We are changing EVERYTHING!

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

Thanks Steve

[@jcat96]

Thanks, Steve

[@kahrhoshe]

@@jcat96Thanks? Steve.

[@Strigon07]

Thanks intel.

[@the.villan]

Back to you, Steve.

[@Luuthe674]

​@@kahrhoshe Thanks, Steve?

[@douglasmurphy3266]

The district manager is showing up for your inspection

[@Forlong21]

Steve feels a bit more like OSHA coming in to make sure everything's up to snuff.

[@douglasmurphy3266]

@Forlong21 I was more picturing him showing up with a hammer looking for anything with an NZXT logo on it

[@matthewjbauer1990]

@@douglasmurphy3266 Yeah. Jay better hide his test NZXT keyboard if he hasn't already gotten rid of it.

[@xlerb2286]

@@matthewjbauer1990 Is that the NZXT keyboard he got from Newegg? ;)

[@littlebitstrouds]

@@Forlong21 If Steve is OSHA, Buildzoid is the CIA, Louis Rossmann is the FBI.

[@kaidiemulan6061]

Glad to see youtubers helping eachother out

[@christophermullins7163]

These 2 channels are so opposite too. They need some of the other to balance it out. Well.. Steve don't need shit let's be honest. Lol

[@TriPBOOMER]

Jay helps everyone to be fair... He deserves the help when offered, whether he thinks so or not. But yes, its always nice to see KZbinrs helping each other out.

[@ZnakerFIN]

Based on watching GN, Jay, HUB, Paul's Hardware and Greg Salazar, they are pretty much all communicating, more or less, and/or taking ideas from what the others are doing. I'm still waiting to see if Jay will actually start doing what Greg is doing with his Fix or Flop series. Jay talked about it at one point. And said outright that he got the idea from what Greg has been doing.

[@joshschoonover2645]

Steve was also just with lvl1tech, these colabs help everyone

[@NALOW84]

Good to see "people" helping each other

[@PlantainSupernova]

Steve doing a world tour, first Germany for Roman, now back stateside for Jay. A globetrotter, tech Jesus, extra dinner. Thanks 5teve.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

@@PlantainSupernova Moore's law is dead

[@alexanderkrafczyk2298]

Thanks Steve!

[@devilzuser0050]

@@gerogyzurkov2259 Should be Jensen's law is dead.

[@iiioverlord9219]

Shame he wont come to ltt again

[@Kyle496]

​@@iiioverlord9219 Why bother? LTT has shown they're good for little more than infotainment at best. I don't say that to knock LTT, they're just not useful for much aside from entertainment.

[@HentaliaTTV]

So awesome that Steve is coming out to help you, power number is very important to me as european, price of electricity keeps rising, so knowing I can get the same performance for less power is a win I would take for example.

[@Imagine_thaaaat]

Jay thanks for keeping your channel personable- love your passion and the massive impact you have on the industry. Your videos always remind me of the golden era of KZbin I used to enjoy. Thanks for being you and thanks to your team.

[@AlcorSalvador]

Efficiency is very important i feel because it shows how much further the devices can be pushed in the future as the architecture evolves.

[@mirteiwaz]

I think instead of holding hardware benches fixed (which has its own merits, but gamersnexus is already doing that), what actually is more relevant to viewers is to hold the entire system fixed over time. So when new generation of hardware comes out, you build a “typical” low, medium, and high spec system. And over time you test on the most relevant games of the time on all the systems. This way the viewers can know how their N-generation old system will perform on games that may be interesting. This way you can provide well analyzed data, but through a much more user focused lense.

[@jeffgendron1959]

Agreed. All the main review channels have the best hardware to perform testing. I get it, they want no bottle neck to show clear changes in the charts. Still I think there would be more engagement with a mid-range benchmark system. I'll never own a x870 mobo, 9800x3d or 4090. Would be great to see a mid range CPU on a midrange mobo to provide midrange GPU benchmarks. Something more realistic for the majority if viewers.

[@tinlizziedl001]

This would be awesome, honestly. I buy a new pc about every 5 to 7 years or so, but if I knew more about whether a new CPU or GPU was truly a sea-change worthy of $500 or more, I may choose to upgrade that one part instead, while the rest of my rig stayed the same. And yeah, I'll never be able to afford the top-tier luxury items that *all* of these techtubers have, so showing me what a 4090 does on a 9800X3d system means nothing to me.

[@shnoopx1383]

One of the biggest concerns I have, when it comes to new generations of CPUs and GPUs is the Power Draw, compared to the previous Generation. Something like "Yes, the 5090 is 20% faster than the 4090, but the Power Draw is 50% higher." That's not an improvement for me. The B580 is one of that examples. Regardless of the price. The B580 may be up to 20% faster than the RTX 4060, but it draws alot more power, compared to the RTX. What I want to say is, set the GPUs to the same Power Limit and compare them. There are "noise normolized" tests, where the fans speed get's adjusted to have the same noise level. Why does nobody does the same with GPU power draw. Let thes draw the same amount of power and THAN compare them. ^^ Wbr, shnoopx

[@soldat88hun]

One thing to look out for is to not become gamers nexus yourself, it is important to have clearly different and separate reviews.

[@Gregory_Wagner]

He could never become GN lol GN is one of a kind. Often imitated never duplicated.

[@travis8106]

Having accurate data isn't copying another creator lmao

[@Gregory_Wagner]

@ after years of being on YT he’s just now worrying about accurate data. Again he could never become GN.

[@Vanadium]

There are other with accuracy. GN is not alone was not the first one.

[@Gregory_Wagner]

@ that is definitely true. But Jay seems to always follow someone’s trend when his channel starts hurting. Not saying GN is the say all be all but Jay also isn’t the top 5 choice for this information.

[@mrpirate2669]

I feel like Steve already has the super in depth analysis covered and people looking for that will just watch the GN reviews, and HUB have the huge sample size covered as you said, but accurate fps and 1% low numbers are essential, touching on frame pacing would also be really helpful to show how smooth the gameplay experience is, other than that a short explanation about efficiency and power draw in regards to actual draw vs quoted and recommended PSU size for new builders and people upgrading would be probably be enough for the vast majority of people without going into a full energy cost per frame analysis for example. I know you're looking to do more detailed and in depth reviews which I think is fantastic, but from speaking to people I know, I think there is also probably a large portion of your audience that watch your reviews because they're less intimidating than watching a 40 minute GN deepdive, I genuinely hope you can find the sweet spot between a surface level review from LTT and a full deepdive like you would get from GN.

[@Burmn]

I usually watch Jay, HUB and Steve (Thanks Steve) they all do it a little different and the 3 approaches usually keep me as an enthusiast educated and entertained enough

[@JayC133]

I completely agree, I watch Jay for entertaining information as there are many sources to get more in depth information. I skip a lot of the videos now due to extended graphs. Also I understand the need to try and be as thorough as possible to eliminate variances, but unless he has one test bed then every component (despite them being the same model) will have variances.

[@THE-X-Force]

Quality feedback.

[@theq4602]

the more in depth analysis the better because then people can keep one another in check

[@Nickayz2]

Who is HUB? Seems I don't know them yet.

[@TheRealHeavyG]

I miss water cooling builds. I enjoy hearing how you problem solve things with your loops. Hope you do more complex custom loops.

[@kojimachado8376]

YES!!!!! THIS!!!! Please more custom loops

[@SilverTwinFTW]

To get your games that you run the test rigs through you should just do the top 10-15 games each month on Steam. Because that will be a true representation of what most people are playing at any given point in time. Looking forward to the new content Jay!

[@murrys5444]

I'm wondering why you haven't used those massive water towers you got from Singularity Computers. Setting up all the test benches on the wall shared with the workshop, piping the CPU's through the wall and back, would eliminate a lot of heat being dumped into the testing area, and you would have way more cooling capacity than any of those CPU's could reach. I am also surprised that said Singularity Computers hasn't done something similar to the PMD with their PowerBoards. If they haven't, a collaboration with Elmore's Lab seems like it would be a natural next step.

[@Dan-Simms]

Power is very important to me b/c my roommate and my bedrooms are on the same circuit, and in the summer when we both have our rooms AC going and are both gaming at the same time it can trip the breaker. So unless we start using extension cords, our systems can't each pull more than a few hundred watts.

[@ravenfeeder1892]

Power draw is important to me for sizing PSU requirements on a budget. Appreciate you doing work on it.

[@psaunier10]

I find it so incredible to watch the tech heavy hitters come together to refine their craft and push each other in such a positive way. We are in for some amazing content. Cant wait. Also Jay you are looking fantastic and I’m really proud of you for the progress you’ve made with your health. Keep up the good work!

[@donalddarbonne779]

As a truck driver playing off of inverter power, efficiency and heat is important. Very important!

[@mrdwilkster]

Dude this sounds super interesting. It’s awesome you are making that work for yourself. Do you have a typical rig or are you on a laptop of some kind?

[@Dawelio]

Not just in your use case, but thinking that the people who are doing the van life out there might hugely benefit from this as well.

[@Sandriell]

@@Dawelio As someone who has expensive electricity, I am very interested in "cost to operate" as well.

[@Kenny.J84]

I too am running off my trucks inverter. I have to actually keep the truck idling in order to supply the inverter with enough volts to make enough usable power, or else the trucks 4 batteries will drain fairly quickly. But I also have a mini fridge as well as the 43" tv and the laptop connected to the inverter. I unplug the microwave and anything else that's not required for gaming. As far as cost efficiency, if you factor in the nearly 1 gal of diesel per hour @ $3.89 or so per gal.... it can add up lol

[@icanrunat3200mhz]

That Falcon sponsorship hits me right in the feels. I still have my family’s first home computer, an absolute _unit_ of a 1998 Falcon Mach V with a 450mhz PII, Voodoo 3000 graphics, and Diamond Monster MX300 sound.

[@Jenan_Tahnik]

Jay... Please don't go too far to the uber-technical, please... The reason I follow you instead of Steve or Linus is you're the "Everyman' in this space. Please don't lose that.

[@Aative]

I agree. I think a good compromise is to record all this data so that its there, and then break it down into the most important aspects (bird's eye performance metrics, weird power draw or other quirks that the buyer should be aware of).

[@Genesis8934]

I just hope all these tech-tubers can verify (or refute!) each others' claims to keep each other honest.

[@pezcore350]

He has said multiple times he doesn’t want to go that way with his channel.

[@agmos01]

Exactly, I don't understand this "fascination" that some have for the guy. I'm technical and have no problem deep diving into stuff, but the #1 reason I don't watch GN videos is because every single suggestion that's come up on my feed to date seems to be about that channel bashing something - not saying that is *ALL* they do, but mostly? Anyways, just my .02. I've always liked this channel's format.

[@travis8106]

I see a lot of people reacting negatively and it makes zero sense to me. Benchmarking has always been a part of his channel, and having the means to give more accurate data is not a creative decision. It only benefits the audience.

[@thelespauldude3283]

Changes gonna be so big youtube even translated the title to my language😂

[@rruizdsgn]

Pro meu tambem kkkk

[@philipmrch8326]

That shit is so annoying

[@BoogieWoogieCat]

@@philipmrch8326 Google is doing that on the search page too. I hate it, because I never know if I'm actually getting things in my language or not anymore. If you speak more than 1 language, it's a terrible feature.

[@The1stChillaKilla]

Same, so damn annoying xD and i dont blame jay, just youtube for developing stuff to hell

[@TriPBOOMER]

Mine too!... UK😂

[@toweringtower]

One thing that I see lacking in the PC components reviews is more workstation-like loads. Whenever Gamer’s Nexus uploads a review, I pay attention to his blender render. I hope to see more benchmarks such as those.

[@trunks14139]

@JayzTwoCents simple feedback on the automated translated audio tracks: it sounds horrible and youtube don't have any settings to set the original audio as default. I much prefer listening to the original audio because I want to hear the content creator words and voice. Right now we have to manually change the audio track on multiple video and it's quite annoying. This has nothing to do with your content, but I though you might like having some feedback on this feature. Thanks and keep up the good work !

[@aFriendlyPest]

Not every channel needs to be Gamers Nexus. Sometimes we watch this stuff just to be entertained.

[@mikesunboxing]

Agreed 👍

[@Maxidemt]

I find gamers Jesus quite entertaining, I'm gon tell ya that!

[@aaronbeaupre909]

That's not to say Jay and the team don't have good informative content, but there is a layer of levity that GN doesn't really have but they both do what they do very well.

[@Jwalker76]

I like both Gamers Nexus and hardware unboxed. But I don't expect every channel to do that level of testing and after I've watched which ever Steve I'm watching I don't feel the need to go watch every channel doing reviews of that GPU, CPU, etc. For this channel I think not getting too complicated is an advantage. Not everyone wants the RTX 5090 Vs the top 15 GPUs currently available as an example.

[@danielhulan3058]

Gn has made it so technical that the regular non-engineer viewer doesn't relate. Idk half of what he talks about. Also, someone should make a drinking game based around the amount of times steve says semianechoic chamber... idk if i even spelled that right lol. In those videos my eyes glaze and I don't know what the hell hes talking about. Its the same with LTT and when Jake is on camera. If he's there, it's about servers. Something i know nothing about and can't even follow. It's too technical. Jay explains things in a way that i understand. I'm happy he wants to make his methodology better but don't be gn. Youll lost your relatability and viewers won't know what the hell your talking about.

[@captainlooney4356]

Looking forward to seeing the insertion of the clip of Michelle Johnston Holthaus saying "Thanks Steve" on Jay's channel now.

[@sebastianperalta7]

Jay should add it to the sound board on the rtfm show and push it everytime steve answers a question 😂

[@scarletspidernz]

@@sebastianperalta7 Yes 😂😂👌

[@RobertForslund]

Lol, I'm glad I'm not the only one who uses the camera to see what it says on stuff! 😄

[@Eremon1]

Good for you Jay. We can always use more sources of accurate information about the hardware out there. Cheers.

[@LautaroQ2812]

First off, GOOD LUCK and congratulations! I know how big of a thing was this studio move and how excited you guys were about this. Let's go! One thing I'd like is if you can have this data to understand things but you don't lose your essence. I know you wanna be a bit more professional, in depth, etc. but I feel (this is hyperbole) if in 2 years all tech reviewers have these devices, and they show all the charts and stuff... why watch more than 1 if all are going to be the same. It will be really cool if each did their own thing, and these tools are only for consistency in the data.

[@RobertFixit]

Steve is coming: Me : Hides any NZXT product in the closet Also Me : Leaving closet slightly open so he can “accidentally” find it, and record the reaction.

[@WilliamHollinger2019]

He could raid my home and see me having their h510 flow he grabs it and gives me the receipt. I left with no PC. Steve's next video be like how to test nzxt case under fire. I will cries. Yes I am going to burn that case if I can find a replacement case that doesn't have nzxt on it.

[@MrsRepairTech]

I turn into a data nerd when I'm building custom PCs, which I don't do super often anymore. Each client will have different needs/wants/goals for their system, and being able to sleuth through other people's testing is immensely useful as I make calculated decisions for each part that I include. Also, I want to be able to justify why I choose one part over another, in case the customer asks. :) I actually care a lot about power data because our power infrastructure is kind of questionable. We tend to deal with a lot of dead PSUs, especially after storms, so I probably spend an inordinate amount of time calculating estimated power usages and making sure the PSU I pick can handle whatever the parts decide to pull. For instance, knowing some GPUs pull most of their power from cables vs. the slot will totally change how I prioritize PSU total power vs. PCIe cable setup. In the past, knowing which CPUs can pull more watts than they're rated for also influenced my PSU choices. Edit: The PSUs I pick don't usually die. LOL But I see a variety of PSUs crap out with varying amounts of drama, fairly often. (I have some brands I avoid completely, and other very popular brands that I don't personally recommend, either.) We keep run-of-the-mill 500W PSUs (and surge strips, and UPCs) on hand specifically for the post-wind-storm deluge of prebuilt PCs with dead PSUs that happens every spring and fall.

[@stinkertonsden]

Maybe I'm weird but I really enjoy when people are transparent on their data collection and measuring methods. It allows me to do the same with my own setup at home when I'm trying to enjoy playing games but not blow my budget on power consumption.

[@Mrwetgiggles]

The blue line in middle of shoot bothers me heavily idk if it does for others

[@ryebread095]

Things that I generally consider when I'm buying new parts are (no specific order): - cost - performance - how loud they are when cooled properly (even if its the fastest, if it sounds like a jet engine i'm not interested) - size of cooler required to cool properly (some of the coolers on GPUs especially are ridiculously huge, and i would prefer to keep my mid size tower mid sized)

[@davidtempleman1602]

Hey Jay, I have a theory that the Nvidia engineers setup the RTX 4060 to pull more power from the motherboard pci slot so not to draw to much current from a pci-e cable. This might be particularly relevant to PSUs in SIs like Dell, HP or Lenovo.

[@oldschoolpat]

I believe you are correct. All comes down to cutting costs.

[@artisan002]

RE: WHAT STATS MATTER TO ME... With music as a primary focus, all latency measurements are critical to my buying and tuning decisions. Latency hits to storage media [because of loading samples and plugins, and even live recording down to.] Latency hits to RAM [because of rapid call of cued samples] Latency hits to USB and I/O in general [because of all manner of controllers.] Latency hits to CPU cache [because so many plugins are now physically modeled, simulating individual circuit components as objects, and change values with every single frame of a session.] I'm keenly aware that this makes for a lot more real-time compute than is relevant to gaming and gaming content. So, I don't ever expect anyone to pick up this particular torch. But, you asked...

[@JPWestmas]

I'd like to hear more about about voltage oddities on Dram and CPU stuff in various BIOS configurations. Things that are not so obvious. What is interesting to me for example is that I found through ignorance and looking things up on the internet, that Auto XMP, timing and voltage settings can be far from ideal and the HEAVEN gpu scene will still run fine but then I run a heavy video game and then get crashes.

[@ericmollison2760]

Furmark is a real stress test. Artificial but it makes for a worst case scenario. Sometimes just making the GPU hot can make it crash because of current leakage increasing. You might want to stress test the cpu at the same time with something like y-cruncher or blender

[@Chuso_Skever93]

Numbers that I care for as a gamer personally are: - Frametime - FPS - GPU usage and temperature - CPU usage and temperature - RAM usage - VRAM usage AKA Gpu dedicated memory

[@Bluestreak589]

I'm not crazy into power utilization... But with juice costing as much as it does now its definitely worth being able to identify a point where incoming juice is delivering performance vs where it begins to deliver diminishing returns. Happy to see you're interested in the power utilization/management arena and making investments into developing testing/reporting. Its good to have more guys looking into things - When numbers don't line up its a great opportunity to dig in and figure out why.... Is somebody's testing flawed? Is the OS screwed up? Is the hardware flawed? These are all things which have actually come to light in recent years because reviewers have stepped up their testing capabilities (and in Wendell's case, tentacles into businesses/data centers/etc where this hardware is actually used).

[@saundby]

Good step forward, Jay! I'm also interested in how much heat is being dumped into the case. Obviously I want to have good airflow through the case. And the watts consumed is an indirect measure of the sort of heat the components are radiating. But I'd like to see something like a standardized case and fan setup and temperature excursions under different loads (and recovery from those loads.) I don't know what would make it practical to make such measurements, or translate them into something a builder can use to make a determination of, say, air vs. liquid, or how many fans or whether some case is adequate for the task (I still use 5.25" drives in the case--but there are other elements to cases that affect airflow and cooling, too.) For my last build I specifically chose the 7950x3D because of its power limits over a 7950X. I figured the relatively minor performance hit for my CAD/CAM and graphics work was worth it to stick with an air cooled setup (gaming is secondary for me, and I'm usually not playing AAA games these days.) When I design electronics, I have the thermal data at hand to design the board layout, enclosure, and cooling to suit it. I know that with PC building there are countless variables because of all the wide ranging choices in components. But I wish I had at least some sort of a baseline planning number, or indicator, that I could use to direct me with a build.

[@SinnaJ-vq9ws]

Please don't get too technical that the content gets dry and boring. Stick to what got you here and adding more technical stuff here and there.

[@RazzRG]

Ehhh. Naa. Technical is fine. If your data you pull is not up to snuff then what are you realy doing? Any anyways it's jay and team. You know there is going to be some jank somewhere that we love.

[@BartekBieszcz-k6p]

Yeah, technical is perfectly fine. We need more of that and less is the short attention grabbing nonsense that teenagers are looking for

[@brianm.595]

Steve has built out a pretty slick setup to get the details. I would expect Jay to also be going for more/better data. He definitely likes overclocking and the details and technical bits matter a lot.

[@thegeekno72]

Technical is good, let Jay do his thing

[@mavfan1]

If it becomes like Steve’s channel I’m out.

[@joshuarichkid6375]

What you gotta start doing is adding a metric comparing the price per performance of a GPU in the given market. All you would need is to collect the attainable prices on a card and divide the performance by the current dollar price. This can paint the viewer a better picture of the value they can get on a certain graphics card, especially when compared to others at a similar price point.

[@waynemiller2975]

Love that your digging deeper into how different parts of the system draws power, as a person on a tight budget when I do finally upgrade to something new it'll be nice to see what saves me money at the store and also the wall.

[@TECHiSuppose]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1465">24:25</a> I definitely consider power use of components and efficiency in the context of performance per watt. It's not just trying to be efficient because power used will be converted into heat and likely increasing noise.

[@Game_Rebel]

for gaming oriented stuff... mostly just care about performance rather than efficiency. power draw matters, but only so I can make sure I get an adequate cooler. for that, I can get enough info from the listed TDP/TGP specs without having accurate tested power numbers. the occasional "this chip would be great for an affordable NAS build" would be cool, but that's about it on the efficiency front. just my 2 cents.

[@kevinlloyd3047]

Same here. Our power is cheap (Duke Power in NC, USA is ~ $0.14/kWh) compared to a lot of places, so the only reason I care about power draw is choosing a PSU.

[@Game_Rebel]

@@kevinlloyd3047 oh yeah, good point. mentioned cooler but not PSU... that too!

[@oafkad]

Thanks Jay, you were my inspiration for getting into water cooling very recently. So far it has gone great and I can see why people enjoy it. Really fun!

[@necuz]

I don't care about power in terms of cost to operate, but power also means heat and noise. The complicated part about that from a benchmarking perspective is that you want to limit performance in order to reap the efficiency benefits, since everything now boosts into bad efficiency territory by default.

[@Yokai0711]

I think most important to me are the FPS and the noise levels. I don't need silent hardware that turns my games into a slide-show nor do I need the most potent hardware that turns my living room noisewise into an airfield. Knowing how much power the hardware consumes during a year might be interessting to see - but most likely won't influence my decision to buy something in any meaningful way.

[@Gekko008]

I don't know about important, but what's been interesting above and beyond FPS - Power draw - both in terms of actual draw, but what PSU will support what. It's easy to show graphs, but showing that, for example, full load of GPU X, and CPU Z would draw Y, and that's why you don't want to use a 600w PSU, kind of thing. The other thing would be heat dissipation. At least where I am, my office (I have 3 PC's always running) is always few degrees warmer than the rest of the house. So extra heat not only is inefficiency, but you also then have to spend money/strategy to cool down the room (obviously, on a cold place, this is actually a plus)

[@joeyderrico8134]

Glad to see youtubers working together to help each other improve. Price/watt, price/FPS I would love to see. Actually any measurement that measure efficiency is really good as far as I am concerned

[@JETWTF]

For testing GPU's you should have a dedicated bench for it and a dedicated OS with the drivers needed installed. Swap out the GPU then swap out the OS drive as well. Install without video card drivers on one drive and clone that drive, install the drivers on the clones. That will guarantee it is the exact same setup everytime.

[@xero256]

FPS is important so we have a comparative metric to determine the difference between different OEM's. Power is also a thing. Not everyone has an unlimited power budget. For example, one of my roommates and I share a circuit. We can't both draw maximum power. I have to underclock my rig to 80% in order to keep the breaker from tripping. Watts are important, but only based on context of the end user.

[@marxmaiale9981]

When testing new CPUs, please start benchmarking the integrated graphics. This makes for a decent baseline of how much more you get with descete cards. As well as when to give final byes to old cards as integrated passes them up.

[@johnt.848]

Best preparation is lock the doors and turn the lights off, and pretend you're not there, if Steve turns up.

[@ScarletEyeMoon]

That's awesome can't wait to see what you're going to find with all this stuff. Thank you Jay, Phil and Nick, this content just keeps getting better! I would like to see how you can report on products that are efficient and need less power as to those that are not which produces more heat and waste money through the electricity bill

[@Mr._MN10]

Really important is to think about the way you present all info. The layout, lettertype, spacing, colors etc. So it is easy to digest even for less experienced viewers. You shouldn't become a GN clone but otherwise REALLY GOOD to see you guys are stepping up to adhere to the latest review standards ! And very nice of GN Steve to share his knowledge free of cost. Yes pls do in depth power measurements. Especially idle power and and power in sleep of the various components as well. Maybe a given CPU under load uses way more power but what if the other CPU is using a lot more under idle when most of the time the PC is idling. Which one is more cost efficient over 10 hour daily use. When I game I don't mind that much but other than that power usage is important. We don't want to waste energy, especially given the energy prices. 1% lows are definitely important as well as a well thought out game suite.

[@csjpokey]

Change is a little scary you never know if your fans are going to like it. Respect for going the direction you think is best.

[@cracklingice]

Jay - get an 8-pin PCIE to 8-pin EPS adapter and then you can have it on the PCIE instead of EPS. He probably used EPS because of the amount of PCIE connectors on the PMD2.

[@lunsmann]

Power draw off the wall is important for me. Not just when gaming, but also when watching a youtube video. I have solar on my roof, and a battery attached to that. Information on power draw helps us manage that stored energy better.

[@mechnut450]

That one way to limit pc time. And the waste heat can help keep place a tiny bit warmer..

[@ZoeyYasuda]

I am interested in seeing where this goes. I think for many, power is a consideration as it can really add to the cost over the long term. Plus it is always cool to see the impact of efficient designs...or the lack thereof. I do a agree with some others that when I watch you I am not looking for the same detail as with GN, but a well founded synopsis and maybe a link your data sets could be neat. Either way, you guys keep doing you and I will keep watching.

[@yourmetalgod69]

Don't forget the UPS effect on stable power in PCs. I didn't know how big of an effect it could have on your system until I got one and all my test scores and my OC became far more stable. I do need another one with more power but for gaming the one I have works fine.

[@Ztaal3]

Learning new stuff is never a bad thing, it's not always needed, but suddenly something changes and it becomes needed.

[@tombyron6335]

In most of the US power is inexpensive enough that you would not go +/- 1 model number based on energy consumption. In my area it's already expensive enough to change part selection and only increasing each year. For profiles and configuration and idle state though components drastically vary in efficiency and everyone should find that data informative. Like when you considered running the new Ryzen parts at 120W at a 40% efficiency loss for standard benchmarks (and every comment said "Jay...less crack please"). The operating cost (4yr.) at the edges of config options can easily exceed the cost of going +/- 1 model in most of the US.

[@FredTheLard]

I run 3 sciences boxes (Boinc, folding etc) that are flat out 24x7. I know they draw power due to the size of my bill, and the fact the garage is hot in winter, with no dedicated heating.

[@punpundit5590]

Power draw is the same as heat. Knowing how much power a component draws means knowing how much cooling it requires, so it lets me know what cooling solution I should go for. Based on the power draw of whatever CPU or GPU the cooling solution I am looking at was tested with I can draw some conclusions without having to have the cooling solution tested with my specific hardware.

[@markcorbo8198]

Great changes! Good luck with the new gear and methodologies.

[@JayC133]

Please don't lose what made you personable and popular. I understand you may have had this vision from the beginning but I can't be the only one who stayed here for the fun and interesting (at the same time) videos.

[@bzdtemp]

Never to late to do more. That being said while details are nice, what matters is really to watts drawn from the wall socket, those are what determines the bills* and how much heat needs to be dealt with. But it is good to know what draws how much and knowing the numbers are trustworthy. The other day we saw peak rates for power at $1,55 per KWh! Fortunately that was way out of the ordinary , but 0,60-0,70$ per KWh is pretty normal here so efficiency matters.

[@syhler1876]

where do you buy the testbenches ?

[@AppaFappa]

I would really love to see 1% low and perhaps 0.1% lows as well as frame-times or even only the spikes. I'm excited to see what all this new gear is gonna bring to the testing quality!!

[@lordsqueak]

Frame times is useful , because they tell approx what the limit is. (if the fps is capped, which it often is)

[@AxR558]

One question I have (and if it was covered in the video and I missed it, I apologise) - but regarding logging the data you're collecting: Are you planning to do this on a separate system from the one being tested or is the data being logged alongside the active test? My only thought it that any data processing happening on the system is going to have some effect on the performance of the system under test, or does something like HWmonitor/logging data points have such an inconsequential load that it's entirely irrelevant?

[@codemaster001]

What would be interesting to see is once you're setup and running take the opportunity to approach LTT Labs and compare your methodology to theirs. Adopt any best practices and share your lessons learned with the community.

[@docbrody]

Ideally you should have dedicated gpu test bench instead of swapping in a 9800x3d everytime you do gpu testing. Remember a few months ago when everyone figured out that if a motherboard had a non x3d part in it first, the drivers wouldn’t update correctly when you put in an x3d part in later. That’s just one example of the kind of crap that can happen. You’d have to reset CMOS and clean install windows (or have a dedicated drive like you said). Seems like a lot of hassle with high risk of human error. Better to have a dedicated test bench that always has the 9800x3d in the same motherboard with the same power supply. You can use it for more than testing GPUs. Could test RAM, SSDs, CPU coolers too.

[@valiant719]

Oh Snap. Steve & Jay. Avengers Assemble.

[@Raizan-IO]

Jay, I think your content is awesome. Do what you want, I don't ask you to do 40 games, not even 20, whatever you want, I just like your take... Trying to keep the pressure low, I know this is what you want to pursue.

[@kahlaaja]

Rough picture around component power use behavior is info that I take into account when choosing parts. It's very nice to know, in addition to the fps, what technology forced ideology backs the performance

[@flech3025]

CPU and GPU efficiency is huge during the summer time for obvious reasons.

[@allinadadsday]

no it isnt

[@flech3025]

@@allinadadsday solid argument with excellent reasoning, I am convinced now.... LOL

[@william0404]

Love the fact Steve helping Jay, if i dont remember wring Jay gona do more grafs and stuff but gona be a happy medium betvene Steve and llt

[@StephenCole1916]

I have the same problem reading the microscopic print on things these day too.

[@joelbosshoss9029]

Power draw isn't high on my list of concerns. I just get a power supply that won't struggle and is somewhat future proof.

[@larralde23]

I think it’s great to update methodology to increase accuracy. It absolutely doesn’t mean it’s going to be like Steve. Jay gives his own insight and opinions that make it a Jayztwocents video. Don’t people want accurate info when they want to drop half a grand on a cpu? He’s still making the fun videos we subscribed for 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@jordansinnott3187]

about a year ago I built my first PC and I've never had problems with gaming ever since. One day I woke and my psu was dead so I replaced it but then I started to get more problems ..When gaming, I can normally get 5-60 minutes of gameplay before (even playing games like CS:GO) the PC will shut down as if someone had taken the power plug out of the wall. It doesn't restart, it just remains shut down. When I attempt to turn it back on nothing happends, I then must flip the switch on the PSU off, then back on and everything powers on normally. I've only recently noticed that if I enable an FPS limiter, such as 60fps in game, I can play for hours on end. I've already replaced one power supply, and my CPU runs at a constant 40-60 celcius and my GPU ranges from 50-70 Celsius. I still have no clue what could be causing this and I'd rather not limit my system to half of its potential but I don't know where else to go.

[@ngelsoto]

All data is relevant, because it lead us to interesting and useful ends. For example, if a power supply is really enough for a given rig or if it's overkill. To check if a vendor's provided software is telling us accurate information.

[@Drunken_Horse]

Just because data is relevant doesn't mean its useful or entertaining. Jay needs to figure out what he needs/wants to do. If he want data heavy content like GN I think a big part of his community will lose interest. It shouldn't stop him doing what he wants to do but it's foolish to think GN type content has a bigger audience appeal than his current content when he has more subscribers and GNs most viewed vids aren't it review vids it's their Drama vids.

[@gamewiththeHost]

JAY EVERYTHING YOU HAVE DONE IS EVERYTHING I LEARNED SO MUCH FROM YOU AND MY TEACHER MR WINTERS YOUR THE REASON WHY I KEEP LIVING!

[@Masterown35]

Definitely interested in real power draw. Only because I remember back with 30 series they were saying the cards draw much higher power, but it was discovered later on that what was initially reported wasn't the case

[@Genesis8934]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="587">9:47</a> You could rotate the drives themselves between each bench to keep variables sane. I don't know when you'd need to rotate them, but I do wonder if there's a lottery on drives like there is on CPU's. Rotating the drives between the benches, doing a new reference benchmark, then benchmarking the thing that you're doing for results. I'm also curious about "wear-and-tear" of the components, actually. At what age do they slow down? Does a Windows reinstall actually do anything meaningful? (it _seems_ to, but idk!)

[@soth99]

Power to heat (btu), and the impact on cooling requirements, with the demand increase of nano proximity, such as infiniband potential in Blackwell, potentially we are witnessing the end of air cooling or a dramatic shift in material science to cope.

[@EdDale44135]

I think this is interesting approach. Have fun exploring the changes!

[@crystallakedood]

I think cycling out some games every year should be your norm, as well. Maybe switch out 5-8 games a year for new titles, making sure you keep it fresh and on the bleeding edge if need be. Especially with spec requirements for some games being really wonky the last few years.

[@velinion1]

Very interested in efficiency metrics (performance/ watt) and also in idle power draw. 1% lows also good to know. Frame timeing graphs like GN does give a very easy to "read" indicator of smoothness, so recommend those as well.

[@NagâshTheImmortal]

Personally, power efficiency, low noise output, and thermals are my priority. Not many reviewers on this platform look into thermal and noise differences inter-brand nor intra-brand.

[@KellicTiger]

I doubt Jay will see this but it would be nice if Hardware Unboxed, Gamers Nexus and J2C all used different games for bench-marking. That way there would be a wide spectrum of games when someone like myself watches all the reviews.

[@Terickso27]

It would be cool if PSUs included a logging or display feature that shows power draw from each rail or even each plug. I love the data you are going to get with the new tools. As a super user and not a content creator, it would be nice to be able to get the same data without investing in devices. I run an HX1000i on my personal machine.

[@teriinekoyama1369]

Never too late to go full nerd on computers like you do with cars. Looking forward to what you want to do with this kind of granular info.

[@HappyDiggers]

Are you certain there is a significant difference between those two 4090 cards? You could test both cards on both test beds to find out. If the difference is small enough instead of having a GPU "mule" you could perhaps designate half of the test suite to one card while the other card does the other half. That way testing can get done a lot faster while maintaining data integrity.

[@protonmaster76]

Performance per Watt is interesting to me. It seems like getting the last 20% of performance can cost more than 100% more power.

[@GrandAdmiralHamilton]

To answer jay’s question, I want to go balls to the wall with my system but I also want stability so that I can game on it without crashes. So I want to know that power is being delivered where it’s needed and not bottlenecked somewhere or causing overheats that it shouldn’t.

[@A1BASE]

Really interesting to see creators push each other to the benefit of us, the consumers.

[@TheSthotter]

Steve is too much. Linus is not enough. I like watching Jayztwocents because you're a happy medium.

[@StriderCZ]

I certainly won't complain about more technical data. Especially if there is more of a why to particular things people do in builds to achieve something