Jedi Outcast vs Academy

[@popnlocknes]

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[@christiansantamaria7233]

No…but thanks for the informative video helped me decided which to purchase first

[@popnlocknes]

Happy to help

[@KvnProduction]

Outcast: For the story, characters Academy: For the duels, lightsabers, maps

[@popnlocknes]

KVN PRODUCTION - Films I coulda just said that and been done with it!

[@lethalassassin1754]

But i love the gameplay and dueling in outcast just as much. Its harder than academy and more strategic. When you get those dual sabers and the staff it becomes a cakewalk

[@Goldie737]

Outcast for PVP and Captrure the Flag !

[@EmployeesAreJerks]

Nah man, way off...Jedi Outcast online back in the day had the most intense, tactical duels that the playerbase of JA just never matched.

[@Real_Boye]

Honestly the map design in Outcast is miles better than Academy. It feels more vibrant and real than the more simplistic academy maps.

[@mouse7965]

cant believe they got lightsabers near perfect 20 years ago but today they still use fucking glorifed baseball bats.

[@popnlocknes]

That’s such an accurate description. Surprised I haven’t heard it before.

[@prolamer7]

I say this often, but back then guys who made games actually played them... I mean they did what they wanted to play... now they do it just for paycheck... and if game sux, so what they got money... It is because back then there was hardly any internet so you were doint "the" thing best entertainment there was.

[@asphaltape]

its the same with space combat havent had it proper since 1999 with xwing alliance

[@prolamer7]

@@asphaltape Do try Old Conflict freespace 1 + 2 BUT use hd graphic mods, they are awesome! Yeah it takes time to install them correctly but do try!

[@mwoodhouse2778]

Because EA are shit 😌☝ and have no idea how a lightsaber works / force powers / gameplay / how a jedi is how a sith is / online / ideas about anything star wars related/ they don't care only pandemic knew / The games in the Jedi Knight series have received generally favorable reviews. Multiple publications have commented on the quality of the series as a whole. The use of the lightsaber in the series, a prominent gameplay element in all but the first game, has received specific praise for its implementation

[@nickmcfly3506]

They're cannon to me

[@popnlocknes]

me too, removing the disney sequel trilogy in my universe

[@cosd3799]

@@popnlocknes exactly episode 7-8-9 is dark forces, outcast and academy

[@Phil684]

Ditto that

[@GMMReviews]

EU was always canon, who cares what the company that killed Star Wars says did, and did not happened?

[@popnlocknes]

#bringdashtomandolarian

[@aekenes2128]

Just finished outcast the other day and I must say while the story in that one is more character focused and stronger, I prefer academy more for the rpg style elements. I liked the freedom of choosing the missions/the ability to choose which side you’ll be on in the end. Great video. You’re thoughts on the games are how I felt when playing them both.

[@popnlocknes]

Thanks for the kind comment 👍🏽 I enjoy the force building and weapon/ mission choices better too.

[@Legacysong2012]

Technically Jedi outcast and Academy aren't the only two in the series. Dark forces and dark forces come first, then there is also (actually just learned about this one today) mystery of the sith

[@popnlocknes]

Jordan Leonard this is true. Just wanted to talk about the last two iterations since dark forces games were basically doom clones and didn’t have that refined lightsaber combat yet.

[@durkken_no_aim]

mysteries of the sith is an expansion not a standalone game.

[@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe]

@@durkken_no_aim By today's standards, I think it actually should count as it's own game (in particular since it's standalone now) just what Academy is to Oucast. Jedi Knight has 21 levels, MoTS is surprisingly robust with 14. However, a few of JK's levels are very short and MoTS adds a Cloud City bonus level, so MoTS actually only feels shorter because of the way fewer and shorter cutscenes.

[@atifarshad7624]

​@@popnlocknes i know it 4 years old comment, it couldn't be further from truth. OG Dark Forces is still quite a unique fps game and Dark Forces 2 already had lightsaber combat and many force abilities.

[@rswpt]

you are right, academy is dumbed down and noob friendly while outcast is for the more competent gamers

[@popnlocknes]

nothing wrong with being noob friendly. Fallen Order is the noob friendly dark souls, after all

[@elu5ive]

outcast is so good that i'm replaying it right now :))

[@popnlocknes]

niiiiiice. It really is so fun

[@elu5ive]

@@popnlocknes even tho i already had it on disk, i bought it on steam again specifically for the statistic that people are still interested in it and to leave a review. i was shocked how good it looks and runs when i replayed it 2 months ago and how good game mechanics are compared even to many new games which have nothing but heavy visuals but nothing inside. btw, really good video, bro. quality, planning, details. very enjoyable

[@popnlocknes]

KilluaXIII thanks man. I appreciate the compliment. The Jedi Knight games were so ahead of their time. If they just continued where they left off, I think it would blow every EA Star Wars game out of the water. Sigh. Oh well.

[@riftsalty7562]

Thingy Plays they should also let pandemic studios work on battlefront again and maybe it would be as legendary as it used to be with the space battles

[@cardfreak8925]

Yup, it still rules.

[@lazzzlooo]

I can never separate the two. At least to me it's almost like Jedi Academy is the expansion to Outcast. I wouldn't play just one of them if i want to go back and do the story. Ofc, for multiplayer i would go for Jedi Academy, as it is basically the same game but adds and polishes a lot more things in terms of combat.

[@popnlocknes]

no doubt hard to separate

[@mrdabrow]

Jedi academy feels more like a standalone expansion, rather than a full game.

[@popnlocknes]

Truth. I played academy first back in the day and I could not get enough.

[@liamcullen3035]

I played both of these games. I’ve played Jedi Outcast through once, great game 👍 I’ve played Jedi Academy through probably close to 20 times, even played it in a different language to get some german practice in while I play. Superb game! 💜

[@popnlocknes]

highly replayable. Another reason I love it

[@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe]

Academy and Outcast came out in a time when German dubs were very good to the point I prefer the German dub, I think they nailed Katarn in particular!

[@EinFritzMitX]

​​@@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMeA very remarkable point about JKA's German dub is that Luke Skywalker is voiced by Hans-Georg Panczak, the same actor who lends his voice to Luke in the movies.

[@wolfrandom9769]

I'd say for a casual experience, controller is fine. If you go into multiplayer though, PC all the way. Jedi Outcast 100% was the better story. From a purely SP story perspective, it was far more entertaining and felt a lot more rewarding to play than academy. Don't even get my started on Rosh... But academy was the best for MP and saber combat overall.

[@popnlocknes]

Wolf Random well said.

[@REALROCKFM]

Do you still get that complete control of how you attack when using a controller? I would get the game for PC but that’s not an option for me now and wont be for a long time unfortunately so PS4’s my only option.

[@wolfrandom9769]

@@REALROCKFM You do, its just harder to do. There are a few PC players who have gotten used to controllers and so it is definitely doable but its a much easier game to learn using a mouse, honestly. Game is technically the same on all platforms though (for the most part).

[@REALROCKFM]

Wolf Random I hear you. I used to play Chivalry Medieval Warfare which allowed you to attack from any direction you wanted and I just can’t imagine playing it on a controller. Thanks, dude.

[@yernow8216]

maybe WAS..maybe..now the multiplayer far far worse than in Jedi Outcast.

[@KA_RA25]

Why can’t they make modern version of these games? I like real duels where lightsabers actually clash. And feels like a real lightsaber battle these old games should teach these new game developers

[@notBrocker]

Ea: TAKE THIS JEDI FALLEN ORDER.. but for real rn I feel you these games are much better now we get games who look good but play bad

[@chrisdrugs249]

Same reason Disney won't make any quality SW films; too much greed, too little passion.

[@popnlocknes]

This

[@rosomak6900]

Vertex my friend, or Movie Battle 2

[@nathanklekas5372]

Both these games are criminally underrated. Grew up with them 18 years ago (so I'm a little bias) and still play them to this day.

[@popnlocknes]

Same bro

[@ВикторСтойчев-к4о]

You are not bias , thrust me ...as an 91 year guy ....i also grew up with dark forces 2 , outcast and academy, i think we older gamers just have more exp with games in comparisson with little shits like my bro - 99 year who think the force unleashed is the top of the iceberg ..😂😂😂😂 for me jedi academy and outcast - superior fighting mechanic ,kotor - superior story lore (but never forget in its roots its an rpg not pure action) the force unleashed- better graphic but nothing more ....never played the new ones- jedi survivor and the fallen empire to make a comment but new gamers in the hood dont make a difference between really good gameplay (dont look at graphic ) and cheesy , shiny new games with ZERO replayability(dont know how to write it 😂😂😂 you ve got what i mean)

[@ВикторСтойчев-к4о]

These last couple of years i personally think most of the programmers only focus on graphic and nothing more(and lay their foundation on old titles and brands ,and dont give to public something special) take crysis for example.....not a bad game ...BRUTALLLLL graphic but after i finished 1 and 2 couple of ears ago never played them again ....just dont think of them even for a 30 min spin...... Even the 3rd one is installed on my pc ....and never finished it ,just dont get my attention so much , maybe im gettin older😂😂😂😂

[@ВикторСтойчев-к4о]

If you got something to say and add i would hear you with pleasure like one gamer or fan from another...😊

[@Baszottbivaly2]

Yeah, absolutely fair. I played through Academy as a kid around 7 times before I could force myself to do a legit play-through of Outcast. Academy is more noob friendly, completely linear with it's level design, an easier experience. Outcast has a few "How the fuck was I supposed to know that!?" designs in it's levels, figuring out just where to go next is a pain in the ass for the first time. There are fewer moves, fewer powers, but it has a better story.

[@Savior20061]

That was my experience completely. As a kid I played through Academy countless times. I'd rented Outcast years before that and just got stuck ALL the time. I only played it again last year. And while I don't remember for sure, I'm certain I know where I got so stuck that I just couldn't carry on. At the mines. With the radiation pit or whatever, and the open pipe that juts out from the wall every once in a while. Which you can't frigging see. And Kyle doesn't mention (there's a lot of puzzle that could be more easily solved by Kyle opening his trap, I honestly believe).

[@daestka5512]

I play jedi academy when i was a kid and i play it again now, Best star wars game ever i love it. I hope they make a similar game in the future with the same combat system

[@popnlocknes]

Same. It’s all I’ve ever wanted since playing it for the first time.

[@mwoodhouse2778]

I don't think they ever will they just don't understand 😂☝ raven knew lucasarts knew pandemic knew EA ... Not a clue 😂😂😂😂 shit

[@the7percentsolution]

To this day I still will play a quick match against some bots and just enjoy the hell out of swinging duel lightsabers. Jedi Academy is my absolute favorite!

[@reload54]

I played this game religiously for hours on end 20 years ago or so and I'll say the reason Outcast was so much better was the 1 vs 1 duels. It was so addicting to be the best in the lobby and having everyone waiting in line to duel you. It did take more skill to play the light side but it was more rewarding when you beat the lightning spammers. Force pull with a back flip kick to the face was so satisfying. There was three stances to master, light medium and heavy each with it's on special moves and you needed to be able to recognize your enemies stance on the fly and be able to counter and change on the fly. Defense was many a lot of times was more important than offense and it's amazing to remember a game that was similar to For Honor be so far ahead of it's time. I still think it's the best 1 vs 1 duel games of all times.

[@popnlocknes]

I’ve heard that about For Honor. My cousin has been trying to get me to play it for years. Might be time to give it a go.

[@Mattthecricketbat1]

What they didn't tell you back in the day that the best way to play was Lightsaber only No force lobbies. The Force powers in this game were kinda janky, but the saber dueling was tuned so well.

[@rogueguardian]

I have a love-hate relationship with outcast now that I finished it. On the one hand Kyle's a great character and the story's really good. on the other hand it's a lot more clunky and is insanely difficult even on easy. Academy it's the opposite, great gameplay, balanced difficulty, but a very lackluster story. Overall though pretty good games.

[@popnlocknes]

My sentiments exactly

[@wilhufftarkin8543]

How is Jedi Outcast clunky and Academy not, if it's literally the same game with different maps? Did you play it on console perhaps? I've never played the console versions, so I don't know, but on PC at least, both games are smooth as butter in my opinion. Never has lightsaber combat been made better into gameplay than in these two games. Edit: Ironically, I always found Academy to be more difficult, because the game spams lightsaber wielding enemies at you. Not only that, but often, they have two lightsabers at once, which can make combat basically into an RNG situation. In Outcast, you fight three lightsaber enemies at once at most, and they all have only one lightsaber, which makes them much more controllable. Also, shadow troopers, who appear only a couple of times, are the hardest enemies, while reborns are pretty easy if you know how to dodge and time your attacks.

[@themanwhowouldbebrick]

@@wilhufftarkin8543 just grip them off an edge, EZ

[@moriartiwolfgan2642]

you can remap buttons for powers in both games, this is quite crucial if you play on jedi master .The first thing I do when I start playing is to set the power and style of the sword to the appropriate keys

[@HM13895]

They're both amazing games. So much nostalgia for both, they really dont make them like they used to

[@popnlocknes]

Too true, Harry. Too true.

[@frname7665]

I never played Academy, but boy, Jedi Outcast's multiplayer, even playing solo, is my absolute comfort game. So satisfying and sometimes positively frustrating. I also realized that the Lando bot in multiplayer is the most ridiculously OP, so I just play team against team and I only put Landos on the enemy team. I'm still struggling to win any round but it's so funny

[@ROBBiESMiTTENS]

Outcast multiplayer on Gamecube was my shit!!!

[@dynewell8338]

Movie battles II taking lightsaber experience to the next level

[@popnlocknes]

I heard the community sucks though

[@kennysterlingz6031]

how about 2024 now? Im thinking of getting Academy due to being able to create your own character

[@rindonnolasco7718]

Holy shit the games of my youth! I love jedi outcasts' story better. But I still have nostalgia of using force grip on the fake jedis and launching them over a cliff in jedi academy.

[@popnlocknes]

gripping dark jedis and throwing them off ledges never gets old

[@hanschris1001]

I don’t know how to really express myself, but this man just spot a real fact about video games at 4:26 Yes indeed, we really appreciate controlling every aspect of your character, controlling the slash and the directions of your attacks makes the game attractive, interesting and still playable after 13+ years. Honestly it gets boring when you only spam a button to attack like you do in battlefront 2 and fallen order. Good video man, keep it up!

[@popnlocknes]

I hate spamming one or two buttons for hitting and that's just most games. Appreciate the feedback!

[@lunakingsley.7247]

Fallen order has multiple movies that change based on the button and the analog stick but you either didn't actually play the game or are some legends genwhiner.

[@_Egil]

These games are so underrated. I'm actually playing them on a PS4

[@s10r1de]

If you decide to play outcast be sure to turn on the dismemberment feature. It was also enjoyable to spam in multiple NPC Jedi and sith and watch them war

[@popnlocknes]

its the simple pleasures

[@natha2805]

1:58 "Figure out lots of puzzles and the best strategies for tackling out various different enemies" *Runs into lasers instead of ducking*

[@popnlocknes]

I was waiting for someone to catch that lol. You’re the first!

[@natha2805]

@@popnlocknes Well after almost 2 years I'm glad I put an end to your waiting!

[@Kalleosini]

There are 3 buttons for force power use in academy? fuck me man.

[@Jabberwockybird]

There are all the F# buttons. F1 to pull, F2 to push, etc.

[@MR.ICE.]

Seeing the start of this video, I have to say, I absolutely love Fallen order. It’s amazing. But, to the main point, between the two games, it’s a draw. Outcast has a much better story and Katarn is way more interesting. Plus you fight alongside Luke Skywalker! Academy is way better in terms of gameplay. There’s way more options to chose from and the saber combat, whilst slightly dated, still works great.

[@popnlocknes]

Fair enough! not trying to take away from anyone's enjoyment of Fallen Order. Also agree, it's kind of a draw

[@IvanKinkle]

Hey. Jedi Outcast is the sequel to Dark Forces 2. It started as an FPS. It’s a good fps for the time.

[@popnlocknes]

thanks, I know

[@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe]

Outcast is the sequel to MoTS

[@EggyboyYT]

I just started playing Academy and... I'm a bit lost but I'll get there. When I finally max all my powers I'll go to the first mission and absolutely wreck everyone.

[@MrFantocan]

You probably figured this out by now but the best power is HEAL, it keeps you alive, and in hard situations just run heal and hit again. My best combo was Force Rage then heal mid game onward. Against lightsaber enemies, as they can kill you in one hit.

[@popnlocknes]

this

[@PICFL1]

I just got both of these and started with outcast to play them chronologically and its legit the hardest game I’ve ever played in my life. Im gonna play academy and try to come back to it.

[@CaptCondor]

highly agree with you. I like the diversity Academy brought of going to very different locations and of course lightsabers, but the story and feel of Outcast is just too good, even if it takes a while to get a lightsaber.

[@popnlocknes]

I thought it was really good up to a point. Then thought the ending was kinda meh

[@CaptCondor]

@@popnlocknes The ending - starting from the moment you get aboard the Doomgiver - was pretty much what could be expected yes. Still I found it to be enjoyable and in line with the kind of storytelling of Star Wars games. What didn't you like about it?

[@oweeenie1754]

i honestly have head cannon that jedi fallen order is in the same lineage as JO, and JA. it’s literally called star wars jedi: fallen order, same naming scheme. same type of protagonist, customization of the sabers like in academy. i like to think it’s a spiritual successor to those games.

[@space_time869]

Outstanding job man please keep making videos. From start to finish I was entertained and I already played both

[@popnlocknes]

Thank you, my dude. I appreciate that. Consider subscribing and telling anyone else you know who may enjoy. Trying to build the channel to make more content 👍🏽

[@Nathan-mt9im]

Gotta say I prefer academy over outcast, purely because the create a character and everything with that (lightsaber colour, hilt, etc) was something that always appealed to me rather than a set character, Kyle katarn is an absolute badass though and his story is quite interesting. Also liked how academy let you put points in powers at your disposal off the bat rather than unlocking specific powers with each mission, I'd rather start off with force lightning than wait until your near the end to get it maxed/unlocked

[@popnlocknes]

I’m in the same camp

[@Nathan-mt9im]

@@popnlocknes only thing I found annoying for academy was saber combat was a hit and miss, I'd get one shotted almost all the time while enemies would take an absolute beating and still survive But the times that didn't happen, duels were so intense, especially the temple when you choose the darkside

[@popnlocknes]

Academy’s programming definitely felt a bit buggier. I think development was rushed to get the sequel out. I want a third installment where you play Kyle taking down or trying to turn dark Jaden. And/ or play as Jaden, trying to build his own empire. Keep the gameplay largely the same, just smooth it out.

[@Nathan-mt9im]

@@popnlocknes oh definitely! I think a few things could get altered, I think a block/parry system would be quite good, especially for making saber combat a bit more immersive, other than that most of the stuff id mention would be rectified like you say if it was smoothed out

[@damainmane4765]

Call me a late bug but i just started playing Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy about 2 years ago,and I was blown away...Jedi Academy is my favorite out of the entire franchise because i'm pretty much living the life of a Jedi,a Jedi I created from the ground up and thats a Star Wars game I always wanted...Sad I didn't know these game existed around 2003...10 yr old me would've loved them

[@gwthrpain]

shame you missed on multiplayer era ;< search some videos of 'jedi academy lugormod'

[@popnlocknes]

same bro. 10 year old me was in heaven when I discovered this one. Always has been one of my faves for that singular reason

[@popnlocknes]

thats what I hear. Mega FOMO

[@durkken_no_aim]

absolutely agree with everything in this video. I wish they would some more games like these ones.

[@popnlocknes]

I know, right? They really should already. Thanks for the comment 👍🏽

[@Paradox_Edge]

As yes. the ''I have just shit my pants because I was scared shitless by a giant monster but I ALSO HAVE TO RUN BUT OH GOD THE SHIT IS IN MY PANTS AND IT IS UNCOMFORTABLE AS FUCK'' Run. Love that one.

[@popnlocknes]

Seriously. Who was in charge of animating that? So awkward

[@philigator3302]

I have started to play jedi outcast when I was a tree stump and have played it until this day. You could say, I have 32000 Hours of playtime in this game. Still playing on CD. Made my childhood!

[@popnlocknes]

Same. It’s part of my annual play throughs. Crazy how it still holds up

[@TheVastoLordes]

Nothing will ever beat PC late 2000s Outcast online lightsaber combat and force battles. The physics are way different from single player and allow for insane strategies. There are also many glitches turned features that you have to learn to get the upper hand in any way you can. Unfortunately it's dead now. RIP

[@popnlocknes]

I know I see how much that community adored that game. Shame we can't bring it back and update the friggin thing for whatever reason

[@JoeMaranophotography]

I'm playing it as of yesterday and there's still people online. Amazing!

[@ibrahimovic7474]

3:20 that sentence broke my heart. I loved this games but you are right

[@popnlocknes]

Hahaha I’m just messing around. Not trying to legit knock what people love 😆

[@ibrahimovic7474]

@@popnlocknes yeah I know, It's fine haha. It's just that in a second you said something so true and so sad. Those games were part of my childhood and they are nothing but silly stories that came up 20 years ago, they are no longer canon, and nobody remember them. Obviously it is not real sadness, it is just game, but I feel bad for it hahaha

[@rambofan334]

I still remember when I played Jedi Academy for the first time. I hadn't played Jedi Outcast yet, still haven't actually, so Jedi Academy was unlike any game I had played before and I fell in love. It's still my favorite Star Wars game to this very day.

[@Yosoybetopng]

1:58 "..figure it out a lots of puzzles" use bacta to inmediatly goes into de laser instead of avoiding it

[@popnlocknes]

You got the joke. Only real ones get it

[@peterkane9264]

Great video, came just to see if Academy had any FPS because I was looking for some. Looking forward to finally playing these after getting throttled in Outcast two decades

[@kenshi7139]

I love how you edited it to make the Admiral scream in anger after being scorned by Kyle at 01:29 😂

[@acid9460]

3:38 outcast is the sequel to dark forces 1&2, kyle already fell for the dark side and after that rejected the force, thats why he went to the valley of the jedi to regain his powers immediately instead of training for it. You have to check out his whole backstory is pretty fucking cool, best character ever imo

[@popnlocknes]

I do, in fact, know the backstory form the previous titles. Regardless, It’s still not a great story and the option to choose the ending like in academy would’ve given the game a bit more memorability. In my opinion.

[@Ash-Winchester]

My only gripe with jedi outcast is that the way some of the levels are designed don't exactly make it clear on where you're supposed to go and can lead to a ton of backtracking and wasting your time trying to figure out where you're supposed to be going and what you're supposed to be doing, which can be really frustrating. You can spend what feels like hours going back and forth through the same hallways and seeing if there's a button you missed.

[@this_functional634]

For me, the Jedi Knight games' strongest trait was the lightsaber/force combat. So when I realized Jedi Outcast had LESS Lightsaber levels and force powers, I felt a bit teased.

[@popnlocknes]

I think it's the strongest and definitely most memorable trait too

[@haydentravis3348]

"No longer canon." So, it's treason, then.

[@popnlocknes]

lmao

[@slackingstacker]

Playing Outcast on Jedi Master was an experience and a half. Most of it was spent bhopping and spamming the autofire on the blaster rifle attempting to hit enemies

[@Zerinsakech]

I'm proud to say I was able to complete Jedi Outcast without ANY walkthoughs (no internet) but it did take me about a month to finish so there's that.

[@popnlocknes]

quicker than it would've taken me without any guides

[@johndoe9218]

the aiming wasnt bad on mouse and keyboard, but i still agree with you on the outdate fps gameplay. those arena matches back in the day was so fun

[@popnlocknes]

yeah FPS games don't age wonderfully, I think

[@Christian-rb8wk]

Jedi Academy is such a treat. Amazing lightsaber duels and that last mission is always a blast to play through.

[@sanddagger36]

I agree, Jedi Outcast is the better game. If you want a more varied experience or replay-ability, mod the game or use the console commands to get the lightsaber early or get force powers early. Or try doing a bryar pistol only run (Except for against reborns/desaan)

[@popnlocknes]

hfs I could never do a pistol run only. no shot. like actually

[@liukang85]

The FPS part was and is awesone actually... felt just like the movies

[@popnlocknes]

very true and very based

[@SoyaIvansOficial]

2:00 required to solve puzzle Proceeds to towards a laser beams

[@swamphead6578]

I love the FPS parts in Outcast! might be thru rose-tinted glasses tho

[@hugocastilla3102]

A good strength both games share is the engine. It allowed them to do so much crazy stuff without being hiper realistic.

[@popnlocknes]

trewwwwwwwww higher quality than most even today

[@-CrimsoN-]

Maybe it's just me, but I found Jedi Outcast to be as easy as Jedi Academy. What was annoying were some of the puzzles. I can't tell you how long I was stuck in the Nar Shaddaa garbage area, trying to figure out the big brain moment of running through an active garbage crusher to get behind a locked door which then results in getting stuck behind another locked door that requires a password that you must get from Lando...because why not?!? That level was Hell. Combat wasn't any more challenging than Academy. The thing with Outcast/Academy is that a lot of people don't know how to use the lightsaber and usually just spam it like a baseball bat, but there is an actual fighting system. It just isn't explained anywhere in the game. There are KZbin videos about it and people genuinely practice. But its mostly rock, paper, scissors with some maneuvers thrown in. Fast = Most defensive style. Can reflect blaster fire the most. Counters medium. Basically Obi-Wans style. Medium = Average offense and defense. Can sort of reflect blaster fire. Counters strong. Basically Luke Skywalker's style. Strong = Most offensive style. Can't reflect blasters for crap. Counters fast. Basically Darth Vader's style.

[@Wholy]

If you choose the sith path, you will rewarded with a star destroyer spaceship

[@popnlocknes]

best ending ever

[@nateh8796]

"Any major dude would tell you" Steely Dan reference. Nice.

[@popnlocknes]

haha only the major dudes will know

[@awaken_the_dreamers_8475]

Any major dude reporting for duty.

[@VITAS874]

Now 20 years...

[@insanefreegameplay603]

I preferred outcast for the better level design and a story that flows a little better between levels. I don’t mind a bit of old school fps gameplay though. I think academy is way more accessible though like you said. I’d probably recommend to play academy first for most people. Also academy has a green mod called galactic legacy which basically allows you to make your own levels from any era of Star Wars which is quite fun.

[@popnlocknes]

yeah mods are seriously the best. I agree w everything you said. Thanks for the comment brother

[@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe]

R you serious? Outcast's pacing is atrocious (basically Outcast is to Academy what Madness Returns is to American McGee's Alice), level variety non-existent, even Cloud City looks like a grey mess, the Story has 0 stakes (Jan is alive after all, whoo ho) they dropped the progression system and customization from Jedi Knight. Truth be told, due to the awful puzzles, I had the least fun with Outcast. MoTS's story was absolutely worse, but the game was otherwise way more refined and fun, even with the difficulty spike in the last three levels.

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

haha no@@MelindaSordinoIsLiterallyMe

[@mihaimercenarul7467]

@@42ccbskill issue

[@RetroSmoo]

Happy 20th anniversary to Jedi Outcast

[@popnlocknes]

Im so old...

[@VintageNarwhal]

Hey now, I’d argue the game version of Star Wars episode 3 revenge of the sith, while not all it could have been, was great. Lots of fun to be had. Split screen dueling was loads of fun. It wasn’t as great as the Jedi knight games but that doesn’t mean it wasn’t a great game to be a Jedi or sith in / play.

[@popnlocknes]

yeah I remember that one. That was the golden age of Lucas Arts Video games. SO many good ones.

[@facuez99]

wait, you scrolled for force powers on Jedi Outcast? i just used them on the FN(1-12) buttons and i had a lot of fun choking stormtroopers while using force lightning on them at the same time lol

[@popnlocknes]

Those are the controls on a console

[@justagerman140]

'Couple hours in' the first twenty times you play maybe ;)

[@popnlocknes]

lol fr

[@prolamer7]

I say this often, but back then guys who made games actually played them... I mean they did what they wanted to play... now they do it just for paycheck... and if game sux, so what they got money... It is because back then there was hardly any internet so you were doint "the" thing best entertainment there was.

[@popnlocknes]

Interesting about the shifting landscape of game designers over the years. I would have to agree. Sucks what popularity can do to an art form

[@prolamer7]

@@popnlocknes Yup it sops being art and turn into full biz. If you do food for few people in your own restaurant you can do extra things but if you are running fastfood chain... money you make is only benchmark.

[@popnlocknes]

Solid analogy

[@popnlocknes]

Subbed. I’ll check out your stuff 👍🏽

[@prolamer7]

@@popnlocknes It is not my channel ,-) but review is good and not too long

[@UncleDeadly1031]

A Steely Dan reference, not even a minute in? A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@xxdfoster]

I got my first gaming computer ever guys ...I'm 26 lol this the first game I'm playing. Love it amazing...legion y740 2080 gpu

[@popnlocknes]

nice! I've been playing it on PC for my first time recently. It's so much better on the computer. But was still able to enjoy it for nearly 20 years on the ol' Ex Bawks.

[@prolamer7]

To play old PC games ported to consoles on consoles is torture...

[@dinobotpwnz]

Outcast vs Academy is like Seinfeld vs Curb. They're good at different things.

[@popnlocknes]

Excellent analogy

[@jackmcmorrow9397]

talking about this game always makes me feel like a crazy person because I LOVE the gun combat, and how fun it is to combo the shooting with force powers to pull off crazy shit. All the saber combat just kind of felt like a crapshoot to me, i never felt like i was actually hitting anything intentionally. I just slapped on force bullet time, absorb, and strafed around the cultists hoping and praying.

[@jacekmw]

Totally agree, I've always liked Jedi Academy more. It's one of my most replayed games, since it's also pretty short, and you get right into lighsabers and force powers right off the bat. I always preferred dual sabers, since you can throw one saber and still attack with the other. Also - loads of mods available on PC. I've played through the game as Darth Vader, Link (from Zelda), and Scorpion (from Mortal Kombat), just to name a few.

[@ThejollyFrenchman]

I think that a lot of people who blindly praise Outcast have played the game so many times that they don't have to think about where to go and how to progress. The way forward is often obscure, or even actively hidden. Sometimes it's easier to find the secrets than the way forward. Plus, the Nar Shadaa Streets level... Ugh, to this day I have no idea what they were thinking. The first mission you play after getting your lightsaber is a deathtrap filled with snipers carrying blasters that you can't block, so you have to slowly inch your way forward, looking in the distance of the dark map, hoping to spot the snipers before they shoot you. Again, I think the veteran players already know where the snipers are, and where to go to get rid of them optimally, so they don't consider what it's like for someone who just got the game. It's a good game, but it's heavily flawed. A lot of new players just drop it before they even get the lightsaber, or during the Nar Shadaa streets, which says a lot.

[@popnlocknes]

Couldn’t agree more on the Nar Shadaa level. Starts off great, then you go outside...

[@castielffboi]

Jedi Outcast has great gameplay and story that can at times feel halted and muddied by unintuitive level design and puzzles

[@yernow8216]

well I'm sorry but a complete newcomer like a month ago streamed the game and iy yook him like an hour and half to go through the first level of NS but he eventually got it. Man the game is difficult 'cause that's how the old games were made. Ways you have to find yourself, not just the game leading you through out the whole level with simple corridors. It is pain in the ass but you can take out all the snipers on that level, it's really not hard to know where they are. But you're right that many players these days would drop it. When Jedi Academy came out people were super unsatisfied with it's super easy difficulty even on jedi master. Since nowadays singleplayer games are very easy to finish it's much more advisible to play Jedi Academy first and then Jedi Outcast.

[@hugocastilla3102]

That's litteraly my story. I tried Outcast first, but I was getting lost a lot. I used the cheat codes to have a little bit more of fun, but I dropped it. Then I tried Academy, and yes the story is very simple but it's more fun to play. You don't get lost as much as in Outcast

[@KM-qx2qi]

I wish that they could make movie series based on Dark Forces/Jedi Knight franchise instead of Disney Cannon! Dark Forces - Introducing Kyle Katarn! Dark Forces 2: Jedi Knight - Star Wars movie made with Stanley Kubrick's style - full of symbolism and philosophy!

[@popnlocknes]

I wanna see Katarn in the movies or tv shows too. He's far too cool not to be.

[@KM-qx2qi]

@@popnlocknes anyways, Disney version ruined the spirit of franchise!

[@Lassavins]

The real depth and comparison of this games should be on multiplayer. I spent thousands of hours in those servers. Communities, clans, events, clan wars, ranks, custom maps...al the good community stuff. Jedi outcast had a far more complex meta with a way higher skill cap.

[@popnlocknes]

Javier L. I agree. That is the more interesting aspect. I’m just a single player guy. These campaigns still are worth discussing imo

[@hardcoreblanco]

The true good aspect about this two games is the online multiplayer. And yes, jk2 has far deeper meta than jka.

[@yernow8216]

yeah, JK2 mp is much better than JKA mp.

[@lumeronswift]

Jedi Academy was such an incredible game!

[@gwthrpain]

pop on multiplayer :D

[@popnlocknes]

one of my all time faves

[@seventyfourty]

I just started playing Jedi academy and using blasters are a pain to use. I mostly just slice and dice and in the level I'm currently on I ended up with alot of stormtroopers and sith acolytes so I spent a good 30 minutes trying to outrun them and it was not as easy as I thought it would be.

[@popnlocknes]

Hahaha enjoy man. I’m envious it’s your first time to learn all the jenk and all the awesome from academy 👍🏽👏🏽

[@SSJCLIFF]

Jedi Academy has much better lightsaber combat. Even though it is based on outcast's combat it is a lot more polished, especially when you get knocked down. When you get knocked on your behind you have several options on how you would like to get up, some get up methods double as attacks. In outcast you just get knocked down and have to wait to get back up again.

[@hitpeppens2932]

First they were testing waters (Jedi Outcast), then polish, expand, get it better (Jedi Academy). Outcast deserves much more respect.

[@popnlocknes]

I never noticed this but I will now, super interesting fr

[@popnlocknes]

I think it does. Everyone I see overwhelmingly likes outcast the best

[@hitpeppens2932]

@@popnlocknes ah ok then :-)

[@meappeam6917]

I´ve only played jedi academy and have had a ton of fun, lost the count of how many times I´ve replayed the game to use different styles and it just never gets old, the only down side is that I´m playing with a controler so combat is hard sometimes.

[@popnlocknes]

yeah I originally played on a controller, It's way harder but doable. Mouse and Key is the best way fr

[@shalomamigos]

Outcast was my favorite. Academy was still fun, but the levels were too short.

[@DansandoaTV]

Outcast I end up getting stuck and or dying over and over again. Both games are solid but slicing people up in academy is satisfieing to me. Anyway great video man 👍, subscribed!

[@popnlocknes]

thanks!

[@castielffboi]

I love Jedi Outcast I love Jedi Academy I love Fallen Order Feels a little bit unfair to compare Fallen Order and The Jedi Knight games since they’re so much different. Fallen Order does many things better than Jedi Knight games and the Jedi Knight games do things much better than the Fallen Order games but that’s because each is going for a different kind of action genre.

[@popnlocknes]

It’s definitely unfair to compare. Doesn’t take away from my saltiness that they will never continue the Jedi Knight games that I love so much. 😁

[@hankthemiltanktv1306]

Great vid.

[@popnlocknes]

thank you, man I really appreciate that

[@Tounushi]

The level where you lose your lightsaber needs to have force grip maxed out to yield the best results, imo. Just grab a stormtrooper and repeatedly slam him to the ground.

[@Christian-oq3md]

outcast was legendary... i spend so much time in multiplayer its insane

[@sashathedemiroomni4146]

I love Jedi Academy, I play the hell out of the game back in the day

[@darthxertor3617]

"Silly Star Wars stories that came out 20 years ago and are no longer canon" - "silly" is the last thing I'd call these, compared to the massive pile of shit that came out of the Disney canon. I'd take these "silly" stories over that any day.

[@gwthrpain]

kyle katarn stole the death star plans

[@popnlocknes]

based+sigma pilled

[@popnlocknes]

this is the way. I really don't like rogue one...

[@BruceRKF]

I agree with pretty much everything you say in the video. Outcast has the way better story and more interesting protagonist, but it take a lot more time and effort. Academy is a game you can just play for a nice quick hour of fun with the levels being a lot shorter and the game much easier, while Outcast pretty much demands that you take your time. 20 years later, I have yet to come across more enjoyable lightsabre fights than in those games. For anyone interested in some hilarious mischief being done with the games, I can thoroughly recommend "Jedi Outcast Re-Edited", as well as "Jedi Academy Re-Edited", to be found here on KZbin.

[@popnlocknes]

best action lightsaber game and it's been two decades since wtf

[@astroguster5522]

I think academy is way better. Those little changes with the attacks and jumps and most importantly, key-binding

[@polyemphis]

I'm playing Outcast rn on the og xbox. The best weapon in the first level is the taser. I out in the cheat code to start with the lightsaber. On hard, it's still no cakewalk even with the lightsaber.

[@ImWithTeamTrinity]

Be sure to check out the knights of the force mod, for Academy. then you can spawn 100 Jar Jar Binks, and 1 rancor to murder, eat, stomp, smash them all.

[@popnlocknes]

Thank you for doing god’s work. Appreciate, bruv

[@scoundrel8440]

Solution to the FPS controls in both games: Play on PC. Literally every single game has it so that the PC version is superior. You can get smoother framerates and you can actually aim.

[@popnlocknes]

It’s obviously a thousand times better on PC but still has that early 2000s jank

[@grayfox6518]

Jedi Outcast teaches you how to think early game before giving you keys to the Ferrari. It was more immersive to me in showing how difficult life would be without the force and how much Kyle had to compensate with intelligence. It was a lot of restraint that newer Star Wars games lack and it's what made those early levels all the better in retrospect before you reach Nar Shadaa. The only mistake the early levels made was not giving you more access to the rest of the guns starting from Mission 1, which seem pointless after obtaining your lightsaber, but serve all the same functions as the force and your lightsaber.

[@KasumiRINA]

But they had EVERY game starting without force or lightsaber, Dark Forces had no Jedi powers at all and first Jedi Knight it took four levels until you get them. Why they also repeated that in Outcast I don't know it's silly that only Academy is the ONE game where you can use lightsaber from get go (well also Mysteries of the Sith expansion).

[@KasumiRINA]

But they had EVERY game starting without force or lightsaber, Dark Forces had no Jedi powers at all and first Jedi Knight it took four levels until you get them. Why they also repeated that in Outcast I don't know it's silly that only Academy is the ONE game where you can use lightsaber from get go (well also Mysteries of the Sith expansion).

[@KasumiRINA]

But they had EVERY game starting without force or lightsaber, Dark Forces had no Jedi powers at all and first Jedi Knight it took four levels until you get them. Why they also repeated that in Outcast I don't know it's silly that only Academy is the ONE game where you can use lightsaber from get go (well also Mysteries of the Sith expansion).

[@KasumiRINA]

But they had EVERY game starting without force or lightsaber, Dark Forces had no Jedi powers at all and first Jedi Knight it took four levels until you get them. Why they also repeated that in Outcast I don't know it's silly that only Academy is the ONE game where you can use lightsaber from get go (well also Mysteries of the Sith expansion).

[@KasumiRINA]

But they had EVERY game starting without force or lightsaber, Dark Forces had no Jedi powers at all and first Jedi Knight it took four levels until you get them. Why they also repeated that in Outcast I don't know it's silly that only Academy is the ONE game where you can use lightsaber from get go (well also Mysteries of the Sith expansion).

[@cyclonmaster]

I gotta say Outcast is very good, only that Academy give more customize items. dual blade lightsaber!

[@alexleen975]

Was that a steely Dan reference in the beginning?

[@michaelnardini4934]

Incredibly helpful

[@popnlocknes]

Michael Nardini thank you. Glad to be of service