Magico M6 : What are the CONs of owning this speaker?

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[@briansellden6115]

"It will shake you down and look in your pockets to see if you have any money left." That is brilliant :)

[@Jfwr2010]

Jay you made some great observations that can not only apply to the M6, but many other high-end speakers. You really made me reflect on how I can apply your insights to my system as well. Thanks for your great thoughts and reflection!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Thats all i can ask for Jeff...thank you

[@aoz823]

As another m6 owner, I agree with your assessment - this is a “ big boy” , experienced audio fool, kind of speakers, for a guy/gal who has had several other top brands , but is now ready for the ultimate tool in music reproduction.

[@jaysaudiolab]

I'm glad we agree.

[@hushpuppykl]

Your approach to your videos is just real. It’s fun. Appreciate it!

[@jaysaudiolab]

THANK you

[@hushpuppykl]

@@jaysaudiolab ... audiophile fuse ... power cables matter a lot ... I’m not a huge fan of it but I keep an open mind. Fortunately, the detractors aren’t around. 😂🤣 Wish can listen to you system and see what the difference is like. 😬👍👍

[@marclajeunesse9635]

Bravo Jay !! Yes room size is the most expensive and most important part of your sound system . Matching speakers to your room is an art form . It would be interesting to see these speakers in a bigger room with COMPLETELY different results .

[@walterpen371]

This is why I have to continue buying lottery tickets.

[@adriantatum1673]

Jay, how would the Magico M6 compare to the Wilson Audio Alexx V?

[@wiratornr.3510]

I totally get it. I have owned a big Q Series for almost ten years. I understand all the pro and cons that you described. Till today, I still be able to improve it bit by bit.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Interesting

[@wiratornr.3510]

@@jaysaudiolab It has always been fun, but financially disastrous for me. The wall outlets, cables, racks, supports, all are matter. Previously drove them with Mephisto Stereo happily, but now by MOON 888.

[@gojdartamas34]

Thank You Jay, great video, that’s hy I quit high end , because I dont have time for this kind of pain, I’m hedonist , I love the music, I’m not surgeon😜

[@ckmartinez]

Jay, these are just THE ALL TIME BEST REVIEWS ever in the high end audiophile world! They are unlike anything else available and demystify and educate so much of the “hype” all of have to sort through. You’ve made me fall in love again with being an audiophile and the journey you take us on helps me figure out how I eventually want to progress my future systems. Many, many heartfelt thanks:). BTW, you work CRAZY HARD doing this and want to completely recognize and appreciate that!!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Thanks Chuck

[@christopherrichardson5352]

Well done Jay!!! As so many have said here already you get right to the heart of the matter with your reviews. You explain things in simple terms that anyone can understand and I for one truly appreciate your efforts. Keep up the great work and I hope that you get every last "issue" figured out so that you can get the most musical presentation that those incredible speakers are capable of. Cheers. 👍🙂

[@sux2bu883]

Jay what kind of music do you listen to. Is there a particular song or two that made you realize something needs to be corrected ? Or was it things you were now hearing because the Magico's are so revealing ? Thanks for posting your experience.

[@syedrhaque765]

Thanks you for a non commercial, honest candid review. Yes in most cases any ultra high end speaker system will not perform to its potential with sub par electronics but now we know that those Magicos particularly are 'not your friend' :). So still your input is invaluable. Id say though that yes for the speaker of this size your room IS small.

[@johncourtright1632]

Great content Jay!! First time on the channel! Subscribed. I just attended AXPONA over the weekend and heard some great music produced by some great audio systems! (I also heard and enjoyed the Magico M6's kid brother, the S3 at the show.) What I have always found challenging, is when a so-called "affordable" speaker system is paired (at the show or in a showroom), with amplification and other electronics that is 10 times as expensive. In that case, it's impossible to know what they would sound like in your home with your existing components. When you have high-end speakers like the M6 which are nearly $200K, you're likely going to need to upgrade EVERYTHING to get the most out of them. But when you do... oh my!! That's some serious fun!!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Welcome aboard!

[@steve6465]

Looking forward to seeing the new family member Jay, my friend has KEF Blade's moved them into a smaller room lower ceiling and they were just horrible to listen to. Soon as they got moved back into a bigger room they sounded so good. Great video 👍

[@AbsoluteFidelity]

Definitely Blade 2s for smaller rooms. The Blade wont work in small rooms, makes them sound cheap.

[@joelnorris4064]

Great review! My Magico's gave me the same problem. Did the room over, changed 3 high end amps, got a new DAC, went through two voltage stabilizers. Put them in two different rooms. My best sound came with 12 foot ceiling in a 15 x 24 ft room. Needed a ceiling cloud and room dampening to catch rear reflections. They are very expensive speakers. I still have them in their crate for my next try at them. Good luck Jay!

[@markhampton7559]

Sounds like you need cables, with EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT shielding (probably copper) with the Magico's. Now Magico's have the carbon fiber built into the cabinet, to reduce internal EMI. Older versions used mostly aluminum, which using aluminum for shielding makes the sound bright. With the Magico's you probably want your cables to have more copper shielding, to give you a warmer sound. Does the speaker sound less bright is you listen closer to the speaker? If so, that tells you that your room is more of a problem.

[@khalid969]

Thank you for putting in the time. No one else does what you do.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Thank you sir

[@chrisselner5005]

Interesting video and definitely enjoyable. I heard these speakers at Munich expo 2019. I was really eager to hear them after all 9f the gushing press I had seen of them. Well, after 30 seconds I said, i don't know how to describe it, but it has the driest sound I've ever heard. Clarity, check. Detail check, but it just sounded well dry. I still to this day can remember how I felt. I stayed for about a minute more and said to my wife, let's go. Weird, I guess, but that's why hifi is great, so many flavors.

[@athathsonty2925]

Absolutely Gripping Video. Very Informative. Lesson learnt.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Thanks !

[@divertiti]

Jay, if you get the chance, would love to hear your thoughts on the Mola Mola Tambaqui dac that's being raved about.

[@Harambeburger]

100% Agree, been really excited to hear Jay's take on this DAC. Measures extremely well (which doesn't actually tell you much) but from how people are describing the sound it really has me interested.

[@alainthomas6449]

Jay very good comment at the end and really bravo for your all your the reviews

[@Darkmatterme]

If you are going to do something about room acoustics please let it be done by a professional. It is really difficult and measurements are necessary.

[@is1dre]

Thanks for this Jay. This confirms my suspicions. Basically if you want this speaker you might as well start from scratch. Just build the entire room and system around the speaker. Way too much work for me!

[@1997inspire]

And when you are done rebuilding there might not be any room for enjoyment.Stay away from this product unless you want to writhe in masochism .

[@fixall4ever]

Very nice video. I don’t have money like that. I bought Canton Reference 3 with linn organik DAC and linn 4200, hopefully I will not encounter same problem. receiving my setup tomorrow. very nice review.

[@lmff620]

Have you ever read the fable regarding the emporer’s new clothes? I get the feeling that the Magico speaker was made by the emporer’s tailor. No speaker should be that difficult to optimize and if it is, I suspect that the ancillaries are compensating for inherent flaws in the speaker.

[@ukaszmakowski7351]

Jay, please try Audiosolutions Vantage L Anniversary edition - you could very easily see that with Gryphon amps sound is able to be received purely and complete. Just a very modest and small advice 😉 Just to mention that I am just a pure sound lover not related with the brands or dealers - just a simple great sound fan 😉

[@stevewarner8686]

Wow! Saw a KZbin video Audiosolutions paired with Absolare amps.... blew me away!

[@johnhovanec6240]

Could it be that your mistaken brightness for warmth?just a thought, use metal clad wiring on your system, that should make a noticeable difference as well.cheers.

[@JLeeeP]

Magico M6: retail price $172,000. Actual cost: $1,311,000

[@martybrazill7935]

Every room can benefit from acoustic treatment. You are smart to invest in upgrading to more absorbers and diffusers.

[@glichasasha750]

You will have the same issue with the Focals. I know I had the issue. It even picked the time of day when everyone was doing laundry, etc to let me know that the power is no good. The way it tells you is, the tweeter becomes more sibilant and harsh.

[@dominiquedistefano]

I discovered you today, and man....I am really impressed, out of the box you are my favorite high end reviewer ! What you say is so clear and logical the way you explain the stuff is so right. Congrats to you Jay.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Thank you man

[@pennfootball71]

Can you bi amp them? I am thinking 2 pairs of mola mola mono blocks to try. Audionet Humbolts sound better than pass and use better caps and power supply.

[@peterc3143]

Jay sounds like a very knowledgeable sort of guy. Would love to sit down and have a chat with about audio

[@chrispytelomeres9863]

Maybe, that speaker is not for you. I feel like that thing is a money pit.

[@joachim5080]

Interesting stuff 👌

[@pkunz1]

What does Alon say about your room size?

[@ericharrelson2045]

Outstanding rundown.

[@joemiller5850]

Jay, was that a Constellation amp in the pic?

[@rohanthompson2240]

Incredible review!

[@joemiller5850]

Jay, bottom line, are the Wilson Alexx speakers a legitimate contender to the M6’s or does it leave them in the dust? Great stuff as always Jay. Thanks for the effort!

[@jaysaudiolab]

Different classes

[@shanediaz8298]

Aren't these Maverick's speakers as well?

[@davidchaney1690]

I have speakers that are very revealing. They're good at exposing the flaws in audiophile equipment. To hide the flaws in old low quality recordings, using natural sound equipment that still sounds good on revealing speakers can be a solution. You won't get the detail and accuracy. But having that option for poor quality recordings of good music makes sense. The music of the 1970's to 1990's was engineered for solid state natural sound equipment and that may be what it sounds best on, especially old rock recordings. The trick is finding a source for these recordings that doesn't get destroyed by a high end system.

[@frankverschoof8083]

Your'e feeling is correct: the room is too small. That's what a serious closed system does for You. Take a good look into diffusers and bass absorbing (Helmholz), there are good kits avalible. Conditioning: try a transformer 1:1 say 2 or 3 kW, that is one of the best and most simple ways to separate from the grid.

[@parlimage5050]

Hi Jay, I've look a some videos you did and the kind of gear you have. This, M series from Magico are like the Nagra, Audio Note, Spectral Audio and speaker wise, Reality Audio, Marten, are all, do things that no other brands can do. They are the last step for an audiophile on his journey. One has to understand each move, components interaction, and YES, they will let you know how stupid or not worthy of them you are quite fast. But, once dial in, NO OTHER electronics or speaker will do what they are capable of doing. Keep on...

[@mohammadwasilliterate8037]

1:-They hammer with clarity. As you would expect with such a speaker. 2:-They need high power because they sound so clear you can dump power in without distortion. 3:-Use a good amp as they reveal crap amps. Kind of what I would expect from a VERY clear speaker.

[@sheerenergy8602]

I know that Magicos speakers are very demanding from electronics. But do acoustic treatment of the room, especially first reflection points - left, right, back wall, celling, floor and less importand front wall behind speakers. After you fix that and still have too bright sound, you do start trying different electronics and cables. I had simmilar problem - corrected with first reflection points, other place to set speakers, less toe in, few cables and im home almost. Last problem is room size. I neeed a bigger room, cause my is really small.

[@robertbrown6911]

Hey, Jay. I love the vids. Have you given any thought to auditioning the DartZeel products, specifically the NHB-468 monoblocks. Michael Fremer (Stereophile and Analogue Planet) raves about them.

[@jaysaudiolab]

Yes but none available to me unfortunately

[@Justwantahover]

Put on Van Morrison "Into the Misty". A good test for your speakers and the room (and your ears).

[@tunex_]

What if you Tile the entire room?

[@amourtiger5018]

Magico A1... I think the piano sound will be very good. Is the texture of the string instrument less than that of speakers equipped with soft dome tweeter?

[@johnshaw359]

I like what you do and believe me I appreciate the effort it takes to set stuff up. I commented on the impression of glassiness with the Essence "sounding poor" especially on massed voices and crescendos which you appear to have heard it yourself. 2) I had left a KZbin message recommending that you use a power conditioner but removed it as I didn't want to upset you or take your channel somewhere you didn't want it going. I recommend Airlink Transformers from the UK, they will build and ship you whatever balanced mains transformer you need, and they can build you something that can supply as much current as your circuit breakers will allow with additional filtering if you want, the BBC and studios often use them. You could start using 240v if you don't already. Hip hip hooray.

[@bikemike1118]

Very true… for almost every high(est) end chain: it is a JOURNEY and no plug and play to make your system really SHINE, not simply play. Very well said 👍🏼. Those M6‘s might stress that issue even more….

[@jaysaudiolab]

You said it better than i did

[@hectoralvarez941]

Great video

[@dilbyjones]

One of the all time great speakers. For my $ Treat her even Close to right and you will be in a new world. I'll also say this. In electronics you have different ways to get to new solutions

[@moandy6533]

You need bryston 7 B monoblocks cubed 900 watts per channel 4ohms, or in one chassis 14B cubed if you decide to get these amps remember it will need minimum 500 hours burn to open them up, bryston gives them 100 hrs burn but that is not enough

[@edgarmisplaced7924]

Jay, love you channel! One of a kind, keep it going, please. Would love to see a pair of Maggie 30.7s' with Gryphon mono-amps!

[@JRadian]

This hobby is supposed to be fun..

[@GordonPyzik]

It is. Buts it's also a lot of work and disappointment. But if you ever get your system to sound unbelievable. It's worth it.

[@GordonPyzik]

Poer conditioner's suck. They rob the air and decays of the music. So. Less tone.

[@davidtullar7774]

"it's not here to be your friend". What the he%& does that mean?

[@Coronado-nz7wu]

So...it’s like dating a super model?

[@DrBroncanuus]

Jay, you need to tell us what time of day the critical listening tests are done.....as all Hifi systems sound so much better at night...

[@jaysaudiolab]

Mostly at night

[@VideoArchiveGuy]

Not if you have good power conditioning. I used to have "sounds better at night" syndrome until I ran everything through an AudioQuest Niagara 5000 (not even a 7000) and now it sounds just as good during the day as it used to only at night.

[@vicentvanmole]

Perhaps designer did not intend this speaker to be used in any house without an Anechoic chamber. Also special Gears have to be used to tame &/compensate for its short coming .However, u can tell your friends u have upgraded everything /buying every new gears to match with the speaker price .Just my cents called HiEnd gear

[@vernav6756]

If your power supply comes from a hydroelectric power plant, it's going to sound bright and harsh. Power conditioners can minimize this issue though. Coal-fired power plants put out the warmest and most analog sounding quality power. Nuclear power plants usually generate the most neutral sounding power. In order to get the best soundstage, the humidity level should be around 40% to 50% and make sure the system is around 250m above sea level.

[@cardtrix1970]

Hmmm...seems a little over-engineered to me. We shouldn't have to be concerned about the type of power plant/facility we use. I just want to be able to plug things in & have tbem...work. I don't want to be spending time analyzing stuff like that. Life is way too short.

[@meesmo4]

My system is powered by wind energy. The highs sound very airy and open indeed.

[@babuzo9744]

That's why i never appreciate Magicos ...too fussy loudspeakers that make you crazy to match with your gear , not friendly at all. there are much better options outta there.Thanks Jay for your great review. Can't wait to see next loudspeakers in your lab.Thanks mate !

[@martybrazill7935]

The M6 is one of the most "truthful" speakers on the planet. It's going to give back what you put in it upstream. There's nothing wrong with this approach. You just have to have the room and the system to support them.

[@GGray-gg4yn]

Ok, you talked me out of them !!

[@realguyoz]

For the cost of the speakers they should come with a qualified technician sorting out the issues you raised.

[@Justwantahover]

Maybe a 1.5 w single ended triod tube amp won't quite do it.

[@perfectsoundpursuit007]

Jay , you need power regenerator , this make highs ( and middles) soft and clean . Of course you loose dynamic , but i use ( after power regenerator ) Aq Niagara 5000 (with Hurricane cables ) , this provide peak in current for dynamic

[@guillaume95870]

And with 2 hegel H30 in mono mode ?

[@ΑΝΔΡΕΑΣΣΤΑΘΑΣ-η7θ]

Very nice bro system

[@Revelator2025]

You may Love her but from one man to another, she’s high maintenance. She’s pretty but is she really worth it?

[@decoryder]

Great video, as always. I think I'll make a wide berth around the Magico M6, I don't need another demanding mother in law, even though this one comes with woofers:)

[@audiohertz2341]

Heard them in different rooms , AlexxV is a no brainer vs M6 ...!

[@ΑΝΔΡΕΑΣΣΤΑΘΑΣ-γ2κ]

Very nice vibeo

[@epi2045]

If the room is too small you’re going to get compression issues. The only speaker I know that doesn’t care about compression are Magnepan’s.

[@stephenfleschler9682]

It is not the speaker for me! Thanks for the great review!

[@MrThuggery]

Seriously man WTAF are you on about?

[@hendriksanusi3263]

“If you buy magico m6 prepare for this” -jay- 😄

[@gasolin75]

Smaller version of the Magico M to match the size of your room

[@allenlee2670]

stromtank is what u need

[@dihydrotestosterone]

Clean up your room and it will sound better! Too many equipments on the floor.... I enjoy your videos a lot. 2 thumbs up 👍👍

[@renabot77]

Hi, Jay. Have you thought about Swiss gear like Nagra or Ch precision with M6? I have a friend of mine that used Nagra HD electronics and M6 speakers and he described as the best sound he have ever heard…thank you for your great videos

[@peter12266]

Your room is too bright.

[@williampearson4968]

Room size with correct diffusers and absorption panels helps pin point the best sound. All your expensive $$$ gear plus the Magico M6, but you fail to get the room right? How can you really judge the potential of a great system? You are right - deep pockets are required or do not even think about it!

[@jaysaudiolab]

That's exactly the learning experience

[@herrtrigger7220]

"I imagined this problem, then I imagined this would fix it, then I imagined it was all better." Learn about the cons of sighted listening. Ex. Your speakers' tweeters didn't reveal a 'failed' conditioner.

[@khaledakbar2125]

Next time when buying a thing let the technicians demo it 4u in their place ask them a lot of questions and check everything out no stones left unturned so that there will be no regrets 😂😂🤣

[@trekjudas]

It's not your imagination, your ceiling is in fact too low. For those speakers anyway.

[@itsrecordingman]

magico is so overrated - not impressed by what I've heard in person and your experiences add to my distaste of them

[@AbsoluteFidelity]

Rarely you would get to hear Magicos in their element because everything needs to be at its best. But when its in those environment, your tears would start rolling down from your eyes. From the sound and the few pennies you have left.

[@itsrecordingman]

@@AbsoluteFidelity lol I would agree with the last part of what you said - they're not bad speakers, but for me I do not like their presentation at any price and I certainly don't think they're worth what they cost. I have heard the a3 as well as the s3 mk ii and can only comment on those models specifically.

[@drbud5150]

Have you ever tried or heard upper line legacy audio speakers??might be a better fit for you??I have not heard Magico in person,my little town,and sourround bigger towns carry nothing from Magico.Or much hi end period.lol.nice vid though.Was curious about Magico.

[@moran2354]

For the room here is the deal this speaker requires at minimum of 100 cubic meter, that means more if possible with a 14 to 16 feet ceiling height - consult an acoustic expert. Engineer Mike, cheers and great show ... go to acoustics room size rather than changing electronics please; great try in every case, cheers; M

[@user-eh3qz4zv1o]

Canton Reference 1K, check them out!

[@SavageListener]

From the camera perspective, it looks like the room is too small and needs dampened surfaces.

[@marvinchang7077]

Enjoy and listen to the music, instead of none stop chasing, there is no end of this chase, and it will become self torturing! 😂

[@rodirish7787]

so sounds like its time to audition the MC1.25kw

[@mikesawtell9184]

Magico's very over rated. You should never need a video on the cons on an over $10K speaker system. Tannoy, ATC, Joseph Audio, etc., much more plug and play high end speakers and an audiophile doesn't need to have all this stress. I heard the Magico's at THE Show a few years ago and I did not understand the fuss. They may have been set up incorrectly but they were not impressive to say the least. This video while comprehensive and well done, tells you all you need to know.

[@joonwoo1]

Your comment about the room not enabling your speakers to shine reminds me of when I bought my KEF Blades. But what you should also keep in mind is that some of these big boy speakers require to try out different listening distance and also the distance between them. I used to listen to my former speakers 12 ft away and they were also 12-ish feet away from each other. After experimentation, I listen to them 16 feet apart and they are positioned 10 feet from each other. I know that experimenting on speaker placements can be complicated with speakers weighing 140lbs+ each but it’s even more critical on these big boy speakers than on « regular » big speakers. By the way, I’m using my KEF Blades with Audia Flight pre & power amp, really like those although much more modest in price than your gear. If you have the opportunity have a listen on those, they are very surprising and quite unique in their sound signature. Not better or worse than other high end equipment, just unique in what qualities they show. In high end equipment, after a certain price tag I feel there are very few flaws in almost all amplifiers and just different design and sound signature choices. These Audia Flight amplifiers are for sure offering something very different from other manufacturers for all things considered a reasonable price tag (around 20k-ish USD here in Europe)

[@les5309]

Jay, have you thought about trying the Pilium Hercules Monoblocks from Bulgaria on your M6 speakers?

[@mcaxz]

That's what I have with my S5 and sound unbelievable good.

[@pennfootball71]

Whole ceiling needs bass traps...8 foot tough and low

[@MarkSmith-rr8vk]

Wow! Stop making up excuses for that speaker. At that price point that speaker should be able to sing with any high current amplifier. No matter how big or small your Room is... Plain and simple.

[@sheerenergy8602]

Mark Smith You clearly dont know what you talking about. "...speaker should be able to sing with any high current amplifier." That can do any cheap to moderate priced speakers. Guy is complaining on brightnes in room which isnt acoustically treated at first reflection points. The more speakers are reaviiling the better they are. Its just that simple in hi-end. If you dont prepared for highest class electronics and acoustically treated room, you just dont buy to expensive speakers. It is simillar to cars. It isnt enough to have money to buy Ferrari, you have to be rich enough to upkeep and maintaince of that car. Fuel, tires, insurance, service etc. The better the speakers, the more demanding they are - especialy if they are big floor standers, cause not only they're demanding quality sound, they need also high current and low impedance handling ability.

[@MarkSmith-rr8vk]

@@sheerenergy8602 Sorry dude, if you know anything about a high end audio and acoustics treatment, you would know that reflection points don't affect brightness on a tweeter they cause distortion and fatigue in the sound.

[@sheerenergy8602]

@@MarkSmith-rr8vk Again you dont know what you talking about. Listen to Jays voice which he recorded in his room. The voice is very lively, bright. Ask him to record claps in that lively room and next after the treatment the first reflection points. And then check how it sounds. I have berillium tweeter myself which was bright. But after tretment of the room, it isnt bright any more. And Jays voice is from his mouth not the magicos tweeter. I prooved you wrong in every way. In first reflections you get damping part of the tweeter energy.

[@sheerenergy8602]

@@MarkSmith-rr8vk Fatigue is made by brightness, and you can damp it with treating first reflection points. Another damping fabric you can use is felt around a tweeter like in LS 3/5 and grills of the speaker.It also can change the sound from bright to warm and less fatiguing. Edit "No matter how big or small your Room is... Plain and simple." Again you wrong- it matter a lot how big the room is. The smaller the room the stronger reflections are and quicker reflections are. Its basics of acoustics. You're a grennhorn.

[@word2RG]

Dont worry, your room is pretty bad. The treatments will really turn it around for you. That isnt too much speaker, sizewize but you'd need brick walls and concrete foundation to do it justice. Youll eventually move away from big bass if you stay in that room. But thats ok, all part the journey.

[@dukeemzworth3005]

Finally, if nothing works ... it will tell you to change your wife.

[@walterpen371]

PREPARE YOURSELF!!! First of all lets get to the most important thing about purchasing hi-end audio equipment. The hi-end shop people should know whether you're serious and knowledgeable. Most important is confidence in knowing that they really care and will spend time with you. Asking you about your budget is one thing, but about the LISTENING ROOM?? They should know the correct package and then leave you to decide. If not confident, then WALK AWAY.