THIS is why you should Watercool your PC!

[@gsonz172]

1st recommendation: "Why you shouldn't watercool your PC" 2nd recommendation: "THIS is why you should watercool your PC!" Great

[@sergiucroitoru5439]

LOL from Linus

[@xXSasukeXx89]

Yes and no... also no and yes. Such is life

[@nick-st7jx]

linus and this

[@Alovon]

@@nick-st7jx *laughs in Steve from Gamer's Nexus*

[@zsoltibitter8761]

Like somebody wrote at Linus video: Yesn't

[@cyrusvile6622]

Is the title made to piss of Linus tech tips lol

[@triple-gq6mn]

This video came out first though

@@triple-gq6mn except this is a year old and Linus had a video two years ago so.....

[@triple-gq6mn]

@ I believe his comment was in reference to this video by Linus: kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGTZm4qqitV8qs0 they both happened 5 months ago.

[@akbarnotoponcobimantoro3865]

No, i think, hot air will affect fan much greater than water cooling. Especially in country that lined up with equator, clearly has hotter air :" I think that it is the nature of water has cooler degree than air. But also it depends on how big the cpu is

[@GeneralNOH]

@@akbarnotoponcobimantoro3865 its just because water picks up and loses heat much quicker than air, but at a lower ambient temp air is good enough and can pick up enough heat to keep up with a water setup in the same environment

[@aerith784]

Thank you for metric system) from all european subscribers :)

[@geniumme2502]

@moo haha i was about to say exactly that

[@goyangi2014]

genium me same

[@CinestesiaAnime]

Well... not only european, but also American subs, here in México we dont use that imperial trash. XD

[@Daniel-ds5ld]

@@chuckmiller5763 Poor chuck, full of hate.

[@R2D2trashcan]

Amen from Australia

[@alaestorweissman5252]

I just realized; Jay's hair makes him look like a hedgehog

[@DawidDoesTechStuff]

Oh, I was doing it because I thought my PC was thirsty. I'll see myself out.

[@the.shotgun.approach]

lol

[@King_DarkSide]

Right behind you. I even gave mine a straw.

[@jyuan1999]

yea i came all over it

[@ayres1638]

Mine was craving curry it must have been allergic ):

[@jyuan1999]

Gatorade is best, Hardware likes electrolytes.

[@AmirhoseinHerandy]

It's all nice and good until you find out it's gonna cost 700$ :D

[@tylerdunn4122]

Amirhosein Herandy same

[@jjt171]

thats less than half of my current pc build budget lol

[@hweezy9570]

Just a Tiger thing weird flex but ok

[@plasmancer6104]

found a really nice water cooled system and thought, I could try to build that, already got a full and good pc, what is a bit for water cooling... cheaper version of what I was copying was still over a grand AUD, my PC cost 1.5... oh

[@dhairya8238]

Or $70 of you're brave enough to use AliExpress

[@officepony6717]

"Making Lemonade out of Satan's ball sweat" is now my favorite saying.

[@karlchristianbognot1842]

Instructions Unclear My local pool somewhat electrocutes my neighbors.

[@__-dd4du]

At 8:46 when you “passive cooled” the GPU the temperature drop was so significant because the liquid in the loop was 30 C, if you would let that loop run the liquid would warm up and so would the GPU.

[@kaldo_kaldo]

He did that, after the initial showing. It didn't change.

[@0M0rty]

If anything it showed that the cooler is poorly designed for air and that the heat wasn't properly dissipated from the die into the actual air cooler. Proper heatpipes would do a much better job at transfering the heat, instead of hot liquid sitting on top of the die not being cooler properly.

[@TheSkepticSkwerl]

@@kaldo_kaldo he didn't do that. letting it sit for 2 mins isn't letting it sit, the water would keep it cooler to a degree, but the water would heat more and more over time. his long pipes would have a play in cooling as well.

[@davebrown3117]

@@TheSkepticSkwerl True, he did that to demonstrate the water has a higher heat capacity than air. With a larger volume of coolant, it would have taken much longer for it to heat up even without fan assistance of the radiator.

[@miychaeolit]

Gameming Tech Project forgot to use punctuation marks bro? I believe you make a fair point, I just had a hard time understanding it. 😅

[@OTechnology]

"Passive cooling" well passive as in just using the latent heat ability of water...try running passive for a few hours and you'll boil the water.

[@johnwolf2349]

+le paw That only works because you have huge amounts of radiators, you know. Running the loop in this video passive would certainly either boil the water or make the card thermal throttle/shutdown.

[@pascal2085]

"latent heat" is not what you meant. "Latent heat is thermal energy released or absorbed, by a body or a thermodynamic system, during a constant-temperature process - usually a first-order phase transition." (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_heat)

[@thetaprotocol9598]

le paw 1K is not 1C if you're at 30C you're at 303K. Whatever you're at in Celsius add 273 to that, and you will have the Kelvin

[@saltysteel3996]

Water boils at 100 Celsius. I don't think there's a CPU or GPU in existence that would reach that temp without melting down and never working again. The water would only heat up to the same temp as the chip that's heating it. The most it would heat up to is in the high 80s before shutting down.

[@GReaper]

Just remember, if the radiator is horizontal and flat, the heat will cause the air to move on its own via convection. Not the most efficient, but it would work.

[@332sjbender]

So I guess this begs the question: " At what operating temp do you consider it is time to make the push over to water cooling?"

[@jerry8826]

1c

[@jordanhooper1527]

20-30 I guess..

[@boostedmedia]

Nice timing. I'm gonna be shooting a video tomorrow about PC thermal management. I'll definitely reference this video now for people who want to see the theory in action :)

[@darioampuy]

2 things: liquid cooling starts cool but once your liquid is saturated it stays hotter than air cooling. The reason liquid cooling is more efficient is NOT because the liquid, but because you are using radiators 2 to 4 times bigger than the dissipators you are replacing. The water (or other liquid) is just a transporter, the real reason your hardware stays cool is the massive dissipators in the other side of the loop. You put the same area surface in an air cooler attached directly to the die and you get the same results without the issues inherent to water cooling (leaks, corrosion, noise, energy, maintenance, complexity)

[@redessencegaming9927]

Dario Ampuy and you try to get the same surface with air cooling without your system sounding like a jet engine or the entire thing being fans, because water cooling is silent af

[@bratislavmilenkovic3509]

OMG, watercooling noob alert!

[@darioampuy]

RedEssence Gaming come on dude, think... If you use a radiator with the same area surface as the dissipators of an air cooler you will make more noise because you will need faster fans plus the noise of the pump. The reason you don't seem to notice it is because you are using huge radiators and bigger fans to achieve the same result

[@darioampuy]

moo water cooling need a lot of maintenance. Gaskets and seals degrade over time. Dyes and additives in the fluid degrades too and need to be replaced or you risk clogging the system. There is the always present risk or leak that will kill your entire rig, and custom systems are 10 times more expensive than high end air cooling solutions

[@itaamelia6715]

actually it is related to the medium whether its an air or fluid, in heat transfer theres parameter called Reynolds and Nuselt number, water relatively has higher number thats way its more effective. the most simple example is when you compare cooling rate of hot rod in air and water

[@notgonnahappen7899]

It did NOT hit 126f!!! Those outside temp readings on your car dash are notorious for being wrong. If it hit 126 in SoCal, it would make national headlines as the hottest temp in history, by a large margin, for the area. 126f is Death Valley level temps. Official temps ranged from 109-113f on that day in question. Depending on where the monitoring station was located. Even those temps are not accurate reflections of air temps, air temps as record by sats will always be a few degrees lower. Ground temps get skewed by things like blacktop, which have no impact on things like the temp in your house or a loft.

[@TDG2654]

11:36 NO NO NO NO NO! You've said this before jay and it's still wrong. The room won't heat up more, just because the the loop pulls the heat away from the dye more efficiently. The only reason the heat output is higher, is because the total thermal conductivity of the watercooling loop is lower than that of an air cooler, meaning the delta T needed to get heat put out by the chip is lower, the software allows the chip to consume more power and thus outputting more heat. Without GPU boost (or Turbo Boost for CPUs) the heat output of the system would be exactly the same.

[@1snico1]

Yeah, went looking for a comment like this. Otherwise great video but the room definitely wouldn't heat up more.

[@TDG2654]

David Whitfield it won't, so even saying it may is wrong

[@shadow-r3852]

Hello there I agree that his reason is wrong. But I don't think his statement is off: When you have a liquid cooled PC part you can have more boost clock - which puts out more heat and therefore heats up your room more than the air cooling counterpart. Sayonara! Shadow

[@Virtual_C_]

Finally, someone corrected him again. When I saw what he said, I was pretty pissed.

[@jasonlisonbee]

I wouldn't use a computer that needs liquid cooling. It's only necessary for a high heat output CPU in a room that is already too hot for comfort, and a PC that needs liquid cooling is going to raise your potential of a heat stroke. The exception is if it's in another room where the heat doesn't transfer to where I am.

[@martinbrunswick4616]

why not spend your watercooling money on AC so both you and your pc can be cool

[@the23237]

*spends 97 on ac for one month, forgets to turn off oc, buys a 1000$ pc with no watercool*

[@ulkem]

lel

[@saidemransdt2065]

🤥😐

[@AllericEnslin]

I live in South Africa and it also gets around 45c on the daily in the Summer. So this video is super helpful actually. Glad I just switched to liquid cooling :) still Winter so excited to see it in the Summer times. Thanks Jay

[@skullhelmet1944]

TX3 Ulti time.com/10686/1-word-that-immediately-kills-your-credibility/

[@CoalitionGaming]

My main rig has a "full loop"......actually it's an AIO on the CPU and an AIO on the GPU. Close enough for me lol. Custom loop in the near future I hope. Rock on, man.

[@bradhaines3142]

Coalition Gaming i would personally do what you're doing, AIO on each separate, no fluids to change and still fully watercooled

[@CoalitionGaming]

Yeah, love the low/no maintenance aspect...also it was hugely cost effective and performs plenty well.

[@dom3827]

full loop would be vrm + cpu monoblock and gpu watercooling. But you should have more than one big radiator ^^ actually i am just running my cpu watercooled with 2 radiators ( SE 360 EKWB Slim and CE 280 EKWB ) My GPU is fine on air

[@CoalitionGaming]

Never heard anyone qualify "full loop" as requiring a monoblock lol.

[@dom3827]

well, i would define "full loop" as full loop. A loop with everything possible.

[@johneagle9925]

Air conditioning room + open test bench = Cooling Heaven , test your might with "35 Degree room" + "closed case".

[@_Davepocalypse]

You are now my favourite American, your translation from freedom units was most helpful.

[@justevil100]

Freedom units! Thank you, I needed the chuckle.

[@RedSunFX]

The freedom units need to be enslaved. For the good of everyone :P

[@AndreiTache]

_"Phil, you're not supposed to tilt the camera!"_

[@garrettk7166]

I appreciate the spoiler at the start. You didn't hijack a ton of my attention. Now I'm actually interested in hearing what the detailed results are.

[@Joe_Rebel]

80F-90F is a typical summer day here in Canada, Ontario. Best part: Winter gets to 0F-10F... yay.

[@SampsontheJuggernaut]

This is an honest question and I mean no offense. This test is by no means controlled. it's not realistic. When will mainstream channels like you, LinusTechTips, Pauls Hardware, etc. Start doing real, standardized testing one things. Honestly it seems like you just like stretching out content ideas like this until you've beaten all the monetization out of it as you can. Take the Gaming X 1080/ 1080ti do some tests, run your benchmarks, and then slap an average waterblock on it like something from EK or maybe a watercool heatkiller. and boom. As of now both your tests will be scewed because you have a card that is just okay at air cooling, and a just okay at watercooling. Not many people buy those cards with integrated waterblocks.

[@redessencegaming9927]

Tristan water cooling still would have come out on top my guy

[@fernandon3926]

fuck you

[@protolanhan9824]

I would like to see the temperature of the water cooling temp after 2-3 hours. Since as you said the temperature steadily increases after a longer time & I usually play for 2-4 hours when I have the time and rarely only play for only 20 minutes or so.

[@dunxy]

I been on water for a few years, started with aio but soon went custom, mostly for having gpu in loop because i would see my frames drop as card throttled here in summer. Custom loop, game for hours and my card runs at its power limit the whole time, never will i got back to air. CPU temps or oc limit aren't really hugely different vs a top notch air cooler, for me its all about the gpu cooling really. My gpu never hits 50c.

[@gateway_12a]

I did a ton of research on water cooling / product guide /set-up - so glad with my end result rig. So quiet / low temps all the time etc.

[@antoniodeleon6552]

People in Texas at 30c: wow that’s pretty cool weather

[@Zellonous]

Texan here. Yeah. I was out there pushing carts in 100f degree weather in a parking lot. However 86f degrees for indoor temp would make me very sad. I like the cold.

[@Jason-hz6cm]

@@Zellonous you should visit alaska

[@DavidAnderson-fr8ii]

Iam just south of Memphis Tn and in July and Aug the heat index can hit 120f. I keep my house at 80f year round. I have my main 3 computers all water cooled.

[@silmupelaa6349]

How about last few days?

[@christophershafer5615]

Shouldn't the loop be empty so it's air cooler only for the air cooler temps?

[@FleeceJohnsonDaBootyWarrior]

Christopher Shafer considering the water wasn't flowing anywhere, it's fairly accurate. The difference would be right around 3-5C, tops.

[@christophershafer5615]

Yes.

[@AusSkiller]

No, if anything he should have filled the loop with metal, the heat has to pass through the gap in the water block where the water is before it can get to the heatsink where the air cooling can dissipate it. Normally it would be metal between the GPU and heatsink, but by using water the thermal conductivity between the air cooled heat sink and the GPU die is significantly reduced making it a really unfair comparison, air would have made it even worse.

[@Azlehria]

Water isn't a one-way conductor, though. One of its major benefits for cooling is that it's a significant thermal mass - this is used in e.g. automotive engines to reduce warm-up time by *retaining* heat, which is the purpose of the engine's thermostat. So while filling the card's water block likely increased the conductivity to/through the air heatsink, it *also* provided another path for, and source of, heat to enter idle parts - whether on the GPU die itself or among the other actively-cooled components such as the VRM or VRAM. This will, hopefully obviously, have a negative effect on the feedback monitor controlling the clocks and voltage. In fairness to Jay, these definitely aren't the sort of considerations that immediately come to mind when your brain is baking in your skull.

[@christophershafer5615]

It's designed for air or water, the air test was performed with water in the system. Hot water moves, like boiling circulation.

[@Rahul129K]

It's good when GPU are factory hybrid cooling available ... Both air and water cooling included .. 👍

[@MyouKyuubi]

Air cooling doesn't have that much impact, but yeah, as far as min-maxing goes, air + water cooling is the ideal setup. :P

[@geniumme2502]

@@MyouKyuubi sadly those are kinda bad at both because of how the cooler has to be layed out, it wastes a lot of resource and optimization, so if money is no consideration full water cards are still better and full air is so extremely close that you will likely never find a difference - these hybrids just tend to be bad at both instead of giving both options

[@RitosM]

0:13 RIP Fred's Californian cousin

[@SimpleGunner]

the ending outtakes never fail for laughs

[@maxzett]

Same Problem again: Let it both run for an hour and then check temps. Also an open Testbench is a bad benchmarking setup.

[@maybelbdidit]

No it isn't. It's perfect. It shows you the absolute MAXIMUM you can get out of a card. They're not always meant to be what the average user experiences lmao.

[@jdejesus0017]

Hey Jay I may have a topic for your next video. Linus recently mentioned that video card manufacturers and game developers are paying less and less attention to multiple card configurations (SLI/Crossfire) and because of this scaling between 1 and 2 gpus is worse than ever. But he kind of passed over it without going too in depth. Maybe you can expand on this. So I ask you, do you think this is true? If so, how bad is it? (Maybe do a video testing a single 1080ti vs 2 1080ti in sli with a couple a modern games.) What do you think this means for the future? (Are game developers and/or video card manufacturers going to improve on dual card compatibility and drivers or do you think that this is something that eventually will disappear the same way nvidia eliminated 3-way and 4-way sli support.) Would you recommend, now in 2018, anyone to go with a dual card setup or if this is something that is more for bragging rights than actual benefit in performance? Also, what would you recommend: spending your money on a second gpu or on better cooling, meaning to water cool your gpu so it stays cooler and performs better because of this.

[@tonymorris4335]

I like this but the issue is that nobody seems to know how to use Nvidia's profile inspector to setup custom SLI configurations for games. I keep seeing this "They didn't support SLI in X title so it's dead" but I can go into profile inspector, set it up to use SLI, and 90% of the games it works fantastic on. If they do this they need to take the 5 seconds to google "profile inspector XXXXXX game title" and set each game up. Just because it's not plug and play doesn't mean it doesn't work... We're PC gamers, if we wanted it to be simple we wouldn't be on a water cooling video.

[@jdejesus0017]

I get what you're saying, and thank you for the reply, but I was referencing a video that Linus did a couple of weeks ago in which he tested a couple of games with 2-way sli and the scaling was terrible. I haven't tested it myself because I don't have two cards at the moment but I'm sure, or at least I hope, Linus knows how to setup sli correctly. Also he mentions in the video how bad the scaling is. Keep in mind, it's not if (X) game works with sli or not what I want to know. It's how good is the scaling between 1 and 2 cards, tested with a couple of modern games. The thing is that when Linus mentioned it he was trying to prove a point regarding the topic of that specific video, not that that was the topic of the video so he just went over it really fast. That's why I ask Jay (since he always asks his viewers recommendations for topics) to test this. Maybe he can take 4 to 5 modern games and with everything set up correctly, test how do they scale between 1 to 2 cards. So Jay if you're reading this I would really appreciate it. Right now I have one card (1070Ti). Do you think I should spend my hard earned money on a second card or do you think I should spend it on water cooling. It all depends on how much FPS difference am I going to get from that second card.

[@max9r773]

Jose U. I ran two FE 1080Ti's for about 6 months. I sold them and bought one Gaming X and OC'ed it (runs over 2000Mhz all the time). Scaling was just bad, I don't miss SLI 90% of the time. Edit: IMHO sell your 107Ti and get a 1080Ti rather than adding another card.

[@carlwells9504]

Jose U. I would think it's more a way to get the performance beyond what a 1080ti could give you, a good example is the new crop of high refresh rate 4k monitors coming. There will always a bunch of people looking to SLI/crossfire two cheaper cards (I was thinking of doing it myself for the odd game on my 4k TV) to get the 'same' performance as a flagship card at a cheaper price. But it just doesn't really cut it unless a specific game runs really well on that particular mix of Gpus. And then you get the Video RAM issue so you need a heap in BOTH cards anyway.

[@johntotten4872]

Even AMD awhile back said they CF support was not a big thing for them. I learned long ago, Just get the best single Gpu you can afford and enjoy. IIRC like less than 3% of people use SLI/CF why would/should a dev team spend hours upon hours coding for it when such a small percentage will take advantage of it (If they even buy that game). Driver coding is much more efficient and worthwhile to target the largest audience (People running a single Gpu). www.techpowerup.com/235699/amd-giving-up-on-crossfire-with-rx-vega

[@matonted]

9:22 why do the fans keep spinning when they were turned off?

[@FlesHBoX]

With no AC here, having been getting into the high 90s, my system has been a furnace in my bedroom, but I rarely see temps over 60. All hail water cooling!

[@MrPhins]

I would expect the water to be cooler in the beginning. But isn't there a point the water temp increases beyond anything an air cooler will produce?

[@sickbailey21]

you usually hit the peak liquid temps within like 5 minutes from what I can remember, less on a shorter loop and more on a larger one. EDIT: plus you have much more surface area to vent the heat when using the water radiators.

[@ekdromoi]

no

[@MichaelTheComputerGuy]

I was thinking the same thing. Once the heat saturates the water in the loop the temp will rise. If you let it run for an hour it will go up. Not sure how much but he should have shown that.

[@wolf16731]

Only if you don't have enough radiator for what you are trying to cool. So long as you have 120x120mm of radiator for each thing you are trying to cool, or 240x120mm of radiator for each thing that is overclocked, then you wont oversaturate your cooling system with heat to the point where it just keeps climbing like how you would think. My custom loop cools a Ryzen 1600X OC'd to 4ghz, GTX1070 OC'd to 2070mhz, and the motherboard vrm. Max temps in that order in C is 52, 55, and 33 all day any day. My radiator setup is overkill though just so I don't have to worry about over saturation. Using two 360x120mm radiators at 30mm thick.

[@kingoftheorient]

lmfao

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

I love how the fans never stop even when he set the fans to 0%.

[@CorentinLeman]

10:55 they are eventually off

[@theflyingspud]

For folks living near the equator (perceptual avg 31 degree C all year round), I've been hoping for such a video, so a big thank you!

[@oldsjunkie1]

Am I the only one around with a bit of nostalgic appreciation for the hum of fans just breaking the threshold of the headphones? Lets you know that machine is putting in work! I deleted my case so I can really get the hum of the push/pull Evo 212s on the CPU AND the GPU to carry into the rest of the house...

[@JROCThaGreat]

Smh, if you live somewhere Hot without AC, the last thing you should be worried about is your PC, much less the extra money to water cool it...you should go buy an A/C

[@michaelscanlan7905]

Joshua Jordan A lot of homes in cali dont have them because Cali generally isnt hot. We get random heat waves but its rarely consistently hot. Obvious depends where you live though, shout out to all the poor folk stuck in the Mojave

[@codywillis1618]

Michael Scanlan fuck not having AC lol

[@towldllr4854]

gotem

[@theecarking]

Michael Scanlan Hot af out here in the Antelope Valley. Lol.

[@josephikrakowski334]

Joshua Jordan you a stupid nigga

[@smoogles]

GPU air coolers have a footprint half of the size of the watercool, if you attached something ridiculous like the noctua nhd15 it would perform similarly and your computer wouldn't weigh 100lbs or have an extra point of failure (pump). You kind of skim over the main reason to watercool a GPU and that is to move the bulk of the cooler away from the card.

[@AndreasSolmanAndersson]

I actually bought the Dark Core mouse just because of your ads Jay, just wanted to throw that out there, much love!

[@asgallant1219]

Air vs water is all about how much heat you can move and how fast you can get rid of it. At the end of the day, it's metal to air heat transfer: material type, surface area, and air speed determine how good your cooling is. You can get air coolers and radiators with the same material types, and you can get fans to push whatever air speed you want. What watercooling brings to the table is the potential for increased surface area of the radiator, where there are practical limits to the surface area of an air cooler.

[@seb2750]

Jayz should have said he is wearing antistatic wrist band. XD

[@michaelsteffensen6844]

Water cooling your PC is only worthwhile if you have an interest in water cooling or extreme overclocking. Air cooling is good enough these days that you can run a decent overclock without the need for water cooling. I'm running a 6 core CPU at 4.2ghz and under load it never gets above 69 degrees on a reasonably compact Noctua cooler. A few years back I spent a fortune on water cooling, and it worked wonders in the sense that my GPU and CPU ran cooler, but that didn't afford me any real world performance gain. It was just a really expensive thing that looked nice in my PC. Let's not even get into the maintenance of a water cooling loop...

[@Raivo_K]

Same. Tho watercooling has it's uses where space constraints are a thing. Personally it would be intresting to see results with Raijintek Morpheus II slapped on the card with two EK Vardar or Corsair SP120 fans. That combo should do below 60c too even in a hot ambient environment.

[@kaiserwilhelmii1827]

Shit, amen

[@simoneastwood7583]

Same with me. X5675 @4.2GHz with a noctua nh d14

[@can1doathing663]

Lets not forget the other reason ppl used to water cool, noise. With good fans and a noise dampening case noise is no longer an issue either. My d5 vario makes more noise humming as it pumps than my gpu fan.

[@DmitriWeissman]

there are many reasons to use liquid cooling: 1. it's fun 2. it's quieter (if done right) 3. it keeps components cooler (if done right) I have a mini ITX with i7-4790K@4.8GHz+GTX 1070 at 2000MHz (it can do 2124MHz) running at ~50C while gaming in a room with 31-33C for the most part of the year. It can not be done on air. Is the performance worth 800$ of gear - nope.

[@garyvee6023]

I once worked years ago.., as a concreter.., in the "Little Sandy Dessert" (real place) in Western Australia and the Temp hit 54C for 4 days (but because it wasnt an official town, it didnt count) so my heart goes out to you. :((

[@DylRicho]

This video pretty much summarizes the conditions for most UK households during the summer these days.

[@sunnohh]

Metric is freedom, freedom from nonsense units.

[@nimrodery]

Sure, because 2743.2 millimetres is so much easier to measure than 9 feet.

[@nimrodery]

Yeah, Mr. Spock, 3/34ths of an inch is a bit ridiculous. But it also doesn't exist, so I don't spend much time worrying about it.

[@isodoublet]

Nimrodery, please tell me you won't procreate :\

[@nimrodery]

Why? Do you need assurance of a high dunce to genius ratio, to improve your odds?

[@isodoublet]

Oh my god hahahaha. A genius wouldn't say something like "because 2743.2 millimetres is so much easier to measure than 9 feet", you colossal moron. Guess what: 3 meters is easy to measure than 9.84252 feet too, you moronic mass of idiotic garbage.

[@vlaja29]

10:36 "about 31 C lower than we were on the fans on the factory curve" If my math is right 80-51 is actually 29. Just a note cause it got me confused at first.

[@paulrar4337]

This was a very good video. I line in Darwin Northern Territory Australia. For 80% of the time it's 32°c or more. I live in a rental so for those that are saying just put aircon in I don't have that option. I really appreciate the time and effort you guys put in and it's great keep up the good work

[@Gradypace96]

I don't think that lemonade from Satan's ball sweat would be all that good lol but i almost died when Jay said that. to funny

[@void4900]

I'm a simple man. I see pc, I click

[@Jayztwocents]

CLICK BAITED

[@GReaper]

PC fails because heatsink full of dust, buys new PC...

[@GReaper]

JayzTwoCents. LMAO

[@Brown614]

I'm a simpler man. I see mouse, I click.

[@amaanvzer6923]

Ur profile pic is relevant again

[@longnamedude3947]

The risks that a leaking liquid cooling based system creates in my opinion isn't worth it for the benefits that you gain, especially as if you really want a cooler GPU you just need to increase the area of heatsink that's dissipating heat from the GPU and equally increase air pressure to ensure consistent air flow speed through the larger heatsink, at the end of the day the only way you can truly cool better than using a direct contact heatsink is by using sub zero cooling using expensive hardware, all you do is move the heat away, so at some point watercooling will level out with direct contact heatsink air cooling because the air temps are the same

[@StevePatak]

By having fluid in the block, tubes, etc. even without the pump moving fluid you're giving the heat sink another pathway to dump heat so the "air cooling" number may have been lower than expected than if the block was completely dry.

[@DarkArachnid666]

One of the overlooked things about water cooling is that it allows the builder to better control the direction of the heat (which helps keep the system cooler, if done right).

[@lazycalf8150]

Please good water cooler - £200 Good air cooler £30 The only difference is if you want to overclock for long periods of time you kinda need the water cooling. But I live in England. I'll never need watercooling

[@THSieben]

Where the Fk did you get that prices of? England, the Brexit land of Unicorns

[@taeher683]

good air cooler for 30 euros will still land you around 60c on load. Even an AIO will keep it down to a cool 45c max load.

[@THSieben]

@@taeher683 Where do you get those specs? I have a Aio and before i had a arctic cooler on it. And "surprise" i get much better temps with my AiO now.

[@joshuadtaft]

"Oh, the studio is an oven? Let's do a water cooling video!" Jayz's's's version of turning lemons into lemonade.

[@Decent60]

There is one thing that I don't like about this, and that is Jay FILLED the loop BEFORE testing the AIRCOOLED portion. Now this doesn't change the over-all point of the video, however, what it does it change how much of a difference it makes. Point-in-case, when he turns on the pump, it starts dissipating the heat with the radiator. Meaning that the liquid had already gotten heat-soaked and was pulling off the block and down the tubing. This probably only reduced the heat by 5C max but would still be enough to prevent it from hitting the thermal limits that Jay was expecting. For those that are thinking that it's just "trapping" the heat there, you've forgotten that it's traveling down the line, to the reservoir, and also to the radiator. All of those points allow heat to dissipate into the air, with the radiator still passively dissipating regardless if the fluid is moving. I know he's probably just trying to save time but this also ruins the testing that he did stated he was trying to keep "apples-to-apples".

[@mostdope216]

I couldn't hate that thumbnail anymore than I currently do.

[@SleepyRulu]

I still aircooled my pcs but good video

[@Warbaby_]

Pedro Romano depends what radiator you use. Sure, if you use an AIO results may be similar, but if you custom loop (a good one) it will always outperform air.

[@ErgonomicChair]

NHD-15 has a hell of a lot of weight on the motherboard, and AIO's liek the Thermaltake 360mm out do it, as well as others. Sure they are only about 5-8 degrees cooler but that is still 5-8 degrees for much less weight. The NHD-15 is a winner when it comes to price and performance usually. But there are some 180mm AIO's that are actually only 30-40 more than the NHD-15 so, as prices for AIO's get cheaper and cheaper... The argument for the NHD-15 is only down to one thing. The fact it cools the VRM's too. Otherwise, there's not too much point going air over AIO other than longevity.

[@towldllr4854]

The "new" D15 will perform better than the current D15, and the current D15 outperforms most 240mm AIOs. I personally believe that the noctua is the easier to install, and if RAM clearance is not an issue, I believe air is the better option.

[@Warbaby_]

Pedro Romano there is no way a nhd15 is going to outperform the best custom loops. If you cooled a 1080ti and a high end processor with 3x360 rads like many cases now support it will perform better than any air cooler.

[@ErgonomicChair]

Weight is actually, very much, an issue. Snapped MOBO's being shipped with NHD-15's is still very much real and alive. If you are moving a case with an NHD-15 attached... I recommend you carry it flat, because any jarring etc, that's about six kilograms on the PCB and PCB's can be very thin especially if you are buying low to mid range MOBO's. If it's just plugged in and you have properly used the bracket and all your mounting screws, should be fine while stationary... Except some weaker PCB's will actually still bend that is just a fact. But moving a PC with an NHD-15 is in fact not the safest thing in the world. Even then, custom loops can have considerable gains over AIO's and NHD-15's, strong enough pumps can drop the temperatures drastically even in long term play. The only thing is the NHD-15 will return to idle temps faster when done. Also, again, the NHD will cool your VRM's which is a huge benefit, but you can set your case up to deal with that.

[@GearSeekers]

Water Cool all the things!

[@joeyhillers9460]

Gear Seekers Except the power supply.

[@theecarking]

Noob Plays I think they have that too. Lol.

[@VileLasagna]

Not sure if there are any available right now but Koolance used to have a watercooled PSU. Was really beefy too, 1600W I THINK. It was a weird product though as a fan of decadent ridiculousness I can see the appeal

[@GearSeekers]

They definitely have water cooled PSU's!

[@emperorSbraz]

buy copper bar, cut&drill copper bar, screw copper bar to the psu heatsink, realize you measured wrong, repeat, now it's good. drill psu casing, attach any waterblock to the bar sticking out of the psu. done. you could even get fancy and drill the bar for fittings and run water through it. even better solder the bars with solder and a blowtorch and make an actual waterblock..

[@TheWebboxchannel]

3:39 And that's why you clap, kids

[@chefonerecords6014]

Thanks for the video help a lot here on PR

[@tIhIngan]

Great idea for a video. I would prefer to see a same card with the best air cooler, then switch that card to a waterblock. I don't like "compromise" heatsinks that do both air and water.

[@jamesonyshchak3186]

"freedom units", love it 😂

[@jeffersonrexc]

loved that close up you said making lemonade. i use a noctua cooler on my i6700k oc to 4.6 paird with a 1080ti in a non ac room and works just fine. im too much of a scaredy cat to attempt to even try watercooling my system. i do watch all you vids and a big fan

[@KleinMeme]

After I watched your videos i was so fascinated that I have to give it a try and build my own first custom water cooked PC. :3 I don't regret it and the results are great. I was able to avoid many mistakes from the beginning with your guides. And I wanted to thank you, Jay! :3 I have almost 30C in my rooms, without an AC unit these days. (very common were I live) And the results are great with that system. :D

[@cfcreative1]

The benefits are the life of your CPU because you are constantly keeping it at a lower temperature than air. The silent computing benefit of having a quieter PC.

[@epicwolf]

cfcreative I aired cooled my system and i built it in 2012. That system still running and cpu still cool just fine. I also have a new rig but to say air cooling will make your system not last is just false

[@PhillipMiass]

10 internet points for calling them "Freedom Units"!

[@lacucaracha111111]

one of the main reasons, maximum cooling surface possible in a case and direct expelling from the case out and not into the case.

[@user-de3zc6bm6u]

Hey man, thanks for the dedication and perseverance. I'm currently planning my first custom loop and, well, you're an inspiration, in what you make and how you make it.

[@DeathComeInPeace]

how did it go? :)

[@user-de3zc6bm6u]

@@DeathComeInPeace ups, downs. But well overall, I've been using the pc for nearly 4 years now and I'm still very happy with it

[@DeathComeInPeace]

@@user-de3zc6bm6u Great to hear that. As for me, I've built a couple of PCs in the last 10 or so years but I've just started to get interested in custom loops seeing the performance and the looks :). Maybe one day I'll have my own custom cooling.

[@daedaluxe]

I'll always stay with air.

[@Mr_Spock512]

Same here ... I don't overclock so I don't need/want the hassles of a water cooling solution.

[@daedaluxe]

Even with overclocking air is enough for a lot of CPUs, I have my i5 6600k at 4.4ghz and it rarely goes above 72c full load with an NH D50. GTX 1080 full load avg temp is 76c so I'm fine with that.

[@inovumia325]

I still have a hyper 212+ on an i7 3770k at 4.7ghz. Never seen it go above 80 degrees c, even with prime95.

[@lashyndragon]

Hyper212 push/pull ftw! And no maintenance to speak of. I don't need to be less than 60°c

[@bulzaiguard]

Same i am pretty happy with my Dark Rock pro 3 i see no need for water (and gpu well the aftermarket coolers are good enough) only reason i see is looks

[@lonewolf49707]

"Make Lemonade out of Satan's ball sweat." I about spit my coffee all over when he said that. LOL

[@nathanmuench37]

9:13 *Reasons Jay is enjoyable to watch "I haven't even turned on the radiator yet folks!"

[@xyzhero8480]

It helps to also have a big reservoir as you can see with Jay's setup. The big reservoir helps to dump some of the heat if not most of it when your fans are blowing warm/hot air to cool the radiator.

[@patrikoreb6722]

Says "freedom units", but lives in california

[@Redbikemaster]

Thought that too.

[@bassage13]

I was just laughing at his California "heat wave." I live in Phoenix.

[@Loli_lover206]

Kek

[@Delgen1951]

yes he does, now try that in oh Alabama were the temp is running between 95 F or 35 C to 101f or 38.333C with 71% humidity.

[@ossme]

But... wouldn’t it be cheaper to just buy an AC unit ? X)

[@axelblack1799]

Probably not when counting in Power Usage. AC's are Thirsty bois.

[@capnsmashem3284]

Yes, it would, and it would keep you AND your pc much cooler...

[@cubematrixstudio7605]

@@axelblack1799 and a 1200 watt PSU isn't?

[@axelblack1799]

@@cubematrixstudio7605 Depends on utilization. A 1200w PSU isnt going to be drawing 1200w all the time, thats just not how electricity works. It only ever draws as much as it needs at the time. Also, Air conditioners usually use around 3.5kw, nearly 3x that 1200w PSU at max load.

[@cf5909]

That would be cool to work with Jay, i bet hes really cool to hang out with. Hes not obnoxious but hes not quiet... very cool man.

[@thatonedude5237]

I have to correct something you said there at 11:35. The rate of heat dissipation will not make a room hotter if he device creating the heat does not create more heat. All you will do is make the device cooler as it will not produce more heat to compensate for the rate of cooling. On the contrary electrical devices produce less heat when they are kept cooler. The electrical traces and wires have a lower resistance at lower temperatures and thus will put off less heat. Back before CPUs had thermal safeguards and speed stepping there was a well known term called thermal runaway. This is a condition where a change of temperature creates a circumstance that generates more heat. This eventually overwhelms your cooling solution and the only way to stop it was to power down until it cooled off.

[@degreesdegrees-jr4eg]

1. Overclock is to no use in 2018 . 2. A Good Air fan. without water. dods do the job just fine.

[@drakZes]

Name of video: "THIS is why you should Watercool your PC!". Then in the video @ only 80% fan speed on air GPU cooler the GPU doesn't even get hotter 80%. So this just shows that you don't need Watercooling lol.

[@AF1Creed]

But some watercooling comes with RGB (robust gaming boost) so it could help out a lot with performance

[@abyssalreclass]

I have my radiator mounted in the top of my case so that air can naturally flow through by convection, and I found that I have enough headroom in my loop that I can turn my radiator fans off during idle and low load. It was quite surprising.

[@sxxxychocolate]

may have to check out that Poseidon. its like having the best of both cooling options.

[@banana_junior_9000]

I'll stick with naturally-aspirated, like an old Volkswagen Beetle.

[@EvansWS6]

Do this with a CPU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not GPU

[@geniumme2502]

yea my thoughts too when i clicked cause of the title.... i dont think he will do that again - last time didnt go so well for a watercooling fan (see what i did there ?)

[@liquidghost8949]

I have both my gpu and CPU water cooled

[@christopherromberg82]

I love the look and that you can overclock af...but i still an air fan ;)

[@TriggeredWorkz]

I live in Texas and was not prepared for the snow last year and my central heat broke. I went all around the city and everyone was sold out of heaters and even heat lamps so i just sealed off my bedroom and played on my pc to heat up my room 😂 and it worked pretty well

[@callmenorman631]

I threw some water on my pc to cool it now it broken you lied about water cooling :(

[@evancarrow95]

@JayzTwoCents This is not a very scientific way to test this at all. When you tested the air cooling alone, the GPU is only being cooled by the heatsink. However, when you test the water cooling, you're still getting help from the heatsink that's attached to the GPU. Basically you tested air cooling vs air cooling + water cooling. No, the fans aren't running, but it is still being passively cooled by the heatsink. The only true way to test this is to for instance test a Strix card with the Strix cooler, and then remove the heatsink and put a water block on it and test it that way too.

[@dsullivan777]

Also, given waters high specific heat, would it not make cooling the components more difficult to cool in the air cooling test?

[@np66uh]

Great video and many tnks for good tutorials you made Jayz!

[@michaela.segarra461]

Come and get a fresh glass of Jay's newest product just in time for that summer time heat.... Satan's Ball Sweat.... Come and taste that lemon flavor! =D

[@skateboarder9070]

Several months later,Linus posted a video why you shouldn't watercool your pc

[@thefelix7767]

Yeah but in that video he specifically said they only tested AIO's and that custom loops weren't a fair comparison, which is what this PC is using.

[@kolllar2391]

Aio cpu are garbage, but a full watercooling loop (cpu + gpu) is better performance (but more expensive yep). Reachin the 48°c with a air cooling is impossible on a GPU.

[@a.i.g9916]

Ah I see a video below by Linus recommends why you shouldn’t watercool your pc.

[@tfm2934]

Lo and behold and surprise; that video is not about custom loops and not about GPU's :)

[@pigeonpallz1733]

i live in southern california too !!! its hot depending on how south you are im close to mexico so summer gets round 115F maybe 120F at max

[@socaliguy81]

Probably one of my favorite topics you've covered so far. Thank you!

[@jakobw135]

Bottom line: water and electronics - DON'T MIX! :-)

[@KazuhiraG]

Don't need watercooling if you live with 5c in your room

[@Zellonous]

I wonder how cold it'd need to be in the room for one to be able to run without any cooling at all.

[@KeppyKep]

Was already starting to open a new tab, grumbling to myself, when you gave the degrees C. Thankyou

[@kelbydude94]

did any one notice that the fluid was already in the system when doing the air test. the fluid will flow whenever it gets heated due to its natural tendencies. so it was unintentionailly cooling the system. also it was filling a space normailly filled with air. im totaly in aggreance that the liquid cools better but i think it would have been more drastic of a diffrence without the fluid in the system