Jehovah's Witnesses and The Immortal Soul

[@genewashington1502]

Hebrews 4:12 says “the word of God is alive and ... pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit.” This clearly shows that there is a difference between the two, but JWs gloss right over that part of that scripture.

[@ThatGirl0930]

WT won't allow the witnesses to allow that to really sink in and really teach them what this verse means. Why? Well that too much like the world says that those who die, their spirit goes to heaven with God and Jesus. WT can't have anyone going to heaven and can't allow the witnesses to know that a part of a person that dies actually goes to heaven. The spirit goes back to God who gave it, and that spirit is what gave the body breath, life, animation, mannerisms, personality, idiosyncrasies, uniqueness, etc., etc., etc. I am very comforted to know that my loved ones who have died are alive in the spirit, in heaven.

[@theresefournier3269]

@@ThatGirl0930YES! i YAHbsolutely do concur! 🤔 Selah! ❤️🔥💯💐

[@rfs056]

It’s always interesting how they select verses where they can read more into the text than the normal reader receives and then totally ignore the explicit verses that destroy their position.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

It's truly incredible. Witnesses do a good job at making their position appear biblical, but it's all smoke and mirrors, and a theology that's a puddle deep.

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible???????

[@rfs056]

@@vusimngomezulu2500 your future depends on if you put your faith in Christ for your forgiveness of sins. Jehovah witnesses don't do this because they have a wrong christ. Ex JWS. still need to find christ also.

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

@@rfs056 So which religion are preaching the gospel of the kingdom around the world to all nations as Jesus christ said Mathew 4:23,24:14,28:19-20,Mark 13:10?if not only the Jehovah's witnesses.

[@rfs056]

@@vusimngomezulu2500 God never commanded the witnesses to do anything. God commanded the anointed believers to preach the gospel that they were preaching in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 that Jesus died and rose for the forgiveness of sins. Go read Matthew 28 where he commanded the anointed believers to go into all nations and preach. The witnesses do it in vain and preach a false gospel.

[@leadanon127]

When God said to Adam that he will die and return to dust. Where his spirit went?

[@tongakhan230]

His spirit went out. It means, ceased to activate his organs and cells to keep them alive. Like switching off a current to an appliance. It stops working. The electricity doesn't go anywhere. (Psalm 146:3, 4) Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 HIS SPIRIT GOES OUT, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish. Like saying a fire went out. It ceases to exist. No trips taken.

[@theophilis3257]

This is what I came to understand after leaving the JW’s after 50 yrs

[@aCatholicOne]

God bless you, not everyone can build up the courage to seek Jesus after leaving JW's.

[@cybrough]

Thanks for your videos. Very clear and concise. Do you have a suggested reading list?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Depends, what are you interested in?

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible????????

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible???????????

[@richbaker7187]

I always shake my head when JWs bring up anything in Ecclesiastes. The whole book is about a man that is talking about physical life, or to be more specific; EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN. They will take this one small verse and base their entire theology on this verse, without looking at the context, or even other verses within Ecclesiastes that say otherwise. If so, then we also have to believe there is NO MORE REWARD. (mic drop inserted here) So we need to be careful about devising mindless doctrines from Ecclesiastes, because we can justify anything thru Solomon's words. But the real problem is that they have to throw out the entire New Testament, and eve Jesus' words. Jesus spoke of Lazarus and the Rich Man. They will say this is just a parable, but they have fallen prey to WT theology again. This is a real event told by Jesus. How do we know this? NO PARABLE EVER USED PROPER NAMES. The account given by Jesus confirms consciousness after death of the the physical. Luke 16:19-31. Jesus also told his followers that those who live and believe in Him will never die. This is spiritual. John 11:25-26. Gut let's go even further in the writing of Paul. Some, maybe many, or even most JWs never address this. Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. II Cor 5:1-9. Notice Paul talks about the flesh as a "tent", and if the tent is gone(the body dies) we will not be found "naked", we will be with the Lord. But even that isn't the only place Paul talks about his. Philippians 1:19-24 speaks more into the state of man once we shed the body. Paul says expressly that he would rather depart and be with the Lord, which is FAR BETTER, BUT, that he needs to remain and continue his ministry for their sake. We haven't even begun to touch on the visions of John and all the saints standing before the throne of God. What? Are they just a figment of his imagination? Then you better throw out the whole Book, or even the whole Bible. IT is all quite easy to debunk this JW teaching of "soul sleep". All you really need to do is READ YOUR BIBLE.

[@scottgrey2877]

Yes this is one of the doctrines of the watchtower I disagree with

[@Sahira-123]

Oh, this is soo good!! I've been so confused about this and actually startet to believe the witnesses but not fully, LOL!

[@devynamaral7143]

You’re videos have been super helpful to me, I’m just confused so what happens to our spirit while we wait for the first resurrection? And during the first resurrection will be come back as spirits or as perfect beings in fleshly body’s? Any info on that would be helpful thank you!

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

That’s a big question. I think things get a little strange when we talk about entering into God’s realm where there is no time. It appears to me, if we die, we are instantly raised, and with God, given new glorified bodies and will eventually live on a new Earth with God. It’s possible when you die it’s instantly judgement day, since there is not time in heaven. But for the Christian, you close upu eyes in physical death and will immediately wake up in glory and be with God, and never truly experience death.

[@devynamaral7143]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry thanks for the reply! That’s very helpful, Do you know if the millennium takes place on earth or heaven? I’ve tried reading myself and can’t really tell and my only background is what I’ve learned from JWs lol

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

​@@devynamaral7143 That's a huge topic. Some Christians take the number as literal, some figurative. It looks to be he's reigning on Earth, but also in Revelation heaven comes to earth, so he's ruling in both. One view is that Christ physically returns, everyone sees him, he reigns on the earth, and evil slowly begins to disappear while and then once the 1000 years hits, heaven comes to earth, Satan is gone, everything is great. Another view is that Christ removes all the wicked, he reigns here, then heaven comes to earth after the 1000 years. And yet another, Christ is reigning now, and eventually will return in judgement and establish heaven on earth and destroy all the wicked. No matter what happens, God wins.

[@devynamaral7143]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry thanks for the reply appreciate the help, since turning away from JWs I’ve been trying to find a new church to go to do you recommend going to a non denominational church? Do you mind saying what denomination you belong?

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@devynamaral7143 I am non denominational. I not saying this is preferred, but I have a good church, and not being apart of a denomination, it let's a church be able to teach in preach in many ways, work in the community and expand. The only issue with non denominational, is you could find that group isn't being scriptural, which is rare but it does happen. Whereas if you went to a Baptist church for example, you would definitely know what their doctrines are. I would pray, as God for direction, he'll lead you to the right place with the right people, I have no doubt.

[@papajohndavid]

It's what satan does, he calls good evil and he calls evil good.

[@eduardomarcelino1980]

In the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses they practice the rejection of the blood and body of Christ in the Lord's Supper!

[@eduardomarcelino1980]

"STOP, LOOK, LISTEN: Luke 8:17 "For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed, nor is there anything carefully hidden that will never become known and never come out." really if you are a Baptized person who does not is part of the new covenant that Jesus made with his disciples to eat the bread that represents his body and drink the wine that represents his blood, how will you have eternal life? (Luke 22:19,20). doctrine of men or the word of God?" observe (John ch 3:16,17) 16-“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever exercises faith in him should not be destroyed, but have everlasting life. 17-For God did not send his Son into the world that he might judge the world, but that the world might be saved through him." observe (John ch 6:53-57) 53- So Jesus said to them, "I say- assured them, Unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I I will rise at the last day, 55- for my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink. 56- Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in union with me, and I in union with him. 57- As the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on me will live because of me. way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". notice what Jesus said: Matthew 23:13 “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! Because they shut the kingdom of heaven before men; for you yourselves do not enter, nor do you let in those who are on their way to enter." look at Jesus' Conclusion (John ch 10: 09,10) 9- I am the door; everyone who enters through me will be saved, and will enter 10- A thief comes only to steal, and kill, and destroy: I came that they might have life, and have it to the full.

[@eduardomarcelino1980]

the only problem for Jehovah's Witnesses is not taking as an example what Jesus instituted in their memory, which was to eat and drink the emblems in the Lord's Supper! for it is one baptism and one hope of eternal life. Ephesians 4:4-6 note 4- There is one body and one spirit, just as you were called in a hope to which you were called; 5- one Lord, one faith and one baptism; 6- One God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all and in all.

[@revrepeat]

This makes sense. But why would God create Adam with the intention of living eternally on Earth?

[@TonyExumJr]

You're good.

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

All different churches including exjws are working for who and what is their future according to the Bible????????

[@Thomas_Zscheile]

@@vusimngomezulu2500 Who are you working for?

[@cygnustsp]

It's amazing how militant JWs are about this immortal soul thing. It stems from not understanding biblical resurrection, which is very messy. You admitted yourself in one of your videos. What is a resurrected, glorious body? How is Jesus in heaven with a body of flesh and bone? Who knows? What JWs try to do is have a "logical" explanation for everything, black and white. My question to JWs is, if nothing survives death, what is there to resurrect? God will just make a whole new universe with you in it right? How is that so different than what Orthodox Christians teach? It's all cut from the same mysterious cloth so why fight over it? I know why... JWs are on a mission to prove only they have the truth, that's all it amounts to.

[@theresefournier3269]

Aren't they all of that opinion? From all i see, yes! Bottom line? has to be found at Revelation 18: 4! "Get out of her my people!" 😇❤️🔥💯💐

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

The Jehovah's Witnesses doctrine is nothing like Orthodoxy.

[@gustavmahler1466]

Jesus was not waiting in the grave he immediately return unto God after death

[@timhaley3459]

Ecclesiastes 9:2 is about the righteous and the wicked both having the same end result in this "world" or "system of things", both die or "all have the very same outcome" as "sinners".(Rom 5:12) But the righteous are guaranteed a resurrection from the dead (Luke 13:28, 29) while the wicked is to be judged by Jesus as to whether or not they receive a resurrection at all.(John 5:21, 22; 2 Tim 4:1) And when Jesus said that Lazarus "has fallen asleep" at John 11:11, the disciples thought, as so many others, that Jesus literally meant that Lazarus was, well, just asleep, taking a nap.(John 11:12, 13) But Jesus corrected their thinking, by saying: "Lazarus has died".(John 11:14) And at Psalms 49, it is speaking of wealthy ones "who are trusting in their riches, and who boast about their riches", and even with their wealth, "none can ever redeem even a brother".(Ps 49:6, 7) So, if Jehovah sees that they would never "search for Jehovah" (Isa 55:6), unwilling to change even in the face of death, with love of money as their god, they "are assigned like sheep to the Grave; Death will shepherd them........Every trace of them will fade away; the Grave rather than a palace will be their home".(Ps 49:14) For those who have "searched for Jehovah", the Psalmist says: "But God will redeem me from the power of the Grave, for he will take hold of me" (Ps 49:15), knowing that he will be restored to life again at Jehovah's appointed time, or more specific for most, during Jesus Millennial reign.(Rev 20:4-6) And when Jesus said to Martha, that "I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all", did Jesus mean that his disciples would literally "never die at all" ?(John 11:25, 26) The answer is no. How can this be known ? By what Jesus told the Sadducees, who did not believe in the resurrection (Luke 20:27), but made up a story of a woman married to seven brothers and whereby they all died, so that Jesus straightens them out, that the resurrection is real: "But that the dead are raised up, even Moses made known in the account about the thornbush, when he calls Jehovah ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him."(Luke 20:37, 38) So, those who have placed their faith in Jehovah's "only-begotten Son"(John 3:16), as the channel through which Jehovah will provide salvation for obedient humans (Acts 4:12; 2 Cor 1:20), but yet dies, they are still alive in Jehovah's mind or memory, so that what Jesus said at verse 26 is just that, these ones are as if they are alive to Jehovah, only waiting for their resurrection to happen, to recreate the same person with all their desires, just as Jehovah did with Jesus.(Acts 2:32; 3:15) And as for soul and spirit, the soul (Hebrews nephesh, that literally means "a breather") is us with all our desires as Deuteronomy 12:20 says, such as the longing for food, at Jeremiah 2:34 (King James Bible), where the soul bleeds, at Genesis 2:7 (King James Bible) in which Adam became (was not given or implanted with) a living soul once he started breathing (he was dead soul before he started breathing), just as a man becomes a doctor upon graduation from medical school and does not possess a doctor. At Leviticus 23:30 (King James Bible), it says that the soul can be destroyed, just as at Acts 3:23, whereby Peter says to the Jews in the temple: "And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet (Jesus Christ), shall be destroyed from among the people."(King James Bible) At James 5:20 (King James Bible), it says that the soul dies, just as Isaiah 53:12 says that Jesus soul died.(King James Bible) So, the soul is not immortal as the churches teach, in which the false doctrine of "hellfire" depends on the immortality of the soul, that supposedly burns and is screaming in agony forever as their "punishment". Of the spirit, it is an invisible force that produces visible results, such as our active life force (that can be likened to electricity for an appliance), that can be snuffed out so that we die.(Ecc 12:7) At Psalms 146, it says: "Do not put your trust in princes nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. His spirit (or life force) goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish (ceasing to exist)."(Ps 146: 3, 4) Or it can be a spirit in the spirit realm, such as an angel or Jehovah or Jesus, that is undetectable by humans, as seen at Psalms 104:3, 4. Or the word spirit (Hebrew ruach) can mean a person's motivation, their will to live, that can be "crushed", as seen at Proverbs 18:14: "A person’s spirit can sustain him through illness, but who can bear a crushed spirit ?"

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

You know is Psalm 146:3, his spirit “departs” as in goes, leaves, doesn’t say it dies, but is an active going from one place to another, his body dies and earthly plans perish.

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : When we say that the fire went out, we don't mean that it took a trip. The fire ceased to exist. The body without spirit is dead wrote James at 2:26. The person ceases to exist at death. Even God will find it impossible to resurrect a person still alive.

[@MrPoohman1981]

@@tongakhan230 the only thing about this statement is that fire never needed Jesus sacrifice, nor does fire have a spirit that Goes back to God. This fire statement is a very bad comparison when comparing it to scripture and what happens to the soul, and spirit. You guys literally just take what the governing body say and run with it. Its terrible 😞

[@tongakhan230]

@@MrPoohman1981 : Did one read the scripture to which I alluded. It was Psalms 146:3,4. It says at DEATH, the spirit GOES OUT and the human ceases to exist. I drew the comparison to a fire going out. Which doesn't mean that the fire took a trip. I'm not sure what one's question was. Sorry!

[@scottgrey2877]

@@tongakhan230 Ecclesiastes 9:5 is not about the spirit of man

[@tongakhan230]

Man to Judge: But your honour, I only killed his flesh. He is still alive in a spirit form. I can't be held on a murder charge if the person is still alive, can I.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

JUDGE: Yes you can, it’s illegal to kill someone’s body, destroy their flesh to which they can no longer support life. Sentence, Guilty.

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : The verdict is; "For the willful killing of 'Justin Harbor' (just a name), we the court find you guilty of MURDER and sentence you to ........ The PERSON is killed. Not bits and parts of him. Why did God impose the death sentence for the deliberate murder of another human being? - Exodus 20:13. It was God's 'LIFE for a LIFE' law being satisfied. One life had been snuffed out of existence deliberately. The guilty party had to pay with his LIFE.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@tongakhan230 Uhuh. Who said it’s sniffed out of existence? You are saying that, not the Bible. I made an argument that we are more than just flesh, but have a spirit, our consciousness, now wether that sleeps or not isn’t the issue, what matters is there must be some of us that lives on after the flesh rots away. But you disagree?

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : Why not actually take a Bible and read the FIRST occasion in which DEATH was mentioned. Here it is to help. (Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you RETURN to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will RETURN.” No one can RETURN to a place, such as heaven, If he had NEVER been there before. Someone can ONLY RETURN to a state or place he had BEEN BEFORE. Else, it would read: "You will GO ON TO...." Where was Adam before he was created? He didn't EXIST. To what state could he logically RETURN? To a state of NON-EXISTENCE obviously. That is why God purposed RESURRECTIONS for the DEAD (Acts 24:15). Resurrections BRING BACK INTO EXISTENCE those, who because of dying, have CEASED TO EXIST. The immortality of the soul, as was the Trinity, were APOSTATE teachings brought in AFTER the death of the Apostles (Acts 20:29,30). Stay with what the Bible DOES TEACH. Safer!

[@evanwindom3265]

Doctrine by analogy again, Tonga?

[@kennethwilliams5090]

Thanks for your very deep Bible understanding of the soul doctrine. While reading from Ecc 9:5 you said "the dead know nothing". Was the Bible you read telling the truth or was this just "poetic distinction" Can you explain to your viewers what is "poetic distinction". After reading the entire chapter and book and watching your entire video I was not able to find a change in the meaning for Ecc 9:5. You did use other scriptures to prove that Ecc 9:5 is both poetic distinction and also a lie. If this one verse is a lie because other Bible verses say it is a lie, how many other líes would you estimate the Bible contains? Is Atheism a wiser alternative to trusting a Bible riddled with "poetic distinctions and líes? You have successfully converted 98% of your viewers to Atheism. Was this your goal? Excellent job. The author of the Bible and your Creator is now the loser and you are the winner. Be proud of yourself always. No sarcism intended. I am sure those clisest to you are also proud if you and happy when in your presence.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Arn’t you just a charm of a person. See, I can read literature, like Shakespeare and Dostoevsky and differentiate, by the context and content, when the author is being literal or poetic. Same applies to the Bible. And to answer your condensing question, those around me are very happy in my presence. I can assume by your demeanor, that isn’t something we have in common. Listen Kenny, I know people that have been and currently being hurt by the JW cult, and I’m actively trying to let people see how their doctrine is horse crap. If you have a problem with me tearing down an evil cult that let’s people die and allows pedophiles to run free, than you’re a terrible person. If you have a problem with the Bible or just God in general, I pray you find Christ.

[@tongakhan230]

I would think that that would be the goal. To drive people away from the truth of God's word and get them to accept Satan's 'truth'. (Genesis 3:4) At this the serpent said to the woman: “You certainly will not die. To keep his lie afloat, Satan's religions teach about life continuity at death in some form. Immortality of the soul is one such.

[@kennethwilliams5090]

@@tongakhan230 it was extremely refreshing to read your comments on Gen 3.4 regarding Satan's lie. 1 John 4:1-2 says it is important to know how to test every teaching, true or false, to identify where these teachings originate and also those opposing Jesus. Your truthful statements mean you are a strong voice in a wilderness full of very popular Satanic deceptions. At John 8:32 Jesus says if we know the truth of Gen 2:16-17 we can be set free from Satanic influence and control. I perceive you are already in the Bible's truth or on your way in. In this case Rom 8:21 says you are destined to enjoy the glorious freedom awaiting obedient lovers of our creator JEHOVAH and Jesus HIS only begotten Son. I would like to hear more from you along with any other scriptural gems you can share. Please feel free to ask any Bible question you may have. You can also request Bible proofs for any statement I have made. Again I thank you for your truthful comments, though unpopular, they were extremely helpful and refreshing.

[@cygnustsp]

@@kennethwilliams5090 oh good lord

[@kennethwilliams5090]

@@cygnustsp Thanks for reminding me of the name of a song 🎵I like very much. If that was not your intent then your communication skills might not be working in your best interest. Feel free to let me know what you really intended to say.

[@leeBoB4257]

Jehovah said that you would DIE Genesis 2:17. Satan said the you shall not DIE . Genesis 3:4. YOU have the choice ether to believe in Jehovah or Satan.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

I do believe in Jehovah. Do you?

[@tongakhan230]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry : The question gave two options. To believe Jehovah Or Satan. How can someone claim to believe Jehovah while propagating Satan's lies? Is one OK?

[@jshebahshebeth7855]

@@tongakhan230 you caught him and when he gets caught in the lie he doesn't respond anymore. He like the others want to spew their lies with the hope of getting many comments and hopefully KZbin funds. Oh what a tangled web they weave...

[@tongakhan230]

@@jshebahshebeth7855 : The question at the end of the day is: Who is fooling whom? As long as there are the gullible, these videos will have a place.

[@cygnustsp]

JEHOVAH said in that very day they'd die. Satan said nope. Satan was right.

[@mandolinJo]

John 8:51 ¶Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. Jesus (joshua} ❤ KJV

[@timwayne8439]

There is no such thing in the bible that teaches immortal soul. Immortality is a gift not even jesus or the angels have it! But after Jesus came to earth and died that is did not exist only then could the ransom be paid. Other wise what good would a ransom be if jesus really didnt die that means no payment. Jesus after his resurrection was granted immortality. Humans do not have an immortal soul. So in genesis we read after God breathed the breath of life into adam the man came to be a living soul! Note it doesn't say he had a soul but that he was a soul the Hebrew word nephesh means breathers.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Did you watch the video?

[@timwayne8439]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Did you read my comments. Your full of bs just like the churches.

[@timwayne8439]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry so where is Adam and eve ? Living some where in the spirit world lol such nonsense.

[@timwayne8439]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry God made it clear if you eat the fruit death is what you get not life fool.

[@tongakhan230]

@@timwayne8439 : Quite so! These charlatans teach things contrary to God's truth. Genesis 3:19 in which God tells Adam that he will return to the ground at death. Adam could only RETURN to a place or state he had been BEFORE. He didn't exist before he was created. That is the only state he could RETURN to. Non-existence.

[@leejohnson6328]

if the soul was immortal than there would be no need for a ressurrection which Jesus died to give us . you cannot get immortality from imperfection

[@vusimngomezulu2500]

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[@leejohnson6328]

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[@scottgrey2877]

Most of the verses are about dead men not the spirit of man

[@Episcopalianacolyte]

Jehovah's Witnesses god is like a man who takes revenge on some random person because he was bullied when he was 12 years old. If a person ceases to exist when they die, "Jehovah " just creates a new person just to punish them for sins they didn't commit. That is why I am Christian, our GOD is merciful and just. He only punishes the person who has unrepentant sins. He isn't petty like your "Jehovah".

[@mo2874]

Interesting but incorrect. The bible teaches that at death we cease to exist. To demonstrate. *Before a persons parents got together where was that person? They did not exist, because the genetic material from mother and father had not joined to form that person.* It's logical then that once the body dies that genetic material disintegrates. Where does that leave the person? Non-existent again. People love to go into the original language and the meaning of "soul" and "spirit" and that is helpful. The bible however gives a very simple explanation of the composition of man... Genesis 2:7 King James Bible And the LORD God *formed man of the dust of the ground,* and *breathed into his nostrils the breath of life;* and *man became a living soul.* New International Version Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, *and the man became a living being.* New Living Translation Then the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground. He breathed the breath of life into the man’s nostrils, *and the man became a living person.* 1) Man is composed of the elements of the ground/dust. Like the saying goes "dust to dust, ashes to ashes." And when a person decomposes or is cremated what is left but dust... 2) Man has the breath of life in them. When a person drowns what do paramedics do...they give "mouth to mouth." They breathe into the person/resuscitate. That breath gets the body going again, reanimates the body. So breath of life is to do with "power". Think of it another way...when a fire is dying down, the embers are glowing, how do you get the fire to reignite? You fan it/give it oxygen. And often times a flame will ignite again. Appliances all work the same in our homes. When the power is connected they turn on. Turn off the power the items are dead/non functioning. Items that have a memory/storage in them only retain that information while powered. That's why when there's a power outage you might have to reset the digital clocks in your home etc. With those daily principles in mind now look at the bible... Ecclesiastes 12:7 New Living Translation *7For then the dust will return to the earth,* and *the spirit will return to God who gave it.* Contemporary English Version So our bodies return to the earth, and the *life-giving breath returns to God.* Ecclesiastes 3:18-22 New Living Translation 18I also thought about the human condition-how God proves to people that they are like animals. *19For people and animals share the same fate-both breathea and both must die.* So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! *20Both go to the same place-they came from dust and they return to dust. 21For who can prove that the human spirit goes up and the spirit of animals goes down into the earth?* 22So I saw that there is nothing better for people than to be happy in their work. That is our lot in life. *And no one can bring us back to see what happens after we die.* Ecclesiastes 9:10 New Living Translation 10Whatever you do, do well. *For when you go to the grave,b there will be no work or planning or knowledge or wisdom.* Psalms 146:4 New Living Translation *When they breathe their last, they return to the earth, and all their plans die with them.* New International Version *When their spirit departs,* they return to the ground; *on that very day their plans come to nothing.* So the bible clearly shows we return to the state we were prior to our being conceived through the joining of our parents - Non existent. It's like the expression people use about riches "you can't take it with you when you die." The ancient Pharoahs tried that and their treasures they were entombed with were later dug up and taken... Job 1:21 Amplified Bible *He said, “Naked (without possessions) I came [into this world] from my mother’s womb, And naked I will return there.* The LORD gave and the LORD has taken away; Blessed be the name of the LORD.” The breath of life/spirit/energy/spark/flame is is not a person, it is just an activating impersonal force like electricity. When the body dies that force dissipates. So there is no life in any way once power leaves the body... James 2:26 New Living Translation *Just as the body is dead without breath,* so also faith is dead without good works. New International Version *As the body without the spirit is dead,* so faith without deeds is dead. So what is the soul? 1 Corinthians 15:45 King James Bible And so it is written, *The first man Adam was made a living soul;* the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. New Living Translation The Scriptures tell us, *“The first man, Adam, became a living person.”* But the last Adam-that is, Christ-is a life-giving Spirit. *The Soul is the person* - Body and breath of Life combined. Think about the expressions "you poor soul" or SOS (save our soul), both refer to a living breathing person... Matthew 22:37 New Living Translation 37Jesus replied, “‘You must love the Lord your God with all your heart, *all your soul,* and all your mind.’e An immortal soul or spirit undermines the ransom of Jesus as well. A ransom is a payment to release a captive from being held. Mankind was ransomed by Jesus. But from what? Eternal death... Ezekiel 18:4, 20 Amplified Bible 4Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: *the soul who sins shall die.* *20The soul who sins shall die.* The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself. New Living Translation 4For all people are mine to judge-both parents and children alike. And this is my rule: *The person who sins is the one who will die.* *20The person who sins is the one who will die.* Psalms 49:8 King James Bible (For the *redemption of their soul is precious, and it ceaseth for ever:)* Contemporary English Version *It costs far too much to buy back your life. You can never pay God enough* Matthew 20:28 Amplified Bible just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to *give His life as a ransom for many [paying the price to set them free from the penalty of sin].”* New Living Translation “For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, *so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.* This is where a lie was introduced that seems plausible...STANDBY. In this mode a TV appears to be off, but really it's in reduced power mode. Standby is not off, its still ON. When power is disconnected from the mains there is no standby mode, off is OFF. So if humans did not truly die but they lived on as an immortal spirit/being/soul, then humans were not really dead - They were just in a standby/alternative mode. Jesus ransom payment would mean nothing. *It is only because humans were left with eternal death (no power) as an inheritance from Adam that Jesus was able to free us by a ransom payment. Through Jesus we are reconnected back to the source of life/power - God.* 1 Corinthians 15:22 New Living Translation Just as *everyone dies because we all belong to Adam, everyone who belongs to Christ will be given new life.*

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Do you have a hope of experiencing eternal life?

[@mo2874]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry You already know that Jehovah's Witnesses believe in eternal life into the future... so what's this leading to? Haha.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@mo2874 Ok, how do you plan to experience that when your consciousness ceases to exists when you die, and God only resurrects a clone of you?

[@mo2874]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry Exactly, as you know God can resurrect. Though ones think that is impossible...is that impossible for the Creator? Mark 12:18,24 New Living Translation *Discussion about Resurrection* 18Then Jesus was approached by some Sadducees- *religious leaders who say there is no resurrection from the dead.* They posed this question: *24Jesus replied, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God.* Jesus said he was entrusted by God with that assignment to bring ones back to life... John 11:21-25,40-44 New Living Translation 21Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if only you had been here, my brother would not have died. 22But even now I know that God will give you whatever you ask.” *23Jesus told her, “Your brother will rise again.”* 24“Yes,” Martha said, *“he will rise when everyone else rises, at the last day.”* 25Jesus told her, *“I am the resurrection and the life. Anyone who believes in me will live, even after dying.* 40Jesus responded, “Didn’t I tell you that you would see God’s glory if you believe?” 41So they rolled the stone aside. Then Jesus looked up to heaven and said, “Father, thank you for hearing me. 42You always hear me, but I said it out loud for the sake of all these people standing here, so that they will believe you sent me.” 43Then Jesus shouted, “Lazarus, come out!” *44And the dead man came out, his hands and feet bound in graveclothes, his face wrapped in a headcloth. Jesus told them, “Unwrap him and let him go!”*

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@@LightoverDarkMinistry Jesus has authority over the dead. He judges if they are resurrected or not. John 5:21-23 New Living Translation 21For just as the Father gives life to those he raises from the dead, so the Son gives life to anyone he wants. *22In addition, the Father judges no one. Instead, he has given the Son absolute authority to judge,* 23so that everyone will honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. *Anyone who does not honor the Son is certainly not honoring the Father who sent him.* Jesus also decides who get everlasting/eternal life... John 17:2 New Living Translation *2For you have given him authority over everyone. He gives eternal life to each one you have given him.*

[@AdamLopez1985]

Jehovah's Witnesses are right about everything

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

Prove it

[@AdamLopez1985]

@@LightoverDarkMinistry They're the true worshippers in John 4:23.

[@LightoverDarkMinistry]

@@AdamLopez1985 No, Christians are the true worshippers, John 4:23. See what I did there? That’s not proof, I made a claim with any evidence. You said they were right about everything. How do you know that

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NWT 1984 New Revised Edition Gen 35:18 And the result was that as her soul was going out (because she died) she called his name Ben-oʹni; but his father called him Benjamin. NWT 2013 New Revised Edition Gen 35:18 Just as her life was slipping away (for she was dying), she named him Ben-oʹni, but his father called him Benjamin. I see how they you say say to be true in right. Nice revision here.

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@@AdamLopez1985they are a cult and are going to hell