Is the new fuel keg 1lb tank worth it?

[@FrenchCheeto016]

Flame king has treated me right over the years. They sent me some replacement o-rings for free which was really cool of them. I use some of their narrow 14oz tanks as well. What got me onto them was I had been refilling the disposable ones for years. After refilling one day I had some I just finished filling sitting on the shop table. Heard some metallic tinging sound, looked over and one was expanding in the middle. I grabbed it and threw it out the door of the shop. It ended up popping. No flames or fireball but it scared me.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

I just order a 5lb cylinder from Flame King.

[@bigsmiler5101]

I cringe, shutter & tremble at all these "how to refill..." videos that fail to have the continuously blinking text on the screen "DON'T TRY THIS AT HOME." There is a reason it's against the Law and it's Not because the manufacturers fear they'll lose sales. At least do it with the tank AND NOT YOU inside an explosion berm. And please don't sell or give me one of your refills. Been there, done that.

[@Iknowonlywhatimtaught]

This is why a scale and not going over 1lb is so important. The disposal colmans are just that. Not made to refill. Just because you can and get away with it on some don't mean the all are fit to be recharged. Take nothing for granted. Someone's life may be at risk including your own. I have seen them blowup! And actually hurt someone very badly. I don't scare easy. Lets just say that day i learned a valuable lesson. I don't want to be disabled because i was stupid.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

@@Iknowonlywhatimtaught An empty cylinder weighs around 1lb.

[@dkf435]

Probably knock out the restriction filter in the home made one to make it fill faster

[@WayneTheSeine]

I am going to snag the Keg system now. It is available on Amazon....both the Keg and the Tank Kit. Yea, crazy not to considering the savings. I subbed.

[@betterl8thannvr]

The brass flame king adapter you mentioned is designed for use with a forklift cylinder, they absolutely do just sell the plastic refill adapter. Personally I use a generic refill adapter from Amazon with my flame king tanks and it fills them in around a minute. Flame king says it should be slower because it doesn't have the tab, but for whatever reason that's not how mine works.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Well I ordered the one that showed the plastic end and was sent the brass end twice. Was pretty disappointed

[@ChevyConQueso]

They also say theirs will fill faster, because they want you to buy theirs. : )

[@victoryfirst2878]

The funny thing about the old style propane tanks can be filled many times and they do not leak for a many fill ups. The new throw away propane have a cheap junk CHINAMAN Schrader valve. Please if I made any mistakes please let me know and educate me. The price of the tanks are in the 8 and up range. 😀😀 Nice informative video DJS Outdoors. Keep up the great and honest work fella.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Yea I've had them new tanks leak from the factory after being used a little bit.

[@rickywrenn]

Manchester makes the most heavy duty 1lb tank with a shut off valve. It is longer but it is the safest 1lb tank made for propane in my opinion. I have the FlameKing for applications the Manchester might be too long for. The Manchester uses a flat head screw for bleeding. The only place I find those tanks are EBay. They are very thick and heavy.

[@TacticalGrover]

Would’ve loved to see a finished weight comparison, just to see which fills better if at all

[@ChevyConQueso]

He's filling them till liquid comes out, so the only relevance would be comparing it to it's advertised capacity. They have a short dip tube that is set to the fill height, which is a physical verification that the liquid level is at the bottom of the dip. If it's squirting steady, it's there. If you cut it before steady stream, you'll have less. If you were to continue, it would just keep squirting propane out. Pressure inside the bottle and tank being equalized won't allow much more at all, unless there's a temperature differential, and you give it a lot of time, but that's exceeding the manufacturer's specification. Buy the one that has the features you like and advertises more capacity, if that's important to you.

[@Milosz_Ostrow]

(6:50) Bear in mind that not all propane fittings are the same. Some have flow rate limiters built into them to prevent accidents. If you want to refill the disposable cylinders quickly with a home-built adapter, choose components that do NOT have the limiters in them.

[@frequentlycynical642]

The limiter is built into the valve. Sheesh.

[@bryanstaten5585]

What is key with either of these is you fo not need a scale to safely fill them like you do if you arr refilling the disposable tanks.

[@thetinkeringold-timer6934]

On your homemade rig, if you use the fitting from a grill ( the 20lb tank connection) it has a steel ball to restrict the flow. I ran into this trying to use one. If you can't see light through it it has the restriction. I got one from ebay then drilled it to 3/16 for better flow. Works awesome.

[@asbestosfiber]

piece of string or wire on the end of an allen key going to the filler neck would solve the problem of it going missing

[@anthonycapobianco5615]

or a cheap, tiny neodymium magnet also helps to keep from losing that key

[@Cleo_and_Mark]

We have never had any issues with the plastic caps on the Flame Kings. We have five 1-lb. tanks and have used them for a few years now. Not having to worry about the hex key would be nice upgrade, although we keep hex key sets around anyway, since so many things need them. We use the stand from the kit every time we refill, and find it very easy to use (sit it where you are filling, put your valve on the 20-lb. and flip it upside down onto the stand). It looks like that fuel keg stand might take a little longer, with the multiple pieces. It also takes us just over a minute to refill the Flame King (usually a minute and 10 seconds), so it looks like the Flame Kings are pretty consistent on that. When you are filling it seems like that minute ten takes forever. I couldn't imagine having to spend almost twice as much time to fill them. I'm not sure if it would be worth the convenience of not having to grab the hex key set to spend almost twice as much time filling. Certainly it looks like either brand would be fine, and it is nice to see some competition in this arena.

[@johnlewisbrooks]

I just tried this and have good news! Flameking makes a hose adapter that fits both of these 1lb kegs with easy. The only strike against the Flameking tank is that stupid allen wrench! If it gets lost you cant refill properly until you find it! The trick is to magnetize the wrench and stick it or tape it on it until you need it! Hope this helps anyone! Totally new to this and am now ADDICTED to propane! My inner Hank Hill is creaming LMAO!

[@videopipeline6419]

It's helpful to put the allen wrench on a lanyard affixed to the refill adapter. That's easy if using an allen wrench from a set that had them attached with springs to a key ring.

[@ATfan23]

I purchased an Elkind T handle Allen wrench in 5/64 “ and keep it on a magnet attached to my tank stand....

[@glenndaugherity6187]

Great video ! I can make stands like the Fuel Kegs out of blocks of wood 👍👍

[@allkindsofoutdooractivities]

Thanks for showing the comparison. This would help me in my decision on which to buy

[@the03mach1]

Got a flame king one and the very valve that is meant to keep the bottle safe by releasing excess pressure and for refilling leaked when full, and I had to return it....went back to refilling disposable ones...

[@kimmichaels899]

Good move , I used throw away one for refilling for 20 years, I have never seen a bad one..😊

[@videopipeline6419]

Thanks for testing these. So, the new Fuel Keg has an over-pressure release valve (like disposable bottles) & a vent valve that will only open when it's screwed onto the refill adapter. The Flame King has no over-pressure valve & uses an allen screw for venting, which can be opened even when the tank is full.

[@JDSOutdoors]

I have a new video coming out this weekend showing that more in depth. Fuel keg is way safer

[@kendavis9832]

Where can I buy the Fuel Keg?

[@JDSOutdoors]

@kendavis9832 only place I have seen them so far is in the Midwest at a store called menards

[@JimmyNewCakes]

​@@JDSOutdoorsThat makes Menards sound legendary.

[@videopipeline6419]

@@JimmyNewCakes Menards stocks *many* items you cannot even special order from Home Depot or Lowes, and Menards prices are almost always lower on standard building materials.

[@Soli_Deo_Gloria_.]

Seen these at Walmart here in the Four Corners and thought those look sweet... I knew of flame king from Amazon, but just hadn't pulled the trigger yet on anything yet... Thought I'd go home and research the new Kegs first and am glad to see a good report... When I jump in it will definitely be the the Mr.Heater set up... They were $18 and some change... and the refill valve was about $22. Funny thing is, is that they aren't even on Walmart website yet... 🤷‍♂️

[@fidolokoteproductions9128]

Same idea as filling a 20lb tank that's how is done they bleed it as it being filled up good job

[@CrackerFL]

Great video! Just fyi, 1 pound of propane equals 1/4 gallon of propane. I had to figure that out when using my Mr Heater Buddy heater. One night on low would use 2 pounds/1/2 gal of propane. Helped me budget per day/month of use.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Thats awesome to know. My 60c a refill guess was pretty close then.

[@CrackerFL]

@@JDSOutdoors yes! I figured out it only cost $1.87 a day to heat my 144 sq ft yurt

[@JDSOutdoors]

@CrackerFL not bad at all. There was a yurt down the road that was just for sale. It was tempting

[@CrackerFL]

@@JDSOutdoors lots of head space in a yurt. I made it with tarps. Square one on top, then wrapped square tarps around sides. Put clear 4-6 mill plastic over top of tarp to prevent roof leaks. I don't know if yurt you are looking at is tent or house yurt. If house yurt, check building code on YOUR lot! Check what it would cost new. Ask why they are selling.

[@JDSOutdoors]

@CrackerFL it was a larger yurt I don't remember how many square feet but it was wood and canvas like the yurts you see on TV etc. It was for sale for 160k on 5 acres with well and septic. 2021 build selling because it was a failed air bb because this is not a good area for that.

[@zekenoscooter_8608]

The "brass fitting" on the valve you get from Amazon fits just fine. Trick is that it has left hand threads. The big plastic end that goes over the outside of the valve on the 20lb tank is normal right hand threads but on the inside it the valve, he threads

[@rickywrenn]

I’m thinking that the proprietary filler that depresses the valve insert during filling may be a safety feature that prevents the air bleeder from accidentally engaging. When you remove the filler, it springs back up closing the bleeder valve. If that is true, that is a good feature since it is a tool less bleeder which a child or bouncing around could release gas.

[@rytbeard]

@originaLkomatoast Good to know.

[@Dmbyers2002]

The brass ended fill valve is for refilling your tanks from a forklift fuel tank. There is nothing wrong with the product, it does fit a propane tank, your just attempting to use it in the wrong application. The way it works is you take it to work, and refill your bottles off of your companies forklift tank while no one is looking.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Yea but that's not what I ordered and not what the description says. Not once but twice. I do like the way you think to bad our forklift is electric lol

[@yolo_burrito]

With forklift cylinders you don’t have to flip them.

[@himhim3344]

I'd be lying if I said I didn't do this when I started at 5am and was the only one there

[@ramrod175]

😂😂😂

[@timlynch6271]

Terrible advice

[@williamvaughan1218]

Your nice homemade fill tool needs a larger slot in the schrader valve depressor because it was made to tap high pressure low volume. The top of the schrader valve is restricting liquid flow. in my opinion. Great video!

[@craigwavra3495]

Welcome back!! Good to see you back making videos!! Heard about these kegs!!

[@JDSOutdoors]

Thank you. I'm glad I found them as they are hard to find at the moment.

[@craigwavra3495]

@@JDSOutdoors Just saw that Menards now has them in stock.

[@not_sure...]

I use a generic refill hose with a valve i got on amazon and it works on all of these little tanks and fills fast

[@sjpropertyservices3987]

Looking at options for a refillable tank. Thank you for sharing.

[@stallrod]

Nice video, it would Be nice to weigh before and after filling to see if both hold a full pound of propane.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Yea I thought of that after but I'm guessing they hold a little more than a lb ea

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

​@@JDSOutdoors The volume of the tank determines how much liquid it can hold with 20% head space.

[@betterl8thannvr]

My flame kings hold an ounce or 2 extra.

[@jimbo5635]

Flame king holds a full pound. The actual capacity is larger to include the 20 percent head space.

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

@@jimbo5635 Physically it's ill-advised to fill any cylinder with liquid beyond 80% of it's actual volume.

[@bruceseverson6622]

Good to see you back!

[@JDSOutdoors]

It's good to be back. String of issues and loosing my editing software put a damper on things. Going to try pump some stuff out here again. I missed it

[@spockmcoyissmart961]

So say I'm lazy and I don't put the cap on the fuel keg, or I lose it in the woods. IF I bump the metal ring valve, or it snags on equipment bouncing in my truck, that little keg is going so spew its propane into my truck? IF so, I think the Fuel King allen screw is a def safety factor I like.

[@joegrycowski211]

Watch other videos. Gas will not escape. The "button" inside the neck he shows at 5:34 has to be depressed, then the side key turned.

[@spockmcoyissmart961]

@@joegrycowski211 thanks

[@kristinealbrecht2071]

Thank you for doing this! I just bought the Flame King and will return it tomorrow.

[@Turnpike3327]

I perched some disk magnets, put on bottom of flame king for Allen wrench. 👍😎

[@drakejdf]

Great video just what I was looking for. I just filled two of these fuel kegs last night without any problems pretty easy. The quality of the fuel kegs tanks is outstanding and like you said the little key valve instead of using a tool is awesome. Just out of curiosity this video is a little old how many tanks say 1 pound tank can you fill with a 20 pound tank you said it was about $.60 to fill one how many do you think you could fill just wondering if you have made a record of that.

[@samTollefson]

I have been re-filling some of the same green Coleman 1lb tanks for over 30 years with no problems, I can see the convenience of the side valve-filling gadget, but I don't see the point of the expensive tanks unless you have lots of extra cash to burn!

[@james10739]

Not that long for me but ya no problems with leaking or anything

[@JDSOutdoors]

I've had the Coleman tanks leak when brand new. I don't like wasting propane

[@court2379]

The issue is they can be over filled and then explode due to changes in temperature and thermal expansion. Practically speaking the only way you could do that is venting the bottle while filling. Otherwise there will always be some gas in the bottle and never completely liquid. They do tend to leak too if used more than a few times in my experience.

[@samTollefson]

@@court2379 The 1 lb tanks have a pressure release valve on the top side of the tank, if the pressure gets too high in the tank the valve simply relieves the pressure, it doesn't explode! If you fill it correctly and don't put more than 1 lb of propane in it it will not get into an overpressure situation. I release any gas that may be in the tank before filling, the first fill usually only puts about 9 or 10oz in it, (I check it with a scale) I then unscrew it and use a tool I made from 3/16" steel rod to press the center valve open to vent some of the air, then refill it until I get a full pound in it. It takes a little practice to get the hang of how much to let out, but you will get it, if it's got more than a pound in it relieve some to bring it back to 1lb. Some of my little tanks I have re-filled 30 or more times, like I said, with no problems. The only thing I look out for is rust, if one gets too rusty around the bottom corners I ditch it, sometimes the inner part of the nozzle where you screw the tank in gets some rust, I steel wool that off, blow it out good and wipe some oil on it.

[@court2379]

@@samTollefson I was trying to remember the reasons it is illegal to refill them, and recall that being one of them. Probably mostly fear mongering. Looking into it again they do say that is still a risk. That the valve isn't designed to be used many times and sometimes sticks. Though the more likely scenario is it sticks open and vents much or all the gas. I haven't had issues with it, but the main valve in the center sticks open in my experience.

[@markweber5296]

Good demo but having worked in propane industry I know from experience that you can freeze shut your filling by rushing this procedure. Take your time.

[@sle87g]

The only Flame King refill valve with a brass collar is listed to work with forklift cylinders. Forklift cylinders and grill, and RV cylinders have a different thread. Probably Amazon seller didn't give that information.

[@Paul_Howe0216]

Thanks for the resource. I was just looking into these.

[@kennethfischer-c8d]

i live in missouri and here there is a shut off valve inside the 20 pound tank so when you trun them upside down that valve shut the gas off. makes it imposable to get gas out of a 20 pound tank.

[@Scotty2hotty-xc6gi]

How can you tell that valve in inside the tank though??? I have a tank that seems to do that. Also I can’t figure it out. ??? is there any printing on the top of the tank that identifies it that way???

[@butchs.4239]

@@Scotty2hotty-xc6gi The handwheel is a easy way to tell. Old style POL valves have a handwheel that looks like what you'd find on a water faucet. Newer OPD valves have a triangular shaped handwheel, and the float valve internally that only let propane out if the bottle is upright.

[@Scotty2hotty-xc6gi]

@@butchs.4239 Thanks for the info Butch. Yes, I appreciate it.

[@J.E.Taylor]

I live in MO also and using Blue Rhino tanks, I've had no issues filling the Flame King tanks. However, I've heard that said about the feature you're mentioning. I just have my 20# tank refilled so I keep it instead of exchanging.

[@richiefields4799]

The video clearly shows a tank with the triangular knob, and its working perfectly upside down. I doubt the manufacturer (Mr. Heater and Flame King) would produce a product like this that requires an ancient style tank that is no longer available.

[@Captain1717Q]

Yes I have the flame King kit it works really well too.

[@Subgunman]

Recently priced the flame kings in early 2024 and I could not find any source selling just one by one. Flame king wanted to sell you a pack of 5. What I see with the Mr Buddy system is the ring on the bleed valve. One could have it accidentally get knocked open. Might recommend using a tie wrap on it to secure it to the neck so it will not open in transport. You could find an Allen wrench and fasten it to a piece of hard brass key bow from an old key and fasten it to your keys. Years ago I did find a Chinese seller who was selling high quality (oxymoron) brass caps that work really well, too bad I only bought a pack of four.

[@philiptong4978]

The FAQ on menards provides an answer: "Q: What happens if I turn the ring when the Fuel Keg is not connected to the refill tool? A: The ring is used to open the bleed valve as part of the refill process and works in conjunction with a secondary probe on the refill tool that opens an internal valve. No propane will escape the tank via the bleed hole if the ring is turned to the open position when the Fuel Keg is not connected to the refill tool."

[@Subgunman]

@@philiptong4978 Thanks for the info! Wish I had a few of these refillables here in the EU. Worked for a friend who ran a camping supply and RV store back in the states. Did refills on 20 and 40 gallon propane tanks back in the day that were used on RV campers. Back then they had bleeder valves we had to open to properly fill them. That ring makes it a lot easier instead of looking for that tiny hex wrench used on the other brand.

[@philiptong4978]

the good news is that Mr. heater created a safer, fool proof product, working like a firing pin block, but the mechanism obviously require matching protrusions on the connector, unlike the flame king system which is more of a deterrent to use disposable cylinders covering reasonable social responsibilities

[@archangel20031]

A parts list and supplier names for the home made on would have been nice. Some of us would rather spend $20 on parts rather than $20 on a pre-made one just because we like to repair it if something gets broken and we know the quality of the parts. I'm sure I'm not the only one with a dozen or more empty 1LB bottles kicking around the basement or garage!

[@JDSOutdoors]

Mr heater ends for both thr 1lb and the 20lb sides then it's all the plumbing department for brass pipe after. Super easy at the big box stores.

[@jimbo5635]

The flame king will fill to exactly a full pound of propane when liquid comes out the vent. The biggest advantage to refillable tanks is they full faster snd consistently fill to exactly one pound. The disposable tanks are hard to get one pound in and take linger to fill.

[@Garth2011]

Here we are, only 10 months later, and those Flame King tanks are $20 each. Their EZ refill valves are also more expensive, about $28 on Amazon and they ship the all brass version. Since the all brass version doesn't fit a 20 lb tank connection, I have to wonder why not. We decided to order on directly from Flame King and if they send a brass EZ valve, we will call them and find out what else they want us to do to use the new all brass style.

[@manuelprovencio4930]

FYI that is not air it is propane vapor.

[@betterl8thannvr]

In the brand new flame king tank there is no propane, they come pressurized with a bit of air.

[@AdrepKeith]

Well there's one thing missing from the test. Did both tanks get filled to 1#? The only way to know that for sure is weigh the empty first then measure after filling. Another down side is the fact that every time you fill a tank you are losing propane. Not much but if you lose an ounce per tank your losing 1# per 16 filled.

[@Cream_of_sum_yung_gai]

The flame king refill adapter with the brass tank connector is for use with forklift tanks, that's why it won't work with the typical consumer grill/rv tanks.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Now that makes sense

[@Garth2011]

Doesn't explain why people are being sent those vs. the typical 20 lb tank version. Amazon sent me one when the picture and description clearly didn't say "Fork Lift Tank" only.

[@Graymanjft]

The Mr. Heater Fuel Keg tank is available at Menards right now for $17.99 and the refill kit is available for $29.99. BTW, this is the Menards in the Kansas City area.

[@soco13466]

I replaced the refill valve assembly with a far better quality adapter, from Amazon, heavier duty. The flame king one started leaking at the threads. I tried finding replacement fittings, but they aren't any standard available.

[@hydra26actual]

Fyi, the paddle/handle on the flame king nozzle is steel. I had a bunch of those small strong magnets like you see for magnetic pinless badges/name tags. Stick one of those to the handle on the filler and stick one of the allen keys to it. Voila. If you can find your filler nozzle, you have an allen key on it. Zero problems misplacing it on a week long off grid trip last year.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Genius idea

[@marksparks8852]

Put the 1 pound tanks in the deep freeze for an hour or so before you fill. I also have a 4 ounce Flame King for my torch. Much easier to hold on to.

[@JDSOutdoors]

No need to do that with these. The freezer trick was only for refilling the non refillable tanks

[@marksparks8852]

@@JDSOutdoors It still helps. Propane is liquid at minus 40. Dry ice would be even better. They will fill faster when cold & if you weigh them you'll probably see you can get a little more in them when cold.

[@JDSOutdoors]

@marksparks8852 it's liquid in the tank at any temp. In the video when you see the tank squirting that's liquid propane coming out.

[@marksparks8852]

@@JDSOutdoors It is, but if you do a timed test on a cold tank verses a warm tank I think you'll see the cold one fills faster. If this kind of thing interest you, you can look up graphs of the triple point of gases , liquids, & solids at various temperatures & pressures .

[@Scotty2hotty-xc6gi]

If you can fill a tank in one minute and 15 seconds, you can complain about that😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@davidbwa]

An interesting comparison would be to weigh both tanks before and after on an accurate scale to see if they both have 1 pound of propane in them or if it is +/-. I would expect the difference if any to be negligible but I'm curious if there is a difference.

[@KA7ISVtube]

I was thinking the same thing, to see how much propane actually is in each brand tank.

[@steve_put_this_here]

Over the years I've tracked refilling my "disposable" propane tanks (they work pretty much just as well for many cycles, and this vid gives away one great thing to have with them, and that's the brass cap with gasket to prevent any leaks). If that's any example of predicting where these bottes end up, the care in which any propane bottles are filled is pretty much the thing that dictates the end fill weight. I have ended up with 0.8 to 1 lb fills fairly consistently. I don't mind the 'light bottles, since I carry several spares.

[@ReefMimic]

I put my empty tanks in the freezer for 30 minutes before I refill. Some say it doesn’t do anything but I think it does.

[@slicktmi]

Oh buddy it makes all the difference

[@ramrod175]

It helps keep the propane in a liquid state and will fill up faster and you may not have to vent cylinder.

[@slicktmi]

@ramrod175 no venting required correct

[@davidschlarp1606]

Never had any issues with the regular green ones

[@bobgutman9691]

Would recommend a follow up video, measure the actual weight of propane you can refill in each cylinder.

[@trailjockeytj6160]

1 pound

[@joefudd]

Didn't flame king recall all of these 1 lb cylinders for potential leaks? I kept mine anyhow. I just don't store them inside where a leak could be a danger. They save me tons of money and I haven't had any problems with them leaking and I've had them for many years.

[@JDSOutdoors]

I haven't heard

[@philiptong4978]

details can be found on Flame King web site, search for "1 LB Recall Notice - Flame King"

[@Vera-xu3xw]

Im sticking with the old school cheap refill system, works fine on Coleman canisters. Use soapy water to check if youre worried

[@JDSOutdoors]

They leak when new so best of luck

[@Vera-xu3xw]

@@JDSOutdoorsI've never had a problem and you can check them with soapy water. Are you really saying the new ones leak? 🤣

[@JDSOutdoors]

@Vera-xu3xw 100% they can. Put one in a heater and take it off half full. If you do that 10x I bet ya 1-2 of them leak out slowly. Personal experience..

[@Garth2011]

Probably so but it would be a good idea to use refillable canisters because they are engineered with a coating inside preventing rust, heavier gauge tank material and a more reliable Schrader valve. Once the new laws go inter effect, disposable canisters will no longer be made/sold.

[@a-k-jun-1]

There has been an adapter to refill disposable tanks from a 20lb tank for over 30 years that I know of. I have some old blue berzomatic cylinders that are older than my kids. And I can get all the disposable tanks I want for free from those just use them and then throw them away. That adapter is less than $10 at most places.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Yes you can. I've also had brand new disposable tanks leak from the get go

[@joefudd]

@@JDSOutdoors same here, which is why I always leave my torch head screwed onto them all of the time.

[@KevinCoop1]

Refilling the one use tanks is not illegal. Transporting in a vehicle on roads comes under DOT. It is illegal to transport them. If someone gets hurt while transporting, up to $50,000 and 5 years jail. If someone dies, up to $100,000 and 10 years jail.

[@kcgunesq]

@@KevinCoop1 I've heard this mentioned many times, but I've never seen a citation to any rule that would apply to non-commercial vehicles. Do you have any idea where to find such a reg or law?

[@rickywrenn]

Also, it’s more than the leaking that makes these tanks hazardous to refill. The steel is thin in comparison to refillable tanks. The stresses of repeated expansion from refilling could cause a failure in the tank. Not that it will happen but it would be more likely than a thicker tank designed for repeated expansion.

[@BillyBlaze7]

i filled up some tanks last year (regular old tanks), went to use them this winter and they were empty lol I thought I had figured something cool out but didnt know they leaked that bad.....they do So, thanks for the video, if these tanks dont leak down then I guess I will be buying some

[@badweetabix]

After refilling the 1 lb. tanks dose them with soapy water and look for bubbles. The leakage could also be due to how you refilled them. Some people pull on the overpressure vent tab to bleed air, but that is unnecessary because all you need to do is to depress the valve at the collar with a small hex wrench.

[@BillyBlaze7]

@@badweetabix thats how i do it, and the tanks were only used once didnt expect them to leak but

[@Kaliburz]

I just found the Fuel Keg at Tractor Supply. Bought 3 for $19.99 & the fill kit for $35 or 39....

[@mattg8787]

i like it but i have a 5lb propane tank that cost 3$ to fill and 50 ish to buy that takes up less room for the volume

[@rvhtravels]

I find the Flame king has a slightly different nozzle, so of y gas appliances fit, other not. Seems it's a bit longer a d tbe pin is in deeper.

[@videopipeline6419]

*This made me wonder if the Flame King allen screw IS the valve* (i.e.: the tip of the screw presses on a conical seat), or if the screw pushes in on an actual spring-loaded valve.

[@jimf.625]

Great comparison. I’m leaning toward the Flame King. The built in valve in the Fuel Keg seems it could be more of an issue during transport. I would be concerned something could press against the valve causing it to leak.

[@JDSOutdoors]

I tested this in the new video and that's not a problem at all

[@james10739]

He said ine had a brass fitting that doesn't fit propane bottles I assume that means it has the left handed outside threads that's on all full size propane tanks I know of really until a couple years ago I didn't even know about the new style connection most have now

[@JDSOutdoors]

No it had inside threads like the plastic fitting does. But it physically does not fit over the threads as it's machined completely wrong

[@jimmast2509]

From $8 a canister to $18 a canister, they did go up a little bit. I guess it just shows that it's not just big corporations that are greedy and taking advantage of the consumer....

[@Subgunman]

Probably not, some material costs have gone up but so have shipping costs from China have gone up. Another issue is that most everything that is sold on Amazon is grossly overpriced and they have your attention by having it available. That is not always the case many things that are advertised on some of the channels here are mostly unavailable with no timeframe as to when they will be restocked IF THEY RESTOCK THEM. Amazon should delete the item from their databank u;till they receive them in stock, it’s a waste of all of our time searching.

[@Garth2011]

Main reason for price increase is the laws. In California, disposable 1 lb tanks will be outlawed in a few years. Millions of people are going to have to switch over to refillable 1 lb tanks plus a refill kit or find a propane station that will fill them little tanks for you which is very rare. Now that a law will eliminate disposable tanks, folks are forced to opt for the refillable canisters. Right now, a single Flame King is $30, a single purchase of 3 tanks is about $49. The industry is going to make tens of millions they normally wouldn't.

[@lonhoschar1943]

Good video! Very informative! Thanks!

[@Majeskty]

Surprised you didn’t use the Flame King Stand just to do a comparison on camera to actually show the difference between the two, o’well. Would seem that the Fuel Keg is a bit more specialized with the metal post verse’s the plastic on FK version. However you did say the FK would still operate, which makes me wonder if that tab has an actual function other than positioning the cylinder to the filler valve. Nice job!

[@mert4787]

I am almost positive they would have filled at exactly the same rate if they had both been filled the same. The thing with those 20 lb propane cylinders is as the propane is leaving the tank the tank begins to cool down very quickly. As the tank cools the pressure inside drops very fast. So by the time you started filling the fuel keg the pressure in the big tank was a lot lower than when you started filling the Flame King. I mean honestly there's not really much difference between them. A 1 lb tank with a vent hole. They both work the exact same way.

[@videopipeline6419]

To confirm whether or not Flame King fills faster than Fuel Keg, I'd suggest running the test again twice, swapping the fill order for the second test, or even just filling sets of three in this order: Flame King, Fuel Keg, Flame King; or Fuel Keg, Flame King, Fuel Keg.

[@pstoneking3418]

I just refill the regular 1 lb bottles. They work great. Never had any problems with them leaking.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Buy a lottery ticket

[@thisisyourcaptainspeaking2259]

I weigh mine. Empty, they weigh about 1lb

[@Bestbutcher979]

Never heard of one blowing been filling same old green ones about 5 hrs occasionally 1 will leak after filling then I change it out.

[@mondavou9408]

He clearly like the Fuel Keg (throughout the whole video).

[@philipwilleford5206]

Great video! Very helpful, Thanks!

[@lewis9888]

I've never heard of Flame King or Fuel Keg. I have a couple of the adapters to fill 1lb Coleman canisters from a larger tank. Never had any problems. Be prepared and be safe my friends.

[@CatHound]

Fuel keg is great. Love mine

[@meldeweese6875]

Great - Exact info/ demo . Thank You, EXCELLENT ! I have several used bottles but was wondering about using the Flame King, now like the other Keg type idea . Wondering if my Amazon connection hose, unit with handle value and pressure guage will work / connect? Or I need THEIR hose init you said , right ? Mtn Mel. 59- 82 Ret USN PR- SERE - POW Inst / VN. Hoping t use in my tipi survival program.

[@JDSOutdoors]

You can use other fill valves to fill them However they won't get completely full and it takes forever to fill them.

[@Flipper20]

Great comparison lots of good information but one thing you failed to mention is you don't make propane bottles black fuel keg chose a bad color for their bottles

[@hgj2019]

I completely agree, but it is also true that many single use tanks are painted a dark color. Looks like fuel Keg would have selected something much lighter, if only for marketing.

[@Flipper20]

@@hgj2019 I totally agree, the dark color makes them hard to spot when they are stored in a dark spot. So I like the flame king reusable bright green , they work really well.

[@hgj2019]

@@Flipper20 true. I also have concerns about them getting too hot if left in the sun.

[@pstoneking3418]

I haven't had any problems just Refilling my regular 1 lb bottles using a hose with a ball valve . Refillable bottles are way over priced.

[@hgj2019]

@@pstoneking3418 good for you!

[@williamwilliams7706]

Nice video. Too bad you couldn't weigh both of them in order to see if one fills with more fuel than the other, if they both take a pound of fuel, and if the extra time on the Keg was because it filled with more fuel maybe.

[@lesterroberts4787]

There is a snorkel tube built into the can so you can only fill to 80%

[@dalewatkins8694]

What happens if a little kid turns the ring and opens it on the Fuel King and walks away from it. I can picture bad things happening if they did it in a basement near a furnace... I know it isn't likely but kids do like to do things that dad does. Some times they do it when he is not around.

[@JDSOutdoors]

You bring up a dam good point. It does take some strength and dexterity to turn so hopefully by the time the child is strong enough to do so they are smart enough not to etc. But I do see the possibility for a lawsuit there for sure.

[@dalewatkins8694]

@@JDSOutdoors I got the chance to see one of the Fuel King tanks today. It is somewhat hard to turn the valve on them. It is a quarter turn with a ramped step. I am now fairly sure that a kid would probably let go of it before they got it turned on completely. Originally I thought the ring was unscrewing the valve like the Flame King. Thank you for this video. Thank you for also noting/recommending the brass caps. I ordered a Flame King and four extra tanks. My gut feeling is that they may be a little safer that the Fuel Kings. I keep everything stored safely outside but sadly many people only have their apartments, attached garages, and homes to store their tanks. Thank you again

[@JDSOutdoors]

@dalewatkins8694 thanks man I appreciate it. This is exactly why I made the video

[@dalewatkins8694]

@@JDSOutdoors I just wanted to let you know that I saw another video that showed the fuel keg tanks. It appears that there is an interlock or something the only allows the the tank to bleed off when it is attached to to the tank filler. You should be able to turn the ring and cam it up and it should not release any gas.

[@jeffkerner3961]

The Fuel Keg valve will not allow any propane to escape unless the fuel tap is connected......

[@cowboyway99]

I own 6 Flame King tanks cause that was all wad avaliable. Not having to have tools is a game changer. It would be worth the extra time to not have to keep up with allen wrenches.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Agree 100%

[@flytechbass1979]

Buy a 2mm T-handle for the Flame King

[@jamesgoddard871]

Cut both open a measure and inspect the cans .

[@mckinleypotter1785]

Just get adapter hose with 3/8 fitting use any propane stove with reg 20lb tank

[@JDSOutdoors]

@mckinleypotter1785 i have several. No thanks it sucks carrying a 20lb

[@brianmcquiston4436]

I think I would rather have the flame king. I would rather have the allen set screw for a valve. The tool less valve on Mr. Heater appears that it could easily, accidentally be opened...

[@JDSOutdoors]

It's pretty stiff and you have to turn it up hill to move it

[@jeffkerner3961]

Unless the Tap is connected the Fuel Keg Valve will not allow any propane to escape, so much safer than the Flame King design

[@ramrod175]

When you remove the filler valve the pin is no longer depressed in the cylinder top and will not allow for it to vent even if you turn the bleed valve.

[@alberthodge631]

very informative. thanks.

[@jameskelly4494]

I just started using a Big Joe 3 and am probably just going to buy the 180.00 long grill gun, pay once cry once. I kind of like the Fuel Keg system. Just curious if I use a 1 lb tank to light the big Joe how long would a 1 lb tank last? Wondering if I should order a second tank to have a backup.

[@JDSOutdoors]

@jameskelly4494 always good to have a 2nd tank I'm not sure what a joe is

[@outdoorswithaaron4145]

Cool video great info 🎉

[@lorenray9479]

Is the fuel keg vent too easy to accidentally open or break?

[@JDSOutdoors]

Not at all kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXO6p4CKoNSUhdE

[@bobriddle6068]

Temu has a varity of refill adapters.

[@T-Hogie]

I have the Flame King system and so I do not lose the alen wrench I have it attached to the fill device with a retaining cord. I'd concerned that the tooless vent on the fuel keg could potentially get opened accidentally and release the propane and that could be very dangerous.

[@jamesnelson6848]

A t-handle Allen wrench works better and is easy to keep up with.

[@videopipeline6419]

The tooless vent valve on the fuel keg will only open while connected to the refill adapter.

[@intractablemaskvpmGy]

I found that placing the empty tank in the freezer until very cold helped the tank fill more easily. However, I've never needed to vent the tanks while filling. Is this for purging new tanks?

[@JDSOutdoors]

No this just helps get the tank as full as possible. I also vent buffer tanks when I fill them

[@Garth2011]

Bleeding the tank while refilling allows for residual air to escape as the liquid propane fills in. The refillable tanks bleed off liquid propane when they are about 80% full which allows for expansion as well as pressure when using them.

[@Cannibal440]

I wonder if each brand fills to the same amount, given the Mr Heater takes longer to fill?

[@michaell1665]

Thanks. Great video!

[@roamingtincanvan4260]

The flame King little screw valve can strip very easily I do not recommend it. Had to replace a couple of them looking looking forward to trying The Keg version

[@s13rr4buf3]

Yes, and I found that a t8 torx screwdriver had a good, tight fit that wasn't going to strip the hex screw.

[@douglasschafer6372]

I would have been interested in weight gained in filling.

[@TheDirksAaron]

So I have a question are these tanks the same dimensions as a throwaway tank? The only thing I worry about is them fitting my propane ice auger. It has a cage the tank slides into before screwing on.

[@JDSOutdoors]

Yes they are the same size. I haven't personally used a propane auger but I've seen the flame king used in them before.

[@johnmathias4871]

Thanks for the great video! I was wondering if that big "key ring" on the Fuel Keg models is so big that it might get partially opened when threading into something with tight tolerances?

[@JDSOutdoors]

It's fairly stiff so I wouldn't think so

[@ramrod175]

Even if it does get caught it will not vent due to the safety pin in the valve not being depressed.

[@RoyatAvalonFarms]

Holy crap, just checked price on the jungle site and buying a 2 pack, they are still $17 each, so $34 for 2. I still like the idea of reusable instead of throw away, but thats outrageous.

[@JDSOutdoors]

I've seen 2 pks of the single use Colemans up to 10 bucks now so after 3 uses they pay for themselves. 17 is steep but if you use them often it's a no Brainer to me.

[@RoyDees-t2k]

Great video! Thanks for introducing the Fuel Keg. I was curious, what is the danger when refilling the disposable 1 lb propane tank?

[@JDSOutdoors]

@@RoyDees-t2k the only danger would be refilling inside your house really

[@username-mc7jw]

The danger is OVER-FILLING them!!! How do you know when it's full? When it explodes? You MUST, MUST, MUST use a scale when refilling them! Weigh it empty, then only add 16oz of propane (by weight) to the cylinder. It should weigh somewhere around 2 lbs total, when full - but WEIGH each cylinder empty first. Different brands will be different weights empty, so don't count on the total weight to be the same for every brand. I also refill my small iso-propane backpack stove cylinders using the same method. They are 75% butane, and 25% propane. It takes time and practice, and a little bit of math, but If you use a good scale and fill them proportionally correct, you'll be fine.

[@fodderfresh1869]

They are available on Amazon

[@dano8514]

Will the Flame king filler work on the Mr. Heater tanks if the plastic tab is removed? I'd like to upgrade the tanks but I don't want to have to buy a new filler.

[@JDSOutdoors]

That is a good question and I will be doing a test of that.

[@JamesBond-qv2ht]

Do Flame King or Fuel Keg manufacturers state a maximum number of refills on their tanks?

[@JDSOutdoors]

Nope there is none. Same with regular propane BBQ tanks

[@xro5841]

5:35 - SAY WHAT? I wasn't told I would have to have a special FILLING device? Well crap I was, but snuck it right past me. THAT SUCKS. I have 6 bottles coming and I cannot refill them? Money Grubbing Bastards. Only one I can find is another $60 bucks. What a F N Rip off. Guess I will leave a note saying I was trying to figure out why it wouldn't recharge when it blew up. Edit: No sorry I went back and it was for the Flame King. I Cannot find a Filler for the Fuel Keg! ????? Now what. The search continues.

[@JDSOutdoors]

It will be hitting more stores soon. Tractor supply and menards for now

[@JDSOutdoors]

It will be hitting more stores soon. Tractor supply and menards for now

[@xro5841]

@@JDSOutdoors Is there are work around? I am a big, figure it out kind of guy. But with Propane I'm not sure I would be that willing to be a bit crazy.