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3 жыл бұрын

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@marclajeunesse9635
@marclajeunesse9635 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay that was great ! Very detailed and and lots of information .
@SCAudiophile
@SCAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Bravo on the in depth look at positives and negatives from your experience!!!
@learnguitarat6043
@learnguitarat6043 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Jay - love the reviews. Honest and straight from the shoulder. Plus, you bring up points that many would not think of - real world points that have meaning once you own the speakers. I subscribed for these reasons.
@sinclabs
@sinclabs 3 жыл бұрын
Well done. Enjoyed this. Cheers!
@gme10955
@gme10955 3 жыл бұрын
Great reviews. Thanks for being straight up and honest.
@anthonyaguilarv1
@anthonyaguilarv1 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay, incredible review, great work ! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
@sebastianmirbach
@sebastianmirbach 3 жыл бұрын
best review in a long time! really enjoyed it!
@mdenny264
@mdenny264 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your inside View. Sometimes a brand is out when you don't get a great service.
@bkatbamna
@bkatbamna 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your honesty. I've found your channel just a few days ago and really enjoy your views and honesty on high end audio.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Please share my channel
@jamesgilgannon4164
@jamesgilgannon4164 3 жыл бұрын
Great review Jay! Thank you.👍😁
@blackhawk3498
@blackhawk3498 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay! Verify informative information, I appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving
@xeniavader
@xeniavader 2 жыл бұрын
this is great!!!!!!!!!! I have Wilson WP6. I thought they were broken until I moved them into the right spot in the room. Literally a few millimeters made a world of difference. Agree with the shouty mids. You are right on the money with this review.
@exupgh123
@exupgh123 3 жыл бұрын
love this video, good points on all reviewed speakers. thank you
@is1dre
@is1dre 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Jay - Love your honesty!
@daveclark9904
@daveclark9904 3 жыл бұрын
Jay; nice review with very insightful comments & evaluations. After fifty years of the high end (including Audio Note, Krell, Classe, Apogee Grands, Magico M5s, etc), we've ended up with custom ordered silver internals 5 wpc PX25 Art Audio and Avantgarde Duo Grossos. Beautiful; amazing...
@moran2354
@moran2354 3 жыл бұрын
Jay; outstanding review across all speakers that you have shown, your review is exemplary beyond any other, super thanks
@shaynakash4222
@shaynakash4222 3 жыл бұрын
very informative jay thank you.....
@alb.1911
@alb.1911 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to have found your channel, I enjoy your videos. Great work!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
@dennispalmer1197
@dennispalmer1197 3 жыл бұрын
Very Good video . Great descriptions and comparisons
@athathsonty2925
@athathsonty2925 3 жыл бұрын
Not only extremely illuminating, this Video is highly educative, a Master lesson on what All to look for, to look out for. Most Gripping 40 Audio Minutes in a long time.
@paulc7572
@paulc7572 2 жыл бұрын
One of the most truthful and honest reviews I heard on speakers on KZbin yet
@capezyo
@capezyo 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Jay
@tommiller2579
@tommiller2579 3 жыл бұрын
Beholding to no one - speaking from experience - telling truth - Integrity! Thanks Jay!
@giuseppelazzarotto2749
@giuseppelazzarotto2749 3 жыл бұрын
Great, as usual!
@aoz823
@aoz823 3 жыл бұрын
Your segment on magic, is the kiss of death for me, if I was to ever consider magico speakers......
@naikrosh
@naikrosh 3 жыл бұрын
Great rant on magico repair shipping issues
@joeycastillo1496
@joeycastillo1496 3 жыл бұрын
This was a informative review. If one is spending that much dough, you want to get your money’s worth! Truly in the end, it is what you like that will make you stay and listen for hours.
@balduraan
@balduraan 3 жыл бұрын
Dude, you are the best!!
@henni1964
@henni1964 2 жыл бұрын
Awesome review! Love the extraordinarily honest cons! 🙂 Btw i love my well aged "3a Audio Design Midi Master" monitors (no crossovers), i really do. 💝
@Telemed911
@Telemed911 3 жыл бұрын
interesting take - good job! I Love my Wilson DAWs. PERIOD
@ckmartinez
@ckmartinez 3 жыл бұрын
Wow Jay, what an AMAZING and COMPREHENSIVE comparison of 4 major speakers. Have to say your honest and insightful critiques track exactly with what I'm hearing. This review is unlike ANY speaker review I've ever heard and incredibly helpful. You are THE SITE and DA MAN for anyone interested in audio at this level:) Can't wait to hear what comes next. Keep up the great work and many, many thanks.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@rdoogie71
@rdoogie71 3 жыл бұрын
I'm living the dream through you. I see these speakers in magazines and wonder which one I'd get if I had the resources. Thanks for taking the time to put this together, I enjoyed it.
@supabayes3284
@supabayes3284 3 жыл бұрын
Love this video!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks !
@polymusegal
@polymusegal 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your brutal honesty! So Looking forward to what you bring in next.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure Shannon
@skip1835
@skip1835 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion - this is a GREAT video - it's an amazing comparison review between some of the greatest "heavy hitters" in our hobby - the insights you spoke about, the unabashed criticisms, the pro and con approach, all of it is so welcomed - and rant away Jay, I really felt you were being completely honest which is all any of us could ask for, certainly fine by me - - - of a surprise to me, you're description and satisfaction for the 20.7's, I mentioned before that I don't take you for a "maggie guy" and that doesn't mean that you are so yeah, I do get that you're referencing your comment about it in it's particular price category, bang for the buck, as it were but I also think that your assessment of them is "nuts on" - - I don't mean to say it over and over, but I sooo appreciate what you're doing, thank you Jay.
@kjbiz
@kjbiz 3 жыл бұрын
Good review thanks
@rcarloz
@rcarloz 3 жыл бұрын
What do you think about the Wilson Sabrinas for medium room? I heard them once and they sounded neutral to me. Great video Jay. Love your insight!!!
@KT88gs
@KT88gs 3 жыл бұрын
A very honost talk Jay,you are right about Wilson carpet! And ofcourse Magico...
@michaelmcallister5522
@michaelmcallister5522 2 жыл бұрын
New to the channel, dig the video great job man.
@alainthomas6449
@alainthomas6449 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent I like your comment. Thank you
@davidrivera2165
@davidrivera2165 3 жыл бұрын
Jay took the gloves off, and slapped WA and Magico. Love it. I've had limited listening exposure to the Sasha DAWs, The Stella, and the M3, but not in my home. As such, I highly value Jay's assessments. My own evaluation on personal limited experience was WA Alexias my favorite, Focal's Stella Utopia evo close behind, Sasha DAWs third place, Magico M3 technically impressive ,but not captivating in last place. I can't comment on Maggies 20.7 as I've never heard them in person, tough I' ve listened to smaller size Maggies. I bow to Jay's evaluation as he had extended exposure in his own dedicated room with quite good acoustics. Thanks Jay.
@user-im3ry3it7e
@user-im3ry3it7e 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you
@audiofetish
@audiofetish 3 жыл бұрын
That was an excellent and honest analysis of your experience with these speakers ,a rare think in social media in general....so what is next ? An eggleston Viginti perhaps ?
@geofftucker3846
@geofftucker3846 2 жыл бұрын
But what do you think about the carpet on the front of Wilson speakers, I would be interested to hear your opinion.
@fredgilreath6062
@fredgilreath6062 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your insight into these speakers-very very helpful!!!! I heard the 40th anniversary Focal's with M400's, Rossini, & D'Agostino preamp & that was the best musical experience with equipment that I have ever heard! I think the cables were Nordost too (which I don't usually care for) but I could listen to that for hours. I have seen some videos on the Alsyvox speakers with the external crossovers & that sound seems to be the most real sounding speakers. Have you heard them before? I have the Alexia's now & it may be awhile before I can spend more but your videos are Very helpful!!!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
Never heard those speakers. Thank you for the comment
@manuelrico9455
@manuelrico9455 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent comments, I fully agree with you. My favorite are Focal Utopia although my dream are the MBL 101Xtreme omnidirectional loudspeakers and electronics, they play in a different league to the rest but it’s a million dollar setup.
@magicmulder
@magicmulder 2 жыл бұрын
Never heard the 101, just like Wilson’s top two (WAMM Master Chronosonic and XVX), those three are my unicorns; my favorites are the Bayz Audio Counterpoint 2.0 and the Sonus Faber Aida 2. Among the “affordable” ones, Scala Utopia Evo.
@manuelrico9455
@manuelrico9455 2 жыл бұрын
@@magicmulder Excellent loudspeakers too 👌🎼🎼🎼
@ac81017
@ac81017 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! I have full acoustic treatment in my room,I have mcintosh mc302, my room is 13.ft x 17ft, would a pair of maxx 2 work in my room?
@Thesurreyaudiofiles
@Thesurreyaudiofiles Жыл бұрын
Hi jay, Can I ask which ones would you pick?Wilson audio Sasha 2 or focal sopra 3 thank you
@peronnikbeijer213
@peronnikbeijer213 3 жыл бұрын
I recognize many features of my Magnepan LRS speakers, good story..
@wraspire
@wraspire 2 жыл бұрын
Jay, thanks for your honesty. It would be great if you can review Vivid Audio, Kharma and Stenheim speakers in the future
@ferdinandludo8851
@ferdinandludo8851 2 жыл бұрын
Great!! Wonder if the smaller Focal Scala Utopia evo similar to forgiving nature of the Stella?
@tdrizzy41
@tdrizzy41 3 жыл бұрын
Jay you seriously have the most thought provoking channel in highend audio. Very informative. Question for you my local dealer is selling a pair of pre-certified mint Alexia’s with a 3 year warranty for 23k. Should grab them or a brand new pair of 20.7’s?
@technics-n-thuiast8346
@technics-n-thuiast8346 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for a good and informative video. Very honest review of the speakers. Could you dissect Stellas electromagnetic power supply for the woofer a bit more? How it works and/or demo the difference between the 3 settings. Many thanks
@welkekutnaamdanwel
@welkekutnaamdanwel 3 жыл бұрын
Allways depends on combinations and room. When things are right Wilson anytime for me...
@bernard8029
@bernard8029 3 жыл бұрын
Love the real-world issues you raise,: re: 'Speakers are on loading dock. Get them picked up.'' Plus: Kids will poke tweeters... could you not throw in set of grills for $85K!
@VideoArchiveGuy
@VideoArchiveGuy 3 жыл бұрын
If you allow grandchildren anywhere near your stereo system, you get what you deserve. If they are your grandkids, make sure your kids know they will be paying to repair your speakers. If they won't, take them to court, get a judgement. Just never allow children anywhere near your speakers. Period.
@MissPalorte
@MissPalorte 3 жыл бұрын
Real world??? US $140,000
@michaelrhodes9178
@michaelrhodes9178 Жыл бұрын
Great video ❤❤❤
@wiratornr.3510
@wiratornr.3510 3 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed your reviews. Everything you mentioned was right on. I had a Sophia3 and I loved it. I had a Q3 Which I found it made the Sophia 3 sounded opaque. I own a Maggie 1.7i,3.7i and I absolutely agree with your Comments about it. I also agreed with you regarding Nordost+ Magico/Wilson.
@avneravi4200
@avneravi4200 3 жыл бұрын
I had a Q3 and a S3 MK2 - the Q3 were lacking Bass in a way it sounded like a portable radio and its tweeter was very harsh, the S3 was better in those regards, I finally have moved to a Wilson Alexia 2 speaker and it's day and night difference, the problem with Magico in my opinion is that sealed box making the speaker un-efficient at all, it doesn't make any sense putting a lot of amp into a speaker, even when you do that you still don't get that full body presentation you should have, current wilsons speakers are VERY open and detailed and have that mid-bass-bass extension, a clear winner in my opinion, it looks like it's in general Jay's opinion as well.
@monstermind1976
@monstermind1976 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Jay, could you spend a few words and include the Focal Scala Evo here? How far is it behind the Alexia 2? How far behind the Stella's?
@JDG1971
@JDG1971 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever heard the Kef Reference Model 4.2 played? I've had them for 15 years now and tried many others, but these speakers sound so good, I'll never get rid of them. If you have heavy amplification for them, then they sound really phenomenal. Thank you for your high-end videos and for the explanation. Top... Greetings from the Netherlands Limburg Maastricht and above all continue with High-end. 👍😉😘👌✌
@tansy007
@tansy007 3 жыл бұрын
Would you be trying any Vivid Audio speakers?
@enlitenaudio8689
@enlitenaudio8689 3 жыл бұрын
As an audio design company, it's rough to hear you rip key companies new a**holes. HOWEVER all sound truth and honest criticism from your highly refined viewpoint. You got balls Jay and hats off to you! We hate homogenized reviewing and appreciate this true high end freak's honesty.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
I'm trying to put it bluntly. I'm sick of hearing the same stupid reviews over and over again
@KG-pt4gb
@KG-pt4gb 3 жыл бұрын
I love your rant about Magico not helping to ship/return their products. You are spot on that if Mercedes can have customer service like they do for a $35k car, then you should get white glove service BOTH WAYS for you $90k speakers...
@NickP333
@NickP333 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for such a fantastic review of those 4 speakers, Jay. I really appreciate the detail and honesty you went into in your descriptions of them. One thing that really kinda stuck out to me was Magico’s cost of a single f’n tweeter (not including labor) and return policy, but it’s not like I’m gonna be buying a pair anytime soon, but still... Christ, even my Volvo dealer gave me a loaner car for a couple days. Thanks again, Jay.
@cupofteaplease
@cupofteaplease 3 жыл бұрын
Jay quite agree with you regarding Magico simply shocking having to send speaker back just to replace tweeter is bonkers and your analogy with Marcedes is spot on both high value items should have better customer service then that ,would definitely put me off buying Magico even if i could afford too.Dont get me started on the lack of grilles either. nice review. cheers
@Smood47
@Smood47 3 жыл бұрын
Jay any plans on getting YG sonja 2.3 or XV Jr ?
@turkandproud69
@turkandproud69 2 жыл бұрын
I own a pair of maestro evo with a pair of 212sx and a pair of S812. Love it
@peronnikbeijer213
@peronnikbeijer213 3 жыл бұрын
That rant about he carpet is epic!
@9999blackops
@9999blackops Жыл бұрын
As with the Stella’s, the new PS audio FS20 I’m reviewing are so smooth without killing the audiophile bits. The imaging is fantastic. Love this presentation. Reviewed it with the 866 …..
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Жыл бұрын
Cool
@ToolsAndI
@ToolsAndI 3 жыл бұрын
I don't think the disappearing act on the Magico's is due to rounded edges. I have had many different speakers, less expensive than what you are presenting here, and the Totem Acoustics Hawks are what I consider a Houdini speaker. They vanish away, they put out a soundstage that it is unheard of for such a small and inexpensive speaker. The presentation is holographic and tridimensional; it seems like the music is coming out from the wall behind the speakers. Definitely my favorite speaker up to a 5K budget. That said the enclosure design of the Hawks is very simple, reason for which I think there is something else involved with the disappearing act. Awesome system!!!!
@dougg1075
@dougg1075 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I had that problem.. thinking my Wilson’s are hideous with the grills off.
@mrlinde6518
@mrlinde6518 2 жыл бұрын
Have you had any Sonys Faber reference speakers in your room?
@Telemed911
@Telemed911 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with you about Nordost speaker cables - they are great in some settings, but not a good fit for Wilson Audio speakers.
@anandshah71
@anandshah71 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Jay did you hear the LX521 If yes what’s your take
@raymaksimavicius4902
@raymaksimavicius4902 Жыл бұрын
Hi Jay. What a great review and a wealth of knowledge. I like the Maggie's of the four. Im just wondering if you will do a review of my favorite speaker the Vandersteen model 7 extreme at 84000$ I have been told they are absolutely like listening to live music which this hobby is all about. Let me know. Thx
@stateniland
@stateniland 2 жыл бұрын
LOVE my DAW's, Spectral and MIT = MUSIC AT IT'S BEST
@Oneness100
@Oneness100 2 жыл бұрын
what's the ceiling height in your room?
@donaldbryant5295
@donaldbryant5295 3 жыл бұрын
Great review... Hope your waiting for some Tektons
@justogarcia175
@justogarcia175 6 ай бұрын
What your reference subwoofer(s)?
@davidrusso4750
@davidrusso4750 2 жыл бұрын
The purpose of the absorber is to control DIFFRACTIONS - not reflections. First used by AR speakers in the late '70s and early '80s. For the record - I have NEVER HEARD A MAGOO (Magnepan) IMAGE
@n.lyndley.9889
@n.lyndley.9889 Жыл бұрын
The Emporer’s New Clothes! For forty years I’ve devoured magazine reviews, visited shows, dealers and waded through the internet. The whole industry, including journalists, seems invested in never speaking their truth. I’ve listened to multi-hundred thousand dollar systems that sound flat as a pancake. And no-one utters a word. Finally - balanced, real-world feedback…. with an opinion. Finally.
@hlt241372
@hlt241372 2 жыл бұрын
I would love to hear your take on Legacy Audio's top tier speakers. Well done on this post.
@erickallage
@erickallage 3 жыл бұрын
jay, have you looked into any other open baffle speakers outside of the magnepans and martin logans ? such as spatial audio or otherwise ?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
No
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 3 жыл бұрын
Technically Maggies and MLs aren't open baffle speakers as they have no baffle. They are known as panel speakers.
@DBTAudio
@DBTAudio 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab Your video was fun and engaging! You keep it real the way I like to hear it from a reviewer. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on open baffles designs such as Spatial Audio X series and Pure Audio Project Quintet 15’s. I have a pair of Spatial Audio X5’s and they smoke! Not a lot of deep bass, but the instruments sound very real! They need about 200+ hours of break in before you start to judge them.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
@@DBTAudio i am not planning on going open baffles anytime soon...
@DBTAudio
@DBTAudio 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab Cool... I’ll keep my eye open for future videos on the new Alexx! Thanks
@SCAudiophile
@SCAudiophile 3 жыл бұрын
Time to get a pair of Legacy Aeris for the 25K and under test, then Legacy Valor in the Reference category 😃
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 3 жыл бұрын
Agreed I've felt for a long time that Legacy has a negative affordability bias against them ... ie., lack of due respect ... they punch way above their price point. Bill Duddleston, yes, his Kung Fu is good indeed.
@theaudiophilecorner
@theaudiophilecorner 3 жыл бұрын
High Pile felt.
@Royalorgans
@Royalorgans 3 жыл бұрын
Why not test the Focal Evo 3 Utopias. They ate suppose to have everything of the Focal Stellias and more
@howardmallory3288
@howardmallory3288 2 жыл бұрын
So why don't you try the magnapan speakers on your new equipment?it would be interesting to hear.
@johns9904
@johns9904 3 жыл бұрын
Focal speakers inverted tweeter doesn't ring or fatigue the ears like the B&W speakers.
@fabieneldridge3414
@fabieneldridge3414 Жыл бұрын
I appreciate your Honest opinion. As much as these speakers cost it could pay to listen here. Thanks
@bhupendraparekh6225
@bhupendraparekh6225 3 жыл бұрын
Magnepans for me, you end it there,
@johnadams9044
@johnadams9044 3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying your justified 'rants' about speaker shortcomings. It all had to be said! Right on, Jay!
@888Prosper
@888Prosper 3 жыл бұрын
Jay I would love to hear your thoughts on goldenear Triton reference and tekton design Ulfberdts. Much cheaper price points and newer players to the market. It would good to see how they compare to these higher priced models
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
You might get your wish real soon 🙂!!!
@888Prosper
@888Prosper 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab can't wait!!
@KirkLazurus
@KirkLazurus Жыл бұрын
would love Jay's opinion on the B&W 801 & 802 D4.
@tggonzales7971
@tggonzales7971 3 жыл бұрын
No nonsense reviews, and got to respect that. Jay, how about some of the big, active ATC’s, like SCM 100 or 150? They are almost in my price range, and would love to hear your impressions of them. Thanks and keep up the good work.
@markspencer6609
@markspencer6609 Жыл бұрын
What do you think of legacy
@xsamitt
@xsamitt Жыл бұрын
wow!!!!!
@datka3
@datka3 3 жыл бұрын
Jay how about ML unless I missed it I don’t remember you talking about them , Ml has followed advantages over Maggie based on your review: 1. Requires much less power to play 2 Requires less space 3 . Most likely can play better in the lower registers 4 . I enjoy listening to ML with low volume, actually this is first speaker that made low volume acceptable to me , 5 built in anthem room correction is very cool feature that none of these speakers have
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
They will always have a place in my heart. Logans are great
@CaptRobH
@CaptRobH 9 ай бұрын
Very very impressive loudspeakers, even by just standing next to them. I witnessed another pair ( set of 3 (!) ) for a Chinese customer at Kharma factory. … with 3 pcs of matching Subs…🧐 The fit & finish is abs off the scale In their listening room, with just a cup of coffee, and those loudspeakers delivering music…. 😇 They deliver Sooo effortlessly, they just fill the room with a performance, not only with sound. Almost scary… Then I bought the DB7 signature. ( at 5% of the price of the big boys… Still a lot of money for a working man… And still a magnificent loudspeaker, albeit a little less magnificent 😉
@bikemike1118
@bikemike1118 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting views ! I do like the looks of Wilsons very much, but you‘re right about the „carpet“/ foam material which also degrades over time.
@jonandreberntsen3680
@jonandreberntsen3680 Жыл бұрын
Great work 👍 all that gear.....and your audio is clipping.....just had to do it......
@joelowens5211
@joelowens5211 3 жыл бұрын
Have you ever listened to MBL speakers? Not the 250,000 pair but the 70k pair next level down. Thoughts on those?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 3 жыл бұрын
I have but i think that speaker takes time getting used to. It's like you driving a sports car all your life and now you have a family so you need to drive a SUV...takes time getting used to driving a truck
@joelowens5211
@joelowens5211 3 жыл бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab Thanks. I have an 11 by 12 foot room now. I have the monitor audio platinum MK 2's. I have blue node streamer and prima luna tube dac. Speakers sound great technically but like the color more of ribbons or silk dome tweeters versus AMT . I like hearing more the emotion of the singer than the technicality. Speakers have 4- 8 inch bass drivers each. What I do not like about the speakers is no room correction options. I want to be able to dial back the bass some. Was thinking MBL might be a good fit. I bought my stuff through HIFI buys in Atlanta. Like you I do not care for aluminum tweeters. Very fatiguing, tinny sounding even high end ones, and hard to feel the music. You keep mentioning bluenode as a bad streamer. I thought the streamer just pushes through the music but the separate DAC makes the sound quality happen?
@VideoArchiveGuy
@VideoArchiveGuy 3 жыл бұрын
Every MBL I've heard has a great soundstage but has been ridiculously, PAINFULLY bright.
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