Why Sabine SUCKS - A Scene Comparison

[@homi1001]

Disney really succeeded in making one of the most iconic and lethal weapons into a joke. Get stabbed -twice- by Darth Vader, the most notoriously feared mass murderer in the galaxy? Barely in inconvenience.

[@icespikegaming6786]

Don't forget maul getting cut in half and survived off pure hate and the force but this was unexpected and served a purpose for the clone wars series. Unlike just keeping them alive for no reason and no matter what.

[@John-fk2ky]

@@icespikegaming6786 By itself I found Maul surviving to be a bit ridiculous, but they DID have him start out nuts and require some serious outside effort to bring him back to being a threat. He’s also a villain, so this actually raised the danger to the heroes.

[@MrsMacLover]

surviving fatal light saber wounds is tight.

[@saladinbob]

> Get stabbed twice by Darth Vader, the most notoriously feared mass murderer in the galaxy? He's a man.

[@tomreid3575]

Wow, getting stabbed twice by Darth Vader of all people, must be pretty difficult to recover from that. Actually it's super easy barely an inconvenience.

[@Kazutopia808]

Arcane season 1 was so good. I went in blind, not even knowing the game, and loved every episode.

[@imgkaizer]

That's the beauty of arcane, it has pretty much nothing to do with the game

[@TrungTH1190]

@@imgkaizer It takes characters and their backstories from the game, even some settings. So it does have something to do with the game.

[@imgkaizer]

@@TrungTH1190 Sorry, i did't make it clear, it takes SOME things from the game, like I places and characters, but how they interact and act are very different from the game, jayce is a good example, does he have something to do with the league counterpart? For sure, but he's also very different

[@TrungTH1190]

@@imgkaizer it’s called adaptation, they changed anything that could benefit the story that they wanted to tell. Similar thing happened to any other adaptations.

[@imgkaizer]

@@TrungTH1190 That's pretty much exactly what I said, it's SIMILAR enough to be recognizable, but not to be predictable

[@mundanefantasy6344]

I love shows and films like Arcane because despite Disney's best efforts, they prove that strong, badass AND aggressive female characters can exist and be absolutely amazing

[@John-Stark]

@vergils_plastic_chair"I don't hate you because your a woman, I hate you because you're an Asshole" essentially

[@fishraposo7192]

Arcane has TWO extremely buff women that literally solve their issues by punching each other, and they are both amazing on their own right. The problem isnt't "strong" female characters, the problem is terrible and pandering ones

[@OrichalcumHammer]

French animators of Arcane were using Male mocap and imposing that data on female bodies. Hence you will never see this in Live Action without hiding faces or stunt double who are masked.

[@mundanefantasy6344]

@@OrichalcumHammer that's interesting and makes so much sense

[@kira-dk2mx]

@@OrichalcumHammer Wow, that's cool. God I love Arcane.

[@badconnection4383]

You really expect me to believe that the Lightsaber, an energy sword that is strong enough to cut through metal, has been reduced to a papercut?

[@pittland44]

We don't, but Disney sure as hell does.

[@skylanderlego4163]

Tis but a scratch.

[@shizukagozen777]

​@@pittland44 Lucas movies: **laugh in Darth Maul**

[@anonymousanonym450]

​@@shizukagozen7771

[@cheese3024]

@@shizukagozen777 difference is: Darth Maul was a strong sith apprentice of PALPATINE. Fueled by hatred AND THERE WERE CONSENQUENCES. Its not like he just ducktaped his legs back and walked off. There was an entire story around him, showing the madness he's fallen into. The pain. Dont try to compare todays horse shit to that

[@JimOMoore]

At this stage I am left wondering, is Qui-Gon Jinn the only character NOT to survive being driven through by a lightsabre?

[@iondustt]

Tal Merrik killed by Anakin as well as 2 Zygerrian Slavers, Captain Argyus stabbed by Ventress. Han Solo. Gha Nachkt, Daka and one other unnamed Nightsister and at least 2 Jedi knights killed by Maul and Savage. Also some clones killed by Ventress and Barriss

[@JimOMoore]

@@iondustt I'm going to have to take your word for most of that, since I've never watched any of the cartoons, and so don't get most of your references. Good point on Han though; I must have supressed that memory ;-)

[@volodymyr_budii]

@@iondustt We have no proof that Han Solo died from a lightsaber and not the fall 😛

[@PSC4.1]

​@volodymyr_budii he's dead. Even if the fall didn't get him, the entire planet and station detonating would have finished him, after all that "Palpatine is back" storyline is BS.

[@volodymyr_budii]

@SC4PS That is the point of a joke, unless I told it badly. We don't know if lightsabre would killed him, since all other of this stuff could have done it instead

[@bertvanbeterbed9702]

To be honest, watching The Clone Wars for the first time and seeing the entire Maul plotline play out: First with discount Maul "Savage" and then by actual Maul miraculously appearing from the dead, I wasn't a fan. But through the series I almost completely forgot about the character introduction, because they turned Maul into one of the most iconic and compelling characters of the Clone Wars (and Sam Witwer just killed his role). Even though I still technically don't agree with the discision to raise Maul from the dead, it just goes to show how much a show can get away when a character is well written.

[@chazzitz-wh4ly]

Mail resurrection was very contrived. But it was a good side story with them taking the pirates.

[@deeked700]

He was too angry to die I guess

[@1012-v9r]

@@deeked700 Ironic, since he was set up to die all along, like Ventress.

[@liaratsoni8556]

Agreed. The idea of Maul surviving that is just downright absurd. Still, with Mauls plot line and everything, I was willing to overlook it for such a good story.

[@NinjaFlibble]

I really need them to answer the question of how he takes a shit after he gets his lower body replaced with the robot😆

[@soumyadeepnaskar446]

I can't stop emphasizing on how brilliant of a show Arcane is, like it nails every department of the show - storytelling, visuals, music, character development - everything. Just shows what passionate creators can come up with

[@YorkJonhson]

I haven't seen Ahsoka, but I love the Arcane analysis. Never quite caught all the different ways that Sevika and Vi kept changing up their tactics to compensate for the other's strengths and weaknesses.

[@FireOfSinai]

The death of the well choreographed lightsaber duels is the most egregious offense to me. Even if the story is trash, at least we'd be able to enjoy some cool action between two lightsaber users. You'd think they'd only get better with time, but Disney can't even manage that much. Garbage.

[@MrTurok999]

It like it's stuck in a limbo between being more grounded and deliberate and the high-speed turbo fencing of the cartoons/prequel trilogy, and it just looks fucking awful. Insanely slow spins, ponderous lightsaber swings, I loathe it. I like grounded duels, ala real fencing, Hema, Kendo etc, and I like super flashy twirling lightsaber insane bullshittery, this middle-ground they've chosen is just terrible

[@goestheboom5211]

​@@MrTurok999you guys are sad beings lol get a life 😂😂😂 nothing better to do but talk shit about a fantasy story you have no right over 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Hunterfalke]

@@MrTurok999 I have to say, that first fight between Baylan and Ahsoka felt pretty good to me. Both are interesting characters with a solid reason to fight, both adapt style and moves to their opponent and the fight is also used for storytelling in Ahsoka wavering because of her worries for Sabine. It's actually fairly high up in life action saberfights for me.

[@MrTurok999]

@@Hunterfalke It's better than any singular sequel trilogy fight, I'll give it that much. It wouldn't be anywhere near my favourite but I won't begrudge people liking it, as it's far from the worst ever.

[@MrAgorar]

Hayden Chirstensen apparently was soo good still with the lightsabers that they told him to tone it done, because the other actress couldn't keep up. Like ... this dude loved playing the character enough to retain his skills and still be able to pull off most of the cool and over the top moves he learned 20 years ago. While the one character that is shown in the Clone Wars show to be even more over the top, barely manages to move at all.

[@Nambalavunhelm]

With how many characters have survived lightsaber stabbings it also begs the question, why is stabbing then drawing from the same hole the technique? Wouldn't it make more sense to slice out or something? I feel like there must be an easy way to make sure the enemy is dead. Like Judge Dredd shooting combatants in the head after the belly. Lightsaber users have to be tracking at this point that stabbing is not the ideal technique for killing the opponent.

[@3869426384]

In the Shatterpoint novel (SPOILER), Mace Windu holds his opponent's arm in place so they don't slice it out sideways and kill him.

[@Full_Throttle_Axolotl]

For the same reason lightsaber users aren't going for the limbs anymore, the same reason stabbing isn't effective anymore, the same reason no one's getting slashed in half anymore, decapitated, etc If the consequences of lightsaber fights are too severe, you can't have a gazillion of them in every show/movie without writing actual consequences for them, and writing is hard

[@stellviahohenheim]

You forget who owns light sabers? South Park was right Disney is the worst studio to sell Star Wars to.

[@SaltpeterTaffy]

Indeed. The first lightsaber death on screen was a fucking beheading.

[@Ramschat]

Why bother? Darth Maul was sliced all the way in half and still came back... xD

[@tavelkyosoba]

Apparently Dave Filoni forgot about the arc in rebels where sabine and esra were being trained together and actually did all of that interesting back and forth you described when sparring. It would have been interesting to see that same dynamic, but this time without the safety net of a sparring match. Edit: also Ahsoka is my favorite character so I'm not watching any of the series so they can't ruin her for me.

[@valentinlageot4101]

I like FIloni for having kanan dead cause atleast he doesn't get to ruin one of his creation.

[@k1nk1ne]

Good call. Ahsoka was so badass in mandalorian but in her own show she is fuckn boring. Just walks around, nods and "aha, hmm yes". I was so hyped damn it

[@badgerking9051]

Same here lol

[@ThatOneChaoticDragonQueen]

Exactly. I'm sad I watched the show now...

[@Harpie.]

Ahsoka was fine in her show, she's still damaged from the fight with Vader at the end of Rebels and it's explained that the strained relationship with Sabine are reasons why she still has a wall up. She faces the issues and become much like the usual Snips we're used to. A lot of people just want to complain about her.

[@benjamintherogue2421]

That fight breakdown between Vi and Seveka is just so good. It made me appreciate that fight so much more than I already did. That show really is full of art, I appreciate the people smarter and more attuned to details who keep finding it for me. I require the same people to really mine how truly terrible Star Wars as become as well. I get both in this video. Excellent work.

[@Sonicsion]

If you want a really good breakdown of that fight check out Scenic Fights. It's a channel couple MMA guys that breakdown various fights across live action and animated. They go pretty deep into the whole thing. It's really good

[@RiftAtom]

This best part about all of this, if you’ve watched Rebels, it wouldn’t even help you, because these aren’t the same characters. They’re horrible misunderstandings of them. I enjoyed rebels a lot, and this show is not the sequel series we should’ve got. Maybe dave should’ve paid more attention to how his cartoon characters acted 😁

[@KdogPrime]

I'm from the opposite camp on this. I didn't like Rebels. The few good moments that show had where just overwhelmed by the sheer garbage that comprised most episodes. I didn't like Sabine at all even from the beginning, and I dislike her even more now, but I have to admit you are right; the live-action Sabine is an almost totally different person from the cartoon version. It's like Filoni completely forgot how his show went.

[@thomasedgar8612]

i believe a part of what dave filoni 'forgot' is whatever his superiors force him to keep in a certian way. an important thing about film making is the investors and the people who give money, those who unfortuantly have the final say in things, despite the skill filoni has.

[@ouchiegiverjr]

It’s strange as we have a I liked the show, a I disliked the show. As someone who was meh the whole way through, it genuinely felt like a kid Star Wars show, like one adults really aren’t geared at, the whole vibe was too safe and saber fights were jokes, only once you get really far into the show do you learn to even care, and the one person I DID care for fuckin died!

[@shizukagozen777]

​@@KdogPrime Finally someone like me who didn't like Rebels and Sabine. 😤😂🤝

[@shizukagozen777]

​@@ouchiegiverjr Ikr why did Kanan have to die ?? 😔

[@martinry0427]

I get so thrilled when I see your videos dude. You are hilarious and very smart. Love your LOTR videos but every one I see gets better and better

[@lisaruhm6681]

Also I want to remind you of Obi-Wan vs Cad Bane with Lightsabers, to see how a fight of a trained force user vs a non force user looks.

[@svenanderson3400]

"You shouldn't have to go outside of the story for the story to make sense," my goodness such a good line, great video.

[@Avarn388]

Watching One Piece live action, it really shows how bad the fight choreography is in this series with all the constant cuts and being very hard to figure out what’s going on. Whereas even fights with Luffy you can tell what’s happening even with the dark backgrounds. Also Arcane rocks.

[@shizukagozen777]

Ok ?

[@willow1601]

I would say the fight scenes are my least favorite part of One Piece live action. Only ones that have to do with Luffy. I was just wondering why he takes damage at all, considering the mace hit he took in the first episode(while not protecting his hat might I add). The character work is great, probably even better than the anime for every character except zoro.

[@mrmcawesome9746]

@@willow1601 Why luffy takes damage is a question for the manga just as much as the live action tbh, especially since he's supposed to be immune to things like bullets as well.

[@willow1601]

@@mrmcawesome9746 probably why I didn't watch One piece before seeing the characters in live action, since the live action is good at not wasting time while developing the characters. Watching the first season of the anime is a bit of a slog for me.

[@LuiTheDJ]

Can we just appreciate for a second this man's hard work?

[@PolishGoblinn]

you mean editing? yeah it's really good but script has a lot to be desired. i like the aggressive and blunt reactions to bs these shows present but he doesn't need to be so vulgar

[@LuiTheDJ]

@@PolishGoblinn i guess.

[@salvation1176]

@@PolishGoblinn agreed, I’d also say that, he had sensible arguments, but there was also a lot of fluff in there, for example. I didn’t think that it was a cardinal sin for Ahsoka to use the force in zero G in order to maneuver, or for lightsabers to give surface level cuts. I feel that these are just minor things that he picked on, although, with some of his other points I agree with.

[@JN-vt7mz]

Those few seconds of the prequels looked so much better than the current disney sw

[@chasehedges6775]

Revenge Of The Sith from beginning to end is miles beyond anything from KK Star Wars

[@Dolavin]

⁠@@chasehedges6775sure other than andor and parts of clone wars

[@chasehedges6775]

@@Dolavin Mandalorian S1 and S2 are interesting 😊

[@JonTheJedi]

@@Dolavinthe only season of clone wars Disney did was 7 and that was awful monies the last two episodes. 12 episodes and 10 of them were awful.

[@Dolavin]

@@JonTheJedi four of them were awful, four were mid, four were spectacular

[@Idea_of_Lustre]

16:17 I should leave a note here. While ‘Clone Wars’ and ‘Rebels’ include a lot of history for these two characters, none of that history is shared. Throughout the 11 collective seasons of television, they only share about 3 scenes and exchange no dialogue. They have no previous relationship whatsoever, other than that which is vaguely alluded to in this show.

[@1stmorgoth289]

But that would make it more important to explain why they are together in this series. If they had a whole satisfiing history in rebels, then we could atleast say its in their, but as of right now they have nothing together in either show. And 50% of their dialogs are just pauses wich doesn´t help either.

[@cristiancandru8610]

@@1stmorgoth289 Remember the first scene in episode 1, when Ahsoka finds that ancient temple, probes the force for 10 minutes, all in silence, then after she finds the key, she contacts Hueyang, they speak for 5 seconds before they are jammed by the nuclear droids? Imagine the same scene, but this time Ahsoka arrives at the temple, she contacts Hueyang then, and she spends the next 10 minutes doing exactly the same things for finding the key, but in the meantime she is having a conversation with Hueyang through which the viewer is given exposition. The viewer is happy and engaged because he understands what's going on, the characters are developed through dialog, the actors are happy because they get to act, the pacing is fixed, it doesn't feel boring, and Disney doesn't have to invest not even 1 extra $ in that scene. A simple small change, everybody wins. But all it requires is a competent writer.

[@robbhays8077]

Ahsoka should have died in season 2 of Rebels: change my mind.

[@Idea_of_Lustre]

@@robbhays8077 Not gonna try, I completely agree.

[@ltb1345]

@@robbhays8077 Correct.

[@abadyr_]

Since Vi did plan and lead the robbery which resulted in the destruction of a building, I wouldn't say she was "wrongfully" locked away. She really was the culprit Piltover was looking for, even if Marcus did not charge her for it to hide her (continuing) existence to Silco. (only officially though. I'm sure his solving this case for the council was among the reasons he became sheriff). Anyway, this has nothing to do with the point of this video (which I'm sure will be great, so... moving on to watching the rest.

[@wolfidessdragondol]

Technically, it was wrongfully, given a life sentence for a robbery without even a trial

[@taloutezero]

Was it legal for Jace to have been developing those highly destructive objects in a residential building?

[@UnknownOps]

​@@taloutezerowas it even right to stifle one's ambition and growth with fear, doubt, deceit, and self-interest? Jayce had every right to experiment with Hextech.

[@taloutezero]

@@UnknownOps I asked if it was legal. I never asked if it was right. In that case then, is it right for Zaun to be treated as second class citizens to Piltover? Is it right that the only way for them to make a decent living under the boot of Piltover is to have a "crime behind every coin"? Robin Hood is considered a noble figure. And Vi was stealing stuff to sell to Vanders brother in that shop. Him acquiring that stuff would allow for more commerce in his shop.

[@tonysmith9905]

@@taloutezero Did you really just compare Robin Hood to lil' kid thieves? Sure, the kids were stealing cuz they don't have much opportunity to make money any other way, but c'mon. Nothing about what they did was "noble". Robin Hood was stealing from a corrupt and traitorous government, then giving that money back to those that still favored the true King, the Church, and the poor. Vi and her gang had absolutely no intentions of helping any one but themselves. Sure, they're the protag, but that doesn't mean what they did was right.

[@pittland44]

Who else just wanted a sincere adaptation of Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command rather than anything Disney has done at this point?

[@darkvisiongothacked]

the second i heard Thrawn was going to be in it im like "oh they are going to beyond wreck him". One of the "smartest" plot/character writers in sci-fi was needed to create a believable villain who is just SO smart that even other "geniuses" fall victim to his traps again and again. Frist time through you NEVER saw them coming, and it wasnt "ha mcguffin you couldnt of expected!" it was always "oh shit i FORGOT about that!" or "Oh wow i never thought to use it that way!". From a throw away line of dialog in the OT that was never touched on again about cloaking devices, not only did we see them in the flesh so to speak, we also see them used in an incredibly unique and dangerous way. Only to find out there was MORE to it, again and again. plots within plots, oh how well it was done. Disney hasnt had that kind of writing capability in arguably decades. Now add in that basically all the characters you would need to make the books into a movie are dead in universe, real life, or both...ofc everything has to change and there is just no way that modern Disney is up to the task of making him a believable villain. End of the day its almost impossible to write a character smarter than you are, and considering Disney writers are about as smart as a paint huffing 3 year old...it was doomed in every way from the start just for that. i didnt bother watching any of it because why would i let the greatest written villain in EU history be ruined that way. Disney has repeatedly at this point managed to come up with shows and movies somehow worse than say splinter of minds eye or crystal star. something thought to be almost impossible considering just how horrendously written those books are.

[@nookmiles1895]

​​@@darkvisiongothacked"Paint huffing 3-year-old." Priceless. In my opinion, it's better to write a brute force villain if you don't think you can write a truly cunning one. That way, at least you don't look like a fool.

[@darkvisiongothacked]

@@nookmiles1895 they would never do that, first they would have to be introspective enough to realize they dont have the capability to write a character like Thrawn.

[@JaimieSch]

"For all the people going to say you need to watch Rebels and Clone Wars to understand this show." Oh no, as someone who has watched both, I promise that will not make this show make any more sense. Actually, it makes drastically less, because you'll wonder when Ahsoka, Sabine and Hera were all killed and replaced by robotic duplicates, poorly mimicking want were once actual characters with personalities. This was a great analysis of why this fight sucks. I agree completely with your point about how Sabine should have used her ranged skill set, instead of pretending to be jedi, when she's not even force sensitive. Ironically, Dave Faloni actually once knew how to write fight scenes between non-force users and jedi, by having them do just that. The fight of Cad Bane vs Obi Wan and Quinlin Vos, from Clone Wars, is much closer to how this fight should have gone down. Bane has a very similar weapons set to Sabine with her mandalorian armor; jet boots to fly, duel blaster pistols, explosives, and a wrist mounted flame thrower and cable launcher. He uses all these tools combined to fend off two jedi, whilst he escapes back to his ship. Now, that fight definitely has issues too, like Bane stealing Vos' lightsaber to briefly duel Obi Wan for some reason, but it's way better than this nonsense. Bane uses his jet boots to keep his distance whilst attacking from range. He throws explosives and uses his flamethrower to attack the jedi from range with weapons they can't deflect with their lightsabers. When they do get close, he uses his cable gun to restrain them and his shock gauntlets to electrocute Obi Wan. Sabine should have used similar strategies here. Obviously, you would need to start the scene with her actually wearing her armor, which just doesn't now for some reason. Then she could use her jetpack to fly and attack from range. She even has sonic wave launchers on her gauntlets, that she can use to push the Sith lady away if she gets too close. You can still have her lose the fight, by taking a less obviously fatal injury, and her wearing armor would actually make her surviving even more plausible. Maybe, the sith throws her lightsaber and hits Sabine across the chest, but the armor takes most of the damage, so she isn't cut in half. That would have made for a much cooler fight, where both combatants get to look competent, and would not have resulted in yet another case of someone surviving being impaled by a blade hot enough to melt metal.

[@WardenNFG]

the characters felt more like charcters in rebels, something very clearly marketed towards children, then in the live action series. Literally the only people with any character in Ahsoka is Ray and the Robot. Even Anakin isn't quite the same, and thats from someone who knows they were baited in by Hayden appearing and enjoyed it. (mostly because young ahsoka doesnt move like an 80 year oldl when she fights) even if that also felt like a dance.

[@tygrenvoltaris4782]

Bruh her character in rebels was better, no all the characters that are now in ahsoka that are known were better before the ahsoka series.

[@WardenNFG]

@@tygrenvoltaris4782 err yeah, thats what I said.

[@tygrenvoltaris4782]

@@WardenNFG yes and end

[@pittland44]

Why do I get the feeling that so much of what's wrong with Ahsoka derives from Dave Filoni being unable to direct live action people? Because it seems like half this shows problems derive from a lack of understanding of the differences between animation and live action (I think that's half the problem with the pacing, which is atrocious). Also, what the hell is up with them going to another galaxy? In the novels (which Disney said don't exist but now they're openly referencing, Heir to the Empire anyone?) Thrawn was active in the Unknown Regions of the main galaxy undertaking various missions for the Empire. Why couldn't they just do that?

[@rexedous3908]

My dude, all of Star Wars was and is marketed towards children.

[@Doctorrr_]

I loved listening to your commentary on the Vi vs Sevika fight, because not only was it a great analysis on why it's so good, but I can already tell what the Sabine fight isn't going to do from the points you emphasize 😅

[@ironheadedDoF]

I remember my appendix going bad. After the surgery, which was well done with orthoscopics, there was NO WAY I was sitting up in bed, without heavy medication and a scaffold behind my back. F-off, Filoni.

[@casualfanatic4217]

I can watch Arcane until the heat death of the universe while watching Ahsoka feels like the heat death of the universe but slower.

[@matthewhungerford1861]

Vi was good as she made everything worse for her self as he made rash decision after rash decision. its actually very refreshing to see a character fail if their plan is super dumb as it gives stakes to the conflict.

[@BrianHartman]

It's surprising to me how badly they screwed up Sabine's character. I do think the writing for Ahsoka's character gets better as the show goes along, but it seems really clear to me that they had no idea how to write Sabine. They basically have her make constantly bad decisions and give her a luck dragon.

[@sjmcc13]

The show is filled with people making beyond stupid decisions, to the point there are only a few characters who do not make any, Balan Skoll, Ezra (other then wearing the Night Trooper armor when he leaves the shuttle, the Dark Mothers (who mostly just do what Thrawn asks) and MAYBE Thrawn (the fight at the tower only makes sense if he wanted someone to sneak onboard, otherwise seal and lock those doors, including the internal ones, before they arrive, and maybe block some core passages he needed to stall not to fight). IT gets better but it is still filled with dumb moves. But Sabine is the worst offender and acts less mature then she did in Rebels season 1, only to picks up the idiot ball and run with it multiple times. There are several points where is she did not act the idiot Thrawn would not have gotten his return at the end of the season. She took the map they know people are looking for out of a secured area, to a unsecured area that is a known location to anyone who knows her history, when they know the other side is aware Ashoka got it and any known associate with the skills to decode the map will likely be targeted. She did not destroy it when she had the chance, but gave it to Balan.

[@olafgurke4699]

@@sjmcc13 Ahsoka the series is filled with what I've heard to be referred to as "dumb-ception". There are so many moronic decisions made by the characters (on both sides) that only work because the other side follows up with an equally stupid decision. And Sabine is at the center of most of them.

[@ArthurPhulusa568]

Feloni was trying out "show don't tell" but he ended up showing and telling nothing and still expected the audience to get it

[@ethankillion786]

Like all characters in Arcane shes got an incredibly deep character but here are two things that I think are most important. She represents the viewer in a way. After the first act there is a massive change happening and we dont know whats going on. Neither does Vi and she has to discover this new world like we do. This makes her incredible relatable as a protagonist. Arcanes theme is all about change. Vi is the only character that doesnt go throu this change. Shes got an amazinly well written flat arc and experiences the change around her. So not only is she the perfect bridge between Piltover and Zaun but also between fiction and viewer.

[@actionpants3138]

That last 20 seconds of your video really summed up the writing of both shows better than most arguments I’ve seen, vander’s speech to vi is just great

[@joshuatran1556]

The Lucas non-lethal special was severing limbs. While it had its thematic line in the original trilogy to show Luke becoming Vader, elsewhere the existence of perfect prosthesis made it just as inconsequential. That's why Qui Gon had to die: To bring back stakes. Ever since Disney took over, severed limbs are deemed too gory, so they had to go with gut shots instead. And since it's Disney, nobody dies because they can't lose the potential sales later on.

[@ryanfuerst2406]

Arcane knows how to write strong women, Ahsoka knows how to pander to them.

[@Diogolindir]

Dude, the old lightsabers from the prequels have some serious Umph to it and also how they "scream" when they quickly touch another lightsaber. It feels very menacing.

[@thoughtful1233]

That first two minutes was the best takedown of modern Star Wars in that short an amount of time.

[@andrewvillers6447]

Good analysis, well thought out and properly critical. I personally would’ve gone with Sabine and Ahsoka looking for Ezra after encountering Pantoran pirates who had scavenged a Star Destroyer in the Unknown Wild Space, leading to them finding traces of Ezra’s battle with Thrawn, which then leads to them eventually discovering the Chiss Ascendancy, where Ezra is being held prisoner, forcing them to adapt to a new civilization who’s completely alien to their usual sensibilities.

[@ryko3698]

I’ve never watched either show but now I want to watch arcane. What I love about the fight scene is that there’s no crazy jump cuts all over the place and it actually looks like a real fight between two combatants. The Sabean (Sabine is the villain from leven thumps) fight just looks like two actors still trying to practice their choreography.

[@mainsource8030]

arcane is a masterpiece , it and true detective season 1 are the two best shows ive ever seen. imagine how good it has to be for a 46 year old dude who doesnt usually like animated programs to absolutely fall in love with it.

[@FilmCritictheone]

Thank you for your great videos, your hard work is appreciated

[@orn8471]

Arcane has just so many insane lessons to learn when it comes to storytelling and I fn love it

[@kongzlla]

I want Duel of Fates to be played at my funeral dawg. That shit is too good

[@Tarquin2718]

If Thrawn had killed Sabine immediately he would have had no further problems. Ezra would remain with the crab people and Ahsoka would have nowhere to go. The smug looks in Ahsoka is just pure horror Arcane is one of the best shows of the year. I love this series so much

[@Voice_Over_Reason]

A weapon that had serious menace to it is now less threatening than a cold

[@garrettoliveto7483]

Arcane really is fantastic. keep up the good work

[@AndreVeaseyJr]

I'm okay with a Sith or Dark Jedi taking a stab or losing a hand and not only not dying but to keep fighting. The Ninth Sister is an excellent example. However, normal people and most Jedi can't survive something like that.

[@justv7536]

Me when I get cut in half by a light Saber (equivalent to a paper cut):

[@deepprakash4841]

those who say that " oh you need to watch clone wars to understand the history" yate yate, well i did not hv to learn about LOL lore and i still loved every second of arcane.

[@Timothy_-ve2zp]

League Of Legends didn't take place in the same continuity as Arcane. TCW and Rebels do take place in the same continuity as Ahsoka, I'm sorry you're kinda expected to watch A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back to understand Return Of The Jedi.

[@Tigerdude10000]

Qui gon looking at all the characters survive the wound he died from: WTF

[@CloneCommanderQutibahAlFarouqi]

Clone Trooper Arc Colt: 😢

[@ergob3907]

I just think being a mandalorian turned Imperial turned bounty hunter turned rebel turned jedi is a bit too much. I actually like that she sold Ahsoka out. Gave her flaws.

[@captaintristan1176]

Darth maul can survive getting cut in half but it took years for him to recover. But jedi and qui gon can die to a single blaster bolt or lightsaber stab and they just die. While non force users or normal ppl can survive a lighsaber stab or shot to the gut. Bruh.

[@Carrity]

Sabine actually got stabbed in the rib and it didn't remain too long i think. Maul stabbed qui quon in his spine and it remain there for a while.

[@Commander_Shepard.]

@@Carrity Bruh it's a lightsaber. A superheated plasma weapon that can burn through metal doors. I don't think the duration of how long it stays in a flesh body matters. lol

[@seasonedvase2702]

My only slight defense is that sabine does actually know how to use a saber and the pose she goes into at the start is the stance ezra taught her to when she was trained. Otherwise that was horrible, and it doesn't help that they made it look like she had never held the light stick before.

[@TickerSymbolYOU]

"Taking 10 years to say nothing" is such a great way to put it and low key the hardest insult I've ever heard

[@jasons5916]

I don't think "Blondie" waited for Sabine to solve the map, I think she just didn't find her before she solved it. Of course, she should have just left after the droids stole the map for at least the reason that Ahsoka and Sabine wouldn't really know who took it. But they had to have a light saber fight so...

[@MrShadowSmith]

Blondie could have easily killed sabine after she stabbed her like slash her lightsaber sideways to cut her in half. Sabine's plot armor was just too thick.

[@JPWrites]

"But this is Disney, and she has purple hair..." can't argue with that logic 😂

[@PSC4.1]

And this is why you pay attention to past episodes for the sake continuity, as someone pointed out earlier if they stuck to Sabine fighting like a mandalorian, she would have done fine story wise. Giving her the force is just a perticipation award that she doesn't need to have. Being non force sensitive and being able disarm a Jedi on fighting skill and gadgets alone is an achievement against a Jedi or a Sith because of how hard it is without getting murdered.

[@TheNardow]

I come for the content but I stay for the editing. Well done, my friend. I thoroughly enjoy your videos! Keep going!

[@Rurik_Luci]

1:20 That is the only one I don't have a full agreement with. Beskar is the only reason Mandalorians didn't get wiped out by the Jedi during their war with them. The reason he can take so much damage is because his suit is pure and not an alloy. This armor is so tough, you can take a human effectively and now they are able to go toe to toe with a Jedi and have a chance at surviving.

[@jacobjohnson9213]

It is exceptionally rare for any show or movie to emphasize armor and the difference it makes, full on fantasy movies ignore armor all the time too. While surviving the blunt impact of a Rancor is pretty dumb, the Mandalorian mostly uses armor quite well. Its just Star Wars and every other popular series have trained us to see armor as a cool costume instead of a functional tool. It doesn't help that every other kind of armor in the show is basically worthless and it really doesn't help that lightsabers are about as dangerous as extra butter on popcorn now.

[@Arcturuos]

yeah a massive missed opportunity, to explore the fall of Mandalore, and how Sabine's reaction to it and how it led to Ashoka leaving her. that would have been a great character development, great tragedies tends to catalyze character growth be it good or bad. it will push the boundary on what we think we know about a character.

[@AmitCinematicUniverse]

If anyone wants a good Star Wars story, I would highly recommend reading Outcast Blades by The Incredible Muffin. It is a story about a Stormtrooper named Ryan Nimbus who was betrayed by the Empire and became a mercenary who works for the Rebels. Over the years, he is trained by Starkiller in close combat, and despite not having the Force, he managed to strike the Jedi once in one of their training sessions years after the New Republic was formed. He is good, but he is no match to much more powerful people.

[@simo5678]

What annoys me most is how stupid it is that Shin only stabbed her. If you look at fight scences from Witcher this would have been the the perfect opportunity to just pull the light saber up and split Sabine in two halfea. If Shin wanted to kill her, why not make sure she did. She was in no rush whatsoever

[@LawAndBedlum]

12:54 "This is Disney and she has purple hair" had me rolling 😂😂😂

[@Lucaca-vp7po]

Working as a script writer for Disney must be the easiest job on earth, and jt definitely pays well

[@njeruArts]

Scene comparisons are back, YEEEAAHH!!!🎉

[@BobSmith-zq6gz]

I'm just always amazed that 100% of disney females never get sweaty, tired, or ever have their perfect make-up ruined. Nothing says "zero stakes" like when your character shows no signs anything is ever happening.

[@Tsathogguah]

Vi was a great character. Though strong, she never completely lost her feminie side as she was also caring/nurturing to her sister. Also really MET expecations set in the game itself. No damn subversion, just a very good interpretation of what that character should act like.

[@realityshifter3399]

How is Vi feminine?

[@fatalshore5068]

​@@realityshifter3399caring and nurturing.

[@realityshifter3399]

@@fatalshore5068 Those are exclusively feminine traits? Btw, was Vi caring and nurturing when she abandoned Jinx?

[@beden653]

​@@realityshifter3399bit she never abandoned Powder

[@realityshifter3399]

@@beden653 She kinda of did though.

[@reyarturonegro5284]

Sabine doesn't work as a Jedi, a Mandalorian would be cooler, A Jedi is a Samurai, a Mandalorian is a Ninja. A Mandalorian is literally a Batman who kills, his weapons must be explosives, tricks, nets, bombs: smoke light or sound, rocket booster, missiles something that a Jedi cannot repel with his saber.

[@wladyslawderstreiter9078]

i really appreciate this series

[@hulmhochberg8129]

Damn those "Long Rests" really are powerful!

[@jeremywalsh5666]

"Filoni is a fucking child" hahahahahahaha!!!

[@ThatOneChaoticDragonQueen]

Qui-gon, don't panic, you'll be fine!!! Sabine survived right?

[@H2OGunpla]

Reva hit the inquisitor dead center. Do you know what that means? IT MEANS HE HAS NO FRIGGIN SPIIIIINNNEEEE. HE DIDNT EVEN HAVE ANYTHING TO BE ANGRY ABOUT. NOT LIKE MAUL DID.

[@eggdashure]

That "I can't watch anymore..." at the end hit hard. I used to watch Star Wars with my son, but Disney ruined that.

[@dragonmac1234]

In my opinion expecting the audience to watch other shows to know who the characters are here is a problem (not the only one, but it is a big one). I don't regularly watch Disney Star Wars so I don't know who 99.9% of the characters are, and the creators just expect us to keep up with whatever BS they put on the screen. Luke, Han, Leia and a group of underdogs travelled the galaxy to fight the Empire in the original trilogy. These planks of wood just stare at each other or engage in crap lightsaber fights.

[@fatalshore5068]

Man i love arcane, such a gem.

[@Yojack872]

You have to think that they're doing this on purpose. There's no way that they can be this incompetent without it being an active choice

[@DrawPG]

nowadays Starwars follows DnD Rules where they sleep for 8 hours and all their wounds magically heal

[@mangaas]

@5:40 that choke slam with the camera tilt synced with the motion is so satisfying. Its a shame they didn't release season 2 of Arcane. One of the few Woke shows, that was actually well written and entertaining to watch.

[@seriousnesstv7902]

Well the thing is that many woke shows can be well written when they prioritize their writing as much as they do their agenda/diversity

[@gaiusfulmen]

@@seriousnesstv7902 Agree. Political messages and or priorities are fine but not at the expense of the story itself.

[@johnnyfroggo7361]

Season 2 of Arcane is still coming tho?

[@beden653]

​@@johnnyfroggo7361of course. In 2024

[@RuneKatashima]

Season 2 is still coming and the thing about the show is it's not really woke. There is no main character in League lore, they're just a few of many and these ones, their Arcane personalities tracks to the game personalities. So it's just how they are. Woke has an agenda, but the show was just telling their story and didn't overemphasize faking being what they're not for a message. There was hardly even a message, just people being people. Having a female lead in a 'power' role isn't woke. We've been doing it for decades before the term existed and we've experienced plenty of good writing with female leads.

[@darko-man8549]

Filoni is hailed as a messiah of SW but, Clone Wars was only directed by him. Then Rebels, a worse show, had him given more control. Then, a live action show, where he is running the show is putting him at his worst. Animation also gives creators a bit of a guise to hide behind. Now, there is no guise. The acting does not help. I don't get why Rosario Dawson is portraying Ahsoka as an emotionally devoid monk and Sabine's actor is just dead in the eyes it seems. But the writing does not lend itself to helping the actors at all. The characters aren't anything like they were in Rebels, makes me wonder if Filoni even remembers the characters from his show. I think Disney must've told the production "this show needs to be watchable to everyone no matter how much star wars they've seen" - hence the characters are all written out of dirt

[@JustTooDamnHonest]

That is the difference between those who give a sh*t about their work(Arcane) for Vi went in and got a sneak attack on her foe and that foe got up and used her best weapon against Vi and once Vi's back was against the wall she remembered her training and as Vi relaxed she adapted to the situation and used the environment to her advantage against her foe. But in the end Vi lost due her foe mentioning her sister and the foe saw her opening and that was Vi's near fatal mistake and showcases that Vi's foe is a formidable threat and that is just one of several reasons why Arcane is top tier. But here are those who do not give a sh*t about their work(Ashoka) for the fact that we know that Sabine is not enhanced with cybernetics that her attacks on a droid should've ended with Sabine's fist broken, elbow brushed and not to mention her in pain from that asinine display and then there is the "lightsaber duel"(yeah it barely even registers as one) Shin should've just left, but she fights against Sabine and Shin had so many times to kill Sabine. But Shin stabs Sabine and for those who do not know is that lightsabers are plasma and if you are stabbed and it hits an organ then your blood will boil and the organ will liquefy turning that organ into slop and when that happens you are 100% dead or Shin could've just pulled the lightsaber to the left leaving a hole on Sabine left side. But the bottom feeder known as Dave Filoni continues to bend over backwards by coming up with any BS excuse to save his beloved characters(he has done it with Ashoka Tano, Cad Bane and now Sabine) and I'll just end this with one more thing and that is Sabine is not force sensitive and was never hinted at for this is Dave changing his characters in order to fit this BS story and that is just one of several reasons why Ashoka is low tier. Also on a personal note that this is something that neither Kathleen Kennedy, Rian Johnson and Dave Filoni will never understand and that is in the Star Wars mythos we are all connected to the force, but there are only a few who are sensitive to it and those types can harness the force and use it and that is what makes this fictional galaxy more unique foe the Jedi and the Sith make this galaxy more alien then it already is and KK, RJ and DF didn't get the lesson that when everyone has the force, then no one else will. Jedi Brooks you have done well yet again and I hereby announce that you have just gained another sub to your channel my good sir.

[@stephanepoirier5582]

Love the sarcastic tone; subtle at time. Does not mean your are wrong or that your arguments are not carefully thought out or worded.

[@nilefly]

the fact that people defend that sabine/whats-her-face lightsaber fight is mind boggling. "well, are you sure she hit a vital organ?"

[@skylanderlego4163]

"She survived because it missed vital organs." *My brother in the force, if it melts metal, it melts you.* Lighsabers burn hotter than a nuke, everyone around a nuke is vaporised instantly. In what galaxy can you survive upwards of 3500°C?

[@PrejudicePain]

Sabine definitely should have died or been in a coma at the least, I do disagree with the video commentator on "the fight should have never happened" as Darth 'blondie' throughout the show seems eager to test and prove herself in combat.

[@itsgonnabeokay9341]

Proving herself in combat against someone who is holding a lightsaber for the first time in her life, yeah very impressive 😂 @@PrejudicePain

[@PrejudicePain]

@@itsgonnabeokay9341 She doesn't know Sabine is severely out of practice, it isn't Sabines first time with a lightsaber either, she handled one in rebels quite well when she had her edge still.

[@sarinat3101]

Why does nobody in the universe ever pull their lightsaber out of a stab wound sideways...

[@inthemiddleofsomecalibrations]

It's such a shame how thoroughly they butchered these characters. Sabine and Ahsoka used to be two of the most well-written characters in all of Star Wars and great examples of compelling, strong female characters. Now they're a shadow of their former selves. It's honestly a bad joke at this point.

[@rossburney8713]

Sabine was never will written. If she was in the episode of rebels than everything was fine because "bombs". Not a may Mary Sue, because she was trained, but an instant suspense killer

[@John-fk2ky]

@@rossburney8713 I think you missed a few episodes. There’s quite a few episodes where Sabine doesn’t have a solution when it would have been really helpful for her to have one.

[@inthemiddleofsomecalibrations]

@@rossburney8713 There are quite a few episodes where she actually fucks up or where blowing things up almost resulted in the mission failing.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

9:00 Now, to be fair: a long, awkward pause is not a lack of writing. It's specifically conveying that things are awkward or tense between two characters. Then, Ahsoka, instead of trying to smooth things over, immediately goes over to work, showing that she is not interested in making things work with Sabine. Saying that it's "nothing" is fundamentally misunderstanding the basic nature of human interactions. Don't get me wrong, Sabine is a boring character in this show, but this is a bad take.

[@itsgonnabeokay9341]

There are better ways to convey such things than just a boring pause and stone face

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

@@itsgonnabeokay9341 Oh? What would you have done for their first meeting, then?

[@olafgurke4699]

@@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Stay within the established characters in the first place. Second, awkward pauses can be used to get a point across, yes. But this show overdoes it. Every second interaction has half-minute pauses. If you want to keep the awkwardness, make it like 10 seconds, that's enough to get the point across without being overly boring.

[@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel]

@@olafgurke4699 I actually went and checked and their pause was far less than 10 seconds. And they're not a common thing in character interactions either, so I am not sure what you're talking about.

[@fabianseewald7884]

+ arcane should end the assumption that scify fans are racists or sexist as it is actually inclusive, both to alphabets and ethnics and universally loved, just because it is sooo good that u can watch it 3 times in a row after you stumbled onto it

[@burger_person115]

Filoni is worse than a child. children dont get their badly written fanfics about their own OCs(which breaks lore and their characters) made into shows that *somehow* people praise as peak star wars because half the fanbase is snorting nostalgia constantly.

[@asaknight321]

First off it's great to see people still praising arcane for being a breath of fresh air. SECOND as someone who grew up with both clone wars and rebels it pains me a bit that they did some poor choices in Ahsoka. For the most part it's got less problems than bob of break fest and Obi cannoli's show but then again they managed to make secret invasion one of the better to of the worst shows in less than 3 episodes. Please don't mess this up Dave Bologna and give us something good

[@musicwizardtom]

Arcane is a masterpiece that modern disney should aspire to

[@ryankirksey520]

Why people like this show so much it's boring and don't make no sense

[@chasehedges6775]

The woman are hot, I’ll say that

[@orgANGmo]

Because at least it has some lightsabers. The bar is quite low.

[@Megatron-1]

Fan service, the same thing happened with Obi-Wan in 2022. You're going to have to wait a few months for people to look at the series more objectively...

[@codybraasch4232]

I wish I knew.

[@grandarkfang_1482]

>Arcane in the thumbnail OH, the Misery!

[@jeremywalsh5666]

Arcane was awesome. The writing was so much better than anything in Star Wars (Andor is an exception). Thanks for highlighting this.

[@mazkeraid4039]

Not even Andor can come close to Arcane because it is not too close to modernity of politics.

[@jeremywalsh5666]

@@mazkeraid4039 up for debate. I’m not disagreeing, I’m actually rewatching Arcane now, and there are just so many layers.

[@Fujtajblus]

Main character.. yes, exactly! The show is called "Ahsoka" yet the main character seems to be Sabine... what a joke.

[@pierluigidipietro8097]

Arcane is a damn masterpiece, written by someone that is a true writer and full of respect for his audience, giving a multi layered compelling narration. Arcane is for adults: Disney is just a child's joke written for very very little children.

[@olafgurke4699]

I'd say Arcane is for everyone. Young teenagers can enjoy it, too. But Disney Star Wars is, for the most part, for nobody. Written for an audience that doesn't exist.

[@victorwallec2534]

"i cant watch anymore" I am suprised this meme didnt blew up since Disneys take over. Perfectly sums up everything since then

[@rubydoo3307]

I've never seen Arcane, but I think you just sold me. Can someone give me more information on where to see it? What it is? I'm a little lost.

[@jedibrooks7235]

Netflix series based off the game league of legends. Fantastic show

[@rubydoo3307]

is it okay if I don't know anything about the game?@@jedibrooks7235

[@Timothy_-ve2zp]

@@rubydoo3307 Definitely. I watched it even without having played the game before and it's still great.

[@maybejvde]

"The dialogue is dryer than Tatooine in the summer." No statement has been more accurate.

[@Jordie_42]

Using Arcane as a comparison? That's not fair.

[@BingleFlimp]

The idea of a Mandalorian becoming a Jedi is a cool idea but I think it needs to be done as a premise of a story, as the character’s backstory. It shouldn’t be an addition to the character at a later date. Could very well be that that I’m just a big ol’ misogynist, but you already have a character that is established as a teenage Mandalorian with a passion for graffiti, and later is revealed to essentially be a princess. Later also making her a Jedi feels over inflated. She’s a character a teenager would come up with as a self insert.

[@olafgurke4699]

You know, a movie or something about Tarre Vizla, the first Mandalorian jedi, who crafted the Darksaber, would be pretty rad if done right.

[@alveolate]

arcane is just too fucking good, comparing it to anything else is basically unfair at this point.

[@Brando0406]

To be fair, this crackhead that was holed up in my moms house(long story) ended up getting shot in the stomach by police during a shootout. She lost most of her stomach and lived. I still absolutely agree with just about everything you've said, just wanted to share an interesting fact. Good day.

[@jedibrooks7235]

Getting shot in the stomach is actually not the worse place if it misses vital organs. problem iis this is a lightsaber which should have melted everything in that area shes deader than dead.....BUt shes got purple hair so..