]

It's how they segregate the victim from possible safe people. "Yknow men around you will hurt you if you tell them, it's just between us."

[@HooLeePhucingSheet]

They believe they love them when it's just about sex

[@yeahreally9185]

On To Catch a Predator, most predators give this exact reason for showing up to a child's house. "I'm protecting her to make sure no *other* creeps can get to her!"

[@JaxontheOkay]

"Were I, as a 28 year old to date a 16 year old, be fucked up, morally in your eyes?" really is the perfectly crafted loaded question. If he says it isn't fucked up, then it shows he thinks that's okay, making his whole story much more suspect. If he says he thinks it is fucked up, then he admits he knows what he did was wrong and has been dodging repercussions the whole time. Brilliant

[@lilmat8510]

EXACTLY. the way he dodged colossal question just shows that he thinks it okay. he kept avoiding it and then saying that he couldnt answer and that it wasn’t a moral question, like bruh u are a pedophilic. i used to watch lionmaker as a child and so this hit hard and its so disturbing to see a 28 act the way he does and do the things he does. he is such a lame cunt. i have nothing but hate and disgust for him.

[@smahlthief]

Conversational jiu-jitsu

[@devinisdead4061]

Ya but he doesn’t know you or Adam and Eve so how can he say being a nonce is bad 😂😂😂😂

[@llamaczech]

Only brilliant because now we're working backwards with knowledge no one had at that point. That sort of slimy questioning that's designed to put you on edge and not answer because it's clearly a loaded question asking what you just answered, but also make you look guilty for not answering, is one of the worst "journalistic" practices out. People hate Piers Morgan for making it his bread and butter, people only like it here because accusing someone of paedophilia is one of those trial by gut things where people assume the accused is guilty because saying anything else could get the finger pointed at them too, and because we have hindsight. Its like all that JCS true crime interrogations where people think they're geniuses because they're seeing the 1 time in 10 that the answers the questioning are designed to get were supported by evidence.

[@bippythechippy882]

The classic "do your parents know you're gay" tactic

[@krystanoelll]

I hate the fact that Paige felt that she needed to apologize for lying on Lion's behalf. That broke my heart.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

Its sadly common, due to the nature of grooming and suchlike. And there are people who will honestly believe that she is just as much at fault as he is.

[@stopgotdamndeletingmycomme8642]

That was so sad shes got nothing to apologise for that scumbag shud be sorry!

[@stopgotdamndeletingmycomme8642]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 its true especially women blame the child its disgusting.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@stopgotdamndeletingmycomme8642 Its a common predator thing Oh they came to me. Oh they did it. They seduced me. And its like: No. Please go lie down in a ditch and let us forget you ever existed please. And its sad that there are people who buy into that shit.

[@kaaaaaaaaks]

the victim gets blamed in these situations a lot, its happened to me before and it really gets in your head and you believe it really is your fault, especially when its 13-16 since we 'know what we're doing'

[@lilith7955]

I really hate them saying "relationship" because it was not a relationship. She couldn't consent to that with him, it was abuse.

[@Ooffoop]

@David Thee SPARTan is this really the time my dude

[@justin2308]

@@Ooffoop The world is burning as a virus is being spread everywhere and pedophiles are getting uncovered on the Internet that nobody expected, and to top it all off this crud is probably going to last straight into 2021. It’s probably an apocalypse in the making as society gets ready to crumble. At this stage, video game characters coming to life would be only another day to mark on the calendar.

[@dragon_ninja_2186]

@David Thee SPARTan What the hell man? Really? C’mon!

[@Ooffoop]

@@justin2308 damn you really went all out for that

[@sassyalbatross2933]

Facts and his answers were worse honestly, ugh.

[@docdave15]

Colossal: Is water wet? Lion Maker: *sigh* Why, why, must you ask these things? Water can be whatever it wants, it doesn't matter what I think about it. You're asking ,me this question to try and get something out of me that I didn't do! Colossal: So, water is wet?

[@Ilovemelonss]

lm: Do you know what the water is from Adam and Eve? No, so who can say if water is wet?

[@QuiteSpiffing]

​​​@@Ilovemelonssmy god, that whole "you don't know me from Adam and Eve" spiel really pissed me off. If I was in Collosal's shoes I would have likely lost my patience and told LM to shut up. Tf does it even mean? Is this some weird Belgian saying or is it just nonsense he made up in order to sound profound? Edit: I looked it up, it's just some way to say "I don't know you". So I suppose he did use it to sound profound.

[@Worm-revolver]

Is water wet? I know it makes things wet, but is it itself wet? Not to derail your example or comment or whatever. But It's a legitimate question that needs to be answered.

[@jaredbrown3726]

​@@Worm-revolverwater is not wet, it would need to have to be able to be dry for it to be wet, if you were to "dry" water it evaporates

[@th3_r4t_k1ng]

@@jaredbrown3726 but it's not dry either, so what is it?

[@mysticalasduck6514]

the age of consent should mean for 16 year olds being able to give consent to other sixteen year olds, not for 20 somethings to justify their predatory behavior

[@ViperOnRR]

I'm pretty sure it is that way in the UK, not sure about the rest of Europe though

[@LoreleiCatherine]

I don’t know what it’s like elsewhere but here United States, especially in the state of Florida 16 is the age of consent, but not if the other person is over the age of 25. If the person is over the age of 25, they can still be arrested for being a predator.

[@cococock2418]

Finally someone with a fucking brain. Age of consent laws are NOT for 70 year olds. They’re for similar aged teens.

[@hoho3575]

@@ViperOnRR it's not that way in the uk, i "dated" a 30 yo when I was 16 and had police ask me if I was ok a couple of times, but there was nothing they could do about it bc I was over the age of consent

[@Solanin0803]

In Germany it's 14 if both people are under 18 years of age, which is sketchy at times as well.

[@herokingroostyh]

j aubrey: American's The Right Opinion The Right Opinion: England's j aubrey

[@loger_2floofyboogaloo278]

tro is boring tho

[@thechefisacookin]

Spittin

[@MorrisseyMuse]

They're both toxic view shores

[@lesleebelle29]

@@loger_2floofyboogaloo278 they’re two of my favs, strongly disagree 🤷‍♀️

[@atticusvan5874]

@@MorrisseyMuse what do you mean

[@aurellezanou5062]

he says the age of consent in some nations is 14 but fails to clarify that's between teenagers of that age .

[@undercoverbreadbug7729]

my thoughts exactly! that law is completely separate from ones regarding pedophiles

[@helmaschine1885]

EXACTLY! In sweden (legal age 15) there are cases where even an 18 year old can be convicted for sleeping with their still 17 year old girl- or boyfriend if the younger pursues legal action. Peer pressure and manipulation can happen even teen-to-teen. I hate how people don't even bother looking up the actual laws. They just see a legal age to have CONSENSUAL teen-to-teen sex and assume it makes adults taking advantage of teens somehow not a crime.

[@liyre4189]

yeah! in my country the age of consent is 12, but ONLY if the other person is within 2 years older. like a 13 year old can legally have a sexual relationship, but ONLY WITH someone who is within 24 months age of them.

[@witchofcandies3221]

Yea! I’n my country the age of consent is 16 but do you see pedos getting off the hook with getting with a 16 year old?? HELL NO

[@witchofcandies3221]

@Namevor Namenach no parent that deserves children would allow that tho

[@AutobotOrso91296]

You can almost always tell someone's guilt based on how lengthy their response to simple questions are.

[@em_rip]

It’s actually a behavior that detectives acknowledge when they interrogate suspects in crimes. When someone provides a very lengthy answer for a simple question it tends to imply they’re trying to create a more detailed story to help prove their innocence. It’s really interesting

[@whatteamwildcats4033]

the definitive meaning of "me thinks the lady doth protest too much"

[@SahloFolina2161]

@@em_rip Yep. It seems to be accurate quite a few times.

[@goodbye5299]

Yeah. The only way for some of these responses to be normal would be if all or most answers by him, outside of this interrogation, are very lengthy and convoluted. But most responses still suck regardless.

[@callmepoki]

Colossal is so good at interrogation that he gets the answer he wants without ever intimidating him into answering

[@yashumichaels311]

Yeah he gets his questions answered and sometimes even without Lionmaker knowing that he gave an answer with his dodging

[@Amanda-fh5mp]

Actually agreeing with something Keemstar said feels like that Clickhole article titled “Heartbreaking: The Worst Person You Know Just Made A Great Point”

[@BlackDogsAndLadybugs]

A broken clock is right twice a day.

[@Amanda-fh5mp]

BlackDogsAndLadybugs very true!

[@novelle7212]

I know right, I stopped watching drama Alert because his stupidity sometimes heart my head, and for once his voice may annoy me but what he says wont.

[@Pablo-pr4vg]

Blindly hating Keem is so dated at this point the bad he’s done is overcome by the good dude has literally exposed multiple predators on KZbin

[@BlackDogsAndLadybugs]

@@Pablo-pr4vg As much as I get that, he's also very big on false accusations, which ruin innocent people's lives- and eats popcorn while girls talk about their sexual assault like it's just a "wacky cutaway gag" - Ew. I don't hate him because of that COD clip back in the day, or because it's "cool". He's just a prick. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[@tomtomtrent]

Keem’s role in this is like an episode where one of the recurring villains teams up with the heroes to take on an even greater villain

[@Stephanie-pt6vv]

I love those kind of episodes

[@morganqorishchi8181]

It's like that one comic where Harley Quinn beats the shit out of a pedophile and Batman looks the other way, basically.

[@John-Stark]

@@morganqorishchi8181 Didn't see it but why do I hear Bats saying "I have an Oath against Killing, she doesn't"

[@Kylehappy305]

@@morganqorishchi8181 whats the comic called lmao i kinda wanna read it just to see it

[@HGmolotov]

@@Kylehappy305 iirc it was one of the harley and ivy ones, where he shows up at the end to arrest them because they had evidence that they planned to commit a robbery, only to let them go when he sees the aftermath of the beatdown

[@siphonophorespiral]

As someone with borderline personality disorder myself, hearing Lionmaker try to use his own BPD as an excuse is. Gross, to say the least

[@nemaele]

As if we weren't portrayed as abusers enough...

[@llamaczech]

I mean, he wasn't trying to use it as an excuse? Colossal used that admission to build a narrative where Lionmaker did it but wasn't responsible/didn't remember it and try get him to admit to. Then afterwards, when Colossal was saying "you should not work anywhere adjacent to children because mental instability" Lionmaker was saying "BPD doesn't make you "mentally unstable."" Unless you're referring to something that wasn't mentioned in this.

[@peachfang]

@@llamaczech i mean, yeah, lionmaker did say it doesnt make you mentally unstable but hes literally The Bad Guy no ones gonna listen to him lmao

[@llamaniaman4002]

@@llamaczech Did you watch the vide? Colossal asked "Are you mentally unstable?" Lionmaker said "Yes I am." Colossal, without knowing exactlt what makes him mentally unstable, then asks why he would involve himself in communities mainly consisting of children. Suddenly, Lionmaker brings up that he has BPD and tries to frame it as if he initially answered the question saying he had BPD. Which he did not. He was using it as an excuse.

[@zambonibob2026]

Yeah as someone with BPD it also made me feel sick to my stomach.

[@YourPalKindred]

Colossal shoulda been an interrogator. Dude is using every trick in their book and absolutely nailing it on with new questions on the fly.

[@chasehedges6775]

👍

[@P0K30KAM1]

Honestly 😌

[@bunnycostello6780]

You know I really didn’t need to see that Minecraft toes thing

[@sadiemarie322]

I could've gone my entire life never seeing that

[@isolatedalien5696]

Same. Add it to my list of traumatic experiences.

[@proffesionalweredog7426]

the globgogabgalab wants your toes

[@nineteeneightynine432]

Why do pedos and degenerates have to make the foot fetish community look bad smh

[@proffesionalweredog7426]

@@nineteeneightynine432 because the foot fetish community is already gross

[@JRDNRDGRS]

I could have gone my whole life without seeing that clip of oddly detailed Minecraft feet being placed on Minecraft Steve's face.

[@Labyethan]

It made me want to game end

[@freeckotreecko]

That was one of the cursed things I've seen, yet.

[@thepastaprogenitor851]

I had to shield my eyes. It's like the eltrich horors or hp lovecaft I swear

[@danarenee2931]

I was so upset when I realized I could never unsee it

[@TheUnoriginalDrCorgi]

don't worry considering the year you will probs see something worse by the end of the week.

[@feetpolice7135]

The question: is it okay for a 26 year old to date a 14 year old? Every normal person: no, thats illegal, immoral, and disgusting. Lionhumper: this is obviously an extremely nuanced and complicated moral conundrum and also yes as long as its not my sisters

[@zefzima]

Jesus christ that interview. Everytime he sighs he starts employing another manipulation tactic because enough holes got poked in the 'logic' he tries to convey. Mad props to Colossal.

[@seriousnorbo3838]

Lionmaker be like: she's 13, which is close to 14, but 15 is the new 14 so we can round it up to 16 which is just a little below 17 so she's actually 18

[@broisyougobbling]

that EDP445 logic 🤣

[@liambradbury2886]

and the churches logic

[@pennyomega7421]

Or the classic: “no officer she’s just a 5000 year old character that looks like a child”

[@Mel0nCake404]

Or even "I thought she was 18"

[@cs_derrick13]

@@pennyomega7421 “Yes I know she’s technically 5 years old and looks like a kid, but her species ages 6 times faster than humans so she’s really 30!”

[@weirdguy1495]

It's weird to see Keemstar doing actual reporter detective work, not gonna lie.

[@danielhuras617]

It was a different time. Ye Olde 2016.

[@connorhoward4831]

faxxx

[@sambradley9091]

Especially about a pedo, considering that poor old man he wrongly accused

[@jacencade4019]

He has his moments where he stumbles into ethical journalism.

[@belurso5179]

Something something a broken clock

[@nullnull7352]

Colossal: *Makes valid and 100% flawless point* Lionmaker: “Nono you see, thats irrelevant. Now let me explain why it actually is relevant in order to bypass why it is relevant.” This was interesting to listen to, but JESUS CHRIST I wanted to commit scooter-ankle.

[@ChoppaG223]

Nah commit scooter-ankle is gold🤣🤣🤣

[@TheTownNarcoleptic]

I’m so glad someone else is fully aware of how tragic the betrayal of your scooter karate kicking you in the shin as you try and lift it onto the pavement is. My entire family thinks I’m nuts whenever I bring it up

[@savagespider6836]

Scooter ankle lmao

[@bajabl]

All that talking yet said a whole lot of nothing

[@nullnull7352]

@@bajabl Ordered a nothing burger with a side of fries and a L A R G E soda

[@DumplingDave]

Him being unable to villify a relationship between a 16 year old and a 28 year old is one of the best examples of cognitive dissonance, he is incapable of villifying an action that he commited

[@dangelowallaceagain]

the 0.2 seconds of research i was about to do on lionmaker showed me that there was was a lot more than 0.2 seconds of lore, but i didn't know there was THIS much

[@gdth3pr018]

Dangelowallace I love ur vids!!!

[@villainkilla]

HELLO D'ANGELO

[@CarlsCozyCorner]

Honestly if anyone knows about the absolute rabbit hole that is disgusting people on the internet, it's you. Also btw you dropped this thought I'd give it back, as great of a souvenir it might've been: 👑

[@mars4718]

he has his notifs on

[@twice8091]

Hey papi wallace

[@addicted2mako]

All this is bad enough, but asking people to become “CUB-scribers” is a whole different kind of cringe

[@scorpinkhajiit3284]

You have no idea considering that the types of furries that nobody wants use the term “cub” a bit more literally. They get shunned like people who take lolies the same way. It’s too cursed to not have been picked up earlier

[@scorpinkhajiit3284]

@ I mean what community doesn’t? They all have the fucks who want to diddle kids and it’s disgusting wherever you go

[@comedypolicehandsup5141]

@Flower 34 pedophiles belong to the weebs, zoophiles to the furries, and necrophiles to the old-school goths. Truly, degeneracy lies everywhere. Amen.

[@FeralCat123]

@@comedypolicehandsup5141 The sad but honest truth. ⬆️

[@aarontheperson6867]

@@comedypolicehandsup5141 preach brother.

[@rxseypetal]

I remember when I was younger I was a huge fan of his videos. I remember one day my older brother telling me to never watch him again. I never understood why, and I was too scared to ask him. But as I grew up, I now understand the situation with him. And I thank my brother for that reason

[@kaitlyn3168]

Your brother is amazing. Kudos to him.

[@kaileychambers6969]

Wish I would've known this sooner than I did. I stopped watching him cause I lost interest in Minecraft vids for a while, and now I wish I never watched him at all. I feel so bad for being a fan at one point, and I feel so sorry for all his victims, who were about the same age as I was when I watched him. It's a terrifying thought, knowing I watched videos from a predator when I was a child

[@BabyBear046]

As a victim of grooming and abuse who was blamed by my parents instead of protected by them, I continue to struggle to not feel like it was my fault in some capacity. For most of my life, I actually felt like I was fully at fault and that the abuse I was subjected to (the inappropriate relationship, sexual exploitation, blackmail, suicide threats, etc) was some kind of valid consequence that I deserved. It made me feel so worthless and shameful. I also felt responsible for protecting these predators. But seeing KZbinrs I would have looked up to at that age passionately, viciously, and unapologetically call this behavior out as abusive and disgusting and criminal truly helps me. I can’t tell you how much it helps me. It feels so validating. It feels like my inner child finally has someone standing up for her ❤️

[@katiemckinney9456]

I'm so sorry that happened to you. Some people don't deserve the right to call themselves parents. Victim-blaming is always done for a reason. It's how people manipulate those who were hurt by something into staying quiet so that those who perpetrated the act can get away scot-free. Your 'parents' victim-blaming you was just a way for them to put all the fault on you. They didn't protect you, and they didn't want to own up to that, so they tried to make it out like you were the one in the wrong to absolve themselves of blame. You are not in the wrong about what happened to you. You never were. Your 'parents' failed you in every possible way. They, along with those who exploited and hurt you, are the ones to blame. They chose to do what they did knowing full well how it would hurt you. No excuses. You are not at fault for that.

[@kitkatlovey]

He’s like a child rambling to their parents about how he totally didn’t steal anything from the store while holding the stolen item behind his back

[@bigchump8876]

The stolen item being a child

[@footylad6468]

@David thee Spartan lmao yeah right

[@ZomboidMania]

@David thee Spartan shut it

[@carriekeith2266]

He was totally that kid!! 😂😂😂

[@jesuslovesyouandisthewayto1114]

Jesus lord loves you and died for your sins repent and have faith to go to heaven

[@PanicattheDiscourse]

If people 24 and over can cite age of consent laws chapter and verse: seek therapy and leave kids alone.

[@ukaros_ateon]

Isnt that normal? We had these laws in school and the amount of times those things come up on the internet makes it rather hard to forget. I mean i couldnt cite them but paraphrase the fairly well

[@Isabelle-xp7qb]

@@ukaros_ateon it's not... if u're hearing that so often than i'm concerned about your enviroment and the people citing those laws over and over

[@elizabethgatchell4546]

Isabelle, I think they mean that it’s normal to know about age of consent laws, especially about where you live. Like the age of consent where I live is 17, 16 under conditions I can remember... but it is normal by a certain age to know the age of consent law for where you live...

[@Isabelle-xp7qb]

@@elizabethgatchell4546 the only time my school has ever talked about it was during sex ed 10 years ago... And im pretty sure its changed already

[@elizabethgatchell4546]

Isabelle, I’m not really talking about school, it’s just that by 16 it would be understandable or even expected that you know the age of consent for where you live. And considering the amount of times this month a popular KZbinr has been outed as a pedo, and how often they use the “age of consent” excuse, it’s bound that people on the internet would hear about it often, they did mention that they heard it on the internet all the time...

[@Cybermat47]

You can tell things are really bad when Keemstar isn’t the worst person involved.

[@cococock2418]

You need to update your firmware. Keem star never did anything wrong ever. You just got your information from unreliable sources who have revealed themselves to be clowns, such as Ethan (((Klein))), idubbz, etc

[@No-ic8uq]

@@cococock2418 I say by far he's not the worst person on the internet. But he ain't a saint, he did accuse an innocent old man of being a pedophile, which resulted in the man crying on stream. Let's not also forget the time he called someone he was feuding with the n-word, and encouraged his viewers to do the same (although to be fair, this is very old, so may not be a reflection of his current self.)

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

@@No-ic8uqDon’t waste your time pointing out racism with someone who used (((triple parentheses))) which is an anti-semitic dog whistle. Just Google it.

[@daemonspudguy]

​@@cococock2418congratulations on outing yourself as a fucking anti-Semite. Really makes forming an opinion on your claims easier.

[@m3rcmusic]

colossal: *asks reasonable question* lionmaker: *smacks lips and sighs*

[@lowresgamr]

This is the first time I've heard TRO outright yell "Shut the FUCK UP!" he's always so calm and collected.

[@StarsOhMy]

I mean.. he went to anger management therapy when he was younger

[@marlboroprime657]

@@StarsOhMy what

[@toe5964]

@@marlboroprime657 in his q&a

[@tetrafy70]

@@StarsOhMy that's probably WHY he's so calm tbh

[@DinoMiner]

Timestamp if ur wondering ( 1:04:02 )

[@larkandmallow]

This guys whole argument is “I’m a pedophile why won’t you listen to why I don’t like being held accountable” And it’s disgusting.

[@neal2399]

Darkly fascinating, too. How much does one have to warp his own mind to be fully aware of how disgustingly creepy he is, then *still* think of himself as the victim?

[@Altair4611]

@Baxi Tabaxi people can play minecraft if they fucking want to, thats like saying "dont go outside because you might walk by some children and that wierd!!!!" I know tons of older people who play minecraft and it is actually acceptable to say you play minecraft it is only one of the most downloaded games the world has ever seen, you are speaking god damn gibberish

[@user-wj6jh1cd5n]

@Fen Vulpeus yeah I'd say a pretty decent amount are either pedophiles/autistic/both. The most likely being both.

[@_bean_3569]

@@user-wj6jh1cd5n How?

[@user-wj6jh1cd5n]

@@_bean_3569 Weirdos are easily identifiable.

[@flynnfarron]

The fact that Lionmaker flat out says in the interview that he is the ADULT in the situation, but still says he had a relationship with her...my fucking GOD.

[@shirandawilliams]

Him saying "I'm innocent because I'm not behind bars for it" is like someone stealing a Snickers, eating it, and putting the wrapper back and when you accuse them of stealing the Snickers they say "well I'm innocent because I'm not in jail for it"

[@LTD538]

Its not like that, it is that

[@taterinx]

His tip-toeing around Collosal's simple moral questions already says enough

[@ItsRoronoaZoro]

Exactly!!!

[@trooper8624]

“Touching children is disgusting!” 3 seconds later where if he says the same thing it looks bad on him. “Touching children is okay.” This guy only responds when it makes him look good in the moment which only shows that he’s trying to save his image and not actually trying to get the truth. Also he’s banned from the NCR.

[@brieb402]

Exactly. You would think you could give clear concrete answers if you were innocent. Often when you look at police interviews, when you ask guilty people questions that _should_ have simple answers, they tend to go off on long tangents b/c they are psychologically trying to make themselves more believable to those scrutinizing them.

[@trooper8624]

@@bhopmaster319 Nope. Which is why he was arrested. You see the FBI didn’t care about pedophilia or anything, it was the IRS that busted him....

[@liamwelsh4665]

@@trooper8624 because of the line in the law “guilty beyond reasonable doubt” if there is even 1 question mark you can’t convict. But taxes are easy and if they know that you’re guilty but can’t prove it, they’ll just make the tax penalty huge. Al Capone style

[@SunsetEnvy]

His persona is a lion so him being a predator fits pretty well I guess

[@vedantbhard]

and honestly, when you think about it like that, his name for his fanbase is also very creepy. he calls them cubs. he's grooming cubs to become lions themselves and perpetuate the cycle of abuse.

[@AAZ-yu5ss]

It fit’s even more here as despite this perception of Lions being the honorable king of the jungle, they are in fact vicious thieving pricks, known for murdering the Cubs of other lion prides, brutalizing females of their species who do not wish to mate with them, and stealing most of their food from more successful predators like the African wild dogs, Leopards, and ironically enough Hyena’s.

[@EpicGamer-en6mc]

@@AAZ-yu5ss true, spotted hyenas are my favorite and lions are least. They are do overrated and lions don’t live in the jungle so they can’t be king of it

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

@@vedantbhard It also doesn't help that in real life, lion cubs have to be protect from other lions that might come in and take over the pride. Because if other lions do come in and take over the pride, the lions will k1ll the cubs that were father by the old lions, so that the lionesses will mate with them and they can spread their genes.

[@AuxiliaryPanther]

And since people who were sexually abused have a higher tendency to go on to abuse others, lion "maker" has a darker meaning to it.

[@staplegxnn]

Seeing the tweet of panda apologizing made my heart hurt. I wanted to just say to her "never apologize for being manipulated and groomed, you didn't know."

[@cherryordinance2444]

Lawyers go to school for almost a decade to have the skills to determine whether or not evidence fits together well enough or not to argue guilt. Lionmaker is out here pulling a pro gamer move and arguing that the evidence fits together *too well* for him to be guilty.

[@svinjamaria]

Based off of the interview, this kid diddler would be terrible in court

[@monstrosity6738]

Not even Phoenix Wright can defend him

[@SharkieOttark]

He’s talking in circles

[@RealityCheck1993]

I know JCS is somewhere in a dark room drinking hard liquor to this shitshow

[@E.S.H.orthodoxchristian]

Not even Annalise Keating from how to get away with murder could defend him

[@akuos8243]

and even worse in prison

[@shannonlee4622]

"I'm not mentally unstable. I haVE BPD." Dude, as someone who also has bpd, that alone pretty much means you're unstable.

[@jessica74252]

LITERALLY! when i heard him make that comment i rolled my eyes so hard. BPD by definition is mental instability ... like ??? lol

[@jessica74252]

- someone who also has BPD

[@RedZombieAJ]

Since I'm dumb, BPD is Bipolar Depression?

[@EmmaH.Jensen]

@@RedZombieAJ It's Borderline Personality Disorder. I don't think you're dumb though, their acronyms are very similar.

[@vasyamfilm]

@@RedZombieAJ people with bipolar aren’t even stable. I dated someone who was bipolar and they acted so much like this.

[@neonoodle5159]

i love how you introduced colossal into the story like hes the batman of youtube

[@har682]

i think i piss my tv

[@mr.ligertiger]

I love how he says “There’s so much evidence that I did what I did.” he literally admits it on accident and not even colossal noticed lmao

[@chasehedges6775]

💯. Insane

[@dorkmyride]

Put Colossal on a news station and let him loose on every single politician without impunity. That man is a fantastic interviewer.

[@MothFable]

The truth must be known. That is the reason we have free press, and we need more press people like colossal who can discern the truth in a complex situation and give it in easy to digest ways. This kind of reporter could really help deal with bad politicians and spread truth.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

honestly i think one of his best tactics is to just let people talk instead of bombarding them with questions. it rlly shows who they are when theyre ranting

[@LordArikado]

@@iwakeupandboomimarat The thing that makes Colossal so devastating is that he knows exactly when to strike while letting someone talk. That kind of interview/interrogation style is incredibly hard to pull off because you risk taking the Davin Rubin approach of just letting someone spew bullshit unchallenged. Colossal finds every single weak point in his guest's argument and annihilates them with it.

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

@@LordArikado absolutely!! his interview style is amazing and it absolutely blows me away every time i see it

[@tertiaritus]

I wish he was the one holding an interview with Onision

[@mushmush4980]

The fact that her profile picture was that of a cute innocent chibi panda, what most *young girls* tend to have at that age, makes me sick. She shouldn't have had to apologize for this.

[@smashedham6417]

@David Thee SPARTan can u just go away

[@thehelllord4458]

@David Thee SPARTan uh sir, this is an Arby’s

[@musingvagabond]

Right, like thats just the kind of profile picture i had when i was like 11-13.

[@heinoustentacles5719]

@David Thee SPARTan Based

[@nineteeneightynine432]

Yeah ☹

[@eh-reelytel4778]

im honestly impressed that colossal had that much patience, i would have lost my temper at him

[@BabyBear046]

“I’ve always been protective of her” he says as his grossly inappropriate “relationship” (abuse) with her has also resulted in her feeling like she has something to publicly apologize for, and dealing with the fallout of a situation that even an adult would find devastating and overwhelming and life changing. Stealing her childhood. The only childhood she will ever have. She SHOULD be thinking about things like her grades, prom, going to the mall with her pals and talking about who has a crush on who, and simply enjoying the rest of her childhood. Instead she’s had an adult, his desires and issues, and the glare of public scrutiny put on her shoulders. Her apology very clearly shows she feels responsible for this, meanwhile this disgusting man who is actually responsible pretends to be a victim 🤡

[@ry4435]

“do you have a problem with minecraft toes steve?” i never wanted to die more.

[@kylos1999]

Agreed

[@wyattcampbell2077]

IDK if you can snap your own neck but I'm about to find out

[@diaguy]

@@wyattcampbell2077 so how it went?

[@wyattcampbell2077]

@@diaguy sad to say this but, I didn't die

[@diaguy]

@@wyattcampbell2077 don’t worry there’s always next time

[@QWERTYCommander]

I feel so bad for Paige. I hope she's doing okay now. Getting preyed on and groomed as a child is bad enough, but adding in how violent he was? I can't imagine it.

[@LuckerStomp]

It had happened to me before, when I was a bit younger. It affected me a lot, and now I don’t talk anymore. I wish nothing terrible affects her, she still has a whole life ahead of her.

[@CoffinHeartz]

@@LuckerStomp I’m sorry that happened to you I hope you okay now

[@LuckerStomp]

@@CoffinHeartz Thank you, I’m fine as for now

[@TheSlop_18]

I really hope she is ok

[@TheSlop_18]

@@LuckerStomp I hope you are ok God bless you and your family

[@willmiddleton7932]

I love the interview part because you can very clearly tell when Colossal just gets what he wanted out of the interview and completely checks out and let’s that degenerate spin his wheels and dig himself into a deeper hole. The very patronizing and disinterested “yeah” and “mhm’s” are hilarious but Lionmaker never notices because he is so extremely focused on giving this pathetic little speech where he does his best to victimize himself. Pure comedy gold.

[@sooploopz]

Colossal's interview skills deserve to be praised on JCS Criminology for real. The way Lion goes through the whole woe is me act just really irked me.

[@KittyKat365dayz]

his whole argument was “no, LISTEN TO ME” then proceeding to talk about something completely unrelated to avoid the question, as well as blaming other people

[@meganz020]

Manipulation 101, he’s disgusting.

[@noahfince616]

Bts

[@sophiepollak9514]

It's like if you asked someone why they didn't like jelly and they said, "You know why? My great-grandmother was allergic to peanuts. She DIED eating peanut butter. I've had to live my life with this, and it's been hard knowing that I may one day have peanut allergy symptoms." Something kinda vaguely connected to the question, but spirals out of control into a sob story for a different topic.

[@keira7179]

i completely agree with you. he contradicts every single thing he says.

[@FPSGamer48]

Sounds like he was acting exactly like how Colossus characterized him: A King of Manipulation, although I’d argue he’s more of a Court Jester of Manipulation in terms of execution.

[@notareptilianiswear.6600]

Colossal is a thorough and ruthless investigator. He may be a 1,000 year old man but he’s got a sharp mind. I just wish he’d stop vanishing like all the father figures in my life.

[@YOUAreTheSecretToLife]

🤣

[@Joostmhw]

Just because you blink doesn't mean people dissapear

[@DieKleineMimose]

Do you need a hug? Here goes. 🤗🫂

[@murdermitts8271]

This comment took me through a rollercoaster of emotions and various levels of confusion 😂

[@aquablue1252]

I’m confused is that sarcasm lol isn’t he 36? I’m 34 maybe too old to get the joke

[@gunslingerproductions6367]

What a way to begin such a legendary documentary: "So, there's an indie game called Among Us."

[@ChemiWhemi]

Colossal is so fucking good at what he does. This was SCATHING. Get his ass.

[@ChemiWhemi]

The way he also says, “it’s a very simple question” 🔥🔥🔥

[@graceg.6040]

paige's tweet saying that she was sorry breaks my fuckin heart

[@GenetMJF]

@Shade Wolf exactly. She is a victim.

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

@@GenetMJF Why?

[@emsucksd]

@@davidarvingumazon5024 dude, did you not watch the video?

[@davidarvingumazon5024]

@@emsucksd No, reading the comments before watching xD

[@emsucksd]

@@davidarvingumazon5024 oh lmao

[@sophiah3855]

that toe video took 10 years off my lifespan wtf

[@nothappeningmate9402]

I lost 5 years for each toe

[@_s-p-e-c-t-r-a_music_]

It even had the fucking globglogabgalab

[@Foxhunter258]

*internal screaming*

[@t1sd3d]

He has literal porn on his channel

[@fast1nakus]

I wtf'ed out loud

[@Satnanat]

"You thought i was going to take your side." Lion's silence after that says everything i think

[@yellobb3848]

God, Paige’s apology breaks my heart. The fact that he manipulated her into thinking any of this was her fault is beyond awful

[@Sasha-ff5ce]

It’s disgusting to see him claim that he was protecting Paige when he posted her nudes on Twitter

[@JennaLeigh]

Right? I kept muttering "make it make sense" to myself.😡

[@RobotPilots]

That therapy session was even worse. It's so obvious he geniunely doesn't care but he's so phony.

[@jakehyams8659]

That was the mysterious hacker to be fair

[@perseusnova]

colossal deserves seriously major props, the way he interrogated lionmaker was done so well that without it i bet lionmaker would've weaseled his way out of the situation.

[@MissingmyBabbu]

Honestly, that interview was infuriating to watch. I'm grateful for it existing, because it really did put the nail in the coffin for lionmaker, but MAN. There were times when I wanted to throttle him through the screen. Like, huge chunks of time where he just rambled and ranted about shit that had nothing to do with the question, and then he'd get irritated when clown would just 'ok so now that you're done, let's actually answer what I asked'. Just...UGH.

[@hulkingmass]

Yeah he has really good philosophical instincts and knows his way around an argument. I actually thought TRO didn't do his line of argumentation justice. After colossal reframed the question to be about a hypothetical relationship between himself and a 16 year old, and asked LM for a judgment on that, the reason LM refused to answer is because colossal backed him into a corner in which either answer would undermine his position: If LM said it WASNT messed up, then he would be exhibiting moral deviance by having that opinion. If LM said it WAS messed up, he would be admitting to being morally deviant by having done the thing in question himself. It was a really good line of argumentation by colossal. It was where colossal won the argument, and that's how he won it. If you watch the original video colossal opens the video with this specific interaction for that reason. I like TRO but sometimes he indulges too much in the tiny details.

[@trustthesauce]

@@MissingmyBabbu For real dude, this man is infuriating af. He couldn't just answer the damn question directly and had to go on and on about some unrelated shit before he finally gave an answer that still had nothing to do with the question

[@yesterdayitrained]

@@MissingmyBabbu Colossal redirects back his original question over and over. That takes a lot of persistence and quite bit of patience- considering that in every one of his initial replies to Colossal’s questions, Lionmaker *refused* to provide a direct answer. I think I’d have lost my mind and just given up.

[@MissingmyBabbu]

@@yesterdayitrained I feel like some sort of deity or saint of patience had to have possessed Colossal, because I don't know a single person who could have done that interview so calmly. I imagine a lot of it was just Colossal giving Lion more rope to hang himself with- because WOW. I can see no other reason he'd sit there listening to drivel for so long. And then to ask the perfect hypothetical to corner Lion later. There was no answer he could give there where he came out looking good. If it was wrong for Clown to be with a teen girl, Lion was wrong for it. If it's fine to Lion, well he looks like a gross scumbag. And then he tried to play the 'well the context tho' game, and just grabbed a drill to dig at the rock bottom position he'd gotten into.

[@lucasball7173]

I used to watch lion maker religiously. I found his channel in July 2014 and he was my favourite mine craft KZbinr. When the allegations came out in September 2015 I was only 9 and didn’t really understand what he was being accused of so I carried on watching his videos. In December 2015 my mum who had become concerned about the amount of mine craft KZbinrs being accused of pedophilla banned me from watching him but didn’t explain why other than saying “I don’t think he’s a good man” she unsubscribed me from his channel and was making sure I wasn’t viewing his videos. I remember watching the interview by colossal in November 2016 and after doing it I asked my mum what lion maker had done. She explained in a way which was appropriate for a 10 year old to hear but i got the jist. It’s horrifying to think that I used to look up to him.

[@ProfTricky3168]

I feel bad for Stampylongnose, 2 of his friends turns out to be Child Predictors. The other one is Leo

[@orionarclight]

Maybe he's the one that hasn't been caught

[@LTD538]

@@orionarclight noooooo

[@gummilatte1618]

@@orionarclight well that’s dark

[@joyeeverett6196]

Wait, Leo as in LeeBear? Or?

[@SageFaze]

Yep, even LeeBear.

[@bootyman20]

dude i had a classmate years back say "oh yeah my older sister (who would've been 13-14 at the time) is lionmaker's girlfriend." and I was like "yeah sure she is" but now looking back on it she may well have been one of his victims and i just walked straight by an entire controversy.

[@LTD538]

Probably a lie the classmate told, but its still fucking disgusting that I have to use the word “probably”

[@lisahenry20]

@@LTD538 hopefully a lie

[@soundwave6366]

@@LTD538 I pray that the percentage of that statement being true is very VERY low.

[@jamiekamihachi3135]

He could be lying… but it says a lot that now we have to consider it might be true.

[@eagletgriff]

@@soundwave6366 scary that the chance is not zero

[@supermariomaniac_]

“Slightly more fierce looking Kitty Cat” Dear God Stampy predicted the future

[@tiffany15O5]

stampy is a treasure

[@Daniel-yz5qj]

@@tiffany15O5 true

[@itzrainy_outside4450]

Well he DOES have a time machine, But really, damnn

[@snowybunnu]

Bruuuuuhhhhh I didn’t know it was THAT lionmaker that was invited to Stampy’s world..It’s wild cause I remember watching that video too oooohhh booyy who woulda thought

[@elizabethgatchell4546]

I will flip a table if it comes out that Stamy did smth bad...

[@yesterdayitrained]

45:04 TRO’s comment here is spot on- I don’t think I’ve ever watched a more frustrating exchange. Or listened to so many, many, many words strung together in a more meaningless manner. And the “people are making accusations but no one is accusing me” is one of the most bizarre, illogical, and ridiculous statements I’ve ever heard.

[@wa6488]

This is why we love TRO

[@LilerArt]

Lionmaker doing his Colossal impression and repeating some of the points Colossal had said earlier, trying to 'get Collosal somehow on what he thinks are technicalities, while Colossal just goes "yeah pretty good points" cracked me up.

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Lionmaker repeated the whole sequence in dismissive tone thinking that Colossal would be embarassed. Colossal just reaffirmed it calmly and made Lionmaker squirm in his chair. It's gaslighting that might work on children and impressionable people, so it makes Lionmaker look like the manipulator that he is. 55:00

[@froggy5748]

i feel so bad for paige. she’s just a child, she didn’t deserve any of that shit.

[@cherrytries2922]

And she felt the need to say sorry for being abused and groomed :(

[@iwakeupandboomimarat]

her apology for 'lying' broke my heart

[@rydz656]

That clout chaser got what she was looking for.

[@fuckknuckles9376]

@@rydz656 Bruh take it down a notch she's a kid. You don't sound cool you just sound like a loser

[@jetmcgee4218]

@@rydz656 this is simply edge-tastic and I'd like to talk to your parents

[@haloninjax542]

Man i feel weird listening to keemstar and going "shit he's making a lot of sense"

[@unfunnymeme2570]

I know! I almost forgot I was listening to Keem for a bit.

[@user-cq3qf9dm7e]

you know he’s not actually that much of a douchebag, right?

[@haloninjax542]

@@user-cq3qf9dm7e He might not be but I don't plan on watching him to change my opinion. He's nowhere near hitler but I probably wouldn't want to be stuck in an elevator with him if that clarifies.

[@bluecayser1498]

@@haloninjax542 he can be a good source but he's still the bastard of the internet

[@XxXMrSisterFisterXxX]

@@user-cq3qf9dm7e how? he only does nice things for people on camera, and reminds them of it at every opportunity. he couldn't even resist glorifying himself as the good guy at someone else's intervention saying keem's not _that much_ of a douchebag, just because he isn't a douche *all* the time, is like saying Jeffery Dahmer wasn't _that much_ of a murderer because he slept at night

[@Bollthorn]

Hmmm... sex scandals involving minors, blatantly lies during interviews, and avoids answering questions by talking bollocks, giving non-answers, talking in circles, and changing the goal posts when he can't refute a point. Are we sure this guy isn't a politician?

[@LuizAlexPhoenix]

Why become a politician when you can become a minecrafter. The former needs decades to get access to so much power. Plus, he was always going to waste it anyway.

[@Luxsuss]

Oh dear lord. Colossal’s “mh-hm” at 23:42 was amazing. He clearly didn’t believe him at all

[@RavensRift]

I think you missed that Suzie was the one that had picked up the conversion by the time he asked her for nudes. It says in the article, that when Lion had told her daughter to not tell anyone about the conversion, the daughter told her mother (Suzie) based off what she was taught, and Suzie had started talking to him through her daughters account and Lion didn't believe that he was talking to her mother. Just feel you mischaracterized her quite a bit, when based of the article cited (6:46) , she had actually taught her daughter quite well about online safety, enough to where her daughter was aware of a bad situation and went to an adult immediately. I feel she handled teaching her daughter quite well, teens should be able to have privacy and parents should be able to trust that they have taught their kids enough for them to make good judgments on their own accord. Also, as for her speaking, English probably ain't her first language. I could be wrong but doesn't the family live in Sweden???

[@PlayerTenji95]

Yeah, this seems way more plausible. Thank you for the additional context, by the way.

[@reveriegirl]

Thank you for the additional context! It's appreciated :)

[@lunasmith2568]

Yea I felt a bit uncomfortable when he was making fun of her speaking. Just because I feel bad for her, it's obvious English isn't her first language and she's trying her best!

[@haleyselene]

I mean.... She still knew that a 27 year-old who was her child's hero was texting her and allowed it... And believing LionMaker when he said "oh, I got hacked". I think she did well handling it once it got out of hand, but I think jaubrey's points are valid.

[@RavensRift]

@@haleyselene It's not like we can all just always assume everyone has bad intentions. She was there when her daughter joined the group and clearly her daughter was capable of recognizing danger. Also, i don't think she bought that he was hacked. I mean, she did go to the police with the info. It just wasn't that strong because it was just messages and there was no way of proving he was the one who sent any of it.

[@rowangarriock608]

UK here. I HATE that he used the 16 year consent law to justify his actions. Yes the age of consent is 16. No one 18+ dates 16 year olds. It's creepy and comes off as grooming. That lower consent law is more for the 16-18 range as they transition into "adult life" being allowed to leave school, get full-time work, and sign legal papers. NOT for creeps to groom children. Just because it's "legal" doesn't mean you aren't perverted.

[@samueld9087]

I was under the impression that it’s still illegal for an over-18 to have sex with an under-18, even if said under-18 is over 16, under British paedophilia law (or whatever law that comes under). In a normal relationship, say a 17-year-old with an 18-year-old, in the same year at school or whatever, that crosses the boundary, you’d simply never be prosecuted because it wouldn’t be in the public interest, even though it’s technically illegal.

[@GOFFBITZH666]

I thought the whole 16 years old thing was more of a Romeo and Juliet law, OOF.

[@lunix3259]

They do this in Japan too, the age of consent is 14? Like wtf

[@smee6969]

@@samueld9087 It isn't this way in the UK, its legal whatever age over 16. But there are places with laws like this too.

[@samueld9087]

@@smee6969what I said previously was based on what I have always been told, including in sex-ed. That said, I may well be wrong, but it doesn’t change the fact that in a normal relationship, regardless of actual legality, prosecution would be highly unlikely, due to the lack of public benefit in prosecuting an 18-year-old for being in a relationship with a 17-year-old. A 20+ year-old dating a 16-year-old is hella questionable, though, even if it’s legal.

[@tenta9876]

Jesus christ, Colossal feels so scary, props to that guy for using his scariness for good.

[@CinnamonFudge2229]

Massive W to Colossal. Went in with some major question lines, and called this creep out for what he is.

[@mangobutter9407]

“Slightly more fierce looking kitty cat” Stampy was so pure... it’s painful. He just wanted to help out his friend :(

[@exquisitecorpse__]

@David Thee SPARTan go away

[@lanaoglesby7963]

Time stamp?

[@ry4435]

@@lanaoglesby7963 3:23

[@bubs3288]

@@exquisitecorpse__ no it’s funny

[@rebbecawitt581]

Stampy is the purest KZbinr

[@kitkelley6775]

imagine using bpd as an excuse to groom children...

[@sebafilm223]

yea i mean having bpd sucks dick but if he knows he has it he should be going to therapy regularly and be learning to cope with his mental health issues and not be texting children instead

[@catmadigan7763]

I’m this guy’s age now, and I’m proud to say that I’ve gone all my life without molesting kids despite having BPD. Hope he enjoys prison.

[@clowntown3]

It's disgraceful to other people with BPD

[@kaptainkibiroproductions45]

Mental illness and autism fucked with/continues to fuck with my social life and I did dumb shit in high school (so a few years ago since I just turned 19 last week) but I never groomed any kids and hearing people use mental shit as an excuse for something so severe and disgusting always bothers me.

[@id10cyy]

as an autistic person, i have no right to speak on the behalf of people with bpd but i can say: MENTAL ILLNESS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO DO CRAP LIKE THIS.

[@CheckeredLemonaid]

Paige is so strong coming out with this and i know this video is from last year but i wanted to comment. She was so strong for this and much more concise then whatever Lion was trying to say. She knew her events quite well and she memorized all the times it’s honestly impressive and upsetting that it effected her so much in her life that all the dates are planted in her head.

[@catears_jpg577]

everytime jaubrey and the right opinion collab, the amount of serotonin i get can not be quantified.

[@mia-lc2om]

actually tho

[@catears_jpg577]

got here in the first 20 minutes and throughly enjoyed this. can’t wait for what you do next.

[@nman551]

Same

[@L0RDK3Y]

j’aubrey

[@catears_jpg577]

@@L0RDK3Y i type / pronounce it how TRO does because i found his channel through TRO

[@anxietyirl]

the fact that he called his fans "cubs" when everyone who's even looked at the furry community knows what that means, its disgusting 🤢 edit: please read the below comments b4 asking what a cub is to furries, its really draining to have to keep explaining it when the information is right there

[@CadenProulx]

oh HELL no

[@lexirex97]

He's making lions 😷 talk about hiding in plain sight

[@NotAnotherKuromi]

What does a cub mean in the fury community & do you think it's related? I only know if it's meaning in gay slang.

[@anxietyirl]

@@NotAnotherKuromi a furry is someone who enjoys content of anthro animals i.e. lion king, stampy's lovely world, etc. which as a whole isn't a bad thing but "cub" is effectively the CP of this community as a bi man im kinda horrified to hear that, please tell me it doesn't mean the same thing and has something to do with bears

[@anxietyirl]

@@NotAnotherKuromi lionmaker uses an anthro lion as his mascot which is a tell that he probably knew what it means especially given his age and the situation

[@ParadigmDreamspace]

Colossal is Crazy is one of the most brutal KZbinrs out there and without him, Lionmaker might still be doing his thing.

[@ThrashMetallix]

Why would his false alibi be that he was in jail? That's a horrible alibi to make up. That's like saying, "I didn't murder your sister, I was too busy beating my wife."

[@veganssuck2155]

hes hoping by admitting to a lesser wrong it will make him more believable

[@xcape4734]

The Minecraft toes video was the worst thing to happen to humanity

[@panicoutbytheromancepilotb513]

Let me introduce to you 2020

[@PwnageSoldier]

He has much worse than that, trust me.

[@MachineHandler]

@@PwnageSoldier I remember the "Needed in Minecraft" videos. Needless to say I wasn't the same after the 2nd video.

[@ArthropodJay]

@Withnail same.

[@gamemations5066]

@Sam Paget damn

[@fuzzyslippersyt]

Ugh I hate hearing Lionmaker talk. He's trying to sound so intellectual and use big words to take the high ground, and just end ups making run on sentences.

[@legos710]

The way he talks reminds me of myself writing essays and trying to sound more smart and using bigger words to write less

[@blairhemlock2272]

the way he pronounces his T's makes my teeth itch

[@6thwilbury2331]

+1,000. Also a lot of malapropisms, too. "You don't know me from Adam and Eve," "cognitiveness," "specificness." I think I heard "it just snowball effected out of control." And instead of "for the life of me," he says "in the like that I live now." All consistent with someone who wants to sound smarter (and thus, more trustworthy) than he actually is.

[@watchyourprofanity8032]

@@blairhemlock2272 omg I thought I was the onyly one, I think it's his accent

[@Soph_Hockey209]

He sounds and looks like a drug dealer

[@clifflynch4159]

It's creepy to see him use the tactics you knew he used to manipulate children thinking it will work on a grown man

[@laughingmask3118]

The brilliance of the interview is how he did exactly what Keemstar did but it wasn't defamation because it was all questions being directed at a man who in spite of himself couldn't help but prove his own guilt. Marvelous

[@drew2046]

Is no one going to talk about how amazing of a cop Colossal would make with that minefield he laid on the interrogation

[@bannedfor30daysonfacebook41]

Ikr i was thinkin the same thing, nice first name btw

[@TheSlop_18]

Ikr

[@ghostboi1413]

Him and the dark knight would get along great

[@ghostboi1413]

They’d make a cool team

[@satanworshipperandoveralle4937]

factual statement, i would watch a colossal movie about him as a cop

[@faz7719]

"age is just a number" Prison is just a place.

[@notseenontv4819]

A cell is just a room

[@nattyism]

an electric chair is just a really big chair full of static electricity

[@sorosaltgaming]

Lmao

[@gaminggaming-tg8ut]

You know what else is a number 911

[@unfunnyjoke3806]

no age IS just a number as long as its not under 18

[@somethingnew7873]

Poor Stampy, it feels like people kept using him as a way to gain popularity with child audiences... He's the most wholesome minecraft youtuber I ever watched and to see predators take advantage of his wholesome nature is downright deplorable. The fact they not only groomed kids but tricked an innocent man just trying to make wholesome content makes this a billion times worse.

[@custardpup6385]

I've never heard of this Colossal guy but fair fucking play to him, he made Lionmaker squirm in his seat, left him speechless. Exactly what a good interrogation should do.

[@fabusquish.undercover]

Damn Colossal straight up police interrogated him and Lionmaker replied with "its a conspiracy" lol

[@bluecayser1498]

Colossal: "YOU POSTED HER ASSHOLE ON YOUR TWITTER!!" Lionmaker: " Huh?"

[@MadeOfConfusion]

He was so infuriating to listen to, he made politicians sound like they answer questions directly 😭

[@gdbluefirre6749]

As someone from Belgium, I apologise for the dumbass that we created that we call lionmaker

[@Emilythematerialgurl]

@@gdbluefirre6749 its not your fault

[@yuihidegigauchu0069]

@@gdbluefirre6749 wasnt he like, born to american(?) parents in brazil, and only then emigrated to belgium or something

[@enk335]

as a victim of grooming myself, venting about mental health issues is an extremely common tactic among pedophiles. We should teach kids that that kind of behavior is absolutely inappropriate, that they are not obligated to comfort an adult, and that adults only seek help from other adults.

[@jamillatorres7226]

Heck, I'm pretty sure the adult should be comforting the kid

[@jamillatorres7226]

Also I hope you're happier now

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Absolutely. Adults should not be traumadumping to children.

[@sarahamira5732]

Yup, I don't know how many time I've heard of kids almost cutting contact because they're begining to feel really uncomfortable only for the shitbag to hit them with "I'm so depressed 🥺" "your the only person who cares about me" "honestly without you I would probably kms". Just garbage manipulating the inherent empathy of CHILDREN.

[@Bettersucksaul]

@@sarahamira5732 I knew someone who did this to young girls and then laugh to rest of us about how manipulative he was and how he had them around his finger.

[@chesuspeen4677]

The best kind of collabs are the ones where you get two videos in one.

[@gothfox13]

Rewatching this and realizing the way lion maker acts is just like Colline/Maranda Sings.

[@LIVEMETRIX187]

NAH I SAW THAT TOO 😭 THEY BOTH LOVE TO GASLIGHT.