PS AUDIO FR5 Raw - Uncut - Loudspeaker Review!

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Jay's Audio Lab

Jay's Audio Lab

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@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
If you have liked my review of this affordable loudspeaker, please show me your support by LIKING AND SUBSCRIBING and I promise you I will do more affordable components in the future!
@EagleCrestVineyards
@EagleCrestVineyards 2 күн бұрын
I much prefer to place the speakers into the room 1/3 of the way off the front wall and augment the SQ with a subwoofer running at approx 50%. Great soundstage, depth, imaging and plenty of ooomph from the sub without compromising all the amazing things these fr5's do well.
@glennmcdonald7673
@glennmcdonald7673 2 күн бұрын
@@EagleCrestVineyards if it works for you , good !
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt 2 күн бұрын
​@@EagleCrestVineyardsWhat does running a sub 50% even mean?
@EagleCrestVineyards
@EagleCrestVineyards 2 күн бұрын
@@carlosoliveira-rc2xt the ELAC 3010 subwoofer can be controlled via a smart device and a bluetooth connection. the app allows for DSP and level adjustments among other things. Instead of setting the subwoofer output at 100%, I set it to 50%+/- depending on the musical selection.
@eddiel1276
@eddiel1276 2 күн бұрын
This speakers are not affordable to many many people. Try reviewing some 1k to 2k. Thats more reasonable for most of us.
@dmfdarkness
@dmfdarkness 2 күн бұрын
It's crazy to think that measurements don't matter. It has nothing to do with mental gymnastics. Anyone that says measurements don't matter....just doesn't understand measurements.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Ok
@hoosierhifi5183
@hoosierhifi5183 Күн бұрын
The people who state measurement's don't matter, don't know the first thing about loudspeaker design. You literally need measurements to "PROPERLY" design a loudspeaker, period. Yes, you can "make" a loudspeaker without them but the loudspeaker that was designed based on measurements will sound superior EVERYTIME. There is more to measurements than just FR (Frequency Response) you also have to factor in impedance, phase, BSC, Diffractions, time alignment, Xmax, Fs, etc. All these issues is calculated and then solved through measurements. The fact people just discredit measurements and their importance blows my mind.
@wmilas2
@wmilas2 18 сағат бұрын
I notice he has room treatments. Fairly advanced room treatments for mid and high. If measurements don't matter, why is he trying to room correct? Simple. Measurements DO matter. They are not the only thing that matters but if room/speaker a combo measures like crap, its going to sound like crap. However if it measures well, then Jay's subjective take has some merit.
@Audiomainia2310
@Audiomainia2310 15 сағат бұрын
Absolutely. Might as well listen to Cheapaudioman .
@redrustler1
@redrustler1 13 сағат бұрын
I don't think the question is whether measurements matter, but who do they matter to, and why? Measurements certainly matter to the folks designing speakers, all of whom, to my knowledge, use measurements, to one degree or another, when designing speakers. Whether measurements matter to the consumer is a matter of personal choice. I wouldn't purchase a speaker based strictly on measurements. I doubt any consumer would. On the other hand, I will look at measurements, if available, because I want a speaker that measures well, and also sounds good. Measurements tell me what kind of amplifier is best for the speaker, and whether certain anomalies in an amplifier will send off alarms in the speaker. Whether the speaker will play well with certain types of music. Whether the speaker needs some type of reinforcement to provide adequate bass. No doubt there are more. The point is that speaker measurements can be useful to purchasers to illustrate hiccups that won't likely rear their heads during an audition at a dealer.
@harisjaved1379
@harisjaved1379 2 күн бұрын
measurements are equally important as subjective impressions. I am amazed that you are saying you can’t hear a 3db dip. Your ears cannot be that far gone! I have paradigm founder 120 that were really bright in the treble region. Ran Dirac on it and noticed that it brought down things after 6khz, so yes it is noticeable. It depends on the room a lot but I know you know that.
@kingtubbyleeperry
@kingtubbyleeperry 2 күн бұрын
It shows that the opinion of someone else, in another room, with other ears, with other preferences doesn’t mean a thing. If he can’t hear a 3 db dip, then why does his opinion matter?
@ninjareynolds
@ninjareynolds Күн бұрын
Although this guy seems as though he absolutely does not understand what can or can't be known about a loudspeaker system based upon measurements he is correct in stating that most people won't notice a 3 db difference while listening to music. 3 bd is barely perceptible when listening back to back at a certain frequency. As you probably know a musical instrument is harmonic and when a note is played it is made up of the fundamental frequency and harmonics that the instrument produces which is why a note played on guitar sound different if it is played on acoustic guitar or electric or piano, violin, sax. or voice. Many people don't understand the db scale. 3 db is barely perceptible and 10 db is double loudness according to our perception. An amazing speaker is within 1.5 db + or - of reference between 40 and 16 khz at all frequencies in between. Once placed in a room that frequency response is destroyed unless it is very large, perfectly treated, and some eq used which limits dynamic headroom or all listening is done nearfield which has it's own set of problems for listening enjoyment.
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Күн бұрын
​@@ninjareynolds It's worth noting, referencing small variations in level (1dB, 2dB, 3dB) benefits greatly from additional context. Due to the equal loudness contours, how prevalent we perceive a level change is impacted by both frequency and overall level. Peaks in level are typically easier to discern than dips of the same magnitude. Depending on the Q of a level change, and with greater familiarity of the material, ... even 1dB raise in level can be discernible.
@ninjareynolds
@ninjareynolds Күн бұрын
@@FOH3663 Are you talking about adjusting levels through the use of dsp or the acoustic frequency response of a loudspeaker system? If a speaker system produces a frequency response that is within 1 db of variation and a person can detect that it isn't flat there is a reason for it. That reason is because human ears are more sensitive to certain frequencies than others and most people would assume that a certain group of mid range frequencies are boosted even if they are 1 db down from reference. Also, if music or even frequency sweeps are playing and the volume is adjusted so that there is 1 db more acoustic output it isn't discernable unless some components in the system are close enough to increased distortion that produce 1 bd more of acoustic output would also cause a detectable increase of distrotion.
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Күн бұрын
@@ninjareynolds I'm referring to SPL magnitude at a given freq and Q.
@ancientalien815
@ancientalien815 2 күн бұрын
I think I would spend $1000 extra and get the Arendal 1528 Bookshelf if I was in the market.
@MrBlumeenie
@MrBlumeenie Күн бұрын
Not a comment on this video but, Jay, I am slowly getting through your "Jay's Audio Lab" playlist and, boy, have you curated a fantastic selection of music. Highly recommended guys!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@hudsontannis3123
@hudsontannis3123 2 күн бұрын
I am satisfied with the review, especially regarding the efficiency at 6 ohms, which requires a really high quality amplifier. Jay I am going to upgrade my very good Accuphase integrated amplifier 135 watts 8ohm 270 4 ohms . Thank you for a fair and balanced review as a new subscriber you won my respect. Jay, most of us are not rich, but I have a good ear for quality and value. The FR5 represents exceptional value and as a proud owner I am enjoying it everyday. Sincerely
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing
@stevemd8947
@stevemd8947 2 күн бұрын
Excellent review Jay. I am a 71 year business consultant --- Jay you gained tremendous credibility with this review. I think you are on your way to 100,000 subscribers. Wishing you the very best.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Much appreciated!
@BillDouglass-m9d
@BillDouglass-m9d 2 күн бұрын
Loudspeaker measurements is a good place to start when choosing your n ew speakers! Very rarely do good speakers measure bad. But could sound better with better parts. I'm retired and have 5 systems and do it for the music!😊
@tkl0111
@tkl0111 2 күн бұрын
Measurements provided anchor points for people to extrapolate/predict the general expectation for the speakers performance in their room. Knowing anechoic measurements and then knowing how that measurements manifest themselves in a particular room allows ones to get a sense what their room would do to speakers with certain characteristics. I'm not sure completely dissing measurements is beneficial to the audience. I would appreciate to see your room measurements, that together with daya from Erin's Audio Corner give me data points for how these would sound in my room. I find the subjective discussions also valueable too, they both have their place.
@sunshine242-l4y
@sunshine242-l4y 2 күн бұрын
Thanks Jay, I purchased and returned the FR10s earlier this year. Really like them for what they offered (at a discounted price) but wasn't my kind of sound in my room. I really appreciate their generous in-home trial.
@firelord675
@firelord675 2 күн бұрын
Jay should get his hands on some ultra high end stand mounted speakers. I think they will sound better than what he has had in the past. I think his room is too small for most of the speakers he has had. He could try The Compact Reference One, by TAD. Or The Joseph Audio Pulsar2 Graphene
@howardskeivys4184
@howardskeivys4184 Күн бұрын
I’m being honest Jay. I’ve never been a fan of this channel or its content. But, this video caught my attention. Jay, I take my hat off to you. A man with the backbone, a man with the forthright BOLLOX to buck the trend. To blow against the wind, to say it as it is and shout it with inner conviction. I’ve recently had a heated exchange of comments with a fellow KZbin follower of Paul of PS Audio’s channel. This viewer was exceptionally esoteric, elitist and patronising. Telling me my opinion was worthless because I don’t own or use any type of “measuring suite”. My response was that the only suite I needed was my 3 peace suite which I sit on to listen to and enjoy music. My auditory system was more than good enough to determine whether my hi-if’s audio reproduction was accurate enough, musical enough, dynamic enough for me to fully appreciate and enjoy the music it reproduces. As you rightly point out, those attributes can’t be measured by anything other than a pair of good ears. I know that my comments are likely to ruffle a few esoteric feathers, and there will likely be some negative backlash, but like you Jay, i remain stoic. Keep up the good work Jay. More content like this would be welcome.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Thank you 🙏
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Күн бұрын
Of course, it's all about the listening. Loudspeaker design is a fascinating discipline of juggling compromises that accompanies the physics of the pursuit. Individuals have worked for decades to determine which acoustic measurements matter, and how to accurately capture them. There exist certain measurable characteristics of the room, and there's certain measurable characteristics of the loudspeaker ... that either limit the playback performance, or facilitate a higher level of playback performance. Regarding setup and optimization of the speaker/room interface, ... unless you measure, you're essentially flying blind. Also, my opinion, every system in every room benefits from EQ'ing within the minimum phase region. The challenge is implementation of an adequately transparent EQ into the system.
@evilmonstertruck
@evilmonstertruck Күн бұрын
Knowing facts is not a placebo effect!! Facts are facts. Cmon dude
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Күн бұрын
Perhaps expectation bias more accurately describes what Jay is referencing.
@l67swap1
@l67swap1 Күн бұрын
Just picked up a set of these to replace my Bowers and Wilkins bookshelves for my computer setup , I'm using them near Field but still miles better than the Bowers. Thanks for bringing these to light Jay , they are truly special especially for their price 😁
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Enjoy!
@bhupendraparekh6225
@bhupendraparekh6225 Күн бұрын
Great that Jay is giving "more affordable" loudspeakers a run, as this is where the vast majority of audiophiles and music lovers live(and we don't have 50 grand plus of amps either. Try mission 770s, these are getting serious love in the UK Jay, they'll be amazing on that set up of yours.
@bridgetcordesman3552
@bridgetcordesman3552 Күн бұрын
I really prefer the looks and construction of this speaker to another wooden box. Especially in white. This FR range is already iconic with its appearance.
@cbrunhaver
@cbrunhaver Күн бұрын
Are you related to Anthony Cordesman by chance?
@martybousum1010
@martybousum1010 Күн бұрын
I have never heard a great measuring speaker sound bad. Measurements are not everything. Hearing is also important. Buying a vehicle involves more than specifications. However, horsepower, torque, mileage, all are figured into MY buying decisions.
@glennmcdonald7673
@glennmcdonald7673 2 күн бұрын
That's why spending thousands of dollars on a system should not be base on price , and should be done by listening.
@oohtob6685
@oohtob6685 2 күн бұрын
My measurements say that my ears are approximately 6 inches apart 😂
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
lol
@barrymiller3385
@barrymiller3385 2 күн бұрын
That's no problem as long as there's nothing in between them.😂
@oohtob6685
@oohtob6685 2 күн бұрын
My other half will confirm that there's definitely nothing in between 😂
@adsph
@adsph 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing Jay
@robbase-f6x
@robbase-f6x 2 күн бұрын
" I am starting to wonder if there is a need for a 700 pound Magico in my room - Jay " .......... actually for the extreme majority of folks - no - there is not a need for such a speaker - there are other more modest designs which make more sense for all but the largest listening rooms ,,,,,, if fact you can very easily overload a room with too big a speaker and it will actually sound worse then a smaller speaker .
@GaryWain
@GaryWain 2 күн бұрын
Great review Jay
@spacejaime
@spacejaime 2 күн бұрын
Excellent review. The cons mentioned are insignificant (but they do need power) compared to the pros. If you can, test the PS Audio FR30.
@mrkitewine7700
@mrkitewine7700 Күн бұрын
A superb and important introductory message about measurements. Thankyou!!! I agree, some people put way too much importance on measurements. Measurements can go some way to explain what you are hearing, but thats about it. What if you really love the sound of the speaker/amplifier/DAC but then found out it was not superb measurement wise? Do you buy what you like the sound of and sounds good to your ears? or do you base your purchase on what looks good on a graph? You will be listening to this purchase with your ears, not through a graph. Buy what you li’e the sound of, regardless of measurement.
@robertdb5111
@robertdb5111 2 күн бұрын
Another great review…thanks for not bending the knee to manufacturer and giving a true honest review that we can trust and we are able to make purchase with confidence. Unlike 90% of the other reviewers on KZbin! You are very knowledgable reviewer…period!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Glad to help
@rvaillant
@rvaillant 2 күн бұрын
Thanks Jay. Mentioning needing 250 watts to “wake up” the speakers is a key point in the review. The final takeaway on how a stand mount can give pause regarding pursuing the Uber expensive shows how one can assemble a speaker system on the cheap, subs included, than can bring things to the table larger designs struggle with. This has been my experience for decades. Plus, a system like this is much easier to live with and move around. Add the subs and high pass the monitors and the game completely changes.
@JR-ho5qm
@JR-ho5qm 2 күн бұрын
Both measurements and listing are important. I don’t know how anyone could say otherwise.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Everyone has an opinion
@JR-ho5qm
@JR-ho5qm Күн бұрын
@ but to say measurements don’t matter at all is pretty harsh, surely most of the expensive speakers you’re listening to do measure well. I’m not into doing measurements myself. But I do count on the speaker engineers to use them when designing a speaker.
@mamayako4610
@mamayako4610 Күн бұрын
@@JR-ho5qm Saying measurements don't matter and calling it stupid is a wild take, especially coming from a reviewer
@EnemyofCredulity
@EnemyofCredulity Күн бұрын
How does an electronic device measure texture? Excellent points !!!
@audiorick841
@audiorick841 2 күн бұрын
Great review! Awesome that you can experience very expensive hi-fi as a reference and when comparing it to “cheaper” hi-fi you still manage to keep perspective and give us a very objective opinion. It shows that you’re not tainted with just the price tag, but know how to recognize each for what they bring to the table. Respect.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ericharrelson32
@ericharrelson32 2 күн бұрын
Jay - I really appreciate this review. Nice work man. I for one, would like to see you go up the PS Audio speaker line.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Noted!
@joeythedime1838
@joeythedime1838 2 күн бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab I agree - I would love for you to review the FR30's.
@genecase9464
@genecase9464 Күн бұрын
Frequency response is a way of determining how accurate a speaker is, not how it sounds. I also enjoy watching Paul's (of PS Audio) KZbin videos! Very fun, very informative, and like having a cup of hot chocolate with my grandfather! I'm glad you liked the FR5's because he and his team really seem like they put their heart and soul into everything they do.
@fredbissnette3104
@fredbissnette3104 Күн бұрын
Measurements have a place in pro audio for sure as I worked for a big outfit and we made sure our systems were setup to play everything that was run through it as true as possible , but your point about these is valid as well in the home it's what's making you happy and what sounds good to your ears , these speakers make high end accessible to a lot more people , you've done a fantastic job here and based on your video id guess a pair of these with a conservatively run subwoofer would provide a lifetime of enjoyment for anyone who was interested in HiFi, great stuff jay
@burton7023
@burton7023 2 күн бұрын
I can promise you that the placebo effect is real especially when you are talking about cables that costs thousands of dollars
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
😂
@burton7023
@burton7023 2 күн бұрын
@jaysaudiolab 🤣🤣🤣 I've been in this hobby almost 40 years sir and also there is the science 😂😂😂😂
@BeyondResolution
@BeyondResolution 2 күн бұрын
​@@burton7023 and what does the science tell us?
@ac81017
@ac81017 Күн бұрын
Don't worry Jay, the last idiot is yet to be born 😅😅​@jaysaudiolab
@johnshaw359
@johnshaw359 Күн бұрын
You may not measure it and not care about measurements but the consistent colouration will prove to be wearing in the longer term especially if your musical tastes are varied. Phase coherence is to do with the psycho acoustic like imaging and sound stage. The point source nature of small speakers is also known and measurable.
@glennmcdonald7673
@glennmcdonald7673 2 күн бұрын
Your room is gonna determine how good any speaker is gonna sound . Period .
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
True
@peterw2714
@peterw2714 2 күн бұрын
A poor or bad speaker in a good, well treated room will not sound great, period.
@glennmcdonald7673
@glennmcdonald7673 2 күн бұрын
@peterw2714 so why would you buy a poor sounding speaker , if you know what's good stick with it .
@peterw2714
@peterw2714 2 күн бұрын
@@glennmcdonald7673 I don’t know why one would buy a bad speaker (misinformed, ignorant), but according to your statement, it’s all about the room, just setting the record straight.
@garysmith8455
@garysmith8455 2 күн бұрын
Room, room, ROOM! I found this out with my Klipsch Forte' 4's. In my main listening space (18x24x8'), I found them difficult to warm up to. Harsh and fatiguing! Moved upstairs to my living/dining room with throw rug and plushy sofa? TOTALLY DIFFERENT SPEAKER! Pulled nearly 3' feet into the room, 12' feet apart, listening 14' back caused this HUGE change. BIG low end, smooth and balanced presentation. SHOCKED I am, and so, that is where they live now to enjoy.❤
@nedeljkokopikopac1516
@nedeljkokopikopac1516 18 сағат бұрын
Great review Jay!! Keep doin it!! Nobody has done it like U!!☝️☝️
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 18 сағат бұрын
I appreciate that!
@brentcollins9727
@brentcollins9727 2 күн бұрын
BRAVO JAY!!! Another fantastic review.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thanks again!
@michaeldina1103
@michaeldina1103 15 сағат бұрын
I understand your point about the measurements I think they have their place but the ears are the most important tool! If something doesn’t sound right you can use measurements to identify the problem. I read some of the comments about people complaining about your opinion and some of those comments seem like they didn’t listen to everything you said. Sometimes products can have flaws that don’t show up in measurements as well. If you rely on measurements and it measures well, that does put a bias so it could be a bad product but because you are a biased to believe the measurements you won’t believe your ears.
@jazzlouise
@jazzlouise 2 күн бұрын
Jay, nice review and I am impressed that you went this route for a review. More standmounts! My measurements are my ears. Thanks.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Right on!
@LiveSound_Geoff
@LiveSound_Geoff 2 күн бұрын
I enjoy your honest and interesting approach and opinions. While I appreciate that listening to clips via KZbin is fraught with compromises, I was disappointed in the bass definition from these speakers. It might have been plentiful, but was too loose and fluffy for my taste. I was also slightly bothered by the tonality, but that is also a matter of personal taste. Despite that, their overall performance is remarkable for their size and price. Well done Jay.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
I appreciate that!
@terrywho22
@terrywho22 11 сағат бұрын
Very nice review. 83.5dB sensitivity is really low, but the flip side to that is its only -6dB down @35Hz. Hope to get a chance to hear these soon.
@christopherspiro9857
@christopherspiro9857 2 күн бұрын
I would like just to listen to my awesome music and just forget that time is passing by. That’s what I would want in my stereo gear. Then I can concentrate on making my paintings.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Makes sense
@SHOGUNofSAIDO
@SHOGUNofSAIDO 2 күн бұрын
Jay mate, your question about hearing the measurements is a valid one. The answer is (from personal experience) that after measurements were done, and making PEQ adjustments to adjust to match a personal target line you surely hear differences. No placebo, but definitely different. The measurements are done to optimize the speakers to integrate better in the room - to bring the best out of your speaker when its sitting in the room. I don't think people measure "just to measure" unless they have a studio.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Fair enough
@courtneyswaby3178
@courtneyswaby3178 Күн бұрын
Thanks that was the most energetic and convincing description of a speaker Ive so far heard awesome.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@gordiefrench5342
@gordiefrench5342 Күн бұрын
Thank you Jay Best audio channel out there
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Wow, thanks!
@jaakanshorter
@jaakanshorter 2 күн бұрын
I’m glad you did this type of review and will be doing more in the future. There are some reviewers with ultra high systems but seem too scared to do something like this and be as honest as you. The pros and cons are fair and realistic.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thank you
@Nefty_
@Nefty_ 2 күн бұрын
Its amazing that bookshelves might be a better option for your room Jay! It is Very interesting I’m looking forward to see more on that.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
I think so too!
@Nefty_
@Nefty_ 2 күн бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab​​⁠it makes me remember of the TADs that you had a listen something like a year ago. That could be an interesting option
@evilmonstertruck
@evilmonstertruck Күн бұрын
? Measurements are super important. Your right, you can't measure somethings but the one you can is how accurate it is!!!!!! That's why it's important. Then you know your speakers are flat, then everything else can make sense. Cmon dude
@brown-eyedman4040
@brown-eyedman4040 Күн бұрын
Thanks, Jay for keeping it real.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
My pleasure
@YSIFIVEOH
@YSIFIVEOH 2 күн бұрын
Very extensive review! Nicely done Jay, appreciate the sincerity and personal opinion on these FR-5’s! Keep up the awesome work, love the channel! 👏🏽🫡
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@Yeybeth
@Yeybeth Күн бұрын
Very good review!! Thanks jays we trust in your signature ✅ 💯 %
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
I appreciate that!
@maxrogers9639
@maxrogers9639 2 күн бұрын
Great job! How much do you think the upscaled electronics played in assisting the FR5's positive performance? Is it possible that with lesser electronics that their performance might be sub par?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
It’s possible with any speaker - not just this one
@maxrogers9639
@maxrogers9639 2 күн бұрын
@jaysaudiolab I agree.
@boyblue3624
@boyblue3624 2 күн бұрын
Excellent review, Jay! Now I really want to hear what you think of the Borresen X1.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
You never know
@skip1835
@skip1835 2 күн бұрын
Thanks Jay - all the work you put into this experiment/journey - from "out of the box" all the way to the final listening sessions was really cool - I enjoyed all the "shorts" along the way too - - no doubt the 5's set a very high bar for their asking price - so cool to see and hear them performing with your current set up.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@bigjack79
@bigjack79 2 күн бұрын
If you really want to have a good faith conversation about the pros and cons or measurements, you should reach out to Erins audio corner.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
It’s fine. He has his own way of doing things as do I.
@joz411no8
@joz411no8 2 күн бұрын
Jay, thanks for the review. I’d heard 5 or 6 reviews of the FR5s so far and all were based on how they sounded - all ratings were better-than-average to great. I recently came across a review of them that gave a mediocre rating, but went into the whole measurements thing. This same person semi-trashed another speaker that had gotten decent reviews after measuring it as well. They picked apart what the speakers didn’t do, then used a graph to explain it. When I test components, I use the only tools I need - my ears. Keep up the great work.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Bingo
@louv4437
@louv4437 2 күн бұрын
Thanks Jay as always!! Sounds like these will be great with a pair of Rels in a smaller room, What a great price too!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
They are!
@Eric-q9n
@Eric-q9n 2 күн бұрын
Jay, thanks for the review! The biggest con I have about these speakers is that they look CHEAP! If I were to base the price on looks alone I would estimate their worth at around $1,200 not $3,500. It wouldn’t matter how great they sounded or what sonic party trick they could pull off. I’m probably spoiled being that I own a pair of TAD CR1’s with those gorgeous Pammele Sapele wood cabinets.Ahhh…their majesty caresses the eyes and ears.
@Audiomainia2310
@Audiomainia2310 15 сағат бұрын
And who cares WHAT you think? You may like a V cu😊rve sound - I prefer a flat response / true to the source. Guess what helps with that - DATA!
@nathanloggins1721
@nathanloggins1721 Күн бұрын
😂 I have been saying this online for years! Measurements don't mean shit 💩! Just how the speakers sound in your listening environment! Those channels that push that BS like the guy with the beard.. Turn then off. Well done Jay!!
@glenncurry3041
@glenncurry3041 2 күн бұрын
So maybe you need to pursue the best smaller ones? Sonus faber Guarneri G5? Børresen Acoustics M1?
@waynesharaf6369
@waynesharaf6369 Күн бұрын
Hi Jay, thankyou for the nice set of thorough honest reviews on the FR5s and your set up of them, though I don't remember how far apart each speaker was from one another. Two questions: Do you think these speakers are too small for a carpeted 23X24 room. I have ample power to drive them. 2cd, have you had the opportunity to listen to Klipsch Heresy IV, and if you have, aside from the drastic difference in efficiency, how would they compare? I'm looking for depth and sound stage.
@gino3286
@gino3286 Күн бұрын
Hi great review i just wonder if the stands are really the best option available
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
I believe so
@michaelrovner4165
@michaelrovner4165 2 күн бұрын
Good job Jay
@stephenbarnes8817
@stephenbarnes8817 2 күн бұрын
I remember when I really started in this hobby. Was looking for a system for “home theater” for my living room tv. I didn’t want one of those in a box systems. I ended up with psb speakers, front and rear, I assume a center channel, and I can’t remember if I had a sub, and a Sony receiver. I was listening one evening to an episode of Law and Order, and I kept hearing police radios, I thought in the open area of my townhomes. I keep looking out the windows for them. Near the end of the show, I realized it was the sound from the crime scenes on the tv. Has never heard them before on the built in speakers from the tv. After that I was hooked. Later I had a home theater system with Vandersteen speakers, subs, and Theta Digital hardware. The first time I watched master and commander, two of my nieces were with me. We all jumped at the first cannon fire. I’d sit and listen to the Eagles and Pink Floyd for hours on end, it was so moving.
@MichaelM-to4sg
@MichaelM-to4sg Күн бұрын
I’ve never seen or heard the FR5 in person, that said I completely agree with your comment on fit-finish. Unfortunately it appears common to all PSA Aspen lineup. The FR30 & 20 are spectacular sounding speakers. The fit and finish do not match the sound quality. These would never be allowed in our home due to their fit & finish, looks more like something I’d find with an Ikea tag on them. Paul and Chris MUST improve the cabinet finish if they want to be a serious speaker manufacturer in marketplace
@peterw2714
@peterw2714 2 күн бұрын
Thanks Jay for your thoughtful well spoken opinion.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
My pleasure!
@Rhythmattica
@Rhythmattica 2 күн бұрын
As a Muso... from Writing to Mixing (sometimes mastering) , All that matters to me, is a set of monitors that allow a mix that works across many a listeners choice of listening... Yep... Vibe doesn't cut it.....Sure enjoy a speakers sound stage ect... But Reference Speakers will never sound "Amazing"... And thats the difference... If your listening, (Pun intended) , who cares how good it sounds to you, as long as it does..... But proper Studio monitors , good ones , should be as non coloured as possible.... And yes.. Room treatment means everything.... Basically, some of the prices I see in "Audiophile"market, is just like a car... Like what you want to drive....With prices to match......
@liamporter1137
@liamporter1137 2 күн бұрын
Great sharing. Platimon speakers have been receiving very positive reviews. Will be great to hear your opinion about Platimon vs FR5.
@hiresaudiocosta873
@hiresaudiocosta873 2 күн бұрын
First off, I agree that our ears are the best measuring instruments. With that being said, there are a lot of people who can listen to a system and have the ability to determine peaks or dips at specific frequency ranges. Especially people that have car audio Sound Quality systems. Many of us who have a car audio background tune our own systems, and we learn over time what each frequency range sounds like. Third, the person involved in measurement/ reviews does work for the government as a rocket scientist, so your comment is very funny. 😁 But as a tool, a microphone and computer can help dial in a system faster, speed up the process, and bring it to a more accurate level for sure. In conclusion , the fine tuning, I always do by ear and can fix issues that a microphone alone cannot do. There are benefits and cons to both methods. 😊
@manuelnunes3535
@manuelnunes3535 2 күн бұрын
Would love to hear your opinion in the future of how these compare to the Magico monitors you just received
@anthonysaturno8265
@anthonysaturno8265 2 күн бұрын
Thank you Jay for a great review! In depth and very practical at the same time!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@shannonwilliams6623
@shannonwilliams6623 2 күн бұрын
It would be interesting if you could hook up with Danny at GR Research and see if he could send you over a pair of open baffle NX treme, to see what cost no object speakers would do on a half million dollar system.
@bencausey
@bencausey 2 күн бұрын
TRUST YOUR YEARS, PEOPLE! 😀
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Agreed
@59christiaan
@59christiaan Күн бұрын
there is only one good way, find a good hifi seller and try it at home!and spend a little more on acoustics than on cables.
@adrianadrianp5305
@adrianadrianp5305 Күн бұрын
Room and speaker measurements are informative and extremely helpful, but I agree 100% you need to listen and you need to very carefully A-B. You can have placebo you can be mislead but that's true of anything, the measurements show potential problems but the correlation with what you hear isnt good enough to solve any problems. Plenty written about phsyco acoustics and measurements , Mr Toole, Harmon etc. We do listen to everything with 'distortion' and phase in any room, we are clever enough to hear through the room and know and understand the room and prefer to have what we are used to not an anachoic chamber. I like to adjust for some things but usually less is more with EQ and DSP
@spencerl885
@spencerl885 2 күн бұрын
Hey I argue that volume level on a slow sweep can be heard to some extent by a good portion of people. Only loosely and to taste not a measuring microphone but it can be heard somewhat as the numbers flash past and your listening. I write down 20,30,40,55,70,90 etc on an A4 piece of paper, get the 20-20000hz 2min youtube vid up and listen for if there are any big room boom at like 50hz, muddy hands cupping mouth to shout like midrange at 400hz from crossover issues etc and sibilance harshness (loud and hard sound) at 3-4khz in a speaker with high hz playing midranges giving cone breakup problems. You don't have to be a genius you just have to Feel and listen for volume variance and rate what you hear out of 10 through the sweep and just lightly touch up the issues (usually a light cut, I almost never add). It can help mask up speakers issues. I can't weld great, I don't have the feel there I get it some people won't be able to do it but surely it's not that impossible? Not accurate sure but like partially improving sound?
@theflyingdutchman7127
@theflyingdutchman7127 2 күн бұрын
hi Jay those are words of wisdom you have spoken, there is a lot of rubbish wisdom in the Audio world. I'm glad you punctured this hot air balloon. I enjoyed your review of these PS FR 5 speakers. thank you for this beautiful journey, and look forward to the sequel. love from the Netherlands ❤️👍
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Thanks for that
@Xp200dr-gj8lz
@Xp200dr-gj8lz 2 күн бұрын
The measurement topic was interesting. I recommend room measurement for bass response as needed. That really helps to find optimal placement for the speakers and your listening position to avoid peaks and nulls in bass response. Same goes for subwoofer integration. The human ear and bass below 50hz is shaky at best. Yes you can hear it but no way you can detect the SPL variation.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Great point!
@alwayspushing2031
@alwayspushing2031 2 күн бұрын
Always great reviews, but some of us use measurements as "part of any equation" if I buy a crate motor (which I have) and no way to "not go by measuring" so I have a mindset to use measurements. Have I ever put an engine in a T-Bird vs a Camaro and they act different? Absolutely and most crate manufacturers will adjust through testing, with that said obviously the room and equipment 100% affect all of it. So I don't think we should discount measurements or actual "feel/sound" as a one size fits all. Plus I have never had a system in totality of $8000+ as my extra $$$ goes into my real hobby, cars 😁 I really enjoy your take and maybe one day closer to retirement or if I get into legal trouble (tickets/car insurance cost) I'll play with higher end audio. #Rockon 🔊🔊🔊🔊
@nicolatovey2687
@nicolatovey2687 2 күн бұрын
Great review jay.i think these speakers are for smaller rooms not something as massive as the LAB.😊😊😊😊😊😅
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
True!
@c.j.vanwoerden1676
@c.j.vanwoerden1676 Күн бұрын
Where are the times that Jay played music instead of talking. He should take an example in Gregor of Virtual Hifi. Little talk and much soundclips.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Those days are gone. Thanks
@perfectsoundpursuit007
@perfectsoundpursuit007 2 күн бұрын
Yes Jay, measurements it's for beginners in High-end.. My opinion . BR
@rangerrecon
@rangerrecon Күн бұрын
The topic of loudspeaker measurements ends when you see two different speakers with nearly identical measurements sound completely different. While measurements (efficiency, frequency response) can provide general information about a speaker, they don't tell you how it SOUNDS. Period.
@davidcross890
@davidcross890 Күн бұрын
Do You realize...YOU and so many of your audio friends are BEING DUPED by those that either lack knowledge of how and what to measure or are quite possibly hucksters just trying to sell what profits them while intentionally blocking products and technologies that show how generally pathetic audio performance so many products are compared to what can be done at a similar or LOWER PRICE
@dennisjames7611
@dennisjames7611 2 күн бұрын
Hi Jay. Do you have any plans to review any speakers from Legacy Audio in the future?
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Nope
@blainebubb6805
@blainebubb6805 10 сағат бұрын
What do you think of cabasse Speakers and the amplifier Thank you
@skipgordon5382
@skipgordon5382 2 күн бұрын
Well done Jay - thanks!
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thanks
@cudfoo1cudfoo247
@cudfoo1cudfoo247 2 күн бұрын
Great direction for your channel Jay. Very thorough honest review of a "real world" product. Appealing to those that don't consider $3500 cheap is a great move and will bring a much broader audience to ultra high end stuff. You'll get a lot more subs too if you're interested in that...
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
I appreciate that!
@ogopogo1397
@ogopogo1397 Күн бұрын
Do you really beleive the nonsense you spout? Great speakers dont need to cost $3500. AT ALL. In fact, the cost of those is probably $1000 a pair to PS Audio. Any expereinced designer could churn out FANTASTIC speakers for $3500 retail. Easy, with everyone making some money. But you want to make more and sell nonsense. I get it, overhead isnt cheap but the 50,000 speakers etc doesnt mean you get anything more than a story. The transformers are noisey, the caps go ... its often crazy just how poorly manufatured the uber $$$ stuff is. And its no surprize because after a certain point its all about fluff and casework and everyone involved knows it.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Sorry if you can’t afford top audio components
@ogopogo1397
@ogopogo1397 Күн бұрын
@@jaysaudiolab LOL what a meathead response. You just played your worst hand. Bravo.
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 19 сағат бұрын
@ thanks for watching fool
@CHSS
@CHSS 2 күн бұрын
I know a guy that could hear I used the wrong crossover frequencies for my bookshelf speakers, and he was right about it. He works on airplane electronics and vintage amplifiers.
@user-wr4vp4mt7e
@user-wr4vp4mt7e 2 күн бұрын
soo right, Jay you are one of te best . super thanks
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
You're very welcome
@sebastianbielmeier7098
@sebastianbielmeier7098 Күн бұрын
I totally respect the idea of using your ears to determine the sound of a loudspeaker, especially in your own room, as it will alter the sound a lot. But YES, you CAN judge things like soundstage and imaging by messurements, as long as you have good meassurements and enough of them. If someone is really interessted, I could explain. You cannot messure musicality of course, just because there is no such thing associated with a pure technical device like a loudspeaker. Musicality comes from musicians and I expect a loudspeaker to transfer it as pure as possible to my ears, without destroying it. And THAT then again can be messured. I agree that you can fool yourself by looking at messurements and then listening to the speaker. I do not agree that you have to be a crazy scientist to determain if there are some frequencies missing or boosted. As a mixing and mastering engineer, this is part of my job every day. I am not using equilizers just by guessing, that would be a pain in the ass. And as we are talking about fooling yourself: Loosing deapth in the soundstage by putting speakers closer to the wall is exactly this! Your brain no knows there is a wall just behind your speakers so it must be impossible to have things going on behind that line, right? ;-)
@DarrenShaw-ev5tb
@DarrenShaw-ev5tb 2 күн бұрын
Myself a new sub ! - But I dig the no Bull-Shite way you come across !! - Thank You
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Thanks 🙏
@kulio212
@kulio212 2 күн бұрын
Review the bigger brother of this speaker the bass issue might be fixed
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab 2 күн бұрын
Noted
@royli3260
@royli3260 Күн бұрын
Hi Jay - your own ears tell you the truth. Even if the measurement freaks were correct - it makes ZERO difference if that is not what you are hearing. Better still, if ALL of the "improvements" are audible if the end-result sound does not speak to you as it should, it doesn't matter squat what any/everyone else is saying! You are the one who is doing the listening - yours is the only view that matters for you. & I haven't even started to talk about the impact of personal sonic preferences.... The only thing one can be 100% sure about is whether the speaker is communicating the music to you as it should - you're the judge.
@FOH3663
@FOH3663 Күн бұрын
"Trust, ... but verify" Ronald Reagan
@JulioCSolar
@JulioCSolar Күн бұрын
About the price: One can save a little more and get Mofi 888. Wish you could review them.
@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox
@jimsregaturntableshifijukebox 2 күн бұрын
Nicely done sir! It would be very interesting if you could get some UK made Alchris Audio speakers to try... Just a thought . Happy listening ans best wishes from Scotland.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 Jim🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🙂
@jaysaudiolab
@jaysaudiolab Күн бұрын
Maybe one day!
@JukeboxAlley
@JukeboxAlley Күн бұрын
For the money, i would go with a gershman studio 2 or xdb if you could find a good deal on those. I would also suggest the klipsch nines at a grand, they are incredible for the money, theyll do anearly everything any floorstander will, no need for a sub.
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