The Truth About Reverb Pedal Placement

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Where do you place your reverb pedals in your signal path, and why? Tell us in the comments below! Table of Contents: 00:00 Introduction 00:26 What's Missing from the Reverb Discussion? 01:29 The Truth about Spring Reverb 06:20 Spring Reverb Placement Audio Examples 08:36 The Truth about Incorporating Delay and Reverb 10:47 Reverb & Delay in Parallel Audio Example 11:56 Parallel Wet FX Signal Path 12:35 The Truth about Delay & Reverb Pedal Order 13:54 Delay & Reverb Placement Audio Examples 16:44 Conclusion

[@loveforallbxlmannif]

Before the amp for convenience but, the preamp is very transparent and do not so much change the sound. (well i use a bass amp, modern Rumble fender. there's a loop but with to much volume for the Headroom spring)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@loveforallbxlmannif there's going to be the most color in the preamp than any position in the amplifier. If you want it to sound like an amp spring reverb, the loop is the place if accuracy is the key factor.

[@jimi272]

i'm actually using reverb and delay in the loop. I, when i built my Board, thought about the reverb and delay order that way: when you want a room /slapback sound, the reverb mostly is bypassed or only the reverb is running. Using both, a room reverb and a slapjack delay at the same time, gives a cool effect, but also there: if the delay is short, and feeding into the room reverb, you have a room, and then you have a second room created by the delay that feeds into the reverb. so you end up with "twice" the room as if you use reverb before delay. same goes for longer delays: if you have a long hall reverb creating a space, and you have a delay afterwords, it will just repeat this hall space. but if you put the delay in front of the reverb, its like playing multiple notes into the hall space, which can make the space overcrowded. my opinion for pedalboards is that with delay after reverb, you get a much cleaner reverb that doesn't get muddy so quick, because it hasn't so much "gain" done by the repeats of the delay feeding into it. of course sometimes in some moody situations, where you want multiple guitars simulated with a delay, it can make sense to put it in front. But mostly, i end up preferring delay after reverb. Thats my thoughts, greetings Jonathan

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@jimi272 all valid!

[@paristhalheimer]

I place guitar, delay, reverb into amp.

[@danieliger]

I deliberately put reverb before drive. As soon as compact reverb pedals were available in the 80s new waver punk rockers put them in front of fuzz. It’s a big part of the shoe gaze dream pop sound. Not wrong, just different.

[@fallenshallrise]

Reverb first is "wrong" but it's so, so good. A lot of my boards have reverb first or just after the tuner.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

totally not wrong, personal preference is always the first priority.

[@Bilsuburbians]

Yes its part of the essentials in Shoegaze scene. Much reverb and fuzz

[@jarcidiacono1]

@@VertexEffectsInc would you drop tremolo in the effects loop too? Wondering if I try that

[@nedim_guitar]

@@jarcidiacono1 I have had the tremolo after overdrive pedals, in the FX loop. It's cleaner in the loop, but it didn't sound bad after overdrive. Nowadays I don't even use the FX loop, I just put my whole chain into the front of the amp. It's fun to switch around.

[@christopherrusch]

classical. i saw bach’s equipboard, he apparently frequently used the catalin bread topanga

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Huh?

[@adrianfripp404]

​@@VertexEffectsInc He's teasing you for saying "classical" when you meant "classic" 1:10. Fair enough for a guy who uses words like "disaggregated". (wink) Not dissing you, though. Like your vids.

[@_left_eye]

Ain’t it cool how many pieces of gear we need today to reproduce a modest sounding version of songs that were actually recorded with a guitar, a cable and an amp?

[@juanfichtl2011]

Reverb before metalzone

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Go for it!

[@brian1749]

Who needs Reverb when you've got a Metal Zone? Just run a Metal Zone into a Metal Zone and you've got the ultimate TONE!!!

[@andrewwebb604]

Metal Zone, Reverb. Metal Zone

[@devarmont87]

Metal zone -> reverb -> vol 11

[@sdriza]

MetalZone>MetalZone>MetalZone (can never have enough....)

[@ericviking6530]

I once had a vibroking, I think the reverb was placed in front of the preamp, set as a standalone unit. I now use a Koch classictone 210 with a surfybear in front of preamp. Am I right about the vibroking? Greetz from the Netherlands (where Koch amps are made).

[@timharrington4470]

I always learn something every time I watch your videos. They motivate people to try different things which is important. My favorite sound was parallel Reverb and delay. Will definitely be trying Reverb into delay to see the difference. You rock!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You are so welcome!

[@MrVesperatu]

So, I have a 1956 blackface fender twin reverb, but it doesn't have an effect loop, how do I make it sound like a vintage fender reverb then????

[@playpm]

Reverb into delay might be out of control, cuz the stacked reverb tails from delay can boost the highs quite a lot, you can definitely hear the clipping from video demo at 14:50, it's clipping at almost every strumming and it sounds harsh to me. So didn't convince me for that part, but appreciated for explaining where the reverb happens in that amp.

[@rndm7528]

I like to play ambient sometimes , so what i do is i run my Big Sky or Boss Tera Echo with a long reverb before a phase 90 or a flanger and sometimes i stick a couple of delay pedals after those. The result is phased reverb that sounds great

[@eddlabel]

In terms of Delay and Reverb, the ideal would be to have them always in parallel. However, we simple humans, pedalboard users, to avoid the mess of the Reverb being repeated in our Delay, go for the common sense order... It's a very good time we are living in with all these gear to mess around with preamp, power amp, effects, different signals, without having to be in a large studio. Great video!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@jeffbeck5089]

I use a simple formula. Tone, frequency, time. Example: Guitar , OD, Chorus, Delay into the amp. Simplistic, perhaps, but it works

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds good!

[@WickBeavers]

Excellent! Now can you please explain how a tube works? Can one of the classic ones be simulated? If so, who does a great job simulating a Tumble tube amp? Thanks

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Wick, I'm sure there is a "Tube Doctor" out there that has good videos talking about vacuum tubes! So far, the emulations I've heard all fall short in some way, it's hard to emulate such a high impedance component like a tube which is inherently variable and dynamic in every context and circuit it's used in. This is why tube amps, at least for now, are still king.

[@ElectromagneDikk]

guitar, compressor, synth pedals,octave,phaser,wah,synth wah, to another board with only a few overdrives and a few higher gain distortions, into hx effects which has its loop of effects set up logically pitch shifter gate eq chorus delay reverb looper, but right in the middle the signal splits after the eq and sends thru fx loop 1, hx effects send 1 to aby pedal, a goes to an amp modeler that models the rest of the fx and gain beautifully, b goes to a smaller tube amp with amazing high gain, the send of amp b goes through another board that has a pitch shifter, eq, chorus, flanger, digital delay, slicer, analog reverb, analog delay, digital reverb, returns to hx effects return 1, where it goes thru the other half of that efects loop in the unit, and hx effects out left goes to the return of amp b, and the right out goes to a clean amp. the hx effects midi controls the modeler, also controls the amp channel switch on my tube head, because helix stuff is next level. im finally about to buy the full size floor helix. it took a looooooooooong time to program but it was soooooooo worth it. I have an mxr power brick for every pedal board in that rig, and also the biggest voodoo labs power supply. i really just wanted to tell people about my crazy complicated for no reason rig lol. i know, im a fuckin nerd, but my guitar sounds like god plays my guitar every day if you read this whole thing youre a boss!!! if you understood it youre a jedi!!!!!!!!!

[@robertbmxpa]

Bravo. Bringing new light to what may otherwise seem a well known, simple topic. Really picked-up where the old conversation of "where do I place my reverb" typically ends, and took off with some in depth exploration. Very nice. I especially appreciate your responses in the comments. Very professional, and top notch!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@hunterplaysguitar2301]

Nice and very informative video as always Mason 🙏 Thank you.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@SonicReels]

I have learned so much from this channel.

[@acdnrg]

As a synth guy, I only recently got into pedalworld. What I found mildly irritating at first is the order of effects from right to left, ie opposite of western reading direction and also not what you see in may DAW effect chains. Does someone know where this right-to-left thing originated or is there some technical background to it?

[@garethevans2650]

A right handed guitarist has the cable exiting from the right so the shortest cable run to the first pedal in the chain naturally goes from right to left so it does not cross in front of your feet. A long cable would be needed to keep it out of your way which would both lose some treble and risk picking up interferance.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Input is on the right side, outputs on left side, order in the sequence follows that in the video.

[@gph2193]

Its so simple. The guitar cord stays to the right of the pedalboard. Otherwise it would be constantly ending up in the way of the pedals. Sorry lefties!

[@whodunitpros8555]

Hey Mason, great segment. I’ve been enjoying the TC Electronic Plethora 5x which offers an array of TC E pedals but also allows you to switch pedal order on the fly simply by pressing both foot switches at the same time. Some banks I’ll have a tremolo, delay, reverb, delay, reverb, and then can stack or switch as needed.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nice, that's a cool pedal!

[@chrisdaviesguitar]

the placement of pedals is solely down to the user. there is no right or wrong way. If it sounds good to you, then it's right.

[@soundslikebroken3333]

Exactly. Depends on what you're going for. If you want to emulate your heroes and the sounds of the past, he's absolutely right. If you're doing something different and unique, you aren't beholden to conventional wisdom. *shrugs

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Nothing in here disputes that sentiment.

[@simonhirstmusic]

Awesome video Mason! Personally, it just depends on what sound I’m chasing, and the context. If it’s in the studio then I’ve found it’s about knowing which placement helps me achieve which result and then setting it up accordingly. If it’s strictly my live board for my original music then I like it last 👍🏻 I do it that way because it gives me a similar thing as to what I’d do when adding in a reverb in a DAW which I like. I mostly use reverb more sparingly so this works well. But again, that’s just what’s works best for me 👌🏻

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching and for the comment!

[@BkBk-gy6vr]

Place it where ever you want whenever you want no right or wrong and don't let anyone tell you you're doing it wrong.

[@digitalchris6681]

You're doing it wrong.

[@mvwoon]

Delay is an acoustically "later" effect. Slap back, canyon echo, or bounce off a big wall (or old fashioned distributed speaker horn arrays on poles at outdoor arenas) is the last thing that happens, where reverb is a spectrum of reflections and EQ filtering from very fast reflections to longer ones.

[@owendoconnor]

In a studio application it strikes me that all instruments should collectively go through the same reverb to create the impression of them playing in a single space. This bugs me as much as stereo "piano" panned hard LR ending up sounding like a giant 20 ft piano.

[@AsouzSan17]

Hi Mason, very good your explanation I am learning more and more about chain of effects. I use the following form: Guitar+Delay+Reverb+Ampli. This formula sounds better to my ears.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sounds great!

[@Blueguitar007]

Weren't pedals made to go in front of the input of the amp....I'm sure it works fine, always has for me

[@Zilmayjaink]

Hey Mason! What about reverb and/or delay before drive? 🤠

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Some guys in the Shoegaze world do it, I don't think there's much value however in this application for recognizable reverb/delay tones.

[@marcelotorres3285]

Thanks for talking about it AND also doing it!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Of course!

[@clifford_2zero7]

7:05 "wicked game" I play that all the time. One of my favorite reverb tunes. EDIT** Then you played "hallelujah" which is probably my favorite reverb-y tunes that I play frequently. Jeff Buckley's version that solo he does at the 420-430 mark is amazing love that lil bit!

[@Thebarbariantruckershow]

I run my reverbs through my effects loop and then my fuzz's, compressor, drives through the guitar. Works the best for me.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

👍👍👍

[@geo5772]

As usual Mason, an old dog CAN learn new tricks, thanks for pointing out the in/out on the reverb of the older Fender amps as a means of inserting an effect as opposed to the effects loop on newer amps...

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching Geo!

[@geo5772]

Whenever I can Mason!!

[@guitareMTL]

I like to put the reverb first position in the chain so it can distord when I drive the tubes.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Very shoegaze application

[@TheStudioRats]

Fantastic video!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏 just follow the lead of the “Rats” keep up the good work gents! Thanks for watching!

[@Jeff-11_354]

This was seriously one of the best videos you've ever done on this channel. Hat tip.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

🙏🙏🙏 wow thank you!

[@avantgardenovelist]

To those quibbling about Mason's use of the word "classical," claiming that he should be using "classic" instead, here is Merriam-Webster's first entry for "classical": 1 : standard, classic.

[@AgustinDelaFuenteF]

however in music, because classical is a specific era, the use of the word has other connotations. I could understand what he was trying to say but at the same time it just didnt sit right with me. And tbh it sounded more like he was trying to sound fancy as opposed to just describing its use. Like the word classic wouldve been fine as in classic rock.

[@avantgardenovelist]

@@AgustinDelaFuenteF @Agustín De la Fuente He didn't talk about classical music but classical...pedals...or whatever else...which, as Webster makes clear, is SYNONYMOUS with classic. He is not trying to sound fancy, you're trying to sound smarter by making him look wrong about something he's right about.

[@AgustinDelaFuenteF]

@@avantgardenovelist Im not trying to diminish the content at all. And at least not trying to sound smarter either. I simply have musical education where the word classical refers to the period of time. I was simply explaining why people who were getting annoyed by his use of the word also have a valid point. If you dont mind it then thats totally ok and valid, however, I'm one of those people who thought he could've simply used language that everyone got without any fuzz, and figured I'd clarify.

[@avantgardenovelist]

@@AgustinDelaFuenteF He wasn't talking about classical music. Webster's dictionary says "classic" and "classical" are synonymous. It's not my opinion.

[@jezmez68]

@@AgustinDelaFuenteF Exactly. Perfect explanation. Same for me here. When someone says, "Classical songs", I immediately go to my days as a kid listening to Public Radio in the doctor's office waiting room and hearing classical music.

[@ken1davies2]

I sense pedal some re-ordering in my future. Great vid!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

thank Kenneth, hope we earned your subscription!

[@ken1davies2]

@@VertexEffectsInc You did!

[@gringogreen4719]

I have four Reverb pedals on my board. I'm pretty sure at least one or two is doing well with your ideals.🤔

[@michaelcraig9449]

Can you show us HOW to set it up to do the wet dry thing you mentioned about the 6:00 time mark? I played many years but just now getting deeper into guitar effects, much to learn.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes, watch our advanced signal paths video :)

[@BobbyGeneric145]

Ehx Tri Parallel Mixer works great for this.

[@Soundchain101]

Very useful segment. Thanks. Following up on your call for suggestions, a segment like this might benefit from including examples from famous recordings, where possible. For instance, noting that tube reverb boxes appear to have been developed and used prior to integration into guitar amps, it would have been cool to have one or two samples of segments of famous songs/artists where this set up was used and to hear the studio reference. Not necessarily an easy task but a nice to have. Thanks again.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Great suggestion!

[@codymcgrew94]

14:27 Delay then Reverb 14:49 Reverb then Delay

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for posting that !

[@codymcgrew94]

@@VertexEffectsInc sure 😎 👍

[@badgerdub]

Excellent video! I really learned some stuff and got turned on to new vendors and tools. Parrallel reverb and delay is cool but there is also nothing wrong with stacking 3 delays in serial like Ry Cooder. You would think this would sound like muddy shoegaze mess but he gets some of the most incredibly huge clean sounds this way. Catalinbread Talisman plate reverb is my favorite reverb pedal because it sounds extremely good plugged into the front of a clean or gritty Fender. It does the EMT140 sound in a simple pedal better than anything else. I find that using a high efficiency speaker like a JBL E120 in an open back cab is very friendly to having big lush reverbs run through them. A low wattage speaker like a V30 sounds better having reverb added after the mic.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@thornil2231]

Is your strat the Rory Gallagher?

[@godfreydaniel6278]

Nah - he just accidentally put it in the washing machine...

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes, it's a Rory!

[@thornil2231]

@@VertexEffectsInc Great, I loved Rory. I saw him in concert a few times and even shake his hand in the 70's (the high-lite of my life, lol). Since you are a pedal expert, I have an original 1963 AC30. I bought a treble booster but I am not crazy about it (very noisy). And no I cannot afford an original Dallas Rangemaster... Thanks.

[@Dialetheist]

@@thornil2231 I saw Rory live too, a number of times! I think the Xtomp pedal does an emulation of a Rangemaster. I don' t know how good it is though.

[@thornil2231]

@@Dialetheist thanks.

[@PhearNoneGearGadgets]

I wonder what your recommendations would be for electric violin. Would they change? how do you feel about UAFX golden reverberator . Thank you for this detailed review.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It wouldn't change much...you might need something that converts your mic'd Violin to high impedance unbalanced like a Voco Loco to bring in pedals properly, but otherwise would be the same approach.

[@joseesquivel4020]

Classical songs? You mean to tell me Segovia had a reverb pedal? In addition to his Princeton amp?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Classical is a designation of a genre of music, Mozart didn't refer to his music as "classical". It can be used as a noun or an adjective.

[@joseesquivel4020]

@@VertexEffectsInc cool man, cool. Enjoyed the vid 👍

[@PatatoKeftes]

Great suggestion on running reverb and delay in paralllel. And man those licks you chose to use to demostrate sounds were just perfect choices.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you liked it!

[@MichaelStephenson51]

So, to use my pedals I have to buy more pedals :(

[@iamkennymartin]

The Source Audio Collider is really cool and allows you to easily switch from cascaded to parallel, reverb before delay, etc to test out the different preferences you might have.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes, we tout the magic of the Collider regularly on this channel! Great pedal!

[@iamkennymartin]

@@VertexEffectsInc I’ve really loved it so far. The flexibility in routing and the whole aspect of the neuro desktop editor and burning presets from the community is amazing and really easy. I have a small board, and wanted an amp-less option, so I recently swapped out my Source Audio Ventris and Empress Echosystem for a Collider, which gave me room for a Walrus ACS1 for amp-cab sim. The ventris and echosystem are obviously awesome too, but I found myself using about 10% of what they were capable of doing, so the Collider has been a great fit for me. Has plenty of engines still to work with.

[@marcospintor1333]

Best sounding is reverb into effects loops. But for fat surfy sounds, then definitely reverb into a loud amp 😛

[@VertexEffectsInc]

There are so many ways to do it, just depends on tastes.

[@mykneeshurt8393]

my reverb lives in my amp and sound AMAZING when I try to move the amp while it's turned on... Great video!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Rock on!

[@alfrededdingsii9098]

I just hope Rig Dr. has healed from getting beat up on this one…to each their own! ✌🏾❤️🎼

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching! No Doctors were injured in the making of this video ;)

[@RobertNolan]

The Fender 6G15 was available from 61-66, this was for models like the Brown Panel Deluxe, Bassman models, Tremolux, and Bandmaster respectively -models that did not have the built in reverb feature. Part of the love that is for the 6G15 style unit is that there was no other tone than to go right in the front of the amp if you wanted it, so you had to work with it as is. It's the Dick Dale surf tone that you're going for if you're looking at it.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Robert, correct, and I don't think anything in this video disputes that - I think you'll agree. I think Dick Dale used a Showman with 2x15's, super clean. That's definitely a sound in and of itself. It would have been nice to use a Spring Reverb tank in this video as well. I have a mid 60's Reverb Tank, but it wasn't functional - we'll have to revisit this later :)

[@RobertNolan]

@@VertexEffectsInc I have the silver panel version with the tubed buffer in it, the reissues have this in their design as well if I'm remembering correctly. I think the take away from this video is that it's important to test wherever possible because you may find a method you really love that's outside of conventionalism. Peace, brother... And get that 6g15 fixed! 🤙 Maybe send it to Colleen Fazio/Fazio Electric?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

@@RobertNolan I'm working on it...I just need to make the time, I'm like the cobbler whose kids have no shoes :)

[@eduardoprieto5267]

Super cool thanks.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad you liked it!

[@uyuyuy_bajura]

I have a question!!!! I am now clear of why it makes sense to put the reverb after the preamp on a tube amp. I was wondering if it is also needed in a solid state amp

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I would do the same with a solid state amp.

[@JohnOhkumaThiel]

You can't fool me Jack Black. I know it's you!

[@jayaristonlim4244]

😆

[@thaianddanelifeinthailand4803]

WOW !! This is good and useful stuff. I play small bars and small venues and this video definitely taught me a thing or two about combining delay and reverb, and especially the important and useful difference between the order of the two. Which boils down to personal preference. And also the song in question being played. Thanks a lot.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@waitin4winter]

Geez, tough crowd. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You bet

[@JOAQUINARMIJO]

Where is the Tremelo located in the pre amp as well? Before the reverb.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

After Reverb after the preamp before the power amp.

[@mralgebro]

Every time he says classical I think of Beethoven and Bach.

[@christopherfettes390]

Yeah, classical ≠ classic

[@VertexEffectsInc]

The word can have more than one application, and still works as an adjective to describe rig applications of a certain era in the context of pedals and processing gear. Beethoven and Bach didn't refer to their music as "classical", that's a name that was assigned to their music well after they died as a generalized genre or category. Classical composers could be Baroque, Romantic, Medieval, Renaissance, etc. Classical became a listening genre, but wasn't the origin of the word.

[@bleedinggumsmurphy537]

The explanation here is fantastic but what's even better is that tone with that reverb tank 🤤 oh lordy that's good

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Heck yea!

[@jezmez68]

"Classical" songs; You mean like "Beethoven's Fifth"?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Classic music is used as a noun...Beethoven didn't call his music "classical" it's used to describe the genre - not emanating from the genre. Classical can be used as a noun or an adjective.

[@danielmiller2886]

After seeing the title, I'm so confused. I learned the signal chain from your video to begin with!

[@error8418]

Very nice overview over a complex subject. I have always preferred my reverb at the very end of the signal chain, i.e. after the mic pre. There's only so much you can do with running a pedalboard into the front end of an amp.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yep, we did that in the Wet/Dry scenario basically - very similar.

[@error8418]

@@VertexEffectsInc I have been experimenting with an HX stomp for that application.

[@LeeKirkman88]

I subscribed purely because you look like Jack Black.

[@JohnPerryMusic]

I know this video was about reverb/delay but tell us about the chorus we are hearing. Is that coming from the axefx? If so what model chorus, it sounds great.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

You know what…I think I had a chorus running in front of the amp all the time. CE-2 chorus.

[@JohnPerryMusic]

@@VertexEffectsInc haha that should’ve been mentioned! Great sounds

[@Ubi-o]

Good video but honestly if you anyone wants to learn about reverb and delay no one knows it better than the worship church guys. David hislop has one of the best guitar tones ever.

[@michael_caz_nyc]

Very interesting. What pickups are in that guitar? ( sounds killer ). It really has that Landau-vibe?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Sonic Pickups: sonicpickups.com/collections/single-coils/products/rattlesnake-specials-texas-blues-hot-wound-single-coil-set

[@AlexA-fn2bg]

thank you Jack Black

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Before this I got called Geraldo Rivera...also Ricki Lake.

[@MoggioMTB]

Funny when I bought the new BOSS RV-2 because the Marshall had no reverb, just spent 5 mins experimenting and plugged it in last in the pedal chain. It sounded "goodest" and that's where it stayed because it gave a reverby sound. Bigger room, dial it back, smaller room dial it up a bit. Pretty much end of thought about it. Now that pedal sounds very different to an amp reverb but it gave that rough space to the sound and as an effect sounded cool. Really rough and brute force with no subtlety in that thinking. Great video explaining what can be done!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching!

[@tdh95]

Reverb before dirt 😎👌

[@collisiondevices]

I'm in

[@tdh95]

@@collisiondevices wow the inventor of blackhole symmetry has entered the chat 😂😂 But damn that device sounds amazing (in demo tho… I’ll grab one myself, one day)

[@collisiondevices]

@@tdh95 🤣 haha yeah ! thanks so much ! in terms of reverb before dirt the BHS is quite funny 😄

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Shoegaze has definitely shown precedence for this

[@tepouogle969]

Hi... I have just been given a Ibanez TSA15H head. It has a fx loop but I've heard its not a normal loop between preamp and amp because theres a built in TS808. I was told the loop sits just after the inbuilt tubescreamer? So what would the effect order be and why would this amp be built this way? Should i run my whole pedalboard through the fx loop? Any advice is much appreciated. Thanks 🙂

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yea...in this case it might be tricky...you might have to experiment.

[@georgefromgreece4119]

Same thing as in other scenarios. The fx loop is in the right and most common point. Excellent amp.

[@enuxs]

If I buy an overdrive on Reverb - ist it then also a Reverb pedal? 🙈 Sorry - it is too early here in Germany. 😌 Great videos, Mason! 👍❤

[@ElectromagneDikk]

Everyone knows that every pedal from Reverb is a reverb pedal!!!! You thought yuou bought a flanger, AND A REVERB PEDAL GOT DELIVERED!!!!!! you thought you bought a high gain modern distortion, AND A REVERB PEDAL GOT DELIVERED!!!!!

[@22ddo]

Where would you recommend placing a Dimension pedal (in my case the DC-2W) in the signal chain? I have mine after chorus and before a Neunaber Immerse Reverb. I haven't found much on how people use the Dimension effect which is weird to me because it was used on so many classic recordings.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Before delay and reverb.

[@22ddo]

@@VertexEffectsInc thank you so much! I'll definitely work with that sequence.

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

@@22ddo I would put it as first modulation effect (after dist and before chorus) because it has the least amount of LFO and it work better in conjunction with chorus this way (since the chorus has a tweakable speed for the LFO that's also more apparent than the dc2). It's a crescendo: starting with the most linear (detune from an harmonizer that has no LFO whatsoever) and finishing with the more warping ones (dimension, chorus, flanger, tremolo).

[@22ddo]

​@@lovecraftmusic8717 Oh wow, thanks for the explanation - that's very helpful. So I currently am trying my Neunaber Immerse Reverb before distortion (like Steven Wilson does) which yields some crazy sounds. The end of my signal chain goes Dimension to Delay to Chorus to amp, using the amp's reverb as end of chain reverb. I should note I obviously don't engage all pedals all the time, so things like the reverb before distortion is occasional effect as I'm playing with it right now. When I went to college for music I feel they should have had a mandatory class on signal chain and pedalboard assembly, I never appreciated just how much thought process and experimentation is involved.

[@lovecraftmusic8717]

@@22ddo yeah, delay and reverb before dist is either a vintage approach (since every amp had no efx loop back then and all effect pedals were between guitar and amp, so before preamp distortion) or a shoegazer thing, where you have a very chaotic result by distorting the repeats/tail.

[@Guitarman007]

Seems like you had a lot of time on your hands for this. Could you tell us how to put on our socks too?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Say more

[@mattfrazier3759]

Really clear and articulate explanation of technical topic. Thanks so much for taking the time to help me understand!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@robertw1871]

Kinda hard to use anything wrong, if it sounds right it is…

[@VertexEffectsInc]

❤️❤️❤️

[@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer]

You got the reverb > delay to sound really good. I've never had similar success, live in the room with me. The reverb ends up kind of "swallowing" the delay for me. I do plan on eventually setting up a wet/dry/wet rig (I have the amps, I've just been lazy nor have I properly set up my pedalboard) but in the meantime I'm going to try two things; firstly, running delay and reverb in parallel, likely using a GigRig Wetter Box. The second, is one I thought of when you talked about the Bradshaw rigs and reveb triggering off each delay trail; running a reverb pedal in the effects loop of one of my delays that are equipped with one.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks! I think the parallel configuration might be a cool move! Also some amps have parallel loops in them which can be something cool to experiment with.

[@blacktoothfox677]

Use less.🍀 Reverb is easily overdone. Tiny amounts will serve, especially with a delay combined. Frankly I think the demos in this video sound awful... Sorry that makes me sound like an arrogant hater, but there it is. Delay into reverb is fine, I don't care what this mason says. Good luck with it all mate. 🍀best regards from the UK 🍀

[@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer]

@@blacktoothfox677 If that's what you hear, that's what you hear. I just think "awful" is a bit of a stretch. To me "awful" would mean terrible audio quality and lack of clarity, what this certainly is neither. Maybe you just don't like that particular style of guitar tone? I'd imagine it's less about the specific tones and more about the set up. Idk, different strokes.

[@commandercorndoggakadvs3768]

Dig the Wicked Game riff

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Did my best...that's such a great riff!

[@CorbCorbin]

Placement depends on what I’m trying to do, and/or the pedal/or amp. Quite a few of these new reverb pedals are built with the idea of using it as an instrument in and of itself. I like a basic Spring or Plate in an amp fx loop for blues or rock tones, yet playing live, sometimes a reverb pedal sounds more like actual room or hall reverb in a very small setting than in the loop. In recording/studio I like to have an effected signal and a dry signal, so if the effects I’m trying to use don’t work I don’t lost the take. Certain effects can be added in post to work much better in the mix of a song. Live, I usually have 2 delays and reverbs. Delay>Reverb>Delay>Reverb, so I can mix it up. I like the Metéore Lofi Reverb, but not at the end of the chain, and delay after it gets a unique sound. You

[@VertexEffectsInc]

All valid!

[@CorbCorbin]

@@VertexEffectsInc Seems I pretty much just repeated some things you state in the video, with a few of my own ideas. 😆

[@crock2434]

Shoegaze put it before dirt, ambient & drone it can be a pad before delay. Or after delay and a looper. It can go where ever.... I like the jhs octave reverb at a -1 setting before fuzz its like a wall of green ringer like reverb perfect for weirdness.

[@newgunguy4176]

Is there a way to blend my dry signal with my wet signal without having a pedal that features a clean blend knob?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes, a parallel mixer. Xotic X Blender comes to mind as a simple one. Also One Control had one as well that’s very compact.

[@newgunguy4176]

@@VertexEffectsInc Thank you very much! I appreciate it and I appreciate all your videos.

[@TheChadPad]

7:19 vs 7:32 vs 7:05

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching! Time stamps should also be in the table of contents in the description :)

[@TheChadPad]

@@VertexEffectsInc Ok these were just for my reference! Just a quick comparison helps me hear it better. Thank you!

[@playdelay]

You can use certain Fryette attenuators to add an fx loop to many amps... I've wanted to try that out!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Yes you can!

[@lesstalkmoredisco9445]

Don’t tell me what to do

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I would never presume to ;)

[@lesstalkmoredisco9445]

@@VertexEffectsInc I presumed you would! PS I was joking with my comment - you do you - but I’m serious about not really liking the clickbatey thumbnail telling me that I’m using/doing it wrong. Your choice, and I understand the pressure from the YT algo. But I don’t like it:) All the best!

[@jaltsch1]

Great topic! Any advice for a no reverb / no FX loop amp using just the pedal and the one amp (no wet/dry or front of house)??? Any way to simulate an FX loop?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

If you don't use the cab zeus and a line out in more of a wet/dry context, than just in series is your only choice. I would experiment with delay before reverb vs. delay after reverb so you can see what you like. You can get a mono cab zeus for $100ish on Reverb, and a Bray Line Out box for $50.

[@kronk358]

I keep my reverb in the other room.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I hope to be cool enough to one day have a Reverb Room!

[@voxpathfinder15r]

How about load boxes like the Ox Box with an effects loop? Seems like putting reverb there would be even more authentic to studio recordings. Especially for amps with no effects loop.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Reverb after the mic in parallel would be more like a recording studio.

[@andypearce5537]

Classic / classical… know the difference

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Both can be used as an adjective, there’s not an issue here.

[@enjoystuford]

There is definitely an issue here.

[@MrLittleblindshakey]

Do any of your observations and comments change relative to an acoustic guitar? I do not often see pedals and pedal placement reviewed and discussed in the context of an acoustic guitar through an amp or PA. Thanks Mason. Very well done video.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Most of this would be the same for acoustic instruments.

[@SpaceJockey805]

This dude has too many “you’re doing it wrong” videos. If you like the sound, then you’re not doing it wrong. I mean, Thurston Moore of Sonic Youth used to run a reverb pedal first and last in the chain. Go ahead, tell Thurston that he’s wrong

[@orestispalampougioukis6043]

You speak as if you don’t know creators need to make their titles as interesting as possible in order for anyone to click on them.

[@headly21]

Where does he say you're doing it wrong?

[@bingobango4840]

@@headly21 In the title.

[@bingobango4840]

Exactly why I just unsubbed from this kook's channel.

[@MoncoField]

Hahaha

[@felixkjonsberg6493]

I usually stack reverbs on my board. One in front of delay, one after, and sometimes on the amp. Right now, I'm using spring into analog delay into room reverb

[@rocky2195]

You need more delay bro

[@xcorp21]

Jack blacks brother?? Good vídeo!!

[@VertexEffectsInc]

It's funny to me how there is a need to make a connection to a notable celebrity with some regularity here on KZbin - some more flattering than others. So far, I've been compared to, for better or worse, with Geraldo Rivera, George Stephanopoulos, Ricki Lake, Jack Black, and Zlatan Ibrahimović. Just interesting to noice how people see you and what you remind them of.

[@deletechannel13]

Mason, will you make a video about the hinged riser and how to run cabling from underneath it, where to put tie down mounts and stuff like that?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

I think we have several on this already in our rig build videos :)

[@henryfaulkner6051]

I guess I am too old to hear the difference..?

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Maybe try headphones?

[@blackdogrover]

Awesome! I really dig this tutorial, as it shone light on a topic I think about all the time, but never invested the time researching the answers. Thanks much. Love what you bring to me here. So much knowledge and guidance. Really thought-provoking. 🎶🎶🌅🎶🎶

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Glad it was helpful!

[@antman2826]

Please stop with that annoying pop sound everything you display a graphic. It’s unnecessary and goofy. Great subject matter though.

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for watching and for the feedback.

[@ValirAmaril]

bit annoying yeah

[@bmoklsc]

Not to dog pile, but that pop almost made me turn off the video

[@fuckenps3]

I may be in the minority here, but I find it weirdly satisfying

[@franklucas9313]

hello, this is awesome information. I find that pop sound for every single graphic that comes up very distracting almost annoying after the 30th or so one. just my opinion thanks :)

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Thanks for the feedback!

[@zzzz-sf5lr]

Sounds "good" is subjective

[@VertexEffectsInc]

True, it is.

[@phunkyjunkee]

“If it sounds good it is good” -JHS

[@rawkzilla2319]

Excellent video...will be viewing this again later to fully absorb everything with gear handy. Thnx 🎶🎸👍

[@VertexEffectsInc]

Awesome! Hope we earned your subscription!

[@rawkzilla2319]

@@VertexEffectsInc Yes definitely subbed 👍

[@Sm00thR0ckS]

Instead of spending all this cash on gear that's supposed to replicate the original sound, you can just buy a reissue high end Fender tube amp, sound original and have plenty of money left.