What Does the Bible Say About the Moment You Die?

[@thegospelcoalition]

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[@ralphgoreham3516]

Sorry to say this Mr Charles but I hope you are not being paid for telling people lies. They are sleeping in the grave and most of the dead will be resurrected in the coming "New earth". There may be billions that have died not knowing anything about thewill of God and who he is. Eccles. 9:5, 10. Isiah 26:19, Dan 12 :3,4, 8, 9. 13

[@malindavanhoy3688]

Thank you

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@malindavanhoy3688 There is much more to this than the above. The key to understanding death and the Grave (Greek hades) There is no such thing as an immortal soul or spirit. If such were so then it would negate the need for a resurrection. That would mean death would be an immediate entry to another room would it not? Here is what Jesus and Paul said John 11:11, 14. After that he saith unto them "Lazarus SLEEPETH, but I go that I may awake him out of sleep. V14 "Then Jesus said unto them plainly Lazarus is dead" KJV. Mark 5:35 ....." some men came from the synagogue and said "your daughter has died, why bother the teacher anymore?" V39 And when he had entered in he saith unto them "Why are you weeping? The child is not dead but SLEEPETH They all laughed ,then he resurrected her Paul 1 Thess 4:13--15 V13 KJV...."concerning those who are SLEEPING in death........ V14 For if if our faith is that Jesus died and rose again, so, too those who have FALLEN ASLEEP in Jesus will God will bring too. V15 .... that we the living who survive to the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are ASLEEP.. Thus the immortal soul teaching is the second greatest religious lie in Christendom

[@ammuravi9493]

​@@ralphgoreham3516😮

[@JenniferNewLife144]

My mom was on hospice and just passed today and before she died I kept reading bible verses and telling her to trust in the Lord, it was painful but I know now she is not suffering anymore. Thank you, Jesus

[@lynnm.2019]

I was also with my mother sweetheart. The hardest thing I’ve ever done, but the best thing the Lord has allowed me to do. He will carry you through this time until you see her again. Saying a prayer for you right now.🛐✝️❤️🫂🍃🌷🍃

[@JenniferNewLife144]

@@krc2143 I’m sorry to hear that and I will be praying for you all . I plan to do a video about my experience soon . It’s very difficult and I can tell you that what helped me is I prayed for God to give me strength every morning to take care of my mom . I had my emotional breakdowns in front of her although I tried not to but I think you should tell your mom how much you love her and make amends from the past while you can . Take everyday as a blessing and it’s ok to feel what you are feeling ! I still feel all those emotions. Just remember that we have eternal life and we all will be reunited one sweet day .🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️

[@Newport1930]

Dear Jennifer, my thoughts are with you. Death is a very hard pill to swallow. But right now your mother is present with The Lord in Paradise Heaven. My father passed away Sunday31st October 2021. My father had cancer of the oesophagus. My miss my Father Stanley very much. I am comforted the Jesus is coming soon and I will see my Dad again. Dear Jennifer my thoughts are with you at this difficult time. You will see the mother again. The greatest thing we The body of Christ, we will see our Heavenly Father and be in his presence for eternity. You will see your mother again. Be comforted Jesus is coming soon. We have a great hope. Praise The Lord.

[@JenniferNewLife144]

@@Newport1930 I'm sorry about your father and thank you so much for these comforting words. I feel up and down at times and it's just one of the hardest things I been though but I do thank God for eternal life and how we will be reunited with loved ones and the Lord as well.

[@JenniferNewLife144]

@@lynnm.2019 Thank you for your kind words and I'm sorry to hear you lost your mother as well.

[@PeaceFan1]

Hallelujah that I do NOT Deserve to go to Heaven to be with JESUS but THAT is Where I am going because of HIS UNFAILING LOVE and GRACE and MERCY, that SAVED a Wretch like ME!!! THANK YOU, JESUS!!!!

[@lynnm.2019]

I will raise a hallelujah to that!!😊🙌🏼✝️🫂❤️🍃

[@dhenderson1810]

A lot of people get in life things that they don't deserve and God does nothing about it, so why should deserving heaven or not be any different?

[@Core_Visuals]

My grandma Died yesterday at UAB of a brain aneurism. I know god called her home and It was her time. She was A complete and steadfast believer And was the nicest woman I've ever met. She has Met god now. Hallelujah

[@andreawithgod]

Amen praise God I know it may hurt to lose someone here on Earth and it’s okay to mourn and hurt, but find joy and truth in the fact she is free and happy with God now, Our Savior Jesus! Praise the Lord! Thank you for sharing and God bless you!

[@Core_Visuals]

@@andreawithgod It hurts. Found her email today. she was always asking me to message her every now and then. never thought I had the time. can't anymore. It hurts so much. and I'm only 12.

[@turtleneckferret]

Wyatt my dear boy, the same happened to me except my grandmother had written me a letter that I did not respond to. Just know you will see her again and all will be well. God bless you son.

[@andreawithgod]

@@Core_Visuals I am so sorry for my extremely late reply, KZbin does not tell me when I get messages. You are not alone in knowing you could have talked to your grandma more while she was here on Earth, alot of people deal with that realization when they lose a loved one. I know it hurts so bad. I want you to know that your grandma still loves you so much and she is in Heaven with our Lord Jesus. Although you won’t be able to see her again until you are in Heaven, I believe she would want you to seek the Lord in all the days of your life and to obey Gods first commandment which is to love God with all of your being. God wants you to love Him, seek Him, live for Him in all the days of your life. He will bring you peace and comfort. We all learn from our life experiences and what we call our mistakes. God bless you and be with you always ❤️

[@MariaLopez-mi4ol]

Well I kindda believe their energy is with us......or it could be the Holy Spirit confirmation when I get whole body chills after saying the name of the loved one outloud????? What do you think????

[@adriancano3991]

I had a near death experience and outside of my body was a sensation of extreme ecstasy. I was weightless., painless, conscious, comfortable and vision like a Hawk.. It was more real than the present. I learned that Energy cannot be destroyed it’s converted. It felt like that was real and this is all a dream. Can’t believe God loved me enough to show me. He loves everyone

[@eezy251able]

So does he love people like Hitler?

[@davidday9367]

Yes ! I will keep thus short but when I was 11 I had an out of body experience. I was kneeling at the alter praying and next I was floating below the ceiling, I had my same mind, my same vision but I was in spirit and yes it felt like wave after wave of pure energy was passing through me.

[@eezy251able]

@@davidday9367 that's sounds scary

[@vickysforum]

Death of true believers in Christ ushers them into eternity with God, where there will no longer be pain nor sorrow. There is nothing to fear when in Christ, even death. This world is fallen and full of evil. No evil will enter heaven; that's a holy, perfect, and joy-filled place.

[@exzydian5294]

Thank god there will be no evil in heaven. I always am wondering why do I exist in such an evil world? Literally we all need to eat and as simple as that it already means you need to kill to survive. This world is based on death itself. Maybe this world is hell or purgatory. People believe they will go there but maybe we already are in it. When we arw on this earth we are not in the presence of god which means someone already put us and our souls away from god (the source of all creation)

[@thetruth5736]

This is the best comment here...well put

[@Chris_Sheridan]

@@exzydian5294 .. you obviously don't read the bible for answers! Many bible students know that disobedient angels once had access to the heavens - the account in Job chapter 1, from verse 6 shows that even Satan walked into an assembly of angels stationed before God and was asked where he had been. He answered "From roving about on the earth and walking about in it" - during the time of Noah, Satan managed to deceive even angels in heaven to go down to the earth and materialise human form to have sex relations with women - Genesis 6. The hybrid offspring that resulted from these immoral relationships led to the increase in violence on the earth, which brought God's judgement when the flood came on that wicked generation. Those demonic angels were not allowed back into heaven - the book of Jude describes them as being constrained in 'dense darkness, awaiting judgement'. Since those times Satan has yet gained a following of demonic angels which were eventually ousted from heaven, as described in Revelation 12:7-12 War broke out in heaven when Michael the Archangel (the resurrected Jesus Christ) stood up with authority as ruler of God's kingdom and cleansed the heavens - Satan and his demons were hurled down to the earth, hence, the bible warns 'woe for the earth' meaning the beginning of 'critical times, such as wars, earthquakes, disease and food shortages - also increase in crime and lawlessness' just as Jesus had foretold. The bible shows that these 'last days' will come to an end when the global preaching of 'the good news of the Kingdom' is fully accomplished to God's satisfaction. Wicked people who do not change will be destroyed and the righteous will remain to take possession of a 'new' earth, free from violence, political turmoil and wars - it will be a new beginning for obedient humankind who have chosen to live by God's rules. Psalm 37:10, 11 & 29

[@joycemerrell3864]

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[@emesass5959]

What about God's promise at Rev. 21:3, 4? That proves your idea completely wrong. The Bible tells us what happens when we die (Eccl. 9:5, 10) Hope for those who died (John 5:28, 29) and the future of the earth Rev. 21:3, 4.

[@lindavid794]

My mother passed away yesterday. She was on hospice care like others in this thread. I had tried to prepare myself but it still hurts. I have lost all my friends from death or people moving away. I have one blessed daughter. Thank God. My husband had major surgery the day before My mother passes. What a nightmare. My daughter is stressed taking care of us. We are desperately in need of Gods presence, healing power and sustaining.

[@thegospelcoalition]

Thank you for sharing this. Our condolences are with you and your family. May God's presence be with you today in a very real way.

[@HopefulBird_326]

Praying for you 🙏

[@BarryL.-zw4nr]

My mom just died a few months ago and it hurt too. Just pray through it all and start reading the Holy Bible and live it and then God will fill you with his spirit. Jesus our Lord said he would send us the comforter. Amen...

[@cybersectec1858]

God made everything. He is not bound by our time and space. I say that when we take our last breath, we immediately take our next breath in the presence of the Lord. What do I mean? Well we are body-soul persons. Why do we need to imagine a intermediate state for a soul that exists without a body? Our entire persons are upheld and sustained by God. Since we are imagining, wouldn't it be simpler to say that even though in the timeline of the world, our body may turn to dust. Yet on that great Day of the Lord, we will rise together to be with Him forever. From the person who is "sleeping" perspective, his eyes blink closed in this life, and then opens in the next moment to a resurrected, glorified body, risen to meet our Savior, Jesus Christ!

[@hoosierhyperwatch5884]

That's how I believe it to be. Here, we are bound by the "space and time continuum" but in eternity, no one is bound by any of that. We blink and wake up with our Lord. HE'S already there!! He's bound by nothing. Outside of timelines and all that.

[@mrlnsfrt]

So the person who dies in Jesus notices no passage of time. Experientially the very next thing she sees is Jesus. So there is no awareness of the passage of time. I like this view.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

There is no such thing as an immortal soul or spirit. Those who say otherwise do not realise they are negating the resurrection hope which is always spoken of as a FUTURE occurence. Bible says the dead know nothing and in this age are no better off than the beasts, Eccl 3:19, 9:5,10. Paul and Jesus say the dead are ASLEEP. Mark 5:35,39, John 11:11,14, 1 Thess 4:13--15. There are many however that will be dead forever, no resurrection for them , That is what the "Lake of fire" means; "the second death". that judgment does not mean any conscious torment. In the days of the apostles jailers were viewed as tormentors. Luke 8:28, Luke 8:31. Thus this adverse judgment means one is locked up in death forever.

[@nomadicrecovery1586]

@@ralphgoreham3516 sounds like a jw The Bible does indeed teach an immortal soul The resurrection is of the flesh Having a soul does not interfere with the Bible’s view We are to have a glorified body. As Jesus did Whom also was raised in flesh. His body There is a lot of scholarship on this topic There’s a reason it’s understood Research both sides of this And I’d add ALL. Will be resurrected and judged Everyone

[@ralphgoreham3516]

If you still say we have an immortal soul i would challenge you to prove it.

[@joefrisbie485]

I had a NDE at 25 years old. I had my first grand mal seizure and it lasted almost 8 minutes and I stopped breathing most of that time turned completely blue until paramedics got to me. I was atheist but after what I saw during that time, I now know there is a god. Thank God for letting me come back home but at the same time I was happier than I had ever been during the time I was gone.

[@bhupindarsingh8405]

we have come from THE LORD and we are to go back to HIM .....amen

[@Chantelle001]

Amen

[@emesass5959]

No, we return to the ground, Eccl. 9:5 tells you what happens when you die.

[@dhandaisaminath3403]

Thank you pastors. Our assurance in Psalm 23, "Yea though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death I fear no evil; for Thou art with me thy rod and Thy staff the comfort me.. ...

[@friedaconradie8369]

To be absent from the body is to be present in Christ.

[@Skorzeny-san]

That may be true but that isn't what this verse says. If you believe that because you've actually read it then great, there are passages that seem to suggest that and many which say that we sleep until the day of resurrection. It's important that you read for yourself though and don't trust false teachers like these. 2 Corinthians 5:8 doesn't say "To be absent from the body IS to be present with the Lord". So this man just misquoted (by leaving out the first half of the verse and actually CHANGING A WORD from AND to IS, and by ignoring the context of the verse) the Word of God and his friend just sat there and nodded his head. Trust no man, only God.

[@silasr20]

U do not go to heaven immediately after death. Read the entire scripture

[@silasr20]

@@Skorzeny-san exactly the Bible says that the dead know not anything. Death is an enemy it’s not something we like how is it that it becomes and alternate route to heaven smh

[@timothym2241]

What did Jesus mean when he said on the cross to the thief, that tonight you will be with me in paradise? Strong statement that you go somewhere immediately and that he would be with Christ.

[@pirategamer6630]

​@@silasr20Bible says no nothing in OLD TESTAMENT (Old Covenant) Jesus's crucifixion changed that. We ascend to heaven (spiritually) after death.

[@ricosuave7102]

In order to live a Godly life,you must have the mind of God,be in the world but not of it,let go of anger,don’t believe your thoughts or live in your imagination,forgive,and do not worry about anything. Our life on earth should be uncertain but our faith in eternal life with Jesus should be certain.

[@Sam-ny9tz]

Amen ❤️ 🙏🏽

[@METALHEADMUSIC9999]

Amen, Riiiico.... Suaaaaaaaave. 😂

[@JerseyGurl4Life]

Actually the verse reads : “6. So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are home in the body, we are away from the Lord, 7. For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and home with the Lord.”

[@jasonwthompson5003]

The Bible say Paul would “RATHER” be absent from the body and present with the Lord.

[@SymbolofPeeace]

THANK YOU 🙏🏾 😂 How do people just read over that?

[@alexiamarina374]

@@SymbolofPeeace and how do people read over Jesus own words to the thief on the cross? "Today you will be with me in paradise"

[@johlking84]

@@alexiamarina374 But did Jesus go to Paradise on that day? No he did not assend until 3 days later. Jesus instead was insuring the thief he would be granted eternal life.

[@thebiblechristian4289]

I am pretty sure he meant he would be persecuted in Jesus rather than be alive in a world without Jesus.

[@jasonwthompson5003]

@@thebiblechristian4289 read 2 Corinthians 1:14 It’s refers in context the resurrection.

[@christinekovic5791]

The Bible teaches that our spirit (breath) returns to God who gave it, and our body returns to dust where it came from ...that is why they say "ashes to ashes" at a funeral. The Bible also teaches that when we die, we are asleep, (RIP) awaiting the return of Jesus, and will be resurected into a new body, and taken up to meet Him in the air. THEN they shall ever be with the Lord. 1Thessalonians 4:17

[@melindangcobo6701]

Amen!!! I've been scrolling to find someone to say, it makes sense.....may God bless u continuously and continue growing in His word🙏

[@emesass5959]

What about God's promise for the earth, and no more death and pain (Rev. 21:3, 4)?

[@denisethomson7685]

Please let's pray for one anouthers unsaved loved ones 🙏

[@mmommo-hx4dx]

HAD ME AT "being too pre-occupied with the Here and Now." Thank you.

[@eclectic2327]

no the verse is “We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.”

[@SymbolofPeeace]

Key word in this verse is « Rather « meaning if I had a choice, or I would prefer to be absent from my body.

[@meredithbenjamin6057]

Your confusing me.

[@tamidabrockington1708]

@@SymbolofPeeace I agree. This word 'rather' is SO KEY and so many look right over it. Ecc. 9 tells us the dead 'know nothing'. There's no wisdom, no knowledge, no awareness of life in the grave and we have to take ALL of Scripture together and look at the common theme around death. John 3:13 exclaims NO ONE has ascended up into heaven except the One who came down from heaven. These Scriptures matter and they matter greatly! The grave is not the end for us but (mostly) ALL FLESH will go that way; however, new life begins again at the Resurrection - the Coming of the Lord! Many won't agree on these things, but we must cling to what Scripture actually says and not what makes us feel good!

[@gueroloco8687]

That is what I was going to say!! I have seen so many people mis quote that verse.

[@pennyherndon2407]

Absolutley they left out and misquoted that verse

[@letscarryit]

Hallelujah glory to the Lord

[@hieveryonemynameiskermit4109]

Amen

[@Jason-dh7fd]

Glory to the father and the son. Our saviours❤️❤️

[@Chantelle001]

Amen Glory be to God Lord Jesus Christ Believe in him for he will Never Leave you. Nor Forsake you.

[@cherishnichole6096]

Just found out my stepdad’s cancer has spread. There’s no curing it! I’m sorry if anyone is dealing with a loss!! I completely understand.

[@dhenderson1810]

Had the same thing happen to my brother in 2015. He passed early 2016. My condolences. 😢

[@valt36]

There is either a spirit world like purgatory or we sleep until resurrection and judged. There are several passages that support this. God is the God of the living not the dead. This is my believe. Read the bible and decide for yourself. God bless.

[@achante2002]

Yes!

[@tamidabrockington1708]

The bible is clear that we 'sleep until resurrection and THEN the judgment'....and then rewards for those who are getting rewards! That's BIBLE!!

[@JohnDavis-ss4dw]

You’re already judged. You either accept the lord as savior or not before you die. There is no soul sleep your spirit goes to heaven or hell.

[@RichWeigel]

@@tamidabrockington1708 that does not explain then why the rich man went to hell immediately after death. "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."

[@aquaholixsd]

In time the beggar died and was carried away by the angels to Avraham’s side; the rich man also died and was buried. “In Sh’ol, where he was in torment, the rich man looked up and saw Avraham far away with El‘azar at his side. He called out, ‘Father Avraham, take pity on me, and send El‘azar just to dip the tip of his finger in water to cool my tongue, because I’m in agony in this fire!’ However, Avraham said, ‘Son, remember that when you were alive, you got the good things while he got the bad; but now he gets his consolation here, while you are the one in agony. Yet that isn’t all: between you and us a deep rift has been established, so that those who would like to pass from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’ “He answered, ‘Then, father, I beg you to send him to my father’s house, where I have five brothers, to warn them; so that they may be spared having to come to this place of torment too.’ But Avraham said, ‘They have Moshe and the Prophets; they should listen to them.’ However, he said, ‘No, father Avraham, they need more. If someone from the dead goes to them, they’ll repent!’ But he replied, ‘If they won’t listen to Moshe and the Prophets, they won’t be convinced even if someone rises from the dead!’” Luke (Luk) 16:22‭-‬31 CJB If we are asleep upon death, this bible excerpt could not be true as it is written... I believe it to be true. halleluYAH forever and ever.

[@TonyShumway-hc8qj]

Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Romans 5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: King James Version

[@JuniorLewingKoo]

Glory to God an Christ. Amen. Upon death, we enter into the very presence of GOD or Christ. Specifically, those who lived a righteous life on earth. Thus, truly believe in every word of the promises of the Holy Bible.

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

(We prefer rather to be) absent from the body AND present with the Lord.

[@weeniehutseniorss9438]

The Apostle Paul talks about whether dying or staying on Earth is better because in Philippians 1:21 he says “to live is Christ and to die is gain”. To answer the question, Paul also says in Philippians 1:23 that to depart from the body is to be in the presence of Christ.

[@friendlywarrior9033]

My dear brother Anthony died as a believer at the very young age of 29 due to double pneumonia and Covid on 12/26/21

[@meredithbenjamin6057]

I'm sorry for your loss, but glad He knew Jesus and is happy in Heaven.

[@amandasypnieski7692]

My father went to be with the LORD the day after your brother. Covid pneumonia as well. I rejoice knowing he's in the presence of Jesus, but miss him so painfully!

[@harrischelsea233]

Sorry for your lost, I had my 7 month old this day.

[@sandybradshaw1879]

Sincerest condolences- God comfort you 🎶🙏

[@dhenderson1810]

Why didn't the loving God intervene and either prevent your brother from getting COVID, or healing him from it? Can you imagine if a doctor decided not to heal a patient.

[@CSUnger]

Job 27:19-23 depicts what the nonbelievers experiences the moment they die and Isaiah 33:17-19 illustrates what the believers experience the moment they die. The two experiences couldn’t be further apart.

[@VisionTheLyricalOne]

God bless you both and God bless your loved ones. I am sorry for your loss R.I.P🙏🙏🙏❤️

[@nicolesdad]

when i engage in talk concerning Jesus and the bible, I always ask myself, "is this topic a salvation issue?" I believe the ministers have good intentions regarding this topic. Perhaps during these past three years they have discovered a better truth. Folks who take this position (we go immediately in the presence of Jesus upon death) will use "to be absent in the body is to be present in the Lord". They will also use "I tell you this day, you shall be with me in paradise". I believe every word of the bible, but I have learned to take it in its proper context. Without diving too deeply, i will simply switch focus on a few characters mentioned in the bible. Enoch, Moses, Elijah are now in heaven as suggested by the bible (and of course Jesus). Other than Jesus, why these three? Are they more important than, say Paul or Isaiah or Jeremiah or Peter? Why not Elisha? The ministers will suggest that these folks are also in heaven with Jesus but the bible clearly make a distinction of who is currently in heaven. The book of revelation mentions 24 leaders (or is it elders?). It i suggested that the folks that came out of the grave during the resurrection of Jesus that they are in heaven. We know the heavenly hosts are there, but they were created to be there. Then there's the folks meeting Christ in the air (those who are dead in Christ will be awakened...). How does the ministers reconcile this? Do those in heaven leave heaven to get into grave and enter their bodies? I do not believe that a Christian who believes like the ministers teach is in trouble for not making it to heave. I do believe that the who are learning about Jesus find this idea confusing. The bible has more evidence that when we die we do not ascend into heaven but we sleep a dreamless sleep until the day of the Lord.

[@Nuevachica]

Hi! Wow! After my sister passed away last year in May from cancer, I have so many unanswered questions about death. I’ve been on KZbin, searching for answers, and of course in a biblical way! I want to believe my sisters is with Jesus immediately like the thief on the cross with him. Your point of the three profits that didn’t die, but went straight to heaven I get that too as well. And there are parts in the Bible that states that when we die, we turn back to dust and we’re in a state of unconsciousness. This is very contradictory to where the Bible or part of the Bible states that when we die, we go into the presence of God. So I’m not sure we go into the presence of God, or we turned back into dust. I’m very confused and I’m still learning. As you stated, no one has came back from the dead to really tell us or provided proof so all I could do is have faith and believe that when we die, we’re going into the presence of the Lord.??? And I read, a part in the book of Isiah, that once you die, you cannot cross over because of the chasm. There is a part in the Bible talks about the rich man and the poor man Lazarus. The poor man is in heaven immediately with Abraham, but the rich man is in hell.!! so does that mean when we die we go to heaven and we meet amazing prophets like Abraham or . Moses Etc?? 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@nicolesdad]

@@Nuevachica Greetings Nuevachica. Firstly let me say that I am sorrowful for hearing about the loss of your sister. I lost a cousin from cancer. I have two sisters dealing with cancer presently. I have a coworker and a church member dealing with this disease. When I think about Christ and heaven, I have learned to sift through all the arguments both for and against being in heaven immediately upon death.I take this position because I do not believe it is a salvation issue-although it may actually BE a salvation issue. Let me explain. Acts 17:30-31 talks about "God winking towards ignorance...then calling men to repentance". Here Paul is saying, 'Hey followers of Christ, at one time you knew not, and at that time God did not count it against you, but now that you know...repent' I am paraphrasing of course but I think you get my meaning. I used to believe the idea of fols vanishing suddenly...clothes neatly folded at their last known location. Had I died during that mindset and have accepted Jesus, I believe I would have been in heaven eventually. My point is this: it does not matter the particulars of ones faith concerning this specific subject. It only matters that one has accepted Jesus as their savior. Let Jesus do the rest. Scholars have studied and continue to study God's word. Some say good works are involved along with Jesus. Others say it's all about Jesus and no works can get you into heaven. Still others espouse that once saved, always saved. Even in Jesus day, the leaders argued as to how to be closer to God. For me, i have deduced through study and relationships that it's about the finished works of Christ. His blueprint regarding salvation is in the sanctuary. Study the sanctuary and you will get a clear roadmap of how we are justified, sanctified, and eventually glorified. So, should you be concerned whether your sister is in heaven right now? The more important question is: while she was with you on this earth, did she have a relationship with the risen savior? Did she give her life to Jesus? If so, I believe we who are in Christ will see her again. Regarding Abraham's bosom...this analogy was used to show that the people who placed their faith in their wealth will be the least. Keep the faith my sister.

[@Nuevachica]

@@nicolesdad Hi! Thank You so much for taking the time to reply back and also taking your time to go into details. This means a lot. I am very very sorry about your Cousin. I know death tooo weellllll and it really sucks!! I am very sorry about your sisters and friends.. Cancer is a horrible horrible disease! It's like Satan tormenting you daily, like you are living in HE LL with the treatments, medicine, bad news after bad news, trial and errors etc etc.! . ThShe was a practicing Christian. We went to Catholic Schools and we went to church when we were young (kinda like the church babysat us because both of our parents worked 6 days a week) etc etc. After college, we didn't really go to church or had any relationship with God. The only reason I am close to God was because I went thru 3 horrible tragedies in my life and I was crying to God to save me and spare me from the pain and burden! My sis went to church several times to meet guys etc etc. concept. But I know during her last few months she was seeking God! I had our close friend, who is a Catholic prayer warrior baptized her over the phone because she lived on the other side of the US. I also had Chaplins, friends etc. come in during her last few weeks at the hospital before she went home to pray for and over her. She accepted it and confessed it with her mouth that she accepted Jesus as her Lord and savior. There were couple of incidents I felt at peace that she's with God and had my friends confirmed too. I will lift you in my prayers! I hope everything your sisters and friends will over come this nasty disease and live a good quality of life! Blessings!

[@nicolesdad]

@@Nuevachica Thank you. I appreciate the prayers. We all need Jesus' covering mercies for sure.

[@mocroxx100]

Im a muslim and it was very interesting to what the christian pov is. We as muslims also believe in the resurrection and the coming of Jesus pboh. I recommend you all to look up whats the islamic pov is about death and resurrection. Understanding for each others religion is very important.

[@racist5977]

Bro EXACTLY THE SAME with me lol

[@tongakhan230]

Christians believe what God teaches. Humans cease to exist at death (Genesis 3:19). It was the churches who came up with other teachings to contradict this truth. That humans live on at death was Satan's first lie (Genesis 3:4).

[@nofacemechanic2328]

Brother no disrespect but Islam is a false teaching we do not believe in the same Jesus nor the same God. Your version of God is completely different from my Christian version of God I beg you brother to turn from Islam and come to Christ and put your faith in him as he is a free gift of God. I cannot have a understanding of other religions because they are all false. Every religion claims you must have good deeds to enter into the afterlife if everyone has done good deeds to overthrow their bad deeds then how will the bad deeds be punished? Christianity is the only true "religion" because no one is good besides the Father, no amount of good deeds can get a person into heaven because everyone deserves punishment to pay for their debt "sin". That's why Christ was that atonement for sin he paid the full price of everyone's sin so they can be right with God. 1 John 1:9 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness", 1 Timothy 1:15 "The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am foremost", 1 Corinthians 15: 3-4 " Christ died for our sins in accordance with scripture, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance to scripture." Here are some of the flaws of Islam: 1. Allah has many names and one of them he is called a "deceiver" (meaning liar). The God of the bible is not a God of lies nor confusion, the God of the bible is the same as yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever. 2. Allah commends his followers to beat their wives and to slay unbelievers if they do not follow Allah. The God of the bible tells men to love and cherish their wives and to honor them as well. Plus the God of the bible does not tell us to murder unjustly or to slay anyone who doesn't believe in God. 3. The Qur'an says that Jesus was never crucified that a look alike was crucified and that also plays into Allah being a "deceiver". The God in the bible talks of Jesus dying on the cross for the whole world in the New Testament and Old. 4. Muhammad was unsure if he will go to heaven or not. That is suppose to be the standing rock of Islam Muhammad the prophet the only person in the Qur'an who ascended into heaven supposedly is Jesus. The God of the bible stands firm on his word and doesn't change that anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as their lord and savior is saved and will spend eternity with God and here are a few scriptures that tells that a true believer in Jesus Christ will for sure enter the kingdom of God. John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgement, but has passed from death to life". 5. The Qur'an says to believe in the Torah and Nigel but many proclaimed muslims don't believe in the Torah or Nigel that is because if you were to read the Torah and Nigel no mention of Islam or Muhammad would be mentioned. Once again brother I am in no disrespect to you I just want you to know the real God is and I plead with brother. Look into Nabeel Qureshi who was a muslim convert to Christianity. Also please, please, please take free time to look into a KZbin channel - Your Living Manna Testimony. They are people from all world view religions converting to Christianity I mean every religion even atheism. Also look into a Canadian street preacher named David Lynn KZbin channel - Christforgiveness watch him debate with muslims on the streets of Canada and please pay attention to the tone of language the Christian preachers is putting out and the muslims. Love you brother, peace

[@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG]

@@tongakhan230 if there is no after life there is no point in believing either. Are you going to discard the whole of Revelations?

[@tongakhan230]

@@EmeraldPixelGamingEPG : There is certainly going to be a resurrection of the dead which will afford these ones a new opportunity to qualify for everlasting life on earth - Acts 24:15, Psalms 37:29. Satan promised that humans will never die - Genesis 3:4. Many people believe that lie of some life CONTINUITY AT DEATH. God decreed that humans will cease to exist at death - Genesis 3:19. The whole purpose of a resurrection is to bring back into existence those who, by their death, have ceased to exist. Hope this is helpful.

[@margiedenavarre7919]

All of this must be tempered with the somber and serious recognition that the hope of being with Christ is only for those with Jesus as their only Lord and Savior, but for unbelievers, for nonChristians, there is only the terrifying fear of judgment forever.

[@johnnyjohnson1370]

Today you shall be with me in Paradise. , TODAY. Not today I say this, but TODAY YOU WILL BE WITH ME. TODAY

[@ripcord8738]

At Luke 23:43 told the robber, next to him, "Verily, I say unto thee, today thou shalt be with me in paradise".(KJV) How could that be since Jesus wasn't resurrected for three days and didn't ascend to heaven for another forty days?

[@waffleiover3242]

Sorry for your loss, They are with God if they followed him now!

[@pennyherndon2407]

Paul said he had rather be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord. Big difference

[@mcandler_the_unscottish]

A dead person is outside of time. When Jesus told the thief " today you will be with me in paradise" He didn't even leave for heaven until 43days later. When one dies, you could be asleep for a million years and still wake up and think it has been a blink of an eye. Everyone who dies is asleep awaiting the coming of the King. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Hebrews 9:27 “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first” 1 Thessalonians 4:16 Jesus said, “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth-those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation” John 5:28,-29 Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also” John 14:1-3 The dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it” Ecclesiastes 12:7 When the thief on the cross is resurrected to life, it will seem like a moment to him and indeed that very day he will be with the Christ. This is what I believe but do stand under correction.

[@christinekovic5791]

AMEN!

[@DrobGolfs]

Couldn’t have said it better

[@timothym2241]

Why then did Christ say tonight?

[@mcandler_the_unscottish]

@@timothym2241 I don't know which version says " tonight" or why He would say that. Otherwise, considering that He only went to heaven 43 days later, either Jesus lied or we are lost in translation.

[@robinharris3256]

Thank You, Lord Jesus for Blessing me!... I am so Thankful for this podcast...😪

[@eekamouse-js8lr]

Hundreds of years ago, a Zen Master & his student are meditating together at a strictly-enclosed Tibetan monastery that is known for its supreme excellence in teaching spiritual matters. After a couple of hours sitting together, the novice asks the Master: "Master, what happens to us when we die?" After a long, dramatic pause, while stroking his long, white beard, the Zen Master replies, "I don't know, my son." The novice asks, "How can you not know? You are a *Zen Master* ! The Master's laconic reply was, "Yes, but I'm not a dead one."

[@IsaacNussbaum]

*"The apostle Paul said **_'To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.'"_* (@0:05) The apostle Paul said no such thing. Please, in the name of God, resign your ministry before you do any more damage to Christ and His church.

[@sheridanpark1193]

1 Thessalonians 4:15-18 NASBS [15] For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. [16] For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. [17] Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. [18] Therefore comfort one another with these words. So how are we in Heaven with God if Paul says the dead in Christ will rise first????

[@ripcord8738]

The misunderstanding is in verse 15. The Greek interlinear translation uses the word "Presence" (Greek parou'sia). The selection of those that would rule with Christ in the Kingdom began when Christianity was established in the 1st century. It would continue down to the time we're currently living in.(Matt.24:3-14) When Jesus' presence began, those that were "dead in Christ would "rise first". (those that had died over that 2000 years;1st Cor.15:51,52) Anyone of the "anointed" that are alive, after and during his presence, wouldn't precede them. (verse 17)

[@100anti]

yes that's what i understood too. so where are the souls now??

[@maureengimblett7412]

The souls (that is the body) are still in their graves.

[@juliozumaya5290]

So we sleep until he comes?​@@maureengimblett7412

[@WDYD]

Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return.”

[@PettyIsMyMiddleName]

So does that mean we simply will no longer exist , after death?

[@DatkidDon]

Paul never said that! He said he would RATHER be absent from the body AND present with the Lord.

[@JoseMoreno-nw2si]

Hallelujah praise God

[@stephenbarrera3336]

God Is good🙏🙏🙏

[@Lionaura74]

I’m 50 dying from cancer. I don’t want to be anywhere, nowhere but here with who I love, going places I love, being in my own home, enjoying the music and art I love and creating the music I love. All I feel is terror and sadness and anger. I can’t miss the rest of my future. I can’t be somewhere I don’t want to be forever. So, this whole concept of having to still exist just makes it worse.

[@gavduncanson2490]

The Apostle Paul and the group who were having a discussion came to a conclusion that they would "RATHER" be absent from the body and be present with the Lord. Paul NEVER said, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Read 2 Corinthians 5:8 again, and read the verses before and the verses after.

[@loridingee1204]

@Gav Duncanson , you are absolutely correct! Awaiting the New Body - Corinthians Chapter 5: For we know that if the earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal house in heaven, not built by human hands. 2 Meanwhile we groan, longing to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, 3 because when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. 4 For while we are in this tent, we groan and are burdened, because we do not wish to be unclothed but to be clothed instead with our heavenly dwelling, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now the one who has fashioned us for this very purpose is God, who has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come. 6 Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

[@silasr20]

the Bible says that “Man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, they will not awake nor be roused from their sleep. … His sons come to honor, and he does not know it; they are brought low, and he does not perceive it” (Job 14:12, 21). “Nevermore will they have a share in anything done under the sun” (Ecclesiastes 9:6).f The dead cannot contact the living, nor do they know what the living are doing. They are dead. Their thoughts have perished (Psalm 146:4 KJV). Your loved ones are not in heaven looking down on us. The wicked are currently not burning in hell but rather they vid are in silence in the grave unaware of the passing of time or remembering anything in this life until Jesus returns. They’re gone but they don’t realize it. There will be two ressurections. The ressurection of the righteous and the ressurection of the wicked. Daniel 12:2-3 King James Version (KJV) And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.😊

[@juliesimonson9181]

Please answer ….. is it our SOUL that goes directly Into the presence of the Lord? Without judgment day we Christians haven’t yet gotten our new glorified bodies. And where do unbelievers go immediately after death if the judgment hasn’t taken place yet?

[@ripcord8738]

Only those that have been selected by God to rule in the Kingdom, are resurrected as spirits.(1st Cor.15:35-44,50;Re.5:9,10;20;6 Everyone else will live on earth.(Psalm 37:9,11,29;Matt.5:5;Isaiah 11:6-9 Unbelievers will be destroyed at Armageddon.(Re.16:14-16)

[@DTHRILLS.DANIEL.THRILLRIDETV]

Every one is in a deep sleep until the day of judgement. Then our rewards will happen. The devil tricked the church.

[@dhenderson1810]

So you are telling me that my loved ones, who died before they should have, are not only missing out on birthdays, Christmas and other family events and the chance to live their life, not only physically but spiritually too? After they died, I comforted myself with the though that, while not here, they are still a "part of it" and are still "here with us". But if you have no consciousness or mind when you die, how will you even know if you are in heaven or hell? What is even the point? If God is going to take people from us, at least have it that we can still "talk with them", "connect with them". I never wanted God to take these peoe away, but He still did, so the least He can do is not take them away spiritually as well.

[@emesass5959]

God is doing something even better - he has promised to ressurect those who have died (John 5:28, 29). When you die you know nothing at all (Ecclesiastes 9:5 & 10). Finally God will remove all death, pain and tears as we will live on a perfect paradise earth (Rev. 21:3, 4)

[@gfhdesigns4159]

Stop lying to people. When we die. We cease to exist until the resurrection. Read your bible

[@loridennis2989]

When one dies his soul and spirit immediately goes to either Heaven or Hell. Maybe you should read your bible. Not only read but study.

[@thedude4922]

@@loridennis2989 that's so wrong it's not even funny. you cannot go to heaven or hell before you're judged on judgement day

[@Livi_333]

When we die we “sleep” everyone does. You cannot go to heaven or hell until the resurrection. If we go immediately.. there is no resurrection. That totally goes against what Jesus did for us.. also Hell doesn’t exist yet. That comes after the judgement

[@danlast4259]

@@loridennis2989 Please show me in the bible where it says that, what scripture says that.

[@gillianstewart8442]

@@Livi_333 So why did Jesus say to the thief on the cross " today you will be with me in paradise"

[@donnaobrien7790]

We are sleeping until he comes for us! We will experience the presence of God - But it will be when he comes for us.

[@silasr20]

Exactly 😊

[@silasr20]

If we go immediately to heaven after we die then who would Jesus be coming back for at his second coming? It says the dead in Christ shall rise first. It doesn’t make sense for people to already be in heaven and wen Jesus comes again they come back with him to get their bodies ? Come on now. The bib teaches that we remain in the grave knowing not a thing until Jesus returns. U cease to exist even Jesus calls death a sleep because he knows one day we’ll all be awakened from the grave to receive our reward

[@patricj951]

Spot on! Jesus needed to ressurrect from the dead to go to heaven so how can we go direct to heaven without ressurrection? And if people already are in heaven they would be just fine. Paul's word about "abscent from the body is to be present with the Lord" can actually be understood that the next conscious state will be at the ressurrection to life.

[@silasr20]

@@patricj951 exactly my point at least u know the truth

[@dhenderson1810]

The Christians who are still alive at the time of the end days. Plus He has come "with a sword" meaning that He comes to punish the sinner.

[@gayle861]

BIBLE SAYS GOD IS TIMELESS , THERE IS NO TIME TO GOD

[@thornadotrigger3073]

i feel good my life is a passing away . I may not get the best likes but if the time comes i'm ready . Too many waste time thinking life is precious .

[@fredfourie994]

Ligon was my lecturer at RTS in Mississippi

[@mrlnsfrt]

Can anyone give me the Bible verses he is referencing? The title of the video says “what does the Bible say” so I’m waiting for the Bible references. Thank you in advance.

[@malindavanhoy3688]

2 Corinthians 5:8-10

[@mrlnsfrt]

@@malindavanhoy3688 I would be well pleased rather to be absent from Canada and to be present in Hawaii but it does not mean that the moment I leave Canada I am in Hawaii. Would not 1 Cor. 15:50-58 be a much better description of what happens? The dead are raised incorruptible and we who are alive are changed. Also it seems to better match what he says in 1 Thess. 4:13-18.

[@toni4397]

I would highly recommend you the video to this topic which gets explained in detail from the channel :DLM Christian lifestyle the videos named what happens after we die ! He talks about every single verse and about verses that seem to go against that hope but how we should understand them in correct context. If you watch his video all your questions should be answered:)

[@ralphgoreham3516]

@@malindavanhoy3688 Paul was expressing his desire for the "earlier resurrection". He was anointed, sealed and adopted as one one of the 144,000. He did not know the heavenly resurrection Heb 3:1, would be 2000 years into the future. 1 Thess 4:13--16.

[@mrlnsfrt]

@@toni4397 Thank you for the recommendation. I watched the video, and I appreciate how he listed the verses that mention death as sleep in the Bible. Like when Jesus says that in John 11:11 that "Lazarus sleeps" but He is going there to "wake him up." Jesus did not say that Lazarus was in heaven or hell. Imagine Jesus saying, "Lazarus is in heaven right now, enjoying communion with God and the holy angels, but don't worry, I'll bring him back here so he can suffer for a few more years before he dies again." Also the gentleman in that video mentioned Luke 23:43 where Jesus is talking to the thief on the cross. It is an interesting text and since there is no punctuation in the original text, it could be read "Surely I say to you today, you will be with me in paradise." meaning Jesus was giving him assurance today, that one day he would be with Jesus in paradise. I take this to be the more accurate interpretation since in John 20:17 Jesus tells Mary not to cling to Him because He had not yet ascended to His Father. How could the thief have been with Jesus in paradise Friday night if He had not yet ascended to the Father on Sunday morning?

[@chandir7752]

In what ways will the "new earth" look different than our current earth? How will a glorified body fell like? If suffering is absent, would you even be able to see or feel anything?

[@imagine3460]

Thank you for informing me on this, Amen

[@bigburrito308]

I'll repentance after death when we have all the facts and understand the reality that God is real and there is a life After death. I think it's evil for God not to give us all the information and judges off of it

[@emesass5959]

The information you need to know is in the Bible. It holds no secrets.

[@ibrahimriversnoone9767]

The people(some Christians) who said that they died and report what occurred for them SAY DIFFERENTLY- so what does that make you and what you say?

[@Jamie-Russell-CME]

The hope is Jesus return.

[@MarcosRodriguez-le7oz]

Please quote more scripture because there are still people who believe we soul sleep until the final resurrection of judgment day. Just like they have been before Jesus died in the cross. Matthew 27:50-53 records, “And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit. And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth shook and the rocks were split. The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.”

[@sweenytwain7095]

We sleep until the resurrection. No one goes to heaven immediately. People love that thought tho but according to scripture its just not true

[@sheniah2850]

@@sweenytwain7095 i was looking for this comment. Thank you. People need to do more bible study

[@juliesimonson9181]

@@sweenytwain7095 I’m confused about this too I thought when Jesus was resurrected he was also in a glorified body as if he had been to heaven. That’s another scripture say that the Lord is still preparing a place for us. And the judgment hasn’t come yet so how can some people go to heaven and not others when the great judgment hasn’t taken place. Soul sleeping has always confused me.

[@freddyyonathanantou8864]

bible explains death same as sleeping. so it is the bible authority in life which telling the truth. not just some popular thought

[@purpleflame9327]

If that's so, who does the lord resurrect the second coming if we're all supposedly there.

[@Samuelson8169]

When we read the Bible in genesis it is clear that body + spirit = soul.. a living soul... if there is a living soul then there must dead soul... that's why in Ezekiel 18:20-24 it is written that The soul that sinneth, it shall die... Human has a spirit not a soul... that spirit is given by God .. as it is written in Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it. The spirit of man as all other spirit beside God the Father and Lord Jesus Christ can die as the Bible says clearly that only God has immortality.. no other things or creature in the universe has.. even the Satan and demons as well as angels . They have no inherent immortality and can die.. .. Only God the Father and Lord Jesus have... When someone dies his mortal spirit return to God but it will not be conscious.. when the body and spirit separates the consiousness also lost and the person will be like someone who is fallen asleep.. Jesus when encountered death always refered it as sleep. He said to His disciples " Our friend Lazarus sleepeth . when His disciples said : when he sleeps he will do well then Jesus said plainly : Lazarus is dead... Lazarus was inconscious when he died for four days in the grave.. he did not go to heaven but just dead his spirit left him and return to God... this is strengrhened with the fact that Jesus never comforted Mary and Martha by saying that Lazarus ( who Jesus loved) was already in heaven living happily with God the Father and the angels. Both Mary and Martha complained of Jesus late arrival in Betania and in both occasions Jesua just said and convinced them that Lazarus will be raised from the dead. Jesus even moved and troubled when He saw Mary and the crowds weeping on the dead of His friend Lazarus and then wept..Jesus as a full human at that time felt sad and also wept. Jesus would not weep if Lazarus was already in heaven Instead He would comfort them. Another fact is that nowhere in the Bible we found any record of Lazarus sharing his wonderful and happy experience he enjoy in heaven during his four days death. Even when six days later there was a supper made conducted by the family where Jesus and their neighbours attended Lazarus did not tell anything about being in heaven.... He was unaware of anything when he died and put in the grave for four days... Nowb let us look at old Testament... did Israel people believe in going to heaven after someone died? No... they felt a great loss when their leader passed away.. they mourned for many days, sometime 30 days for Aaron, for Moses Abraham the Father of Faithful mourned for his wife Sarah and many more examples. if Israel people had been taught that their leaders would go to heaven when they die, they would not be grieved so hard . instead they would be glad and praise God for taken away their faithful leaders to heaven..

[@stephanieCl]

Thank you for dissecting the word! I’m blessed by this teaching

[@ripcord8738]

Yup. Are you a JW?

[@Samuelson8169]

@@ripcord8738 no..i debated with more than four JWs on the divinity of Jesus

[@RitaSausa-k3z]

This is a biblical view!!!

[@jeremiahmansaray2642]

So Allen what is the purpose of the resurrection ?

[@sangihalam9469]

What about my son who died at age of 4 what does god mean by??

[@dennisblair3186]

I love hearing these truths.

[@Bikers77]

our hope is in a enternity in Christ yes.. but I grew up in a cult that only taught about His coming.. There is a work to be done here to. So that being said. I'm going to enjoy my time here and love on all my friends and family. Nothing wrong with enjoying life. Did they say you can't on this podcast no.. but they also dont talk about that its of to love life as well.

[@januaryman169]

Jesus said, Jhn 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. Why do people overlook this scripture? God is omnipresent so, whether we live or die, we are in the presence of the lord. Before we can enter heaven, we have to stand Before God on judgment day. Those whose name is written in the Lamb's book of life, go to heaven. Those not found written will be cast in to the lake of fire and brimstone which is the second death.

[@bvad7884]

Um..the bible says we "sleep" when we are dead- until the second coming.

[@TheBibleSays]

You are correct. Where do the dead go? They go to the grave, and there they stay - "asleep" in death, knowing nothing - until they are resurrected: ⚫ "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:2) ⚫ "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (Jesus in John 5:28,29) After your last breath, you go to the earth, your grave, and your "thoughts perish" - your consciousness stops - until you're resurrected. ⚫ "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4) While dead, we know nothing: ⚫ "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5) The apostle Paul described the resurrection (at Jesus' return) of "the dead in Christ" - those who "sleep in Jesus" - in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and here in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17: ⚫ "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) Jesus asked the Father to receive his spirit when He was dying . . . does that mean Jesus had a spirit of some sort that continued alive after He died? Do we have an immortal spirit that goes to heaven when we die? No, that idea comes from a misunderstanding of "spirit." In the original Greek text the "spirit" was Jesus' _pneuma_ - His breath - which He asked the Father to receive: ⚫ "And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ ” Having said this, He breathed His last." (Luke 23:46, NKJV). When Stephen was martyred, he did the same: He asked the Lord to receive his spirit - his _pneuma_ - his breath of life (Acts 7:59). Without the "spirit" - the breath of life - the body is dead: ⚫ "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also." (James 2:26) "Spirit" in that verse is from that same Greek word _pneuma._ The word _pneuma_ is still with us today: we have "pneumatic" - air powered - tools. When God created Adam, He breathed into his nostrils the breath of life (Gen 2:7). Job described his spirit, his breath: ⚫ "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;" (Job 27:3) Upon death, that spirit - that *physical breath of life* - goes back to God: ⚫ "Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it." (Ecclesiastes 12:7) Jesus and Stephen were simply asking God to receive back that breath of life. While we are dead our consciousness has stopped. We are unaware, and we do not experience the passage of time. We are "asleep" in death. Paul understood that after his death *_the very next thing he'd know_* would be that he had been resurrected and was rising to meet Jesus (1 Thess 4:16,17). It would *_seem like no time had passed since his last conscious moment at death._* That's why Paul wrote: ⚫ "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:" (Philippians 1:23) ⚫ "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8) Was Paul a hypocrite, telling the Thessalonians they'd meet Christ after their resurrection -but that he would be with Christ the moment he died? Of course not. Paul hoped for the same resurrection he told the Thessalonians about: ⚫ "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead." (Philippians 3:10,11)

[@mcebokhumalo8131]

@@TheBibleSays Beautiful

[@cnoel7017]

THANK YOU! Someone said it!

[@elizabethmathew9730]

Whether we sleep or not, I believe, like Job that I will see my redeemer face to face

[@bvad7884]

Elizabeth Mathew Yes-- on judgement day.

[@theart4916]

Have faith in Jesus Christ he is the narrow gate

[@new_comment]

I don't believe in the doctrine of soul sleep, but even if it were the case, I don't think we would be aware of time having passed.

[@ripcord8738]

According to Eccl.9:5, there's no "consciousness" in death. So, yeah, no passage of time.

[@jlmadd]

Its all in Ecclesiastics

[@timothym2241]

@@jlmaddA lot changed with the coming of Christ. Perhaps what was written in Old Testament times changed as well?

[@dhenderson1810]

So they will have no memories of their life on Earth?

[@dillonsronce2583]

Sadly one of my best friends died last night from lung cancer, he had been in the icu for 2 days. He was only in his mid 30s. That's way too young.

[@jamesdeluca6657]

Thanks,I needed this.thank you Jesus.

[@truthseeker7086]

What about what it says in 1 Thess. 4: 13 - 18, those who sleep in death.

[@MitsubishiEvo10mr]

So, as I get older, I get severe anxiety, that one day my mom and dad will no longer be here and that scares the ever living crap out of me because I will be on this world by myself. I know I should be because I am an adult, but I just need to know if we will see you loved ones again

[@adnanben784]

Be a muslim what do you wait ?Seriously ?

[@thomastessier4529]

A question here: The Bible says the dead in Christ will rise first durning the Rapture. the Bible also mentions something to the effect people who have died are asking how long are you going to wait until You judge those who killed us and bring us to Heaven? And I believe they are those waiting who have died and waiting to enter Heaven. Is this purgatory? I would just like to hear what others think about this. Sorry I did not include Scripture quotes but can if needed. I just figured other Christians would not need them and would know what I am asking.

[@christopherrandall6974]

I’ve died before and the furthest I’ve been I ACTUALLY REMEMBER is nothing but darkness and no sound,that was it,then I woke up in the hospital

[@evanclarke5561]

That's dark

[@milkshake321]

Same hear. Except it looked like I just closed my eyes and I heard a faint humming sound. I was fully aware saying to myself aim I dead I started crying inside then I regained consciousness

[@llarita5042]

What about Lazard and the rich man.

[@ripcord8738]

The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable. It's been(and continues to be ) used to support the hellfire doctrine but when examined literally, it fails. The Bible teaches that hell(Hebrew sheol and Greek hades) are the grave.

[@gerrymallon5219]

Jesus says he who believes in me shall not perish you shall have everlasting life

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Yes, He did. When does the Bible say that the redeemed will receive that everlasting life, Gerry? At what future event? Do you know?

[@gerrymallon5219]

When we die

[@IsaacNussbaum]

@@gerrymallon5219 If saved people aren't really dead when they die, Gerry, what do you recommend that I do with Hebrews 9: 27? ✴ _"...it is appointed unto men once to die...."_

[@emesass5959]

​@@gerrymallon5219No, the Bible tells us what happens to us when we die Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10.

[@2phreshkru]

How can you be immediately in the presence of God when you die if the bible says we sleep and when Jesus comes he will raise the believers in the sky and the dead will raise. Also eternal life is for believers who are born of spirit and water. Sinners will die the second death

[@TheBibleSays]

To be honest I think they are trying to play on the wishful thinking of uninformed viewers. You're right: when we die our consciousness stops and we know nothing until we are resurrected. There are a couple "reasons" for their idea that we meet Jesus immediately upon death. 1.) Luke 23:43 is partly at fault, giving the idea we're in paradise the same day we die. The verse is incorrectly translated: there were no commas in the original texts. Translators added all the commas.The KJV says: ⚫ “And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” Here’s two translations with no comma directly before or after “today”: ⚫ Jesus replied, “I promise you today you will be with me in paradise.” (FBV, Free Bible Version) ⚫ “Amen, I say to thee to-day that with me thou shalt be in the Garden of Eden.” (F. C. Burkitt, The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels, Vol. I, Cambridge, Check some other Bibles, you’ll find a comma placed correctly: after “today.” Immediately any suggestion that He was in paradise the same day disappears: ⚫ And Jesus said to him, “Truly, I tell you today, you shall be with Me in paradise.” (The Holy Bible In Its Original Order) ⚫ And יהושע said to him, “Truly, I say to you today, you shall be with Me in paradise.” (The Scriptures 2009) Was Jesus in paradise the same day? No: He was in the tomb, for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40). Jesus did not even ascend to the Father until after His resurrection. Outside His tomb He spoke to Mary: ⚫ “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17) 2.) Some will ask “Didn’t Jesus’ spirit go to the Father when He died? Since His spirit went to the Father, wasn’t His spirit in paradise, even if His body went to the tomb?” By that line of reasoning people jump to the idea their "spirit" goes to heaven immediately upon death. Let’s be clear about what the “spirit” is: it’s the breath of life, the same breath of life God gave Adam. Man became a living soul, a living being, when he received the breath of life - into his body though his nostrils - from God: ⚫ “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7) The only thing that floats out of us when we die is the breath of life we’ve received from God. Notice the following verses; the breath of life is the “spirit” of God: ⚫ “All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;” (Job 27:3) ⚫ “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:7, describing death when no longer breathing) ⚫ “His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psalm 146:4. At death our breathing stops and our “thoughts perish”: our consciousness stops.) ⚫ “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:26) “Spirit” in James 2:26 is from the Greek word πνεῦμα “pneuma” defined (in Strong’s Definition) as: a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze. (Eg., today we have pneumatic - air powered - tools.) Without breathing, the body dies. ⚫ “And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59) “Spirit” is from the same Greek word πνεῦμα “pneuma.” Stephen was calling on the Lord to receive back the breath of life, not some sort of immortal soul. ⚫ “And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ Having said this, He breathed His last.” (Luke 23:46, NKJV) “Spirit” in this verse is from the same Greek word πνεῦμα “pneuma”; Jesus was returning his breath of life to the Father. “Breathed his last” is from the Greek word ἐκπνέω “ekpneo.” It’s the Greek words ἐκ and πνέω assembled into one new word. “Ek” means out, “pneo” means blow or breathe. Jesus breathed out his last breath and died. Regrettably the KJV renders ἐκπνέω as “gave up the ghost” instead of “breathed his last” in that verse (and in Mark 15:37 and 39): ⚫ “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” (Luke 23:46, KJV) “Ghost” misleads many into wrong conclusions, for example, that Jesus was letting go of an immortal soul. Most other common Bibles render ἐκπνέω as “breathed His last” rather than “gave up the ghost.” Here’s a couple more examples: ⚫ “Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.” (NIV) ⚫ “Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.” (RSV) Jesus was not somehow in paradise the same day He died. When He gave His spirit to the Father, He was returning His breath of life. All the ideas about Jesus going to hell and preaching to spirits in prison after His death, and gathering captives to take to heaven with Him are out of line. And He was not in paradise in any way, shape or form during the three days and three nights He was in His tomb. He was dead. He said so later on (Rev 1:18).

[@2phreshkru]

@@TheBibleSays wow this is awesome! Thank you! I am saving this. I have learned some of things you are showing here but havenet seen all the scripture you posted. Thanks for sharing, i love learning about what Gods word really says vs what we wish or think it says.

[@TheBibleSays]

@@2phreshkru Here's more on the topic "Where do we go when we die?" Where do the dead go? They go to the grave, and there they stay - "asleep" in death, knowing nothing - until they are resurrected: ⚫ "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:2) ⚫ "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (Jesus in John 5:28,29) After your last breath, you go to the earth, your grave, and your "thoughts perish" - your consciousness stops - until you're resurrected. ⚫ "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." (Psalm 146:4) While dead, we know nothing: ⚫ "For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten." (Ecclesiastes 9:5) The apostle Paul described the resurrection (at Jesus' return) of "the dead in Christ" - those who "sleep in Jesus" - in 1 Corinthians 15:50-54 and here in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17: ⚫ "But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:13-17) While we are dead our consciousness has stopped. We are unaware, and we do not experience the passage of time. We are "asleep" in death. Paul understood that after his death *_the very next thing he'd know_* would be that he had been resurrected and was rising to meet Jesus (1 Thess 4:16,17). It would *_seem like no time had passed since his last conscious moment at death._* That's why Paul wrote: ⚫ "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:" (Philippians 1:23) ⚫ "We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." (2 Corinthians 5:8) Was Paul a hypocrite, saying he would be with Christ the moment he died . . . but telling the Thessalonians they wouldn't meet Christ after their resurrection? Of course not. Paul hoped for the same resurrection he told the Thessalonians about: ⚫ "That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead." (Philippians 3:10,11) ====== So where does the idea that we meet Jesus immediately upon death come from? 1.) Some translations of Luke 23:43 are at fault, giving the idea we're in paradise the same day we die. There were no commas in the original texts. Translators added all the commas.The KJV says: ⚫ “And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” Now here are two translations with no comma directly before or after “today”: ⚫ Jesus replied, “I promise you today you will be with me in paradise.” (FBV, Free Bible Version) ⚫ “Amen, I say to thee to-day that with me thou shalt be in the Garden of Eden.” (F. C. Burkitt, The Curetonian Version of the Four Gospels, Vol. I, Cambridge) Check some other Bibles, you’ll find a comma placed correctly: after “today.” Immediately any suggestion that He was in paradise the same day disappears: ⚫ And Jesus said to him, “Truly, I tell you today, you shall be with Me in paradise.” (The Holy Bible In Its Original Order) ⚫ And יהושע said to him, “Truly, I say to you today, you shall be with Me in paradise.” (The Scriptures 2009) Was Jesus in paradise the same day? No: He was in the tomb, for three days and three nights (Matthew 12:40). Jesus did not even ascend to the Father until after His resurrection. Outside His tomb He spoke to Mary: ⚫ “Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.” (John 20:17) 2.) Some will ask “Didn’t Jesus’ spirit go to the Father when He died? Since His spirit went to the Father, wasn’t His spirit in paradise, even if His body went to the tomb?” By that line of reasoning people jump to the idea their "spirit" goes to heaven/paradise and they're immediately in Jesus' presence upon death. Let’s be clear about what the “spirit” is: it’s the breath of life, the same breath of life God gave Adam. Man became a living soul, a living being, when he received the breath of life - into his body though his nostrils - from God: ⚫ “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul” (Genesis 2:7) The only thing that floats out of us when we die is the breath of life we’ve received from God. Notice the following verses; the breath of life is the “spirit” of God: ⚫ “All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;” (Job 27:3) ⚫ “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.” (Ecclesiastes 12:7, describing death when no longer breathing) ⚫ “His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.” (Psalm 146:4. At death our breathing stops and our “thoughts perish”: our consciousness stops.) ⚫ “For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.” (James 2:26) “Spirit” in James 2:26 is from the Greek word πνεῦμα “pneuma” defined (in Strong’s Definition) as: a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze. (Eg., today we have pneumatic - air powered - tools.) Without breathing, the body dies. ⚫ “And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.” (Acts 7:59) “Spirit” is from the same Greek word πνεῦμα “pneuma.” Stephen was calling on the Lord to receive back the breath of life, not some sort of immortal soul. ⚫ “And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, ‘into Your hands I commit My spirit.’ Having said this, He breathed His last.” (Luke 23:46, NKJV) “Spirit” in this verse is from the same Greek word πνεῦμα “pneuma”; Jesus was returning his breath of life to the Father. “Breathed his last” is from the Greek word ἐκπνέω “ekpneo.” It’s the Greek words ἐκ and πνέω assembled into one new word. “Ek” means out, “pneo” means blow or breathe. Jesus breathed out his last breath and died. Regrettably the KJV renders ἐκπνέω as “gave up the ghost” instead of “breathed his last” in that verse (and in Mark 15:37 and 39): ⚫ “And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.” (Luke 23:46, KJV) “Ghost” misleads many into wrong conclusions, for example, that Jesus was letting go of an immortal soul. Most other common Bibles render ἐκπνέω as “breathed His last” rather than “gave up the ghost.” Here’s a couple more examples: ⚫ “Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.” When he had said this, he breathed his last.” (NIV) ⚫ “Then Jesus, crying with a loud voice, said, “Father, into thy hands I commit my spirit!” And having said this he breathed his last.” (RSV) Jesus was not somehow in paradise the same day He died. When He returned His "spirit" to the Father, He was returning His physical breath of life. Jesus was not in paradise in any way, shape or form during the three days and three nights He was in His tomb. He was dead. He said so later on: ⚫ "I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death." (Revelation 1:18)

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Please share with other people my brief video. Thanks much!

[@romanianisraeli]

I as so excited about dying, i have been praying to Jesus to take me home for decades, i can not wait to go to heaven. i have been fanaticizing about my funeral, casket and hearse for decades.

[@aag7114]

Wth

[@100anti]

what if you go to hell..think your going to a good place

[@PettyIsMyMiddleName]

@@aag7114 😂 I’m not sure why I laughed so hard at your “wth “ 😂

[@aag7114]

@@PettyIsMyMiddleName lol

[@dhenderson1810]

You have psychological problems.

[@jasonvon8115]

Are we really born just to die?

[@tamidabrockington1708]

No, we can live again...IN CHRIST!! HE is the Way, the Truth and the Life! We will only 'live-again' if we accept Him...otherwise...yes, you will die and stay dead............

[@ripcord8738]

No. That wasn't the plan(Gen.1:28) but that's about to change.(Matt.24:3-14;Psalm 37:9,11,29;Matt.5:5;Isaiah 11:6-9)

[@alexiabowen4035]

How can we be judged on judgement day if ppl are already be in heaven? That would mean that the dead were already judged. This is false doctrine about going to heaven. The Bible talks about how only Satan desired to go to heaven so u have the same desire of Satan. Read the Bible for yourselves the Bible also says the dead know nothing👀

[@cloverluvvv]

I know right. I’m so confused

[@bigpoppa12311]

Lol so Satan had the desire to be with Christ?

[@alexiabowen4035]

@@bigpoppa12311 I mean he is and was a cherub angel in heaven n was kicked out.. it not so much he wants to b with Jesus but he wants to b like God .. which is the point of him being cast to the earth ( n the only thing funny is that most of the world believes the kingdom is gonna be in heaven when the Bible points out plenty of times that it is not). “How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit (Isaiah 14:12-15).

[@alexiabowen4035]

@@cloverluvvv don’t be confused sister... the Bible also teaches the majority of the world will b deceived with false doctrine. It’s simply a matter of working out your own salvation and reading for yourself

[@bigpoppa12311]

@@alexiabowen4035 I get what you are saying, the only reason I ask is because in the video they speak of being with the Lord after death, correct me if I’m wrong but they don’t say heaven. So in other words I think maybe you are talking about something other than being reunited with our Lord and Saviour when we pass from the Earth. Forgive me if I am wrong that is just what I perceive. Everything else you are saying is true, I just believe they are two different things :)

[@marylamb6063]

"To be absent from the body and to be present in the Lord" is not good hermeneutics. Paul is not mentioning an intermediate state. Acts 2:29, 34: “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day… For David DID NOT ASCEND TO THE HEAVENS.” We will not be with the Lord the moment we die. We will be with him when we are all together, the entire Body of Christ, and meet him together in the air.

[@alfredsmith6780]

Am I dead and in hell? Would I know if I were in hell?

[@danberres2133]

so much more to ask. what about the nonbeliever where is he? presents of God or not?

[@wqnc]

Why is it that the traditional answer to this question is always 2 Cor 5.8 Absent from the body and present with the Lord , just these choice words and there is your answer . But is not that simple , people ignore the context and are not much interested in the rest of the scriptures. What surprises me is that the chapter before 2 Cor 4.14 , Paul is speaking about the resurrection and then in chapter 5: 1 he starts explaining that if our body is destroyed like his, was when he died decapitated or whenever we die , we will receive a transformed body at the resurrection NOT immediately after we we die since it is established that this will occur at the second coming. He says in verse 2 how they desire to be clothed with the habitation that is from heaven. But notice that to be clothed or to received your new transformed body the recipient will be dead and then resurrected . To illustrate , the word naked is used. Notice that he says NOT because we want to be UNCLOTHED. .... Nobody is desiring to be DEAD here. Salm 115.17 the DEAD do NOT praise the Lord. God is not the God of the DEAD but of the living Verse 4 confirms specifically that he wants be be CLOTHED , that MORTALITY ....may be swallowed up by LIFE. He definitely and specifically has NO desires to DIED and as a DEAD man go directly to the presence of the Lord . He wants MORTALITY to be swallowed by LIFE and this is not going to happen any other way but in the resurrection. God revealed to him everything related to this subject and his hope was in the resurrection of the dead Verse 5 God has prepared this very thing and has given the spirit as guarantee. It doesn't matter how long they will sleep in the dust of the ground he is sure they will be resurrected . Daniel 12.13 for you shall REST and shall ARISE to your inheritance. Verse 6...... we are confident that while we are at home in the body , we are absent from the Lord. But he is coming and he will transform our bodies and will give us eternal life at his coming Verse 8...... But rather to be absent from the body .....and to be absent from the body will have to be swallowed by life and transformed to be present with the Lord when he will clothe you with tour new habitation that comes from above. 1Cor 15.40 there are celestial bodies , and terrestrial bodies . 1 Cor 15.44 there is a natural body and a spiritual body. 1 Cor 15.46 however the SPIRITUAL is not first, but the natural . Man only have ONE body , is one per customer . You dont have a spiritual body assigned to you so you can jump out of your physical body at death and be PRESENT with the Lord . 1 Cor 15.32 If the dead do not rise , let us eat and drink and for tomorrow we die. Is impossible to believe that Paul wrote this scripture and at the same time his desire was to die and be with the Lord . If he really believe that in DEATH he will be able to be with The Lord who cares is there is no resurrection or if there is one . Death is the last enemy that will be destroyed , definitely NOT your best friend who is holding your ticket at the door to enter eternity. You die and you will rise for eternal life or eternal death. There are not waiting rooms in between or glorified new and improved versions of purgatory.

[@beemrmem3]

It sounds like they’re selling hope, instead of what is biblical. Biblically, you will be in the conscience of God, which means he will not forget about you, and you will rise again judgment day.

[@dk3062]

Ok so do we leave heaven to be judged at the second coming?

[@tamidabrockington1708]

This is a GOOD QUESTION!! Keep following Scripture and actually what it teaches and NOT the voice of men!!!

[@christopherskipp1525]

Our Father is the God of the living not the dead -- acording to our High Priest. So what do mean by the "intermediate state?"

[@hooh1644]

Perhaps the next physical body rather than as a soul before then?

[@christopherskipp1525]

@@hooh1644 What text or texts would support your supposition that believers "asleep" in Christ are anything but disembodied spirits except and until the resurrection?

[@kingkazerous80x58]

The living once you recreate yourself. You're not dead in spirit only in flesh. God is God of those who have the holy spirit. Those who don't, well they have a opportunity to repentance.

[@kingkazerous80x58]

You ask God for the holy spirit as he gives directions on how to find a relationship. Jesus guides us back to God Yaweh

[@jeromedurant3523]

Enoch was one of the stories that was taken from the Bible Real Talk check it out

[@RitaSausa-k3z]

How do explain 1Thes 4: 15-17

[@donnaobrien7790]

The resurrection of Lazarus and Jesus Christ would indicate that our soul and our spirit stay with our body. If Lazarus soul left and went into heaven to be with the Lord, that makes no sense are we saying that all of the people that died and went to sleep in the Old Testament are in heaven? when it clearly states that they’re sleeping… I know we all want comfort, but we should stick to the biblical text. We will be with the Lord when he comes For us in the resurrection before the great tribulation.

[@jeromedurant3523]

Read The Book of Enoch good book it is so deep death

[@brendaandrade6753]

Amen 🙏🏼

[@Decision30]

This is teaching is ABSOLUTELY FALSE. Read Scripture correctly and extensively my dear pastor brothers and share comfort with others in Truth according to the Holy WORD. The Breath of Life goes back to God when we die and the body returns to ground/earth/dust. Creation . . . Genesis 2:7 7. Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being, a living soul. In Death . . . Ecclesiastes 12:7 7. and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit (breath of life) returns to God who gave it. Death. . . Ecclesiastes 9:4-6 4. Anyone who is among the living has hope, even a live dog is better off than a dead lion! 5. For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they have no further reward, and even their name is forgotten. 6. Their love, their hate and their jealousy have long since vanished; never again will they have a part in anything that happens under the sun. Not in Heaven . . . Even the many Patriarchs & Pillars of our Faith are NOT in Heaven. They await the final resurrection. Hebrews 11:39-40 39. These were all commended for their faith, yet none of them received what had been promised, 40. since God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

[@IsaacNussbaum]

Yes! Yes! Yes! That's good preachin' right there.

[@juhjermee]

The Phil. 1 passage doesn’t really answer the question of “the intermediary state” as Mr. Duncan calls it. The passage is quite meta and doesn’t address particulars such as whether the soul is immediately recipient of the beatific vision, though the gentlemen clearly believe that’s what happens. Fact is the Bible doesn’t offer such particular instruction. Reasons for believing in an immediate passage into the presence of God are extra biblical, which isn’t inherently bad but for the sola scriptura Protestant it is problematic to his interpretative structure. In any case thanks for the video.

[@christopherskipp1525]

I must respectfully disagree with you. You are arguing using Roman Catholic jargon. This church's theology is riddled with error; would it be fair to say that you are arguing for another example of these?

[@epouseglorieusedechrist8329]

If we die and are immediately with God, why do we need ressurection ? What is said is extra biblical.

[@TherealTFfromKingston]

@@epouseglorieusedechrist8329 from what the Bible says, the resurrection has to do with our actual bodies. Jesus’ death is a good example of this because he died physical death and later was resurrected physically from the dead. Scripture does state that born-again believers will receive the same such resurrection at Christ’s return. This idea of sleep I’ve come to understand has more to do that we’ve died to sin as believers. The Bible cannot attach the same stigma of “sin and death” to the believer once we’ve physically passed away. It’s quite literally a “rest in peace” for the believing Christians since the Bible states we’ve already “died” to sin at our moment of salvation. In this way, there’s no more death, but life eternally. So, our physical bodies are at rest in the graves, cremation, etc. until Christ’s return in glory.

[@ralphgoreham3516]

correct

[@mrlnsfrt]

@@TherealTFfromKingston So you're saying that we are immortal in and of ourselves? at least our soul is? that sounds similar to what the serpent told Eve in Genesis 3:4 "you will not surely die" imagine the serpent saying, "actually I'm giving you a way to escape physical existence and be with God! Only your body will die then your soul will be free!" This interpretation of an eternal soul trapped in a physical body seems like a troubling view that could lead to the view that death is actually a way to the presence of God. The way I see the Bible teaches that Jesus has to come again so that we can be together. John 14:1-4

[@Mad-genius]

Ancient traditions, not the Bible dictate if cremation is sinful or not. The Bible does speak of the body just being a temporary vessel and you have no use for it when its soul is removed. A decomposed body is really no different than ashes. To believe a body needs to be intact in my opinion is ludicrous.Its also a fallacy to believe anybody's soul is in heaven or hell right now. Nobody has been judged yet.

[@lConfusedCatl]

Not to be mean, but I don't understand how it's fair that a devoted christian and a christian that only believes but doesn't pray and follow other rules, get to go to heaven the same way and see christ right after they die. How is that fair? Like is there different processes according to how good of a christian you are? Or does everyone just just automatically go to heaven and be with christ if they do the bare minimum (which is believing in christ)? Please enlighten me as to how it works in your religion (i'm really just curious).