JEEP Is GOING DOWN And FIRING It's Workers

[@GannDolph]

0% interest ain't even gonna close to cut it. they need a 40% price cut to move that junk.

[@wallye8713]

Agreed

[@richdiana3663]

Their greed got them into this mess, and like Tavares, they should all be replaced.

[@rustybumperclassics6342]

At least 40%. With interest and insurance rates, still not a bargain

[@dotconnector76]

50% cut at least

[@thegarage4570]

No Jeep product should cost more than $50,000. Just because you can increase prices, doesn’t mean that you should increase prices. Doing so is a great way to alienate the base customer that provides the revenue to keep your business operational. I was looking at a Gladiator Mojave the other day and it was $65,000. There’s no way I would pay more than 45 for that thing. It just isn’t worth it. Hell, 45s a stretch as well.

[@theantiqueactionfigure]

When someone is doing something that makes zero sense, often they're lying about what they're actually up to.

[@alpg8820]

Absolutely, they are purposely destroying iconic American brand.

[@thegarage4570]

What Ray is not comprehending is that a five or $6000 drop in the MSRP is nowhere close to what manufacturers and dealers need to offer. We need 20 3040% off to make any of their overpriced vehicles remotely desirable.

[@clintonross1649]

Ray is a realist; you being uneducated doesn’t make you special. Go buy a truck for 40% off and let us know how that works in your fairytale world.

[@briannielsen7176]

The majority of people can only afford a vehicle between 10k and 20k. If the banks would have done their due diligence no one would have gotten a loan for these ridiculous amounts in the first place, unless they either put tens of thousands down,or they were a millionaire.

[@dvader3263]

There are over 20 million millionaires in the USA. Most of them have families which means millions of additional people who have access to their funds for spending on expensive items. There are many more millions of people in the USA earning high salaries. Not everyone in the USA is poor or struggling. If they are, they shouldn't be spending money on new vehicles.

[@jayson657]

@@dvader3263 you’re funny. They’re millionaires because their NET worth is a million dollars ie…Home equity, 401k balances and ect. It doesn’t mean they have millions in liquid cash. And what makes you think their families have access to their assets to buy a car with? LOL I love my kids and parents but im not tapping into my equity in my house or retirement account to buy them an overpriced, deprecating asset.

[@nickmcconnell1291]

You guys aren't getting it. The root cause of why Stellantis is favoring its high margin vehicles is because of EVs and particularly EVs in China. Stellantis is bleeding money as it lowers its prices below cost on EVs in China. In Europe, Stellantis also has to compete with imported Chinese EVs. They are losing money there too just not as much per EV. Stellantis, like any regular publically owned company, wants to make a profit to keep its stockholders happy and make the stock price go up... or at least not drop. Stellantis HAS to stay in the EV game or it will stop being able to sell any cars in China and eventually the EU. But at the same time they have to keep their head above water....TaDa! They therefore kill the manufacture of low margin vehicles and sell only the top margin ones. Meanwhile they layoff workers, etc etc. Is this going to save them? No, not unless they figure out how to make EVs that people want at a price they can afford, while offering similar features as their competitors.....OH YEAH... and make a profit on those EVs. Ain't going to happen and therefore Stellantis is a Dead Man Walking.

[@garypope6382]

Could not understand the auto companies settling the UAW strike so quickly and without pushback. Now I understand.

[@captdaveclearedtoland8876]

Why can’t they make just a simple pick up truck for farmers and as you said construction workers and people who use the pick up truck as a truck. People are buying them for every day vehicles just to get back-and-forth to work. I don’t need power windows I don’t need Flatscreen TVs. I don’t need anything. I just need it to start ,work and be reliable .no fancy stuff ,why can’t they build something for $25,000?

[@johnstudd4245]

They could, but they are to greedy. They want the profit for all the useless crap they pile on.

[@ducotedt]

They will if idiots stop buying the high end models

[@Estado_Alterado]

Hyundai, Kia and Toyota have some micro compact alternatives for that price I think.

[@cman3948]

Coming from a former temp worker who helped assemble these trucks for 2 years. It’s not all glory for the ones that remain & continue to work. Just ask anybody who has worked there it’s almost impossible to keep up on the assembly when these trucks are assembled back to back. Those Ram trucks gave a break in the action; now they’re gone & big trucks will be assembled 100% of the time I don’t see the average worker not going out on medical after about a month unless you’re fortunate to be placed at an easy assemble station. There’s a lot of parts & assembling involved at a very fast pace.

[@clintonross1649]

Ram trucks are large also. You make full size pickups sound like 2 door coupes…

[@680ecks]

The ram classic production line and tooling is paid for . Why couldn't they make a "special" make them all the same 6cyl 4x4 four door with limited colors and sell them for 29995 MSRP eliminate all the options just make them the same package to limit expense. It would be the cheapest full size truck and I think people would buy a bunch .

[@stevennelson7518]

Thanks!

[@lonnielyttle2963]

Hell, the Maverick isn't cheap anymore

[@PelicanIslandLabs]

Cheap is relative.............. $38K MSRP for a top level Mav is probably cheap in comparison to every other PU sold.

[@garrettsmith2654]

I don't think Stellantis is willing to lower their prices. They want us to buy these expensive cars. They're greedy with a capital G. And it's driving consumers away.

[@richardganz9318]

Most people want a pickup trunk around $45 to $55 and this goes for SUV as well

[@davidphillips1221]

Your still 20,000 to high people can't afford the payments

[@Ominous-t9i]

$30k to $35k would be ideal, imo

[@nikolasb2933]

That's what happens when CEO'S are more important than actual customers.

[@larrys9879]

There is also still a market for “basic” Jeep Wranglers, that are designed to go off road. How many potential customers can afford to take a Wrangler off road that has a MSRP of $75,000-$100,000?

[@martingriggs6362]

I bought a 2023 Ram 1500 classic regular cab with 8 foot bed last year for my business. This configuration was hard to find at the time. It has been a great truck. MSRP was $45k, I got $10k off MSRP.

[@briand5379]

I looked on several sites that track vehicle sales numbers and I couldn't find sales numbers for specifically for the Ram 1500 Classic, I can only find Ram truck sales. While cheaper, my guess is they're not selling, which is why they're being discontinued.

[@Nonfiction.Reader]

👏 good show.

[@renegadeflyer2]

At the moment potential buyers are waiting for the prices to drop lower. Why buy now. When you could have bought it next week next week. Besides a lot of potential buyers are broke, because they spent way to much on the last vehicle.

[@wyntyr_7096]

All the vehicle brands are attempting to market to fleet and high end luxury sales...only fleet sales will get them good cash because when you have the big 3 fighting to sell to 10% of the population none of them will really earn enough cash to continue business as usual....so the question should be...what are these companies really going to change too so they are profitable being in only those 2 markets because that's where they're going.

[@timburns5025]

Totally correct.

[@needmoney666]

The market for overpriced, marginal quality vehicles isn't large.

[@MH-fb5kr]

so well put

[@dougb3699]

Too many KZbin videos telling what might happen. Tell us when it does.

[@Fastapproaching]

Back in 2000 the automakers were for the customer, today it's all about their stock price, they need higher prices to make up for lower sales

[@MH44444]

We've been trained to think that 40,000 for a vehicle is cheap. Even 40k is absurdly expensive. 40k is really the very upper side of what people can really afford. I see these vehicles everywhere on the road driven by people I know who make less than me and I know that those vehicles are a reach.

[@Ominous-t9i]

Had a bunch of coworkers all buy new vehicles during COVID I know they couldn't afford because I work there too lol. Now alot of them I see driving cheaper models instead or trying to work as much OT as they possibly can to afford the payments and a lifestyle they shouldn't be chasing. Crazy what FOMO and trying to portray a "rich" image does to people.

[@MH44444]

@@Ominous-t9i I pick quality of life over being a slave to toys.

[@S.L.S-407]

Aubrey Janik just answered Ray's question. GM had HUGE profits despite selling less vehicles! How did they do that ? They sold more OVERPRICED vehicles❗

[@rogerrussell9544]

Are they closing the proving grounds because it kept breaking their new models?

[@ZaLodowyMur]

Carlos Tavares has to go as a first step to rescuing the brands from bankruptcy.

[@clintonross1649]

Him & Carlos Ghosten fell from the same corrupt tree of Nissan!

[@davidshore8936]

What kind of watch is that, the red one? It's interesting

[@CarCents]

David it is from Trafford Watch Co. in Austin, Texas. Here is the link: www.traffordwatchco.com. All the best, Ray

[@justanotherokie3149]

It seems the best solution is for Stellantis to sell Jeeps for $300k - $400k. That seems like a good idea.

[@MH44444]

What would be funny is if they lower the margins on some of those expensive vehicles and then have a revelation that they could actually just make lower margin cars again instead of expensive lower margin vehicles.

[@FJA---]

If it wasn't for the potential of all the people losing their jobs I doubt many people would care about Jeep going away. It's a 3rd rate product trying to sell for 1st rate prices.

[@CC-ef1wg]

Ram 1500 Classic used to mean heavy duty and sort of affordable. But Steal-lantis murdered it and committed suicidal genocide. RIP Jeep, Dodge, Ram

[@wescam2958]

I've asked this question on Ray's other channel, Cat Edge but got no answer. Maybe you could answer it. Is there such a thing as a no haggle new car dealership? If so, how do you find one? I've only been able to find no haggle dealers of used cars like Carmax and car rental agencies selling their former rental cars. Thank you in advance.

[@CarCents]

None that I know of

[@wescam2958]

@@CarCents thank you.

[@wescam2958]

@@CarCents thank you.

[@pinkiewerewolf]

All these "incentives" that you guys have been taling about, I never see them when I check out dealerships online. I don't want to deal with a sales person when I'm doing initial research, so how are they going to get me in to sell me a vehicle?

[@the_paranormal_factory1812]

You gotta talk to them..they ain’t going to openly advertise that

[@pinkiewerewolf]

@@the_paranormal_factory1812 Well, they won't just get me in the door without somekind of announcement. Like remember Toyota Days?

[@the_paranormal_factory1812]

@@pinkiewerewolf well, they gotta save face somehow from the embarrassment of not selling those cars..

[@wwz1011]

Jeep is not done, Stellantis is done. Jeep will have a new owner in the next year. I'm hoping Honda picks them up as they don't have a true 4WD vehicle. I can see a 4WD Ridgeline and a Jeep drivetrain in an Element.

[@michaeljohnson4947]

Word's out on Stellantis. Buy an expensive truck, from a company going out of business. Nothing like owning an orphan car....Ram will join DeSoto, and Plymouth. Pretty sure Tevaras will do the right thing, when it comes to excess inventory, and 2024 models. He'll just send them all, to the crusher....problem solved, while eliminating all that pesky warranty work.

[@MH44444]

What I don't get is you buy these 100k vehicles and the quality isn't there.

[@DanGilliland-pi4vh]

The quality definitely is not there and grossly overpriced it absolutely makes no sense at all.

[@wallye8713]

Old news… if people don’t buy what you make there is a chance you will lose your job… in every other industry at least. This is why govt needs to stop subsidizing the auto industry.. Maybe prices would come down… then I could buy them to increase the size of my business and hire more tax paying employees.

[@loufher284]

Even $40,000 for a truck is INSANE!!! They need to drop those prices DOWN NOW. That's at least $800/mo ARE YOU F'n CRAZY??

[@Iceman-bu1eg]

Stellantis sold 6,392,600 vehicles in 2023 for $204 billion USD, ranking 4th in the world by unit sales and 3rd in the world by total revenue last year.

[@jerryconner4851]

0% interest is a scam. You cannot get 0% and any discounts that are offered. I compared both scenarios for a Ram this past summer. The 0% interest payment was $85 more per month with everything else the same. Needless to say I walked away.

[@johngarcia6876]

I am shopping for a new mid size hybrid sedan...no truck or suv.

[@captdaveclearedtoland8876]

And further, the Japanese market is gonna come flying over here and building affordable vehicles that people want. The union workers priced themselves right out of a job. China is building Chinese vehicles in Mexico. They can’t be any worse than the stuff we’re driving now. I’ll buy one.

[@martinguerrero1530]

There's just positioning for government bail out. Keep prices artificially inflated so they can get more money. Ask which candidate, if elected,will give them the people's money. hmmm 🤔

[@nerdbikes3841]

Americans still don’t understand that from here on ICE pickups are going to be expensive. Supply chains around the world are shifting to EVs that are coming down in price big time. Supply chains, parts manufacturers and engineers know the future is EV, not V8’s. As V8’s are still being made, they will only get more and more expensive to build and sell year after year. Pretty soon, if you want a ICE vehicle you are going to start at $70k for even the most base level with nothing on it and a normal OTD price of $100k for a medium spec. Who is going to buy these? The same people who can buy any expensive car- the wealthy. By 2030 EVs will be for most people and ICE cars pretty much only for the rich commuters and exotics collectors.

[@stevennelson7518]

Everyone trying to upscale the product can't work.

[@ambassadorofconciliation]

Ray with the same silly surprised face in the thumbnail as three years ago….

[@alpg8820]

So they are trying to sell a jeep GW for the price of MB GLS???? they are out of their mind. The car is crap, and the dealer service is much worse.

[@greyfox78569]

Low interest rates means to make money on a note it needs to be longer term. How do you make a note longer term? Oh make the product $100,000 and offer 100 month loans or make risky loans.

[@theresasmith1]

Dodge shutting down Detroit plant and moving to Canada . Canadians won’t be allowed to purchase as going back to USA for sale. Larger profit margin due to CDN dollar is low. Dodge will join a fully electric two-row Chrysler crossover that is expected to begin production at Windsor Assembly in early 2026. That would give the plant four products, along with the Pacifica minivan and new Charger. Also I read 2 years ago all vehicles from 2008s will be shipped to Africa because north America is going zero carbon . We are in a mess . Already paying carbon tax and now luxury tax which will increase yearly . Oh Stelantis is providing over 250,000 vehicles for a rental company Up to 250,000 latest generation Stellantis vehicles will enrich SIXT’s rental fleet across Europe and North America by 2026, including Stellantis’ wide portfolio range of iconic brands and vehicle classes.

[@johnhinant970]

How are they going to survive?

[@steven4315]

Probably won't. Their US production footprint is to low for their bankruptcy to have much affect in the US. Maybe Mexico will bail them out.

[@halslusher6030]

They got 2 year old product sitting on lots rotting away.

[@curtgomes]

Make no mistake there are still many stupid people overpaying for new cars. Prices have not dropped very much at all. I'm amazed at the thousands of people who mortgage their lives to drive a new car.........

[@dapperlygrungy3189]

Thank you God for these unethical car sales people and dealerships have all sinned.

[@loufher284]

All the cars today are junk.. They should scrap them all. It's all garbage

[@MarcPagan]

As a pilot, Jeep is just like a poorly maintained aircraft, with a new paintjob: A polished turd.

[@gregcomeau4632]

I am glad my uncle the cotton farmer didn't live to see modern trucks

[@halslusher6030]

I have no intention of taking 2 years of my income to buy a POS

[@JA-zh5xi]

The only thing of value from CDJR is Wrangler and maybe Ram. Cut everything else and lower the price by 35% on those two to account for terrible quality.

[@BigEd1001]

There is no ' in its.

[@MichealC]

I'll get a better deal at Tj Maxx, lol

[@rlthomas69]

Stelantis charges too much for a crappy, unreliable product.

[@debbyblack8410]

You always say dodge, ram, Chrysler, jeep is closing or close. Get real and orginal

[@avlisk]

The possessive pronoun should you use, the poor apostrophe do not abuse. You're welcome.

[@theotherdonald8604]

I got a Nissan 2023 titan pro4x for 52k in 2023. Simple V8 409hp. And a reliable 9 speed transmission. The drive out depreciation is horrible, but man, if you want a long lasting work truck without turbos or 4 cylinder shut down modes, engines that blow up, transmissions that are hit and miss, the the Titan is the way to go, if you intend to put long years of ownership on it. Production is about to stop on this last plane Jane V8. Don’t sleep on it.

[@Nequetrefi11]

if yall trim this down to 10 minutes then we got the perfect show. 20 min is a bit inflated with fat

[@karachaffee3343]

Poor chumps and losers that want economical cars are obsolete and should just go home and contemplate their ineptitude. We are all millionaires now. Everybody who counts, anyway...

[@JamesSerdna]

F Stellantis

[@wescam2958]

I hope you read all your comments, even those written later after your broadcast. I think your perspective and conclusion that Stellantis is unmoored and soon doomed may be prejudging a situation you may not know about. Today, I read that Stellantis has contracted with a U.S. battery manufacturer that produces a new type battery, and plans to produce jointly a new type EV by 2026. While there is lots of smoke I hope it doesn't blind you to the type of fire that is still burning in the spirit of Stellantis. Good luck with your new channel.

[@LarryVeblungsnes]

Blah! Lots of negative talk. Is anything positive? Everything is not negative.

[@CarCents]

For jeep, dodge and ram? Find us something positive

[@MrSxy4Ever]

%50 off and a a.9% finance rate is the only thing that would get me into a CDJR dealership. I like the Grand Cherokee, but it's not a $65K vehicle. Let 'em rot, let 'em rot, let 'em rot. If new vehicles prices don't go down, then they'll sit on the lot. And oh, this time, don't bail these fu&*ers out with taxpayer money. These are the results of greedy manufactures and dealerships. That whole business model needs to change. People are tired of all the gimmick and add-ons when going to by a vehicle. Good riddens to dealerships with $800 processing fees. It's a new car market with new car buyers. These youngins don't look at cars like 'must have's'. They're perfectly fine with taking an uber, or renting a zip car for the weekend. And i don't care what dealerships thing, anything over $40K is a luxury vehicle for the average working class family. So long CDJR, so long !