Reason 13: Sub vs. Non-Sub... What's the issue?

[@justincaldwell2527]

I have R12 and will stay with it. I was on the last round of Beta for R13 and aside from the things you mentioned there were no groundbreaking advances. The sticker shock of $199 for the upgrade did me in. I may wait till the newness factor of the release subsides and they have a Black Friday special and drop the price. That Polytone synth though was sweet. But then so are the 100 others I have that do the same thing.

[@DigitalFacts]

I invested a whole lot of money into the Reason ecosystem for each and every update of the perpetual license and each and every rack extension be it from Reason Studios or from 3rd party developers. With the constant pressure of pushing people towards the subscription based model, Reason 12 was the last time I payed for an update. With the release of Reason 13 I left this train not willing to support this business model anymore. I do this with a heavy heart because Reason was always my weapon of choice but I can no longer justify spending money for a product where I no longer agree with the product strategy of the company. Thanks Jef for doing this video.

[@soundsfromYYBY]

How they push people to buy subscription..bc i dont have one

[@CaptainProton1]

Yep with you on that, I feel stupid having put money into the paid version and only use it now for the Robotic Bean Step Sequencer. If they ever bring that out as a vst then I'll stop using Reason altogether. I'm not paying £199 for an update that is so meh that it should have been given away.

[@B-a_s-H]

@@soundsfromYYBY Have you even watched the video?

[@SourceEndorsed]

Yes, I’m another ex reason user, I don’t mind paying a nominal sum for worthy upgrades but Reason has just been to slow to be in my software production suite. I loved Reason but disliked the corporate subscription model.

[@soundsfromYYBY]

@@SourceEndorsed what u saying is that when you use reason it stops and slows down your creation getting anything accomplished...YES OR NO?

[@ramojones9694]

Hey Jeff, I've been following you for years now and you've helped me a lot. F...k these people you don't have to apologize for anything or to anyone. We're all human. Thanks hope you've been feeling good and keep up the good work.

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate it Ramojones!!

[@_P_M_]

Love the software. Hate the way they treat their perpetual user base. They need to address this.

[@soundsfromYYBY]

How should they treat us?

[@_P_M_]

@@soundsfromYYBY Raising the price of a perpetual license to $500 and upgrade price to $200 was done to ruin the value of a perpetual license against just paying $20 a month to sub. Not giving perp.lic buyers the same rack devices and players that subs get so they have to buy them separately at full price if they want them. And subs get all of the soundpacks and content, which buyers don't get. I don't think that's how you should treat your loyal customers.

[@soundsfromYYBY]

@@_P_M_ but u use 3rd party in they daw....and pay for them....2. People want a good daw but mad about $200 update..that yall spend on everything else... Now if they keep raising it they buggin...but they couldve charge full price. Yea we license owners who only pay for a NEW VERSION

[@soundsfromYYBY]

@@_P_M_ if yall was loyal customers u wouldnt use 3rd party in they daw u would buy their plugins...this is business also.....having subs they make consistent money to help make the product better this is why they get everything...license not paying nothing but a half price fee and mad. But want free features during the updates......now if raising the price helps they butts do better! Ill pay it!...but we will see...if they dont change for the better then ill be pissed off

[@_P_M_]

@@soundsfromYYBY Dude, if you want to hand them $240 a year and then lose access to your DAW the first month you don't pony up the $20 rent, be my guest. This idea of constantly paying out but never owning anything is BS. Clearly Reason favors it's renters over it's owners, and that is what I'm objecting to.

[@twocanucksful]

You, along with other music production “reviewers”, provide a great service to this community. You deserve all the perks that you can get. The same people that accuse you of being “sold” for a few dollars would probably never give you a penny for your work, yet they benefit greatly from it. That is a sense of entitlement that I simply cannot understand. Your videos are full of useful information that allow us to make difficult decisions. Thank you for the time that you put in to develop this content. Please DO NOT turn down the small perks that you can get because of some hypercritical and ungrateful KZbin consumers. As far as Reason+, it may not be a bad idea for me. I already own everything from Native Instruments and Arturia, so I don’t NEED another suite of instruments, yet this looks really cool. I would mind noodling with it for a month, from time to time. 👍

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate your support!! Yeah, it’s definitely worth testing, just be sure to bounce any tracks to audio if you cancel your sub!

[@juicerox]

I agree. Reason 13 is indeed incredible. The best Reason has felt and looked to date in my opinion. I'm not a subscription guy so I am a perpetual License holder but I couldn't be happier with this update.

[@mrmaison4924]

It's times like this when GAS pays off in the long run. That impulse buy I did getting Reason 11 suite during covid was the best Reason purchase I made so far. What's stopping me from getting R13 atm is the upgrade price. I only pay $100 or even less during the summer sale for Cubase. I also bought Friktion and couple other things during sales for only $50. Make sure to keep an eye on your reward points. I got chord sequencer for free using mine.

[@jefgibbons]

That’s good to hear!

[@twocanucksful]

Thanks!

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate it 2Canucks!!

[@shubus]

Nope! No subscription services for me, folks! No Reason 13, no Adobe, no Museo, etc. Either I OWN it or I don't use it.

[@mrmaison4924]

You can get a perpetual license for MUSIO. I got mine last year for $200. They always have sales for it.

[@shubus]

@@mrmaison4924 Good to know. I still don't like downloading what you need to use it every time. My samples are all on my SSD's...no internet connection needed.

[@whoknows6794]

​@@shubusThere's nothing you need to download every time.

[@dustintheblacklight]

The question is what does it mean to own Reason-type software that has to verify the license either every time it's run in Reasson 11 or after a while in newer versions. If the company goes bankrupt or the servers go out for a long time, is there any guarantee that the SW will continue to work for us? I don't know about it. I understand remote verification, but from the perspective of owning something is tricky.

[@amaninaroom8678]

When you buy it, it's just an license too. You never really own it.

[@te-zo3ti]

I have and use the Reason subscription and I’m very satisfied. Been using reason since v3 love it. Over the years have tried studio one, cubase, logic, tracktion, ableton. None were as good for me as reason. Hey that’s just one opinion. 😎 Btw Great videos Jeff!!! Keep em coming! Watch all the time.

[@bblas5199]

Love your channel, Jeff. Don't let the haters get you down, and keep those brilliant review/tutorial videos coming. Appreciate all your hard work. 🙏❤

[@jcchaconjr]

It’s now Black Friday weekend ‘24, and thanks to a sale, I upgraded from 11 to 13 for $119. For me. The big seller was FINALLY getting VST3 support (which was added in 12 at some point, but I missed the memo on that). My rule of thumb, much like with Komplete, is to just be patient. Sooner or later, all these companies will have a sale, so it’s just a matter of keeping an eye out, and if there’s a good sale price on the upgrade or an extension you like, go for it.

[@jefgibbons]

Nice! Pays off to wait…

[@AHmediaDesigns]

I think the point here is that many people have invested for years into the Reason ecosystem, buying Rack Extensions and version upgrades and feel like Reason Studios will eventually try to go subscription only, leaving those behind who are already invested. Also, the upgrade price of $199 (US) is way to steep for what they're offering, when it used to be $129 iirc. So, unless you've already accumulated a lot of extensions, the upgrade is not worth it at all. It does become cheaper however if you skip a version (or a few) and then upgrade. I'm still on 11 suite and will wait till v14 to upgrade (unless they offer a discount).

[@deeplink_audio]

Great overview of the perks here Jeff. Thank you for demonstrating this ❤

[@speculative]

I've always purchased Reason and it's upgrades during sales such as Black Friday.

[@Cap10NRGMusic]

Hey Jef - i have been in and out of the Reason+ Eco Sphere (I own a perpetual License) and you can use the patches outside of being a Reason+ Subscriber... So you are correct in that you can still use them - not sure of the legalities but I mean... They don't seem to be managed in anyway so...

[@darkmaer]

I just hate that they charge way too much now to upgrade the perpetual license, which I think psychologically, they are trying to get you to subscribe since that’s where the actual money is. It was $130 for the upgrades to perpetual license for years. Then all of a sudden they go from $130 all the way to $200. It’s not worth it. I could understand $150 but $200 is ridiculous. So like I did last time 12 is when they upped the price to $200 I will wait for a sale.

[@jefgibbons]

Agreed 100%, too much!

[@billbradleymusic]

Jeff, you already pay for your subscription. Doing one demo video should be worth a lifetime subscription.

[@jefgibbons]

Appreciate it Bill!

[@Ryanthemusician]

So if you cancel your subscription do you lose the packs you downloaded or do you still have access to them

[@R1PPA-C]

Completely agree with the reward system, look at Cubase...I upgraded to 13 pro and I think it only cost me £70 roughly! I went to Cubase 10 pro for a couple hundred using cross grade discount with my reason serial number.

[@mrmaison4924]

Same here. Isn't it awesome we got a cross grade price for Cubase because of owning Reason and still able to take Reason with us? 😎

[@R1PPA-C]

@@mrmaison4924 absolutely!! I stopped using reason whilst I became familiar with Cubase again after a good 15 year or so break . I've finally started using reason as a rack within Cubase where it shines...sound design!!

[@creativedwill]

Love your channel bro! Thank you for everything! You truly inspired me to start my journey! Keep doing what you are doing🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾💯

[@Nothingspeshalwaysfresh]

This isnt said enough , Jef is a beast on those keys!!! 🔥

[@jefgibbons]

Hey thanks!! I've been slacking the past year... time to get back to practicing!

[@steviehunter24581]

Great video and alot of help and info. I used Reason in the early 2000s and since then I turned my hand to Ableton, but recently ive had an urge to get back into Reason again, it seems so much more grown up and advanced to when I used it but still looks fun. So maybe that subscription is useful for me. Nice video tho, cheers 👍

[@jefgibbons]

Thanks Stevie! The sub is perfect for people like you. Just try it out and cancel if you're not using it!

[@BaddBadger]

I'm so glad you say these things here. I've been so angry, and left comments everywhere. But you make the point better than i can. So many people i know are being forced to forget the hundreds (even thousands) of pounds that they have already poured into Reason, bite the bullet, and move over to the subscription model. Reason are acting so badly and not enough people are calling them out on it because we are used to having our consumer rights eroded. And what is the exchange rate like now? Because every number you say in (American) dollars is the same number they are charging us in British pounds. I know it's not a competition, but i feel like we are getting scammed even more than you are!

[@BaddBadger]

By the way, up to version 12 if you tried the subscription model for a month and downloaded all the sound packs, then yes you could still use those packs. But in the very short time i tried version 13 it looks like they are finding ways to obfuscate that. The new companion has some sneaky, controlling elements IMO, and i'm very glad i kept a back up of an older version. Because, in another effort at control, upgrading to version 13 companion looks like they want that to be a one way deal as well.

[@figaro-dg5c5]

Just tried Reason subscription and fell in love with it immediatly. Thank you, cool video. Don't mind those a-holes in the comments. Just keep on rockin'.

[@song23ministries]

Jef, Can you PLEASE make a video on JUST the sequencer in REASON 13. The New features are not making things easier. I have not seen a step by step sequencer turorial at all. If you know of one I sure could use it about now. Ready to GIVE UP ON REASON ALL TOGETHER. I just want to have my Reason 12+ back!

[@MaximusWhyman]

The value for Reason just isn't there considering FL Studio has lifetime free updates and there point updates are bigger than full versions of Reason. I'm glad they've updated their sequencer, but there are so many better options comparatively.

[@alchemistrpm82]

We don’t think you’re a shill man. We know where to go for that. I don’t think most people begrudge you for getting some “free” stuff while you’re busy covering the constant flow of new releases. The fact is, no one would do this if there were nothing in it for them. You always broach the question “is it right or not for you?” and I believe your sincerity shines through. Keep it 🆙

[@coldskoolbeatz]

I don't think you're shilling one bit. You seem like a very positive person. Period.

[@EdeP79]

In my honest humble opinion... Reason+ is the only subscription model I use and actually enjoy. I think it's affordable and worth the money for what I get in return as a musician/producer. Compare it to an Adobe subscription for a single application and see the difference in returns. I really don't like subscription services overall, but at least you still have a choice with reason studios. I do think the single payment for reason 13 is too expensive, but every new product is expensive at the release and will probably lower in price eventually. Overall, I never felt that reason studios have been f***ing me over as a costumer and as a software company I praise they've stayed true to their concept while innovating and keeping up with the fast paced developments in the music industry. It's not always been perfect, but I never felt like I was missing out on something pivotal. I read a lot of comments and critiques, but my opinion with most of these is: there's so many other options out there, even free ones. Just choose something else, and stay respectful. And Jeff, I appreciate your content as always, well balanced and thought out❤

[@BertFlanders]

Why subscriptions? Everytime a new version of my DAW (Cubase) is released, I buy the upgrade, BUT I remain free to stop upgrading and can use the software for the rest of my life 'as is '. A subscription is a trap. If you no longer _subscribe_ you are no longer able to open projects made in the past ....

[@bloodswarms]

Problem with the subscription is that they don't release instruments or devices enough to justify it. When they released Reason 11 Suite back when, I bought it, and I bought Friktion and most of the other REs. I'm on Reason 12 now. So other than the instrument and the delay in Reason 13, the only thing I don't have is Objekt. I might buy Objekt. I'm gonna skip Reason 13 and catch up with it' when it's a more valuable offer. Reason+ only makes sense if you didn't buy perpetual licenses for years and don't have most of what they offer in the subscription.

[@PrimaudiaRecord]

When 12 was released i bought it, very happy, did everything i needed it to, and in a way that made life very easy. Saw the sub model, thought it was nice theyre trying to make the software more accessible for a modest cost. Saw the upgrade to 13, tested it, enjoyed it, but ultimately decided i didnt need it right away, that may change in the future, definitely didnt see it as overpriced given the amount of features and new rack extension's. It was very hard to turn down the new stereo tool, that thing is amazing. Didnt like the new browser, would like a legacy option.

[@MillisecondFalcon]

There is a comparison page linked when you select "What do I get when I upgrade to Reason 13?" in the FAQ that lists what's included in Reason 6 to 12, Reason 13 and Reason+, but it's not VERY easy to find from the home page. My issue with the subscription is there is only one option. I think many more long-time users would consider subscribing if there was a cheaper option that includes everything except sound packs, which could be available separately allowing you to buy only whichever ones you want. The cost of the subscription, for the first time you subscribe at least, should also be discounted by various amounts based on which devices you have already paid for separately. In terms of what's new in 13, I think there's been too much emphasis on new devices in recent releases and not enough new or improved features. I'm still undecided about upgrading, though that's partly because I'm not making music full time. I've used Reason because I prefer its visual style to DAWs where everything looks exactly the same. But I don't enjoy editing in it. They really need to bring Reason up to par with other DAWs if they want to regain market share. It's a shame they're sticking so steadfastly (unreasonably?) to what many users say is a bad business model. And not offering the same 20pc off upgrades for a limited time gives a clear message to perpetual users just how much we mean to them.

[@TeslaOsiris]

The reality is: The moment you even mention anything that is even remotely "subscription" adjacent, there will be a certain subgroup of internet rage posters that will come out of the woodwork to just crap on any video that's out there. It happens. EVERY. TIME. Like, you can time a watch to it. No one is forcing anyone to sub up to a service. And it isn't shilling for creators to make sponsored content...the entire platform of KZbin is based on sponsored-content. There are adds literally everywhere. Posters who vice signal about sponsored content being "shilling" are naive to the ecosystem they are in.

[@jefgibbons]

Couldn’t have said it better myself, thanks!

[@ontheruntonowhere]

I've got no problem with Jef's videos and bravo to him for his comped sub. Any anger toward him is misplaced. But there's a legit reason we're pissed about subs. It's because subs add up and in the end the company can yank the product out from under you anytime they want. Everything you've spent over the years is just gone. It's happened to me a couple of times. Between music and video streaming and various software subs (not Reason, I won't), I'm spending $150+ a month. I'm not rich but I have no choice if I want to enjoy what I enjoy. It's just greed. Every corporation is trying to squeeze as much as it can out of its customers and it's slimy.

[@gordowebb9910]

Speaking of subscriptions, am i wasting money upgrading NI complete when they're headed towards a subscription based program soon.

[@googleuser318]

Thanks for the vids Jef. My 2 cents on the whole thing, which to be fair I've not paid much attention to because I stopped caring about Reason a while ago. I've been a user/owner since version 2 till 11 and for me it's just not super relevant anymore. Yes there's lots of cool stuff there and all that but any company effectively forcing their customers to sign up for a "pay us monthly and own nothing" model is instantly invisible to me. Subscriptions just suck, nobody likes them, they only benefit the company and everyone knows why they are doing it and it feels dirty and greedy. Why destroy your brand forcing customers to do things they don't want to? Makes zero sense whatsoever. It's clear these companies don't give a damn about their customers and only care about boosting company valuation to make it an appealing sell. Fake!! I'm a Live and Bitwig user. I'm not a fan of the yearly update plan that Bitwig does but it's better than a standard subscription. If either of those DAWs move to sub only I'll just move to another DAW or go 100% DAWless again. I personally just won't do the sub thing ever, don't care how good the software is.

[@jefgibbons]

I hear you! Subscription exhaustion is real…

[@thegoodsherman]

yes, it's always only half-finished and implemented...and it takes an eternity until something is integrated...if at all. I always wonder what they do all the time... not much comes out of it... always just the absolute minimum... we don't need any new effects and synth... there are 1000 and much better ones. I've been using version 2.0 for a while and at the moment I'm still on version 10.0. I won't update either. Maybe it's time to change the DAW

[@maus3454]

This Canada patch sounds indeed fantastic!!!!

[@sekritskworl-sekrit_studios]

Jef, you're DEFINITELY not a shill. Thank you SO MUCH for all of the amazing work you've done for us. Reason Studios is heading dangerously close to the direction AVID/Protools went. They are behind in their offerings yet believe that they are somehow entitled to subscriptions while very vague regarding their languages on offerings. Reason Studios has always been a relatively cool solution. HOWEVER, I (and likely many others) are exhausted by having to parse through all of the "offerings" details, as though we are contracts attorneys who love to subject ourselves to punishing & exhaustive reading, to assure we aren't getting screwed over. If they don't want to provide us what is current when we purchase the perpetual license... then I refuse to buy it. Therefore, they'll get NO money from many of us... which they seem to disregard. Somehow so much focus is on repetitive payments, that they are blinding themselves toward 1x payments. And that's ok. They don't want my money... then I won't force them to take it. Thank again, for ALL you do for us.

[@nico5]

I don’t think most people realize how little money there is to be made from KZbin videos for the vast majority of creators. If one would calculate it as an hourly wage, it would be minuscule. So without getting free stuff, many creators probably wouldn’t be able to afford to get the stuff they showcase or review. An added complexity is, when creators get a fully loaded deluxe version of a product, and often have to make their videos before the official release. So they may not have easy access to knowing what is not included in lesser versions. Or even what the final prices are. So KZbin creators/influencers as well as their viewers are a bit between a rock and a hard place in trying to figure out, if something is worth their money.

[@DjangoZa]

I don't know many people here in the third world that could stomach a $20 subscription. No hobbyist, that's for sure, and pros generally have other tools that take precedence. I didn't upgrade from 10 to 11, instead saving up to get Suite when 12 came out. I was so looking forward to all the additional devices, but they're out of my reach.

[@ninjitzu228]

I understand why people don't want to subscribe. I still use Reason 10 and only bought the chords player. I've gotten hundreds of hours of enjoyment from this software and I'm considering paying to upgrade it. I don't think $200 is too much to ask for all that's included in this upgrade. Considering the amount of time I spend using it.

[@jefgibbons]

That’s great to hear!

[@TylerDurdenXIII]

worked with reason for years until the 7th when I started to be aggressive with paid updates.....FL studio Update for life I

[@entropie]

That's the main "reason" I use and support FL.

[@digitalhillbilly8863]

Reason owners did get a 50 percent discount the first year. The same deal they give new users on Black Friday.

[@kjwworldwide]

My last upgrade was reason 11 suite exactly when 12 came out, so my upgrade to 12 was free. I upgraded when it was.worth it to me. Im only missing 5 device's and i dont need any more.

[@jadennnnn]

The only subscription that’s worth it is subscribing to Jef!

[@youtubevideos415]

BTW Reason's yearly subscription is on sale at least once a year. Got it for just 99.50 EUR.

[@robertshamansky1912]

I only use the RRP so Reason 13 will be an absolute hard pass for me. I have way too many other VST's to begin with. I really like the Reason Players and the synths, so I will run Reason 12 for as long as I can. Thanks for all you do for us!

[@timsubscriptions3806]

I can’t get more than two tanks of gas for what Plus costs, so I think it’s well worth it. By the end of the year, I’m basically paying 10 cents an hour of amazing time. I’m so happy after I have a killer time making noises. Best money spent ❤ not sure why folks think they are entitled to new software, my old stuff that’s not being upgraded is a blast to use also. Smile. Be at peace with what you can afford

[@djshmul1]

Thanks for video , you shoud try Reason 13 as stand-alone, not as plug-in, then i would like to see short video how is browser and other bad stuff they change you like, and upgrade not worth , am user from version one.The changes they did to browser and edit window kille it

[@lionbird7176]

Seems like a good time and place to add my chorus of simple distaste for the upgrade pricing. That’s all that is on my mind with reason. Cuba’s upgrade price is so much nicer.

[@jefgibbons]

At $200 they should be throwing in a coupon for a synth of your choice or player or something… that would go a long way!

[@npinero1]

I've had the perpetual since version 2.5. I dont like the subscription model and the $200 upgrade for a synth, delay, utilities and a floating browser, while losing favorites, is not ideal for me. I love a larger % of what Reason does but this upgrade is not ideal for me.

[@delphisignal]

You are great and I appreciate the information and transparency. They, however, are asking $199 to upgrade (I own v12) or the monthly sub and they haven’t updated their marketing materials (that old chart you had to pull up) to show their value. If I were doing their marketing, I’d want to show what they have to offer and why upgrading is worth it. That they haven’t, takes away some of my trust.

[@Ryanthemusician]

I have too many 3Rd Party Plugins to care about what I’m not getting in Reason Plus.

[@TBX12]

I din't even know there were differences between the normal paid version and the sub version. Good thing i watched this or i would be mad as hell. I need to start from scratch again after having owned Reason 4.5 many moons ago so i thought to myself, i'll wait untill the next big holiday sale and grab Reason 13 for 50% off at 250 euro's. I was under the impression that everything would be in that purchase except maybe some patches and stuff, i dont mind that. But whole devices not being in the retail paid version? What the hell even is that?! Shady business practice if you ask me, seriously reconcidering even getting back into music production again if this is the 'new normal' for a DAW.

[@DjangoZa]

I defended all the previous upgrade prices, even when at times I couldn't afford it. In 10, Grain and Europa were both easily $150 devices. I'm not seeing it here, and it matters more than ever now that some people don't need the DAW. Perhaps they should consider separate prices for DAW and Rack upgrades.

[@kristianadolfsson]

Updating from 9 to 13 so this video was very useful. Hate subs! Chord Sequencer is included in 13, yay!

[@dustintheblacklight]

Nope, Chord sequencer is not included. Maybe you meant Scales & Chords.

[@kristianadolfsson]

@@dustintheblacklight Yep, sorry!

[@LordCritish]

I'm tired of the subscription BS companies trying to push on users! Too many subscriptions and all are designed for a single purpose: to milk more money out of customers! Subscribers more often than not will forget to cancel subscriptions in time when they don't need them and that's one of the main takes of why companies convert to subscriptions! The whole charade with the devices you're not getting on a perpetually paid upgrade evaded my since I have these REs already but that looks like a very scummy way of getting users to switch to subscription! Shame on you RS!

[@C7eeN]

I also don't respect what Reason Studio is doing, but who really needs the extra devices Reason+ offers? Most of you have third-party plug-ins, no? Feel like most of you will have Kontakt, Omnisphere, Serum, plug-ins by Valhalla and others, and then a bunch of libraries, etc. What are you missing by not having Reason+?

[@BenedictRoffMarsh]

I don't want any of the things that come with R+ over perpetual*. Not a biggie. I do however stress about how Reason increasingly seems to be weighted toward a changing (and watered-down) mindset and may have already made a fatal misstep: Whilst the R13 update is mostly elegant, there is a problem now with usability when Piano-Rolling several tracks at once to work on Harmony. Before, changing what Tracks were in-view was slightly clunky but logical and worked. Now sadly while initially the selection is smooth, changing once in the Piano Roll is scruffy and commonly doesn't work well at all. It is easier to simply start again which is the opposite of "faster workflow". For the first time ever in 15+ years of using Reason exclusively, I am finding composing aggravating - like it was/is in every other DAW. Reason used to be the wonderful alternative to the other DAWs, now it seems to be trying to be one of them. This is reducing uniqueness (and usability). :-) *I own Algo and it is super

[@Synfluence101]

It's way overpriced as an upgrade. The browser has always been a mess so they should have fixed it for free ages ago. The Polytone and reverb are nice but this still doesn't make it worth it. They should by now throw in the Polystep Sequencer or some other goods. I really hate subscriptions, so thank goodness for Ableton 12, which runs circles around Reason. The consumer image of Reason is sinking fast. BTW..Love your videos!!

[@coldskoolbeatz]

Although I'm not an FL Studio user, I like their business model. They offer free lifetime updates to the software and offer a subscription only for there plugins. I hate Reason Studios' business model and slow development of Reason. I still can't fathom why they removed favorites for devices from v13.

[@tonysherrard]

I just wait for a sale on the subscription and pick it up half price.

[@matthewperry6506]

For people new to music production, subscriptions are probably the way to go. I started with rebirth and 1st reason and early cubase, subscriptions make no sense for me but I get it, I got enough music software really don't need to buy anymore and a lot of these companies are probably feeling the loss in sales especially plugin companies how many more eqs, compressors or soft synths can you buy, especially now most daws have decent stock plugins. People got to be running out of reason to buy and update. For the 1st time I'm probably gonna skip a reason update or two, possibly stop and same thing with my other bundles, cubase has always been my main daw anyways, wouldn't mind the new browser but for now ain't worth the money.

[@wakegary]

People are dumb. R13 is worth it if you can. Reason users are specifically annoying. (Sorry yall) Stayed Reason since 2001, so hear me out! I'm on board for now. It's amazing. I love it and I've been enjoying Dubler too. The only bit that bugs is their marketing and being treated like a new customer when already 2 years deep in the sub. It's the principal,lol. I'm not a fan of proactive negative statements, but it just felt a bit brown glove (sorry). Rplus gets pushed on me when I'm already subscribed, and that is not a good look imo. Especially if it's flaunting a better price and you can't jump on it. I get that onboarding is the golden goose, and we need new unique users... But don't forget to kiss the O.G. crew before heading out to pull subs in the Basics district. I will always let Reason get away with more because.. Brand loyalty. I can'texplain beyond that. I swear if they just sent us stickers we'd stfu. I dig the packs but I'd rather feel a bit more of that good old fashioned appreciation. I hate subs too... but hate won't shake my caboose and yea... sorry, rant. Expensive hobby for sure. Tell ya what, I feel too old to use warez, but ai is bringing new flesh to the daw dev scene I'm always a new tab or two away from Reaper/Renoise/Anything opensource. We need a reward that feels like a win. Maybe that's a live stream from Ryan... But Id rather see Rent To Own. I need to at least feel like I'm winning. Good vid. Caughtmeoff guard. Sick tunes, most importantly. . KAPSIZE, SIGN HIM ❤ obligatory "sorry for handwriting to text grammar" statement.

[@karolis.burzinskas]

I am using Reason 10 and honestly do not care about all the upgrades. For drums KONG is more than enough. For anything else Subtractor synth is still the GOAT, and GRAIN is amazing for experimental stuff. MClass effects are great as all reason effects. Reason is great for vocal fix, and it is way efficient than any other soft like Melodyne or FL Studio... It's simple, easy to use and stable. What reason is missing - good noise reduction plugin, good dynamic EQ like TDR Nova. I tested Reason 13 and for me there is too much of everything, so if there was essential version with only a few instruments, it would be great. The price is a joke for a full version and for subscription. Subscription is great for my students, who can easily download and learn the software, but it should be 10eur max.

[@ApiaryProductions]

Reason is the only DAW I have a subscription with and my god I wish I had this with the others I use. Software has got to be the most valueless thing you can buy, as soon as you own it it’s worth nothing. Ibe got the newest stuff always, all the time, it never costs me a cent more than what they tell me it will. I think I figured out i could run reason on my subscription for 30 years before I would reach the same amount Cubase has cost me. Of which there are still things I don’t have inside of it.

[@jefgibbons]

That’s a good perspective, and I am using that on the iPad for sure! (Logic sub)

[@johnsuggs7828]

For all the software companies that may be watching this. *ARTURIA* got it right. I purchased Analog V....for 69.99. I got a discount out the blue from the normal 99.99. Think it was a birthday thing or something. it was version 3. So arturia just gave me 4......and 5......and a ton of sounds. Charged me....zero. I own the microfreak. Can't even go into what they've just thrown in on that thing. over 1000 additional sounds, sampler...just threw it in. for free. Arturia got it right REASONS. Purchased two used pieces of Arturia gear. I get ALL the software that it comes with like I purchased it new. Let me register without an issue and got a ton of vst's and ableton lite. I tried to dislike Arturia. But when someone is too nice, you kinda look like a jerk if you keep disliking them.

[@jefgibbons]

Arturia does great discounts for loyal users, even better is the free updates and continued updates to older hardware products they could easily charge for. They show it’s easy to make a loyal customer!

[@corbobilly]

Let’s not forget that it’s now possible to send MIDI Clock to multiple MIDI Out ports _

[@HOLLASOUNDSMUSIC]

I pretty sure I comment on your last video however it is not there, hope you're not blocking people. Reason plus, increase stand alone price by 3rd, Removing lite, and Suit, most new devices sold separately. This is most of why Reason users are not happy.

[@jefgibbons]

Hey Holla! I didn’t delete any from that vid, nothing too toxic… and definitely didn’t block you. Thanks for sharing.

[@SubBassFrequency]

I don't have a problem with companies that want to use a subscription model, you can choose to use it or not. However I have a huge problem with the way Reason Studios treats it's customers specifically the perpetual license owners that bought reason, owned a license and invested huge sums into the Reason Eco system (i.e. Rack Extensions) only to be shat on as soon as the company decided they wanted to go to a subscription model. Not only that their support is terrible, they treat you like a criminal despite spending thousands of dollars legitimately on their products. Reason Studios is a huge no from me, I owned Reason from version 1 through to 11 and every iteration in between and bought hundreds of RE, then get treated like shit when it came time for license upgrades all because I didn't want to go to their subscription model. They can get in the bin. There are plenty of decent DAW's out there where the company doesn't treat you like crap.

[@kielhall8363]

This space subscription from these companies is really becoming interesting now you’re just a novelist. You really don’t need that but if you are working musician, who may need it for the particular project and you want to pay a month just to get the sounds it may be reasonable. reason, just taking it in account.Peace Jeff👍🏿

[@jefgibbons]

Thanks Kielhall!

[@manvfoodnation2]

If Reason+ cost a similar amount to things like Spotify or Netflix it would be a no brainer.

[@CaptainProton1]

It wasn't fair for me to vent my annoyance at you in your last video, honestly thought you were a paid shill by reason. I apologise for that. I did buy Reason 12 and yep I just bought the chord sequencer. Very underwhelmed by the fact that to have something that I feel is worth it I have to forget that I've already paid out a large sum of money and go subscription to basically buy it again plus some other stuff. I can't believe they don't do some sort of crossgrade from perpetual to subscription. no way I'm going to buy any more rack stuff as I know they are going to stitch me with less and less each upgrade. I wish Robotic Bean would release Step Sequencer for vsti format.

[@nomore6167]

Reason Studios decided to break Reason 11 and earlier by disabling offline authorization, thus requiring an active Internet connection every time you open the DAW, and they did this long after the point of purchase -- "As of September 25, 2023, offline authorization for Reason 11 and earlier has been deprecated. The system of offline authorization in use was based on technology that had simply passed its due date. In order to create a better system of offline authorization, we needed to remove reliances on legacy components that might otherwise hold us back." This alone is reason not to trust the company anymore, and thus reason not to purchase anything of theirs anymore (and it almost surely violates consumer protection laws as well).

[@rikkshow]

I upgraded Cubase Pro for 1/3 and they also gave extra free 3rd party plugins on top of it. As a rack user $200 is a bad joke. R15 maybe, if it is still possible to buy, but that will not be until 2027!? Good Lord, Reason really push the R+ so hard we all gonna leave... For new buyers it is $500, but then the most interesting devices are not included, so it will be $1000 to get it. Yeah, that is way off in today's market... And nothing for years of loyalty, just R+...

[@johnsuggs7828]

I was one of those who spoke rather scathingly about Reasons. That's against Reasons, not Jeff. I've been a fan of this channel for more than a year and don't see that changing. I'm just of the mindset that if I pay for something, provided I comply with all of the licensing rules about number of activations....actually activating (as some....don't). I want to pay and go. If I choose to interact with the company again for any reason, that's to be seen. But I don't like the fact that in my Reasons 11, I've purchased plugins from them that I can't get access to unless I log into their servers. This is plug-ins that I purchased outside of a subscription. I still have to log in. If I don't, I can't use it. Access to those plug-ins is deactivated. There used to be a authentication software that used to authenticate your reasons without it being connected to the internet. They took that out as well. That's a big no no for me. Again, love the channel Jeff and no issues with you at all brother. But Reasons is a done deal for me. I have it on two of my computers and won't use it.

[@liothomasart]

I paid for a year of Reason+ back in November. Got everything for free when the upgrade dropped. Simple.

[@Pieter_Auper]

You got nothing for free. End your subscription and POOF! Both your money AND the software are gone leaving you with nothing.

[@ontheruntonowhere]

@@Pieter_Auper This!

[@TaoStein]

Sounds like they hired too many MBAs

[@EricJohnson-fh8zj]

I hope nobodey came down harshly against you personally Jeff. You've allways been clear that you dont want anyone to spend $$ on anything they dont need or isnt right for them. You give good well intentioned reviews and tutorials. Not your fault these companies are moving further and further away from what people want, and more towards pushing customers into shelling out a constant stream of money to them.

[@ipxstudios6125]

Basically they are not ethical company disrespecting the user base. 20 dollars a month . Its just not worth it.

[@ricardovilhena8454]

Hi. I am a Reason user since v 6.5 and and i put a lot of money in each a every upgrade. I think it is not fair for old users the price they charge for The upgrade and lack of feactures compare to The subscrition. Shame on them. Best regards from Portugal

[@neilhoward7870]

I love this subscription for this, it’s worth the money each month to always have what’s new.

[@Pintosonic]

In 2022 I bought Reason+ for a year for $99 on their black Friday sale. My goal was to subscribe to Reason + for a year and see if I wanted to buy it because subscribing to a DAW is not acceptable for me as you have to maintain a subscription to open your old projects even if you decide to switch to another daw in the future. And when I saw everything that wasn’t part of Reason 12 and had to be bought separately I stopped using it because $500 for the base software plus all the extras I wanted would have cost me almost $900. And even at that price you don’t have everything you have on Reason +. This makes Reason way too expensive for what it is if you choose the perpetual license. The same things go for plugin subscriptions, I don’t like it. The only subscription I have is for samples libraries because if you unsubscribe, you still have access to the samples you downloaded, you don’t have to maintain a valid subscription to open your old projects. A subscription for a DAW is moronic IMO because all your music is in a format that requires a subscription for you to have access to. With plugins, you can still open your project and with a little work you can replace the plugins you no longer have access to. But with the daw itself you are fucked if you want to unsubscribe.

[@ApiaryProductions]

You don’t have to apologies for trying to help people Jef, just remove them from your group etc don’t spend anytime thinking about these kinds of people.

[@minusyou1]

They are way too precious with their walled garden with buy or subscription-in the Reason DAW at a minimum. Even if you just want to use their devices as a plugin in another DAW you still need to pay for Reason. There's money to be made if they would sell their devices outside that requirement.

[@JoeSmith-v7o]

The subscription model of software is BS. One time fee is all it should ever be.

[@billbradleymusic]

Yep

[@strangnet]

No, there should be options. That way it matches different needs and users.

[@soundboy605]

For reason the company it is all about them, cash every month instead of one of payments from random buyers bro!

[@Lagos3sgte]

I paid for a year of Reason Plus. As soon as you cancel, you lose access to all of the combinators that you download through the subscription. You also can’t open songs that you made with the latest version of reason with your older version. So you pay for a year but then get nothing in return. It would be better if they let you keep the sound packs or if they had some type of rent to own model that credits you towards the full license.

[@Narrowboat.and.offgrid.living]

Screwing over those core supporters who made the buissness its beyond stupid what reason have done .going subscription I really hope it fails because theres no turning back to your core supporters after this

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

The new browser is driving me nuts : and the new synth is not as impressive as they claim it to be I subbeed for a moth to test drive it Also, are at all interested in using UNITY ? Cheers 🥂 🥂

[@jefgibbons]

Unity modern trailer synth?

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

@@jefgibbons Sorry my mistake boss, I meant UNIFY by plugin Guru

[@jefgibbons]

@@EBMZEQUENZER Aha! Yes, I've always wanted to look into that one!

[@EBMZEQUENZER]

@@jefgibbons Plugin Guru aka Skippy : streams very often you so show up sometimes and you can easily arrange a review with this guy, very very nice guy Cheers 🥂 🥂

[@jefgibbons]

@@EBMZEQUENZER Yes! I've heard such good things about him and would love to promote him and his stuff on my channel...

[@Beatslager]

for what you get in Reason 13 is not worth the money!! Just keep it to 12 and case closed.

[@anzatzi]

Paw Patrol!

[@jefgibbons]

Be there on the double…!

[@busywl69]

Pay forever. Nope.

[@youtubevideos415]

Sorry for those negative Reason guys. I have no clue why there is so much negativity around Reason 13. It has been the best upgrade ever and Reason is totally awesome if you got the subscription. BTW, please make some content for Scenic. Native Instruments Play series is basically all just one single plugin where you can mix two samples from a to b. With Scenic you have the same and more functionality, but you can use your own samples. So you got an unending supply of your own Play Series instruments without having to pay NI.

[@jefgibbons]

Thanks! Yeah, scenic is a cool little synth, haven’t played with it for a while!

[@CaptainProton1]

It really isn't the best upgrade ever....no where near. If everyone is moaning about it then something must be off.

[@youtubevideos415]

@@CaptainProton1 No, there isn't anything off. The internet is just full of miserable people who ain't got nothing better to do than complain about DAW's. It was the same with Logic 11, lots of people where complaining that the new AI tools where not what they wanted. Reason users complained that they didn't get AI. Even in the Studio One groups there where lots of complains that the newly released minor version didn't had any new features.

[@ontheruntonowhere]

@@youtubevideos415 Lol. You ain't got nothing better to do than complain about miserable people, but you haven't paid us thousands of dollars for vaporware, so that makes you more miserable still. And we're not complaining about DAWs. We're complaining that Reason's upgrade and subs model costs too much and you don't own what you pay for. You might not agree but that doesn't mean we aren't rightly annoyed.