Porsche Newbie & Grumpy Journalist DISAGREE On the GT4 RS Cayman

[@sportzntouring]

How those opening shots are done... kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqDPgYxjoq2drdU

[@ChuckYuuu]

Subbed, keep making more GT4RS videos for everyone that can't get one

[@sportzntouring]

​@@ChuckYuuu we'd love to. If we can get this one back from Porsche's press fleet.

[@schweizer99]

A couple of remarks: a) you can have stitching in different color, like I have shark blue contrast stitching and shark blue seat belts :-) b) PCCB was for a long time not available and therefore, there are cars with steel brakes (like mine) and this is probably anyway the better choice for tracking (mind the cost of new PCCBs if not specified when the car is originally configured , btw, same goes for PTS which is only available in homeopathic dosed) c) don’t judge the cars value based on the obscene prices asked for by the car flippers but on its normal list price (available to the some 7’000 buyers lucky enough to get one allocated. Cheers from a proud GT4RS owner ❤ P.S. and if you don’t like the multiple downshifts when overtaking: try manual mode with the paddles, works wonders 😊

[@sportzntouring]

Congrats! Such a great car! I think it's only fair to judge the car at both price points since, of the 7000 first owners, many will buy it as an investment to not drive. And the second owners will be more likely to buy it to drive it.

[@kevinmcg6747]

I knew this was an 'Ant' car from the description you gave it Jayemm on your main channel. The firm suspension, the noise, the looks etc were always going to appeal to Ant. It's a useful foil to challenge your position at times Jayemm, not necessarily to change your position but to force you to clarify. Cheers, Kevin

[@sportzntouring]

It's sooooo "me"! At the end of the day, we can all have different tastes and preferences. James and I definitely differ in some ways. And agree on others.

[@jetwah4109]

Explanation on the GT4RS nurburgring lap time. The reason the 4rs is 9 seconds slower is because it has no double wishbone suspension. The front end of the car wasn't as compliant or direct when compared to the gt3. I think I remember AP saying that Porsche tried to fit a double wishbone on the 4rs but couldn't fit one because of the size of the cayman.

[@krichd1]

Because of the size? The first generation MX5 has double wishbone suspension front and rear.

[@jetwah4109]

@@krichd1 They probably weren't willing to develop a new suspension for the car and instead, wanted to throw the one in the gt3 in. Just speculation of course

[@Hypersonik]

AP is full of shit. He's gone on record saying that you couldn't fit a GT3 engine into a Cayman too. There are kits out there that allow all sorts of suspension mods to the Cayman to take it away from McPhersons. The bottom line, as it always has been, is they don't want to infringe on the 911. That's it.

[@henryhol8538]

The perfect companion to the video on the main channel; showing an alternative viewpoint👍🏾

[@sportzntouring]

Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for watching!

[@knmayberry]

Ant! Loved the comment about Condorman! That chase scene with the all black 930s and a slant nose 935 look model in there, pretty sweet. That's where I was really first introduced to 930s/935 as a kid although I've remained hooked ever since. 😂

[@sportzntouring]

Haha! It's not just me then! 😂

[@knmayberry]

​@@sportzntouringNot at all! The movie itself was really corny but that scene stuck with me.

[@sportzntouring]

@@knmayberry same! The best part of the film. I watched the chase scene on KZbin the other day. So bad but those cars were cool!

[@alenaalena13]

Thank goodness for Ant. Grumpy negates the astonishing Nurturing time of the GT4RS which is better than a 720 McLaren, even if it cant match the GT3 on that track. Ant is spot on except regarding the expensive carbon ceramics, which I didnt order, because of their cost and the fact that even Porsche use steel if they are tracking cars. Grumpy says they will make 7,000 of these, which, if they did, would answer his complaint about real drivers not being able to order one.Grumpy says it is just a Cayman, but its actually more than that. Its an instant classic. Thank you Porsche.

[@Nord_Mann]

Agree! The only thing Grumpy is right about on the GT4RS, is the interior not being flamboyant enough. Sadly I specced my so early, Sonderwünsch hadn’t got around to giving it any options to spruce it up yet. Deviated stitching wasn’t on the menu in 2021.

[@alenaalena13]

@@Nord_Mann Same with my order. But the light grey seat inserts are very stylish and certainly complement my Arctic Grey exterior. The large fire extinguisher in the footwell is bright red. Perhaps I need to stare at that more often to get some colour.

[@sportzntouring]

​@@alenaalena13 😂😂😂

[@th3b0untyhunter]

Grumpy isnt a journalist either regardless of what he might claim

[@carlgreen3670]

Quite like the format of this, lots of dramatic scenes and sounds, along with the nice chat between 2 friends 👍

[@sportzntouring]

Awesome! Glad you like it!

[@FlynnBellamyCars]

Loving the video! The GT4RS is stunning!

[@sportzntouring]

Thank you!

[@MikeSmith-rd9fi]

It is as quick as a GT3 around UK tracks

[@sportzntouring]

It doesn't surprise me. It's great!

[@Hali88]

Enjoyed the format. Anyone who pays £240k for a what is basically a track focused Cayman is either mental or too damn rich.

[@sportzntouring]

If it's the latter, that's a great problem to have 😁

[@MarJay1980]

I have a black 997 because of Condorman. Morovich of the Prognorviach drives a fake 935 turbo to chase Condorman in his kit car. I am tempted by some Fuchs wheels just to make it look more Prognorviach.

[@sportzntouring]

😂 brilliant!

[@carllynch8798]

Condorman remember that car chase well. Loved the black 911’s 😊

[@sportzntouring]

I tried watching some clips on KZbin and the film was definitely better as a memory... But the cars are just as awesome as I remember!

[@ziggyfreud5357]

Yeah - good format - true enthusiast format - just chatting about a car(s)

[@sportzntouring]

Thank you! We'll do our best to do more of these.

[@leongiles3496]

Thank you both for a great vid! Of course I remember Condorman... Michael Crawford in pre "Phantom of the Opera " mode

[@adamlifshack3684]

Great video and I really enjoyed the format, thank you both!

[@sportzntouring]

Glad you liked it!

[@drmohin]

Contrast stitching, coloured seatbelts and door pulls are all options to spruce up the interior. If you have money to burn you can change the colour of the air vents and all carbon trim.

[@sportzntouring]

😮

[@jeffreyb.1657]

Great, perfect video. Yep, I am another perosn who could buy one at msrp but refuses to do so at 100k over. And, given the recent Porsche issues, would always be worried about bore scoring anyway, even on the gt3 engine. Crap tech.

[@911aircooled5]

Nice work, good chat about your thoughts. I personally love the interior and you can make some small changes. I changed the colour of the seat inserts. 100 over sticker is stupid, but comparing it to a Mclaren ?? Atleast one can drvie the 4RS everyday to the shops etc, where as a 675, or whatever, you wouldn't drive it to the shops and you'll always wonder if you'll get home and not breakdown (again).

[@sportzntouring]

Haha! Well, a McLaren over a few years old, that's had enough miles on it with it's issues fixed or prevented, looked after by a company like Thorney Motorsport doesn't have to be so unreliable. But, it's more the price comparison for what you can get for that money. It may not suit everyone.

[@johngum7158]

Yes! Condorman!! Haven't thought about that movie for ages but watched it repeatedly as a kid. Those black chase Porsches looked amazing!

[@sportzntouring]

Haha! Brilliant! Glad it wasn't just me! 😂

[@jhayes1776]

Great banter guys, well done. Keep it up 👍

[@sportzntouring]

Thank you!

[@pedrowhite911]

Excellent format! Love the differing views. Absolutely enjoy the GT4RS. I am with Ant on this one. Although other competitors at the inflated price point are worth the look, I find them to be too big (Aventador SVJ) and perhaps from manufacturers with less durable reliability (McLaren). The 4RS is the perfect size, comes with plenty of drivable theater, and from a manufacturer with higher reliability.

[@993mike]

The dealer markup currently on new Porsche GT cars from US dealers is extortion. I may be wrong, but it seems like if you are able to get an allocation in the UK they go for retail price? Then, the second hand market is where the markups happen? That would be fair enough, but in the US unless you’re one of the golden 918 owners that gets the buy at list deal, then everyone no matter how loyal to the brand gets screwed

[@sportzntouring]

And, the Cayman makes sense at retail, but £100k over? That's a bit too much in my opinion. I hear you on the flaws of the other cars... Running those will be considerably higher, realistically.

[@sportzntouring]

​@@993mike yes, dealers are kept in check here, so the markup is in the used market.

[@Lukec4ge]

Such a ‘want one’ car. But for £250k, is t it better getting a rare 981 GT4 for a third of a money, for maybe 75% of the experience?!

[@sportzntouring]

Not a bad shout👍

[@VK6AB-]

I watched your other GT4 RS review - here are a couple of thoughts for you (1) the 4RS has the gear set from the 991.2 3RS (2) the engine is the engine used as the base for the Cup Car - now do Lotus Emira (1) AMG four banger or (2) modified Camry engine mated to an interesting gear box. RS cars also have reduced sound insulation and thinner lexan windows. They are very much designed to be the track capable road car. The harsh reality is, with Porsche you are buying engineering, design, manufacturing and performance excellence - with Lotus you are paying for the fantasy of that.

[@ziggyfreud5357]

Correct

[@RumblestripDotNet]

There is nothing wrong with the interior of this particular GT4RS that yellow tartan seat inserts and door cards wouldn't fix.

[@sportzntouring]

Oh, nooo... That would ruin it for me personally. It definitely needs something but, despite the heritage, that wouldn't be my choice.

[@Spenny909]

Yes, I enjoyed this format. Also, the shots of the car from the front and back with the roaring exhaust could send chills down my spine. I could watch a vid of those alone. I agree with Ant, when you have a car like this, I don't care about the interior, I just want to look out forward.

[@sportzntouring]

Glad you enjoyed it. We'll try to do more like this. Yeah, and the interior, I always like a plainer interior. A flash of colour is nice but, not that important to me

[@iancharlton678]

Yes……… make more of these. They are rather good………. I may never watch the television again 🥳🇬🇧

[@sportzntouring]

Haha, glad you like it!

[@AntoniusTyas]

The thing about GT4RS, the interior options are... dull. Arctic Grey or Deep-Sea Blue accents, and that is it. No Exclusive Manufaktur leather package, not even a chance of having painted interior package if you go for PTS exterior. I'm kind of annoyed. Not that I can afford it anyway, though. And them intake howl more than makes up for it.

[@sportzntouring]

Yeah, more options would be nice. But, you will hardly notice the interior once you're driving this car!

[@AntoniusTyas]

@@sportzntouring figured. Having tasted it on a racetrack, the intake noise is all-consuming...

[@trigganometry168]

I’m happy to have gotten a Cayman GTS for 1/3 of the price. I got 4.0 liters also although James dislikes it.

[@juliandale50]

I specked one up to about £160 K same colour but yellow inside too looks fantastic 😊😊😊

[@sportzntouring]

Oooh! Nice!

[@wasimakujee5627]

I’d have a spyder all day long looks more special too although I love the 987 spyder the new ones are stunning too especially with the 4.0 engines

[@Speedscholars]

Love this second style opinion video!!!!!

[@sportzntouring]

Thank you! We'll try to do more.

[@tb-cg6vd]

I actually prefer the bitching back & forth to the main videos - much more like real life! Keep it up guys, always entertaining.

[@sportzntouring]

😂😂😂😂

[@TML34]

James has a penchant for driving fast Caymans on cold damp b-roads, I don’t get it? I get that the weather is standard British fare, but come on man, try one in July! 😅

[@sportzntouring]

It's more coincidence than preference. It's not entirely up to James. It depends on when the car is available and if James has a gap in his diary based on other cars already booked in. James has cars booked with subscribers sometimes months in advance.

[@Hypersonik]

Let's face it, the owners of such cars now simply take them to cars and coffee and are constantly worried about resale. If you are worried about the resale of your car, you can't afford it.

[@Leowavekid]

Kudos …I wish i had the eloquence to express what i feel as wonderfully as u do..👊🏼🤙🏼

[@4pevans]

More of these videos yes!

[@Leowavekid]

What you are complaining about, the plainness of inheritor, in my mind is deliberate and contributes to the ergonomics and non distracting space … a space that feels quality yet brings focus to driving! Unlike the distracting flamboyance … Yet for little details like stiching and many more.. Porsche allows a ton of options for one to configure and personalize their cars.. 😮 ( if one cares to that degree.. every moment of 3-5 months delivery is worth it ! )

[@GShockWatchFan.]

Great to see new friends on channel

[@JayEmmAndFriends]

In case it wasn't clear, this is the JayEmm & Friends channel... Ant is a regular here. Maybe you found your way here via a community post on the main JayEmm on Cars channel? Hope you check out more on the channel.

[@charlesmajor6449]

Dont worry Jay Em, when the thruth is controversial it always happen. I'm myself a french canadian car journalism and the other the i demolish the mustang mach e and it didn't went well but i don't care in the end most peoples agree with me

[@sportzntouring]

Interesting, what's the controversial truth here? I think he and I agreed on most things except in our personal preference for subjective areas like ride and the interior, no?

[@hexgraphica]

I don't love how it looks, first because it's a 718 and not a 981, second because it doesn't give me that feeling of race car for the road, but nonetheless it looks shouty The 981 GT4 looked perfect to me

[@jesusthewaytruthandlight7558]

You obviously don’t have one them because it’s EPIC to drive!!!

[@jesusthewaytruthandlight7558]

What an EPIC car !!! it’s awesomely loud and love it ❤

[@sportzntouring]

It really is! It had the same effect on me!

[@Screamifyoumeanit]

If you'd like to take a ride out in one, let them know... You don't have to own it to enjoy it! Do you?

[@Screamifyoumeanit]

Motorcyclists wear ear plugs now to counteract the wind noise... Plug in & zone out?

[@RumblestripDotNet]

Despite all my rage I'm still a rat in a cage.

[@truebluemiata]

James, it's clear you're not a Porsche guy. And that's OK.

[@Harpreet06]

Why do you say that?

[@th3b0untyhunter]

Hes not a journalist either, grumpy or otherwise

[@TheJmebe]

Love the format. Love the car. Sadly for me, I couldn't afford 120k so am going to stick with cars like the Megane R26.

[@Hypersonik]

Most people who spend that much money on the car, simply finance it. £20k down, rest on the drip.

[@davevan9150]

Am I allowed to watch this one first?

[@sportzntouring]

Any order you like 😁

[@peterrolt6403]

I delight in the fact it is not a modern, squared off, enormous box. That seems to be the way cars are heading and they are ugly as sin (BMW). The interior of this is dull and the wing is a bit of an overkill but at least it suits the idea of the GT4. Rather have the Boxster 4.0 in reality.

[@jamieorton6809]

I had one and the firm suspension killed it for me. It’s the most uncompromising ride I’ve experienced in my car ownership. I’ve had over 200 cars. Sold it back the dealer for list plus a bit in order to not get black listed. Really it’s too compromised for road and if you want a car that can track and road, you’re better off with a GT4.

[@pedrowhite911]

Every driver has a different threshold of comfort. I agree with you on needing to choose another vehicle if you are looking for comfort. I find this vehicle to be one of the most comfortable, chuck able, track cars right out of the box. I do not daily drive mine but have taken it on longer (3-4) hour trips.

[@MikeSmith-rd9fi]

because james is old before his time?

[@sportzntouring]

😂 that's what I keep telling him 😅

[@seinsmeld13]

Giddy up Batman!!!!!!!!!!!!🥶

[@MercSLRFan]

This was more informative than the review itself, sorry James

[@1984kylea]

If you're interested in a buying a new Porsche sports car just watch one of JayEmm's video's and he'll be sure to turn you off.

[@Leowavekid]

And for Christs sake … Aventador ? and absolute Junk of a driving car … just flamboyance. The Beauty of Porsche is the unparalleled synergy of their Cars .. Gestalt to nth degree !!! Max Performance Max quality …. ! if U find a track ready/ performance car with better reliability, quality … let me know … and why u think so 🤙🏼

[@th3b0untyhunter]

Where is the grumpy journalist?? I can spot Ant and i can spot a grumpy youtuber. But nowhere can i see a journalist.

[@sportzntouring]

Ouch! Well, James is an accredited motoring journalist in case you didn't know 😉

[@th3b0untyhunter]

@sportzntouring of course he is, they give out the accreditations like smarties these days. He's a youtuber. A pretty good one mostly. Entertaining (although his delivery can be a little weird) Fairly knowledgeable (although he makes mistakes on a regular basis) Superb videography - some of the very best in the automotive youtube world alongside STG, JWW and Paul aka Lovecars. But its still effectively self published remember. Overall he makes decent watchable content, obviously works hard at it and i take my hat off as he's very successful at it. But I'm a fan of calling a spade a spade, honest commentary or appraisal to the point of brutality. So I reiterate that the success and skill he shows as a youtuber in no way, shape or form makes him an actual journalist.

[@garymurraya]

My thoughts: 1. the design is now outdated both exterior and interior, it goes back to 2014 for pity sake. For someone to say its a great looking car, well while I respect their opinion, then the old aston vantage is also a great looking car, as is the DB9, but they too are outdated. It is IMO NOT a great looking car in "todays" market, it is simply due a huge update, which it wont get in petrol format, in theory...... 2. Having said that, the engine is of course great, as that is something thats been constantly updated....... 3. It is pointless and incorrect to think of this car as a 110/20/40k car, ITS NOT. In no other EU country is it priced that way. The UK price is simply to "reward" high spending customers who give porsche UK a lot of money each year to help them write off all the money they "throw" at porsche. The real price of this car is about 180/200k and thats where your thoughts should be based. 4. Hence, is it a great car for 200k? Its a good car, but its outdated. Its a great engine and good chassis on a car that is 8 years old and hence for me, it simply is not worth 200k compared to what you can get for that money IMO. THe constant conversation of porsches speccial customers and GT cars and prices is pointless and it is something that is very much UK dominated, its not in general a EU problem and perhaps its time for porsche to stop this, but perhaps if they do, maybe they loose many company car sales for owners and directors with the taycans and macans etc that are the real cash cows and maybe those people go to audi or mercedes... but thats a separate video surely. Lets stop making reference to the prices of these GT cars in the UK, they are not real...... So you have to compare this car to a GT3 and for my money, its no where near. The 911 looks much more classy, updated, great interior, more space. yes maybe less usable of the roads, but is any 500hp car usable on the roads, does 10cm difference chance that fact. For me, the best sunday drive fun car is a caterham, atom, nomad,.... with the 50k price being key and width, gear change in any of these cars beats the porsche hands down!!! Thrills on UK roads beats any porsche hands down..... I'd probably take a caterham and a vantage F1 together for less than 200k, before I would buy a GT car.... more fun, with the caterham, different vibe with the aston that the porsche, which still has a bit of a hate factor in the UK..... and its good to be different, not the same as all the others .... IMO. This car is over priced for what it is..when looking at the real price.

[@omarr6021]

pointless video