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[@markferguson3745]

Keep in mind the EXACT pedals make a lot of difference; you're never really gonna know until it's on your board . It's important to experiment, and I don't know how many times a pedal was disappointing in one position, outstanding in another.If you're not in a cover band, THIS is how you come by original and fresh sounds.It's also the point of using pedals in the first place.

[@Aleph_Null_Audio]

Tremolo *into* fuzz. Produces a pulse in saturation and little to no change in volume.

[@davidluna3209]

Be right back, going to put my reverb in front of my over drive.

[@haldumille5594]

I've done it like that for years and suffered the bane of youtube guys telling me I had it all wrong. Meanwhile, my rig sounded great in live shows, which is all that really matters... I have three boards, each with its own pedal chain order. They all sound great. Live I also switch two of the boards between two different amps as well with a Fulltone ABY. Delicious variety. Thanks for vindicating my experimentations of years past.

[@mikesharpsongs]

I run 3 independent signal paths out of my Godin Multiac Jazz SA. 13pin GK output is sent to a Roland GR55, out to channel 5 on the mixer; preamped hexaphonic piezo bridge pickup is sent to a TC Electronic Hyper Gravity compressor and then to Sub N Up octaver pedal and then on to the instrument input of the TC Helicon VoiceLive 3 multi-effects platform and out to channel 2 on the mixer; the mini humbucker is sent to Source Programmable EQ and C4 Synth, to Pitgtronix Philosopher's Tone micro compressor, to trem, to Strymon Mobius, to Strymon Deco, to Keeley Verb O Trem Workstation, to TC Electronic Flashback Delay mini, to channel 3 on mixer. You've specifically inspired me to change the order of effects for the humbucker signal; namely to put the Verb O Trem before the compressor. I'm stoked!

[@dhod900]

I picked up a 60s Reverb from Lovepedal in their latest sale, it turned up during the week and I have been loving it sitting first on my board! It's especially tasty as its got a pre-delay which can give some really dirty, spaced out lead tones!

[@gkol69]

Bravo for being unconventional and showing people what they can do with experimenting! I found an inspiring sound placing MXR micro chorus --> TC flashback delay (tape mode)--> Ibanez TS-9 (drive min, level max) --> Engl Screamer 50 crunch channel.!!!

[@OliviD22]

thank you for helping us not to sound generic. The reverb trick gives character to the tone.

[@defenderstargate1447]

One suggestion is to have two boosts - one before and one after distortions.

[@markferguson3745]

Or two Compressors.Or both.Why mini pedals are a good thing .

[@cole_r]

Need 2 of everything these days 😂 😭

[@crazywisdom2]

Love your board ! Innovative, fresh ! Love how your mind works !!!!

[@PendelSteven]

Okay. Some notes from me... But first, a definition: foundation ((over)drive) = amp-drive / amp-in-a-box-drive. Okay. 1 The reverb that was used into an amp was always Spring. 2 Compressors that are used as post-foundation are FET, like that 76, Pulp'N'Peel & Empress or VCA: Vise Grip, Keeley CP & GC-2. 3 Modulation also can sound great in between "overdrive" and foundation overdrive. A good example is Jimi: Fuzz --> Univibe --> Foundation (Marshall Super Lead / JTM45). 4 See your foundation drives as alternative pre-amps, in general. Keep in mind some amp-like-pedals like the SD Palladium also are foundations.

[@alexcornu]

I found, a last, answers, why I did not get the sound I wanted ... what you explain makes sense. Thank you so much!

[@brokenfingers6839]

Dude I've been on both sides and I'd have to say you are right. If you really want your own sound and be different from everyone else you need to experiment with your pedal placements. Take the time and try things. Some sounds will be crap but others you will never find in the the structured system that everyone tells you to do. In the end you need to take time to understand what your pedals do and how to use them.

[@hearpalhere]

This was a really great demonstration that unconventional layout can have great results. You see so many wonderful guitarists who put all their pedals straight into the front of an amp. Then others will tell you that you need to put certain pedals into an effects loop. Neither are wrong, they're just different. I think any placement can work but you are going to want to mess around and trust your ears. Thanks Jay for another cool video!

[@saddle8bag]

I love your strumming. Since I've been watching you I have gotten a lot of practice loosening up my right wrist. The groove you put into everything just makes playing without a band sound so much more interesting.

[@coreyclark6505]

I typically follow the fuzz before vibes, vibes before drives rule, but I use my chorus in front of drives along with a belle epoch tape delay cause of the pre amp in it. Then I go drives, amplifier, and then any other delays and reverbs. It took a ton of fiddling and wiring changes to get where I wanted my sound to be, just because of how standard most people wire their rigs up.

[@paulcowart3174]

I go for the tone and least amount of noise This is working for me right now LoL 😂 Guitar - Vibemachine - Rangemaster - Clean boost - Delay Very cool J

[@sampacker6547]

I like to keep a distortion at the beginning and end of my board so I can choose between the tone you mentioned and the standard tone. I also like the crazy synth like tones of running delay into distortion.

[@Pstaines439]

LOVED the verb in front of the drive. Its not a sound I'd use all the time, but for recording I'll def try it!

[@ElPedro212]

Loved the spring reverb sound! Only "weird" thing I do is modulation, especially uni vibe, after less fuzzy fuzz but before overdrive / distortion. To me it's the Goldilocks spot - not too prominent, not too washed out

[@nathanricker1]

I always keep a nasty drive and random wave vibrato at the end of my chain to mess up the reverb and delay. I kinda have it set up like an half broken tape machine you recorded the levels too hot with. Great video!

[@klapaucjusz1]

I never understood the popular view that compressors should go before dirt. For me that changes the sound of the drives too much, mostly in a way I don't like. A compressor after drives does its job in a more transparent way. Great video, as always.

[@JohnZeeX]

The idea of compressing my dirt pedals terrifies me. Nothing like boosted noise to ruin your tone. I think we probably run our compressors in a very different way though. As for my setup, I run a wet/dry/wet system.. Sounds pretty amazing and I can get a lot of true stereo movement in my sound.. Not just dual mono type of stuff either. But you've made me think about some new ways to order my stuff. Thanks for that. Enjoyed your video.

[@JMal883]

Great video and even better sound. Steve Vai also runs his pedals in a non standard way and it works well for him.

[@DerekPaulGuitar]

Agreed, big fan! Love your playing dude! Great video, enjoyed it 🤘🎸

[@hectordelgado8468]

Huge fan! Always enjoy your videos

[@davidsharp9805]

Fantastic stuff. I've always put my chorus and phaser before drive. Lovely video! Thank you

[@jedmarsillo]

Awesome video and playing as usual Jay. Thanks for the cool ideas and different perspective. I don't set my board up anything like this but I might just have to try some of your tricks. I especially like the Dimension C in front of the dirt pedals.

[@stephenpeacock7990]

Hi Jay - Many thanks for sharing this video! This pedal rearrangement definitely worked wonders for me. Very much appreciated. Best wishes from South Wales, UK!

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Gotta get you a Cap for your pickup selector - so you don't accidentally cut your hand. Great stuff Jay. Digging my New DC-2W. oNe LovE from NYC

[@liberty5565]

Kinda wish all pedals had blend knobs. My main issue is volume loss or gain. I don't really run a lot of modulation with dirt, but when I do, I don't want to lose the tone. I run all modulation through my effects loop to combat the issue. I had 9 to 10 pedals, but cut my board back to 4. Having great onboard tremelo and reverb eliminated 2 pedals. Phase 90 & Univibe just doesn't sound right in the loop or in the chain because of the volume issues. I basically need to keep them near the same level as my OD. Like the idea of dropping an OD/boost at the end. So I'll give it a shot.

[@sseltrek1a2b]

i think this is where the "gig rig" would be the right piece of gear...you can re-arrange your pedal order on the fly- more standard set-up and "mixed order" together in one set-up...would be a great tool for experimented with what this vid is showing...

[@Vinylhead66BlogspotDe]

you are the best !!!! i dig your approach to music and your enthusiasm a lot ! I have some nice tip from you ! For instance the reverb before overdrive sound interesting

[@JayLeonardJ]

Glad you got something out of it! It really does make a wonderful sound :)

[@Vinylhead66BlogspotDe]

@@JayLeonardJ yes ! I use normallytwo amps in a dry/wet approach with one amp with lot of reverb from the Boss Frv-1. But if i have to use one amp , i would go with the Reverb first.

[@LorSTApunk07]

I learned something when I saw TPS live. Mick & Dan put trem after delay, and it sounds amazing with stereo or wet/dry rig.

[@Chrosa]

Happy New Year Jay!

[@julianhyde1645]

Reverb into fuzz for some sweet shoegaze tones!

[@PooNinja]

Order of operations 🎵between the sacred silence and sleep Pedal order, pedal order pedal ooooorder When I became the sounds I shone tone into the man's hearts🎶...heads .... and combos too! Inspired by toxicity SOD 🤘🏽

[@PooNinja]

hope your family is safe from Taal Sir

[@Nutamago]

there is no right or wrong in pedal order. but this is a good demonstration. thanks jay

[@papadoug2898]

Thanks amigo for the tip!...I’ve enjoyed rearranging my signal chain the way you suggested and I’m very happy with it.

[@expandingknowledge8269]

MXR, used to have a pamphlet in the 70s about this exact topic, I remember it well. With all the new pedals, experimenting is the best deal !

[@robertbrown2728]

It's interesting to see somebody going against the conventional wisdom. I completely get what you're doing and I like the results though I don't think it would work for me. I'm at risk of spending longer fiddling with my pedal order and settings than practicing the guitar so I'm hoping to be able to leave things as they are for a bit.

[@macmuggo5459]

Robert Brown It surely doesn’t take that long to order your board, how many are using 57?

[@robertbrown2728]

@@macmuggo5459 you are quite right. It doesn't really take that long. I think the reason I'm reluctant to do a really drastic reorder like the one in the video is because I have spent many hours tweaking my existing order particularly the drive pedals and at last I've got them to do what I really want. I've always wanted to be able to use one pedal board for most of the gigs that I do and that means being able to go 1) from a completely clean sound to an optional volume boost and slight fattening for solos. 2) very mild edge of breakup rhythm sound with an option on light overdrive on solos and 3) a crunch rhythm sound and heavy overdrive for out and out rock solos. Now I have succeeded in getting all the sounds that I normally use I'm hoping to be able to leave the board alone for a while and concentrate on the playing :-)

[@oldtimer99]

@@robertbrown2728 I get what you are saying. I think the most important thing is to know what YOU want as your sound. So if you got it nailed why bother. That said - I think Jay's point is more for those who are not happy and keep trying to reorder pedals within the normal slots. It helps to get a working case from him to think outside the box ...

[@benmathys3026]

This is the perfect job for you! You know your stuff and you're a fantastic presenter! subscribed!!

[@crazywisdom2]

CN you do a vid on, favorite home practice amp. That s affordable. Say under a grand. And that maybe you can gig with too, maybe not ? And that works well with pedals ..... keep rocking !

[@carlosnichols9483]

Dude,sir, Guy,man,vato you friggin Rock my dude!

[@brackstubblefield1932]

Thanks for doing a video on this. I was kinda bummed when you were on with Ben Coombs and my question about this didn’t get any play. This was likely a better answer to what I was looking for in my question. Thanks for the great content!

[@JayLeonardJ]

Ah! Sorry we missed you comment! Feel free to DM anytime if you have any questions at all. Thanks for writing and rock on :)1

[@granthill2769]

I love the drive into vibrato trick from Stefan Fast. You put the drive and vibrato last In your chain so that it creates a lofi tape sound. He has a great video of it

[@druwk]

I dig the tones. Really like the idea of running modulation and reverb in front of my dirt, but my dirt is a Tone Reaper Fuzz these days. I’m going to try it, but I still want my fuzz to clean up? Love the Jack White vibe of the reverb first though...we’ll see?

[@MFPick]

Great tone!

[@fuckahandle]

The one guy who disliked this must have already had his pedals in the right order

[@namix6alimony]

Jordan Murphy ^ Kevin Parker and anyone who chases that tame impala sound

[@johndrowe5281]

....or suffering from a bad case of jealousy. 😎😊🥸

[@DatKhajiit]

Awesome vid, I encourage people to also experiment with their effects chain - lots of cools stuff to do.

[@adriengahery9471]

Yes! Looking around on the interwebs I thought something was wrong with me because I go tremolo->high gain->overdrive->compression. Turns out I've got a Pedal (dis)Order®. Now I've got to live with it, but your video definitely makes life so much easier for me! Bold move to get away from mainstream ideas. Great video nonetheless. Amazing value out of your channel as always.

[@nathanricker1]

Adrien Gahery tremolo into a sensitive gain pedal sounds great! It makes the frequencies swell with the volume. It’s good shit.

[@JamesMurphyProducer]

You can’t argue with results!

[@JayLeonardJ]

Thanks!

[@davedavey5]

Delay before dirt is the biz !

[@MisterGuitarItalia]

9 minutes to show us a new world... congratulations! (subscribed)

[@MrJohnboy301]

You rebel!! Ha! Seriously though, there is NO right or wrong order to a order a pedal board. It comes down to what works for you and what sounds good to you.

[@JayLeonardJ]

Couldn't have said it better 👍

[@stinky789]

I saw the thumbnail and I thought somebody was finally gonna help my pedal buying disorder 😞

[@choplass]

Brilliant!

[@swissarmyknight4306]

The more I learn about working with guitar pedals, the more ways I learn to use them. There is no one "right" answer. Just with a delay pedal, sometimes I run my delay into dirt and sometimes after dirt. Depends on if you want the dirt delayed or the delay dirtied.

[@swissarmyknight4306]

Cool video. I wouldn't have thought to put the chorus first.

[@sampacker6547]

"You're crazy for this one!"-Jay Z

[@Ian_sheridanuk]

Ok, you've sent me down the rabbit hole. After years of having my reverb at the end, I've tried it with my od after - what a sound! Beautiful spaghetti western, pumped surf tones.... but now I don't quite know where my fuzz and delay sit best...🤷🏼‍♂️🤔😵

[@jirdesteva]

Great video Thanks now i have to tweak my eleven pedals AGAIN :(

[@JohnZeeX]

That's half the fun of having a pedalboard...

[@johndrowe5281]

A wee, little suggestion: try not to look away to your left with every power chord strike. It makes it look like there is no dynamic change going on - perhaps subliminally. Okay. Now, thank you very much for your excellent work and sharing your immense talents and insights. God has given you a tremendous personality on camera and enormous skills. It is always inspiring to learn from you - and I am a guitarist of >40yrs! I dig your presentation! (Simply stay away from the “traps of habitual tics/redundant power moves” as they distract...) Go forth and conquer! God bless you, mate.

[@JayLeonardJ]

I never noticed that before. Now I am afraid of re-watching the video in fear of it being the only thing I can see from now on, haha

[@johndrowe5281]

😆😊

[@PeterPug]

I especially like the reverb before the dirt. That, I will definitely try. Can’t put a delay before the compressor though, or CAN I!?

[@pd4165]

It flies in the face of conventional wisdom - but you've got a modular system (pedals) that are easy to rearrange...so why not try it out. Delay is usually all about the dynamics of the delayed signal, which a compressor will reduce. It would make more sense just to change that at the delay pedal. But if your delayed signal is changing in character (eg BBD delay getting much darker with every repeat) then compressing that might be a sound that works for you. What about modulation - tremolo being the most extreme. Put it in front of distortion and the signal peaks will distort (the wave shape is important, some have rise times, square does not). After distortion is a different experience, the whole signal is distorted. To stop you falling into conventional thinking why not put all your effects into a bag (or pieces of paper with their names on) and randomly draw them? That's a lot of frogs to kiss, but if you want a different sound..... How about underdrive? Turn your amp up a bit but turn down the output of an overdrive to maintain your original volume. Instead of clicking in an overdrive, for solos, you turn off the underdrive. Or stop thinking distortion and use a graphic as a boost/driver. Boost mids for classic rock or scoop them for modern metal. And have a buffered output, unless you want signal loss. This might be shit with poor buffers (introducing noise), but most are good these days. True bypass isn't great for everything.

[@JPMonstie]

Would like to offer an alternative suggestion... ...buy several copies of all types of pedals and place ‘em randomly all over the board and tap whatever you want...sonic mayhem!!!

[@patrickcolwell4202]

So inspirational

[@JayLeonardJ]

Thanks!

[@maxonmendel5757]

The rattler into the cali 76 is so metal

[@tomvitti2415]

Bro could u give some tips about how to combine over driver, distortion and fuzz? The ways to place them on the pedalboard and, most important, how to deal with the differences of volume between the 7 possibilities it offers ( OD, OD+D, OD+F, OD+D+F, D, D+F, F). Thank u

[@williamsisk6707]

Your profile picture is so fly! Smooth operator for sure!

[@anthonymorlett146]

I always put my reverb and delay before my distortion for years like 6 years +, I think this gives a more variety sounding for more like the 80's new wave sound but I always had problems with the volume levels ... needless to say one of my friends let me have a volume boosters and made me sound way better... not so muddy... I pretty much had the same set up as you but with heavy Brown sound pedal

[@jspanos500]

Not sure if this is different or interesting, but I love running a gravelly OD into a smoother OD for a wall of noise effect. In my case it is a Small Sound/Big Sound fuckoverdrive into a Maxon OD808. Could replace the FO with an Interstellar Overdriver and the Maxon with any flavor of TS.

[@prendelalumbreofficial714]

Dude.... I needed to see this.. you're a badass! I literally just built my first board! And now I want to move things around :).. would love some input hahaha

[@stewmcleod7315]

No No No donnnnnttttt put that there!!!!! Ahhh pretty good.

[@Just-Michael]

Well if you think about it, those guys back in the day didn't have anyone to tell them which order to put their pedals in, so they just had to try different things and figure it out. Very interesting ideas here, I just don't know where to put the fuzz. It's the Zvex Fuzz Factory and I have it set to the velcro type sound. My setup is: Guitar - tuner - octave - overdrive - fuzz - overdrive/ distortion - gate - amp. It just doesn't sound quite right where it is. Any ideas?

[@CaptainErn]

I set my rig up kinda similar to this except I use my amps overdrive and ride my guitar volume, I put the compressor last and my reverb before my modulation pedal so the mod can animate the reverb tails

[@rodneyoverdiep6738]

Cool video! But where would you put a wahpedal...🤔

[@lucianmezinoi8536]

great video ! i'll try the late compressor !:)

[@johnjgibson6807]

Thanks For The Info And Why On This Order 👍👍🎶🎶🎸

[@PeterPug]

Interesting. Never tried that and always assumed. Why do I suddenly feel like a sheep!? ;)

[@leevitalone]

I try to separate all my higher gain and push pedals to the end an I have them on a seperate boardvthat is regulated on the whole "noise" chain with a true bypass Tgat is switched on and off as an aby switch. I like my ambient pedals on a chain of their own because I layer them when I write music, with my crazy "mood" By chase bliss on the end. That thing could be on it's own board.

[@waffles666]

The part where you played reverb with that dirt?👀 damn🔥🔥🔥

[@ryanaustria1522]

What about wha pedal or volume pedal before reverb it doesn't change your sound...

[@hankventure13]

Salamat kabayan! This order has really opened up my tone. Where should I put and octave fuzz?

[@mpf10101]

JLJ, great stuff. What would you do differently if you worked an effects loop into your set up?

[@BenCoombs]

Interesting video, you gave me some great ideas!! See you tomorrow night!!

[@runnningonempty]

AAAWWWEEEESOME!!!!

[@tunaXonXtoast]

i wanted to dislike your pedal layout but it sounded too good. damn you

[@millerpa06]

Great vid Jay. Where would I put my UniVibe in this setup?

[@tomfoolery342]

I actually HATE the fact that you're so great at guitar and are very personable and fun to watch!! I Hate You...…..but in a good way!! :)

[@Saurondor]

Been playing with this idea since I got this LA Lady overdrive pedal from source audio. As I was usually to lazy to keep switch things back and forth. Three peddal has got this great feature in which the right channels can be used as an effects loop. Anything in this loop can be configured to be pre or post overdrive in any of the six preset slots. So in an instant I can go from modulation pre to post back to pre. Sure this can also be done with a switcher. But having it inside a pedal saves a lot of space! Plus it's a noise gate and a four band parametric EQ.

[@anisopiavision]

Great video.. But man, are you a cheese ball! Hahaha

[@guilletjean-jacques5107]

Very good video , i have a question , where put an autowha , a noise gate and a looper pedal with this order ? thanks .

[@mykhedelic6471]

Isn't the Dimension a broad stereo pedal-- are you just running it in mono?

[@JayLeonardJ]

Dimension has a killer stereo sound, but works awesome mono. In fact, the original Dimension C was only available in mono 👍

[@MetalHeadHippie]

Nice J.

[@sandyturner1911]

I have heard of doing it this way, a lot, lately. I have my modulation and reverb in my effects loop. I have recently moved my compression between my fuzzes, and my od/distortion. I think I'll try putting the univibe after my wah pedal, at the beginning of the chain, and see what happens. Thanks for the great content. I have to say, I don't think I've ever seen someone so happy, playing guitar. I thoroughly enjoy your demos.

[@gary_stavropoulos]

Broke the wampler plugging it in they don’t sound very durable

[@rwrp]

Nobody said you have to follow conventional order. If you have a sound that you achieve by using a different order go for it.

[@user-ek3ho9wh8u]

Will disorder still sound good in a mix? I doubt distortion after reverb.

[@JayLeonardJ]

It definitely will! Reverb before gain is really popular among the modern surf and shoe gaze crowds. Like everything, it all comes down to how you tweak them 👍

[@AndrewCCM]

How did you get that Eccos already!

[@nachobeerhunter8713]

Nice sound. What tuner pedal are you using?

[@JayLeonardJ]

I use a Peterson :)

[@nachobeerhunter8713]

@@JayLeonardJ Thank you! Looking forward to more videos! 🤙

[@mikeellis9720]

Where do da ditto go bro?