JDCR Gets Cheated, My Thoughts On Leffen & The MainManSwe Says T8 Ranked Is Harder Than T7 Ranked

[@TheCrystalBlood]

I think TheMainManSWE is looking at it from a different perspective. You have to remember, our sus swedish man lives and breathes Tekken, so in Tekken 7, where execution was much harder and defensive options were much stronger, you had to be good at fundemental Tekken to rank up and get into those higher levels. And once you reached those, you had earned it. But now look at Tekken 8, the title that is less difficult to play and heat turns your character into a machine. All these mechanics have helped lower skilled players to bridge the gap with the veterans, to some extend, especially since the defensive options are weaker as well. So if you look at it from his perspective, since Tekken 7 was so much harder to play and master, his existing skillset allowed him to effortlessly outplay all his opponents, that were not nearly as skilled as he is in the game, meaning he had a much easier time to climb up the ranks and get God of Destruction. But now in Tekken 8, through all the added offensive systems that pretty much anyone can use, TheMainManSWE now has to work a lot harder to win his matches, because everyone else, that isn't necessarily on his level in terms of fundemental skill, has been buffed through the system changes in 8. That is why Tekken 8 feels easier for everyone else and harder for top players like him. Because everyone else got pushed closer to his level by default. I hope this explanation made sense to you, and of course I can not guarantee that this is exactly how he meant it, but it's the way I understood it from his video.

[@Santanazation]

I think you nailed it on what you said! I agree

[@munem939]

I definitely agree too! I'm at Bushin level and I run into players at that rank, running into a few Tekken Kings and Tekken Emperors, who just play like absolute monkeys and they get away with it because of the system changes and the character BS. Mainly Jin and Victor players, that I see a lot of. Saying that, there's also really good players there, that I see, and I'm like "How are they not higher?!"

[@ahmadbukhari3350]

you conveyed that beautifully

[@VillainessAO]

You said this really well

[@pite9]

You are right, but the problem is that TMM didn't phrase it like that. And I don't think he misspoke. I think he genuinely thinks it's the same for everybody. He even mentioned that some players he knew who were purple rank or whatever were having a harder time. Personally I think this debate is stupid since you're comparing a new game with a 7 year old game. Had they not remade the ranking system, then all of us would be 2 colors lower or so.

[@Gloopy-dragon33]

The tourney organizers compensated him by helping him with his travels in future competitions but its still not enough, they robbed him. Shambolic

[@MOOEY_DRAWS]

bro what? How is that not enough, on top of the bad press the TO's got for the situation? I understand its a giant flub and it was on them 100%, but to pay for their flights for future events for the rest of the year + having to deal with death threats due to the mistake and saying "thats still not enough?" Please, relax. I think that's more than enough, especially considering JDCR seems fine with the situation.

[@Dizintegrator]

@@MOOEY_DRAWS there are some things you can not fully compensate. Being robbed like that is one of them.

[@C_H_U_]

@@MOOEY_DRAWS stop being a sheep lil bro. Do you really think money is JDCR’s worry? He already has sponsors who pay for his travels, food, and room and board. Do know that this lost will have a negative impact on his sponsorship. In a game where MENTAL is everything this is a HUGE lost. I can only imagine what the hell is going on in his mind rn. Imagine trying to think for him and stating he “seems fine with the situation”. You should be an ashamed of yourself. An apologize and compensating for travel isn’t enough. This is beyond that now.

[@MOOEY_DRAWS]

@@C_H_U_ Dude the TO and AK himself made sure if he was okay, and he said he was okay. They offered him that token+ Probably refunded his entry, and the bad press from it all meant they have to learn from the experience. No one is telling JDCR to get over it. But to be like "Nah thats not enough, they need to do more"? What more do you want at this point? It already happened. The more that needs to happen is to prevent a mistake like that in the future. You are just vindictive and want people to be hurt over this, when JDCR (the victim) is seemingly content with things. Again, relax.

[@Kits-sama]

@@MOOEY_DRAWS don't bother with these mongrels mate. Mofos just complain online coz they are anonymous here. The usual "I am Victim" woke mindset are always on the works when everyone's anonymous. Imagine being compensated so much yet it still enough. Even JDCR accepted it already, who tf are them to even complain lol. SJW tryhards

[@Urbanboy732]

What Harada should do is make a no Heat game mode. Similar to Injustice 2's Competitive mode.

[@RealMikeHollow]

After this week's stream, I'd be more than happy with that.

[@lucastonoli3256]

Shit opinion, heat is fine

[@Ro-fw3lc]

Damn,urbanboy is getting into tekken? That's surprisingly lol

[@Urbanboy732]

@@Ro-fw3lc I wanna learn Lee

[@Ro-fw3lc]

@@Urbanboy732 ah hell naw,I thought you were gonna go something like leroy or kazuya lol

[@Ravemaster620]

As someone who played a lot of Smash back in the day and was fairly involved in the smash community, I would not tell anyone to get involved in that community. Its full of people who just suck up to the top brass, which is a giant circle jerk in of itself. Technicals' videos prove a bunch of this bs. The community will claim to "hold players accountable" but those same players will have pasts that they would condemn others for but hand wave it away. It soured my mood towards the community as a whole, the lack of accountability mixed with the victimhood complex and the want to be taken seriously is just laughable

[@kingzfull3701]

And no deodorant.

[@SonDripku]

I couldn't believe when I saw the JDCR match. I was actually piised because if that was me, I'm fighting everyone

[@RealMikeHollow]

Hands are being thrown 😂

[@NuggyPoundy1]

what happened

[@MerkNasty]

@@NuggyPoundy1 Watch the video, goober. He literally shows what happened.

[@Seducier]

Shit is wild.

[@jasonnash4452]

first the tourney is 50000 dollars. secondly dude came from korea to comepete. he got screwed period.

[@Technicals]

Since 30k? That's crazy! Appreciate the coverage 💯

[@RealMikeHollow]

Yeah, man. Locked in when the fro was fully out 😂 thanks for your videos. Always a good watch ☝🏾

[@KeithKillingly]

Lol people were talking about rank inflation when we were in t7 too. It’s the same topics literally every game. News flash: it’s easy to rank up when the game is newer because there’s so many casuals. Casuals fight other casuals, they rank up. It’ll get harder when they all phase out. T7 didn’t have a super successful launch but it was the same thing

[@HoDoBoDo]

I honestly think it is equally as hard to rank up in T7 and T8. I main Lars and it was a journey to get to True Tekken God in T7, and in T8 I haven't even hit Tekken God yet. It's quite hard in T8, but T7 is also just as hard.

[@supersalty_9459]

Bro the smash community is far worse than you think 😨

[@marselluswallace2175]

Sadly

[@RealMikeHollow]

I'm aware 😂 Smash Community is a whole other kettle of fish.

[@supersalty_9459]

@@RealMikeHollow that one mess up fish i tell ya o.o

[@yungslack7311]

I dont even know why this is the case Smash is the most basic tic tac toe fighting game

[@crisalcantara7671]

@@yungslack7311 it just 2d back and forth on fall off stages lol

[@Emetemem]

I watched MMSWE's video and I think he was trying to say that Ranking up in high level is harder in Tekken 8 than in T7. Beginner to intermediate level is %1000 easier, but TGod - God of Destrucition is a complete log Jam of the best players on the world, so a lot high level players get demoted to Tekken King/Tekken Emporer ranks

[@thephantazm5139]

Yeah i felt like this video was disingenuous

[@sergeykushyan9857]

The JDCR situation is even worse when you consider that top 8 auto qualified for the EWC i believe

[@RealMikeHollow]

I didn't even know that ☠️ that's awful.

[@DaPhenomAce]

I wish in lobbies you can change the rules, no heat, no rage, or no floor breaks, double damage etc. But nope we got to play Tekken one way and one way only

[@domooooooooooooooo]

this would be cool bruh

[@whydoyoukeeptalking]

That would be cool but you sound like a Smash player

[@Netami923]

What's wrong with floor breaks?

[@catburried8861]

so u wanna play tekken 5 or sumfin?

[@bousch8253]

@@whydoyoukeeptalking thats something a smash player would say 🤔

[@shadowofthenorthstar989]

imagine if this happened to JDCR if they were fighting in a grand finals million dollar tournament .....

[@carlosaugusto9821]

Imagine if this happens again in the grand finals of that esports cup

[@gjisahappytoad9408]

You should cover Technicals recent video on Leffen. Bro is menace beyond words even Shambolic.

[@RealMikeHollow]

I watched it but I don't think it needs covering. Technicals hit every point needed, and he's seen this video as well. I'm sure it's not the last we've heard of Leffen.

[@blackmanta2527]

Alex Jebailey literally made a post (about 3 years ago) appreciating sony for having a tournament mode on ps5 that turns off blue tooth . Then this happens at his event 🤣👍

[@Ahope124]

Cuzz its bugged

[@user-hn1xu5sn8p]

​@@Ahope124the TO never turned the setting on

[@Ahope124]

@@user-hn1xu5sn8p im talking about it in general, it disconnects even wired controllers randomly

[@reservationatdorsias3215]

Whats crazy is that heat was infinitely stronger when it was first revealed. When the heat would use tokens instead of the actual bar.

[@RealMikeHollow]

That was an absolute disaster 😂

[@TrueSycho7]

When I got to raijin/fujin I was stuck on those ranks for days dribbling up and down . I reached bushin and got to tekken king in like 1 sitting . Really feel like less than 3/4 hours . I wish it was a more drawn out process , it feels like a lot depends on luck honestly . Like you either get a fish you can slap around or you become the fish . But bushin -> tekken king was definitely my easiest rank up in that category

[@Santanazation]

Yeah sometimes you get weird players that are weak on braijin or bushin and then you get a fricking powerfull player on battle ruler that can break and punish everything. I really feel this is luck

[@kylecairns2847]

To Mainman’s point; in my opinion, what side of the argument you fall on depends largely on whether you play a character that can take full advantage of T8’s system mechanics or not. This current build of Tekken 8, and those previous, still overtly rewards aggression. If you play a character with strong movement, stance mixups, built in evasion, plus frame tools and strong heat then you’re going to fare better than someone who doesn’t main a character that benefits in the same way. Think about it: not only are you playing a character who can’t use those tools themselves, you’re also queuing against characters that do. Contrastingly, if you do have a main that has most of, or all, those tools, it’s never been easier to run over people than it is in this game. Plus, you get to enjoy the occasional matchup where you queue against a Paul or a Bryan that can’t run over you the same way the top tiers can. In short, TMM plays Kaz, DVJ and Bryan to a higher standard than you so he thinks ranking is harder than it was. You play Feng, arguably a top three character, and you find it easier than it was. Both can be true.

[@ThatPinkOtter]

I think TMM is on the money, but I also think that there's a huge difference between a TG Bryan, Asuka, Kazyua Paul and Steve and a TG Victor, Drag and Feng. Until 1.5 happens and characters that were left behind in terms of offensive bullshit are given better tools to run a more defensive gameplan characters like Kazuya will have to work significantly harder to achieve ranks than someone like Jin will. And just for the record, I play lots of FGs at a high casual-competitive level-- Casual in that I only do locals since traveling and taking time off work is just not in the cards for regionals. In T8 I play Asuka and am still bouncing between TG and TGS, but I've also played Tekken for ~15 years and have played Asuka for most of that time only swapping to Lidia when she came out in T7. The ONLY reason I bring this up is to make a point: It took me so much more time and effort to get that rank on Asuka than it did for me to do it on Drag, Jin and post-buff Zafina who I think is insane rn. Feng like Drag and Jin will 100% inflate your rank, you have a simple, effective gameplan that benefits from the newly implemented systems in T8 which can't be said about your Pauls, Asukas, Kazuyas, Bryans and Steves. The effort required to win a match is SIGNIFICNALTY lower than a character that struggles to run offense due to a lack of effective offensive tools. Some of these tools include plus on block armor crush heat engagers, plus on block WR2 that has chip damage and leads to multiple frametraps for full combo, fast and effective low pokes ESPECIALLY when they lead to big damage on CH and well basically plus on block bullshit with more bullshit frametraps that lead to 70+ damage. Bryan, Asuka, Kazuya and Paul have none of this, they're all traditional keepout or bait and punish in a game where that style of play is at an extreme disadvantage. There are plenty of very good characters that aren't used for lots of reasons. Feng's is he's boring/has no interesting gimmick and he's just a tiny bit harder than unga bunga WR2 frametrap Drag/Victor. Without any real appeal in terms of his kit all that's left is his effectiveness, and when you have to learn a little more on him than you do on two others who are just as good as him if not better, why would any casual player pick Feng?

[@chopsuey004]

These videos are always nice to play in the background whilst I’m at work. Good stuff

[@RealMikeHollow]

Thank you, that's very kind ☝🏾

[@ZaibatsuuHQ]

No heat = no carried Fengs at Tekken King with 40 defence lmao

[@Jurgir09]

Skill issue. Go back to T7

[@ZaibatsuuHQ]

@@Jurgir09 Skill issue? I'm Tekken Emperor with Kazuya but stopped playing ranked, so yeah, "skill issue". In T7 they won't be able to even touch me with no fundamentals, they're carried now with those mechanics. I guess you're one of those Fengs who got reality checked.

[@jchoi9340]

@@ZaibatsuuHQAny time anyone makes a legitimate argument that hurts someone’s feelings, they cry skill issue or make up some bs to lash back. There are a lot of weak asses out there smh. You may have called out Feng, but expounding upon your point to carry characters in general with players having zero defense and mashing flow charts is completely valid.

[@Vespyr_]

'Heat is not a needed mechanic in this game..." Jun players: 💀

[@M00NBULLET]

You spelled Drag wrong lmao.

[@YourTamedLion]

The timing of the controller issue was EXTREMELY obvious. It was like well timed plug online during the last combo when they think that they are about to lose. Doesnt mean it was with knowledge of AK. But it would be naive to think this exact timing was just random. Sabotage 99,9%

[@RealMikeHollow]

Would be a massive shame if they did actually sabotage JDCR.

[@tygerkid]

I feel like the skill gap and heat cop outs makes purple and blue ranks hell from the unpredictability

[@Darthn0va86]

Always a good day when you see a Mike Hollow upload! Only commenting on the end but i can say its been way easier to rank up in T8. I ended T6 at Sage, ended T7 at Yaksa (did take 3 years off) but i hit Raijin like within the first month or two with this game being out. Definitely easier now.

[@RealMikeHollow]

Thank you for watching, sir ☝🏾

[@tavianfloyd6589]

As someone who is legit just not very good at tekken 8, ranking up is way easier in this than previous game. I cant lie, sometimes it feels like theres a luck element to ranking up rather than actually improving at the game. I cant speak for higher ranks but if you have a decent grasp of the system mechanics you can probably make it to fujin just by playing long enough. There are multiple people who have never played a tekken game before making it to fujin so it really cant be that hard.

[@XNDL44]

I genuinely feel like I improved from Tekken 7 to Tekken 8 and my main is weaker now (Asuka). One of my Tekken 7 goals was to hit the red ranks and I never did. Currently a Fujin ranked Asuka player, but I still have much to learn. Getting a rank back after a demotion feels much more lenient in Tekken 8 though

[@ferneyzacarias1635]

Super fun tournament!! Caught your stream for a while can’t wait for the next one!

[@RealMikeHollow]

Should be Sunday, dude. Thank you 😊🙏🏾

[@PillowSensei]

I think a massive part of ranked that people aren't understanding is that the system isn't supposed to be the same as before. It's really easy to go "I didn't hit this rank before, this game boosts people" but like. If we aren't making the same points and also have less real tanks to begin with... What do you expect??? You can't demote past warrior, of course you're not gonna get the same spread of players amongst all of the ranks lol. We need to let it balance itself out and see where it goes, we aren't too far into the game at all. Also seasonal rank resets would be amazing

[@KavemanFGC]

Currently at kishin rank. Definitely could not have gotten that in tekken 7 this fast. However I did go back to tekken 7 the other night and after playing 8 a lot I feel like I have a lot more tekken knowledge in general. I didn’t start taking the game seriously until 7

[@Gogemare]

17:33, There been a lot of mighty rulers that wasn't good i've faced, I was confused😮 but I remember max dood mentioned that there is an easy flow chart in the game.

[@JorgeMartinez-dp3im]

Solid vid Mike. Though as a newcomer to Tekken I disagree with your dislike of the heat mechanic. Though I will say that the health recovery aspect of it needs to be hella nerfed. The aspects of it I like are access to a powerful single button "super", the "armor" aspect of the heat enchager, and access to variations of my move set. Lars main btw.

[@spiralflame88]

Someone suggested that the devs should give the players the choice of playing with Heat System or Rage System when selecting a character. I think that would be a very interesting.

[@via_negativa6183]

That would be wildly unbalanced in heats favour unless they bought rage drives back.

[@spiralflame88]

@@via_negativa6183 No doubt! However, you can start balancing the Rage System as well. Gaining rage sooner or chip damage during rage. It will take some balancing, but I think the community would be in favor of it.

[@Howfoolish.]

The no heat tourney sounds very fun, hopefully will be able to tune in and play next time!

[@RealMikeHollow]

Will be doing it on Sunday bro!

[@bkbam_gaming]

It’s unfortunate what happened to JDCR but they followed TWT rules to where the round counts were made identical. The rules don’t say that the health has to be what it was when something like that happens

[@Kunnazy]

Honestly I wish Heat kinda acted like a burst mechanic. Feel too pressured? Heat burst to get them off you or use it was a combo extender. The trade off being you only get one Burst per round.

[@minxy6121]

I'm confused. Isn't that exactly how it works already?

[@Kunnazy]

@@minxy6121 Kinda, just remove the meter system with all the dumb mashy buffs.

[@KN-592]

14:32 that shoulder will never get old its so funny

[@jeffreymaxson6216]

Why is there not an option to disable the home button during a match?

[@RealMikeHollow]

I've always wondered that myself lol.

[@NotChillin]

I think TMM was comparing ranked now compared to ranked around launch.

[@via_negativa6183]

Tekken 8 ranked is harder in the sense that it's way easier to be scrubbed out by random shit. But I've also found it way easier to rank up in cause that point works in your favour as well cause ive best a lot of players who are clearly better than me just by sheer momentum. I think what it comes down to is the ranked systen itself. The numbers skew it heavily in your favour until the highest levels.

[@benbelap]

I've ranked 4 characters to flame ruler and my 2 main characters are Raijin and Fujin. The highest I got up to in Tekken 7 was eternal ruler and that was at the end of the Tekken 7 life cycle. It's much more frustrating but easier to rank up for sure

[@kilochampion787]

(Writing this after the release of Patch 1.0.5) I have been demoted 100 times in both Red and Purple. We’re all struggling in our own way, yelling at different characters that some of us might not see as a big deal. I’ll be real, Heat does make things easier to some degree. It’s like a burst of wildfire, but like all fires eventually it burns out. Eventually the game reverts back to that classic Tekken feeling you described and you have to rely on skill more. I’m also relatively new to Tekken so take my opinion with a grain of salt. Tekken 8 is easier than Tekken 7, but I don’t think Heat is that much of a crutch. It definitely helps, but it’s also been my worst enemy simply because I used it wrong. Basically, I got outplayed because of how I used Heat. I think now it is kind of a new learning curve that forces me to re-strategize how I play. In all honesty I like that about this game. It gives me a reason to return to the lab and discover new things, and I feel like a few fighting games really do that for me. But hey, I dunno any better. I main Jin and maybe I’m carried hard by my discount electrics so I plead…please sugarcoat it if you’re gonna tell me how wrong I am please.

[@joeyrivera7003]

As a person who watched the whole tournament over the weekend it’s a shame that this is the one thing that most people will remember, from a weekend of great high level tekken I also felt that Ak should’ve had some integrity and realized who lost and moved over and let jdcr advance imo also jbailey has said the he will do all he can to get jdcr to as many tournaments as possible. Also I would’ve never. Imagined the smash scene was worse that than the mk one great vid

[@senX]

i was hoping you'd cover this! didnt even watch yet but lets go!

[@IceBeam93]

really excelled in Tekken Tag 2 because I put a lot of effort into understanding the game's nuances. My wild, unorthodox style often caught people off guard, and many players didn't appreciate it. With Tekken 7 returning to 1 vs 1 matches, the focus shifted back to fundamentals. You needed solid basics and couldn't get away with mashing. I didn't enjoy the game as much because the addition of 2D characters and new characters like Lidia, Leroy, and Fahkumram felt unbalanced to me. In Tekken 8, reaching the GOD rank was a struggle. The game simplified things too much, which took away some of the challenge I enjoyed. Although my mash style from the Tekken Tag 2 / Tekken 6 days helped me adapt, it was still incredibly tough to reach GOD!

[@wubxii]

I'm a new fighting game player, with Tekken 8 being my first real Tekken game (I played a little of T7 but never really learned it). I started playing around 1 month, maybe 2 months ago now? And I'm Fujin with Bryan. But when people talk about the rank system being easier in this game than the last one, isn't legacy Tekken experience really good to have going into the next Tekken game? I come from more of a hardcore FPS background, and picking up a new FPS game is always very, very easy for me to do well in compared to anything else. So, I'm curious about how much easier it is for people who have been playing Tekken for a long time to pick up the next Tekken game compared to those who don't play a lot of fighting games. I wouldn't imagine it would be that hard for a player to reach or even be above the rank they were before in the last game, especially from what I've been told about how little these games really change sometimes with characters and other mechanics. I'm mainly just really curious

[@leiferickson9225]

There is a lot of changes in T8 compared to previous tekken games that don't really give advantage to legacy players. One example I can give is in tekken 8 running your offense is much easier with moves that give frame advantage. In previous tekken games not every character had the ability to bully opponents like in tekken 8 so playing defensively was stronger. Being good at previous tekken meant that your defense was at a level that it was very hard for your opponent to open you up. That play style doesn't translate well in tekken 8 because the new mechanics make it so that you will get opened up regardless of how good you are defensively. To sum it up previous tekken was about who made the fewest mistakes wins, which favors legacy players. In tekken 8 the one who gets to start their offense first has the higher chance of winning which gives new players an even chance against legacy players.

[@RealMikeHollow]

Legacy knowledge gives you a leg up on your competition for sure, but the heat system has flattened a lot of that out because it can stop a lot of things at the press of a button so skill becomes less of a factor.

[@lilbongchainz2870]

Yo mike, just a thought - I have 2 accounts, my main account where I have about 6/7 characters in high blue ranks, and the difficulty level is insane - im always matched up with GoD's etc and I have an account with just Nina, and I absolutely battered everyone up to tekken king. If youre only playing with Feng maybe youre getting the alt account experience I had. And I imagine Mainman is getting my main account experience?

[@Ronbotnik]

this is actually a really good point to consider

[@alexzandermanning6094]

How do you make multiple accounts ?

[@lilbongchainz2870]

@@alexzandermanning6094 ps5 just make a new profile

[@alexzandermanning6094]

Ah i am on steam

[@RealMikeHollow]

Yeah, that's possible. I've basically breezed through ranks with minimal play time so it's weird to me when I hear people saying it's harder now.

[@ThatPinkOtter]

One reason people struggled in TT2 and T6 has a lot to do with FGs having much more accessible information and them being much more understood than they were in TT2 and T6 days. Another is that you've also played the game for over 15 years, of course you're going to have an easier time ranking up. It was easier for me to get TGS in T8 than it was for me in T7, I didn't make it that far in T6 either. I also sucked at FGs when I played T6. I was bad at ArcSys titles when I played BBCT, but by time GGXrd and BBCF were out I had no issue getting into higher ranks, and with DNF's release I made it to Deity 10 within the first 2 weeks on the 'worst' character. It was 10 years of learning skills that benefitted me in other similar titles. New players to fighting games likely aren't going to be in Kishin, not unless they're extremely dedicated to learning. FG players that are new to Tekken can absolutely make it to Kishin though, it's the equivalent of someone going from Fortnite to Apex as opposed to Animal Crossing to Apex.

[@spiralflame88]

My total Steam hours for T7 is 111, which is fairly low. I made it up to Garyu, which was okay. I picked up the game later in the game's lifespan right before Lidia became available and I played the game for several months. My total Steam hours for T8 is 187 and highest rank so far is Kishin in a little over 3 and a half months. I think I developed faster in T8 because content creators made it so much easier to learning the game. Granted, T7 had some people doing tutorials as well, but there was a massive influx of newer players with T8 that getting help was much easier.

[@thelastgogeta]

Great topics this evening but the first one is the most interesting for me. I'd like to see some highlights from the matches without heat. As cool as playing default is and as much as the game was "balanced" around it, it isn't like that has to be the only valid way. (Heat in Tekken is mostly additive rather than infused into all of the core systems like Stun, Dashes, Defense, EX moves, Chip Damage like SF6 - so SF6 could become "better" in some ways with it removed but it would have severe implications besides being boring and barely SF. Rage Arts could also go without making a massive impact I assume.) Street Fighter recently got some bonus modes besides having version/speed/handicap select for decades. Tekken has had Ball on and off for ages besides items and gimmicky stages. Naruto GNTEX3 is actually better balanced with higher damage than default from what I can tell. Smash is definitely not the most fair competitively with default settings and you can also make it more fun with some thought. Smash Melee had a Single Button Mode back in 2001 which was probably excessive but still a funny challenge mode if people thought spamming special moves was excessive. Giant Melee is also a legitimate alternative meta.

[@alexzandermanning6094]

I think consensus is not a static concept and things can definitely shift . At the beginning of the game it was easier to rank up , because of all of the casual players . First couple of months on Tekken the steam count was like 50k a night . Now it’s like 10k. Who do you think remains ? The casuals it’s the sweats? But now that casuals are gone, and the change to prowess based match making, getting an alt character to Fujin is about the same amount of work as taking your Fujin main to Tekken King because you’re playing against the same players on thier alts now as you were playing in blue ranks .

[@Omar12521]

i typed in this comment on mainman video and im pasting it here he failed to mention the fact that "rank" acutally begins at fujin since fujin and above are the only ones that u lose point more than u win anyone can reach fujin with time since ranks that are lower than fujin gives u more point that u loses so in due time u will reach there without any problem and its not a "rank nflation" its more or less that anyone can pilot tekken 8 easliy more than previous games idk what u call it "skill infaltion?" lmao. what i mean is its way easier to be good at tekken in terms of tekken 8 standard but not the same at T7 u need a way demanding fundamental skills to reach a rank like fujin but in T8 u dont it require less also keep in mind that from region to region skills differ in NA a tekken king equals someone like fujin in europe in terms of inflation i think NA has that lmao

[@karelkantelaar1357]

The crazy thing about the JDCR match that noone is talking about is that the previous game when he was about to win someone tried to do the same thing ? Idk how we are overlooking this when it happened on stream and the pop-up showed that someone was trying to connect the controller when he was close to winning the last set

[@RealMikeHollow]

I had no idea. If that is the case then yeah, I'd give more credence to the idea that someone was going for him.

[@karelkantelaar1357]

@@RealMikeHollow ill tag you on the post i made on X let me know if im trippin or nah lol

[@songoku2711]

Oh absolutely! Years of playing Tekken 7, between PC and PS4, the highest rank I ever got was Fujin with Lei. In 1 month of playing online PS5, I've hit Bushin with Feng. It's definitely so much easier to rank up in 8.

[@auroranamex5886]

I really liked watching no heat tekken tbh it has that cool t6 vibe no rage arts would probably bring me back to playing this game I'm a tekken emperor Yoshi and I quit cause matches started to feel too repetitive with heat constantly creating the same situations

[@KN-592]

5:40 they should hard reset the Bluetooth after gaming, yk the small hole in the back of the controller, dualshock 4 at least had that

[@shindig9000]

I did here talks of the organizers helping out jdcr in terms of possibly helping him with travel expenses to other qualifiers or something similar. I think they made the best call they could. The rules exist for a reason I suppose. This is essentially the same take PhiDx gave.

[@ryu1rk]

Mainmanswe struggled in Tekken 7 for a while. I remember when he first got Mighty Ruler. He was so happy and proud that he avoided playing rank for a while, and he was so scared to lose his rank that he played from a different account. Then he got over it, but he didn't really progress till season 3 of Tekken 7, maybe towards the end of season 2. I think Tekken 8 is easier because of the heat system depending on how good you were in 7. I got Tekken King in 2 in a half months of Tekken 8. I got Tekken King in season 3 of Tekken 7. Also, there are fewer ranks in Tekken 8 and a different point system. That may play a part in getting higher ranks easier in Tekken 8. Plus, blocking people and rage quitting helps some players, lol

[@theturtle4423]

I had more fun watching No heat gameplay tham actually playing the game myself

[@RealMikeHollow]

What a difference it made 😂

[@masterpiece4975]

This is my first Tekken I chose to actually grind out… I’m at Tekken god with Victor & I had 17 game win streak yesterday in ranked. I don’t feel like I’m as good as the players I’m playing but I still beat them. I beat 3 people in a row yesterday who I will not name that all have KZbin channels & are streamers & have played in tournaments. So yeah I agree that this game is easy because I probably shouldn’t be beating them but who knows maybe I am just a natural

[@Nightmare-ro9fn]

I like that stipulation of Tekken 8 without Heat. That looks so much fun and less overwhelming than before.

[@marlinmurrell620]

As far as ranks go, i think it's a bit of both. But i noticed it's a lot harder for me to get through yellow ranks with my secondary. My main is in red ranks, but i can barely get out of Warrior rank. But maybe that's because of the Tekken Prowess matching thing. The game keeps prioritizing Tekken prowess lol

[@olav_]

the reason why mainman is saying that is because you had no infinite rematches so he cant just farm weak players since its always max ft2. so short version you cant choose your opponents as much. you can still one and done better players but youll only get 2 wins vs the weaker ones MAX.

[@Izaiah-oq7ce]

This is pure fanfic lol

[@reservationatdorsias3215]

He? Why would mainman farm weaker players? He literally streams for a living, he has no reason to fast track.

[@jamessummers5936]

​@@reservationatdorsias3215Oh my sweet, summer child...

[@xravenx24fe]

​@captaintacosauce3220Not really, he's always been known as a cherry picker and a lose quitter, he literally does it for everyone to see on stream lol

[@alan133]

stupid take. I dont care if you one and done, as long as i get the death match and beyond guy who i can spend an afternoon learning his character and matchup. The BO3 is why you get fujin and above rank guy who cant launch a launchable move. Weak players will one and done regardless of rematches and I dont care about weak ass c#nts like you. I want my death match back.

[@trueultimagod2465]

I got to Fujin only losing 4 times in purple ranks, but in 7 i was having an easy time in ranked on both ps4 and Xbox in red ranks, but i dropped the game before i hit any plateau, in 8 I don't know how high i could climb either. So I don't really know if it's harder or easier, (in fact i had more trouble in 8's red ranks than 7, that where i lost the majority of my games) but I will say it takes more wins per rank to rank up in 8 and I did fight high blue ranks in 7 that didn't know how to do a single combo they were usually using Alisa or Nina. So i don't know. TMM is roughly 40 years old, guy has aged very well.

[@cloud4876]

tekken 8 ranked is much easier, for comparison tmm also said (which is quite a good comparison) that fujin in tekken 7 is tekken king/emperor in tekken 8, since some characters are busted and heat and rage are the way they are anyone can climb in tekken 8

[@charlievazquez5124]

@@cloud4876I mean I’m Fujin KAZ so I think my rank is well deserved!

[@trueultimagod2465]

@@cloud4876 I think there is far more to it than that, i know a Kazuya player who was Emperor rank in 7 and is currently hard stuck at Battle Ruler. I think it's a bit more complicated than the higher ranks being a full colour grade higher than their Tekken 7 equivalent. Which is probably an attempt to ensure there is a good player pool in each area of ranked so you don't run out of players to play. I think the lower down ranks this is true, but once you start getting into blue it starts to level out with 7. I maybe wrong, but that's my take. I got a friend at Kishin who was Tekken King in 7 and he played all sorts of characters.

[@cloud4876]

@@charlievazquez5124 well you play kazuya, in that case it means fujin is tekken king given the state of kazuya rn

[@cloud4876]

@@trueultimagod2465 ya sure, makes sense since kazuya suffers really hard right now

[@smartcurry]

I honestly agree with tmm that people were blowing the whole rank is easier in tekken 8 out of proportion it’s easier with powerful characters but in general it’s not in T7 there’s a certain amount of points gained n lost in each rank bracket n it basically stays the same until you go to the next set of ranks on top of there being 2 more ranks in each bracket but in tekken 8 its honestly like gambling when you make it to red ranks and up because you lose more points if your in a losing streak on top of if the persons rank is high or lower than you but you also gain way more on a streak beating higher ranks than you but problem is that streak can be lost mid set so lets say you win lose then won in the set all your getting is the points back from the points you lost and back to square one and on top of that all the casuals are gone now so the people climbing up are the die hard fans that stuck around to get stronger mostly and the system in T8 is made to grant mercy for the lower rank because if the rules that applies to red ranks and above were for every single tier I’m pretty sure new people would be way more discouraged to pick up and learn the game

[@Shadowking117x]

Tekken 8's point system being wack is what makes it feel harder imo, but nah im seeing these Blue Ranks that would be Orange in T7. Im sorry but the lack of any fundamentals or Tekken sense im seeing at those ranks is CRAZY, and im no high level player myself but it was brutally easy to hit Blue. Also hopefully you do more No Heat streams bc I sadly missed this one which looked really fun.

[@RealMikeHollow]

Definitely gonna be doing more of them.

[@mnonodzilala8508]

I think it’s easier to get to a certain position not like purple and then it gets harder than 7 because the amount of mental stack is way higher in this game

[@ilikegeneric2340]

I was a yellow rank player the last time i played t7 with cheeseball marduk. I took a break at leroy release up till t8 and got into mighty ruler almost immediately. It's undoubtedly easier. I'm not touching purple in t7 with my current skill set. Let alone multiple characters.

[@Invader.Xim.]

You aren’t touching god either

[@JohnSmithson999]

My highest rank in T7 was Vangaurd, but now it's Battle Ruler in T8. I haven't improved much or switched characters so while I don't know if it's easier/harder to rank up, it's moreso the ranks themselves are not clear where the skill jumps are. Ruler Ranks are this games Green Ranks imo.

[@reeno0]

i think the reason its easier to rank up in T8 is also the same reason its harder. Rage art, heat smash/burst allow scrubby players to get constant plus frames, free damage, or just reset neutral completely. But you have to keep in mind you can also do the same scrubby things back to other players. Me being a new tekken player myself some characters are just generally better characters than others and the heat is just another plus on top for little timmy playing feng wei against a broken/nerfed kazuya. Kazuya has been my main since I picked up T8 and i struggled with him just now making it to mighty ruler as of last week. Paul being my second main I just made it to battle ruler as of today which was significantly easier even though he’s way higher rank than kazuya.

[@ssensei34]

I liked the no heat stream, but I think tekken 8 should still have it. Just improve how its being used so that we arent being bullied by plus frames and chip damage. I'm actually shocked the heat system doesn't have a defensive mechanic like how the yellow roman cancel in guilty gear so that you can use it in multiple ways and not just to force your offense on to people

[@SeveredWorldLore]

I've never seriously tried ranked in Tekken until T8. I only have around 120 matches and started from beginner. I'm currently at Shinryu, though I've barely been playing the game since launch month. Before, I only played with my brother and hopped on player match/lobbies. But I kinda get his argument in a sense, but I don't at the same time. Tekken is constantly getting easier, more players are coming in, people are getting better, and information is more available these days. Connect the dots. The skill ceiling came down, so naturally the top players would also be dragged down. I'd say it's a mixture of the T8 being harder and easier at the same time.

[@N00BSYBORG]

If Leffen wants a chance at redemption, then he deserves a fair shot, but he actually has to put forth the effort to show he's changed. You can't just say "I'm trying to be a better person," while continuing to act the same or ignoring your past transgressions. Leffen's shittalk goes beyond playful banter. They're very hostile, personal attacks that have almost nothing to do with the game. Leffen doesn't deserve death threats and I think there's validity to people dogpiling him over nothing because he's low hanging fruit. He's being disingenuous as hell though trying to act like the victim.

[@WhiteThugSav]

I’m not to sure if someone mentioned this already or if this is just me noticing it So when you loose in rank or win in rank. Did anyone notice that you loose less in points when you loose then when you win points. Like example, I lost two matches in a row and lost quarter of my current rank. Then one match I gain back of what I lost in when I won the match To me I feel theres not a big punishment when you lose, but a big reward when you win

[@Zadrac0006]

I know it’s not gonna happen but it would be interesting if players at tournaments used their heat at the beginning of the round and played once their heat was depleted. It would be a high sign to the devs that we don’t like heat

[@RealMikeHollow]

Can imagine Harada sitting in his house frowning extremely hard.

[@Zadrac0006]

@@RealMikeHollow it would def make a statement

[@mc_zittrer8793]

I think Swe was talking about the Prowess system of match-making. If he is, I agree, I think it's asinine to match people up by prowess, when they already play in Ranked. Why even have ranks then, if prowess is how match making is determined? I thought that Harada wanted this game to be as openly approachable as possible for new blood, but now they can't climb the ranks organically with each individual character they play, they basically have one character shoulder the burden of level ups, then after a certain threshold, *all* their characters start at like Fujin or somewhere in that league. The game has such a huge cast, and the devs artificially made it to where experimenting with anyone other than your strongest character is more trouble than it's worth, outside of Training mode.

[@RealMikeHollow]

The prowess thing is definitely a problem and doesn't actually make much sense when you look at the titled rankings.

[@DjGaiden]

Great experiment with the Heat System. Sucks that there is not a feature to play without it because the worst parts about Tekken 8 is pertained to that system. Outside of the animations I would rank it as a disappointing mechanic.

[@GTInai]

Oh my god. A no heat mode would make King's Running Exploder be an unstoppable force lmao. Back in Tekken 7, I had so many wins baiting people with that move.

[@econgblues626]

i played tekken 7 for 4 years and i plateaued at Mighty Ruler. i reached Bushin in tekken 8 in 2 weeks

[@justsomeshinigamiwithanapp5955]

Goated vid Mike What's the outro theme if you dont mind? Reminds me of naruto ultimate ninja

[@RealMikeHollow]

Thank you, sir ☝🏾 and you're on the money haha. Its from Ninja Storm and it's called Howling Butterfly.

[@justsomeshinigamiwithanapp5955]

@RealMikeHollow thank you! I love the storm ost's. Looking forward to the next video.

[@lordmathias5230]

I think ranking up in tekken 8 depends on your play style. The more aggressive, the easier it is to rank up, unlike in t7, where it rewarded defensive play like the main man so it was easier for him

[@XiaoGege]

I think Heat would be a lot better if it didn't have chip damage and Heat Moves getting plus on block. Some characters getting extra moves and enhanced properties is one of the more likable factors with Heat.

[@dechuggs9129]

Tekken 8's ranked system is harder and easier at the same time, it greatly depends on your character choice and playstyle. Picking up someone like panda in a ft 2 format, you'd steamroll most people. Picking up kazuya or steve in this game, you have to work 2 or 3 times as hard as you needed to do in tekken 7.

[@matrxzeno4761]

I will never forget the day Leffen told me off for saying throws in Tekken are fair.

[@RealMikeHollow]

😂😂😂 that's ridiculous. He's new to it. He should be listening to people that know better.

[@PrimalSlime]

My problem with heat is the engagers heal you for a big chunk, sometimes in rage at like 60%+ health

[@aadam3657]

mate your commentary is so soothing to listen to. have you thought of participating in audio books?

[@RealMikeHollow]

Haha that's very kind but I might end up putting people to sleep 😂

[@NeoZero85]

Not just heat, powercrushes are a huge problem as well

[@fa8053]

Another factor that people often forget to mention is the exploits that the ranking system allows. Not being locked into a best of 3 means that you actively select which matches you'd like to play out. Don't like a bad matchup or feel that the opponent is more skilled than you? Just skip the fight! At the other end of the spectrum, if you run into players are characters that you can easily handle, play out the set. It's completely and arbitrarily up to you. In addition, in worse case scenarios, you can even rage quit and prevent losses with impunity. All of these factors working together can easily allow a player to elevate themselves to a rank that where they have no business being there, and if you think this is me just theory crafting, just watch LTG work his magic. He managed to get his Victor to Fujin abusing these tactics.

[@KN-592]

9:52 bro I looked away I thought it was you saying it lmao

[@RealMikeHollow]

😂😂😂 could never be me.

[@KN-592]

@@RealMikeHollow I swear 🤣 💙

[@JJPurp]

Bro. I thought that was the point of having the heat meter. It adds more aggression and intensity. What about of all the heat engage moves?

[@RealMikeHollow]

It just adds annoyance for me. The heat engagers just become regular attacks.

[@ivanrodrigues3362]

This No Heat Idea Is Honestly Pretty Cool

[@LightningAlchemist13]

I was hoping you'd react to MainMan. I was going to say it in chat yesterday but you were way ahead of me 😂

[@kmking2000]

No heat in Tekken 8, that's genius!

[@wilford938]

They should just do it to where you earn the heat meter. Once it’s full you only get to use it once during the whole match.

[@krissrock]

I don't mind heat. If anything, I'd say they just need to make heat earned or timed in some way that ppl can't pop it round start. It's way less anything that drive rush. Sf would be much better w/o it

[@abirneji]

admittedly, in t7 I made it to tekken god, it took me like 3 whole seasons of grinding I made it to emperor in like 2 months in this game, but the difference is really that I'm better here than I was when I started 7 I do think this rank system is more punishing after blue ranks, but it's far easier for people to get to blues now also the balancing isn't as sound as it was in t7 after season 2, which may play a factor here for example, I have a friend who is new to combos and frames and ranked in general, but he made it to blues with law in a few months, the same friend is stuck in reds with bryan (I say season 2 because before then, t7 had a rank system so harsh people couldn't make it past red) I don't agree entirely with tmm, but I think he has a point for anyone above fujin

[@paulnguyen274]

I am a a Paul tekken emperor in T8 and was a tekken god in T7 (then quit playing). To be a tekken god with Paul in T7, you need to be good at defense and fundamental. In T8, there are many people, very bad at defense, are tekken king and above. T8 values attacking more than defensing. Huge chip damage and 50/50 casino in T8. There is no chance for me to beat pro players like Shadow20z, Joel Fury (I met them quite often online) is T7, but in T8 I can beat them if luck is at my side.

[@1432qr]

I do think it’s easier but I feel like not enough people take into consideration the time they put into t7 and how that translates to naturally just being better at the start of t8 and also the fact that the training system in t8 is waaaaayyyyyy more advanced than it has ever been so naturally people are just gonna b better

[@RealMikeHollow]

That's definitely true. My skills have increased a lot since then so something to consider for sure.

[@DummyChessman]

With the recent change in matchmaking, T8 Ranked is definitely harder especially for people who ranked up multiple characters.

[@subobruskrt]

I like heat, but i think they buffed aggresion way too much. We have armored moved, heat moves, moves that delay and then stun you, grabs, cheap lows, etc. I'm glad we are getting some defence because it makes some cool characters seem pretty scummy.

[@TheAciditty]

Tekken God Supreme was crazy easy for me with my main with 76% win rate, but that could be entirely regional. Mostly I don't even find people playing above my rank at all. Maybe he is matching in a high skill area? I can say that point loss at Fuijin and above hit pretty hard and without win streak bonus's your time to rank up would be a super grind fest and boring if your using multiple characters.