Curious About Eastern Catholicism? Start Here... w/ Mr. Natalia

This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Mr. Natalia. Watch the full interview here: • Eastern Catholicism w/...
In this clip, Sr. Natalia gives a tutorial on how to get into reading the "Eastern Fathers" and other Eastern Catholic texts.
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[@matthew4712]

My father was raised Catholic but was either very poorly catechised or he learned very poorly and he rejected it and left somewhere in his early teens. He raised me very bitterly anti-catholic and my very bad experiences with sectarian bullying as an atheist in a majority-catholic school only fuelled this. When I researched religious beliefs and arguments for the existence of God and came home to the Catholic Church of my own volition, my father did not react well. I gradually realised how much bad information he'd fed me, but he refuses to accept anything I tell or show him that goes against what he's convinced himself the catholic church teaches. He likes to repeatedly claim that the church picks and chooses which parts of the Bible to follow, but, ironically, he only picks out parts (of the little he remembers) that he doesn't like and twists them to suit his agenda. He's shown little but hostility and mockery to my beliefs since I accepted God. Please pray with me for the softening of his heart and the opening of his mind.

[@stephenmccartney8089]

The "Black Legend" ( I'am 40 yr Protestant, until I converted to Roman Catholicism) travels at the speed of light..the truth I found travels slower....must be patient.

[@PeteV80]

We were all very poorly catechized as cradle Catholics. I feel a bit robbed lol

[@mysticalc.o.g.6678]

same, a bit sad about it. I went to Catholic school from 1st to 12th grade too.

[@nikadgod5152]

Same. It's why I'm making sure my kids get a taste of everything the church offers. We have access to NO, TLM and Byzantine liturgy in our town so we go to all of them and just emerse our kids in it.

[@mayday24916]

I'm new to the Catholic faith (I did RCIA and was confirmed last year), and it has been shocking to learn that the majority of Catholics don't seem to understand their faith at all. Just a few years ago I was an atheist, but now, as a new Christian, I know more theology than Catholics who've been in the faith since childhood.

[@michelleg7]

No its how much you want to learn, the catholic church teachings are massive

[@necromancersorcerer2196]

Oh you mean Mother Natalia, Matt? 😁 Would be nice to have her back and share her reflections while on a week ‘retreat’ in the chapel, with the Lord, after her perpetual profession ☺️

[@talionthe.ranger2863]

I read the way of the pilgrim and it was one of the best books I have ever read. Now I am slowly getting back into studying Christianity and I plan on visiting the book again

[@crushtheserpent]

Fr. David Abernethy does a superb job of explaining the Desert Fathers. His series on the Ladder of Divine Ascent (St. John Climacus), St. Isaac the Syrian, St. John Cassian and the Philokalia is brilliant.

[@rickjohnson244]

The Way of the Pilgrim is one of my favorites. Have looked over the Philokalia and enjoyed what I read. Very intense, but came to the realization it was for monks.

[@junesilvermanb2979]

Please pray for me, Rick Johnson... Ask the LORD to heal me, and restore my health... ❤️

[@wer-o-Didache]

Just ordered the book. It will be the first book on my 2023 reading list. Looking forward to it.

[@jacobwmccoy]

What beautiful souls! ❤ I love needing out with you guys! Blessings in the highest!

[@AnaRamirez-qu8dy]

Matt Would you please try to interview a Discalced Carmelite nun??

[@anthonylangford7797]

I was introduced to the Way of a pilgrim as a young chap while staying a while in the English Carthusian monastery. Beautiful book.

[@gliderfs621]

I really would like to become byzantine/orient catholic, a way to become closer to the orthodox faith without leaving the Catholic Church which I love 🙏💖☦️

[@l-p0zu566]

on god bro

[@carmeister_]

@@l-p0zu566fr fr

[@MrHDE-ex6xl]

I would switch back and forth…best of both worlds 😉

[@helpIthinkmylegsaregone]

So, are you going to accept Thomism or Palamism? The Roman Church typically wouldn't let you know that, but those are actually contradictory theologies. It's the question of created Grace vs Grace as an uncreated energy of proper to God. The Roman Church essentially ignores that issue and says your theology doesn't really matter as long as you have allegiance to the papal office. They don't say that outright obviously, but that's what everything points to. The Orthodox Church also allows a Western Rite (but only Tridentine, none of the Novus Ordo stuff), but not two different theologies. You should look into it and be honest with yourself, but I think it boils down to whether you value tradition and theology more, or the universal jurisdiction of the pope. My problem with Eastern Catholic churches is that they treat what we call Orthodoxy as an aesthetic feature, which it isn't. If you step into an Orthodox Church, everything has meaning, everything has a point of reference that is ascribed to it. Our reverence is not an aesthetic thing, it's at the core of how we view Christianity.

[@AB-gn5yl]

you're always welcome from a Melkite Catholic

[@michaelaguilar7251]

Thanks for the Catena App recommendation.👍

[@sar2dg]

I'm a member of the Chaldean Catholic Church which is made up of Ethnic Assyrians which had branched off from the Church of the East. The Church of the East split from the "One Church" after the Council of Ephesus for alleged heresy (Nestorianism).

[@lukasrowlinhelcky5731]

Much respekt to you Brother or sister, your people are the truth!!!

[@anoojjames]

Anaphora of Addai-Mari

[@SevenDeMagnus]

our eastern catholic siblings (shortcut for brothers and sisters) which are different from the orthodox church of course, their sign of the cross goes to the right first (but that was actually the original way to do it). God bless, Revelation 21:4

[@Gfj1978]

“I’m not gonna slap you…. Because I’m a nun.” I love it 🤣🤣

[@kjaye2766]

Anybody have any suggestions on where to start on living out a more “eastern” Catholic faith when the closest Byzantine church is 3 hours away? Currently RC but have been drawn to the eastern church since converting from atheism

[@Mr24Acdcfreak]

I'm here trying to do the same. I'm RC but I've had a recent fascination with eastern Christianity

[@thomasbegley630]

Yeah me too but it’s because of the Eucharist where you get both the bread and wine and not just the bread. If maybe they would dip the bread in the wine when receiving I’d be ok with that.

[@DigitalLogos]

A year later, but, look up Fr. Dave Abernethy's Philokalia Ministries podcast. He delves into the practices and teachings of the Philokalia which will help you start praying and utilizing watchfulness to live that Eastern spirituality. Also, just get some icons. That's what I started with and have now returned to.

[@mysticalc.o.g.6678]

Try the ByzCath forums, plus the Eastern Catholic subreddit. There are also a number of Byzantine Catholic Churches that stream their Divine Liturgies online so you can attend from a distance.

[@mysticalc.o.g.6678]

@@thomasbegley630 It's called intinction (where you dip the host in the wine) and Roman Catholic churches have the option to do so but it's super rare. My church does it but only if you get communion at the communion rail (yes they still have one but it's optional).

[@highground3609]

Sayings of the desert fathers is my favorite

[@collegesuccess]

01:59 min. mark. Those who wrote the Philokalia ! To Matt's defense, the reason that I started by diving in to the Way of the Pilgrim and the aforementioned book was because I found myself in a world in which I was surrounded by hard-core pagans: A Real Desert in the City! +Peace+ 😃

[@DigitalLogos]

I've been interested in the East for the past few years, set it aside after being convinced by sedevacantism, and now that I'm growing tired of the trad infighting I'm taking the East more seriously again. The Fathers, the Philokalia, the Jesus prayer all just 'click' for me. I went to my first Divine Liturgy today and found a lot to love.

[@janettedavis6627]

I hold it Francis is head of the Novus Ordo Church not the Roman Rite Church that came down the line from the Apostles. No Church was like the Tridentine Rite it had the Greatest Saints. Unfortunately Novus Ordo Laity are more like Rats following a Pied Piper rather than Sheep following their Shepherd.

[@rfs103]

I got that app, so much content

[@minisinthehallshorts]

Please spell the app for me. Can't find it. Thanks

[@aaronmueller5802]

@@minisinthehallshorts Catena

[@amyraab8326]

❤❤❤

[@brickbears]

Has any one of you ever read “Everyday Saints” ? It is a Russian orthodox monk writing stories about the monastery, the monks, and their battles with the communists? I know it doesn’t really have anything to do with theology but it is a really good book.

[@calebsons9055]

Dear Matt , thank you for the videos with Mother Natalia. I have referenced them in my investigation of Eastern Catholicism, but would welcome your input on the issue (Roman/Latin Catholicism moving over to Eastern), based on your own experience. Is there a segment or video that you address this question? Thank you for your apostolate!

[@Oaktreealley]

im pulled toward the catholic church. (Im Eo so would enter via Byzantine church.) But i'm scared about how much tradition has been stripped away from the roman liturgy. How did bishops allow this to happen? How has the eastern church been able to escape these radical changes? i know v2 established they should return to their tradition, which is great. But what would happen if there was some other council that changed the liturgy?

[@mcspankey4810]

Go to a Latin mass and you’ll be like .0.

[@Oaktreealley]

@@mcspankey4810 id love to... the nearest one is 3 hours away.

[@gillianc6514]

May I suggest you stick with the massive disappointment of Eastern Orthodoxy...... being drawn to the clarity, logic and brightness of traditional Catholicism is actually a fairly normal part of being Orthodox, you need a good spiritual father to talk with about this... Also before you look at Byzantine Catholicism, see it at work in Eastern Europe, side by side with Orthodoxy, it may leave you feeling uncomfortable. I am not denigrating the great work of Matt and Mother Natalia, they have their work to do in Christ, I just sense that whatever you are feeling right now is part of your journey deeper into Orthodoxy.

[@Frankly7]

May I suggest pursuing the clarity and brightness of Catholicism. Despite certain liturgical reforms, our traditional liturgy is very much alive! Don't be offput by the presence of the novus ordo when there are other options within Catholicism. And don't listen to people here who say it doesn't matter or that sticking with Orthodoxy is just as good. Put your search for truth above all else and act accordingly. God resides with the faithful, and faith requires truth.

[@mathewsbiju3251]

@Hyperborean Futurism And exactly what heresy?...

[@tannerrichards8287]

I would love to ponder the idea of transferring from Latin Rite to Byzantine rite but unfortunately the closest Divine Liturgy is an hour and a half minute drive from where I live and they only do it once a month because the priest is a Ukrainian Catholic priest from Chicago.

[@avechristusrexx]

🙌

[@fatherson6022]

Well I'm not gonna slap you I'm a nun lol 😂 classic!

[@eddiegerwer01]

In the thumbnail image, what is the bracelet called??? Where can I buy 1?

[@regandonohue3899]

It's called a chotki, you could probably buy it online.

[@otaku4Gaijin]

I bought mine from Etsy. It was tailor-made, knot-wise, to fit my wrist. The seller was out of Greece.

[@AndrewKendall71]

I always heard "text without context is pretext." That works too. I'm also concerned that the emphasis seems to be that, without some degree of understanding deep theology, one cannot be a good Christian. I am a theologian and find theology exceedingly important in the church. But, there are truly saved people the world over who are not 2nd class citizens of the Kingdom for their lack of a bookshelf filled with the fathers.

[@georgek.3093]

For some reason, i cannot find the App that was mentioned.

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Likewise *Edit* The app is called "Catena"

[@georgek.3093]

@@InhabitantOfOddworld much appreciated and God Bless You☦️

[@yabotiloccurs]

I'm maronite catholic

[@truelight8550]

Can't find this APP - Cantina? Kantina?

[@ryrocks9487]

Catena

[@JayRedding12_12]

When are these writings of the desert fathers from? First century or post Skizim?

[@Malygosblues]

Off the top of my head, I think it's soon after Nicea. The explanation I was given was that since the legalization of Christianity, there was no (or at least no state sponsored martyrdom). As a result, many saints sought a way to still find the unworldly, detached life. The Desert Fathers like St. Anthony of Egypt did this by living far away from cities that might give rise to sin and worldliness. Just looked it up. It seems to hover right around that pre-post Constantine era

[@kayedal-haddad]

What’s the difference between Eastern Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy?

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

Eastern Catholics are in Communion with the Bishop of Rome (the Pope) Eastern Orthodox Christians are not. Both are great branches of Christianity, and Byzantine culture is amazing.

[@Pb-nutts]

The Orthodox Church is the only true church established by Christ. There is no such thing as branches, Christs body isn’t divided. The eastern Catholics folded and sold them selfs out for money and went under the Papists. They want to live and breath orthodoxy but want to call them selves Catholics. Terrible delusion.

[@javaman8895]

@@Pb-nuttswhat exactly is the Orthodox Church?

[@karolinaska6836]

Mr. Natalia?! 🤓

[@Prismatic_Truth]

Appreciating and understanding the Eastern Fathers requires sharing their mindset, what we in the Orthodox Church call the Orthodox _phronema._ This is almost entirely absent from Western Christianity.

[@dwightschrute900]

Wrong

[@dwightschrute900]

@OrthodoxyChloroQuine Yes

[@dwightschrute900]

@OrthodoxyChloroQuine Please Provide where Rome currently says its heretical. Because from my memory, Saint John Paul II encouraged Prayers to Saint Gregory Palamas. At the end of the day, it was misunderstanding between both Churches

[@ryrocks9487]

@@dwightschrute900Because every disagreement is just a misunderstanding in your Postmodern worldview. Who’s Holy Fathers were in delusion?

[@Theosdei]

@@dwightschrute900 I have many friends who are a\ part of latin rite and they actually condemn St.Gregory Palamas and his writings as heretical and eastern catholics are actually hold his veneration individually.

[@jeromelim9771]

Title typo: from 'Mr.' to 'Ms.' Natalia ? 😅

[@deejaythedeejay]

I know I'm late but Mr is short for Mother. I got confused too 😂

[@mhhmulaty5158]

I prefer reading The mystical City Of God. Written Down by venerable sister Maria of Agreda under guidance of the Holy mother Mary . where our mother tell her. Live story from her immaculate conception till her crowning in heaven.

[@junesilverman8154]

Mary of Jesus of Ágreda

[@mysticalc.o.g.6678]

Wonderful book, and one of my faves (as my names suggests) but it's not Eastern Catholic. :)

[@saturnFIV3]

Origen rules, fave church father.

[@ant1724]

Monks lived in the desert?

[@roguedisciple5961]

Oh, yeah. St. Anthony started the tradition.

[@aeo17948]

Most of them, but the desert also means fighting passions and other similar things

[@thefiringsquadtfs6392]

Not everyone is an Airbender

[@mikewrasman5103]

???

[@antowngeorgemansour5632]

The first tide (generation) of the monastic life was the fathers of the desert. And still the monks live in the desert, i mean not all of them, but there are many still living in the desert.

[@mathewsbiju3251]

Is it normal for eastern Catholics to say that the pope does not have full authority over the eastern churches? I know an eastern catholic who says this or something along the lines of this that.

[@mikewrasman5103]

No! The Eastern Catholic churches are fully in communion with the Holy See! There are 23 Eastern Catholic churches.

[@lukasrowlinhelcky5731]

They just have a stronger mentality to the traditions, they don't sell their souls, if the pope talks more about rainbow flags than lent.. You know true believers

[@yosiyyahu.bar.stephen]

“I’m not going to slap you, because I’m a nun.” ☠️☠️☠️

[@manuelvargas467]

Jesus bless you sister and bless virgin Mary 🙏🛐✝️

[@lukasrowlinhelcky5731]

East will always be the closest to god, through traditions and origins

[@bethmcmullan9872]

I get the impression she might be a bit...intense...to live with.

[@janettedavis6627]

I'm no wiser watching this as to where I could get these books She seemed very vague. . Please be more clear and more detailed. Thank you. I will track a Byzantine Church.

[@33jewjewish64]

Aka coping and larping

[@InhabitantOfOddworld]

Cope and seethe, jew

[@hempenasphalt1587]

Coping and larping into Paradise lol

[@reverendcoffinsotherson5807]

​@@hempenasphalt1587 lol, nice.

[@user-ck5pc3vh5n]

@@InhabitantOfOddworldNice response! Call the grabblers out, especially making a mockery of the True Faith.

[@traviswilson36]

This nun is not likeable at all.

[@theguyver4934]

Why ?