Updating the BIOS bricked this PC... You'll never guess what the issue was...

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[@benny504k7]

Jay, I hope you end up reading this comment, I truly thank you from the cold black abyss of my heart. I received problems after updating my BIOS about 2 months ago. Testing lead me to believe my Zotac 3080ti was the culprit, which I RMA'd. When i received news back from zotac that the card tested fine and that they were sending it back as nothing was wrong. I received it today 4/23 and it would do the same hang on BIOS black screen problem that i encountered a month ago. My friend Jeff sent me this video, and after watching it, did as you suggested and updated the DisplayID via the Nvidia tool. It posted immediately after and has been working flawlessly since... Confirmed at least one person has been saved by this video! I appreciate you buddy

[@wallywest2360]

What's really annoying about that is even if everything tested ok on their end, Zotac should have looked at any available updates for the card and performed them anyway. I would bet this is sitting somewhere in their tech support resource library of known issues.

[@alexatkin]

@@wallywest2360 Especially as updating a VBIOS is something relatively new. Its not something we've ever really had to do before outside of removing power limits for overclocking and in fact did not used to be recommended.

[@Rich-qs6kn]

@@alexatkin I always assumed vbios updated along with the driver :/

[@Contopaxi]

Dumb question but if I can’t get my pc to boot when using my Gpu because of this issue. Would I plug it into the onboard and then do the same steps with the nvidia tool? Thank you

[@legacygame3]

Im surprised the company did not know how to help you.

[@rudeboyjohn3483]

I absolutely love watching people suss out a problem and figure shit out.

[@DungarooTV]

Something similar just happened on my GTX 1080TI Xtreme Edition when upgrading my Gigabyte MB to install Windows 11. It wrote something to my GPU that caused it to de-sync from my MB - I did the thing as you on another MB and bang it now works again!! I was scared to the max!

[@IonicSplash365]

Funny thing is this happened to me today. First time manually overclocking anything was yesterday and spent hours working on it, and decided to also update the bios on my Asus Prime Z490-A mobo, and afterwards it wouldn't post. Got a lil worried but decided to turn off the PC, turn off the PSU, give it a bit, turn it back on and plug directly into onboard video and it worked. It had reset all my bios settings changes and had also reverted the primary graphics to be onboard video as opposed to PCIE. Luckily spent so much time on it I remembered all the settings I had changed so took maybe 4 minutes to get everything up and running again.

[@mintnak8364]

I find these rain dances amusing, but only when it’s someone else’s pc

[@jak3y3]

So basically what this taught me is if your system is working fine, don’t update the bios unless you’re not posting or anything super crazy like that.

[@PascalxSome]

This confusion from around 11 to 13 min is exactly what it is like to be a sysadmin i feel like.

[@Meche697]

If/when I do motherboard updates, I always do hardware too. I learned that from an early Samsung SDD. Same thing as you because it ran on laptop #2. Once firmware was updated, it worked in Laptop 1. Not I look at firmware updates on SDD and graghics card before motherboards. Someone else stated, why update what's not broken. In my case, Motherboard firmware updated the firmware on the WiFi that fixed my issues...

[@ghostrider1827]

This nails it.... im NOT updating my BIOS. Screw that.

[@michaelelkin9542]

Wait, the last thing he did was turn on Secure Boot. Does secure boot somehow force the video ID to be specific? I wish that would have been tested. Still can't believe something like this is possible. Fortunately, I won;'t be buying one anytime soon given the still crazy pricing. Also if video card needs an updated ID,, which can't be done if the PC won't post, that is a very fair RMA.

[@jdeveraux1027]

wish this would have worked for me. I truly bricked a Gigabyte Z790UD AC updating its BIOS and I have NO CLUE how the freak it happened. I dont get any beeps when there is no RAM, so it's truly dead. Very frustrating

[@inachu]

If the BIOS is removable there is another youtube tech that can reflash it for you even if dead via flashing.

[@BobBobson]

"I spent 2 1/2 hours on a 25 second fix" sounds exactly like every computer repair I've ever done.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

heh, the hard part is figuring out what is actually wrong

[@ericfirkey9860]

I can relate

[@skodass1]

One of the reasons i never got into actual PC repair... i just dont have the patience

[@BrianV]

This applies just as much to computer programming as well. Can't count the number of times this kind of fix has happened to me.

[@adamlewis2661]

same as working on my car spend 3 days on a “2 hour job”

[@vinicius_nunes]

Amazing video! This is basically an impossible task for a standard user to actually figure out. Aside from the knowledge and 'know-how' to even know where to start with, just to have all the extra equipment to check the hardware to see what's working is already the worse problem. We appreciate your work on these obscure issues. Thank you!

[@eldraque4556]

most shops wouldn't have figured it out

[@curvingfyre6810]

standard user is a reach. Most standard users can't identify a bad cap or bent pin, let alone BIOS issues. Even an enthusiast isn't likely to have a WAREHOUSE full of spare parts to swap out and test with, or a mountain of firmware knowledge and resources. I've had similarly unidentifiable issues before, and its only because my board is a high end desktop server board and not a consumer board that I was able to deal with it at all. Those LED codes saved my ass, and I'm *still* working through minor errors. I'm lucky enough that I have a spare board to work with for PSU and GPU validation, and a mess of ddr4 sticks to swap between, just cause of how I built my systems. if it had turned out different, I'd be up shit creek.

[@LordSeth-hf8ew]

at least a 3-4 day job for someone trying to find a solution

[@ncproductions24]

Agreed, I've been in IT for 15 years and have built multiple systems. This would've taken me quite a while to figure out. This just firms up that Jay is on a whole nother lvl.... lol

[@Lectwar6]

@@curvingfyre6810 I have built dozens of gaming PC's for myself and friends, and have worked in IT for 10 years. I've swapped mobos and displays between laptops, ive replaced sockets on motherboards. I don't think i would have figured this out. Having access to the hardware he has made all the difference and led him to the vbios being the issue. Without that I would have been dead in the water like any other user.

[@brian_serafin]

Many of us would've spent hours reposting on Reddit, forums, and other places waiting for an answer or solution. You should share this in the NVIDIA subreddit if the mods don't act like dictators and remove it. Many people are upgrading their systems from 5 and 6 years ago and may run into this issue especially with some Z690 boards needing a BIOS update to detect the 13th gen chips. Great work J

[@RichWhiteUM]

In essence, Phil was right when he asked, "Maybe, it just doesn't like 3080 Tis?" 🤣

[@lachietg]

3090 ties

[@mAdDox1904]

@@lachietg No, 3090ti's are working so it only doesn't like 3080ti's.

[@lachietg]

@@mAdDox1904 I'm making a reference to when they pronounced it wrong (tie instead of ti)

[@cruelcrow7367]

@@lachietg to?

[@neoaliens8635]

@@cruelcrow7367 He means 'TI'. There's a typo that happens a lot because on keyboard 'i' and 'o' are close to each other

[@cherrypoptart2001]

Choosing pc parts and building it is the fun part. Updating the bios is the scary part.

[@Dr_Angry]

Agreed lol

[@SirGingerOfKnight]

I send messages to my techier group-chats asking for people to clench on my behalf when I run bios updates

[@Nicc93]

Yes or installing drivers on a board with no wifi or lan drivers. My first build I had to do this and was worried. She's a beast now :) soon to upgrade to 5950x

[@yugensei]

I literally was just talking with one of my friends about this shit last night. Long story short, I completely lucked out on my first PC build that the motherboard I picked had Dual BIOS when I ended up completely frying the main one. I guess lesson learned though lmao xD

[@DoomGuy9001-MK4]

It is only scary if you don't leave it alone. As long as you don't have a power cut and you let you motherboard do it's thing it will work. This is a very rare situation what you saw on this video.

[@uss_liberty_incident]

Thank you so much for this kind of content. You never know when someone else will encounter the same issues.

[@YippingFox]

It's a shame that neither the title or the desrciption mentions the problem, so people are not likely to find/watch this video.

[@chappy3669]

@@YippingFox Ikr...

[@ricksanchez9798]

I'm having this same issue right now, unfortunately my system is even older than this one and not an nvidia card.....

[@NightcoreClips_]

Unfortunately this does not even help in my case, since my device doesn’t even post, I’m pretty sure it’s corrupted video chip or something, but whatever it is, I’m just gonna stick with a new mobo.

[@illusive5811]

Nice username my man

[@slyace1301]

Updating bios was the most stressful thing I've did ever since building my pc. I didn't sweat that much even when I changed the paste on my cpu.

[@Jenna_Talia]

Yeah I'm about to do it so I can upgrade my cpu and finding out it could fucking brick my PC is terrifying. Not at all likely to happen of course, but still terrifying.

[@casem8723]

@@Jenna_Talia same here. currently upgrading from a ryzen 5 1600 to a ryzen 5 5600x and it requires me to do like 3-4 bios updates on my asus x470 motherboard, and i've never done a bios update before and all the factors that could lead to just one bios update going wrong absolutely terrifies me. And apparently I have to do it 3-4 times lol

[@yasinkolgu]

@@casem8723 Hi! Why is it that you need that much update? I have 1500x, to use 5600 Can't I just update to the latest bios and be done?

[@123evilwolf]

@@yasinkolgu it works when u just jump to the latest one, i guess it depends on the manufacturer of the board

[@yasinkolgu]

@@123evilwolf Thank you! Some updates need ones before them sometimes.

[@northwestaudio]

This is brilliant, I wouldn't have ever imagined that a unique id would change in a piece of hardware, or that it would be removed from a module to continue operating.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

both the board and the card have a firmware that needs to talk to each other. Bugs in either side will cause issues. It's not just hardware. If it was just hardware you would not be able to fix bugs so easily but you would have to hardware mod and rewire stuff.

[@FiveN9ne]

@@marcogenovesi8570 I once bought a mobo and ram that supposedly worked with each other (rarely would they not), both manufacturers (MSI for mobo, Corsair for ram) claimed they worked together after contacting their support. Tested separately, both the mobo worked with different ram sticks and the ram worked on different mobo's. The result was, they basically told me "tough shit". I had to sell the ram and take the loss buying new one...

[@dbunik44]

@@marcogenovesi8570 look at AMD users who had to wait until two patches for their hardware to work with Windows 11

[@lvkillawolfvl1921]

@@dbunik44 I got windows 11 almost the day it came out, I had zero issues with my ryzen 7 5700g lmao and that also had just came out like 2 months before windows 11 released

[@dbunik44]

@@lvkillawolfvl1921 your story is merely anecdotal, it was so bad that it took two patches to fix, your singular experience is not indicative of the whole

[@mrOfficial704]

These types of videos have helped me solve a many issue. I like watching the over the top builds, but these are the ones that have kept me from replacing parts so many times.

[@ScaerieTale]

"I'm jus- *stares*" lmao my eternal struggle with weird computer problems right there. It always makes me smile when an expert like Jay gets this weird crap too (like that time the screen went magenta)

[@CxDOGxLEM]

Lmao same

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

My screen sometimes pisses itself.

[@Peaceful_Gojira]

We've ALL been there. Had my PSU crap out on me (an EVGA with 1 lifetime warranty guaranteed to last at LEAST 10 years....this is year 3 at the time). I was troubleshooting EVERY component, and thinking I'd solved it each time after general gaming and usage...but then it'd hard crash again. And then, my buddy brought his PSU over and it posted and everything...so then I got the PSU to be RMAed....and voila! Back to life again! I was flabbergasted xD it was so unwarranted.

[@thislooksfun1]

Which video was the magenta screen?

[@SomeAngryGuy1997]

@@Peaceful_Gojira Eh, it happens. Even the best quality stuff can break prematurely sometimes.

[@chrisguli2865]

My last takeaway from this is also - when updating the BIOS - don't power down or reset anything even if the system seems hung...let it finish doing its thing even if it takes a half hour. Better safe than bricking the PC.

[@araulen4820]

I was building my PC and when I went to bios flashback, the indicator was flashing for over an hour. I was a bit worried, but it stopped flashing shortly after. Throughout the build process i was worried if the bios updated correctly, and when I booted up the PC I found that it did! I'm glad I didn't stop the process after like 15 mins!

[@ColinWatters]

I've left one overnight before. It shouldn't take that long but also gives me a mental reset!

[@balwek2]

I updated my bios for get ready for win11. It rebooted so many times, I was worried. I walked away from it. Finally it come back normal. I was happy I did not interapted the process.

[@romainweisbecker7660]

Or just have a soldering station and a chip programmer at hand ;)

[@abdelhakmezenner2855]

sadly i did corrupt the bios update and now i cant open bios menu again , is there any solutions ?

[@Wayofthelao]

These….these are the best types of videos

[@Toby_the_Glen]

Yeah, where a PC video isn't obsessed with gaming?

[@Wayofthelao]

@@Toby_the_Glen yes !!! Look I’m not trying to troll anyone about anything. I just try to put out good vibes. Life is hard enough without arguing with others

[@bshonka1]

Jay's impression of a mouse.... Spot on 😂

[@deminybs]

4:03

[@bshonka1]

@@deminybs the real hero ⬆️

[@WexfordOnYoutube]

I have this same issue with my razer deathadder V2. Except it completely stops Windows booting. I don't believe there is a fix.

[@deminybs]

@@WexfordOnKZbin you try kicking it yet? or shouting obscenities ?? that usually works

[@happy8318]

Thank you JayzTwoCents for posting videos like this!! I think this is literally going to solve my problem... I have a 3080TI that wouldn't work on one computer but it works just fine in my other pc!

[@sagetx]

He's the One.

[@CrackaSlapYa]

WELL??

[@rcrotorfreak]

Not always going to be the same problem. Tell us if you fixed it and what methood.

[@yourboy4oh]

I have to say ASUS Software is a nightmare and you should avoid ASUS hardware. My ASUS 1080ti and ASUS Rampage x99 both had several issues directly related to ASUS software/updates. I have avoided them since. I’m 0/2 with buying ASUS products.

[@artthebrawler1390]

Thank you for making this video, I had literally no idea that BIOS updates could bork GPU's like that! Updated my 3060's displayID firmware in preparation of the AMD fTPM bios update in may thanks to this!

[@Dennzer1]

🧠

[@magnanimus9692]

🫁

[@ripleyhrgiger4669]

I've been building my own custom PC's for 25 years and have been in the IT field as a technician, analyst, and system admin for 23 years and never have I EVER seen something like this happen! This is a rare gremlin to discover and no doubt has helped to educate all of us of this potentiality of occurring during system building/updating. Phil, your problem became a boon for so many of us because we learned a lot from it. I'm very glad you didn't have to replace your video card! Good work Jay!!!

[@Christopher_S]

I was thinking the same thing too. I do not have as many years as you (only 12), but I've never encountered anything like this before. I'm happy that it's been found though, as going forward, this info could prove a valuable time (and sanity) saver.

[@sMASHsound]

Never seen it, but in the back of ur mind, it IS possible.

[@slactweak]

Same here. That was a seriously weird problem that would have had me pulling my hair out. I'm stubborn enough to have eventually solved the problem but it would have taken me a LOT longer than it took him.

[@Solarnova]

Same here, since the mid 90's myself. An issue like this would literally drive me up the wall crazy, and it seems like with all these systems built upon systems built upon systems that we have today, the craziest and most ridiculous computer issues I've ever seen, have been within the last 5 years, absolutely. Like Jay said regarding the Asus BIOS updates, the computer rebooting 3 times and then acting in between ME & Aura updates, as if it is bricked, and then finally it posts, can you imagine how many warranty claims Asus has had to deal with because people interrupted the BIOS update after their computer restarted because it acted as if it wasn't doing anything? Why can't there literally be a message on the screen saying "Updating ME do not restart" or "Updating Aura do not restart" immediately upon Asus BIOS update restart?... sheesh.

[@skyknight0408]

That's working in IT for you. I've been building my own PCs as well as helping with friends and family's machines since the 90's. Also had internships at several PC building shops and one of my bosses told me, no matter how long you've been working with computers, you'll still discover weird errors you've never encountered before. He was absolutely right! It can happen on any day, so be prepared for it.

[@CNC295]

You should do a video on how to update the Firmware for video cards.

[@dylanherron3963]

Also pretty good idea.

[@briandiaz1363]

He already did one a couple of months back, trying to bring some old cards to life

[@jonirenicus9407]

It's also not a great idea to update a GPU bios unless you're doing it for a specific reason and you know what you're doing. Very easy to brick a card with no possible way to recover it unless you habe dual(or more) bios.

[@Sunnfjordingen]

As a car mechanic, I cant even imagine how many times that problem happens to me. Car makes noises or has a fault for months. When they're at the dealer for troubleshooting, it's all fine. It's happened so many times I've started to think the cars becomes self aware and is just messing with us...

[@DP-ot6zf]

Nvidia's video cards always cause problems with cars. Worse, Nvidia refuses to fix this problem!

[@nobody7817]

In the 90's I had a friend with a 78' Grenada. He asked me to look at it several times. NOTHING wrong. He even loaned it to me to drive for 3 months, NOTHING wrong. So... I asked him to sell it to me. He did not want to. I finally talked him into taking a fair price for it, even though he tried to sell it to me for less. I wanted to be fair with him. I backed out of his driveway and poof, it died. ok... I drove a block later, it died. I couldn't keep that thing running. (California Variable Venturii -- NEVER heard of them before since I was fairly new to Ca at the time... I was used to REAL carbs... not that smog control dollar trap.) (It's illegal to put a real carb on in their place, too... go figure.)

[@mal2ksc]

Put a dashcam with microphone in the car, and it'll never misbehave again!

[@NorseGraphic]

Wait until they become self-driving....

[@nobody7817]

@@NorseGraphic Scarier yet, they become self-repairing...

[@moonlacer386]

Never experienced anything like this on any of my systems after a BIOS update, that is a really unique issue

[@theholt2ic219]

Yeah updating bios isn’t scary and I update bios regularly on my pc and on multiple other systems on many occasions. I personally have found that a bios update fixes most blue screens people get. I would recommend updating bios at least once a year but this is the first time I’ve seen this type of issue. The vbios was out of date.

[@Dream0Asylum]

@@theholt2ic219 There was a time, not that long ago, when things like a back-up bios chip on the mobo - or easy to use, never fail bios flashes weren't all that common. In fact, just 10 years ago ASROCK's bios flashes were so spotty and famous for failure that they recommended not flashing unless you had a specific issue listed as fixed in the new bios' white sheet - because otherwise it just wasn't worth the risk. Today, it's not so bad, and almost nobody's going to have an issue ... except maybe Jay, who always seems to find these unicorn scenarios.

[@treborrrrr]

@@Dream0Asylum I'm for sure of the old school type here. I never touch BIOS updates except for during the initial build of the system. Once things are up and running and I don't have any issues, I don't touch the BIOS.

[@mfThump]

@@theholt2ic219 windows held itself hostage because I updated my bios. took a lot of bluescreens, usb booting, and running the same few commands over and over for it to work itself out. ("header checksum doesn't match the computed checksum" File: \Windows\system32\winload. efi . error code: 0xc0000221)

[@Republic3D]

Since he spent only 8 seconds of a 17 minute video on the solution itself, I'll write it here: Put 3080 ti in different machine. Go to Nvidia and download the Display ID updater. Update card. Put 3080 ti back in your own machine.

[@mitlanderson]

Don't even need a different machine if your cpu has an igpu

[@ericturnipseed8664]

Thanks for that... I couldn't follow his fix, but I certainly follow your steps. Jay should change the title of the video to Nvidia 3080ti No Longer Works after BIOS Update... or something like that.

[@BoltRM]

Sentence with the fix: @15:36 thru 15:44

[@BoltRM]

@@mitlanderson One of the reasons I like to have an integrated gpu. Worth a few extra bucks in case of video card issue.

[@ericturnipseed8664]

@@BoltRM Yes... thank you

[@Man_0f_Culture]

Jay steadily taking on the BS we run across with our PC's and fixing it after hours of trial and error in just a few seconds is a true gift especially since he tells you how he fixed it in the end. Dude just did everyone a solid.

[@SaraMorgan-ym6ue]

yeah he cuts all the time out and gets to the point in a few minutes he is a hero

[@vanveenmatt]

I've been on the fence about whether or not I should upgrade the BIOS in my computer. I think I'm just going to leave it as it is. It's working just fine. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@r3conwoo]

very wise

[@christopherkidwell9817]

@ANGRYWOLVES The problem is that there is usually a purpose to updating BIOS: To fix random crashing issues on a system is the usual reason and to fix security bugs as well.

[@arisalvarado979]

U can always update just do it by q flash its best way

[@PileOfEmptyTapes]

If you do upgrade, have fun re-entering all the settings you've changed including fan curves. If your BIOS has an option to export settings to a USB flash drive, you can try that beforehand, obviously, but I wouldn't bet my life on it.

[@SuperSilvi1990]

You can read what the bios updates are for and if you don't have that issue don't bother. But there are times where they fix important things like memory issues, security updates, new features added etc etc.

[@JeremyArchie]

Well I'm adding this one to my 'toolbox' of PC fixes for sure. This is the type of problem that is basically 'unfixable' unless you have extra test hardware.

[@rocket2739]

and extra knowledge

[@TheDealer6373]

Crazy to think normal people have a spare 3080 ti laying around as a spare. I would think 99% of us would be buying new components.

[@Redmanticore]

@@TheDealer6373 and never updating bios ever again

[@jayc5942]

I love seeing these types of troubleshooting vids where even Jay learns something.

[@magnanimus9692]

Phil: "I didn't learn shit! I was right all along!"

[@Bazwalt]

When Jay learns something, we all learn something.

[@RegularRetro]

Really enjoy this type of content! Very informative for people who enjoy troubleshooting and also helpful to those affected by the issue. I’m sure we’ve all had that moment where the 3rd page of a 5 year old Yahoo answers thread held the solution to our extremely specific problem so I’m sure this video will be helpful for many years to those people.

[@alexapuerta]

For sure. Been down that forum road many times. I don't have the specific problem in the vid but I enjoy Jay's troubleshooting. I learn more about PCs in general and can apply his troubleshooting logic to other situations.

[@tibielias]

You know videos like these would be more informatve if we knew what hardware is being worked on. Other than the information that it's an Asus motherboard with an intel 11900K and its a friends computer, we know nothing else about this computer.

[@elnkr2603]

If the title explained the problem, then yeah, it'd help

[@j.m.8895]

16:30 Even though I haven't encountered this type of problem, it's really nice to know that there are some complicated pc problems which I now know how to troubleshoot.

[@SlyStarling]

@vliduu zeeb Why would you reply to someone who A isn't jay and B isn't in the main comment section?

[@rickwiggins283]

Agreed. After building countless high-end PCs I can't imagine doing it without having one or more extra working PCs in the house and a giant bin of spare parts.

[@Vittrich]

I had problems with the 3080ti of my friend, who just shut off the pc when a 2nd monitor was connected and it took me hours to trial and error through the components and a 6700xt worked in his new pc and his 3080ti worked in my pc paralell to my 6900xt and we even rma'd mb and cpu without solving the problem and after spending hours of troubleshooting and testing hardware, i thought to myself: what is the difference between my pc and his and so i saw his win10 wasnt up to date, made the updaste to windows and since then it works like a charm.

[@bknesheim]

Have found that testing every part with now good part before assembling everything save time in the end.

[@inquity6]

My buddies love me because of this lol I'm always shooting them old parts I have no use for.

[@auntiepha8343]

Exactly. If you don't have a testing/research PC running and enough spare PC parts to build at least one complete rig on the fly. You are doing it wrong.

[@idontcare9041]

Yeah... fortunately my dad is a software engineer with a lot of experience and parts... I'd say I'm a above average user but whenever I build a new PC I take everything to his place and do it there. I had so many weird problems by now and sometimes you fix it without fully knowing why exactly and are left with a couple options but whatever, if it works it works

[@TonysTechAndCars]

Amazing video Jay! I had some weird issues from time to time with my 980Ti ever since my new mother board and would sometimes get a black screen or some sort of static screen. Turns out my card also needed a display port firmware update to resolve this! I wish nVidea were more clear with this sort of thing or included such checks on the driver updates as I never knew this was a "thing". You are a legend Jay!

[@Kridian01]

I have a 980Ti so I'm filing this in the memory banks. Thanks!

[@yotoprules9361]

I had the same problem on my 1080. the firmware update also solved the problem :)

[@hArDsTyLe2259]

My new b550 MB sometimes hangs on the VGA light when booting and i have to reset, could this be the same for my 5700XT?

[@dalsecco8482]

@@hArDsTyLe2259 Damn, my brother is having the same issue on his MSI B550 Tomahawk + 5600X + GTX1650 (running on DisplayPort), so annoying. Also it simply won’t turn on once every one or two weeks lol.

[@placeh0dlerr]

Ye, it seems manufacturers are not always transparant about these issues. Keeping it as small as possible i suppose.

[@martinkatz7639]

THANKS, as a repair tech. little bits of information like this are invaluable. Also thanks for your channel . No one can know everything but having learning opportunities like these makes life easier.

[@MoonShineMosis]

I'm so glad you guys did this video. I just switched to a 3080ti yesterday on my rog z390i motherboard and have been having display issues. In game all 3 of my screens will go black and lock up my PC completely no blue screen appears it just restarts then it's good for a while. Sometimes half of one of my screens will go ant race (black and white or salt and pepper screen like an old tube TV) my old GPU works just fine no issues. I am going to try this update tonight and see if it works

[@earthtaurus5515]

Keep us posted!

[@TheEman301]

Please update us!

[@mitlanderson]

Let us know if the fix works

[@splinterskulll]

following

[@blindguardian8599]

I'm waiting to see the result too.

[@FastenM]

Ok But.... Can you also share the weblink to the nvidia display ID updater?

[@yotoprules9361]

It's the first result in google...

[@charlesharrington4279]

Great troubleshooting video, Jay. Would you suggest that folks run the Nvidia displayid updater before doing a bios update? Obviously there are people who don't have another pc to stick the card in to do that.

[@S.Madman]

That or you could stick an older GPU on the PCI-E primary slot, and the 3080ti on the secondary slot to update it.

[@zachpaton7234]

Most also don't just have 2 cards laying around, and with the last few years blooming so many new gaming PC users, that raises the likeliness of most only owning 1 card. You would think maybe yes... Unless then changing the Id from the gpu update makes the current bios not recognize the card anymore and then you don't have an igpu. That's a fuck right there lmao. I would say If it's not broken don't attempt to fix it 😂 read patch notes and decide if it's even worth it or relevant to you to update!

[@Zuriki09]

@@zachpaton7234 sometimes it's worth having a shitty old card for purposes like these. You can buy a cheap second hand 1030 card for like $50.

[@schreursalain2968]

...and that is why i don't part with my old system and use it as a nas with onboard graphics for now. I can use it to troubleshoot hardware if needed and can download/update anything i want from there. I even kept one of my old monitors, just in case.

[@MarshalBeard]

@@zachpaton7234 Buy a gt410 used for $20..... it doesn't need to be another rtx 3080 ti silly lol.

[@georgehartigan31]

So Jay confirms what i 've been saying for 25 years now that i am building PCs myself : never update any BIOS in anything unless you absolutely have to! (and certainly never for fun, or if you are bored or if you are crazy about having the latest version in everything or whatever) 😅 GOLDEN RULE : if it works fine....do not touch it!

[@TheRealBradEvans]

I could not have said this any better myself!

[@jasonking1284]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.....

[@georgehartigan31]

@Coz Fi well, this makes sense because in Dells computers the hardware is predefined, it's not a random combination of motherboard+CPU+GPU as in the DIY PCs. So the chance of getting an exotic problem such as the one Jay describes here is extremely small because the hardware combinations are checked by dell before they release any bios (or at least I 'd like to think so lol)

[@Makasuro]

Nah, fuck that. I update my bios all the time, never had any issues, though I do buy motherboards with 2 bios these days just in case.

[@georgehartigan31]

@@Makasuro ok, with a motherboard with 2 BIOSes there is a safety net so I suppose one can afford to be more reckless...the point though , and the real question is this : why do you update your bios constantly ? i there a logical reason behind it? Or you just can't resist updating whatever is updateable? (like many PC users are?) Have you seen any performance increase ever from updating your BIOS? Me , i've been building PCs since 1996 and not once did I ever notice a performance increase....improvement in compatibility or an added feature yes. But never an improvement in e.g. gaming... ... we didn't have problems with Spectre or Meltdown back in the day either...not that i know of anyone actually having been infected by it, but...just sayin'

[@beo456]

The moral of the story is, DON'T upgrade to windows 11!

[@BillLambert]

I didn't even know DisplayID was a thing - my stuff is all HDMI 2.0/2.1 at the moment. Y'know, I usually watch Jay for the entertainment value, but I actually learned something this time. Kudos!

[@Paultimate7]

Tip: Never update ANYTHING unless youre solving an actual problem.

[@Ixxlostinabox]

Compared to my friends I have always been plagued with weird PC hardware compatibility, so from all my experiences trying to figure out what is going on these kinds of problems have started to intrigue me more than annoy me. This was an awesome video, loved the process of figuring it out.

[@belther7]

I know that feeling! hahah it just happens to me to almost everything that I buy, it could be just a sensor not working, to usb that ignores mass storage devices, to videocard that I can't change settings in software/driver to even motherboards that the bios reset randomly (even in first uses). But when my friends buy, even the same hardware, doesn't happen to them, even though I'm the one that build their PCs, It's bizarre

[@1337Ox]

@@belther7 hahaha I know right! Last night I was playing some CSGO when my game froze, which I found very weird, so I tried to alt tab and it worked just fine, and I had task manager opened, and I noticed my NVMe with CSGO was on 100% usage and then the game crashed with message that it cannot read some files. Then the game wouldn't start at all so I decided to restart the computer, and it just wouldn't boot, stuck on motherboard logo! I had to take out my SSD with games, boot without it, shut down and plug it back, then everything just started working as usual.

[@nandhu8034]

Great video. I can totally relate to this scenario, I'd probably end up with RMA. I just wish you shared some more detail on the actual fix you did.. like the steps for the updating DisplayIds would have felt complete. I have been using custom built PC and built few for my friends but I never knew about this until now. Thanks for giving this brilliant video, always something new to learn 👍

[@pedwardsva]

It would have been interesting to switch to the Legacy (non UFEI) mode to see if it all works. I bet it would. Because then, the GPU wouldn't have to pass through an extra DisplayID layer on the way to the monitor. Sometimes I feel that UFEI is over-engineered. It's like all the sensors that are designed to keep your car engine runnning properly. But, the only time your engine doesn't run properly...is when one of the sensors start to fail...it's almost never the component the sensor is connected to.

[@HlspwnsWorld]

I have to agree. Also don’t forget that if it was built in legacy with MBR. UEFI and secure boot would also stop it booting.

[@TheTekknician]

A solution that has worked for me sometimes is updating the GOP on a vBIOS. Especially some older UEFI-boot capable GPU's do not support UEFI on more modern boards with, for example, a x570 chipset until you update the GOP. A good example would be the Sapphire Tri-X Fury R9.

[@HlspwnsWorld]

@@TheTekknician Yep had to update an R9 Fury X on an x370 mobo.

[@N0N0111]

German cars 😅

[@ls_812]

@@N0N0111 I was thinking the same thing 😂

[@diSTUD013]

Man, that was a good video! I love problem solving and love working in IT. Good job Jay, keep killing it!!!!

[@spicywaffles4820]

Thanks for the video! I was having similar issues with my GTX 1060 and this made me research a firmware update my card needed for displayport 1.3/1.4 support. Not the same problem but very similar fix.

[@NoVum_old]

Yeah, I had the same problem, but colud not dispaly from motherbord, and almost had panic attack that I brick PC. Luckly after few days of troubleshooting I finally come up with idea to check HDMI. From there it was olny few google search to find whats up.

[@JustMyOpinion-]

I once thought to update my bios, so I headed over to the website for my motherboard and in small print under the download button and I quote "do not update bios if your firmware is stable" I left it alone and never looked back since.

[@lordcommandernox9197]

I've never spent any time on an old BIOS, I get a new mobo, first thing I do is update the BIOS, otherwise, you'll lose on updates, but there are risks to doing that, I just like living on the edge

[@petrolhead0387]

Only updated a bios once, that was so I could upgrade to 5900X. Not had any problems yet (touch wood), there has since been 4 more bios revisions since I updated mine. But like you, I will not be updating it, because it is stable and I'm happy with it.

[@kampa373]

yup normally u update because there are features you want but not update to be update

[@The_Man_In_Red]

Yeah, I have an "official but unofficial beta bios" from MSI which I could technically install on my B350 Tomahawk to get 5000 series support (at the cost of disabling rear USB ports) but there's no guarantee it won't brick my board or cause my system to become unbootable. So you have to decide if you're willing to take a big risk to save $150 on a new board. Same would go for memory compatibility or if you really want to reach higher clockspeeds which sometimes isn't possible with the bios the board is shipped with.

[@thegoodolddays9193]

Stuff like this is becoming less of issue now that even some mid range boards have stuff like bios flashback. Hopefully this trend will continue and it'll become a standard feature.

[@GoDzkRoNiKz]

This is why I don’t update bios. If whichever bios I’m at is working fine then I see no point in updating it. When an update that has a big change like new cpu comparability or something comes out I don’t update it until some time has passed.

[@LacasseEric]

8:39 I'm such a space nerd that when I heard Jay say "Twelve-oh-two" I immediately thought of the Apollo 11 LM Computer error codes.

[@Stubbies2003]

Yup. Talk about testing priority based computing in the tensest of situations.

[@Ratherbflyin]

Thanks for this. I am currently considering upgrading my 1080 Ti to a 3080 Ti. Now I have something to watch out for if I decide to go through with it since I am also using an ASUS motherboard with an updated BIOS.

[@SnowTheBard]

@JayzTwoCents I've not even heard of the tool that you downloaded from NVIDIA - can you provide more information on this tool? Which means I'd definitely have not caught this issue. Nice work!

[@BigHappysPlace]

Great video and I am glad this is starting to be talked about. I have started telling people, just because it's new, doesn't mean it works. This is especially true when it comes to computer hardware. Parts can sit on shelves for months, some times years before ever being used or sold.

[@justinhowlett]

Thank you for making this video! I was having an issue with my new samsung monitor that prevented my computer from booting unless I had another monitor turned on. Updating the firmware on my 3080ti fixed this issue.

[@glennquagmire3258]

Everything went to hell when UEFI got introduced. It was supposed to be more secure and what it created were more security problems and compatibility issues. Like others, you demonstrated what our job entails. Hours of troubleshooting and eliminating that it is not until you hit upon what IS causing the issue. Then comes the quandary. Say you bill $100 per hour normally. That's $250-$300. The customer won't be happy and definitely won't be back in most cases. So we eat some time, and charge them what its worth to do the same job again and the customer will use our services again. Hopefully, we can amortize our new found knowledge on someone else's machine and bill a saw buck for what took15 minutes.

[@dokgo7822]

This is why I Legacy boot in 2022…

[@celdur4635]

That first time you find a new way to fix an issue, its like getting paid for education, since the next X times you'll make all the money back.

[@UNNAM3D82]

@@dokgo7822 You do realize that legacy/CSM boot means nothing other than the UEFI firmware trying to emulate BIOS for compatibility's sake with older hardware, and is usually much more prone to issues than just native UEFI only boot.

[@dokgo7822]

@@UNNAM3D82 That's fine but I have NEVER had a single issue with legacy boot, but have had MANY issues with UEFI over the years, especially with Linux.

[@Drrolfski]

I can't get my expensive brand new Alderlake system to post reliably for whatever reason. It's videos like these that make me feel at least a little less miserable

[@JayMusic]

Is this issue only on nvidia cards or could this also occur on AMD's and do they also have a DisplayID updater?

[@mrstanlez]

With some new cards yes. Or roll back your last working firmware, my case with RX7900XTX

[@wilswils4837]

Love these kinds of videos Jay. They are good because i just want to learn more about computers, explaining of error codes, testing methods and other useful information like the Nvida UEFI bios etc. This is easy to look up information, but having it explained from a trusted person makes it way easier to learn. Thanks Team Cents.

[@grnicholsgn]

This is my favorite Jay video to date. Jay thank you so much for continuing to do these. You're providing an invaluable service which I'm sure you already know.

[@techluvin7691]

Thanks Jay. This is a very good video. I also uploaded a video on a MSI X570 Gaming Edge WiFi bug that I happened across when overclocking a 5900X on this board. When adjusting the cpu voltage on the “AI Tweaker” page it automatically transfers that voltage to another area of the bios. Ok, no problem. Reboot…enter Windows…..test….no boost. Well, that is weird. Go back into bios….do nothing with voltage on main page….change transferred voltage back to default of “0”…..save bios…..back to Windows…..test…..boosts fine. Replicated no less then 5 times with the same results. Contacted MSI and informed them of the bug weeks ago………no response…….nice. The video can be viewed on the “Tech Luv’in” channel should you have an interest. It must be noted, that like this video, I would have never found this had I not just tried to change the transferred voltage back to “0” within a separate page in the bios. It was pure luck that I tried this and it was successful. Some problems are just simple….yet difficult to find.

[@lecuyermarcandre]

I don't know when you search for a topic on KZbin or Google of it uses the video description, but if it does, you should update the description of this video so that people with this problem find this video when looking for solutions on the internet.

[@wayland7150]

It's worth remembering that in a UEFI system the graphics card is included. Some old cards won't work in UEFI mode which is a clue to what is going on here. In a UEFI system the Windows (or motherboard) boot logo appears at the very beginning of POST which it cannot do on a BIOS boot.

[@akimezra7178]

Define old? 750ti old? I think im having this problem now with a 750ti and z270f mobo

[@craigmurray4746]

@@akimezra7178 Basically Nvidia 600 series cards is where UEFI support is on a per card basis, with the 700 series up UEFI is fully supported on every card. Some 600 series cards got firmware updates to make them fully UEFI compatible but it was mostly the top end models. Some puny entry level cards like the 610 needed a new hardware revision to support UEFI as the 1st gen cards didn't have a big enough flash chip to have legacy and UEFI code at the same time.

[@xXKisskerXx]

Just purchased parts for my finally new PC. Had the same i7-920 for about 17 years now and well, it's time to get a new system. I don't know if I will personally benefit from this video - but I still wanted to thumbs up and comment to make sure others could find it easier. One of the most nerve wracking things for PC builders is this kinda stuff - we all expect "updates' to just "improve" our systems, and not possibly break them.

[@intensedabberoniJG]

i7-920???? that thing is ancient!! how did you manage to make it work past like windows 7? also, did you have a pre-release chip because that cpu is only 15 years old?? hope your new system is running good hope it lasts you as long as the 920 did lol

[@chriscs9080]

@@intensedabberoniJG I also have i7 920 12gb ram ddr3 overclocked to 4.1mhz running windows 10 without any issues. I even tried to play pubg with a 1050ti at 62fps avg on low settings . I bought this CPU when it was released for gaming and programming ..its been running the last 6 years overclocked without any issues. I have the budget to replace it but the damn thing wont die or lose performance .Since I rarely play any games and it performs good on the programming tasks I do I just feel bad to throw it away.

[@intensedabberoniJG]

@@chriscs9080 "the damn thing won't die" LMAO no shame in keeping it if it's still holding up fine in win10, I thought for sure you guys were on Linux or something to make these work. makes me happy to know how long hardware is lasting even with that overclock on it, even happier that it runs games

[@Dandan-tg6tj]

@@intensedabberoniJG You kidding, right? W10 installs pretty smooth on a Core 2 CPU (Duo or Quad) and it is working like a charm and it is working smoothly and fast if you use a SSD instead of a HDD.

[@Dandan-tg6tj]

@@chriscs9080 Olld CPUs overclocked run amazingly fast. I noticed this on Intel CPUs. At some point I used two PCs. One of them had an i5 2400 and the second one a E6600 (I think) overclocked a little and the Core 2 CPU with only 2 cores was working completely stable and faster than the 4 cored i5 2400 while it was 3 generations older.

[@dysnXO]

Can I download Display ID updater and update it While having 2 3090s running in my pc at the same time? Or do I have to take one out, update it, then switch gpus and update again?

[@techdiyer5290]

Hey Jay, there are devices that can upload a new bios , but there are specific tools... Basically you plug a few wires in and reprogram the chip. I think that's how they fix a bricked bios.

[@romainweisbecker7660]

Yes, I personnaly have a tsl866ii I used not so long ago to modify my gpu bios power limit (on a laptop), but it can be use to save bricked bios in general

[@buckgraham9195]

I love this style video! it reminds me of all my funky build roadblocks that I learn the most from! please do more of these!

[@GeneralJackRipper]

I've never had this particular problem, but I have spent 4 hours fixing something that only needed about 30 seconds to fix.

[@GeneralJackRipper]

@vliduu zeeb I regretted upgrading away from Windows 7. I will not make that mistake again.

[@seushimarejikaze1337]

yeah, imagine taking apart whole computer (because it was powering off randomly and finally, did not power on at all -stuck on black screen without post) and checking each part cpu, psu, gpu, ram . after a bit of brainstorming i just decided to unplug the reset button cable from mobo. guess what happened... lol

[@Can8ian.]

I was a computer technician in a computer store going back to the win95/98 days. I saw lots of similar looking problems back then but back then it usually added up IRQ conflicts and more than one device using the same IRQ. I wouldn't have known how to fix this issue though and would likely have assumed a motherboard fault after testing the GFX card in another system and it working fine. Good job Jay!

[@dog_knight]

Very interesting. These days we expect a lot of things to work smoothly, and for the most part they do. Vendors have made huge leaps in compatibility over time. Issues like this remind me of the type of driver issues we would have back in the 90's/00's. Especially with all the various dependencies software would have.

[@duckrutt]

Moving jumpers to fix IRQ conflicts. Programs not liking mouse drivers in HiMem. Programs not running without the mouse driver in HiMem. Good times.

[@amunch10]

*Update Below* Jay, I just ran into this issue and I’m so happy I found this. I gave up and gave my pc to Microcenter to fix it so if they don’t figure it out I can use this video instead. Mine was with a 3060 ti but this happened to me the exact same way, thank you so much! Update: Even though I had this same issue, it turns out I shorted out my motherboard by installing the standoff screws in my case incorrectly. This caused an improper connection to the back of the motherboard. Just goes to show how so many things can go wrong. FYI: Yes I had to buy a new motherboard, but this was also my first build, so lesson earned!

[@babylorvbeats]

I gave my P.C to micro center too and waiting for response lol

[@zakkariffery]

Do you have an update on if this worked for your 3060 ti? I have one as well and I'm having the same issue but can't try it outbfor a few days and would like some peace of mind while I wait lol

[@babylorvbeats]

​@@zakkariffery I don't know if you want my input but micro center was talking about the GPU being defective which was a lie. They wanted me to buy a new GPU from them but I said no. So my issue was that my CPU was overclocked which for some weird reason doesn't display anything when I put the GPU in but when I go into my bio setting and put all the bio setting to default my new GPU came on. That was my solution. You can also try updating the motherboard bio also. Before I can update my motherboard I put all my bio settings to default because if I try it with my overclock settings in bio my computer will crash during the bio update so be careful. Just put bio settings to default before updating the bios. That's what worked for me.

[@zakkariffery]

@@babylorvbeats i was wondering if amunch tried the displayid fix since he also had almost the exact same issue as in the video, but after your comment I'll definitely double check the bios settings to see if I missed something.

[@amunch10]

@@zakkariffery Check out my updated response, I hope it doesn't cost you extra but hey it happens to all of us.

[@khaychi]

I recently updated BIOS on my MSI board. Wouldn't post. In the end i had to swap the ram sticks, boot, power off and undo the swap until things went back to normal. And no, nothing was overclocked, no XMP profile enabled. Updating BIOS can cause some weird issues. Only update when the latest bios enhances stability or adds support for a new feature. Not only because you're bored. 👍

[@PStateSkate]

Thank you for this. I drove myself nuts with this same issue on a 3070 and another Asus board (albeit older) and eventually opted for a complete overhaul instead of a quick upgrade. I’m glad you were able to ferret out the culprit on this, hopefully it will alleviate some of the immediate panic for the next person.

[@po7763]

I had the same issue but switched video cards and it continued to fail. I was not able to Q-flash until I removed the cpu. I was a little hesitant to remove since I have never done it but I was then able to update bios and it posted after. I hope this helps someone else.

[@chrisguli2865]

My takeaway and lesson learned from this is if the same problem happens to a mere mortal builder at home without access to a huge hardware inventory, it's safe to presume the vbios/Display ID parameter needs updating as well following a system BIOS update. Kind of makes sense - old and new versions mixed together don't always work and often do not! My other takeaway from this and past experiences is BE CAREFUL with updates, especially when it comes to BIOS! "If it ain't broke don't fix it" applies to PC technology often. Actiual personal experience: I had an i5 MSI system (gen 9) from several years ago and I attempted several times a BIOS update "just for the hell of it". The update failed and would not load, but I did not brick the system fortunately. I went back to the MSI site and it did note in the BIOS update section - "Do not update BIOS if everything is working okay." and it was in my case. So it was the MSI PC gods warning me to leave well enough alone. Unless there is a particular reason to update the BIOS, DON'T.

[@Redmanticore]

lenovo marks every bios update as "recommended" on my lenovo legion 5 laptop, on its "Lenovo Vantage" updating software. nope. not touching.

[@radicaldradcliffe4201]

​@@Redmanticoreif its a few years old, and several good updates have passed, you probably should. They don't release bios updates like they do for graphics cards. Every bios update fixes serious problems with hardware compatibility

[@tbradley2317]

I found this "1 year ago" Jayz video as I was about to do a bios update and my RTX3060 12G and motherboard (and everything else) were purchased about 1-2 months before the 12th Gen Intel's were launched so at the time I went with an AMD Ryzen 9-5950X on mega sale for a lot less money than any sub-version of the i9-12900. The reason for doing another bios update to my TUF Gaming X570-Pro (Wi-Fi) board, the first time being because it was an early board version that was very far behind with lots of "stability" fixes in newer versions and one or two versions mentioning Windows 11, this time was for the AMD AGESA 1208 security update. But I was seeing posts about 1208 BETA "problems" and 1208A and other scary posts so I did some googling and stumbled across this unrelated post about bios bricked this PC which made me want to watch it. After seeing this video I searched for the nvidia updater and ran it and surprisingly it says my RTX3060 from August 2021 is already running the newest firmware so one less thing to worry about. Now I've at least got one less thing to worry about when doing another bios update to this system board. Side note to Jay... granted it's long since legacy but my Intel i7-4790K is one of those odd Intel ducks that does *not* have a built in GPU (or TPM) so trying to plug a monitor cable into its' Maximus Hero VII Z97's existing monitor ports would be very frustrating if a user didn't know. Oh and a TPM2.0 module (downgraded to 1.2 after finding the Z97 boards don't play nice with TPM2.0) and the official MS dword add got that i7-4790K upgraded from WIndows 10 to Windows 11 Pro x64 along with regular updates so far.

[@XInfinity2024]

Good video and interesting. Huge thank you to Jar for the video and showing that very strange things do happen. I have a very weird problem happen to me. Ryzen 3600 , 2x 16GB DDR4 3600MHz RAM and a RX 580 8GB. I was running 3x 1080p 60Hz monitors on the RX 580 perfectly fine on Windows 7 and Windows 10. I upgraded my 3 1080p monitors to 3x 4k 60Hz monitors. My system instantly reset the BIOS. So I set everything back, saved and restarted but the BIOS setting reset. I tried adding a 25MHz overclock to the stock DDR4 RAM speed but it would reset once again. People kept saying it was the BIOS but they refused to understand that if it was the BIOS then I probably should have had problems booting with the 1080p monitors. Dropped down to 1 4k monitor and it booted fine with XMP. Tried booting with 2 4k monitors and it had the boot problem once again. I bought an AMD 6000 series GPU and it booted perfectly fine with RAM XMP and the 3x 4k monitors. Before that problem I had one where the HDMI cable would cause the system to hard lockup. When I tried to get help to figure what was going on people were complaining that I did not give any error reports and to post it and I said there wasn't one they were getting annoyed. I got annoyed because they kept asking for a crash report but there was none because the system hard locked and that doesn't cause a crash report to be generated. I was out with some friends and I decided to buy a new HDMI cable since I heard that some problems can be caused by the most weird thing. I connected that new HDMI cable and 0 problems. When I said what was causing the problem I have had all of them tell me that that kind of cable doesn't have problems like that. 2 years ago there was a person on discord that was having a weird problem and I suggested to use a different port and if that doesn't work to use a different cable. All those people on discord said I was wrong and I don't know what I was talking about. The person that was having the problem listened to me since it was the cheapest thing and their problem gone away. To everyone that took the time to read what I have said first of all thank you but also when trying to help someone to troubleshoot. Not every person has experience with PCs and the super basic stuff for new people like a cable is something they might not even think about.

[@dennisfahey2379]

We tend to think of BIOS as a motherboard thing but it is modular, always had been since the 1980's. In fact that was the whole point - to let upgrades bring the code they needed with themselves. Yes the MOBO starts the journey, it has to to initialize chips that will talk to PCI resources. Once that is setup the BIOS extensions (LAN, VGA, RAID, etc) are sequentially given control to initialize. This specific issue is not uncommon for Reconfigurable BAR. REBAR is both a MOBO and GPU (and later OS) evolution. It may require more than one BIOS subsystem update. Note more PCI enhancements are in the works so this may happen again. (Compute Express Link) Interestingly I had a similar issue but a different root cause. On an ASUS MOBO the system would not boot after a MOBO BIOS update failed with no detailed reason why. In the end I found that low and behold the EEPROM that hosted the BIOS image had a singular bad block. The old BIOS, that had run for years, had all FF's in this block. The new BIOS had operational code. I had to buy a new EEPROM and flash that with an external programmer to bring the system up to date. Never seen that before. (Justification - the new BIOS image supported bigger/badder/better CPUs. Thus the reason to undertake the update in the first place.)

[@Vermilicious]

Well, I saw Asus recommends resetting the BIOS to default values first and then only updating one version at a time. Perhaps this didn't happen, and so the BIOS ended up in a faulty state.

[@ragemodegaming7962]

Beware the Windows Doubling rule: every 2nd version of Windows is absolute dogshit. 7 was good, 8 was a rotting corpse in a compost bin, 10 was good (and still is, until 2025...) and 11 is just "oh shit I just hawked snot on my shoe, let's use it to polish Vista and call it 11" dumpster fire. But I'm sure Chris had his reasons to upgrade to 11. Some of us just enjoy pain like that. PS: Anyone know a good spot to get dust filters for my ancient Antec Nine Hundred case? Thx

[@skilz8098]

Use the onboard integrated graphics. Boot the system up and once your operating system is loaded uninstall the graphics drivers completely then reinstall them. See if that fixes the conflict between UEFI and the video card. Also, in between the uninstall and reinstall of the graphics drivers, try reinstalling the chipset drivers for the main board. This may help to resolve those conflicts. It could be an issue with the one of the bridges and the PCI express lanes.

[@digitalconsciousness]

Further note: not all MBs have integrated graphics, so this won't work if your MB doesn't. I learned this the hard way =(

[@AlguienMas]

No motherboard has ever had integrated graphics in the last 10 or so years

[@g-wolf9445]

This is an excellent troubleshooting video. A lot of people don’t understand the tiers of troubleshooting for modern day computers. Luckily, this ended up being a quick fix where you didn’t have to walk away, have a beer and have an aha moment write when you’re about to fall asleep.

[@Ninja-Cake]

Bios updates often lead to issues hence why I only ever do mboard bios updates if totally necessary. Awesome video super interesting.

[@OmniscientlyMe]

It's also why as a pro, when I do a BIOS update for the first time, I set aside at least 2 hours in case I need to troubleshoot problems caused by a

[@williecinko2334]

Flipping running through every different diagnostic for the new PC I’ve been building over two years and I bought the ram last so I can’t return anything, dumb idea.. finally figured out why it wasn’t booting up just now! The dang plug to the motherboard wasn’t plugged in all the way to the PSU.., wish me luck installing OS!!!!

[@pkszeto]

I'm so glad that you made this video. I had a recent experience quite similar to yours. I built a brand new x570 system this past December. I assembled my system with all standard top brand out-of-box components. I hadn't installed the video card at first because you normally don't need an external video card. No post, no video. I was able to go into BIOS and check all the components. After a ton of troubleshooting I was ready to conclude that I had either a bad CPU or mobo. Just for laughs, I plugged in my graphics card to see what would happen and BAM! The system posted and started to boot up! I'm sure that my system out of the box had a problem with its BIOS straight from the start. So, there may be a BIOS snafu out there that could make you misdiagnose a bad mobo, cpu, or video card.

[@mikethemechanic8853]

My mobo wouldnt even boot without an external GPU. The GPU was the last component i got when building so I had to wait a couple weeks to see if it would work. Luckily it booted up just fine after that.

[@cryzz0n]

Love these kinds of videos Jay. They are good because i just want to learn more about computers, explaining of error codes, testing methods and other useful information like the Nvida UEFI bios etc. This is easy to look up information, but having it explained from a trusted person makes it way easier to learn. Thanks Team Cents.

[@andistraum2972]

Since one of my main hobbies is pc hardware in general, i always have a few graphic cards and other components by hand, but in this case i also would've been screwed xD don't have 2x 3080ti's, a 3090ti and 3050 at the same time (unfortunately) Thanks for the video jay, much love for these type of videos, since i can relate so hard to them ❤

[@shuntao3475]

Back in 2001 We built and all Asus System for a client. The system would not post. Put the video card into a Gigabyte MB and all good. Ended up being an issue on the Asus MB bios talking to the Asus Video Card. We ended up swamping to the Gigabyte MBG and moved forward. Asus did fix the Bio in the MB, but that was 6 months later.

[@kraftsandkats2194]

New to PC building, will mainly use for Digital Artistry. Will eventually build me one in the near future once the price for cards have gone down some. I am DEFINTLY keeping this video saved just in case. Been watching Jayz and others on how to build and what to do after the build installs, drivers etc. Keep these kinds of videos coming will absolutely help those that know very little to nothing about building PC's

[@Skunnt]

One thing I learned about PCs and especially with building them is to not panic when something goes wrong. You gotta give it time because sometimes the best thing you can do is to wait and let the computer process what it needs to do and usually it will work out the problem itself….unless you got a virus then you can panic lol and always make sure everything is up to date for all your software.

[@rockpyl]

Love these type of videos, as a relatively newer builder (2019) you never know when something will go wrong and seeing Jays thought process and troubleshooting is invaluable information.

[@jamesw71]

LOL everytime he plugs into the cpu graphics slot of course it is going to change to CPU graphics...and of course you really can't troubleshoot this as being a BIO issue because you don't get a screen when plugged into the GPU and have ZERO clue if it is doing it then as well....because everytime you check you have to plug back into the CPU graphics to get to the screen LOLOL.

[@PhoenixNoKiseki]

I enjoy these types of videos, it’s always interesting the different kinds of issues tech can throw at you. Even for someone as experienced as Jay or Linus. I’m always glad it’s NOT my stuff though.

[@markdavenportjr5129]

This is why i never touch my bios unless something is wrong with it. :)