Is your PC ready for future AAA Title Recommended Specs?

[@lemoncake9385]

I'll be straight up; AAA games don't interest me enough anymore.

[@IAMkingofkings318]

Cool. Anyways, for us normal people who aren’t anti AAA and just want good games in general…

[@ArctecGemini]

⁠​⁠@@IAMkingofkings318 You should be anti any game that releases half-baked, tries to nickel and dime you with micro-transactions, is poorly optimized, and/or tries to make political statements. But if flops like Concord and Star Wars: Outlaws interest you, please, don’t let us stop you.

[@doughy041]

Games half finished, not optimized, micro everything, seasons you have to pay for, skins that are too much, pay to play everywhere I'll pass. If you're interested in this have fun.

[@Downsider24]

@@IAMkingofkings318 Well, when the AAA space starts launching good games? Sure, but until then? It's all trash.

[@TheCocomunges]

You’re the minority, 90% of people who have even a waning interest in gaming no matter how casual plays AAA.

[@haydenw8691]

Remember when games were optimized instead of reliying on crutches like DLSS and FSR? Not to mention were finished when they launched.

[@ruthlessedgeboy8591]

The good old days.

[@furudoerika6977]

The plan is flood the market with unoptimized Unreal Engine 5 and Unity games

[@tushargore2955]

Developers are becoming lazier

[@PeterZemeni]

good old days!

[@brycenb2994]

Technically. If a game relies on those modern tech that IS optimization

[@AugmentedGravity]

The thing is for me, i wouldn't be mad at devs etc for requiring RT support, IF raytracing actually worked. By this i mean hardware that can play it without having to go for a 4090 or similar flagship, and devs implementing it in a way that doesn't tank performance or just not benefit the game in any way.

[@afelias]

You do you. Personally, I would be mad at devs for requiring raytracing in general just because I still don't believe it's a good lighting technique that's worth the extra computation. It reeks of poor optimization if a game is "RT-only." I'd hate to see what else is hidden under the rug.

[@AugmentedGravity]

@ kind of my point

[@jonathanschaeffner4275]

@@afeliasRT running poorly isn’t because of poor optimization. RT just requires A LOT of computational power. Previous to the RTX release, we were only capable of rendering ray traced scenes as an animation because it took a long time to render. A poorly optimized game is a game that runs bad even with RT off.

[@finstor3386]

That would be absurd as RT seems to be nothing but a gimmik. I cant even tell when tech guys give a side by side screenshot with RT on and off, let alone when I turn it on in game.

[@Weissman111]

If they're recommending a 4080 Super then they're going to limit their market.

[@EpicNoob99]

Like he said they’re referring to VRAM. And nvidia is just stingy with VRAM. You can get cheaper AMD cards or the intel B580

[@yikesmcgee-gz3lq]

Why would anyone not buy a 4090 at this point with how cheap pc parts have gotten?

[@RumblesBettr]

@@EpicNoob99i picked a 7900 gre hell hound with 16gb for like 565$ back in march been super happy with the performance so far. Nothing is future proof but i hope this gets me 2-3 years more. Runs the new indiana jones games on ultra perfectly

[@shuvi1565]

​@@yikesmcgee-gz3lqnice troll lol

[@yikesmcgee-gz3lq]

@@shuvi1565huh?

[@railerswim]

The jump to RT hardware isn’t necessarily my issue. It’s the fact that we need the beefiest hardware to get a refined enough experience. Oh you don’t have 16GB of VRAM? Have fun with flickering textures and LoD issues. Oh you don’t want to deal with NVidia anymore? Have fun with software defined dynamic resolution since you can’t run DLSS. That’s the stuff I have an issue with.

[@chrissoclone]

Well, I'd say give FSR 3.1 a chance, it's not that bad from WQHD up, or use Intel XeSS which can look pretty good on non-Intel, however, nVidia-sponsored titles tend to leave out these options recently (where's the outrage for that?) and leave AMD/Intel users with outdated, bad quality upscalers and THAT's something I hate having to deal with. Can't wait for a nonproprietary DirectX upscaler that treats everyone the same, I'm sick of this sponsorship and sabotage game.

[@HellhoundXIV]

RT and AI Killed true innovation. Graphics Peaked 9 Years ago, nowadays developers are using AI on EVERYTHING to pump out games as quickly as possible without carring on optimization and gameplay. The last graphically impressive games were God Of War and HZD, and those games run FLAWLESSLY on potato hardware. Yet here we are, AAA forcing us to drop our 40 series and XT/Xs just because we don't have enough "RT Cores". Miss me out with that BS. If this is the case, I'm done with gaming.

[@ambientlightofdarknesss4245]

​@@chrissoclone I've tried 3.1 and it doesn't hold a candle to DLSS even in quality. FSR has always been that option you "settled for" because you didn't have a Nvidia GPU for DLSS. FSR is great that it's open source and more easily addable to games and all. But it doesn't give AMD cards any added value. It gives AMD good will, which is great. But I still can just buy Nvdia and use AMD's "product" Xess will be the only real competitor to DLSS, especially that Intel is light speed with it's generational advancements. I won't be surpised if their XESS2 will already look better than AMD Fsr. If not compete against DLSS directly.

[@Thomas_Angelo]

Yeah. If the RTX 4090 can't get 60 fps in 4k in a game without Ray Tracing, Why is this game even released.

[@47battles]

@@HellhoundXIVpreach brother omg preach 🙏🏾

[@ma6netho]

in 2075 we need a personal nukelar powerplant

[@bobby4363]

Absolutely! And based on these useless content creators, we will need it for Spiderman, GOW and Ratchet and Clank then too.

[@notCAMD]

*nuclear

[@thefirsttrillionaire2925]

I have idea why I read nuclear PowerPoint in my mind 😂

[@dashkatae]

It won’t take that long. Probably nvidia 7000 or 8000 series will need the powerplant just to run it.

[@robertt9342]

The move toward dragging you to new technology isn’t the problem, it’s that the market segment at a price point that used to be there for many gamers didn’t exist anymore until intels lates offering.

[@LaubeQ]

As a poor person that could never afford anything new, I DON'T MIND having the short end of the stick and someone telling me "listen, we know you're on a 7 years old CPU and we'd love to have you with us but if we do anything to support your thing, we can't really do our thing". THAT'S FAIR GAME. The HUGE ISSUE is that games are ASS. Optimized like crap and now we have a channel also exposing graphical designers and how Unreal Engine at its core works and how it could be optimized to gain a lot of miliseconds from 1 action (of rendering) to another. This is not important but *CRITICAL.* If you told me you couldn't support my R5 2600 and I needed something faster starting on a 7600 (hypothetical), I wouldn't have an issue as long as you can be sure that if I got the 7600 or better, I'd be playing at 100+ fps constant no issues @ target resolution. But that isn't the case. Often times you have people with good CPUs and/or powerful GPUs struggling. And those are the people with availability in a good country, a Microcenter nearby, the economic capability and sometimes those who "upgrade" every year or every 2 years. What's left for the rest of us then? Edit: Like I don't give a chocolate fudge about "global illumination" and all those buzzwords, when you have 2009 games that look FANTASTIC. The enviornment looks good, the weather effects look good, the atmosphere is fantastic... and they didn't have all these technologies back then. And THAT is the biggest issue I think most of us have with the logic of "we need to move forward". In F1 analogy, sauber saying: "we need to move forward" and it's like well yes, your car barely moves. Start with having a decent enough car, then you can move forward.

[@kalle5548]

Right on the money, Just replayed Detroit: Become Human (Such a great story) and the graphics are just stunning, apart from sometimes having low-poly low-resolution textures (noticed it maybe 5 times in 15h). Ran on my 2070 super + 10850k, locked at 60fps (highest cap) 1440p max settings and 2x render resolution and maybe 70-80% GPU utilization. With some modern hair, slightly higher texture and another higher poly count LOD level it easily beats most AAA games for looks and performs much better. Really shows the state of modern gaming. I hope GTA VI launches with great graphics and decent performance, otherwise I don't see this trend reversing. At this point I'm questioning if it's even worth upgrading to a faster GPU since most games eighter run and look fine or are UE5 slop. A 4090 should be for 8k 60, not 1080p 30. I sure hope Threat Interactive gets his message out. Thx for reading this absolute unit of a comment :)

[@gucky4717]

Go buy a used console then...

[@Slane583]

That's why I avoid AAA games completely. They look pretty but they run like total crap, most of the time the story isn't that interesting and they've gotten way too expensive. The only real "AAA" game series I play is Sniper Elite and Rebellion still uses their own graphics engine for it. Each game that comes out improves greatly on the environments, the scenery is beautiful and I can run it at 100fps with maximum graphics settings on my ARC A770. Other than that I stick to Indie games because they're cheaper and much better made than AAA games. They take older graphics and make them look beautiful while giving good gameplay and they can run at high frame rates on a potato.

[@davidhines7592]

@@gucky4717 waste money on underpowered overpriced tech with inflated game prices on a monopolistic store? no thanks. my current pc cost less than a used console new. the only reason nvidia makes 8gb gpus is because consoles exist. console owners should be educated to realise they are dealing with 30fps because they dont switch to pc with better spec for the same or less money, and because they stick with consoles the games will leave them behind too.

[@Lowlocity]

​​@@davidhines7592I hate to break it to you but a series x/PS5 is better then most of the steam user base. Also if you think thats the reason why people stay on console you're either a kid or really naive. Side note current generation console are 60 fps now they just have a 30 fps mode for higher resolution that's 1440p and above mostly.....so that parts just done right wrong it's a optimization problem not a hardware problem.

[@flameotter3434]

Monster Hunter Wilds is the reason I'm building a whole new system. I'll be going from a 1660ti to... I don't know yet.

[@OSG_Graced]

It’s actually the reason I jumped up from a 4060 Ti (I know) to a 4070 Ti Super. That and more future proofing

[@walkthebrokenpath0]

Just did the same damn thing i went with a 4070 ti the jump to ti super didnt seem worth it plus got a really good deal on the ti and a 7800x3d with it

[@UnVision]

I'm upgrading from a 3060 Ti for MH too

[@Napert]

if a 4090 can't run current "AAAA" games at 60fps then how in the world are we supposed to "future-proof" anything if future releases will be even more unoptimized/slower ? we need to develop time travel in order to buy rtx 50xx or 60xx gpus to play todays games at reasonable framerates

[@devilzuser0050]

future proof means: don't mind the last 6 year game releases. Then you become a happy man! ;)

[@R6ex]

"Future-proofing" these RT days means you get the motherboard of a socket that has many years of CPU support ahead (so you can just upgrade CPU without changing mobo), and buy the latest and greatest GPU every few years and plonk it on the same mobo inside ur rig. As long as you're not buying into dead-end socket like the LGA1700 or AM4, you're future-proofing your rig. Getting 64GB of reasonably fast D5 RAM, large-enough NVMe SSD to hold & run your games & OS, a PSU with slightly more power than currently needed in order to leave room for growth, using a casing that can accomodate longer GPUs in future, etc. etc. are all factors worth considering future-proofing.

[@LoricSwift]

Your not, Nvidia is quite happy if you buy every new GPU you they release. 'The more you buy, the more I save!'

[@feliksdzerzhinskij800]

Play in 1080p with a 16GB VRAM cards, that's how you're gonna future proof yourself. It sucks but it is what it is.

[@JROCC0625]

What game is that ? 😆

[@MicDeath]

Me: *looks at my 8GB XFX RX 570* Well old chum.... *loads a 10 gauge shell*

[@ThereButNotSeen]

10 gauge? Someone is cultured in the art of overkill.

[@ABlindHilbily]

My r5 2600x and Rx 580 8gb is still chugging along in my emulator PC. I swear that thing was faithful through crypto and a pandemic. There's no way I could let that PC go.

[@kyller10]

I just upgraded from an xfx 590 Fatboy to an xfx 7800xt this month

[@ABlindHilbily]

@@kyller10 2-3 years ago I snagged a deal on an rtx3080 Ftw on EVGA madness deal and just went from r5 5600x to a 5700x3d. The 5600x will go towards a build for my nephew. I've been looking for trades on marketplace for early epyc CPU/motherboard combo because he's enrolled in stem classes and I think it would benefit him more.

[@notwhatitwasbefore]

Needs another X and it would be fine I think. Thats why they went to 0000xt in their naming, More Xs more better as XFX knows all too well thats why I just upgraded to an XFX RX7900XT (I couldn't afford the extra X sadly). your cards done really well I went from a rx480 to a 3070 and now the 7900xt so well done to that 570!

[@77Arcturus]

I can't think of a game i have needed to upgrade for since the 1990's when the first QUAKE and DUKE NUKEM came out during the same time period of the year. What was funny about QUAKE was that it was still completely playable in slow motion because of how the animations played out and how the moaning growls in slow motion sounded even more terrifying and creepy. DUKE NUKEM on the other hand was a lagging pausing frustration fest especially around floor elevations. Even STARFIELD i did not need to upgrade for but i wanted to start future proofing things so my brother inlaw who works in I.T. did his pc parts for the best price and performance research and built me a new pc last summer where am set for a good seven years with plenty of room for upgrades like video cards and ram when the times comes before a complete pc upgrade cycle arrives once more. Thanks for the great videos JayzTwoCents and happy building! happy gaming! ☕

[@vipersb1]

Yes, but my wallet isn't. Stop paying $70 for games people, or tomorrow they will be $80. And Ubisoft can 🖕 off with their "AAAA" bullshit.

[@OGSunnyD]

Just waiting to see what they’re going to try and charge for GTA 6, and won’t even be on PC for a year or two so it’ll only ever be played at 30-60 fps and not even native

[@acubley]

And it would be nice if they'd finish the game before releasing it. Kinda pisses me off. I'll wait another few years before I get Cyberpunk, for example.

[@hvdiv17]

If games go $80 ill be game pass ultimate sub full time.

[@greenbeetless]

Who the hell pays $70 a game, if you have a PC you buy when it goes on sale. I don’t know the last time I bought a game for full price.

[@vipersb1]

​@@greenbeetlessLots of people do, my friend. But I wholeheartedly agree.

[@LifeofBoris]

AAA is just a thing that people scream when they realise what tech specs they need to run new games at 60fps on low

[@blindeyegaming8032]

Fully agreed, its becoming just a name for unoptimized games

[@aaz1992]

iiiiiiiiiiiis Boris!

[@Eisenight]

What the blin? It's Boris.

[@sirius_solaris]

1. Surprised seeing you here! Love the vids comrade. 2. Fully agree, there are definitely unoptimized games and definitely ignorant people complaining, but overall, 'AAA' game is just a buzzword being used by random people and lost its meaning.

[@ppten3350]

it's Boris

[@Xbooster35]

I never had such an issue so far that I really had to upgrade my system, but this is only my 2and fully upgraded system. Fortunately I'm good with my system for a while, I don't need to upgrade now. Ty for the video, it really helps out a lot to get a good look in the PC world

[@RhettOlson]

The storage issue is something I've dealt with for ages, living in a rural farmhouse. If I download a 100GB game, it is not getting deleted from my computer because I don't want to spend the time to download it again. I will buy as many hard drives as necessary to maintain my game collection.

[@Jon_Snow_88]

Same. I have shitty internet so I would rather buy another hard drive than delete a game and have to suffer the long download times

[@Lithjo]

Ive got 6mb/s download speed for my games and ive just normalised downloads being 1h+ for games. In the end it will be what it will be, cant cry over it and fixed. I found that being a 1tb extra ssd for my laptop has me with heaps of space.

[@toddheartsound5451]

@@Lithjo I am on 6 mega BYTES / second and downloading a typical game is a "play it tomorrow" kinda deal. The worst is when I think I am all set up and there's a "54GB update" :D Plus, we (me and the Mrs.) are usually playing co-op so any thing that needs to be downloaded - needs to be downloaded twice (over the same connection, of course)

[@TheWebbNasty]

@@toddheartsound5451 Get that starlink friends! Worth it 100%

[@stephenhood2948]

I pay for 400 Mbps internet, but was getting no where near that speed. I went into my router settings and changed, I think it was the MTU??, from the 32 it was at to 1500. I am now getting over 500 Mbps every time I test my internet speed. Has something to do with the size of the packets its requesting and receiving?? Something like that, I'm no IT Tech. I havent had to download a game yet to see how much it helped, but even with good internet, at least I thought it was, games still took a hour or so to download. You can also change this setting through a command prompt in your PC if you cannot access your router settings.

[@bb2ridder757]

You would think with the rise of gaming handhelds AAA games would make their lowest setting based on that

[@tvdootman27]

this tbh

[@gamer8622]

Not rly. It just forces developers to create visuals that can be completely removed via settings instead of just turned down.

[@cluckern9614]

Both Intel and AMD's current integrated graphics support RT

[@Jimmys_TheBestCop]

AAA gaming is now primarily on Console. Look at the Steam Hardware even the 4070 only accounts for under 3%. Same thing for 3070. Indy games now rule. There will be 1-3 solid AAA PC releases now and almost 0 are exclusive. $1000 gpu or a $400 console?

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

@@Jimmys_TheBestCop Be honest. How much did you drink before making that comment?

[@opoxious1592]

Like a lot of people, when i get the splashscreen at the beginning the startmenu does not appear. The screen stays black. And i read a LOT, that people have the same kind of problem. I have the RX 6800.

[@DarkStalker-oc5lk]

The way developers are working today, there is no future-proof PC, instead of just optimizing the games, they increase the requirements and throw in DLSS or any other shit just to make the game run at 4k60fps with asstracing

[@JosephSaintClair]

Person: I turned on a computer… Nek minet… Same Person: experienced full stack game developer

[@MihaiHategan]

Exactly!! Lazy ass optimization!

[@UndercoverPirate69]

Yes that too next to me not playing the latest and greatest. Games are often not even optimized on launch which is staggering and will be 6-12 months later and sometimes even never. It's binging for insanity

[@uss-dh7909]

Imagine being a game developer and pushing out a half cooked pile of garbage. We never should have left the disks behind. Games needed to be complete back in those days or they would have never sold.

[@kevreeduk222]

@@uss-dh7909 While it certainly wasn't quite as rtife back in the day, many games certainly WERE being released in a less-than-optimal state. Does no-one here remember game patches / updates on gaming magazine coverdisks (even back when those coverdisks were 3.5" floppies)?

[@Tackitt]

Let’s put some of this on the engine and the developers. These games are not well optimized.

[@BrianWelch-ks9ms]

Developers know they have plenty of overhead based on the highest-level GPUs and CPUs, so as long as they hit target FPS it doesn't matter how optimized the code is. Also, with storage being cheap, they don't need to worry about leaving random code blocks in there taking up space. I wish we could go back to the time when developers had to optimize every line of code to fit into mere kilobytes.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

​@@BrianWelch-ks9msI'd argue the reason has a lot more to do with shifting from bespoke implementations to solve your games needs. Now everyone has shifted to just turning on whatever UE5 provides. Doesn't matter if it doesn't even make sense for the game. The old tried and true methods that worked to make exceptional looking rasterized games are now being deemed to time intensive and so developers flick a few switches in UE5 and call it a day. Leading to actually worse visuals because they take no time to fit the out of the box solutions for their games needs AND worse performance because these new systems are still extremely immature vs the older established methods. I also think that a lot of the talent in dev studios have become younger and the knowledge of the older methods has been lost (game engines like UE5 do a bad job with them out of the box as well). Further fueled by the combination of young people and tech people that love to use the new cutting edge stuff (they think it's cool) regardless of it's actually ready for prime time or not. It's the same thing that happened on the IT space a few years ago where everyone was pushing "containerization" over full virtualization for everything because it seems so new and cool without any thought if it was ready or even made sense for the use case. Lead to so many infrastructure issues across companies that ultimately hurt consumers.

[@Mnmn-xi6cj]

@@BrianWelch-ks9ms ahh yes, the classic random code blocks that take up all that space

[@urmensch12]

Dont exclude Managers here

[@dkman123]

The game is optimized, for development time. The game is not available to lower sets of hardware. That's a separate thing. It would have taken more development time to accommodate lower hardware. They chose not to do that.

[@Haydrion]

The game that forced me to upgrade literally came out Christmas eve. 2 games actually. 1 was called "Dead monitor" and the other, after troubleshooting on my tv, was "Failing gpu 2" Oh man. "Failing gpu 1" was so hard on my system that it killed it after 2 days being installed.

[@Mike-zf7lo]

The last time I remember "having" to upgrade was when I was like 15 years old and needed an extra 256mb of RAM, trying to explain to my dad what that meant when neither of us knew a thing about it. It was my own computer, but it wasn't a gaming setup. It was just a regular old family computer.

[@Androctonus84]

The 7900 GRE apparently just reached end of life, so good luck getting one as an upgrade. I ordered one just a week ago, and it was hard to track down the one I wanted then.

[@ASBCorvette]

I was looking for one and can't find one anywhere. 😢

[@Androctonus84]

@@ASBCorvette That sucks. I'm sure that as soon as the news came out everyone snatched up what little stock was still out there.

[@ASBCorvette]

@@Androctonus84 Unfortunately, I think that's exactly what happened. Onto the next best option I guess.

[@imrileth6618]

I was looking for gpu few weeks back. the cheapest gre model was 750 euros while the cheapest 7800xt was 470 euros. Real scalping prices going on again. Got my 7800xt pure for 530 and now it costs 630. I was originally supposed to wait for 8000 series but i have a hunch that there prices are going to be completely insane in europe again when they launch.

[@AndreFreitas91250]

In some markets they almost gone after the black friday 😢

[@Lookin4LoveInAllTheWrongPlaces]

i7 6700k/GTX 1070 Turbo/ Z170-E MOBO/16GB RAM. Hooked up to a LG 24" 144Hz1080p monitor. (2016 Build) Upgraded to a i7 13700k/RTX4070 ti TUF/Z790-A MOBO/32GB RAM. Dell 34" 144Hz 3440x1440p monitor. (2023 Build) The game was Far Cry 6. Plus, RDR2 came to PC so I wanted to experience it in its beautiful glory of the game that it is. Also, I took another jab at GTA5 on the new system. Edit: Can't leave out TLOU Part 1. Looks beautiful in 1440p at 90+ FPS

[@sulphurous2656]

I don't know, the 9800X3D and RTX 4090 might not be enough for 1080p without fake resolution and fake frames soon.

RT is going to be a requirement soon.

[@j1nftw1n]

Literally can't see the difference and in some instances I prefer the non RT.

@@j1nftw1n Yeah me neither, but it WILL be the minimum req.

[@j33k83]

Keep falling for unreal engine game demo's and devs will use it. Of course your 9800x3d and 4090 will not be enough

[@dank_stogie_yooooo]

What does this tell you? The developers are shit. Games have bad code these days and thats why theyre so hardware hungry these days

[@betelgeuse145]

There is a future for AAA games ?

[@Dempig]

I find that most of the people that pretend to hate AAA have potato pc's that cant run them

[@thefallen6542]

​@@Dempigwell buddy i have a great recently built PC and the only triple A game that has captured me this 2 years is baldurs gate 3 which runs pretty much on anything, Space marines 2, and Phantom liberty even though cyberpunk 2077 its a 4 year old game.

[@realenew]

the power of AAA marketing is not something to be underestimated

[@GrySgtBubba]

​@@DempigWell buddy, 13700k, 64gb RAM, 4080-super here... I'm not interested in 95% of AAA games the last 5-6yrs at least. BG3, Wukong and that's bout it. Even majority of AA games are mid last few years.

[@FirestormX9]

​@@thefallen6542that person you responded to actually makes sense, they're talking about graphically demanding games as an identifier for triple A. Not sales, popularity, and such marketing oriented identifiers. BG3 is a potato game considering the graphical fidelity and demand. From other aspects, such as, community, popularity, heritage, etc it can be considered triple A. But the most significant and clear identifier of Triple A is the graphical demand. Crysis, and the Cry Engine are defining examples of this. There used to be other popular games like Warcraft, Starcraft, Unreal Tournament, Need For Speed, which were all triple A but it was clear that Crysis was in a different class. Why was that? Cause of graphics. So that person is correct when they say that most people hating triple A are those who can't run these games on their potato pc's. Even CP2077, if you're only able to run that game at 60 fps with really low settings at 1080p with scaling then you have a potato pc even though it 'technically runs' the game. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@letmehavemyhandle]

OK. the Ifixit AD NEVER gets old. its so fun...🤣🤣

[@coachaub377]

It is like "Strongbad" made the ad!

[@Qbasz007]

You know what grinds my gears? I was able to play Control with all Ray tracing features enabled with dlls 2 at 1080p 60fps on my Rtx 2070 and that game looks nice even today. Now playing new games on a 2070 without Ray tracing is almost unbearable and the games look worse than Control. How?

[@thesmerelajiah2805]

Partially devs releasing seemingly incomplete games.

[@sopcannon]

occasionally i still jump into control.

[@johnt.848]

Lazy coding and offloading to the hardware, instead of making the game more efficient.

[@chrisk3127]

unreal engine shortcuts that are worse visually

[@robertspringer5370]

Nvidia nerfs their old hardware with updates.

[@Tonydeezer]

I would love to see Jay make an video to test some of these Requirements for popular games. I know he has done some before but what i Would like to see specifically is "do you actually need the listed hardware or can you get away with less powerful Hardware?" Sometimes i feel like the listed System Requirements are a lil bit weird

[@i_am_macgyver84]

This is the first video I've ever downvoted Jay on because he obviously made a video based off of specs and not testing for himself. I left a main comment out there, but my older build from 2020, i9 9900k, 2070 super, 32 gigs of ram. I am running above minimum settings, and steam streaming to my Intel NUC at my TV because it's a laid back game and I don't need to be at my desk for this one. And the quality is great and there is no lag. I bet I can increase certain settings. I just need to find the time to sit down at my desk doing tests. But the game looks so good as it is that I haven't been worried about it.

[@1012Mrjesse]

@TestingGames basically does that

[@aydenproductions2056]

It's not about the hardware it never was. It's about optimizations and lazy devs.

[@MrEricmopar]

Lazy or they actually don't know how to optimize.

[@LanTenko]

Not lazy devs, corporate greed.

[@caldweab]

These arguments are lazy and tired.

[@MrEL91N]

It isn’t a matter of devs just being lazy. There are much bigger issues at play having to do with corporate greed and capitalism as a whole. They want games put out in less time by less people using less skilled workers with less experience working together. This mentality is wrecking havoc across many industries and stems from greed.

[@tlfearofthedarkhun387]

last comment is the truth. Anyone working in IT encounters this. Cheaper, less experienced workers, the least effort for more profit. Experienced, clever employees typically mean a risk nowadays unfortunately. There are talented devs, they aren't the main cause of the issue, it is greed which is reaching higher and higher levels.

[@johnaldridge83]

I just built a PC with a 7800X3D and a 4080 Super. I'm really glad I went big.

[@Thunderhawk51]

Same here, but with 9800X3D and 7900 XT. Never had anything latest and greatest before. But 9800X3D will stay on my PC for over a decade. 7900 XT is a bit older and weaker though and will probably need replacing around 2030. Unless I'm forced to upgrade sooner for whatever reason. But I'm glad I went big as well! 😁

[@Sixeye_]

@@Thunderhawk51 They will dangle these new A.I GPUs in your face until you buy one 🤣. I think in two years PC gaming will be so out of reach for so many because it will be so dam expensive. I got the 7900 XT so I could hopefully to game on PC before it all becomes insanely expensive.

[@ahmedhamm5464]

i did the same with my last build went with a i9 10900k and 3080 and tbh i dont feel like it bought me more time this shit already feels like its out of date its crazy

[@ThoughtOuter]

Was thinking on this same exact build i am waiting to see how the 5080 will look before i pull the trigger on the 4080 Super

[@jamesc3953]

Nvidia will try to make you feel dumb with a bs rtx5060 can get 4080 performance claim

[@keiranwait4817]

I upgraded my PC back in April 2023 I went from an I7-7700K, Nvidia GTX 1080, 16GB RAM and a 500GB Sata SSD. To an I9-13900K, RTX 4090, 32GB DDR5 RAM and a 2TB M.2 SSD. The main reason for that timing was I had got my Bonus from work and had the money to upgrade finally. I would say the main game though was Cyberpunk 2077 I wanted to play about with the crazy RT stuff :)

[@edinpandzic5838]

my pc wasnt ready for years...but its still chugging along....980ti SLI x2...i-7 6700k oh ya...its a beast

[@granthogan6691]

I think the trick is to have a few years off gaming and pcs like i did. Then when you come back to it there is a whole back catalogue of games that you can play with cheap used hardware. Ive got a 5700xt and 2600x and im years of gaming away from playing anything that will require more

[@Crixer234]

It's incredible for me how second-hand 5700 XTs got so cheap, i brought one from eBay and thank god it didn't have an miner BIOS or GPU overuse/long term heat damage defects.

[@granthogan6691]

@@Crixer234 yup I got mine for I think 180 Aussie dollars. Since I couldn't care less about ray tracing (yet) it's bloody fantastic value.

[@veracrypt1594]

​@@granthogan6691you still missed out on the Vega64, Vega 56, and the 5600 xt :))

[@jsnotlout3312]

5700XT is a great card.

[@markomarkovic5729]

I stopped playing the vast majority of games in the early 2000s, I think Soldier of Fortune and Half Life were the last ones I played. For years I exclusively played Championship/Football Manager, very fanatically (like any player of those games), as well as Pro Evolution Soccer and NBA 2K, which I played with friends locally. I got back into gaming a few years ago, so I'm only now playing some titles from the mid 2010s and newer.

[@watersMO]

The Witcher 3 was the game that brutally forced me to admit that my APU wasn't up to the task.

[@Mmacaroni50]

I didn't have an APU, but I was using a prebuilt with a 6600k and a GT 710. I upgraded to a 1660s and it was much better.

[@juggernaut316]

That game seems horribly optimized

[@592Johno]

No it isn't. I played that game fine on rx570 4gb with mods for higher texture. Y'all really expect cutting edge games to run on dirt cheap hardware? Be fr.

[@melvoid01]

I had to upgrade to a RX580 8gig to actually beat one boss, couldn't see the mobs otherwise.

[@BuschHemi]

Well worth it im sure. Such a beautiful game, im playing it right now actually on my 6950xt

[@ryancondie283]

Great point about buying quantity over speed when it comes to storage and RAM these days. One thing I regret from my 10600K build was hunting down a WD SN750 1TB because it was one of the fastest drives on PCIe 3, when I could have spent the same amount for a slower 2TB drive.

[@georgestweeter]

8:30 I snagged a new on sale Samsung 980 PRO 2TB w/ heatsink for ~$93, if i recall, about 2 years ago. Their MSRP was like $129 at the time. Now they're like $239

[@jasssedine]

Can you buy another one, for me?

[@Bluejay575]

@@jasssedinecheck Best Buy’s website. They usually have the 980 pro 2 tb for about $109 or $119 in their site but it’s also located based.

[@dafirnz]

Sounds like it's EOL. Just get a 990.

[@gucky4717]

I bought an 8TB Samsung 870 QLC drive for storage for 300€ last year, today it goes for almost 600€. Not because it became more expensive to make them but because all manufactorers decided to raise the prices togather.

[@Jvxino]

I got a 2TB Crucial P3 plus for 80 euros on Amazon, such a steal

[@krunchy3761]

NVME speeds do not matter that much in gaming. They are typically doing random access and not sequential. Even a SATA SSD will likely only be 10-15 seconds behind a gen4 NVME in game loading and less during actual gaming. SATA just isn't as cost efficient as it used to be. You should do a video on this.

[@Taliseth]

yea would be interesting to see a video on that, i'm still running sata SSD's. Barely notice a difference on systems I've build with Gen3/Gen4 SSD's, maybe a few seconds here or there but nothing really major, not even texture loading (then again I have OS and Games on separate SSDs) That said NVMe PCI SSD's are indeed more cost effective, and saves on the velcro stash in SSF builds that require 3.5" HDDs still.

[@gucky4717]

@@Taliseth There are a few games that use asset streaming (big open worlds games) where a NVME is better. But in most games a good sata is more then enough. HDD are trash for games by todays standards.

[@kevinerbs2778]

Intel's Optane drives have a massively higher random Read & writes than any other drive out there. You're looking a 300mbs to 350mbs for an Optane drive vs 50 to 85mbs from any NVMe SSD drive by comparison.

[@JustSomeGuy009]

​@@kevinerbs2778to bad optane is essentially dead now. Similar to some other older tech that provided storage far closer to DRAM speeds (popular for ZFS ZIL storage even back when Sun Microsystems existed).

[@qbgabe12]

yeah i recently bought a Samsung 4TB gen 4 nvme to put all my games on it, frankly, not much different than running on my previous 2TB sata ssd. That said, consider the price is identical for 4TB on nvme and sata, i chose nvme this time..

[@79kirch]

I am being pushed toward an upgrade rn. Currently running a R7 5700x, RX 5700xt, 16gb DDR4, on a PCIE 3.0 NVME SSD, and a SATA SSD. Just got into flight sims and I have to run everything on ultra low settings and use a page file so my PC doesn’t crash due to system memory shortage. Gonna start the upgrades with hopefully a 5xxx or 9xxx series GPU in the upcoming months and then switch to a platform to provide an upgrade path into DDR5 and more “future proof” support.

[@ChrissonatorOFL]

Probably not, but with the current prices of newer GPUs and the power they guzzle up, it's hard to do so. lol

[@ctieco3549]

Yup.. I was planning on buying a 5080 when it came out but seeing how it has the exact same amount of VRAM for an extra hundred bucks is insane💀 at this point ima just switch to AMD cause wow that or I’ll stick to my 3060 for now till these GPU get better

[@FlockersDesign]

As a developer with 14 years of experience in Unreal Engine, specializing as an Environment and Lighting Artist, I can confidently say that the claim that an RT card is required to use Global Illumination is completely false. While GI can utilize ray tracing, it doesn't demand that players have an RTX-capable card to function.

[@abhi-_-]

What causes random stutters in unreal engine games?

[@albinoalpaca1059]

I think it was clear that it's not required but the devs decided to "try something new" and render using RT resources. Imo, like re-inventing the wheel as an experiment but it got shipped to the final product. Also I'm curious if this method is ever more efficient than the traditional way of global illumination

[@bassassin2695]

Is it possible these developers are getting subsides from the GPU manufacturers to put these "requirements" in their description of "requirements"?

[@Omarock]

@@bassassin2695 They 100% do. Why you think Nvidia (#3 richest company in the world) gimping out on Vram except for the xx90 line and suddenly new games are easily maxing out 16gb vram. Don't have the "required" vram? Enjoy your 10fps peasant!

[@agustintrivino9365]

I remember reading somewhere that Sonic Generations uses GI for it's levels, on a bloody 360

[@Yue_Walker]

As someone who just upgraded I am really happy with this video, because it shows I did my reasearch correctly. The game that made me upgrade was FFXVI, and with Square Enix's history in terms of ports I knew I would need more than my 2019 laptop with a 2060 and no SSD. I now have a 4070 TI Super with the 7 9700X and 32GB of RAM and I am extremely happy with the results.

[@burnthepalaces8041]

To answer your final question, Borderlands 3. I had just built my system , (gtx 1060 3gb (yes i was a rookie at one point), 8gb ram, and ryzen 3 2200g(long story on how i ended up with this but it all worked out in the end)) and it wasnt running well at all on low settings. So i did a lot of research and upgraded and now that i have a 4080 and 5800x3d, id say i came a long way and now its gonna be a while before i am forced to upgrade

[@jonyjo3622]

Did you keep your mobo?

[@jimdob6528]

You upgraded your pc for the worst borderlands game… I’m sorry.

[@ramiking745]

​@@jimdob6528 Its story was bad, but it had pretty good gameplay.

[@mphillips2110]

The Witcher 4 might have something to say about that

[@bradhaines3142]

@@jimdob6528 worst story, but gameplay 1 is really the worst. and story in 1 wasnt bad but wasnt amazing either. and unlike 2 the graphics of 1 have not aged well at all

[@joes.3083]

Just upgraded to a 5700X3D. WOOO! I'm good for a while.

[@rodolfoalvarez3287]

what are you using for a cpu cooler planning on upgrading to one too

[@Nems271]

​@@rodolfoalvarez3287I upgraded to a 5800x3d last December coming from a 5600x. I had the cooler master hyper 212 with two fans. It was perfect for the 5600. This year was really hot, we were going up to 34c (about 93F) and air conditioning is not a thing where I live. The 5800x3d was easily hitting 90c. I bought myself a 3 fan AIO cooler this black Friday. It seems like it's able to run 15 to 20c cooler. I would have gone with a beefier air cooler, but the fins hitting the ram sticks were an issue.

[@SwiverYT]

@@rodolfoalvarez3287Any ID-COOLING CPU cooler, I sell pre-builts and have had great success with them!

[@CCitis]

I just got mine. Running it for a couple weeks. Really nice.

[@CCitis]

@@rodolfoalvarez3287 I am running the Thermalright phantom spirit 120 evo. Probably overkill, but it is running at 52-55 during gaming.... so that is pretty sweet.

[@BessotenJenny]

First and only absolutely necessary upgrade was from a GTS-250 to GTX-660Ti in 2011 because of Battlefield 3. Ever since then I've done a pretty good job of staying ahead of my upgrades. Just moved up to a 7800XT from a 2070 Super this past month as well as going from 16 to 32 gigs of RAM.

[@WireHedd]

LOL'd at the Doom III system requirements zoom. I built a gaming LAN system for a colleagues hobby shop based on EXACTLY that spec list. 12 PCs and all running Windows 98. Makes me shudder. HA!

[@Ztaal3]

Them good ol days. My old 1080ti was such a trooper for so long, thankfully got a good deal on a 3080 in the last minig crash :D

[@batsonelectronics]

wolf 3d on a tandy 2500, it was rough, On a custom AMD 386/40 with S3 card, the best thing ever. I beat that game 50 times, found every hidden area. Doom/Quake,/UT were the bomb back then.

[@freerangehuman1976]

Still rocking a 2080ti and i9 9900k for five years now.

[@Kaladin-RTX]

Same here 😊 although mine is 2080 with the 9900K but I'm upgrading in the new year to an AMD CPU and the new 5000 series. However most likely a 5070 or 5070ti. I have always bought into the 80 series gen but not this time. I remember when the 2080 launched and that was borderline too expensive but now that pricing is a pipe dream 😢

[@eagle20g]

9900k and a 3090ti, my case needs an upgrade tho lmao

[@freerangehuman1976]

@@Kaladin-RTX what AMD cpu are going to use?

[@johnmccarty1650]

Ditto 2080 Super and i9900k with some nasty clocks

[@Kaladin-RTX]

@@freerangehuman1976 my plan is a 9800x3d so I don't need to worry about the CPU for hopefully as long as i got away with the 9900k. I will pair it with the Rog Strix B650e-e variant as looks to be the best bang for buck for my needs. Currently I'm custom water cooled hardline but as I won't be water cooling the gpu this time around having a custom loop in place for the CPU seems ridiculous so I will use Artic 3 AIO 360 as that has been given a great write up from Gamers Nexus. Plus 32 GB DDR5 6000

[@re_nforce]

18:10 PSA: I didn't do this and it ran fine for about 4 months but then my PC would just shut itself off every once in a while. Returned both 2x8gb sticks and bought one 2x16gb set and its worked fine ever since. Despite being 110% identical down to every last spec, it still happened.

[@sheridan9112]

8700k 1070 combo still has many more years of age of empires left in it ✊️

[@jayweb702]

Anyone in Particular? i play 3 Definitive the most

[@Omega_Mark]

@@jayweb702 2 is more popular with the updated graphics.

[@eagle20g]

My youngest is 8600k n a 2060

[@Dashcam-Media]

used to run the 8700k 1080 combo, an absolute beast when it came to 1080p gaming at high settings. Then i switched to a 1440p monitor which made me upgrade to a 14700k 4080 super

[@anr1593]

Skyrim 2011: 1st Build GTA V 2015 : Upgraded from a 1GB to GTX 960Super 2GB Kingdom Come Deliverance 2019 : New build in prep for CP2077 to RTX 2070 KCD 2 will probably force me to make some improvements. Thanks Jay

[@cameronkoehn2093]

I did the same for cp2077 with the 2070 super thinking I was going to be playing at nearly maxed out settings on 1440p and boy was I wrong

[@UM_88-s2c]

​@@cameronkoehn2093you need 4080 super to play at 1440p max settings (RT ultra, forgot path tracing)

[@DC-te1gw]

2020: LGA775 Intel X5460 CPU, STRIX RX470 GPU, 16GB DDR3, 256GB SSD. 14TB HDD's. Had to upgrade to play any new games like Horizon Zero Dawn or Cyberpunk 2077. I took care of that PC for a decade. Now my nephew takes care of it

[@MinistryOfMagic_DoM]

Last game forcing me to upgrade was Battlefield 2 back in the early 2000s when I had to get a discrete graphics card. After that I always just built my PC using the x70 or x80 series from Nvidia, and now the x950 or x900 series from AMD GPUs and a processor that can handle just about anything paired with about double the recommended RAM for the time frame. The last piece of software that really forced me to upgrade was Blender when I wanted to upgrade from DDR3 RAM and a 4960K processor that would lock up and have long render times to a work station CPU and 2080 GPU. I'm still using that same computer, the only major change other than cooling systems I've made over the years is the new GPU I bought recently. The rest of the system is still solid. I didn't get the GPU because of any specific thing, I just wanted the VRAM on a 7900xtx for some projects I'm working on that use GPU acceleration and more VRAM is better. The beauty of using a workstation processor 6 years ago when I built my PC is that I still don't have a major bottleneck when going to this newer GPU that is ~3-4 generations newer than when I built the whole system. My next PC will likely use whatever consumer grade work station CPU I can get my hands on, 128 GB of DDR5 RAM at the fastest speed a quad channel board for that CPU can handle, and this same GPU I just bought. I'll even recycle the cooling system and just buy a new CPU block for the system and keep using the same pump/reservoir and radiators only doing maintenance on them since they still work. The oldest thing I have in my computer is mass storage being on spinning disks even though I now have a lot of SSDs attached that do most of the data storage. I'll probably get rid of those in the next build and go to SATA SSDs as the primary "slow" storage and large capacity NVMe drives as the primary boot, working data, and highly accessed drives. Building a PC this way does cause the whole system to cost a lot more upfront, but the longevity so far has outweighed the cost of building multiple "gaming" desktops while still letting me play games and do work on the same PC.

[@bjarnis]

They would have sold so many more games if they had an option to not install high res texture packs and so on.

[@MeatbagSlayerHK47]

I don’t understand why this isn’t a feature, especially on Steam. Blizzard’s launcher has this option for Diablo IV and it cuts the download size almost in half by unselecting 4k textures…

[@Takintomori]

​@@MeatbagSlayerHK47it used to be the standard. Neckbeards screamed about wanting insane resolutions to be supported, so it's much easier to just make 4k textures and use the game to downscale, regardless of the clarity loss.

[@MeatbagSlayerHK47]

@@Takintomori damn. I didn’t know that

[@imo098765]

Indiana Jones is a 75GB install without hi-res texture pack which most people cant use with the VRAM limits

[@bjarnis]

​@@Takintomoriyeah, that's true. Many of us simply don't care about "pretty graphics", just want high framerate and smooth gameplay and not worry about running out of VRAM. GOW5 and Indiana Jones are 2 of the games that have this option and still look ok and run very well.

[@AlejandroCaicedoPUJ]

Funnily enough marvel rivals was the one that pushed me to replace my gaming laptop. It wasn't that fun to play at 40fps with my fans maxed out like they're gonna take off.

[@deanderlp6892]

I used to have an AMD FX 8350 a long time ago and a Nvidia 730. It was my first own PC and when Minecraft 1.6 dropped, I couldn't play it anymore due to the higher required performance. This was the first and last time I let increasing Hardware requirements hinder me to play games. I'm now upgrading my PC every three years and I'm having fun specing out and building PCs

[@ZecsMarquis]

I had the 8150! lol

[@Starfang9922]

I remember when I also had that exact CPU, I had a 1050TI paired with it, but still. That fucker ran HOT.

[@monsenanna13]

Was running that chip till about 4 years ago, a great chip.

[@k3n179]

Im really really really really worried about my 7th gen celeron running stuff on 4k

[@mastroitek]

Last game that forced me to upgrade was Watch Dogs Legion. I was running a gtx1070, i7 7700k and 8gb of ram. Experienced massive (1-4s stutters), upgraded to 16gb and it was then playable, later on after a CPU upgrade it became a good experience. I really needed that ram upgrade

[@WayStedYou]

0:30 When will we see the Steve and Jay video?

[@kennethd4958]

That iFixIt ad gives me PTSD of the pandemic and how hard it was to get PC parts.

[@gelul12]

Because its easier now ?

[@jenrosejenrose7417]

@@gelul12 flashbacks

[@UndercoverPirate69]

Luckily it's only Post traumatic Stress Denial instead of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. That's way worse

[@shredderorokusaki3013]

@@UndercoverPirate69 YES MINE PC that iupgeade each 2 or 3 years sicne 2001 when idfd my ifrstu pgrade stil runs all games maxed 1440p 60 fps I play all action ames nd most fighters But in games who have ray tracing i use FSR to run them with max graphics and max ray tracin 1440p 60 fps while those who dont have ray tracing dont nned it as it still runs them maxed 1440p 60 fps without fsr. MINE MONSTER PC RYZEN 7 1700 RX 6700XT 12 GB RED DEVIL 16 GB DDR4 3200MHZCL15 MP 600 2TB WRITE:4950MB/S READ:4250MB/S DELLP2416D 24'' 2560X1440 06HZ IPS for my next upgrade i think either new cpu ram and motherboard becausei have them since 2017 or a rtx 5080 or rx 9700xt form ax graphics and max ray tracing 60 fps without fsr and change cpu ram and motherboard letter. i must think and decide!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@Lovemycbx]

I've finally hit the "time to upgrade" wall. I've been running a silicon lottery 4930k clocked at 4.5 ghz for 10 years. Sounds insane but it's 6 core 12 thread and with a new GPU every 2nd generation, has still been pushing AAA games at 5140x1440 well above 100fps. With the 9950x3d around the corner, I'm ready to upgrade. Now it's just the fight to get a hold of one on release.

[@Fleepage]

A game that forced me to upgrade: Escape From Tarkov. Was running a 3070TI w/ 8gb vram. Paired with AIO cooled 12700K, 32GB DDR5 Corsair Dominator Ram. Trying to run high textures and was running into vram limits. Ended up buying my first AMD card on sale at Best buy: XFX Merc 319 7800XT 16GB along with upgrading my monitor to Samsung 1440p. And have been really impressed with the performance uplift. WAY more FPS than the 3070ti at higher resolution/Ultra settings in all games. Won't be buying NVIDIA anymore after seeing price/performance AMD provides.

[@feldschlosschen1353]

Nvidia shipping all those 3000 and 4000 with hardly any vram always looked like a backward step to me sitting here with 10gb of vram on a 2080ti laughing at 3070ti with 8gb

[@mitsuhh]

@@feldschlosschen1353 2080 ti had 11gb

[@darkranger276]

you got 32 gb of ram but do you actually know the truth. that corsair do not make rams they buy them an put plastic frame and light and sell it way too expensive. And for the gpu you could of went with the 4070 super i know a firend playing tarkov with itn and it's good with great fps and rendering, and his card runs cold compared toamd ones wich runs a bit hotter and are less efficient

[@jwcatalano3867]

Tarkov is the main reason I’m upgrading right now 30708gb- 7900xtx 20gb. Along with going to am5 socket. Looking forward to the gains

[@Dalthorsan]

I think it was Quake back in the day that forced me to upgrade. That was a beast but ever since then i've kept my system pretty up to date for anything coming out. Keeping an ear to the ground.

[@S0UV3N1RS]

I am a MMO gamer. Finally upgraded my R5 1600 to. R7 5700X3D. Everything else is more or less the same just upgraded ram from 16 -> 32. Added NVME and new face lift (case) because I love building. Still rocking a 1070 because still debating what gpu to go for.

[@Endar92]

That's a hell of a CPU jump, night and day :D AM4 for the win! For the GPU, I had a 1080 and a 1080 Ti. Last time, I bought a used 6700 XT and for 98% of the time, I don't see and negative experiences compared to nVidia so I can easily recommend you to look into it. I would probably recommend you to buy used 6800 XT or a new 7700Xt if you have the PSU capacity. One extra tip: DON'T buy XFX branded cards, they always suck somehow..

[@nikolasovtic8312]

​@@Endar92 I got an XFX RX 7900 GRE and it's rock solid. The temps are fantastic...

[@Endar92]

@ Back in the day, my XFX 7600 GT slowdy died, I had to granually lower the clocks. 15 years later, I bough an XFX 6700, it was crashing in most of the games. I returned it and bought an XFX 6800, It was coil whining so loud, I coul even hear it in my headphones. I returned it. I bougth a "high" quality Sapphire Nitro + 6700 XT and it is stable as a rock and doesn't have coil whine.. So 3 out of 3 XFX products was faulty for me. But it might be my bad luck and it is great for you.

[@nikolasovtic8312]

@@Endar92 Yeah that could be the case, either way you got a great card :D

[@heroinfather990]

I’m using a r7 5700x3d, rx 7800xt with 32gb 3600mhz cl16 ddr4, so far it’s great but i only just brought the gpu so still need to test it out more

[@dark666razor]

dude thats weird, i have a 3060 and that exact setup (edit:nvm i have a 5800x3d), guess what i ordered yesterday... a 7800xt XD Im only upgrading because i kinda need it for simracing in vr and i wonder how it fares.

[@americasace]

This is a conversation that had to be discussed. Thanks for addressing most of the demands on the system for newer games. Also, another topic that I would love to see is games forgoing optimization, at least at launch, requiring a beefier system, that, later down the road, isn't even needed anymore for the same game.

[@framosk]

Agreed with all Jay said, but for me the best time to upgrade is at the same time a new PS ou Xbox is launched (not counting the PRO models), because this way I know that for a generation I can run everything, I just have to purchase similar hardware at the same level as the console.

[@koslegoman]

Really it's half a gen now. 3yrs max of "safety"

[@crankitup1030]

Playing Indy right now. 3060, 32gb, Rizen 5 on ultra at 1440p and just dips under 60 FPS at times. Loving it. For the type of game it is, it suites me just fine! last time I needed to upgrade a rig to run a game was for The Saboteur. Did not regret it!!

[@JohnmillerPowerlifting]

memory, memory and more memory. this is why I am trying to get my son the AMD 7900xt or GRE. the money value per GB of memory is great right now. hoping the 8800XT makes that value even better in January

[@dark666razor]

Its gonna be called the 90xx series and it will take the naming convention of nvidia, so it will me a 9080xt or something. Im still hoping ai can save a lot of old hardware in the future.

[@fumziemusic]

​​@@dark666razor even if they can they probably won't, they cant make it too good because it would hurt sales of the new lineup each new year. That's sad but it's the consumistic society we live in

[@dark666razor]

@@fumziemusic Im talking about software progress which can be besides them. All it takes is someone to come up with a ai renderer.

[@novapreem6650]

Cyberpunk 2077 forced me to upgrade from a 1660 Super to a 2070 Super months before the game's release. Happy that it enabled me to play games on 1440p for the first time.

[@SoulQuack]

@novapreem6650 Acting like that’s a big difference both are still trash💀🚬 I went from a 3080ti to a 4090

[@ahmedhamm5464]

@@SoulQuack you are just flexing, the 3080ti wasnt even out when cyberpunk came out i upgraded to a 3080 mid playthrough because the 3080 came out a couple months after the game

[@Defi4nc3s1]

Last time I've upgraded must be near the end of 2022. I've upgraded from AMD fx (8350); 8 GB ram ;Nvidia 1050Ti; 2 TB HDD to a Ryzen 5 5500; 32 ram Nvidia 1650; 8 TB HDD; 2 TB SSD. I was primary playing Warcraft 3; but the games that gave the final push up were : Diablo 3; Tera Online; Honkai Impact 3rd ; Genshin Impact Probably gonna look to upgrade Ram CPU and GPU and Mobo again next year.

[@BigDrewski1000]

I'm gonna come right out and say it: we shouldn't have completely upgrade our systems, especially if you like me and have hardware not even 5 years old, just to play a new game, that is already overpriced, at 100+ fps. Dev studios should actually do their jobs and finish their games by actually optimizing them, instead of putting out a half finished product! This crap is on par with the b.s. Microsoft pulled when Windows 11 got released!

[@Warbob11]

Exactly people don't get that this isn't a turning point of the past. Most games nowadays are shiny new coat of paint over a non optimized bug ridden mess that could run on lower hardware but the companies are so lazy they are cookie cutting them out and people are getting tired of it. Forcing RT seems like a pay off by ScamVidia before the push of their next gen GPUs and this will lead to more laziness in the gaming companies we've been dealing with.

[@BigDrewski1000]

@Warbob11 Exactly, it's nonsense!

[@Dempig]

@@BigDrewski1000 5 year old hardware is ancient. Thats not developers fault. Games should not be dumbed down and forced to be low quality because a few people refuse to upgrade their potatos.

[@BigDrewski1000]

@Dempig Tell me you don't know how to read without actually telling me you don't know how to read. I said, and I quote, "not even 5 years old". And again, I said "optimized" the words dumbed down were never so much as typed out. And YES, games absolutely should be completed and optimized before they're put out because gaming is for EVERYONE, not the elitist douchebags with 4080s or 4090s who just LOVE to tell everyone else how old their hardware is (for the record Ii have a R7 3700X, RTX 2080s, and 32gb of 3600mhz ram, HARDLY weak PC) and yet devs lately put out poorly optimized, big ridden garbage.

[@Dempig]

@@BigDrewski1000 Your pc is potato tier, deal with it. Has nothing to do with "poor optimization", and everything to do with poor hardware. The 2080s was released in 2019, thats basically a 6 year old gpu. Same with your CPU. Why should devs waste time developing a new game to run on 6 year old hardware? People like you dont even buy games.

[@kaliban2747]

I want to play the new Indiana Jones on my Spectrum and the fact i can't means the developers are lazy and hate me personally

[@dannygreeng0szi450]

They're lining up like a grim reapers waiting for you lol

[@LorneShiaman-mo5dv]

Not completed following Jay's rules as I didn't upgrade, but the upgrade of witcher 3 ray tracing brought my 3080 FTW3 EVGA 5800x build to 40 FPS on Max and it still makes we want to cry...I'm still rocking that system though!

[@Kbyte27]

Apart from FF7 Rebirth PC next year, I got nothing else.

[@pockether]

Not even doom

[@Kbyte27]

@pockether Nope.

[@jatan7606]

Xeon x5690, ddr3, gtx 950 and a 1280X1024 monitor.....minesweeper still runs just fine why upgrade!

[@Pasi123]

I was running a X5670 @ 4.4GHz, 24GB DDR3 1600MHz, GTX 1080 as my main PC up to last year. It did fine in the games I play

[@danielthekidd1460]

I built my computer during Covid. I put in a ryzen 3, 32gb of 3200mhz ram and a 1660TI Super and M.2 and a few SSD’s. I finally upgraded the CPU to a ryzen 7 5700x. My old cpu was extremely good at everything but games. Now I can run FS25 and that.

[@DXcellence718Returns]

Ive been rocking a 5950x(pbo enabled +curve optimizer) and 7900xt for a bit. Dont plan on upgrading for a while

[@PixelShade]

To be honest, were at a place in time where there are SO MANY great games to play, that you don't need the latest tech to enjoy gaming anymore... I think it's fine NOT to be able to play EVERY game due to hardware feature constraints. RT-cards have been on shelves for 5-6 years by now (That's a whole console generation back in the days), and this is literally the first time that games start to require those feature sets. Personally I think that's okay, consumers have been given a 5 year transitional period to new tech... With that being said, I kind of hate how games look these days; Unreal Engine in particular, with its noisy fx pipeline, forcing game developers to rely on soft and smeary temporal AA (or upscalers) to clean up a less-than-stellar-rendering. Compare that to Source2 which is super clean image properties, has great pre-rendered RT global illumination, fantastic material qualities, reflections and water rendering using normal rasterization... Personally I would want to see more games made in that engine instead of UE5. 🤷

[@killer01ws6]

You make a very good point for those that don't have the monster systems today.. GOG and Steam winter sale has a TON of CHEAP and much lower spec games that are VERY good game and you will enjoy for a long time, then when you build next mid system, Monster rig games of today, that mid tier system will handle them just fine.

[@ahmedhamm5464]

and not to mention games on unreal feel so unresponsive like im playing underwater

[@WebstersYouTube]

I last upgraded around three years ago. The PC I was replacing was around seven or eight years old at that point. I got an RTX 3070 8GB GPU, 32GB of DDR4 at 3200MHz, a 1TB WD Black SN850 NVMe as my primary drive and then transplanted my old Samsung QVO 2TB SSD as my secondary. I want to get a few more years out of this PC as yet, but I can't deny that, in those three years, DDR5 RAM came along offering higher capacities and faster speeds, NVMes got considerably cheaper, and not only has the RTX 40 series released, the 50 series is about to come out. It kind of feels like I put my money down and upgraded at the wrong time, the end of one generation and the start of the next, so my rig was very quickly outpaced.

[@bloodstone30]

I remember when Doom 3 came out and everyone had to upgrade their GPUs

[@shammy8703]

I upgraded from a voodoo 3 3000 to geforce 6800 ultra... the days haha

[@LIlFro-]

​@@shammy8703damn unc i wasnt even born yet

[@intermilan9731]

The visual improvement in those days were day and night difference. Not these days. Little visual improvement with top tier hardware change to support that little improvement. Even then, games full of performance issues that takes over a year of patching.

[@Milennin]

@@intermilan9731 Back then, upgrading a PC to something better felt like it made a difference. Nowadays, modern games barely look any better than stuff that came out 10 years ago, if any at all. Looking at footage of the new Indiana Jones game, and I think it looks pretty mediocre in terms of visuals. Why would anyone want to upgrade to play a game that looks and plays aggressively average in every respect?

[@nyxionn]

I'll be honest, I don't care because games these days suuuuck.

[@Claudethechiefsfan]

No they don’t lol

[@schmockooo2794]

Indiana jones is really boring, ofc people have preferences but tbh just watch the movie, the riddles are really easy and the story is mid

[@innocentbystander3317]

@@Claudethechiefsfan Found the one guy that legitimately bought and enjoyed _Concord!_ 🤣

[@Yakobito]

Lots of good games coming out these days. You’re just not looking.

[@Yakobito]

⁠@@innocentbystander3317imagine thinking concord is the only game.

[@cordes85]

i been thinking of getting a 5070, but Jayz recommendation of the 7900 GRE might make more sense.

[@baze30]

The opposite of that last question is... what about the games I can't plan anymore because I've upgraded. Yeah the old games...I'm nearly going to buy old computer parts to do just that. Doom, 3D Wolf, Ceasar, Settlers and the original GTA on PC.

[@ffwast]

Do it!

[@Boatfisherz1]

Crysis....oh the glory days with the 8800GTX and Ultra. Everyone says the 1080ti was epic, but they forgot the 8800GTX 🤤

[@ChrisMcFarlane3]

I think its the age group watching these videos. They never got to experience the days of the 8800 cards. They were such a jump forward. It was a great time to be PC gaming.

[@veraxis9961]

As a fellow 8800 GTX owner, I agree. That said, I think the 1080 Ti's own good reputation is well-deserved, too.

[@DaKrawnik]

and the 8800GT

[@Vegaswhiteviper]

Crysis was the game I remember needing to upgrade. It set the bar going forward for most my upgrades

[@christopherdean2576]

Swallowed the bs and bought an alienswear pc back in the day with 2 x 8800gtx in sli, intel qx6850 extreme processor specifically for Crysis ...... it ran the loading screen at about 5fps .......... they continue spout style over substance to this day !!

[@rotissary4331]

Recently upgraded my 3060 Ti to 4070 ti super. The decision to upgrade was a combination of games needing more power and speculation of upcoming economic changes. My 1440p VA monitor was ok, but I really wanted to play cyberpunk and Alan Wake 2 on my 4k TV in my living room, which is 120hz. The 3060 Ti cannot sustain 4k output even on DLSS performance with anything but low settings. With the 4070 ti super I could play Alan Wake 2, 4k dlss performance with all raster settings maxed, medium Path Tracing. It was glorious

[@bryanpotter8128]

Still running 4790k, 16gb ddr3, gtx 1080 ti and 2.5" sata ssd. Probably time for an upgrade 🤣

[@coachaub377]

I still have my 4790k, as a backup pc. It kicked so much a$$ in its day! It can still run most games.

[@popothecatathome]

yeah i have a 4770k still. but today i ordered a new cpu mobo setup because path of exile 2 is the first game where 4770k is noticeably tarnishing my framerate. will have to retire a legend.

[@DerangedLimee]

I just made a whole new PC which cost me like $3k CAD. I’m running a 7800X3D with a 4070 SUPER, 32gb of RAM and just by watching this video and seeing requirements of some of these games is making me think my system is going to be awful within the next year and struggling with some games lol

[@Squidgy55]

You'll be fine.

[@AlenDelon-x6i]

No it wont. Your system is very good. You will be fine.

[@ahmedhamm5464]

you have a right to think that way i went all out in 2020 and bought a i9 10900k and 3080 and tbh it already feels way out of date after just one gen

[@DerangedLimee]

@@ahmedhamm5464 an awful feeling man… how is your system running right now after 4 years? With some of these games?

[@DerangedLimee]

@ thanks man, appreciate the confirmation! Some of these videos make you overthink haha

[@TheWhiteBamba]

I upgraded my MSI RX 580 Armor OC to a new XFX RX 7600 XT, since I knew modern games in the future would require such a card (including FF XVI which didn't run with my MSI card). That, and the fact that I wanted to actually upgrade the quality ingame to Ultra settings, which was something I couldn't really do before. But, I get to finally do that now. As for the 32GB, I knew that at some point it would become the norm, which is why I got 32GB early.

[@jonprall]

Requiring RT for a game is ridiculous, even in this global illumination farce. I worked at a company where Intel paid us tens of millions of dollars to create a web experience that would push people to upgrade their CPU. It was dumb. That was over 20 years ago.

[@imo098765]

imagine asking for users not to run an 8 year old graphics card. The horror, thats longest console generation

[@terpfen]

Mandatory RT support on PC GPUs became inevitable with the 9th console gen shipped with RT support.

[@derpsterPRO]

I for years already believed that at some point they would go that route, though i wasnt expecting it untill at least 2026. I think for those with a 1000 series nvidia, you would have to upgrade already at this point even without raytracing for other reasons, though i feel bad for those that bought a 1660 super and have a card on the wip of not being supported:c

[@electricnick260]

In my opinion, games that require RT hardware for engine based things that aren't RT are actually a good thing. We've been getting products pushed at us for a few years now with features that we almost never actually use. RT cores on most people's graphics cards have probably laid dormant since the day the card was first installed. There's still a ton of games that don't utilize the hardware at all. If the new Indiana Jones game and other games that follow are utilizing those RT cores to render the game more efficiently, thus having significantly better performance, then that is overall a good thing. If anything, *developers* should be pushing AMD, Nvidia, and Intel to include RT cores in ALL GPUs going forward, even iGPUs. This should be something used to put pressure on the manufacturers to make the hardware more widely available, rather than making people angry because they're being forced into unreasonably priced components.

[@elk3407]

Exactly! We should be using RT cores and mesh shaders on all games. Sure it locks out older cards, but anyone with cards that support them (pretty much everything that came out in the past 5-6 years) will get better performance

[@ambientlightofdarknesss4245]

​@@elk3407agreed. Making RT a STANDARD instead of it being an option you tick if you paid premium will only benefit consumers. It's how all brand new graphics tech worked. The last "RT" crazy was tesselation. And every dev implemented that into their game it became standard, and most gamers probably don't even know what Tesselation means!

[@BlanckOne]

I 100% agree on this take. Of course you'll always have people mad bc "My 7 year old hardware can't run the newest games" but this is how industries grow and evolve. Those RT cores should be used to do something more than pretty reflections that I can turn off.

[@electricnick260]

@@BlanckOne what makes it funny to me is that I'm personally one of the people locked out of playing games like this because my only working PC is a laptop with a Pentium n4200. But I would honestly rather be told by a developer "without this specific hardware in your PC, this game will not work correctly so we're not gonna ruin your experience by letting your stupid ass download it anyway," than to be given the chance to download a game thinking "oh I can just drop it to minimum settings, maybe mod some textures, and it'll work just fine," only to be sorely disappointed. I'll eventually upgrade to a better PC, and when I do, I'd like the games I play to actually take advantage of ALL of the hardware in it. I'd like to see the same thing happen with all of these "AI cores" Intel and Qualcomm keep pushing in their mobile processors. Make those cores actually do something useful to make the device run smoother, rather than giving me useless gimmicks I might look at twice and then disable for the rest of the device's lifetime.

[@BlanckOne]

@@electricnick260 I mean, I totally get you, I upgraded this year from a 1650 to a 4080 Super, and tbh I'm 100% on your side of "if I can't play it properly, don't let me download it in the first place". But yeah, in general, I also hope more developers do this kinds of stuff of "I'm using the whole goddamn thing, AI and RT cores included".

[@Str4yshot]

I built a system a little over a year ago, and I would say 32 has been the way to go for at least a couple of years for a new system. My last build had 16 and I was hitting the limit more often towards the end of my use of that system.

[@a92gsxdsm]

Yeah idc about AAA or esports games.

[@ArmchairMagpie]

Oh, I remember discussions when people told me that this 3D thing was a fad. Something that is absolutely not going to be important in any future at all.

[@Rythm101]

I would actually eat my words if the same happened with rtx

[@RX57O]

The last game that truly pushed me to upgrade my PC was Cyberpunk 2077. I bought it a couple of months after release, but on my setup at the time (RX 574 + R3 1300X), it ran terribly. So, I upgraded to an R5 2600 + RTX 2070 Super, and added an SSD specifically for games.

[@thebloxxer22]

I typically use an SSD for games I frequently play, and a HDD for ones that I want installed, but infrequently used. Even then, AAA has fallen from grace.

[@Ztaal3]

HDD is only mass storage now, I had to go raid 0 with HDD in my htpc to keep up with the download speed :P

[@Nightstalker3791]

That's what I do but for the Xbox Series S. SSD for multiplayer and co-op games, hard drives for single player games.

[@Brandon-bw4cw]

Truth is a gtx 1080 should be able to run any game at 60fps but developers don't optimize their games.

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

Dude lol that’s an old asss gpu now lmao

[@Brandon-bw4cw]

@TTx04xCOBRA correct. Everything I said still stands. You'd be surprised how much performance you could get out of modern games if they were properly optimized

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

@ IT IS OLD, time to upgrade for the love of God

[@Brandon-bw4cw]

@TTx04xCOBRA i have a 4080.. You're not reading my comment you seem dense

[@TTx04xCOBRA]

@@Brandon-bw4cw I have a 4080 As well but why would you expect a GTX card to run a game that has Ray Tracing required?? Lol

[@maldar]

My last upgrade was due to Shadow of the Tomb Raider. My Toshiba Qosmio from 2010 was stuggling to run it to the point of just freezing on loading. Bought an i7 6800K & EVGA 1070 FTW2 Hybrid, looking to upgrade again as I'm experiencing random freezes that requires me to hit the reset button. I do plan on repasting the GPU & getting phase change pads from LTT for the CPU while I wait for new releases in the coming months. Might even try out Thermal Grizzly's new thermal putty. Love you vids.

[@MUDDASIK]

Wondering if game developers are just getting lazy with programming efficiencies because hardware capabilities are progressing so fast.....

[@deadgum11]

Exactly this

[@Robbie-mw5uu]

not only that, but nvidia and amd keep making power hungry video cards at some point our computers will need their own 20amp GFCI outlets

[@captainheat2314]

Its not game developers its corperate culture meaning any optimization needs to go through 5 people and you can hope they will all say yes to implement it in a week with the strict game deadlines

[@pheelers1831]

The new orcs must die has a 1080 minimum recommendation which is nuts.

[@Cpmnk]

Thats a pretty low end card these days

[@Downsider24]

@@Cpmnk The 1080 would be considered, yes, though the Ti is still quite the beast, for what it is, and especially so for 1080p. Still, we're beyond the poiunt of a 10xx series card, if only prices would match the performance.

[@Yakobito]

Why is it nuts. That card is nearly a decade old.

[@arthurtwa]

Me, with a rtx 2060 playing games from 2 years ago just fine. What force me to upgrade 3 years ago, was Metro 2033. I bought the trilogy back when Exodus came out, and after playing Metro 2033 and Last Light on 720, 30fps in medium with a nvidia 960, Exodus was a whole different beast. I was so frustrated. I could not achieve 20 fps with super low settings. And the loading times were crazy long because I did not have an SSD.