Jay Dyer's Inner Circle EXPOSED by Former Dyerite

[@JosephSciambra]

I was raped by a Catholic priest when I was a boy. You know who apologized to me? Not a Catholic bishop. An Orthodox priest - who had nothing to do with it.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Hey Joseph. As I told you before, I have dealt with a lot from clergy so I can sympathize but this kind of comment that you offer here eventually runs out of gas. Plenty of Orthodox haven’t apologized for things they have done and plenty of Catholics have. I can point you to sex abuse scandals all over Orthodoxy. This doesn’t really determine where the truth is - it just shows where sin is. So while I can sympathize I really want to encourage you to drop the rhetoric and stick to the issues objectively. If I can help you work through these issues in any way - please let me know.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@Rana yeah, that is my point. Again, it shows where sin is but it doesn’t show where the fullness of Christ’s church is or isn’t. That is why random comments like these that have NOTHING to do with the subject matter of this video have ran out of gas for me - even if I can sympathize. But that only goes so far.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@Rana I realized he is trolling. He copied same comment and pasted it on another one of my videos.

[@stephenroe2133]

Hey Joseph, have you reported him to the police? Have you went to the Archdiocese where it has occured and reported him?

[@stephenroe2133]

@@YiriUbic3793 Did he ever report the abuse to both the police, and to the Archdiocese for there to be a proper investigation? The Church has a zero tolerance policy in place,, and all Credible allegations are looked in cooperation with police.

[@tamagotchidoctor5207]

You hit the nail on the head at 25:30 about how the Catholic Clergy have overlooked the disturbing online rhetoric. Some coming from so called Catholics.

[@ReasonandTheology]

yep

[@ChristianHagood]

Dont know much about the Dyer fellow but seems pretty feminine and gossipy to make videos criticising others character. Either debate him with superior arguements or all you are doing is gossiping mate. I'm not mad at you, just dissapointed.

[@signumcrucis4172]

This is not about theology but Jay being at odds with the Gospel.

[@ChristianHagood]

@@CatholicismAppreciator How does making a video bashing him stop his behavior?

[@ChristianHagood]

@@signumcrucis4172 Ah yes because claiming someone is or isn't living according to the gospel while they claim they are is in no way related to theology.

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@ChristianHagood yes it isn't. Fighting over theology to the point you curse others and threaten them with doxing is contrary to the gospel. Lofton's feud with Jay may look like he is doing it out of spite but the article speaks for itself and Michael is using his channel to give the article more audience. For once, I wouldn't have read it if I hadn't seen him share it.

[@Sterkop3]

@@signumcrucis4172 Your pope is at odds with the Gospel.

[@ChristianEditVideos]

I am an Orthodox Christian in process of depoisoning myself and converting to Catholicism. I can easily agree with all of these points. Becoming Orthodox in the first place rather than becoming Catholic was a huge mistake and waste of time.

[@billcynic1815]

21:06 Frankly, this doesn't add up. I have no knowledge of this e-drama outside of this letter, but the author presents this situation as if he simply wanted to get out of the situation and Jay, with no provocation, followed and doxed him just because he wanted to withdraw some articles from PF. The message from Jay some weeks later gives two options: either a) stop and leave "us and me out of your bs" or b) he will livestream and read the email. Question: leave Jay and them out of what? What is the "bs" that Jay is referring to? The way he presents it, they were mulling over his email for weeks and then out of the blue doxed and threatened him? Forgive me if I think the author may not be the innocent bully victim thay he portrays himself as, his only crime going along with Jay for too long. It's not just that moment; the article is full of strange and questionable aspects, (e.g. a lot of guilt by association). He's decrying mudslinging while himself engaging, and reading between the lines it sounds like he started it against Jay. You want to strike against him? Fine. But don't act like you didn't swing the first blow and act shocked and indignant when he responds, as if it came out of nowhere.

[@carlpittenger]

none of it passes the sniff test. i loled at the "this isn't actually a condemnation" part. what nonsense

[@rainbowsprankles6085]

The first charge against dyer is mudslinging yet this entire video is mudslinging. “I call him lord of the flies” etc. Most of the claims in this video are given without evidence. “I’ve seen his DMs and he sounds like a cult leader” Ok, show them…

[@signumcrucis4172]

The article in question is in the description, did you even read it?

[@rainbowsprankles6085]

@@signumcrucis4172 Im not disputing claims in the article but rather critiquing aspects of this video that don’t directly reference the article….did you…read my comment lol

[@jablank3180]

This “Noah Jefferson” of Rural Canada, home schooled until off to college. “Most of my interaction with Orthodoxy was online & primarily digital, I was motivated seek out a church in “real life” and I do a few times but the travel distance was too great.” Salvation ain’t worth going that far! “Thus, the internet continued to be my catechist for quiet sometime.” Wow, Where and what did he study in college? Master of Theological Studies with a Concentration in Orthodox and Eastern Christian Studies from Trinity College, University of Toronto!!! So, on his way to a bachelor in theology, he comes to the conclusion orthodoxy is the true church, gets his bachelors then proceeds to get a masters in the study of the church theology that he believes is the path to Salvation. For the simple fact that most WARS in history are fought freedom of religious choice, allegedly the pilgrims set sail on the Mayflower seeking a place to worship god in their tradition or belief. This “Noah” “Jefferson”, went 4(?) getting a bachelor’s degree & claiming what to most is a critical discovery life changing moment, & would be not the 2nd or 4th most important decision or change. Instead after all this enlightenment, he goes or stays where there is no church! Thus Noah Jefferson’s is fake name given to the fake user name who purposefully tried to create discord & chaos in in the discord.. The problem is how can he have so much church knowledge but at the same time not be know or claim to be so far away no one will physically check.. Problem is a person going through that sort of transition runs towards real life community & support of the church, not back to isolation empty of the worship & teaching of truth you claim you desire.

[@noiceman]

@@signumcrucis4172 I did. In full. It's nothing but vagaries. Did you even read it? And I'm by no means a Jay fanatic. I came to Orthodoxy before coming in contact with Jay's work.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

Did you put the effort jay did by reading hundreds of scholarly books on the truth of conspiracies . Have you read the book by caroll Quigley No you didn't instead you need to just dismiss all conspiracies. Your an npc

[@SubManifest]

I’ve read ‘Tragedy and Hope’, after listening to Dyer’s lectures on the books, and although he correctly states the facts and contents of the book, I don’t alway agree with some of his conclusions.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

@@SubManifest because it makes you uncomfortable to recognize that all the elites are evil and they don't give damn about you. You will feel powerless and like your living in a prisoner. You think the elites are similar to you. They have the power to control the future and you think they won't use it. These sick plans give them meaning. And Quigley can't reveal certain things. There is definitely a large conspiracy for things in the world to go the way they are going. It's similar to athiests who can't believe in GOD

[@goblin6587]

Bro is an Alex Jones co host. You think sandy hook is one of these conspiracies?

[@naikhanomtom7552]

What people label right wing conspiracy is just truth. His political analysis is always fact based and bang on and his theology patristic. His personality might rub some up the wrong way but his content is spot on.

[@thenowchurch6419]

If a professed follower of Christ does not display the fruit of the Spirit but instead regularly displays the opposite, then anything he teaches becomes suspect and dishonors the Gospel.

[@naikhanomtom7552]

@@thenowchurch6419 what has he done wrong exactly? Some of the church fathers were far more 'mean' to others than Jay is.

[@thenowchurch6419]

@@naikhanomtom7552 Do you need an actual reference to a video of his? It is generally acknowledged that Jay is cocky, extremely condescending and narcissistic. He also puts out inaccurate information boldly. Can you give me an example of a church father who displayed all those qualities?

[@Timic83tc]

Chosen people making Fedora memes 15 years ago to push everyone into 3 skydaddy camps.

[@noiceman]

@@thenowchurch6419 "Can you give me an example of a church father who displayed all those qualities?" These same criticisms can (and were) leveled against John Crysostom. Now, regarding "inaccurate information boldly," I have never seen any example of this from Jay. But I'm not a Jay fanatic and haven't consumed all of his content, so maybe I'm mistaken. Also, I read the entire article from Noah and quite frankly I don't have a clue what problem Noah actually has with Jay other than the fact he's "arrogant, mean, and a conspiracy theorist." Sounds like Noah is upset because Jay doesn't like him anymore. Ft. Peter is demonstrably wrong about his ecumenism and his pro-Covid lock-down stance, and should be called out for this. So, I agree with Jay on that.

[@SpritMatterMan]

Jay Dyer is a modern day American hero trying to wake people up to the true spiritual conspiracy against humankind. Haters are just going to hate. You are just a troll trying to get views and attacking Jay brings in the views. Pretty sad!!!

[@Joliebebe2001]

'Bringing the views " is more important than the truth?

[@bambbambboyguy123]

Just say you’re soft

[@ericcastleman2]

The PM from Dyer to the author of this piece is almost 1:1 with what he told me after I turned in Deacon Ananias to the church for attempted theft of a mission parish here in Montana. I’ve known Dyer since 2008 and never trusted him, but am shocked that anyone can’t see through his clearly unstable activities. He’s always been this way.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Can you speak more about this?

[@ericcastleman2]

@@ReasonandTheology For sure, but it is a long story so this is just the highlights. -Met Dyer in 2008 when I was in the process of becoming Catholic. Through the online apologetic community I ended going Orthodox - Perry Robinson sponsored me into the church. Through him, I met Deacon Ananias in Southern California in 2015. - Deacon Ananias was a completely different person back then, but due to issues in his life he became somewhat radicalized, and Perry and others started to distance themselves while remaining friendly. - My family and I moved to Montana after spending 10 or so years planning it, and Deacon Ananias announced he was also moving to Montana (this was during covid) and ended up moving to the same town as us within a week of our arrival. - I got to know DA much better here, and it wasn't good. Far out conspiracies, racist jokes, racist rants, and extreme far right ideas told me to keep my distance. I also felt he needed to separate from Dyer and focus on Orthodoxy and his dream of becoming a priest in the Orthodox Church, which I told him would ruin any chances he had of becoming a priest. He didn't listen. - They are users, so I was placed in a double bind. I either shut my mouth and distance myself, and allow DA to use my name in the local parish for credibility (he drops names to bloat his reputation) OR I confront him and become an enemy, and he and Dyer would try to dox me (like they ended up doing) - At some point he made a major misstep in front of the reader in the local parish when the conversation about Orthodoxy and minorities in America came up, when he said "Orthodoxy does not want any n****rs" (this is what the reader told me happened) to which DA was reported to the overseeing priest of the mission and immediately withdrawn as a candidate for priest. (Just like I told him would happen) - I had continued to stay out of it and away from the controversy, but the breaking point for me was when he texted me the details of a meeting he had put together with the parishioners of mission parish without the knowledge of the overseeing priest. The goal was to take the mission parish away from the OCA and place them under the Serbs, with the end goal of DA becoming the priest. - I turned over the texts to the priest for the basic reason that DA was dropping my name as in agreement with his actions to help bolster his case to others. This situation was quite a serious one, and I wanted no part in it. - I was messaged by Dyer as a "subverter" and that I was aiding the LGBT movement in Orthodoxy. Dyer's followers were told I was a CIA operative, which to me is quite a dangerous claim since his followers actually believe that sort of stuff and they are filling the Orthodox churches in America. -There is a lot more to the story, such as the odd creation of Patristic Faith - DA's employment at the local Catholic college - Dyer's reasons for affiliating with DA. Anywho, I can clarify any of these points if you'd like.

[@dianekamer8341]

@@ericcastleman2 He calls *everyone* a CIA operative, it seems!

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@ericcastleman2 I’m familiar with much of this and it is good to hear it corroborated. Will you come on the show to discuss? Email me [e-mail] if interested.

[@TropicalGardeningCyprus]

@@ericcastleman2 is he really a racist? Are you certain? That would be very, very sad, I hope he is not, I hope you're mistaken.

[@Norffcchippy]

Dyers group of attack dogs are most uncharitable. I have attempted to respectfully dialogue with them on Discord numerous times only to say something factual which invariably leads to dogpiling and a ban because they can't handle it, very fragile. Suffice to say this killed any of my friendly notions towards them. It wasn't even Dyer himself but rather the attitude his followers. Mind you I was inquiring into Orthodoxy this whole time, now I am firmly remaining in Rome.

[@anima6035]

I got banned from his yt live chat just a few days ago! I made a (genuinely warm hearted) joke about how long we were waiting for him to go live and boom. Banished 😂

[@AdolfSchicklegruber]

Don’t give up on orthodoxy just because of some poor representatives. Frank is not worth your loyalty and you still have a host of problems and inconsistencies in Catholicism that are not in Orthodoxy.

[@followthechair8658]

@@AdolfSchicklegruber actually, the position which generally goes by "Eastern Orthodoxy" has many inconsistencies. I put quotes around that because the religion is not defined in a concrete way, which is why there are many factions claiming to be its true representative: Old Believers (1600s), priestless Old Believers (1700s), True Orthodox/GOC Florinites (early 1900s), True Orthodox/GOC Matthewites (after the Florinites were rejected by them), and now there are a ton of splinter groups. I'd challenge you to name one major inconsistency in either RC or OO which cannot be found for your own faith, your strongest example.

[@dianekamer8341]

@@AdolfSchicklegruber Nope. Wrong. Things are tough all over, and yes, we have the receipts. Please stop sheep-stealing. Thanks in advance.

[@AdolfSchicklegruber]

@@followthechair8658 did you read about that on Wikipedia?

[@pop6997]

Really glad this guy got out from under their influence and left a warning behind for posterity too! Thanks Michael.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Thanks

[@fun_at_work]

First moments: makes a political statement. I'm one minute in, and I suspect that this is going to be a largely "political" shift. Secular humanism as an improvement to Orthodox theology? Pro-humanism, pro-ecumenism, filled with buzzwords used by mainstream media. The maiden doth protest too much.

[@lukasuon3719]

The Dyer state of affairs...

[@cactoidjim1477]

You win the chat, sir

[@southpawhammer8644]

Ha, well done

[@loveisaiah622]

Lol😅

[@pinesap34]

I went and read the article, he made a lot of great points on Dyer and his ilk. Something I would caution, however, is he seems to slightly overract in some areas such as his comments about Rooshv and being opposed to the nonsense that happened with Covid. I see this happen a lot even in Catholic circles where people overcorrect to be "anti rad trad" and then sometimes adopt positions that trend in a problematic way, like a pseudo support of sodomy or feminism that opposes a Catholic view of femininity. We have to avoid those overcorrections while still being able to call out the true evil from those groups we walked from.

[@volusian95]

Nuance Gang vs "Waves" of internet polemics fuelled by the algorithm

[@dianekamer8341]

I noticed that, too.

[@lightbeforethetunnel]

What does anti rad trad mean

[@frankperrella1202]

Dyer's Weird, God bless you brother Michael 🙏🛐🗝️🗝️💯 Catholic

[@ReasonandTheology]

See here for screenshots of Dyer doxing and threatening his critics: kzbin.infoUgkxTtnwJE84FVyxOC30VvxEOLcoUYVucnEy

[@joey_dm210]

Haven't you just redoxxed the guy by not blacking out his name?

[@yokobono3324]

@@joey_dm210 Noah publicly stated his name in the article that he wrote (discussed in this video), so Michael isn't doxxing anyone at this point. The screenshot shows Jay Dyer threatening to doxx Noah prior to his public acknowledgement.

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

As a curious person who has no dog in the fight, and being an on and off viewer of Dyer for a couple of years now, I can confirm that he tends to be extremely arrogant and disparaging. In fact I'd go as far as to say that, not only is much of the behavior around him is unchristian but even a bit fascistic.

[@ChristosAnesti33]

A bit fascistic 😂 what does this even mean?

[@Shernickyholmes221]

I decided he did not talk like he was filled with the Holy Spirit.

[@ChristosAnesti33]

@@Shernickyholmes221 just reflect for a minute on the sentence that you wrote. Do you think Jay is a saint? You ‘decided’ that he’s not ‘filled with the Holy Spirit’ ?? Do you know what a person filled with the Holy Spirit looks like? And how arrogant must you be to believe that you have that kind of discernment? You’re looking, but you’re not seeing.

[@Shernickyholmes221]

@@ChristosAnesti33 ok

[@Shernickyholmes221]

@ChristosAnesti33 what does that mean? I can not see my priest talking like this guy. Let alone talking about "Game of Thrones" in a condoning matter and the thumbnails he produces

[@Pilgrim22]

My alarm bells went off pretty quick when checking out Dyers material. No thanks. Say your prayers and attend the services! Stay off the internet people!

[@ReasonandTheology]

Yep

[@CarmelAV]

Your on the Internet telling others to stay off the Internet. Really

[@JamesPeers5454]

I have been speaking out against Dyer ever since I knew a lot of very unsettling things about him, not a surprise that this is coming out now. Definitely vindicated now.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Email me [e-mail]. Let’s talk.

[@johnnyhobo1]

Roosh V converted to Eastern Orthodoxy and renounced his former lifestyle

[@pinesap34]

Yeah the shot a Rooshv was underhanded and unnecessary

[@johnnyhobo1]

@@pinesap34 Makes me think the guy is actually just a gay fordhamite ecumenist who wants pride flags flown in our church

[@joachim847]

I have no idea who that is, but does he attempt to "impose a monastic lifestyle on laity"?

[@johnnyhobo1]

@@joachim847 No, this is all just a bunch of Roman Catholic nonsense because they can't debate Jay Dyer or any Orthodox for that matter.

[@dianekamer8341]

@@johnnyhobo1 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Spotted the Dyerite 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@adrianwhyatt594]

Looking forward to the joyful re-unification in love and truth of Orthodoxy, Romanism (of all sorts (24+ varieties) and True Orthodoxy under the fulfillment of the rest (parts 13-24) of the Anonymous Prophecy of Mount Athos of 1053 under a single TRUE Orthodox shepherd. This will necessarily involve the repentance or removal of the Dyerites and all others who have participated in and perpetrated the genocide of True Orthodox Christians since 1917.

[@jonmack2437]

Jay can be petty at times but I enjoy his work. Idk too much about a “cult following” but I could imagine young guys idolizing him. Being 36 and new to theology, from my own experience I understand how knowledge can lead you into pride/boasting. I saw it in myself. But I’m now in the church that helps me deal with a sin I already had in me. I have an appreciation for all you people who put so much time and work in. I’ve learned more about God in literally one years time than I could’ve imagined possible

[@totalnosranje]

Can someone please explain in short bullet points what EXACTLY is this video EXPOSING about Jay Dyer??? Thanks.

[@signumcrucis4172]

He threatened to dox someone for disagreeing with his theology. The article covered in the video goes into full length about the cultish practices that go on in the Dyer circle.

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@OrthoLou you spent time reading comments when you should have given the guy who was threatened the benefit of the doubt and read his article. Its really sad how people remain willingly ignorant of Jay's behavior.

[@regost5634]

@@signumcrucis4172 it is really sad indeed

[@DavidSupina]

Dyer’s behaviour is so thoroughly awful that I wonder how he can think he is in right standing with Christ. How can he do what he does and think he is guided by the Holy Spirit, and not unclean spirits? Is this a man filled with the peace of Christ? Is this a man who is dying to self but alive to Christ?

[@dickflinghammer2985]

He's pulled in alot of directions. Unfortunately one of them is deciding if Christlike behavior is clickworthy enough vs drama. When I was his age I could relate. Life hopefully delivers corrections to these flaws without too much harm as we grow.

[@nonymous1852]

Does this channel support Ecumenism?

[@carlpittenger]

he follows Pope Francis, so of course

[@bambbambboyguy123]

@@carlpittengerno

[@DorperSystems]

Dyer is a very charismatic person. It's just really sad that he chooses to act so immature.

[@signumcrucis4172]

He is drunk with the power that comes with being the center of a circle. Its not rocket science either.

[@heftymagic4814]

@@signumcrucis4172 except hes not

[@shawnholden-of5ru]

@@heftymagic4814 🤡

[@dickflinghammer2985]

He's not only charismatic he's good looking and intelligent. All this can take an individual out to sea no matter how based. He's young though and I believe his heart is in the good place so I pray he lands right side up in his journey whatever that is exactly sparing another debate.

[@DorperSystems]

@@dickflinghammer2985 Rare Bob Dobbs pfp W.

[@desmondhutchinson6095]

I always find it brave when someone address Dyer considering the Ortho bros are known to follow in the comments 😅

[@ReasonandTheology]

Lord of the flies

[@micahwatz1148]

"Right wing leaning individual at the time" So no longer right wing? ...🚩

[@lordhonksworth7701]

In Dyer's defence, the 'conspiracy theory' stuff he discusses (Western Atlanticist 'elites' a la Quigley's 'Tragedy and Hope', geopolitical analysis and shady/occult antics in the entertainment industry) is demonstrably true. It's because of the strength of his analysis in this field that he sucks a lot of people into his silly theology.

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

You'd be surprised how much truer the theology is compared to silly analysis

[@signumcrucis4172]

Does he ever bash the Moscow Patriarchate and their mismanagement of the autocephaly issues? Kirill has basically blood in his hands and Jay is silent about it.

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

@@signumcrucis4172 can you tell me more about it?

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc are you playing dumb?

[@Octavian2]

​@FirstnameLastname-py3bc Notice he is never critical of Russia.

[@eugene7989]

What is even more concerning is that many people online gravitate towards such characters, speaks volumes on how depraved we are spiritually and a failure to put our faith in practice.

[@milkshakeplease4696]

I agree

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

​@@milkshakeplease4696 there are channels exposing Michael loftons dirty tricks. If people smile to your face and tell you things you want to hear you will believe them. Your preparing yourself to bow to the Antichrist.

[@ogurelski]

Attack their opinions, not their characters.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Tell that to jay. He is the one who attacks people and not their arguments. As for me I have a dozen videos refuting jays arguments.

[@ogurelski]

Thank you for your reply. It is my opinion that Catholics, being the closest to us Orthodox, alongside Oriental Orthodox, in these faithless times makes much more sense to focus on arguments about the Church and Christ, rather than our human frailties, of which we are all guilty. If you are responding to his personal attacks with his methods are you answering evil with evil? God bless and keep the faith. @@ReasonandTheology

[@hashbrowns9328]

The whole supremacy claim is bogus, and the writer was spreading confusion in other servers as well. This was someone who was orthodox for about a year. Don't worry this anonymous fellow has all the theological answers, and knows the intention of everyone else and how to do things right.

[@signumcrucis4172]

Jay acts like a Pharisee when he threatens to make fun of him in a live stream and dox him anyone with two braincells can see that.

[@dope1725]

Darth Danza hung up on Mucinex😂

[@Timic83tc]

Chosen people making Fedora memes 15 years ago to push everyone into 3 skydaddy camps.

[@chad_hominem]

"He's steeped in conspiracy theories" - not really an argument considering most of them prove and historically have proven to be true. The online cult behavior is interesting though. Dyer's debate with Ybarra on this channel was telling when Ybarra obliterated him on ecclesiological history.

[@lordhonksworth7701]

The conspiracy theories point is really good, in fact I think it's the point where Jay Dyer gets a lot of things right (e.g. his analysis of Quigley's 'Tragedy and Hope' is top notch, as is a lot of his stuff on the entertainment industry). It's for this reason that people then assume he has the right ideas on theology, which is where things go horribly wrong.

[@stephenroe2133]

Dyer is a movie critic, easiest thing in the world is to be a critic. He puts "Esoteric" Meanings in movie where there may not be any. His conspiracy theories are based on Lyndon LaRouche. He never goes into depth with his conspiracy theories, he mentions them in passing. For example the "Franklin Scandal" was a real scandal, but the aspects that Dyer pushes is that as described by John Decamp, are completely rubbish., as well as the perjured testimony of Paul Bonacci. He also has claimed that the Moon landings were a hoax.

[@tankiebot704]

​@@stephenroe2133 yet those conspiracies are mostly all true.

[@stephenroe2133]

@@tankiebot704 1. No, the witness that John Decamp were representing in his account of the Franklin Scandal, "The Franklin Coverup." Either perjured themselves or recanted their testimony, and in the case of Paul Bonacci, was not trialed for Perjury becasue he was deemed mentally disabled. 2. Are you saying that the Moon Landing was a Hoax? 3. Are you saying that Lyndon LaRouche was not a cult leader. Again, he stole his Tragedy and hope material, and the Evil American Empire theory from him. chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2016/eirv43n40-20160930/03-13_4340.pdf

[@lordhonksworth7701]

@@stephenroe2133 The moon landings WERE a hoax. I could understand how people watching in 1969 were fooled, but there's absolutely no excuse now

[@tomgjokaj]

J Dyer done lost his marbles

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

Shame on Fr Ananias, working at a Catholic institution while publicly attacking Catholicism. Hypocrite.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Shame on them for employing him

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@ReasonandTheology They may not be aware of his behavior? Isn't there a code that you have to support the Catholic ethos as an employee at Catholic institutions?

[@Jrayhood]

@@SaintCharbelMiracleworker where does he work?

[@SaintCharbelMiracleworker]

@@Jrayhood Carroll College Montana

[@totalnosranje]

Dyer has not "poisoned the well". He is merely exposing the poison snakes.

[@signumcrucis4172]

By threatening them? That is cult like behavior.

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@OrthoLou how about you read the article?

[@troothseeka4116]

Dyer uses the transcendental argument for God(TAG) in his debates. Is the TAG position compatible with Catholicism? I feel its ultimately held best in the Catholic Church being the bosom of Truth. Should we use TAG even if it is compatible?

[@signumcrucis4172]

You can if you want to. Its not like it's the holy grail either.

[@troothseeka4116]

@@signumcrucis4172 I would like to hear good criticism of that argument.

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@troothseeka4116 watch Trent's debate with Jay on natural theology. Basically TAG to function must pay lip service to every atheist and enlightenment philosopher from the enlightenment to modernity because it depends on modern philosophical questions. It's basically atheist philosophy used to prove Orthodox Christianity.

[@carlpittenger]

​@@signumcrucis4172 amazing misunderstanding. Dyer uses some of Hume's critiques because they are valid. is Aquinas Aristotelian for using some of Aristotel's argumentation?

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@carlpittenger your dumb comeback does not address the point of my comment. TAG is only relevant if you believe modern philosophy is relevant. But you can't do that unless you eat up the academic way of doing philosophy. Hume isn't relevant unless you give him that relevance. The church fathers didn't have the academic tolerance TAG assumes. They burned the works of heretics, they didn't use their arguments to prove Christianity let alone Orthodoxy. So, that Orthobros use TAG as their main weapon is pure irony: it's a sophistical argument that distrusts the senses and the world and assumes all academic arguments to be viable. Its meant to impress the ignorant. That you simply repeat Dyer's objections just tells me you don't have the brains yourself.

[@georgegiannis4337]

I just watched a debate he had with a protestant pastor before watching this and left a comment. His moderator was not only smoking cigarettes. but chain smoking them while it was going on. I did it it in a loving and kind way. As a former smoker, I had turn my head away while he was lighting up or taking a drag as it could possibly trigger me. So, it could not only affect his own health but influence others. This same moderator was also debating a muslim apologist in another video and was behaving quite immaturely. Laughing interrupting him. Very unprofessional.

[@pekbekmkek6310]

you mean andrew (gritson) wilson and his grifter wife rachel. he is insufferably arrogant and degenerate, calls people out all the time for things that he himself did do not so long ago. he is also a free mason that claims to not be one anymore but told a story recently where he called his former lodge chief to ask him about one of their members...so i guess he is still a mason. he hangs out with grifters ´like pearl or jaysuit dyer and his orthobro pride cult.

[@karlbeyleveld3399]

This is a load of BS. Slander is a sin, buddy.

[@lightninlad]

The best part of the whole video, is when you rightly point out that if this is the way they handle people then it is naive to think that this kind of behavior doesn’t infect their theological arguments as well.

[@ReasonandTheology]

yep. People often dont make those connections though.

[@lightninlad]

@@OrthoLou It’s naive to think someone who has this much venom for others is being intellectually honest. They clearly have a bias.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@OrthoLou his arguments are wrong too. I’ve shown that on this channel

[@masinaverde901]

​​@@ReasonandTheologyey Michael, have you ever done a video on Dyer's charges against "Absolute Divine Simplicity"? This seems to be the major apologetic pillar that sucks people in, as I see the Orthbros parrot his claims everywhere as the lynchpin against Catholicism, that makes everything about it fall apart.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@masinaverde901 yes. See my videos with fr Kappes or dr Jared Goff.

[@tonybased2061]

Jay & his attack dogs are a horrible representation of orthodoxy. They push more & more people away from orthodoxy each day.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

your an orthodox eccumenist

[@followthechair8658]

Thank you Michael for this video. I wanted to know your thoughts on a possible bridge in the modern times between RC and EO. So basically, in 3 Constantinople, Sophronius' famous Encyclical Letter was accepted where it anathematizes a whole slew of individuals outside of communion for being heretics. But among them, it includes Isaiah of Gaza, Dorotheus of Gaza, and Barsanuphius, who are all universally venerated in both RC and EO. Their sainthood isn't a question. So, maybe this can show that since the 3 Constantinople anathemas (including against Pope Honorius) aren't infallible (obviously, lol) then neither are the anathematizations between Rome and Constantinople? I think this is a good justifying reason for Paul VI and Athenagoras lifting the anathemas.

[@nicovanmu8659]

Well, I have just unsubscribed from your channel. I will do the same if I see a similar video on Dyer's channel, which is basically slander adversaries.

[@VocabMalone]

“If” ???

[@rx88088]

Thanks for this video. This has been a problem for a long time in the Orthodox world. I will stick to praying for all involved.

[@ilovechrist914]

Issue here is lofton. Been following jay for 5 years he doesnt bother to make videos about you or any heretical claims you make. But its clear how many people coming orthodox because of him And your using this to gaslight him to prevent more catholics coming orthodox. Eiether way would love a debate with you both. If you would be up for it

[@signumcrucis4172]

Did you read the article?

[@hansfrankfurter2903]

Speaking of craziness within orthodoxy, had anyone heard of Dr Joseph P Farrell?

[@stephenroe2133]

Thank you for posting this Michael. I really like the work that you do, and "Lord of the Flies" is probably the best way to describe him. It's sad as I think in many ways he has alot to offer, but somehow things went to his head. On a separate note, will you ever have E Michal Jones on again?

[@ReasonandTheology]

Not after seeing some really bad things from Jones in one of his videos about a year ago. As one who loves the Jewish people, I can't get on board with some things he has said.

[@stephenroe2133]

@@ReasonandTheologyYou alluded to a certain hypocrisy in the trad Catholics for not entering into dialogue with anyone. Wouldn't it be more charitable to have dialogue with him?

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@stephenroe2133 why do you assume I haven’t had a dialogue with him? In fact, I’ve had him on the show twice. And he has slandered me and lied about me since then.

[@stephenroe2133]

@@ReasonandTheology I was aware of 1 show in the past that he has done with you, but not the other. Did you discuss "The Jewish Revolutionary Sprit on either show? Not to bring up a pain point, but how did he slander and lied about you? I have interviewed several times for my Bitchute channel.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@stephenroe2133 if I showed you nearly a hundred screenshots of him lying about me and slandering me publicly how would this impact you? Would it make a difference?

[@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne]

dyer "shadow banned" me from his channel so no one can read my comments (because I said something he didn't like or whatever), but I still see my comments, giving me the illusion that I have not been banned. he's intelligent to be sure, in his exegetical work and otherwise, but bad, dark vibes in my opinion (not saying that just because I was "banned", but more from his obsessions/aesthetics/disposition, etc.).

[@ReasonandTheology]

He banned me too so that people can’t see my responses to him. He does that to everyone

[@Sterkop3]

Just keep following your pope and his support for gay marriage.

[@Sterkop3]

@@Link25 🧑‍🦯

[@EmberBright2077]

When did he do that?

[@diogeneslamp8004]

What’s wrong with gay marriage?

[@shanesolar3924]

Just keep spreading misinformation to cover for your schismatic lies against Christs church

[@SlovakGreekCatholic.]

When did he support gay marriage? False accusations?

[@jg7923]

I wish that the Eastern Orthodox that I've met and interacted with were more like Seraphim Rose and the Monks and Nuns, but most of them are not though.

[@MrJMB122]

Brother just go visit parish you will meet good people.

[@slowboywhiteboardv4]

32:43 Wraps up the entire point. The writer thinks Jay & David's "opinions" are what is being adhered to. That's not the case. He wanted to express heretical views on the discord server and got shut down. The rest of the article is just accusations without proof and half-truths to make the writer seem like he was victimized.

[@ReasonandTheology]

I found the Orthobro!

[@chaun1115]

@@ReasonandTheology 's response tells you everything you need to know. Not interested in truth, just interested in trying to "take down" someone who larger and more respected than he is by platforming schismatics. Lofton, if you think you are right about what matters, why don't you just debate Dyer? Are you scared he might be too mean to you and hurt your feelings?

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@chaun1115 you guys all sound the same. Just like a cult. kzbin.infoaqSZSHsrBSs?feature=share

[@saint-jiub]

This article is dishonest propoganda. There are plenty of people on that the dyer/ernhan discord with differing opinion. People are not banned for mere differing opinion, or not 'getting in line'. There is no cult mentality..rather it's a bunch of us Orthodox being theology nerds and exchanging knowledge with each other, mostly quoting Patristics. Oh the horror! Lol. Anyone who's banned is for trolling or dishonesty/sophistry. Crazy...

[@stephenroe2133]

@@chaun1115 I Would like to debate Dyer on the reality of the Moon Landings. He has stated that the moon landings were fake. Anyway, "Scared he might be mean and hurt your feelings." Is that how an adult debates or is that the tactics of a 5th grader using playground group think to win an argument?

[@bradleymarshall5489]

Ya I remember commenting on a Trent's debate with Dyer and a Dyer bro came at me. He kept arguing Dyer=Palamism=Orthodox, and when I tried pointing out problems with that considering other forms of Orthodoxy like the Sophilologists he ignored me and kept trying to slam me down Jay Dyer references and word salad. It's never a good sign one someone can only appeal to one person for their arguments.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Sound accurate

[@kyleelsbernd7566]

Jay is still an evangelical Baptist at heart. Cannot accept a pope in theory. The essence of Catholicism is tradition. You are born into a tradition and add to it slowly and cautiously. Jay has had a cafe a la carte journey through multiple faiths. A very Protestant thing to do.

[@annabell3385]

Seems like you're jealous.

[@ReasonandTheology]

May God bless you.

[@user-ny2tj5tz4y]

Hey Michael, I'm currently very interested in Eastern Orthodoxy and I've been finding Erhan's videos very edifying. Is there something about him I should know?

[@caseyshelton7216]

You should know that the filioque, which the orthodox deny, is very scriptural. It’s the idea that the Holy Spirit acts through the father and the son. In one verse, Jesus breathes the Holy Spirit onto the disciples. In another he states that the father will send the Holy Spirit in his name. Therefore I reject the Eastern churches.

[@Cybercrapper28]

If you’re trying to discern what church to join, you should be looking for arguments, not character assassinations.

[@OrthodoxInquirer]

Please don't be turned away from Orthodoxy by silly arguments. Some of the people like Dyer cause dissention and point fingers at Bishops saying they are not Orthodox enough. It's important to separate people struggling with their passions from Orthodox doctrine. A lot of bad things are going on in America right now but instead of trying to "out" people and one up everyone in an argument, we should be fighting Satan with prayer. Just my opinion. Some online content is very helpful but you have to be discerning.

[@OrthodoxInquirer]

​@@caseyshelton7216The Son is eternally begotten from the Father and the Spirit eternally proceeds. The Father is the top of the triangle, it's not an upside down triangle with the Father and the Son on top and the Spirit at the bottom. Jesus said He could do nothing without the Father, and the same with the Spirit. Even in Genesis, the Father spoke the Word (Jesus) and created the world and the Spirit moved over the face of the deep. If you research how Charlemagne pretty much insisted that the Pope add the Filioque you'll realize it was not some spiritual decision but a political one.

[@lolsing2205]

you should get past all the mental gymnastics and observe why the great schism happened then catholicsm crumbles like a cookie

[@CrossfireComicsInc]

This is merely a person's opinion. And also their personal point of view. I have listened to Jay for years, many years, and I find his arguments usually hold up pretty firm. Again, no one should follow and trust everything anyone says, but Mr. Dyer, who even says that himself, has never steered me wrong. I don't see mud slinging. I have always found Catholicism unnerving, and unwelcoming since I was a child, and that is MY personal experience. Orthodoxy has never given me that feeling, not once actually. Also, you have to take into account the Vaticans role with the CIA and the world power structure and truly ask yourself some realistic questions. If you follow blindly, you indeed, are the Fool.

[@thinkofsomethingcooler]

Hello I am new here and found your channel bc of Jay. That being said I cannot comment intelligently bc I do not know all of the backstory. But is there no way to bury this h@tch3t it has gotten so ugly? I am not faulting you I understand what you are trying to do is a PSA, and I’m wondering if perhaps he feels the same way (although this may be naive of me). Is it possible that Jay does not personally foster the comment attacks by his loyal fans? Again I’m not defending the behavior I just am wondering as I view this video if the “cred” gained is among peers and not from the controllers of the sites servers and channels? I am grateful both you and Jay challenge me to do my homework and attempt to understand my struggles accepting certain concepts and the practical application of them. Thank you for reading this and I do appreciate information as I take doxxing extremely seriously. Often in that community I feel like an old fogey who is probably the object of a joke wo realizing it, but that’s okay, bc it never affects my relationship w God (and I do honestly find the ppl there are all intelligent and have their own specialized knowledge so I find this a good thing even if they don’t trust my RC background). Ofc I do not have a theology channel so it’s different for me. I am grateful to both of you for it brought me to many good places, including here, and am extremely saddened to hear about the doxxing, which unfortunately does happen on Discord especially 💔 I do hope members of both communities and both creators can come to a resolution and I will pray for this. If you read this I honestly appreciate it. Perhaps I am different bc I am older, and am used to fireworks and sparks flying as ppl who disagree debate. I am very much against ad hominem attacks, although in my youth I’m sure I was guilty of them

[@signumcrucis4172]

Is threatening people in line with the Gospel? What is that all theological knowledge for if you threaten someone for a disagreement? There's no way around it. Jay has acts in a way on stream and another behind the scenes.

[@bizantiumx3991]

so much for turning the other cheek. both sides are larping so hard and dont believe in shit.

[@slowboywhiteboardv4]

Former "follower" 😅 He's not a cult leader 12:35 why don't you show us? Like an actual cult leader, we are just supposed to take *your* word for it... with no evidence 👍🏻🆗 gotcha

[@ReasonandTheology]

This guy says he is ironically

[@volusian95]

When Dyer is criticized, dozens of his followers deploy to the comment section within minutes to let us know the whole thing isn't cult-like

[@slowboywhiteboardv4]

​@@volusian95 That point is exactly why Michael keeps making "drama content" ... To get views and interaction on his channel. 😅 Then he cries that people are commenting.

[@volusian95]

​@@slowboywhiteboardv4 I can't read someone's intentions, but occasionally making videos about some chronically online circles for Christians to avoid seems okay to me.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@volusian95 I’ve managed to block many of them over the years so it is manageable now

[@brianbridges8124]

presupps: if i believe a perfect God exists and that he has sprinkled his God magic on my brain so that i can be certain he exists.....then it is absolutely trure that it is the case that god exists

[@arthurlewis6906]

26:00 -> You stressed upon a very fair point on what's happening within our own Catholic CHurch and our clergy not even batting an eye against these radicals online :(

[@lyterman]

I want to know more about Orthodoxy and take their claims seriously, but I couldn't be more sure that the Spirit is not at work within Jay Dyer. Orthodoxy will have to lift up another champion before I can listen. I have seen much better behavior from even Muslims. Despicable

[@ReasonandTheology]

Sounds accurate.

[@jamesbb716]

Jay is a small part of the picture my friend. He is one channel. You dont have to watch or even like him. Orthodoxy, like Roman Catholics, have many heroes of the faith throughout time. Some modern ones that have a bit of reach I would suggest looking into: Fr.Josiah Trenham, Orthodox Ethos, Even Fr. Spyridon Bailey, if you havent heard of these already. Fr. Trenham has outstanding videos if you are into Church history and apologetics, etc. My opinion at least. God bless your journey.

[@lyterman]

@@jamesbb716 I have listened to some of Fr. Josiah's work, and he is much better, though he misrepresents Catholicism quite often. Nonetheless, Jay is the most popular Orthodox KZbinr, no? He's the one people point me to for critiques of Catholicism.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@jamesbb716 orthodox ethos is part of the problem as I noted.

[@lyterman]

@@maximustheconfessor72 How about a rude Schismatic 😉

[@warnersmith2802]

Nice gay drama and gossip thanks

[@meatsweats_]

Ive experienced much of the same from all online Christians, whether its protestant, orthodox, or catholic. The amount of smug online christians is endless. The type of people to enter into online prayer groups in general are cut from a specific anti-social cloth, I would be hesitant to listen to anyone beyond face value from both sides. How do we know Noah just isn't a goober who doesnt know how to handle conflict? Where can I see Noah's face and mannerisms that arent shrouded by written word? Personally I find making a video like this *and monetizing it* to be equally off-putting and divisive. This whole video in itself is almost dyer-esque.

[@ReasonandTheology]

God bless you

[@StevenStillSpergs]

"mudslinging" ... Bruh

[@AD-sx7ix]

Could someone just file a lawsuit against Jay Dyer bruh

[@IanVinh]

19:40 I also noticed this

[@ReasonandTheology]

Yep

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

I like how this guy portrays Jay Dyer as a well organized cult, "inner circle" and "Jayrite" lol

[@signumcrucis4172]

Maybe Jay would help himself out by not acting like a cult leader. Why threaten someone for disagreement?

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

@@signumcrucis4172 threaten someone lol Come to life man, when a person is popular that person has a large circle of friends, and of course they they'll share interests and support someone. That's not a cult, that's just common decency Jay can be crazy but saying he's a cult leader is another level of crazy entirely

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc stop coping bro. Did you see the screenshots? Its not like I have hated Jay for years. I rekindled my faith thanks to him and it's by the Gospel that I can see the guy is clearly in the wrong when he insults and threatens to dox.

[@FirstnameLastname-py3bc]

@@signumcrucis4172 he is wrong but calling a cult is entirely different. And I don't know what you call threatening

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@FirstnameLastname-py3bc you don't have to dance naked in front of a fire to be in a cult. But keep playing dumb. Anyone with two braincells and the Gospel can see what kind of behavior this is.

[@dianekamer8341]

Excellent podcast. Thanks!

[@ReasonandTheology]

Thanks

[@brysonstevens1431]

Why did this vodeo not show up under the channel's video list?

[@jacobvashchenko7687]

Hey! Just unsubscribed from Jay Dyer, since we tend to become what we surround ourselves with… Cults are scary since they master the art of covering up the filth… Anywho, liked and subscribed to your channel.

[@sigmanocopyrightmusic8737]

Many channels have exposed Michael loftons behaviour.

[@gettriggered9724]

Jay Dyer rocks. Im eager to watch this video. Edit Update - Jay Dyer still rocks.

[@simplycj5460]

Who is Jay Dyer?

[@ReasonandTheology]

I envy you

[@chainlobster7479]

LOL, Dyerite….That makes us Loftonites

[@DorperSystems]

loftonians

[@ReasonandTheology]

Nah.

[@andygriffiths9916]

No that makes you crazy!😈

[@bogdanungureanu9751]

Dyer is completely unhinged. Just look at his videos' thumbnails

[@RedShnow]

Shame on this podcast you must be running out of stuff to cover

[@ReasonandTheology]

Thanks for helping the algorithm.

[@akinwaleoluwafolajimioluwa1733]

@@ReasonandTheology This is why you make this content, to get people talking, then in the video you said you don't like it when people come to your comments with differing opinions. If you don't like it, why do you make these videos? Because you do like it.

[@volusian95]

@@akinwaleoluwafolajimioluwa1733 Dyer clearly still has many loyal followers, why is it impossible that the intention of making content on the topic is to steer potential members away from his little cult?

[@RedShnow]

@@ReasonandTheology It is good to help those in need.

[@LAGoff]

All I know is that Jay (and therefore -- according to Jay -- Orthodoxy) is into essence-energies distinction, and that -- according to Jay -- Judaism isnt. Thats all Im interested in because I am Jewish. That means the action takes place in the preface to John, which I am not going to go into, except to say it sounds like a blurring of the lines between God's essence and energies.

[@araunapalm]

Revelation 18:4 "Get out of her my people".

[@ogbobbisteigler1316]

That David Erhan is super unlikeable, I’ve been following Jay for years and I never liked that guy(Erhan). I am super appreciative for Jay for introducing me to certain theological topics and I still watch him when he’s not attacking other apostolic churches. He is a testament that God can use imperfect people to help bring people (like myself) into the church. To me Jay is like a really good guard dog; he is exactly the person you want to battle with arrogant atheists, but he should be kept safely away from people of other apostolic churches i.e. Latins, Orientals, Assyrians.

[@ReasonandTheology]

There are so many things wrong with your evaluation. I pray you receive some discernment.

[@ogbobbisteigler1316]

@@ReasonandTheology I know you two have beef so I get it. And I feel you on a lot of what you’re saying. He’s not an evil dude though bro. I honestly think you two just need to put on the gloves, duke it out like men and then be friends after. This he said she said ish is girly to me. You two could do so much positive to the world working together. But hey, it’s just my opinion man… Peace 🙏🏾

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@tomau.8267 I haven’t acted like one. Don’t slander like Satan.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@ogbobbisteigler1316 His behavior is incredibly evil. You must not have seen what I have seen.

[@johnbautiste]

The only Orthodox I know who don't like Dyer are all weak momma's boys who grew up without a strong father figure.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Don’t be a meme.

[@EmberBright2077]

Ok Andrew Tate

[@SubManifest]

tHaT iS sO bAsEd

[@hanmirz4803]

Let’s pray for Jay Dyer and all Orthodox brothers and sisters to come into the Catholic fold. Let’s pray for RadTrads among us to repent on their mortal sins of criticizing Pope Francis on daily basis. Last but not least, pray the Holy Rosary daily, at least 5 decades. Viva Cristo Rey

[@andygriffiths9916]

Do you really believe that? ☹️

[@revcanada2147]

Zzzzzz fest

[@ReasonandTheology]

lol sure.

[@zionwillsing]

I’m not orthodox or catholic rather I stick with the bible, take it literally and am awaiting the rapture. Flee from your idols you and Jay both! Call no man father - Had not clue jay was labeled as such ! Just listen to his political stuff

[@Sean-398]

The Church preserved and transmitted the books in your Bible. You can't accept the Bible without also appealing to the Church. The Bible itself also says to submit to the oral teachings of the Apostles. "hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether BY WORD OF MOUTH, or our epistle" (2 Thess 2:15) The early Church didn't have a complete "Bible" for over a couple centuries, because virtually everything was transmitted orally. Even if the canon was universally complete, most of the laity were illiterate. "Bible Alone" would have been a completely foreign concept to them. Where were the "Bible Alone" Christians for the ensuing 1,500 years before the Reformation? We don't have any idols. If you think that icons of the saints are "idols", then were the Cherubims of gold which Yahweh commanded the Israelites to construct idols? (Exodus 25:18-19) Was the fiery serpent which God commanded Moses to construct an idol? (Numbers 21:8) If you have an issue with images, then you have an issue with the historic Christian faith and Church. Islam may be the right religion for you, not Christianity. As for "call no man father", you misuse Matthew 23. According to you, Jesus must have contradicted the Apostles. Paul refers to how he became the spiritual father of the Corinthians (1 Cor. 4:14-15). He refers to the Galatians as his little children (Gal. 4:19) and to Timothy (1 Cor. 4:17; 1 Tim. 1:2, 18; 2 Tim. 1:2, 2:1), Titus (Titus 1:4), and Onesimus (Philem. 10) as his spiritual sons. Peter refers to Mark as his spiritual son (1 Pet. 5:13), and John refers to his readers as his little children (1 John 2:1; 3 John 4). Abraham is referred to as the spiritual father of the Church on numerous occasions (James 2:21; Rom 4:16; Acts 7:2). The 'pre trib rapture' is totally insane nonsense, not found anywhere in the history of the Church until the 19th century. Even your early Reformers would have scoffed at it.

[@samsdad110]

Since eastern orthodoxy, just like Roman, Catholicism are both false religions and oppose Christianity. Based on scripture alone, what does it really matter as there’s hundreds of organizations out there that say their additions to scripture or inspiration you’ve gotten directly from God, or the true religion. What I wanna know is I do all these guys choose to live in a country founded on Protestantism, especially the reformed version provided by the Puritans and pilgrims, instead of countries, dominated for centuries by RoEO church? Ever think about that? People from all these Roman Catholic dominated countries to the south all want to live in America.

[@AluminiumT6]

They're our Scriptures, dummy. Protestants just borrowed them (and deleted some books). Additionally, the Americas were initially colonized by the Spanish and Portuguese, not by Puritans. Saint Augustine (not Jamestown) is the oldest city in current-day US, and it was a Spanish city. Leading Founding Fathers were High Church Episcopalian, which is quite close to Catholicism in many ways, not Puritan lol. The history of Puritanism in the US is short-lived and quite irrelevant, and it proves the weakness and lack of vitality of that goofy sect. Further, it's clear that whoever adheres to a similar theology and worldview to that of puritans, that is, their low-IQ fundamentalist, iconoclastic spiritual descendants, are low-class in the US, while Catholics do quite well.

[@tombirmingham7033]

You're a really nice broadcaster. Your words are carefully considered and you try not to disparage people in a blanket statement.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Thanks

[@tombirmingham7033]

@@ReasonandTheology I don't think your podcast is the best place for this. However there are deeper aspects to Jay Dyer but this is all tied to a Kremlin psyop campaign and some other occult things. Especially darker and esoteric things linked to Aleksandr Dugin

[@johnnyleach7152]

Your turncoat likes to taste the rainbow. But frank is your daddy, hes cool w it so you gotta be too.

[@ReasonandTheology]

Slanderers will not inherit the kingdom of God per scripture. You clearly don’t know Christ.

[@bethanyann1060]

The flies are buzzing still.

[@ReasonandTheology]

@@tomau.8267 I’m not slandering anyone. I am showing what he is doing to warn people and it is public information already. Go to confession.

[@slowboywhiteboardv4]

@@bethanyann1060 if orthodox people are flies, what does that make this channel a steaming pile of? 🤔

[@signumcrucis4172]

@@slowboywhiteboardv4 they aren't referring to orthodox people but Dyer fans who will defend his foul behavior.