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[@MsHUGSaLOT]

yes you should do separate videos like this for every component in a water cooling loop. Viewers can pick and choose which videos to watch at will. More content from you and more fun!!

[@lezickzack2569]

+1

[@davidsepulveda100]

+another

[@thorphelan7615]

Agreed

[@TheAlienwaredude]

+2

[@zachdurocher1166]

+ +

[@JJSideshowBob]

5 years later, still helpful. Just finished my first custom loop. Thanks a lot!

[@zoommair]

Ok, you've convinced me. I've been against water cooling since I've been into computing back in the 90's, and your videos have finally convinced me it's worth trying. BTW, this video separate was great, I had a lot of questions on reservoirs and pumps that you just answered. Thanks

[@loboradix7921]

I just wanted to thank you Jay - for all the video's and all the info. I've been building PC's since 386's - but thanks largely to your video's I finally took the plunge and did my first water coolings system on my new rig. It was - frustrating at first, but tolerable thanks to your input. At first I swore I'd never do another water loop, but as time has passed from the initial build, and I've changed out fluid, added another radiator(completely gratuitous - 11 x 120mm now, but I may add .. one more single 120mm .. just because :) , and swapped out tubing, I started finding it fun, even meditative. My latest revision saw me adding enough tubing to use the slide out trays in my corsair 1000D case without disconnecting anything, It turned out to be a really good call when my leak test showed up with 2 different issues, both from manufacturer end caps on 2 different multiported radiators (one leaking THROUGH the center of a plastic cap), and other was a small piece of flashing that need to be removed on a port (that broke the seal on an o-ring). So again - THANK YOU - for getting me over the initial learning curve and getting me thinking.

[@EasternSkvngr]

Jay, I've been building computers my whole life but when I first started watching you maybe a year and a half ago give or take was when I REALLY started getting into the custom builds (also you just mentioned Forza 6 and I just happen to be playing it now...) and no other KZbinr that I've watched or watch daily talks on a face to face feeling way as you do and I really just want to say keep up that unique aspect of your channel because no matter the subscriber count you are the best computer/tech/whateverthefuckyouwantittobe channel in mine.....and I'm sure in a lot of peoples eyes.

[@boundless8288]

Old vid , but this info will help I do hydronic calc’s , it’s resistance over distance , and elevation . Every inch of hight adds resistance , 90s and T’s add add huge amount of resistance , off to the top of head , a12” tee adds 25 feet of distance and resistance which is called friction loss ..and not to correct jay , but they don’t make reservoirs with a secondary ports for a pump and rad to cool them .. would be nice and a huge reservoir would make a lot of sense

[@baustinmcmanus1991]

Jay, I absolutely love your videos and have been a subscriber for a long time. In my eyes, you are the water cooling god, that's for sure. One small gripe I have is with the reservoir statement you made. While I do agree, reservoirs that will fit in a computer case will not show any real difference in temperature, the point that you made about a gallon of capacity not adding to the cooling capacity is, in my opinion, false. With a larger capacity like that sure, it will heat up to an equilibrium and level out, but since it will be in such a large capacity vessel, it will have time to dissipate some heat, even if it is within the margin of error. The amount of time it will take for the fluid to circulate through that large of a reservoir will allow it to lose some of it's heat through thermal transfer through the material it is housed in to the air. Just like copper tubing, which acts as a crude heat sink. Just my two cents! Now back to JayzTwoCents! Thanks for listening to my ramble.

[@LeaveMasonAlone]

I'd just like to toss in some info, not that it matters much, but POM and acetal are the same material! It's known as Acetal, POM, or Delrin (DuPont's trade name for the material). It has a very wide variety of uses, and typically comes in either white or black, and occasionally in its natural color which is a sort of ivory. It's very popular for water cooling parts because it has a very high melting point andis very thermally insulative; it's good for keeping the heat inside your loop and not leaking the heat into your system like metals would, and as an added bonus it's an absolute dream to machine. It cuts very smoothly and does pretty much exactly what you need with no fuss. It's overall a perfect material for the application.

[@sanjurohanamizuki6181]

dig the idea of vids for each component in a water loop .. still learning about such and have been for a long time whilst saving for my first loop , you are very informative , and well if you love talking about it , talk away man , the information is priceless

[@scottheikkila2647]

I would say that deep dive into components would be helpful to people like me who don't have the time and resources to test things out. I appreciate you videos they are always educational and well thought out. Thank you very much.

[@ericdavis2926]

Old school water cooler here when it was first started myself and a friend of mine used garden water pumps for ponds that was close to 20 years ago I wish I had pic's of my first set up I used a heater core for my rad and a chunk of copper drilled out and a Plexiglas top and rvt silicone to seal it lol since then I've retired it many many moon's ago now running a Raystorm 750 EX240 and love it the only issue I had was the Led mounting on the Res kinda sprung a leak so thinking back to my old days grabbed some water resistant sealant and glued the led in so hopefully here soon I am going to add another res and pull the pump out of this Res I am running Distilled water with thermal take additive since it was built it was drained once and refilled after testing the ph balance of the coolant I don't remember the ph level but it was reusable... My system Specs are Asus P9X79 WS (The only socket 2011 board I could find) Cpu I7-3820 Stock clock 3.60 Over clocked to 4.3 Stable Crucial 16gb and Kingston 8gb DDR3 totaling out to 24gb's (Had all 4 sticks just laying around same speeds and figured what the hell lets see how well they work together lol) Video twin Evga Nvidia GeForce GTX 660's In SLI with both running 16x thanks to the 40 PCIE Lane's and the my case is a tower Raidmax AUGUSTA which is claimed to be a gaming tower but had to modified the mother board tray to fit my motherboard due to the size of it and last a 2tb WD HDD which is almost full (I game alot) as well as do the Digital movies since I run my monster thew a Vizio TV. Well there are my spec's I know it doesn't come close to any of your builds but it does what I built it for... One thing I forgot was my Cpu temp's under load max temp on a warm summer day I was hardly hitting 110f the video card's are fan cooled and they hit on BF4 126f top and 127f at the bottom, I wanna water cool them but due to lack of funding and not being able to find water blocks for Evga 660's has basically put that wish to rest for now, Let me know whatcha think about my set up..

[@lazarusmagellan2367]

My neighbor totaled his Cummins, so i too, his fass 150gph loft pump. Works like a charm for water cooling!

[@ravewulf]

Tip for filling a system with a single slot bay reservoir: keep the bay at the top of the loop and open it up to let air out. Put a T-fitting at the bottom of the loop then attach a quick disconnect and a long bit of tubing (long enough to go from the bottom of the loop to a height above the highest point of the rest of the loop) and use it for both filling and draining. This makes it a lot easier to bleed your loop as the liquid displaces the air without needing to trickle down or leaving a lot of air pockets.

[@Photoshopuzr]

I remember those days. Today things are much more easy to water cool. Jay is the man, his teaching is the real deal.

[@ArcadePC]

I have a Koolance 401X2 Single 5.25in Reservoir. Only problem is it holds just 4 oz or so of liquid. Not much at all per section but it does get the job done and it allows to DDC pumps to be installed on the res for a nice compact fit. I also have two loops. One is a 420mm rad for the CPU (9590FX) and a 280mm rad for the GPU. I use Mayhem's Blood Red Coolant in my system and everything is working great.

[@csabeee2566]

I have made a reservoir (huge one - 750ml) from an old Decathlon water bottle, that has the exact same size at the end, as a 50mm diameter reservoir has, so you can just add the standard bottom of a tube there (you can buy it separately). Reservoir bottom - 20$, water bottle - 2$.

[@AngelLuisTrinidad]

Thanks Jay for sharing all your knowledge. Believe or not is greatly appreciated.

[@TheSilentHearts]

Seriously, I'd love to hear you talk about the way different GPU block designs work.

[@brechanfraser5797]

Hold on there Jay...EK actually has 2 other pumps that they were selling on their site prior to the D5 and DDC they have now; the DCP 2.2 and the DCP 4.0 - the DCP 4.0 that I have now came standard with a 3 pin connection so as to connect to a decent fan controller (the current DCP 4.0 has a separate PWM connection).

[@Jayztwocents]

What are you talking about? I never said that D5 and DDC are the only pumps available. I have an EK 4.0 right here on my desk. And again they are rebrands

[@brechanfraser5797]

+JayzTwoCents True. If you're going to explain to folks just starting out that there's only 2 pumps out there worth any form of salt, then I think you're going to scare a few away - possibly on cost alone. I agree that the Laing pumps are great; but I found on my 1st build - after a short F/U with a bay res + built-in pump - that the EK DCP 4.0 was all my budget could afford, and it was one hell of a pump + it already had G1/4 threads built in. I'm not trying to call you out - and I apologize if that's the way it came out - I really think that folks just getting into this form of PC cooling need all the information they can possibly ingest prior to getting into it.

[@UnderwearThief]

Woooahh Jay has no chill

[@brechanfraser5797]

***** Just in case you misread what I typed in response to Jay's video... " If you're going to explain to folks just starting out that there's only 2 pumps out there worth any form of salt... "

[@brechanfraser5797]

UnderwearThief And that statement means what - in terms that some of us old farts can understand (lol).

[@SuperMMCK]

Lol :D You're spot on most of the time. Underpressure and overpressure (air) can be debated (high pressure equals high temps at the same volume, but differences are too little to differ much in a vented system) However, water volume does matter. It takes longer to heat up a higher volume of water. Systems with a reservoir are usually more effective than the closed loops of pre manufactured AIO (with similar components) So you need to correct that. ;) I know it is hard, talking about little volumes and big volumes, but you can do it :D

[@ShaneMcGrath.]

Would love to see separate videos on each component, Also a video on hard tube bending, How to measure and where to measure to, how hot to bend, removing burs, How tight to do fittings up, What seals/o rings are used etc etc. Maybe on your next build you could do an in depth tutorial going a bit further than you did on skunkworks for water cooling noobs.

[@yalemullins1423]

I'm glad i watched this video. Starting a new liquid set up with my pc because of recent heating issues. Learned alot, thanks.

[@juergenhaessinger4518]

Thank you for this educational video. A video on each component, to me, is a great idea. A video on each component provides a more in depth discussion and more insight to what effect it has to the system as a whole. Many thanks.

[@gummybearkiller1]

There are one kind of reservoir that you forgot. I got a Zalman Reserator in wich I placed a eheim compact 600. That reservoir chills the water because it's also a radiator. I used it to cool a core 2 duo 8500 running at 4.4 ghz for a couple of years and never measured a higher temp than 57 degrees once. Mostly it was around 40 degrees. Now I run it with a new pump and tubing+block and a 280 radiator with 2 noctua 140 silent ones. The system is almost completely silent. Oh, I forgot to mention that it also cools my single gpu. One noctua 140 silent in the front and a 120 in the back. The Zalman Reserator is a great beast. And not made for moving the computer to often, haha.

[@Blacklab412294]

FYI - time index 6:15 - you could have ran three 45 degs and dropped the 90's. Just one of the 45's would been at an angle. Just thought I point that out. I have done that in sprinkler systems to make long 90's instead of short 90s. Long 90's don't give you the back pressure that short 90's do.

[@philipp594]

Love you Jay, but pom is acetal and the laing ddc was developed for watercooling of computer systems and comes with a standard top with barb fittings that can be used for liquid cooling.

[@MAMAsb0y]

So if you're using a DDC pump should you water cool your water cooling?

[@Jayztwocents]

Yes

[@catseatball22]

yo duag I heard u like to water cool your water cooling wile your water cooling your water cooled pc

[@ethanfarabaugh1570]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@enigmacrk200]

No, it's: yo dawg I heard you like water cooling so I water cooled your water cooler!

[@Player-px1jq]

@@Jayztwocents now I´m sitting here waiting for Water blocks for Radiators ...

[@TechByMattB]

Custom water cooling is so unnecessary, yet so beautiful.

[@TinchoX]

+Tech By Matt Sometimes it's actually necessary, for example, try to cool off a FX9590 CPU with air!!

[@totinospizzarolls4737]

Yea, water cooling in most cases is not recommended. if there is a tier up in CPUs and GPUS, that will be better, even if the water is bios flashed and the air stock clocked.

[@ronycool1999]

trust me with a stock r9 290, it is neccesary

[@AWSimDrifter]

+josh Subet Wtf your comment makes no sense - water cannot be bios flashed and air cannot be stock cooled. Trust me though, after trying both air and water, the latter is definitely better! I've had a Cooler Master Hyper 212, a Cooler Master TPC-800 and the Phanteks PH-TC14PE air coolers. The Phanteks allowed me to stably OC my FX-8320 to 4.8GHz@1.45V which is still pretty damn good. However, with a 420mm radiator, I can push the FX-8320 higher to 5GHz@1.52V AND have the fans spin at one of the lowest RPM's all while keeping under 65C when gaming. To dissipate half the amount of heat on air, the fans had to be turned up to pretty high RPM's meaning it was incredibly noisy. I couldn't even get the CPU to 5GHz on air as it would heat past its thermal limit to around 76C and would cause too many instabilities. To sum it up, watercooling keeps the components cooler and does so with less noise. It's a win win situation.

[@Hexthrill]

+TinchoX He said CUSTOM water cooling. Because you don't use custom water cooling means you use air? No it means you just get an AIO water cooler, not custom.

[@MyKeyz]

Jay you're wrong.. think about it you said you could have gallons of fluid and it wouldn't make any difference but that is not true. You know that water also does emit energy to it's surround area? That means at a certain mass of water the water would cool down faster by the atmosphere then the PC would heat it up. That means you could take fish tank with 100L or more for cooling and forget about radiators. That's basic Physik. HERE THE MATH : In order to heat up 100L of water (20c) to 80C in exactly 60 min, so that the PC would throttle, your PC would need to use 7000 (6983,33) Watts of power straight for 1 hour. (M= Mass, C = Heat capacity of water per kg, T = Temperature difference, K = Kelvin) Now to the calculation: Delta Q = m x c x delta T Delta Q = 100kg (Liters) x 4190J/kg x K x 80K = 25.140.000 Joule = 6983,3333333333 Wh And that's why in a normal scenario over a reasonable time period (8 Hours) a PC with even 1200W usage would not overheat.

[@conorhayes970]

physics*

[@MyKeyz]

+HeyImThePsychoGamingLemon Wow, I guess you know that you're right when someone can only correct a word that your auto correction wrote. Get a beer, I'm from Germany...

[@deathhorndisst9780]

Actually he is right. IN A CLOSED LOOP. The only difference it will make is how long it takes to achieve its avg and max temp. The fish tank isn't closed off, it has a lid that is open to the air around it.

[@MyKeyz]

+DeathHornDisst And you think that would make a difference? You know I'm talking about energy given to the acrylic from the water that get's cooled off by the air? I hope you know that you run your loop the first week or so with an open plug on the res? A friend of mine ran dual 7990 on a testbench with a 40L "reservoir" and benched it for straight 2 hours without any radiators and max temp was 55C on the hottest gpu.. learn something about physics.

[@deathhorndisst9780]

........ There is a reason I capped that sentence......

[@solomonshv]

I'm using an EK (Lowara) D5 PWM pump that runs at about 40%. it pushes through EK supremacy EVO and EK GTX 980 Ti Classified full cover water blocks. also through an EK-CoolStream PE 480 and Alphacool NexXxoS 280mm UT60 rads without a problem. when i was first filling my loop, the pump was having trouble pushing the water through, but once the entire loop was filled the water started moving super fast. i actually have another bare EK \ Lowara D5 PWM pump sitting in drawer that i was going to add to the loop, but it looks like I won't be needing it. i wouldn't recommend a DDC pump no matter what. they are LOUD!! if you are short on space just use a smaller res to make room for a D5. thank me for this advice latter.

[@clintonanderson2892]

Please do more water cooling loops. When I first started considering mine, it was your older videos that got me started. Would be nice to see a redo of some of them with updated information. They are about 2 years old now if not a bit more. Would love to see the component broken down and explained also. Good information is never bad.

[@TinchoX]

Good vid, I learned quite a few things about pumps and reservoirs, for example, I thought bigger reservoirs was better and kept your fluid cooler but you just said it doesn't make a difference! Good stuff.

[@Markes12344_L]

Look into a XSPC 2x5.25 res/D5 pump, it saved space, easy to fill (case dependant) easiest thing to mount. But yes smallish res, couple pump cycles.

[@davidmiller5832]

I saw couple other comments about the res. and cooling. The res. will change the temp. Not anything substantial or relevant, but it does. Anytime you feel heat, in anything, it is absorbing energy, in this case thermal. And expelling that energy away from its original source. It's the same way the radiators work. All they are are reservoirs. They get hot and we add fins to the surface of the container to cool the *more* efficiently. But even without the fins, some thermal energy is lost just off the surface. In the case of a computers reservoir, the surface area isn't substantial enough, relative to the rest of the system, to make it a factor. If your reservoir was big enough it would have more surface area and eventually become more efficient than a 360 radiator. Just adding my penny in the pot

[@corne3228]

Man i would love to watch videos that focus on every part of watercooling and really going in depth . I want to get a custom loop and it would be my first one so any videos or tips that could help me avoid any dump screwups would be Awsome

[@krickerd]

Thanks Jay. I was wondering if the size of the res mattered in overall cooling. If it doesn't matter, maybe having a 250 would help in setup, maintenance and aesthetics. I think I'll have plenty of room in my new full tower.

[@jodiethemathgenius9204]

a bigger res means more thermal mass so the water heats up slower it doesn't cool better for sustained loads, but it does help for short bursts

[@USER69473]

Jay, You didn't mentioned one thing - top-reservoir for D5 can be mounted with two ways: screws (EK); o-ring (many other brands).

[@douglasmstewart]

Just one thing. The build behind you in the video has all 90 degree bends. Add to that all of the 90 and 180 degree turns you mention (correctly) entering and exiting blocks and radiators and you wind up with a very restrictive loop. This can be alleviated by using 45 degree bends at the correct points. When done correctly a single (1) Swiftech MCP50X can easily push through: 2x 480 rads, 2 GPU blocks, 1 CPU block, 2 RAM blocks. When you have 90 degree bends right before a high vertical climb it creates a problem that doesnt need to exist. Maybe I'll grab some of the old pics and put a link in here for you and others to see. Not only that, I think 45 degree bends look better vs 90 degree bends.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Is using an industrial mining pump for watercooling my PC a good idea ?

[@reymondrye6342]

lmao

[@jackwhite3820]

+scarfacemperor That depends on what pump you intend to use. If it has similar flow rate and head pressure as general pumps sold for PC water-cooling and if you can work with the type of fitting the pump comes with and you know how to connect it electrically, then sure. Industrial pumps however will most likely be louder, but probably also cheaper, you pay a ridiculous price premium on parts advertised for PC water-cooling, almost as bad as the price premium on Apple products.

[@adamgolden1802]

+scarfacemperor That sounds like a great idea!

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Jack White a pump powerful enough to be used for industrial applications, able to drain large volumes of liquid.

[@Duke_of_Lorraine]

Alright, it seems I have to improve my "overkill" jokes.

[@zopl82]

I can comfirm that 13feet for the d5. I got my pump, the heatsink (mora2) and a filter in my basement, and the pc (an old ek waterblock and a 2080 auros) in the living room. There is like 10m of tubing, and around 3m in height difference. If the system is full, the water circulates without a problem. But I can't fill it from the bottom, because the pump can't overcome the resistance, and the circulation won't start.

[@arkangelsklucifer]

Watercooling my PC since 2000. The one thing left to do is submerge PC. Shortlived Hardcore Reactor came up with good functional submerged pc.

[@Dan-pr6me]

Jay, you always answer all of my questions before I could even ask. You are truly the place to go for water cooling.

[@nanocorp4981]

Jay, would it be possible for you to make a video where you can review other pumps for budget conscious PC users who are liquid cooling their PCs? Like you said, the D5 and DDC pumps are very expensive. But maybe, you can look through all the other pumps out there and make recommendations based on affordability while sacrificing little to no reliability.

[@kman5738]

Jay you should definitely break down all of the categories of water cooling and do in depth detailed videos on each. I would enjoy watching such videos :)

[@GooseGosselin]

Thanks Jay. You're really helping me transition from air to water cooling.

[@anderslundstrom4388]

If you have shorter period/burst of heat then it should help be able to have less peak temperature but at the same time take longer time to reach low temps, so perhaps helps for developer compiling code one minute and then resting a few. sounds like he is assuming the load is constant (probably often is).

[@JustFoolishness]

Jay will you ever do a video on choosing cooling fluids?

[@lezickzack2569]

+1

[@magnusbuildscomputers2057]

+jesus flores I can help there. Generally about 2-1.5 liters to fill a loop. believe me, i have a four liter bottle of distilled water and its only half empty after doing a few drains and refills .

[@LoveNoThotss]

normally 700-800ml to fill a loop with 1 gpu, 1cpu, 360-480mm of rad space. If you're cooling cpu and multiple gpus, or have over 480mm of rad space and 2 blocks then you'd need at least 1L to be safe.

[@IanForEverYT]

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[@walbattat]

the larger body of mass heats less quickly assuming the same input energy and specific heat, i think he meant to say in a computing context but as an open statement its odd. imagine how much heat it takes to increase the ocean 1 degree vs a cup of water, actually, that measurement is where calories come from 1 gram 1 celsius degree. while heating a 100 gram water heat sink 1 degree would take 100 calories, the same energy would raise 10 grams ten degrees. this holds true even after soaking because to get from 60c to 70c would require more heat the larger the soaking mass. the dissipation of heat from the larger body would also be slower by virtue of having collected more energy though, so it might balance out.... but the rgb.

[@jeffm2787]

I know this is an old video, going to comment anyway. I actually have two AIO's in series which increases the pressure. I get perfectly fine flow through a 360 copper top tad. One AIO doesn't work at all well, putting them in series works great. If one fails I still have enough flow to keep things safe. Another point is head pressure shouldn't matter as much once your loop is free of air, gravity assists in a siphon on the return. With too much air or while filling of course this is not true.

[@SimonWorlds]

Bigger reservoirs will help cooling, the larger surface area of the reservoir itself will radiate more heat away from the fluid, in fact every part in the system will help with this, more piping with longer runs will also help. I know it isn't huge, but there are measurable gains even if on the small side.

[@czdaniel1]

I'm kinda wondering why no-one sells copper pipes, maybe with little heat rad-fins usable for a hard-loop system...I guess the complaint would be that you are radiating inside the case and thus blowing hotter air against the exhaust Rads at the top and back of your PC. So the cooling achieved inside the case in the long run will be paid for by less efficient cooling operations in your loop elsewhere.

[@czdaniel1]

@@lithiosking5687 Take everything u said, then: apply that to the real world where a computer gaming enthusiast market exists which regularly spend nearly $500 building open-loop liquid cooling systems when they could have gotten a CPU fan that would be 'Good Enough' for $30

[@bitrage.]

What do you mean? More water will not heat up as fast and EVEN if its setting in resivours it is still cooling quicker because it has more liquid to defuse the heat too. In cars when modifying the more coolant you can add the better it cools

[@luffararnesugerkuk]

Thanks for video, some solid info. But it's weird that so many still do not seem to know about DDC's and temperature, the relations between how hot the PCB can get and and the pressure itself, actually the more free flowing the loop the hotter a DDC will get and even worse depending on what PCB it's using. I started playing with that, different PCB's on different hardware versions (winding, rotor etc) and temp sensors on them after seeing Martin bring that issue up. Some people use a DDC at full bananas with tiny amount of restriction, then wonder why the pump PCB burnt up? They call it shit and move over to D5 which they later call the best ever made of course, hmm? D5 is the best for many scenario's too imho, but that is failing to see the point and learning the lesson. A DDC can surely be better than D5 too, depend on scenario no such thing one fit all in custom, or am I wrong? Is that not the definition of custom or close enough, my English is not the best so?

[@allankirsch1422]

Awesome video bro! At the end of the video, @13:00 is one of the many reasons I like you and your videos. You aren't here to just to make product pitches and make money, you're really here to help... I LIKE that! Keep 'em coming man, I'll be watching. xD

[@camillesreels3745]

Jay, could you discuss different fitting-types? Like 90-degree bends; 45's; T-valves; rotary valves; etc. My hard-line build is about to the point where I have to start ordering obscure fittings to make the loop work. Thank you

[@SwedishGamer322SG322]

Please do in depth videos on each topic. We can never get too much info! :)

[@Owainog93]

Jay, Could You do a Video On GPU Blocks? (Types, Materials, Etc) Would be really helpful! what would you recommend and which perform the best?

[@AustinMichael]

+owain morgan Just go with EKWB. They look the best and have some of the best performing ones out there.

[@Owainog93]

Ok thanks I shall look at EKWB.

[@AustinMichael]

+owain morgan they have a very handy configuration tool on their website that makes it very easy

[@Owainog93]

+Austin Michael Ok Cheers I'll do that then thank you :)

[@TheAfterPein]

I fully agree with you, Jay. I'd love to see a short series on components related to water cooling. You can get more in depth with each component, which helps us morons who don't know how to cool PCs with water.

[@benitollan]

10:54 "the reservoir has nothing to do with your cooling capacity whatsoever" ackchyually... in a sense it does, because (as you know) the larger the coolant mass, the longer it takes to reach thermal equilibrium, and until it's achieved, the cooled components will run cooler, even if trivially, very slightly so. I know what you mean: most people shouldn't get bigger reservoirs for performance reasons, but technically they can affect the temperatures, even if just temporarily and even if just by a very small degree.

[@ThereWasNoFreeName]

One thing about this video is wrong: Small amount of water means less thermal capacity of the circuit and thus some heat peaks will warm your liquid very well. Like when i had a leak in my circuit (i used my old Zalman Reserator XT as the base, changed everything except reservoir and radiators, so when the leak occured inside of that big black box i didn't know it, only when water level dropped to critical i became aware of it) any CPU load what lasted for 4-5 minutes was enough to heat up my liquid to 50C, but when i fixed the circuit and filled it again those peaks won't let it further than 35-40C as usual. Running OCed 3930K here, it produces ~250W of heat or so. So yeah, if you have very good radiator and don't have any heat peaks occuring then you don't need that extra amount of liquid in the circuit, otherwise get at least 1l (1/4 gallon) of liquid in your circuit to ensure some thermal capacity.

[@TheBatotot]

could you do a short video addressing the issue with using parts with different materials like copper, aluminum, nickel and other metals as well as the plastics? and does coolants with anti-corrosive properties solve this issue? thanks jay :D

[@Kappi1997]

I use an Aquastream xt(eheim 1046) and i have no problem. I've put it on a sandwich of isolation and it is very silent

[@rambi1072]

I'd have to disagree with the irrelevance of reservoir capacity part. I actually have no radiators, just one big reservoir in my system and the reservoir dissipates all of the heat due to its giant thermal resistance It isn't 1 gallon, 5 or even. 20 it's actually 32 litres :p I measure the temperature of the water in there and it gets to about 30c and won't hear anymore. The benefit of this is it's cheap, affective, and the water masks the sound of the submerged pumps in there

[@dennisbengel11]

+Rambi “Rambi9000” Ninethousand what kind of processor do you have and how is your loop laid out?

[@rambi1072]

dennisbengel11 a 6300, so not the hottest processor but does produce some heat especially OC'd to 4.8GHz. The loop is very simple, the two pumps suck up water, then connect at T connector, then the water travels a meter or so into the computer then to the CPU block and cools it, out of the block and a meter back to the reservoir.

[@taiiat0]

+Rambi “Rambi9000” Ninethousand may work if your Ambient Temperatures are low enough, but it's inefficient and too situational to be able to suggest as a viable option.

[@rambi1072]

***** I've had it running nearing a year now, seems pretty good. Also ambient temperatures are on the lower side I guess. I live in the UK.

[@taiiat0]

Rambi Ninethousand which is great, but keep in mind that Jay is talking to hundreds of thousands of people. any recommendation has to be rock solid, without any "can work but only in these circumstances" possibilities.

[@errol6788]

Excellent videos as usual, informative and entertaining. I am confident that I can do hard water cooling tubing myself, thanks to you and other. Built a very high end pc in a Thermaltake View 71 case, all white case with white computer parts such as fans , gpu and a white 1000 watt seasonic PSU. My problem I know nothing about software tweaking and over clocking, but I am watching the videos. Thanks again for your dedication and input to your channel and viewers......much more success to you Jay......that’s my two cents....lol. Will be buying a Lian Li Dynamic XL case soon, to build another system for dedicated sim racing.

[@eocxes]

Jay, Thank you for the information that you have provided regarding watercooling. I am starting to gain an interest in watercooling my rig, and these two videos have helped me understand what to expect. I would very much appreciate more videos going into the specifics of each part. On another note, do you have any recommendations for other places that can teach me more about watercooling and its fine details? r/watercooling is a nice place but it seems to cater to showing off systems more than teaching about watercooling. Thanks and keep up the good work!!

[@ash0787]

nice, I didnt really know the difference of performance characteristics between D5 and DDC, just that one is circle one is sqaure and the DDC is slightly smaller

[@giggyolly]

You should definitely do a water cooling series and spend 15 mins explaining each part. For people that haven't made a water cooling system before, it is so useful!

[@rafenwulf]

Thanks for this excellent advice, I was planning on buying a bay reservoir, and would probably be disappointed. Convinced by your argument, I'm getting a cylindrical res then!

[@Riidher]

Friction loss is what people need to have a basic understanding of, so when you're talking about resistance and head pressure it will make sense. Every different type of pipe has a different coefficient of friction loss.

[@lifeinru]

Can't wait until I have the money to watercool my system, Going for a white hardware and purple nano cooling fluid, have a feeling that it's going to be amazing.

[@matthiasschmitt2311]

@jay I wonder why you don't mention the german brands "Aquacomputer" and "Watercool"? Both are very high if not the highest quality watercooling brands on the market and sell watercoolings partts for nearly 20 (!!!) years. I think you should take a closer look and review some of their stuff.

[@LocoLynx]

I just got a Swiftech MCP 655, 2 240mm rads, 4 random fans, 1 Apogee GT cpu block, and 1 older "universal" gpu block for $50 on ebay. I know I probably can't use the blocks anymore but that's still a pretty good deal huh?

[@czdaniel1]

+LocoLynx -- How did that purchase work out now that you've had time to put it all in real world use?

[@MichaelEber]

Thank you JayzTwoCents! I've learned so much about water cooling from you.

[@BernhardWeber-l5b]

The good old Skunkworks times. Look at that beauty in the background.

[@GonzoDonzo]

just get an iwaki and your set :P on another note not every fitting is a 90 degree fitting. in many cases the 45 degree fittings are better for ease of use anyhow. trying to figure out how youve come to the conclusion that the D5 transfers its heat into the coolant. the motor itself is completely isolated from any fluid. only thing thats in the fluid is the drive shaft, bearing and impeller.

[@LokitheSiberian]

Why not run all three GPU’s in parallel in that loop? Running them in series would for sure be a ton of dynamic head. If they are all using the same water block, running them in parallel would automatically mean the flow is balanced. Something to consider.

[@chenksR]

Jay, can you do an old school watercooling video without premanufactured parts? Just so we can see what watercooling was back in the day?

[@Baldricksodoff]

Lel, I am using the 120 L/H pump that came with my triton AIO to pump water through my 2x 240mm rads, CPU and GPU. It actually has very good temps!

[@keannodawson]

@JayzTwoCents you should make a video on watercooling in a mid tower case. like the 350D. I am planning on water cooling my PC but i am a bit worried on where im planning on putting my reservoir. I have corsairs 350D. I was planning on putting it on top of the hard drive cage.

[@paulsilva3346]

Delrin, or Acetal is a self lubing material. ( ahh sea Tall.) For pump applications its pe4fect.

[@aionard3491]

Hi Jay, would you be able to advise on the operating temps for pumps? How hot is too hot and what temps can we afford on CPU/GPU before we start damaging the pump (assuming you have no in line thermometer somewhere in the tubing). Thanks!

[@TostiTostelli]

dude, dont worry:) you make awesome videos, and you make people happy.

[@Nocure92]

These videos are great, your series o watercooling really helped me when I needed to change the water in my PC while ago, didn't know how because I bought it used.

[@chrisseymour8457]

So with the water cooling you mentioned all the additives but you never mentioned silver. I was hoping to get to know your opinion on silver and additives for water cooling and what a silver coil would do in a cylinder res/pump combo would it get sucked into the pump?

[@-BEASTOR-]

I got a old school Eheim pump for i think 5 years almost. It doesn't look that nice but never had anny troubles so far and it is on alot. The only downside is that it runs one 220V (EU) so you need to use a relai. But hey thats almost 5 years ago that i bought that pump xD if it ever fails il buy something smaller and nice looking. But i think that will take a while

[@Steve-of1dy]

Just want to point out that you generally put a pump low down to keep the greatest pressure on the impeller so it doesn't cavitate.

[@Jayztwocents]

+Steve This is a video about the pump itself, not about loop arrangement. That will be a different video.

[@Steve-of1dy]

+JayzTwoCents will you talk about the different kinds of bends and how they effectively and more pipe to the system or a much more basic overview?

[@feeterican]

I would like to see more vids like this. Spend some time and explain each one. I will surely watch the whole thing and give it a tumbs up!

[@CloverKismet]

yes please! make a detailed video like this one on GPU Blocks and maybe CPU Blocks.

[@breezyjr]

Good video Jay... I had wondered the difference between the D5 and DDC... I thought the D5 was the ultimate... I"m curious, what you think about the Iwaki Rd20 and rd30... It seems to me they are beyond overkill...

[@Beastleviath]

Can you do a video examining the relative merits of low end water cooling components, and perhaps even non purpose-built stuff? Id love to watercool, but its incredibly cost prohibitive.

[@combatwombat594]

If this was Linus, he'd try and water cool the DDC water cooling pump xD

[@reptiliangold15]

That’s actually not a bad idea

[@travisalbert8756]

Res size or water volume DOES matter Jay. what if your res was the Atlantic ocean? At some size the water will dissipate all the heat. what size will depend on the amount of heat you put in and the surface area of the res. 1 gallon? 10 gallon? 1000000000 gallon? there is a size that will dissipate all the heat. might be impractical but there is a size!

[@JJZune]

Love these videos, I would really like you to go in-depth into each topic. In exmaple fluids. I've heard things like Mayhems Aroura is just a show fluid and not usable for extended periods of time. Is this true / even apply any more?

[@botsmokie5388]

Loving your videos man :D I'just built my first setup (5820k EVGA X99 Classified) and you are helping a tonne with my water cooling research.

[@randomreviews569]

Sorry but if you put that reservoir in front of a case fan blowing on it pulling air from outside the case it definately will cool the fluid thats dumped into it from a radiator. I may do a video of before and after on this 10900k build im just waiting on my water cooling stuff to prove it.

[@PALADIN867]

Hi Jake, love your watercooling vids, very informative!

[@matthewpgoscrazytv]

Yes do the different parts individually!!!

[@MrTej780]

These watercooling videos are great, keep 'em coming!

[@greenspectre2281]

Okay so I looked up pumps and pump/reservoir combos and I've found that DDC pumps have the best head pressure; usually around 4.7 meters but you were saying in this video that the DDC pump becomes very hot during operation; you also mentioned that the D5 pump is your favorite, but conversely the D5 has a lower head pressure! (around 3.7m). Now my question is, are D5 pumps significantly cooler compared to DDC pumps where sacrificing 1 meter of head pressure would benefit temperatures?

[@Alph92]

jay, almost noone including you seems to mention, that the pump is capable of taking 24 volts. everyone runs it at the psu's 12 volts running it effectively at half its power.

[@Jayztwocents]

+Alexander Schmidt Well thats a valid point, but remember this video is aimed at noobies. Also, there have been LOTS of tests performed at 12v and 24v on overclock.net and everytime the answer is the same.... running it higher than 12v only makes it hotter, and does NOTHING for cooling performance.

[@Alph92]

+JayzTwoCents ah that's interesting. i haven't read those tests so thank you for the link. i stumbeled upon it one day when i looked pumps up and saw that little 24 where i would expect a 12 so is started wonder. though i dont think you need a lot of flow. i think anything around 2 liters a minute should be ok