WoWs Biggest Leveling Nerfs Ever - Patch 8.0 (World of Warcraft)

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Blizzard Update (7/19/2018): • There should be a bonus for daily random dungeons. If it says weekly, it is either broken or a display issue that will be fixed. • End of dungeon objective XP is no longer there, it has been rolled into the final boss of the dungeon. BUT I ran my alt through stratholme and still did not receive experience from the bonus objective bosses or the last boss. Also I ran my alt through Hellfire Ramparts and same problem, no additional experience for completing dungeon. Wonder if this is strictly for rewarding random dungeon finder queues now. Requires further testing. I’ll reply back to this post when I find out more.

[@dr.stitches3702]

Do you know where on the forums I can go complain on?

[@NoobGamer-di1dw]

Dr. Stitches constructive feedback not just mindless complaining.

[@Jackomack]

Garryn Shafer oh you're no fun anymore

[@dr.stitches3702]

Garryn Shafer that’s how the forums work isn’t it?? Mostly people complaining not trying to meet a middle ground.

[@beaniecrab7597]

You hit the nail on the head here, also personally tanks struggle a lot on dungeons atm, good video! 👍🏼

[@GooserFive]

I would totally quest my ass off and be happy if they boosted the xp gain for quests.

[@kolokoura]

I don't understand why so many dislikes?? This guy has a huge point that you can not simply deny, especially when it comes to heirlooms and the reward system with quests and dungeons! What the fck is wrong with you? Just tell me(you who disliked this video) what do you find enjoyable about leveling a new character at the moment huh?

[@allanomaly3488]

I left a comment that would have worked very well as a reply to this.

[@kolokoura]

Yeah, i managed to read it but i think you are missing the point mate. I am not talking about the overall leveling revamp (i love the scale lvling of the zones) but the huge impact heirlooms have for example in the character progression and how rewarding it feels to complete a quest while you leveling up a new character nowdays. As an RPG player you long for the moment you get your hands on sweet new gear, or a new skill that makes you even more powerful than before. This is the sense of progression you should have while leveling a new character. Imagine your self leveling your third character, full-heirloomed. You are basicaly quest grinding the shit out of it with the same items from 1-100, with a new talent every 15 levels. I think you get my point. :)

[@cesars7281]

His heirloom argument isn't on point. I would just buy my alts gear from my main. I didn't level no damn profession to craft a shitty ass green. Most people gimped their alts after they leveled on the main. That's the point.

[@malanare]

From the a character progression, or even just a basic RPG standpoint -- the worst thing about WoW leveling is how redundant it is. Ever since Cataclysm the player has been an unstoppable god since level one. Just look at the starting zone revamps: your character reaves through elite soldiers, parties with faction leaders, thwarts entire invasions and can even become the champion of Elune -- all before level 10. Your character doesn't progress in power; in fact, you may find yourself fighting kobalds at 105 with Ashbringer, wondering when you got this weak. You're always as strong, or weak, as it behooves the devs for you to be -- and they don't respect internal consistency. *Cough* WoD *Cough* Furthermore, the chronology doesn't work since the revamp, so there's not a cogent story being told. The way you slingshot forward and backward in time is egregious and it shows painfully in a plethora of encounters and text, reminding the player of the artificiality and lack of cohesion in the world they're trying to immerse in. Allied races are particularly hilarious, their story culminating in the defeat of Argus which begets them being taken into their respective faction in a paradox too painful to describe. None of this is accidental. Blizzard have actively made choices that caused this problem, it's not a byproduct of game age or addition. I can't for the life of me figure out why more people don't talk about this -- and it frustrates me to no end.

[@nikolaospapanikolaou7240]

Why so many dislikes? He just mentioned Blizzard's nerfs, he didn't do anything wrong

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Lol! I was confused too. I think people got mad at my idea on heirloom changes or mentioning how I missed when leveling was more fun due to the old talent tree. I think some people also clicked dislike because they don’t like the nerds :/

[@birdthatknowswhatsgood]

Frankly, people probably disliked because you asked them not to. A fair amount of people are generally scum bags about shit like that.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Touché!

[@Jburtonsemo1]

The first half of the video was solely on the nerfs. I threw in my solutions to leveling AFTER. Haters gonna hate but oh well. Moving on to making the next video regardless. Almost al of my videos have a 95% like to dislike ratio so I’m not worried that one video got lotsa dislikes. Not gonna stop me :)

[@Kompe2]

Maybe they could make the Loremaster achievements into a voluntary xp boost? For example If you have the "I've Toured the Fjord" achiev for completing the Howling Fjords questlines/Stories then you get a buff in this zone the next time you run through it with an alt That way the Achievement system knows where you have been before and probably sooner or later will suffer from Deja Vu

[@Azrael79a]

That heirloom as an enchant idea is actually pretty good lol.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Would be interesting! =]

[@thenerdbeast7375]

There are two ways to make heirlooms better: 1: make it a slot enchant like you suggested, that way quest and dungeon rewards are worth something again or 2: keep the scale-able stats but remove the exp. buff, that way you don't have to worry about gear but leveling would be more fun.

[@Xelzos]

Why the f... do they nerf leveling methods? I mean, u have to level up to level 120 now...ONE FRICKING TWENTY!!! That is long enough and then they nerf this? o.O blizzard clearly wants you to buy a character boost now it's way faster to just quest throught the different zones, I dont see any advantage in queueing in dungeons anymore :( instead of nerfing leveling methods they should buff them or add more for the variety

[@Jburtonsemo1]

They did announce the issue that the “random dungeon bonus” is supposed to be a daily not a weekly, but even if they fix that one problem, leveling has still taken many leveling hits regardless of that :(

[@Xelzos]

Yes, thats what i meant before 8.0 it was nearly the same if you queue up for a dungeon or quest...now? oh man ^^ do you know if the 10% war mode exp stack with the full heirloom of 50% ? bcs i think they once said that you cant get more than 50%

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I’m not 100% sure if it does but I think it does. Similar to how heirloom gear stacks with the monks 50% xp buff

[@MegaBlackhawk1990]

Stop crying lvling was way to fast I could hit 100 in a day easy. This is going to slow the possess witch they have needed to do for a while now.

[@ohinianahiuhki9088]

Why was it needed for leveling to be slow? Fuck off, I don't want to level up all the way from 1-120 for the 29th time...

[@MrKurtisp23]

Couldn't put my finger on why I was dreading levelling my mage but I totally agree! It's as if the only rewarding part of levelling is a new talent every 15 levels and then finally reaching max.

[@MastaCGaming]

Kurtis Parker Indeed! 15 levels between rewards really kills leveling. My last toon I leveled thru pvp. Took forever but at least it was semi rewarding to win bgs

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Bg wins are something u really have to earn! I competely agree plus the exp is pretty good from those wins!

[@morbrak1294]

That Enchant rather than gear idea for heirlooms is such a great idea, i reckon that'd make a huge difference

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I feel like it would make even questing a bit more fun

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Just to repeat this as I keep getting comments on this. Yes Ion did say that the "End of dungeon completion Experience" is added on to the overall experience from killing the last boss in a dungeon. One hour before this video went live I ran my alt through Stratholme and a different alt through Ramparts, and there was a very minor amount of experience from the last boss and NO end of dungeon completion bonus. This qualifies as a leveling nerf. They may have made it where you only get the dungeon completion bonus in dungeon finder perhaps, but still is a nerf as it restricts leveling methods. Just pointing that out as people keep repeating the same comment "Ion said this, Ion said that" :)

[@TerryLestrange]

Jburtonsemo it frustrates me soo much man. Why are they destroying soo much? Maybe you like it but also the global cooldown makes much classes feel so slow. This patch makes me so sad:(

[@GoGGeN2107]

the bonus xp for random queue now comes from the last boss of the dungeon instead, ion said it at the q&a

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Yeah I saw that he said that but I had tested it or earlier today and I didn’t get the bonus experience when I carried my alt through stratholme and a different alt through ramparts. Both last bosses gave a very minor amount of experience. Unless they moved that to strictly work In dungeon finder which would still be a nerf for many leveling methods outside of random queueing of course

[@fantomex82]

Just a small thing to note - the bonus xp for dungeon completion and optional bosses was baked into the boss’s xp when killed. It’s still a nerf because it now splits the 8k by 5 and if you get carried by a 110 it’s less than 500xp. One thing you missed is that you can’t level through pvp if your account is above level 50 honor. Since it’s account wide, any of your characters regardless of level is placed into a prestige bracket for bg queues - and there are simply not enough people on low level alts queueing at the same time to ever make the queue pop.

[@BoyWithOboy]

Part of the problem with leveling is that Blizzard puts 99% effort into leveling from prev. to new max level, throwing the rest of the journey under the bus. The story aspect is gone because nearly all of it is out of date. The only incentive to quest with a group these days is because the enemies are tougher and you have a fraction of your toolkit to kill them with.

[@ohinianahiuhki9088]

Do you know if they removed the Fishing Stravaganza contest for the 5% exp bonus ring? I have been trying to get on that for nearly 5 months and it just never pops at all, and I've been there at multiple timespans, even before the 2PM ST.

[@akavlad6935]

how much longer do we have to wait to post that leveling guide in 8.0.1?

[@allanomaly3488]

I truly believe, in my heart of hearts, that the changes were not made to encourage the purchasing of level boosts, but rather to encourage leveling via questing. Because what you neglected to mention is that all of the zones now scale with your level, meaning all of the quest rewards do as well. And this is amazing in my opinion because you can see the zones out to their full extent, and really take in the story that their team put so much time in to writing, without feeling like you're wasting your time because you're out leveling the quests. I have been having more fun leveling characters recently than I have in years, because It feels like, for the first time in years, I'm playing an actual game, and not just senselessly grinding the same dungeons over for a week and feeling no attachment to the character. Recently, I was leveling up a Rogue in the Northern Barrens, and I had gotten to a point where I had to complete a group quest but I was playing alone, but I was so close to completing all of the chapters there that I didn't want to abandon the quest. Over and over, I died trying to figure out this quest until finally, I found a way to lure the boss away from the pack by disorienting one of his bodyguards and sapping the other, and using pistol shot to aggro him and kite him until he was far enough away that i could kill him without getting piled. I was presented a problem, and had to figure out the solution, and when I did I was rewarded with pure satisfaction, a fun memory, and just that much more of a bond with my character. It was fun. I personally feel that's just something you don't get to experience just mindlessly grinding for the levels by spamming dungeons or having friends carry you. Idk.

[@bakedpotatokekw]

Last time I have tried to level-up characters was in the end of Draenor, where there was legion invasion near Ogri, and you could use a bug to repeat it after stage 1. I have leveled like 6 alts in 3 days from 1 to 90. And now I went to the alliance, and I have leveled my dk from 55 to 64 in 9 hours. It takes forever :(

[@pyloniac]

Easiest solution would be --> if u have a max lvl char u can buy a token that unlocks +50% xp accountwide.

[@aniset79]

Heirlooms?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

The whole argument was that heirlooms make half ur gear irreplaceable which I’m not fond of. So having a flat 50% xp bonus would resolve that.

[@aniset79]

Where is this token?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

this token doesn’t exist, it was kaNe’s solution to the issue I brought up in the video. I just really liked the idea

[@aniset79]

I see

[@FlakeybrutYT]

The karazhan thing is gone now the dungeons nerf. What's next? Timegated questing?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

They did address some issues in a blue post but either they didn’t fix them the way they said they would or they haven’t been done yet but even if a couple of these nerfs stay around it’s a big hit to leveling :(

[@DutchVanDerLindePlans]

Yes XD i mean we had Timegated quests in legion

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Lol at least we were at max level for those. Trying to picture time-gated questing for low levels, oh gosh, thats a scary thought.

[@FlakeybrutYT]

I'm disappointed in myself for not noticing they were getting rid of karazhan levelling. I hope it gets fixed in the future maybe (probably not)

[@Jburtonsemo1]

They did mention that they had to hand-code thousands of things to apply the stat squish, they said they are trying to fix things. But I’m not sure things like old raid content will be involved in it. But here’s hoping!

[@Licury]

Ion said they didint want to slow the leveling, it is visible as we can notice the crazy distribution of HP and DMG numbers mobs have through diferent expacs and the overtuning of dungeon bosses. Another issue to be noticed is that players above Honor Lvel 50 (im 64) cant do bgs until 110, because now you can only play with other people with honor 50+ and there arent enough to start a match. On this exactly moment im at 3H13Min on the queue (i have been questing all this time on grizzly hills)

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Holy hell that is a crazy ass pvp but. 64 is pretty impressive

[@Licury]

Have y ever done bgs for leveling? Its such a massive amount of xp

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I may have to try it now that most of my fast leveling methods have just been removed lol

[@raikaria3090]

There's also the fact some things are just broken. In the Northern Barrens; the quest 'Stolen Silver' is flat out not working; it won't let you loot the quest item from the box. In Ashara; the Shredders that you pilot are not scaled. Regular mobs which they are supposed to oneshot can kill them. The Ancient Boss at the end destroys it; and is outright unkillable if you are a melee without literally running away and coming back after you heal.

[@FrexieFrex]

Questing is fun the first few times but its not time 563. At that point ya just wanna speed it

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Absolutely

[@FrexieFrex]

Then again. Blizzards latest video states dungeon exp showing weekly is a bugg and apologized for it :)

[@mislavboban6417]

Yea but why would you lvl 563 different characters. I lvld my monk from 1-110 did all the quest ( around 8500 + 2000 dailys) and now im doing the same thing with my warrior. And it didn’t get boring..

[@alurriel4200]

depends on the person. For me i switch my main rather often because my class gets changes that breaks the gameplay for me or another class gets changes that interest me a lot. Like now im leveling a fury warrior for BFA which is prob gonna be my main just like with many other people since the spec is just really fun to play now with its spammy and fast playstyle.

[@antlemec]

The did not delete the dungeon completion bonus. They just moved it onto the experience killing the boss provides. You should watch the Q&A from 2 days ago.

[@4erographer]

I found out the hard way about the nerf when I waited in a queue for an hour and then only got half a level out of the dungeon. The prospect that leveling was going to take even longer made me get back on a 110 because it wasnt worth it

[@CrazyGerman624]

Didnt remove dungeon completion bonus, its rolled into last boss xp now....

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Which is still a nerf sadly. One of the quickest leveling methods involving carrying alts in dungeons. But when a high level is in the dungeon, since the exp is rolled into the last boss, u get only 3-5% of the exp. I’m saddened :(

[@CrazyGerman624]

I guess Ill have to concede the point if someone is running you. I just figured most people power level by popping continuous dungeons at least if you can heal or tank. >.>

[@nocti6232]

So how much total % of a level do you get for a random dungeon now (not including the single daily random dungeon exp) compared to what it used to be? I seem to recall both dungeons and questing was about 30-40 min before per level, just doing current content?

[@facibus]

Happy someone is talking about the Kara L73-81 nerf - leveling a Nightborne char for the achieve and noticed this right away. RIP Kara.

[@MrHuggykins]

With all of the recent nerfs, what is your latest recommendation? Questing mostly? The sad thing about that is I have 3 friends that decided to play with me and I wanted to run them through dungeons D: any advice?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Sadly it seems either quests or dungeons is the only way. I think group questing (for speed) may be better

[@MrHuggykins]

@@Jburtonsemo1 that's what I figured, but you'd have to have a similarly leveled character which is the problem. Darn it. Thanks for sharing anyway! I will stay tuned for any tips and tricks.

[@thefriendlypolarbeargaming6300]

And here I was thinking I would be able to level some alts before bfa...

[@supersolenoid]

Agree with you on the "XP enchant" instead of actual physical heirlooms: I had the same idea and I was hoping they could increase the bonus the more capped alts you had.

[@hightower4385]

I had an thought that they should add an heirloom tabard that you'd get for a world explorer achievement (or something similar, like 5 max characters or anything really) that rewards 'x%' boost to leveling experience, rewarding a higher xp bonus if you've completed Loremaster. You'd still be able to work towards gear upgrades when leveling because all you'd have to do is equip your heirloom tabard for the boost. That way we have optional access to an xp boost, and Blizzard gets their way of gating it for whatever reason, such as wanting to re-populate the more sparse locations of the world, and wanting to force people to experience the world. When you've leveled many alts, there's no sense in making you go through it countless times more, and not everyone has time to level. If someone doesn't want the boost they don't have to wear the tabard and can just experience the new pace of leveling (which I don't mind when I have the time to spare). You could even have separate tabards for the different achievements so you can level with a friend, that doesn't have Loremaster, but does have the other achievement. Of course, the requirements could be anything, explorer and loremaster are just the ones I threw out there. Scaling it to a cap based on number of alts would probably be fine too.

[@Elyndyr]

Dungeon completion bonus was not removed.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

In a way it was. If u carry alt through dungeons it is no longer with it. If a high level is present ur alt will get 3-5% of the dungeon completion bonus. Not a nerf if u random queue but the quick way (getting carried) has been nerfed

[@easypete4849]

Your heirloom idea is actually really solid, I would never have thought of that. I really hope Blizzard would take that into consideration!

[@brunomatos4958]

Island Expeditions are already available ???

[@Jburtonsemo1]

No I meant to say BFA is brining many cool features including island expeditions

[@Darkdestro]

In the Q,A of wow it said that the bonus exp for end of dungeon is a bug, and it shoulden´t be like that

[@Jburtonsemo1]

At least that will be one of these nerfs being fixed :)

[@steveaustin4118]

So random dungeon xp should be daily not weekly and the bonus xp is bugged, begs the question do blizz actually do any kind of testing before releasing patches?

[@fgc_7433]

If I return today will this effect me from leveling through Legion? I never played Legion and I really wanted to return and get through it before BFA.

[@danstern3030]

Since the time you made this guide have you made anything similar to your older guides for 60-80? If not, do you have a couple zone suggestions for Northrend? And do you know if it's faster to quest or to queue for random dungeons if you're tanking and have no wait times between?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

As of right now I kinda like doing pet battles while watching twitch/Netflix for that area. However I think questing while in dps queue is decent too. Just make sure to alternate between bc and wotlk dungeons to try to avoid repeating dungeons as u want as many dungeon quests as possible. As for where to quest in northrend I recommend doing allllll of Bornean tundra then dragon blight. Do not do hoeing fjord because it’s so insanely spread out and lots of upper and lower level areas which makes it super inefficient. Patch 8.1 is going to drastically change leveling from 60-80 in a good way. I covered a video on that recently. Hope this helped

[@danstern3030]

@@Jburtonsemo1 That is helpful! Thanks! I've been doing Storm Peaks and found it's good sometimes and slow when they make me fly around. I'll wrap up the couple quests I'm on now and head to Dragonblight. Thanks again!

[@danstern3030]

@@Jburtonsemo1 Thanks man, that helped a ton. I ended up doing Dragon Blight and got to 80 in no time. Went to Pandaria and found the Jade Forest crazy fast by comparison with Northrend. I realize it's no optimal but since I missed MoP I jumped from JF to VotFW and then Dread Wastes just to get a feel for the atmosphere and some of the lore. Loving DW's look and story, but it does feel less efficient than JF. I'm dreading WoD because I don't have flying >

[@xKage_kunx]

It should also be noted that the heritage armor for the new BFA races is 120, not 110. So for those that were only lvling that race to get the armor then just race changing a different toon, enjoy that even longer lvl grind.

[@xKage_kunx]

From what ive read. Mag'har orcs and dark irons require level 120. This does not mean that the other 4 that races(void, nightborne, etc.) will be raised. However, it does mean any other race that comes down the line will be 120, like Zandalar and Kutarans.

[@NixCentral]

Really like the idea of having the heirlooms as an enchant type thing to make getting new gear actually fun again but with an xp boost to fix this shoddy new 'leveling'.. Nice video brotha.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Ty =]

[@wilowwy8178]

The problem with the "Bliz is nerfing leveling to promote the skip" argument is that they've just introduced allied races which don't get their fancy transmog if you use the skip. It feels like bliz doesn't know what they actually want out of leveling.

[@skiefyre123]

I have one huge problem with the heirloom enchant thing. I enchant my heirlooms with Mark of the Hidden Saytr and Elemental Force. This greatly reduces the frustration of lvling low damage classes (priest). With that change it simply would not be financially possible to do that.

[@notsopro6953]

You didn't mention the one thing I thought you'd mention. They nerfed kil'jaeden's burning wish by more than 50%. The day of the pre-patch, I bought the trinket, and the tooltip for the active said it delt 7k damage. The next day, the tooltip reads as 3k now. Pretty big nerf, but I'm still gona use it going into bfa. As far as old lvling content goes, I'm pretty sure everything in the game is unbalanced right now due to the stat squish for BFA. Some older raid bosses are too tanky, or do too much damage and I wouldn't be surprised if some areas or mobs in the game aren't yielding the exp they should be.

[@hazer3248]

i honestly dont believe this that end of dungeon bonus was one of the key reasons you wanted to do a dungeon especially at a low level how much do they want too slow levelling down

[@Jburtonsemo1]

They did address some problems just today but I’m not sure what they r doing. Cuz it’s not fixed right nor do maybe in a future hotfix. Crossing fingers!!

[@PatrickHitler-gn1lk]

so what would be the best way to level now ?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Currently working on it haha

[@PatrickHitler-gn1lk]

Jburtonsemo thank god been searching every for what to do but idk so I just do dungeons lol

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I completely agree. Ive got some ideas lined up, just gotta test em. And hoping to have a full guide out before bfa launches

[@randramb]

I normally enjoy your guides, but I have a queztion.. you got any good way to get 42000 guild rep fast without 40000 quests? Boostalts available

[@mvhunter24]

Blizzard needs to address this asap, right now being the prime time people are leveling alts. It shouldn't take an hour per level after 60.

[@wenll]

Hey I think they reverted (some) of the changes in this video. 1. Rewards is showing "you may recieve this reward 1 more time today". 2. I am lvl 80 and its showing this for random mists of Pandarian dungeons 3. If I check the random (previous xpacs) it shows i can get the reward once per week Can you do some analysis and vid of this ability to queue for "current content" vs "older content" for your lvl and dungeons? It seems to me that they are trying to encourage you to run dungeons meant for your level bracket but give you the option to run older dungeons by expansion as well once per week. I am noticing each "expansion" bracket gives you reward satchels based on that expansion too. ***I don't see an option to run classic dungeons on my lvl 80 toons. MOP are the dungeons its telling me to run. I completely agree with you. Honestly in my opinion what they did in cata was the best. They had the system where you had a "daily dungeon" but you could actually do all 7 days worth in 1 day. So if you worked or wanted to get em all done on one day or something you could or do all 7 on one toon one day then all 7 on another toon next day and so on. I wish they'd bring that back. I loved it. And since it was capped at 7 dungeons per week (with bonus rewards) you didn't burn yourself out either.

[@wenll]

Also do you know if your lvl 81+ non dungeon lvling recommendations got nerfed? I am lvl 80 across all my alts and hav't tried yet...was just curious if you knew.

[@claudeducimo4865]

Thanks for the video. Blizzard is definitely resorting to underhanded things now. It's undoubtedly for $60 boosts and to keep people INSIDE the game for as long as possible. Rep grinds, gates, xp gutting, ect. So do you think Stockade 20-60 (at least I think that's what you recommended) is still fine or are the former two-account methods not worth it?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

As of right now the big end of dungeon experience isn’t being given at the end (but according to the interview today it should be) but maybe that’s only in random dungeon finder. But I did test today running an alt through stratholme and non of the bonus objective bosses gave xp and my alt gained like 2% of a level off the last boss. And same thing happened on my other alt in hellfire ramparts, no additional experience awarded at the end, just a small amount from the boss. So sadly unless they change anything, the carry method is dead =[

[@IntheeyesofMorbo]

i agree ive cut way back on playing alts and only gear them up a bit near the end of an xpac (i leveled them up using invasions and upgraded heirlooms to 110). just no incentive to do much beyond one main with all the reps etc. There is a sweet spot to leveling that i think they have exceeded with the last few patches.

[@claudeducimo4865]

a forum MVP five hours ago said "They hotfixed dungeons to give a lot more EXP last night, and by mine and other's testing, they are back to where they were in 7.3.5. " So wonder if anything is different.

[@andrelacombe2822]

I use two servers and I'm leveling characters on each...in Area52 the dungeon experience bonus is stated as weekly, in Dalaran the dungeon exp bonus is for each run .... think its just stuff that needs to be fixed ... btw max level characters on both servers are reset daily for dungeon bonus

[@smokingpumpkin]

Make new leveling guide pls, soo lost right now 😂

[@Tyler-mx6gc]

Benghazi it takes TOO damn long to level now...

[@smokingpumpkin]

For a guy who has 15 max lvled chars new leveling is soo annoying

[@kittycoconut101]

me too

[@Kerotos]

New Dlc coming ppl have to lvl. How can they earn more money? 60$ boost service! :D

[@MrRyuzaki18]

Same here, please !

[@schwartiful5578]

Agree to most points but I think you get it wrong. Maybe it's a test for upcoming classic levelling speed. Started tauren druid few days ago, using heirlooms simply because I got them, and got time for up to 4 hours a day to play. So far I reached 49 today. Questing with the new levelling zones is just so much fun and I like it, you can clear all quest without outleveling the zones, in fact, heirlooms make it pretty accurate to get to the next minimum level. Fights are not only raping through and you actually need to think about certain bosses or raremobs. Only played one dungeon so far, not gonna happen on my druid again. All of my other characters rushed through dungeons to simply get to endgame asap, misses so much fun and so many awesome quests and lore, I'm quite happy about changes. No hate or critism, great video.

[@tabuukiller13]

While a solid video the issue isn’t heirlooms or progression. While they’d help it doesn’t change the fact levelings tedious and boring past the 2nd or 3rd character. And every nerf just makes it worse. What makes it sting even more is they told us to go level for heritage gear and then hard killed it. They made it so slow it’s not even fun for 1 level

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I agree. With zone scaling l, more experience from quests could be more entertaining perhaps. Maybe.

[@tabuukiller13]

Jburtonsemo if they buffed xp instead of the universal nerfs plus scaling it would work maybe. Problem is they effectively screamed “let’s make the already slow and tedious speed even worse! But hey here’s pretty armour!”

[@BeardedHokage188]

I started an allied race and in less than 6 hours I went up almost 20 levels. I am playing a hunter, survival, and just doing quests while I wait for random dungeon. I just alternate questing and the dungeon quests. I am glad we cant just dungeon grind anymore. To me tanks and healers had the advantage all the time for the random dungeon. Secondly, I like the nerf where a higher level person cant level you to me that takes away the entire aspect of you leveling a character. Also people are charging for carrying people through dungeons which is less money that they are making. So I see a xp buff, when I turn a quest in and get 2-5 bars depending on the quest thats more than I have ever got with a quest outside of the dungeon. I do agree however they should not have removed the bonus xp from the dungeons that did hurt it a lot.

[@mathieuraquepas6612]

Bearded Knight ''i really like blizzard nerfing methods that i will never use or that will never affect me in any single way possible'' Thats basically what you're saying

[@BeardedHokage188]

Mathieu Raquepas no that’s not what I am saying did you really read anything or just skim and reply? I said I personally haven’t seen much of a difference I am leveling two classes right now that aren’t tanks or healers. I just think it’s going to require more ways to level now than being lazy. Which is what people wanted. Majority of people wanted to do more than dungeons or at least the people I play with. I do like being able to explore the zones from the past and still level without having to follow the “fastest” way or relying on others to power level me.

[@pickercharm]

Hi. I love your videos. I'm from Argentina. I'm having problems for leveling now. Whay do you advise from 91-100? I'm on draenor but i hate that expansion really bad. And i tried to pick up treasures but using 20%exp potion + heirlooms. I'm getting 2%exp per treasure. Any advise?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Hmm. Questing sadly is prolly the best bet. Just try to hit spires of arak at 96 to get the nice extra 20% home away from home experience buff. At 98 grab ur artifact weapon and then keep questing in draenor till 100 with ur new overpowered weapon

[@AuroraCorvinus]

Notice how this leveling nerf is introduced when Allied Races are put into the game?? Yeah, this is Blizzard's way of artificially extending content to keep people subscribed longer, instead of providing us with active content. The WoW team are such scammers now.

[@davidpotvin5551]

Hello sir, I just wanted to inform you that in today's Q and A they said that the weekly bonus for dungeons is still a daily bonus ! It's just a bug

[@Jburtonsemo1]

This is great news. With the many changes this is one we don’t have to worry on =]

[@verenov77]

Most of the points I agree with, even the heirloom idea. However, there are still enough non-heirloom slots that you can still replace items while leveling. However, with 110 levels to slog through, heirlooms are a must. Vanilla-style leveling (the slow pace, I mean) shouldn't be part of retail WoW. We have that right now with the 60-80 bracket, and it's horrible. Granted, most of this is due to level design, though. The "Do 2 quests, return, grab 2 more, run back to the same area, rinse-repeat" design in conjunction with the crappy XP rewards per quest is what kills this bracket. It's a freaking slog. For new players the "first-time" experience might be good, but even then it is jarring at how much worse it is compared to the revamped classic areas quest design and later Cataclysm+ quest designs (for pacing, I mean). Also, removing the Kara grind or "fixing" it really hurt those that wanted an alternative to the swamp-slog that is Northrend. I am still miffed about that, lol...

[@shadowthh]

Yea at this point my guess is they are nerfing this stuff so people get fed up and buy boosts which is dumb af if anything this makes me not want to buy boosts at all just to spite them

[@PattyIce93]

I love the old talent tree. You aren’t alone

[@stephenfoggin2716]

I like the idea about heirlooms as enchantments you can apply to gear.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I really love the idea but dang I’ve had many angry comments about my idea on heirlooms lol

[@stephenfoggin2716]

Well I think it would make perfect sense, making quest/dungeon gear relevant again.

[@MagnaGresh]

I totally agree with you. after the recent leveling nerfs blizzard totally promotes his level 110 boost.

[@wisperr704]

To be honest, i wouldnt be surprised if people found other leveling exploits before blizzard nerfs them and that will replace ramparts/karazhan.

[@jarlemalmin]

The leveling stuff right now is bugged. leveling have been painful going from level 60 to 69 has taken me 2 days. Stuff will be altered or fixed though so hopefully it will be fixed quickly.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

True that!!

[@screwlewse]

Thanks for the insight into some of that vanilla leveling experience. :) . I didn't know about some of those, like purchasing spell levels.

[@Ricky123abc]

if you enchant a set of heirlooms instead of copying them everytime you make a new character, you can get an even more ridiculous start boost right from level 1; think about 15 agility or crusader on two 1h weapons; that's an intense difference, especially the agility at lower levels since secondary stats scale way better at low levels

[@itsfreeto9916]

This is going to sound silly but what I do as a DPS spec is quest wherever and while I’m questing, I’ll que for random bgs and random epic bgs. If you win in that big, I find that you get just a little bit less than an end of dungeon completion bonus. If you can’t tank or heal then it may not be worth your time to try running dungeons. Start running bgs while questing and you’ll get plenty of xp, especially if you have warmode enabled. (10% xp boost when questing/killing mobs) recently, I leveled from 80-90 much quicker than 60-80 simply because I was waiting on que times which could take up to 30 mins to pop. This is the method I’m going to continue to use. Again, if you can tank or heal then your que times for dungeons aren’t as long so I can’t speak on how well xp gain is for those specs.

[@itsfreeto9916]

Bg* not big. Typed on my phone and autocorrect was being a pain.

[@jayv8452]

It's not a weekly extra xp just bad text. They corrected that.

[@paulonetto9652]

It seems now that the questing is the main path to level up, but the problem this creates, in my experience playing this game, is that questing feels like a "single player" game, and a bad single player game because almost every quest involves repeating some task X times. Like: "Kill x of that monster", "retrieve x of that item", "activate x devices", etc So during most of the time spent playing WoW I'm doing some repetitive task that my quest demands, and once in a while another player pass me by because he is also involved in his "single player" questing experience. It's very strange that the biggest MMO evolved to be such a solo experience, in my opinion.

[@AnEddisAirport]

Completely agree, What made fun leveling was the old talents and getting upgrades. That enchant heirloom thing is such a genius idea

[@Jburtonsemo1]

=]

[@Svilly12]

What made leveling fun was the fact it was a huge part of the gameplay. Now it's a very minor part of the gameplay, and is treated as such. All character progression and upgrades happen at max level, as it should. If you want to play a game where you feel there's a ton of progression throughout, play a normal RPG.

[@replays_gaming4200]

I agree with you on the talents, You can level up 5-6 levels until you get a new power and so "each level" sometimes feels like, ooh ok I leveled up, whoopee!, especially with the stat squash because the level up stats you get is so tiny you barely notice anything at all.

[@furkanbarut7137]

I think they do that because the whole idea behind the bfa is the war between two factions so they want people to do questing and clash with opposing faction which will create a fun questing-world pvp enviroment which also will populate the old maps which are deserted and create a more fun gaming experience for people rather than trying to hit max level as soon as possible and doing the boring dungeon grind. I hope they will do something about the max level gankers in low level zones doe

[@superioritycorp.6059]

I was already depressed because my truck and jet ski's got stolen in Sacramento yesterday. Now I hear this video is depressing.

[@Teeklin]

As a new player joining up to try and play with some friends who have been playing a long time, it's disheartening to know that even playing 3-4 hours a day for well over a month there's no way to catch up before the expansion drops. Getting two or three levels a day grinding out quests is boring at this point, they gave me gold for some heirloom gear so it's super simple to kill everything, every quest is the same old same old go kill X of these and come back, and I was just holding out for 58 when I could do some dungeon or another they could power level me through, but after 10 runs I had gotten half a level and we were locked out so...yeah. Hopefully the end game content is better than leveling, and hopefully I actually get to the end game content before I get bored to tears just trying to level up.

[@TripleTriadGuy]

They also significantly lowered the gold gained from bosses in dungeons so trying to get money at lower levels is a complete chore now

[@lahiena15]

What about leveling through bgs and skirmishes? 🤔

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Ur on to something! Lol

[@chavyn100]

I miss the old talent system myself. I do love my heirloom thought never having to replace them and never having to re transmog is awsome

[@BOBYBOBXD789]

As a brand new player to WoW, started a few weeks ago, this really sucks. lvling really feels tedious and is not making me want to pay blizzards subscription.

[@kuraidedman8601]

Simple. They want us to do war mode. Not spam boost dungeons.

[@ghadepimp4257]

Itemsquish also broke gear from 1-60 or even higher before the squish I could handle 5-6 mobs no problem on a monk now I can't even handle 2

[@riverfilms4548]

Totally right dude. They removed nearly all fun stuff in early levels. Additionally to your facts there were class trainers and teachers that you had to visit. Every 2 - 4 Levels you were excited to go back to a city to learn new stuff. Now that stuff is flying out of nowhere in your skillbar. You had Class Quests like the shaman quests. Every 10 levels you earned a new totem type. That was rewarding and amazing. The Warlock unlocked new pets and so on... All gone... every fucking piece that made the game so great is gone... Don't understand that.

[@julerylive736]

please let us know as soon as u know new ways to level fast especially from 30-80/90 (pandaria isnt as bad as classic and tbc/wotlk from im experience) it takes so long atm!

[@styfe6057]

Hey, I've been very on the edge about paying for a sub for WoW now that we don't have to buy the base game as a new player, but this leveling issue has risen up to my attention and been kinda waiting for the fix. How is it now with the hotfix? Shall I still hold out?

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Some of the big leveling tactics have been nerfed like carrying alts through fast dungeons and karazhan trash farm. But the random dungeon finder nerfs have been addressed and should be fine

[@styfe6057]

Hi, it's me again! I got did my first dungeons on the patch of BfA and boy, does it feel different. While doing the dungeons before the patch on the starter edition, I couldn't even keep up with the pace, now it kinda feels like it's a lot slower, what happened?

[@clintonschorn2163]

All I know is that I am getting a ton of experience for herbing and mining. Even in low level zones that I have out leveled give me a ton of experience. I am getting around 2k (4k rested) experience per node in outland and I am level 85. Before I was getting around 100 experience. For those wondering I was getting some khorium ore, but I am going to stick around for more since I feel more rewarded mining and herbing now.

[@Azrael79a]

I'm so glad I leveled up 1 of every class to 110 last month...

[@Cope_93]

got 6 at 110 and only 2 classes below 80 and thats because i dont like these classes so whatever :)

[@Wishy_vish]

Mage tower impetus buddy. It was real.

[@ASNS117Zero]

I wish I had enough time to level that many alts to 110 lol.

[@NIKJX]

Michael Ciotta I was planning on doing that 2 months ago and never did I am shrewd

[@Da5kone001]

ASNS117Zero everyone has the same amount of time, all that changes is how you prioritize said time

[@ipvp4fun]

Levelibg hasn’t been an experience for a long time especially with methods you’ve promoted. Changing talents properly for a boss or pvp situation feels good

[@foomp]

Ooh I definitely like that enchant idea. It is a pity that the need to upgrade went away. Specifically, the WANT to upgrade went away. I don't necessarily care for the idea of needing it (unless it's a massive difference). The enchants idea though would help a lot.

[@laidtorest387]

With the changes they made to recruit a friend, heirlooms and now this, it’s obvious that someone at Blizzard has totally lost the plot. I feel bad for new players.

[@silencegaming3227]

The experience added to the last boss is bugged as well it is being divided by all the players

[@jayv8452]

My problem with lvling is it takes way to long. As a player you need to be at end game quick because the ridiculous amount of grinding (which I like) you have to do at endgame is never ending. So you need to get to endgame as soon as possible. Nothing from 1-110 matters except maybe transmog. Rotation changes at endgame so that excuse is BS. I cause learning what abilities do what is good but you dont really get to learn how to use them effectively until end game.

[@RichardGAG]

"I can't use a wierd boosting strat that should not be a part of lvling" BROKEN! What?!

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Traditional leveling has become way too boring due to lacking rewards to keep you interested (in my opinion) so I am pretty bummed these methods were destroyed. Time to begin looking again for a new method that doesn’t involve questing in a zone I’ve done more times than I care to count :(

[@arellence3553]

You made a lot of good points. I loved Vanilla myself, and I will play when classic comes out. But 60 levels vs 120 is a BIG difference.

[@Salvadorrius]

I had a european account until last month, when I decided to join some friends on NA servers. I had one boost that came with BFA and that's it. Leveling up is so slow now, and I will never pay for the boost. I hope they will fix this thing soon.

[@Boxzzzn]

The leveling nerfs are extremely off putting for me. Considering I’m a somewhat new player and hate leveling. I’m trying to leveling but it’s so boring and off putting. I just got to level 63 and I’m extremely bored. The made level 30-60 so damn boring it took me a whole week to want to play again.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Drinking Game: Take a shot every time i say "Feels Great" or "Character Progression". Just kidding dont do it, you will die. This video was a bit less professional and more so about a Rant, its just something I feel strongly about. Future Videos will maintain my normal professionalism lol

[@arellence3553]

lmao

[@DD0922]

This was probably the most professional sounding rant I've come across.

[@aliens1990990]

😂😂😂

[@smashenYT]

Jburtonsemo i really liked it! I thought i was alone on this

[@archvaldor]

I really don't notice. God if this is your low point of your professionalism the rest of us youtubers are screwed.

[@amelvin32]

Why is Blizzard not responding on this? I hate to think this is just for selling boosts, but I am starting to think this is the model they are going for. Edit: I posted to early, before I watched the full video. OP basically complained on what I was complaining about and more.

[@Jburtonsemo1]

Some of the issues they did address. Supposedly u r supposed to get the end of dungeon completion bonus completely from killing the last boss (as in its combined into the exp from the boss) but I carried my alt through ramparts and stratholme and no bonus exp. not sure if that’s strictly for dungeon finder then. Hoping some changes happen

[@arpadertekes2252]

You have heirlooms and farmable elixirs for speed leveling. When it's about leveling change, they don't care that you want to level your 2231th alts quickly.

[@Necrorevan]

About Blizzard wanting to make you buy the levelling boost...well, i would agree, except that they make these cool heritage armor sets which you dont get if you use the boost, which is rather irritating. I mean...i dont get it. I can accept that they want to make you want to buy the boost, but then why make heritage armors obtainable only through "legit" levelling? Blizzard should, at the very least, make it up their minds, lol Great video, as always, Jburtonsemo, hope you can make another quick levelling guide someday. I want my draenor orc and fat human (and maybe a zandalar and ironforge dwarf) with their respective heritage armors

[@Jburtonsemo1]

I’m hoping to have a guide about before bfa drops!

[@royakard5561]

Im a old vanilla guy as well.. This current game doesn't have the same soul.. It just took grit and dedication to succeeding in vanilla.. Sad thing is I won't go back to it. I can only hope the new direction will be more achievement/reward friendly.

[@julerylive736]

currently trying to level a mage. needing 1h+ per level at level 62 currently (powerquesting). its a pain in the ass