The Future of Firetrucks?

[@FattyMcBeardo]

I'm a welder at E-One and helped build the rear half of the body on this truck. Fun experience and even cooler to get to see it on here.

[@erikdenny353]

That's awesome, love the quality you produce. They send this overseas for electrification???

[@FattyMcBeardo]

​@erikdenny353 sorry for the late reply but KZbin is kind of weird with notifications for me. I just so happened to see this as I was sending my dad this video. I am not 100% but I think they do send it overseas for the electrical system and got brought back to be finished up.

[@Zbruh69]

​@@FattyMcBeardo we have one of your guy's old engines. We had irons and axes outfit an old water tender for us. Never had bad experience with truck builders. Good quality

[@jeffreyphipps5099]

38+ years as a paid firefighter in the business and the one thing constant is resistance to change. I appreciate the technical accuracy delivered in the info part of the interview. Electric is great in a City setting with hydrants every block. 500 gallons just isn’t enough water but that is how they kept the truck to 42K pounds. The front-line trucks I’ve ridden later in my career weigh 32-38K pounds with a MINIMUM 1,000 gallons of water in the tank in airfield & suburban areas. The U.S. Power Grid is not ready for this technology and won’t be by the ridiculous ‘Climate Mandate Deadline’. Thanks for an informative episode.

[@davepost7675]

Honestly, I wonder how much CO2 will be generated by the houses burning down while the truck is being recharged. EV technology is not ready for this purpose.

[@stewm1267]

Resistance to change eh? I'm sure the electrical engineers who made it know a lot about... Wait for it... resistance!

[@pmccoy8924]

Beautifully powered electric truck powered by a coal/gas powreplant...

[@petesig93]

@@pmccoy8924 🤣 Lord-sakes, maybe learn just a LITTLE bit about where your electric supply comes from! Over 40% of US electric supply comes from non-CO2 emission sources. Coal-generation is a very small (and declining) proportion of it. Currently 16%, down from 54% in 1990. www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3

[@neocollective5959]

Very few presidents of vehicle manufacturing companies know their products so well, he's obviously involved with his engineers and designers as much as with clients, vendors, investors, etc, in order to understand the market and deliver what they need and want. Great team work, congrats !

[@phillipsmiley5930]

So what you are saying is other snake oil salesman like him, lack Convincing description of there snake oil

[@neocollective5959]

@@phillipsmiley5930 So what you are saying is that you or another authorized person opted for paperless documents.

[@andyhamilton8940]

That federal Q should kill the battery before the end of the block.

[@davidharris8628]

Excellent

[@MrCheeto01]

The market was 'created' by knowing municipalities run by woke liberals would spend taxpayers money on something twice the price of the existing model

[@man_on_wheelz]

I swear I just love how legit of a car guy Jay truly is. This mans knows and at least mildly understands the ins and outs of every type of car in existence from gas and diesel, to steam, to electric, to even jet powered! I don't know how much he knows about hydrogen power but it wouldn't surprise me if he's hip to that too. Jay stays in the loop because he's actually interested and fascinated by automobiles old, new, and everything in between.

[@Onamission1745]

He is probably the greatest car guy to ever live

[@bwofficial1776]

Even better is his approach to buying cars. He doesn't buy cars for clout or to get noticed. He buys cars because he likes them and especially if they have a good story. It's incredible how much he knows about every car in his collection, both the history and context of it and what makes his individual car unique.

[@mattmorris2867]

Bots baby

[@codycampbell1147]

He called the electric motor an engine... As a car guy he should know the difference

[@man_on_wheelz]

@@codycampbell1147 But it does have an engine, they explained it in the video, it has a diesel engine to keep the batteries charged during heavy operation. And there it was under the cab.

[@milosterwheeler2520]

Imagine having a garage that you could drive this thing into and still have room for all those vintage cars all around you. I love than Jay knows enough to ask so many intelligent questions.

[@larryfontenot9018]

At the end of this video, I found myself wishing they'd gone to a fire station and showed it to the men stationed there to get some live, unscripted reactions from the people who use that kind of vehicle.

[@stevevarholy2011]

They'd probably all be negative. With my sister and her husband being career (20+ year) firefighters, they and their co-workers tend to be a very cynical and sarcaastic lot that's not a fan of change. A lifetimes of putting your life on the line and seeing people at their worst probably doesn''t help.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

All negative. Most of them HATE change. I love the service, dedication and valor that fire fighters provide, but many of them are dinosaurs.

[@andyleo8418]

They probably would care less as long as it works. It's not their personal car.

[@Kamikazekyle05]

I actually test drove one of rosenbauers electric fire truck last year. Came back to work to tell all the guys I work with about it. Everything was completely dismissed, nothing but negative comments and pure ignorance

[@BlazerRox]

It would be all "GTFO". Literally every firefighter and EMT I know hates all electric vehicles with a passion.

[@turbot_]

The pump was way louder than I expected, probably should still have ear protection. Also Jay cracked me up calling it an ash tray fire. My garden hose puts out that amount of water. Kinda wish they showed it could send more, if it can....

[@TacticalLulu]

Seems like it had a problem

[@twilliams1755]

It sounds like it's not primed all the way. I had higher hopes

[@BrewPub]

"Vector" brings back memories of the Vector supercar of the 80s and early 90s.

[@KM-qx6nh]

It does don’t it ?! And in 20+ yrs, there will likely be fewer of these EV pumpers around than there are the cars ! Yes ….. these things can be built, but they are never gonna fly !

[@motorvatorv888]

Their pump supplier needs to work on those noise levels .. it's been hidden behind all those generations of diesels for 100 yrs. Great video for a change of pace. Thanks Jay.

[@stevevarholy2011]

I am wondering how much of that is artificial. The cabin is clearly mimicing a diesel. The E-One represtative is on the money about firefighters not liking change. My sister and brother in law are both career firefighters. They are not fans of anything changing,

[@redemptionjack4657]

@@stevevarholy2011 it is not mimicking a diseal it has a diesel engine this truck is way over hype it is simply a plug in Hybrid.

[@freonpeon472]

Obviously you've never been around heavy industrial machinery. Pumping that many GPM takes lots of energy.

[@KingCobbones]

@@redemptionjack4657 It's not a hybrid at all. The diesel engine isn't used for making the vehicle move.

[@michaelfox2256]

I'm sorry we cone to your burning house we're charging the truck

[@Gamefreak8112]

Jay asking some great questions, this thing is a beast. The older I get the more I appreciate insane engineering.

[@buffalobilly6046]

Jay HAS to finally give up on his horrible take on torque versus horsepower. Literally everything he has ever said is wrong. "Torque wins races". WRONG. "Torque is what you need for pumping". WRONG. POWER is the only measure that matters. I can put out 100 ft lbs of torqe on my bike, but that doesn't mean i can win a race with a small gas engine that puts out even 10 HP.

[@Gamefreak8112]

@@buffalobilly6046 Those words were said by both Enzo Ferrari and Carroll Shelby. Furthermore if you make the numbers on either end lopsided enough you won't win in either case. HP means fast speed, Torque means acceleration. You're awfully cute but equally misguided

[@amg863]

Yeah he asked really good questions like "is it lithium batteries?". No, they're nickel batteries obviously. And "is it heavier than the diesel truck or lighter?". Obviously without the engine it weight a lot less.... Good questions

[@Gamefreak8112]

@@amg863 Did I say every question was perfect, does every question need to be geared to the enthusiasts who already know? go rub one out, you can't always be this miserable, can you? You might need help, double up on therapy.

[@fishhuntadventure]

@@Gamefreak8112 Actually both of you are confused about the science imho…

[@Anthonyjt12]

Hey Jay, I know you're under a lot of stress. You're a good man, take care of the love of your life.

[@sapple3946]

Agree, he looks tired. His wife’s health must be a huge part of that…

[@mikeL5183]

@@sapple3946 I've noticed the same over the last few, including some leading up to the reveal of her diagnosis. This man is a legend, you can't NOT feel sadness for what they're going through.

[@official_pol2198]

⁠@mipmipmipmipmippeople with your viewpoints are the problem, lol.

[@bobsmmrs8712]

Either way, Jay Leno covers automotive history in a unique, first hand way. EV sales still rose last year and they’re officially part of the automotive landscape. Cheap shot, calling this “shilling”.

[@xprettylightsx]

@mipmipmipmipmipHOW DARE YOU SIR! His wife is suffering from crippling dementia. Your comment is so parasitic, so unbelievably cold and Ill intended. It’s truly a Shame your so wrapped up in your own head you’ll never understand the difference between the fine details of manners/timing and common sense not to mention correctly placed gumption

[@thuglife1297]

17:12 "Still on the first wife probably" lmfaoooooo

[@matts1546]

So…diesel powered battery extending generator to recharge existing green batteries. Makes sense

[@MrJimheeren]

Yes it makes sense only rarely a fire engine has to pump water for more then 4 hours so that’s not an issue, it’s literally the backup engine, plus these fire trucks can be put on the wires as well, so you can always pump more battery life into the truck

[@hanswallner2188]

Yes ist absolutely makes sense, as this would be a very rare emergency scenario, but still might be necessary.

[@Most_Jeffinitely]

Seeing Jay Leno driving a fire truck is super surreal

[@brianb-p6586]

It's just a big box, about the size of my motorhome. It's not difficult to drive vehicles like this - you just have to watch for clearance around you.

[@errhka]

As someone who actually works in the fire service unlike a lot of these commenters, I'm excited for the future of these trucks. Electric is extremely promising from a health standpoint (no fume exposure and low noise for firefighters), maintenance (smaller low hour use diesel generators OR no engines at all depending on your configuration), and no need for storing fuel onsite any more (tons of headaches for departments from a facility standpoint). That being said, they aren't without their issues as the manufacturers work out the kinks in their processes - I believe LAFD and Vancouver Rosenbauers had tank leaking issues which had to be fixed. Of course all four of our brand new Pierce diesels that we've ordered had to be sent backs for MONTHS of work 💀 so I'm going to take those stories ('unreliable had to be sent back!') with a grain of salt and wait on some actual use reports from these departments before we can make a full determination on whether or not they are actually living up the their potential cost savings. The good news is that if use times and low charge prove to be an issue in their deployment in busy stations, they can still serve a purpose in low run stations that run 4 medical calls a day hehe. Excited for this episode for sure!

[@rdhudon7469]

Does a person have to be a fire fighter to know not to stick their hand in a fire ? Or even extinguish a fire ? It is a non viable joke from an engineering perspective . Vancouver BC has 7 of them out of commission . Exciting eh ?

[@phillipsmiley5930]

I'm sure some ambulance drivers thought the same until they were give EV ambulances. many call outs around here had to cancelled leading to deaths because the ambulances were on charge or had broken down

[@errhka]

​@@rdhudon7469based on your own line of reasoning of "if it's out of commission it's worthless" our diesels we've ordered that are supposedly 'reliable old tech' should be thrown out as well. Again, I will wait until the reports start coming out regarding repair downtime and use case effectiveness for these vehicles. They are brand new and as such new tech has manufacturing issues especially with such a complicated demand system. Your entire comment history is you ripping on electric vehicles - try not to be the person who is still riding around with a horse and buggy while everyone else is leaving you behind with cars. Have an open mind - the benefits are many should departments start making the switch

[@errhka]

​@@phillipsmiley5930not the best use case for EVs unfortunately. Transport times are extremely unpredictable and variable and charging times are non-existent. Maybe with a quick battery swap technology available but now you are taking about millions of dollars in infrastructure changes to make it work which defeats the purpose of saving money

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

Worrying about diesel fumes while fighting a house fire is beyond smooth brain thinking

[@Skeptic2006]

I attempted to show this to my dad, who was a firefighter, but he got frightened by the bells and whistles of the computer and fled. I traced the knuckle marks on the ground and found him up in his tree, clutching his favorite water bucket. I believe everything is alright now. Progress, one step at a time.

[@omarlago4372]

😂😂😂

[@BobbieSmith46]

Traced the knuckle marks 😂😂

[@joeclark7082]

For a truck that is designed to pump water, you would think they would have shown a better example of its primary purpose.

[@SmithFarmTilton]

But then everyone would see it's shortcomings........

[@TheJimbob1603]

Making the truck cruise to a fire situation is one thing. I'd like to know how many hours the pump can run at full bore ..... not so good, I imagine. Prove me wrong.

[@kmr3891]

@@TheJimbob1603 He said it right in the video. Rated for continuous on scene pumping for around 4 hours. With the diesel engine running and recharging the main batteries, hours more. Did you watch the video?

[@CurlyWolf_]

I believe he says 4 hours in the video. ​@@TheJimbob1603

[@EndeavorsDnB]

@@TheJimbob1603the truck has a diesel generator if it needs to pump for long periods of time.

[@ATomRileyA]

Cool truck, Nice to have someone so knowledgeable on the truck as well. I would think also another use might be for use in disasters for mobile power with that much power on board i wonder if you can draw power from the batteries to power other things. That would be pretty cool. I did have a thought that truck would make an amazing off road RV if you took the pump off and had a cabin on back, with all that power you could camp in the middle of a field for some time using power especially with the diesel generator also.

[@itslitty101]

Has anyone else noticed jay leno looks much older in this video?!? 😭😭😭 We love you jay!! Hope you do this show another 10 years !

[@stephenmellentine]

Yup. Night and day from 3 months ago. 😔

[@jpkatz1435]

Must have lost 100 pounds.

[@TomatoWithARifle]

I was just thinking this first 30 seconds in... sounds different too

[@MrCheeto01]

it's the Joe Biden effect

[@paul5683]

I think Jay is in his late 70s. He reminds me of my uncle. I wish that I were as active as he is.

[@mattb3779]

I could take a leak further than that firehose.. didn't he say you could hardly hear the pumps when they are running? 😂😂😂😂

[@BlazerRox]

Yeah that was a pretty fail demonstration IMO

[@eddieafterburner]

Healthy prostate?

[@c.j.l.763]

RING,RING!!!!!!! Fire Dept. how can I help you? Our house is burning ,can you help us? Well..... As soon as our truck is charged up in about 2 hours, we'll be right over.....

[@CyberTruckOne]

Have owned 6 EVs. Own a Cybertruck. Owned a solar company. Did EV charging stations. Career fire fighter. Was in the first responder business for 32 years. Jay Leno, massive torque isn't a benefit in my view. Even todays diesel are too damn fast. Add weight and guys being amped up on a serious incident and it's a recipe for disaster. Trying stopping a 40k lbs truck at high speeds. I spent the last 20 minutes trying to find the range of this thing. Funny how the most important feature is either hidden, not stated or I somehow missed it. Went to their website. The battery size is 327 KWH, a Hummer EV is 212 KWH. So that doesn't seem too impressive. Though of course the range of a fire engine, can be greatly less. But that said, what is the range. I worked on the NJ turnpike. We could easily drive 30+ mile round trip between NJTP exists. And we're not calculating temperature, topography and speed. If this thing, like most of the manufacturers are just dabbling in range and relying on the back up diesel, now we spent twice the money on 2 complete systems and added complexity of multiple systems and charging. Let's not forget we need minimum of Level 2 (50 amp 240V) charing in the fire house. A lot of old city firehouse can't accommodate this.. Im all for this technology but it seems to me, everybody is just dabbling in the technology and not actually creating something that can work on its own. At best these seem to me to be designed for cites, in slow houses, where the engine sits 99.9% of the time and has small response area.

[@trob0914]

The REV Group's and Pierce's EVs are pretty nice rigs overall! Great spec'd rigs, good performance. My reluctance to them currently is the same as the U.S. going to other smaller EVs is the charging. We as America still rely on fossil fuels providing the electric grid, and that's not changing anytime soon. Rosenbauer's EV fire rig, that LAFD( also Las Vegas/ Clark County, NV.) has is another animal but looks way more European! Thumb's up to Jay for asking some very great questions! P.S. I've been around firefighting since we still rode tailboard, so I know something of what I speak!!

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

New coal mines opening here in West Virginia. Fossil fuels will still be around another 100 years. As well as the market is still steady at $600 per ton. People that want EVs can get them but don’t think that owning one is taking their dependency off of fossil fuel even their tires are made with coal in them.

[@JTnine]

The name reminded me of the Vector W2 and I'm glad it did. Different rabbit hole.

[@theamaturepro]

Jay needs to get with Edison Motors and show the other technologies being developed around electric...

[@jarphabib]

Seconding this. He'll love the heavy duty practical design.

[@bullieboi]

When they were discussing range, Jay pointed out that Fire Trucks just don't need to go very far. He said his antique Fire Truck only has 11,000 miles on it. But, with such low mileage, are exhaust emissions really an issue? Why do we need an overly complicated vehicle to fix a non problem?

[@ngilman1]

EV are simpler, not more complex

[@numlockkilla]

No. Software glitch or emp and no truck. ​@@ngilman1

[@CarlDraper]

@@ngilman1 are they? The motor might be simpler but the electronics, computers, are complicated

[@paulm749]

@@ngilman1 EVs are NOT simpler when you include the entire infrastructure required to manufacture, maintain and fuel them. There are so many downsides to EVs that people try to gloss over and ignore.

[@ngilman1]

@@CarlDraper In that case, should 747's utilize non-electronic componentry? Of course not.

[@Zimmy_1981]

Always have and always will love fire engines / fire trucks ❤ thanks Jay❤

[@carlwawrina8080]

This might be a redundant post, but I 100% appreciate that Mike V. made zero excuses for anything. "This is how this thing works, and this is why we built it this way." Boss.

[@JohnPaulHare]

This sounds like a fire apparatus application of the Edison Motors logging truck. I'm glad that they included the range-extending generator in this, it makes this a much more compelling concept compared to an electric-only vehicle like a Tesla. Using low-rpm diesel engines to power a generator and recharge a battery pack while on the move is a brilliant idea and more cars in the EV space should be adopting that idea to bridge the gap between charging stations that are too few and far between, and take too long to charge the batteries anyway. If a bunch of Canadian truckers can figure out how to make it work effectively, so can car manufacturers.

[@brianb-p6586]

I think you mean that the Edison Motors truck sounds like a logging application of the RV Group hybrid fire apparatus... which has been available for years, and is based on a hybrid configuration which has been around for more than a century.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

The pump was WAY louder than I was expecting.

[@BlazerRox]

Yeah for like 9 PSI lol

[@stevepotthast4911]

I agree. Wonder how much louder it would be at a normal 150psi outlet pressure they normally run with several handlines in service?

[@hoedemakerbart]

​@@BlazerRox😂my Kärcher does more more silent lol

[@ls60fd]

The high pitch is awful. Imagine it full tilt.

[@NYCS19339]

​@@ls60fd, and high frequency noise like that is quite hazardous to one's hearing!

[@markp44288]

Jay asks really really good questions, and also credit to him for finding off the wall "non-enthusiast" stuff like this to show us, it's actually really interesting!

[@STJ9694]

Having the big guy man the garden hose.

[@ronlynch7744]

Cool one Jay, thanks. 😎👍😎

[@TheGamingNorwegian]

I think when this comes out with a solid state battery, thats when its truly gonna get widely adopted. Not having to worry about Lithium-Ion batteries catching fire, and being able to press alot more KW into the same package as theyre denser.

[@aaammm1033]

Love it! Can't wait to get the privilege to work on one!

[@phillipsmiley5930]

There are lots of EVs that need work, but few want to fix them

[@urbanstrencan]

This is what we need EV trucks for city use and services like firefighters, towing, garbage collection,.... Great video Jay ❤😊😊

[@EliteGuard01]

Would've been nice to see it all lit up with the flashing lights and all. I also would've liked to see all the storage compartments, and equiptment on the thing.

[@rodonis88]

Battery would’ve died

[@OllamhDrab]

Well, I guess all that is as like a regular fire truck from LA as possible, so not likely anything new to see there. (Though I was actually thinking maybe those battery packs could do to be a bit higher off the ground, firetrucks have to go over curbs and stuff from time to time.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

@@OllamhDrab You mean they have to rescue people in the real world, 24/7/365 under all conditions. such an unfair demand for that pretty toy, thats going to get people killed

[@MrJimheeren]

@@rodonis88lights don’t use that much energy, you know that right

[@rodonis88]

@@MrJimheeren you know what a joke is right?

[@fountainvalley100]

Jay should head up to Canada to interview Edison Motors. Edison is starting to produce diesel electric hybrid trucks with a similar drivetrain.

[@rp1645]

A big YES that's what I was thinking. The TWO young men really make an excellent big rig. The big thing with ( Edison) is that it made a big rig that doesn't need expensive parts, very simple design. And you can purchase say a headlight replacement at any auto part store. I love their dash, and the design of the front engine Hood.

[@brianparramore1104]

The Edison drive train is much more similar to a diesel electric locomotive.

[@fountainvalley100]

@@brianparramore1104 It's the same as this truck. Battery with a backup EG.

[@rp1645]

@@brianparramore1104 Absolutely Right 👍 the two guys talk about that in their public events

[@nahteo]

Yes, this

[@johnny22single99]

ABSOLUTELY----> OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!. 🙂

[@BradWilliamson-b4v]

With a charging time of 2.5 hours, they’ll have to keep ice trucks. 2.5 hours is a long time for something to happen. Not only that, you have a large scale emergency, the disaster isn’t going to stop to allow you to charge. Conventional fire trucks all you need is more fuel.

[@Jessev741]

You missed that part about the onboard diesel generator eh?

[@OldBlue560]

Good to know that we’re moving to a system where, if the grid is down, you’re just SOL. Brilliant

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Well if the grid is down, you're not pumping diesel either.

[@Brianfightingmad]

People aren't smart enough to figure that out or how solar panels work ​@@OMGWTFLOLSMH

[@phillipsmiley5930]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Never heard of the hand pump?

[@blakem9109]

This truck has a range extender, basically a scaled down diesel-electric locomotive. It will keep running even in a blackout.

[@ejp1]

Did you even watch the video? It has a built in diesel generator.

[@brian_ales]

Jay: "(US fire trucks) much larger, just like the people themselves" - fire truck guy is *not* going there, crickets :)

[@frankb.269]

Very nice truck. From the negative comments below, some guys didn't watch the whole video or have attention problems 😅

[@phillipsmiley5930]

The cure for attention problems is Yuri Bezmenov's lectures, and how democracies are easy targets for top down subversion

[@grahamrobins7411]

2:14 "Just like the people themselves.." Man oh man I love Jay. He's been calling out fatties for decades.

[@MattyMatt80]

How much does this cost for a fire department to purchase?! Won’t the electric power be diminished dramatically by the hundreds or thousands of gallons of water being held inside the tanks? That water will definitely bring lots more weight to the fire truck. Jay you were very good with your questions and interest in the fire truck. He did mention the backup system for the generator but I’m still a little concerned about the full amount of power being drawn by the system from the water being held while in transport. Overall a very cool video to see as a former volunteer fire member. Love these kinds of different videos!!

[@Joe_1sr9]

What happens when its battery’s catch fire 🔥 and explode.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

You get the taxpayer to pay another million bucks, and the lives of a couple of africans to build another one. Dont worry there's plenty more africans

[@whatsmynameagain691]

You grab the hotdog weenies and marshmallows!! 😂

[@55Bentley6]

I'm with you Joe. I'm also afraid of things I don't understand.

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

@@55Bentley6lithium and water make fire, it’s not being afraid of the unknown it’s being afraid of driving around in a time bomb.

[@johnleeinslc]

@@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606, lithium ion batteries have no lithium metal in them, it’s a lithium salt. Sodium will also explode when you toss it in water, yet you can salt your pasta water without worry.

[@theestate12]

So many times you refer to a comparable vehicle in your collection. This video stands out because it presents a photograph or short video of the comparable. Wonderful to see what you are talking about.

[@pootmahgoots8482]

Edison Motors R500 retrofit kit on existing firetrucks would be a better idea and way more cost effective than this expensive thing.

[@brianb-p6586]

Nope. Every bit used by Edison is as expensive as the bits used on this truck, except that Edison is using no-name Chinese suppliers for most parts.

[@jefferyholcombe5189]

Canada already bought a couple of these electric fire trucks and are already having trouble with them!

[@herrunsinn774]

Jay is looking tired, but who can blame him? Kudos to him for continuing to put out such high-quality videos while still being absolutely dedicated to Mavis. This "Mike Virnig" is one smart fellow. Unlike some of the car guys appearing in Jay's videos, this gentleman is well spoken and has a subdued ego. 👍

[@toomanyhobbies2011]

This is a good application of an electric vehicle, inner city, short haul, high power. The pump requiring an engine negates the viability of an electric pumper truck. There are other fire trucks that could be EV; ladders, ambulances, chief, etc... Nice to hear the EV is done in Scotland. Let's keep our essential infrastructure in the West. So far as conservatism is concerned, at a fire one cannot have an equipment failure. Electronics just aren't reliable enough for something like this. That glitch at 24:20 is a great illustration... "Stuff that works" is the idea. Pollution of a fire truck at a fire is an oxymoron, the fire is causing thousands of times the amount of the truck.

[@ejkrakowiak6905]

They are having a conversation inside a fire truck with no intercom headsets. Usually the noise is so loud they have to use them to talk to each other

[@jeffw8218]

So what?

[@zlcoolboy]

​@@jeffw8218This could enable better communication between firefighters for sure.

[@jeffw8218]

@@zlcoolboy When has inter-cab communication ever been a problem? And how is that problem solved by a firetruck that is TWICE as expensive? Headsets work just fine.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

To be fair, there's usually a siren and radio noise, but yeah, an electric powertrain should be quieter.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

@@jeffw8218 He's someone who would rather have fire fighters comfortable than actually get there, nuts!

[@hyfy-tr2jy]

"Imagine a 45,000 pound Tesla"... isn't that what they weigh already?

[@verttikoo2052]

They cost more 🤔

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

@@verttikoo2052”pounds” short hand speak for the Imperial standard of weight measuring. Not in reference to British Pounds the currency of the United Kingdom and Dominion. Even though both stem from the gold calculating system created by the London Bank

[@NYCS19339]

Hopefully this truck doesn't have autopilot

[@oisforoffroad]

23:40 I was a firefighter (engineer) for 9 years and this this still sounds loud with the pump engaged. Granted its quieter than a diesel overall but I was only expecting to hear a low whine. Still a cool idea and i'm excited for the future.

[@graeme8800]

Jay, you look as comfortable in that huge firetruck as you look in one of your super cars.😎

[@haroldbirge6881]

🏆Jay Leno 🏆 the king of 🍀 cars 👀✌️

[@haroldbirge6881]

🏆It's 🍀electrifying 😅✌️

[@bobschenkel7921]

In the right situation, like a big city, this will work very well. Rural areas will still need diesel powered trucks, as the guest said. Different trucks for different jobs, just like the real world.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

So you mean Rural Firefighters will have to lose local coverage when they have to donate their Diesel trucks to city areas to fight the fires their failed EV trucks should have. How ever you measure it EV Fire trucks mean more people will die. But it seems the new narrative is No Lives matter

[@carholic-sz3qv]

even in cities they still need diesel too! imagine there isnt any electricity or the situation gets worse! the diesel can work for much longer and harder too.

[@Neojhun]

@@carholic-sz3qv BAHAHA You just copy and pasted a script. You didn't even watch the video and ignored the facts of the vehicle. You are wrong.

[@JohnnyNubs]

Jay, you're awesome!! Period!

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Unlike your spelling.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

Jay. youve been bought by big Corps

[@JohnnyNubs]

@@phillipsmiley5930 lol who hasn’t?

[@Deffa7]

He’s the biggest c*

[@JohnD595]

Personally got to drive this truck. Its the weirdest experience ever. It makes sense, it will have some issues like every new thing. It is the future of the fire service.

[@patmclean1951]

This is so cool, I would love to hear long term reviews of these in service!

[@Neojhun]

I want the stats and reports. My bet it will be like Tesla Police cars. Surpass expectations.

[@natebown]

An onboard diesel generator to charge the batteries is hilarious

[@cattlerepairmancattlerepai9414]

Not really - just a range extender IN CASE the truck needs to remain on scene and run the pump beyond the rated battery endurance. We have scrambled many times to refill a Diesel truck on scene for the same reason. Having a range extender is a safety feature. In barn fires or similar, trucks may have to remain on scene working for eight hours or longer.

[@redemptionjack4657]

Just call it a plug in hybrid.

[@djpalindrome]

That exposes what a colossal con the entire green new deal cult is pushing down our unwilling throats

[@zlcoolboy]

They will likely only rarely use the generator. Especially since most calls are nursing home calls.

[@cameron_bowe]

Edison Motors is doing the same thing, looks great :)

[@-Gunnarsson-]

Bring me back to the 20th century!

[@SunnyIlha]

I really don't think an electric Fire Truck is going to work out.

[@HUYNGUYEN-jp8xo]

But the firemen will.

[@SunnyIlha]

@HUYNGUYEN-jp8xo The firemen will have to put out themselves on fire or get resuscitated after being electrocuted. No. Battery and electrical fires don't go well with a Fire Truck nor firemen. That wouldn't go well on the 6 o'clock News either. No. Water and electricity don't mix well for human beings.

[@richardchesser4509]

J is asking good questions gpm. Is good. The dept i used to be part of usaly first due truck hits firre. Second due hits hydrant.generator would seem to help on scean.on structure or mutiual aid calls.

[@BradleyCrandall]

This is fantastic, made even better by the amazing ignorance of these comments!

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

The comments are usually half the entertainment on YT.

[@BradleyCrandall]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH true … true!

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

“Ignorance of these comments” Made by people who see how ignorant it is to have a EV fire truck that needs a diesel engine to charge its batteries 😂😂

[@412psekustomzllc7]

Not a fan, the electrification of everything to me even as a union electrician is ignorant! The electric grides in our country are so maxed out currently. Not to mention a very small pecentage of our electricity is generated without burning fossil fuels! This whole electric vehicle push to me is about money! The carbon footprint and or hazardous waste foorprint is massively worse that just continually using the vehicles we have now. It's all propaganda, a narrative that 75% of Americans know is a money grab scam with no consideration of the environmental impact! Which is pretty hilarious 😂. Although this vehicle is interesting and inovative. The whole idea is a scam of Propaganda. Point blank.

[@alpine1600s]

Now a steam powered fire truck!🧐👍

[@phillipsmiley5930]

Oil Fired steam turbine ships revolutionized warships

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

Steam powered would make more sense than this thing. At least you can utilize the onboard water to make steam with.

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

@@phillipsmiley5930that’s still largely the standard. What’s your point?

[@briani3599]

Great video. Learned much. Fascinating and great to see new ideas.

[@rscottadams7082]

This is a solution in search of a problem.

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

Not really. EVs are perfect for short haul urban use, which is what this truck will spend its life doing. Minimal noise, no emissions. Ever been on scene at a fire with 4 giant diesel trucks running? You can't hear yourself think, not to mention the pollution.

[@rscottadams7082]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Having spent 30 years in the fire service in an urban / suburban area, I can tell you with certainty that this is a suboptimal approach to fire apparatus. Here in Southern CA in particular, we are all part of a large mutual aid system that extends well beyond Los Angeles County. I have had engine companies from my organization as far as the Oregon border for weeks. The over-simple answer is, “Well we’d just not use this type of rig for that kind of duty.” Not feasible. Spend 2x the money for 1/2 the capability? I don’t think so. And, I don’t think I’ve seen a new pumper w/ only a 1500 gpm pump in it in the past 30 years. All are 2,000 gpm or greater. I also question the idea that there’s any significant “dent” in total vehicle emissions based on the number of fire apparatus compared to all other vehicle types, and the gross emissions based on actual hobbs hours. Fire service vehicle types such as ambulances, paramedic vehicles, staff vehicles, etc. are good candidates for EV tech. And their total milage every year far exceeds engine and truck companies.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

Nope This is a narrative in search of a problem, Yuri Bezmenov warned you 40 years ago top down subversion, see his lectures

[@phillipsmiley5930]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH Are you allowed to tie your own shoe laces on your own?

[@beninformato9040]

Hey Jay ... I want to see your 1955 Buick Roadmaster hotrod! Do a show on that please.

[@blazeiscrazy8737]

YES I love that thing!!! I wanna see!

[@mrbuttons1243]

I think theres a very old and short video about that one.

[@mrm1885]

You can probably find it on My Classic Car with his old buddy Dennis Guage, he did many episodes with Jay

[@sleep_now...]

Electricity and water, perfect match, "match" : )

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

Perfect match like Ike and Tina, Chris and Rhianna, OJ and Nicole

[@stevesage2491]

Ah the fire service: “Two hundred year of tradition unimpeded by progress“

[@ypsiloncra9988]

Two hundred years of tradition saving lives. Screens break, batteries malfunction. Newer cars have a ton more problems than older cars due to more complex electronics.

[@janinsweden8559]

Hi from Sweden: Is that a special Show Truck? Chrome and polished details... Would have been better if they showed a production version to show what the real trucks will look like.

[@brianb-p6586]

No, that's what North American fire department vehicles often look like. Bright trim and fancy paint are available if a department orders them, and they often do.

[@janinsweden8559]

@@brianb-p6586 Wow. And the firemen try to keep them shiny even when they are put into service? That

[@brianb-p6586]

@@janinsweden8559 Typically, yes. Many fire fighters take great pride in their equipment, and during the substantial idle time between calls they take care of it. Some of them are very demanding, and the manufacturers even maintain a huge number of shades of red paint so each buyer can get exactly what they want on their order... which makes no sense to most of us. Fire trucks going out on calls generally look very good.

[@janinsweden8559]

@@brianb-p6586 I guess it is something like the military, they know that keeping themselves and equipment in order is important to make the job done...

[@MrJeepCanada]

According to the International Association of Fire and Rescue Services, firefighters need to use up to 40 times more water to put out a fire in an EV compared to a standard gasoline car. That's about 40,000 gallons on average. So triple that to put out that fire truck catches on fire.

[@jeffpitoniak]

According to the insurance companies, pure electric vehicles very rarely burn compared to gas/diesel and hybrid (which are the worst for fires). Every year batteries are becoming more fire safe From the company that gives insurance companies the data: Ev fires 25.1/100 Hybrid 3474.5/100k Gas1529.9/100k

[@jimchik]

That torque number is incredible.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

But for how long? a Diesel can run for weeks if you kept fueled, which you can if you take a fuel bowser to the engine

[@brianbartlett7313]

​@phillipsmiley5930 if from what the guy said this would be about the same with range extender running.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

@@brianbartlett7313 Do you realise EVs overheat if worked hard, one of the causes of EV fires. the new EV Buses around here have their AC running hard to keep the batteries and motor cool, Not the passengers, the cabin isnt cooled they rot in the heat Why is is so difficult for liberals to understand the primary duty of an Emergency vehicle is to be both reliable and available at all times

[@carholic-sz3qv]

it is actually not! thats the torque at the wheels, a scania 770s makes around similar torque just from the engine now imagine what the gearbox multiplies to the wheels!

[@KM-qx6nh]

Agreed that the torque number is insane by comparison…… but other than win at producing more staggering numbers than a conventional diesel powered truck, what benefit does higher torque numbers provide ? That it will do the quarter mile in one third of the time ? Well that’s fantastic until you try to STOP that 45 ton locomotive….. and since in most “City” environments, the average speed any may get up to is 50 mph, the torque it achieves takes a backseat to how fast that beast can be stopped ! I still say they may be great to have conversations about, but they will never become practical in the real world.

[@luis4727]

"100% electric!" Has a diesel engine under the cab 🤣 Great video, although i don't agree with electrifying everything..

[@55Bentley6]

And why not electrify everything? What's the down side?

[@delftfietser]

Most things in life involve tradeoffs and compromises. There are not-goods about electric as well as gas. Believing progress and change is always better in all areas is more a matter of will than reality.

[@johngaudet6316]

Hybrid for redundancy

[@michaelhess4825]

Nope, this is a full on ev. It has a range extender. That is not hybrid. Hybrid implies the Driveline can be switched between fuel and electric drive. Far more complicated and expensive.

[@Neojhun]

It's only used when you surpass the 4 hour Pumping run time. It's like you ignored the video. "i don't agree with electrifying" only because you are willfully ignorant.

[@markmed9091]

Ah, the negative comments…the Fire Service …” 100 Years of Tradition, Unimpeded by Progress.” “Let’s build the same engine my grandfather work on .” “ I want to turn a knob , not press a button .” E-One president says it takes about 2 1/2 hours from zero to charge . Firefighter hears it takes 10 hours . In all the years I was connected to the Fire Service , I never heard a bigger bunch of back stabbing , complaining old ladies in my life .

[@tkreitler]

He said 2.5 hours with 3 phase 480V. Perhaps the 10 hour charge is on 220V?

[@anthonyk6265]

Yeah those batteries last about 5 years then it cost another hundred thousand dollars and tons of more diesel to mine the batteries God forbid the weather gets cold😂

[@robertbowman9108]

Lol right. Only way you can say a leather helmet is better than a salid bowl, is it looks cool.

[@NYCS19339]

No thin blue line in the fire service that's for certain!

[@Neojhun]

@@anthonyk6265 "Yeah those batteries last about 5 years then" Stop with the insane lies. EVs real world statistics seem to be trending towards to 15 to 20 years lifespan. This is not great but it's very useable. God forbid the weather gets cold? How about the ARCTIC CIRCLE where BEVs have a surprisingly high adoptions rate. You have no clue what you are talking about, just copy and ignorant fear mongering spam.

[@sethie_shots]

Watching Jay manhandle that rig is really a departure from his regular content 😂😂

[@CaesarDarias]

What happens to the operational capability of this electric truck on an ice cold winter night or during a blistering hot and humid summer day? Either scenario can sharply reduce the capacity of batteries.

[@succulent951]

has built in battery heating/cooling pads, like the video says. Just like a diesel preheater

[@KingLuis1985]

for certain cities, it's a great thing. especially if it has the generator on it which i think they all should. low volume stations could probably do without the generator. and for the people saying what happens when the power goes out, emergency services have generators for their buildings, they don't lose power.

[@redemptionjack4657]

Not a generator it is a diesel engine call it what it is.

[@jakewillits4678]

Its a generator. Its an engine. What are you complaining about? Do engines trigger you?

[@tj_gsomething_]

So 100% Electric is false advertisement due to the fact it has a diesel generator onboard to charge pumping batteries.

[@joedunn1109]

Technically it is still 100% electric. Everything on the truck is electrically driven. It just happens to have its own onboard generator.

[@darylkik777]

Jay sure has some excellent questions. Then goodness they sent a man who can answer them all correctly way to go

[@phillipsmiley5930]

So you are saying pretty answers are more important than hard facts

[@T_210]

I get they can't have "regular" pressure on the hose spraying demo, but think they should have gotten to an open area and had someone handling it that knows how. It was, shall we say, "underwhelming" as is. Impressive data points from the CEO- clearly he is deep into everything about this truck.

[@CapnT87]

It’s better in every way…except we all like the sound, vibrations and harshness of the ol’ diesels! They’re just more fun! There’s not a lot of time for fun in this business, so riding around with a cool loud engine with turbos whooshing away is part of the enjoyment and pride of ridin’ a big rig!

[@stevepotthast4911]

You just GOTTA love the sound of a big diesel fire truck blasting down the road with its Federal Q siren wailing and its airhorns blasting!

[@Josef_R]

The truck has to travel overseas. TWICE. For electrification. No greenhouse emissions there...Oh wait, it's sent overseas on an electric boat, right?

[@paulsmith2516]

It actually crosses FOUR CONTINENTS before even becoming a battery never mind a vehicle.

[@ulrichskaarsgard7848]

Yes, so from a "dust to dust" perspective it costs the planet more BTU's to produce, operate, and then salvage an electric vehicle than a traditional ICE vehicle.....

[@bebo4807]

I love the level of ignorance and stupidity on this site. “Look Mabel! It’s one of them horseless carriages! Ain’t no future in THAT!”.

[@threeballedtomcat9380]

@@ulrichskaarsgard7848 And THAT is what the people who think that BEVs are leaner fail to comprehend...Great point !!

[@tortepasti2]

And you say that while you obviously know how many ressources in non electric car come from overseas and criticize that too, right? RIGHT?

[@bigmountain7561]

You can Thank the Standard Oil Trust for making this technology new and exciting. Actually one hundred and ten years ago this electric vehicle technology was developed and cutting edge. The problem is making the vehicle self charging and answering the question of using batteries which are extremely expensive and hazardous or a self contained cold fusion generator that would be the best solution for this technology problem. E-One the Pride of Ocala Florida and Jay about 12 miles away from Golden Ocala where you hang out. Praying for You and Mavis that your love will always win in the end. I lost my wife 4 years in June. Great Video Thank You and God Bless 🙏

[@GilmerJohn]

Oh, EVs were quite popular in the first quarter of the 20th Century. They were useful as "town cars" and as delivery vehicles. But when folks wanted to hit the open road, the "Edison Cells" just couldn't cut it. The electric starter (funny thing) dealt the death blow to the electric car.

[@Corvettejohn86]

What's the price difference?

[@numlockkilla]

Double

[@Lolwutfordawin]

​@@numlockkilla but at a fraction of the operating cost, this thing will pay for itself quite quickly.

[@Mikedc100]

Until it needs battery replacement lmao this thing is a steaming pile

[@wertpollwert]

@@Lolwutfordawin Who do they call when it catches on fire?

[@Nlang1969]

@@Lolwutfordawinso a coal powered truck with a battery made from minerals mined by children is a good thing……you are a mindless sheep

[@lpcfarm4611]

4:49 I'm shocked there's not more said about it having "diesel level" and "def level" readouts on the dash. Doesn't seem 100% electric to me.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

Schusss Sir Klaus will send his boys around to see you if you dont tow the narrative

[@kamywilburn1997]

So cool to see, awesome Mike!

[@ulrichskaarsgard7848]

So when the lithium ion batteries spontaneously combust while charging, at least it can put itself out.....😂

[@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606]

Until it boils off all the water in the tank and it become a pressure bomb.

[@Mavrik-60]

Soooooooooooo brainyacts what happens when you have power failors like rolling blackouts. Just wont fight fires that DAY Is that it. Or what happens when you get back from a call and have to go right back out and you don't have the juice. Oh just skip that fire right????? What is wrong with you people. YOU BUILD THE INFARSTRUCTURE FIRST then maybe. BUT ONLY THEN......

[@ogsegasteve9430]

ok so its got a diesel backup? since im gonna be running that diesel backup with some regularity, ill head over to Pierce or Rosebauer and get a regular diesel drive train. BTW i LOVE the decal on the front bumper @27:25 that says "100% electric."

[@whatsmynameagain691]

"Please ignore the diesel powered "range extender" under the cab. It's 100% electric, trust us."

[@michaelhess4825]

It is a 100% ev. With range extender. The extender may rarely if ever be used. Did you not listen to the video? This is not a hybrid either.

[@MichaelEricMenk]

​@@michaelhess4825wrote: "This is not an hybrid...." This is a plug-in series hybrid.

[@Cmrstrains]

At 4:50 into the video, if you look at the digital dash, in the bottom right corner is a DEF gauge???

[@OMGWTFLOLSMH]

So what? All modern diesels have a DEF tank with a gauge.

[@Chuck.S.]

@@OMGWTFLOLSMH I don't think he caught the part that it has a backup diesel generator.

[@markbergthold6181]

No seat cutouts for SCBAs? Might be ok for city use but not for strike teams or wildland use.

[@NYCS19339]

Yes, I noticed that, this is a show horse, not a work horse.

[@robmonkey]

He explained that he would be driving politicians and city executives around. He told them to make the seats super comfy and luxurious. This is a demo rig, not an actual in-service fire engine

[@tertommy]

Canada's first electric fire truck was in service less than a month before it needed repairs.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

A Whole Month! i would have put money on it being less than a week before it got someone killed by not being available

[@JohnTaylor-bd1uy]

As a technician, these things won't last long before the fireman cry that they wany the old diesel ones back that are actually useful and cheaper.

[@Neojhun]

@@JohnTaylor-bd1uy It had problems with pump system LEAKING water . As if a diesel pumper has never had water leaking problems before. Stop with the horrible assumptions.

[@Neojhun]

Glorious intentional omission of details there.

[@tertommy]

@@Neojhun Pump driven by diesel engine in ICE which has redundancy engineered. EV relies on single electric pump. Water and electricity not a good mix for trouble-free operation.

[@hmbdata]

These will be great for travelling all over California in fire season.

[@phillipsmiley5930]

Behind Diesel recovery trucks

[@hmbdata]

@@phillipsmiley5930 Nah, they keep their diesel on board 🙂

[@firefighterLTP]

Waiting at the tesla superchargers while the rest of the strike teams keeps going

[@feez357]

What he doesn't tell you is they really don't know how to put out the fire when the electric truck catches fire.

[@DaxterAs]

Great to see new and interesting videos coming from you Jay! 👏👏

[@smorris281]

An electric fire apparatus that actually looks like it belongs in the US! I just don't like that the electronics are installed overseas. Pierce also makes an electric North America type apparatus that said to be good also.

[@rjsmith6698]

I wouldn’t call that electric pump motor quite. The high pitched whine would drive me up the wall in a hurry. I still think that fire trucks should have basic mechanical devices that will work under any circumstances, like after a hurricane or tornado, or even in a war zone. Huge respect to Jay, that guy is brilliant.

[@markmed9091]

So I guess you missed the part about the regenerative brakes and the onboard diesel generator to charge the batteries faster than the output?

[@rjsmith6698]

@@markmed9091 No I didn’t, wise guy, but that wouldn’t be practical to rely on for days or weeks.

[@stevevarholy2011]

@@rjsmith6698 The trucks don't constantly operate for days. The departments know the average number of calls and demand.

[@redemptionjack4657]

​@@stevevarholy2011exactly on call dammads gas is more reliable hence diesel engine onboard.

[@rjsmith6698]

They would in the type of scenarios I just described.