Jehovah's Witnesses: How Their Beliefs Clash With Christianity

[@delemaitreful]

Another great video Seth, dealt with in a loving and kindly fashion. On a personal level, I chose to get re-baptised when I left the WT around twenty years ago and became a Christian. I also went through the old JW baptism questions and renounced each statement out loud in prayer because I came to realise that I had, in essence, swore allegiance to the WT in ‘accepting that my baptism identifies me as one of JW’s in association with the organisation’. This was a personal decision but I would advise anyone who has left and become a Christian to renounce and repent of the many untruths perpetuated by the WT. I have seen so many lives driven to ruin by that organisation; I do believe that we can bring many tribulations upon ourselves (Derek Prince would say curses) in misleading both ourselves and others by corrupting the Word of Our Lord. That comes with a heavy price indeed!

[@sarahstevens3050]

First! So excited you’re finally covering JW’s. Looking forward to learning!

[@theologywithseth]

Thank you for watching. More to come!

[@Michael-kd1ud]

My entire family are jehovahs witnesses, I was raised in the cult. This was not only a very accurate account of their beliefs and and doctrines, but it was presented in a loving manner which I respect. These people are almost impossible to witness to, and if the Holy Spirit does not move them dynamite won’t. They are completely brainwashed and controlled. So pray for them, great job on the video. Hope to see more of your content

[@theologywithseth]

Thank you for your kind words. I'll definitely be praying for your family. Maybe some of my other videos in my JW series can be of some use! God bless

[@Forgan_Mreeman]

Thanks for making this video. I have a question, at 12:00 I see you have 5 bullet points but only show two sources. where did you find the other info?

[@theologywithseth]

Hi again! It's a pretty standard teaching from the Watchtower that after Jesus returned in 1914, he began inspecting Christianity to see who was sincerely following him and who wasn't. They draw a parallel between Jesus's first coming and how 3.5 years after his baptism, he cleansed the Temple in Jerusalem. So they say, 3.5 years after 1914, he cleansed the "temple" of Christendom, finding only the Watchtower to have proven faithful. Everything below can be found on their online library and I'll cite the url's for you. "Jesus was baptized and anointed as King-Designate at the Jordan River about October 29 C.E. Three and a half years later, in 33 C.E., he came to Jerusalem’s temple and threw out those who were making it a cave of robbers. There appears to be a parallel to this in the three-and-a-half-year period from Jesus’ ‘sitting down on his glorious throne’ in the heavens in October 1914 until his coming to inspect professed Christians as judgment began with the house of God." (wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101988006) "Let Christendom deny that 1918 is the date of the Lord Jehovah’s sudden coming to his spiritual temple as the God of judgment, accompanied by his Angel of the covenant Jesus Christ. Nonetheless, the time of judgment is here upon all who claim to be God’s house, whether truthfully so or falsely, and judgment has been in progress since the spring of 1918 onward... Christendom cannot accept the real Christ in his kingly, priestly role today since the Kingdom’s birth in 1914... But who is it that has been able to face this day of his coming to the temple with his covenant Angel and to endure it? It is those who have sincerely been seeking Jehovah." (wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1955847?q=1918&p=par) Then, as far as JW's referring to Christianity as "Babylon the Great", there are many references I could cite, but one of their articles details how Christianity became the great harlot of Revelation by the Fourth Century. "The truth is that by that time an apostate form of Christianity had joined the pagan religious organizations of the Roman Empire as members of Babylon the Great." (wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2016843) I hope that helps!

[@Forgan_Mreeman]

@@theologywithseth thank you!

[@bgslayer4529]

Great overview Seth. I've always found it interesting how cults always do something weird with the cross- either straight-up denying it like the JW's do, or by insisting that the *real* Atonement happens elsewhere like the Mormons believe. It all goes back to 1 Corinthians 1:18- For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God."

[@theologywithseth]

That's a very keen observation! Thank you for sharing

[@marym9228]

I studied with them off & on for 50 years but never could bring myself to be baptized into the faith. Just what I learned from those studies was deep seeded within me & I believed they were the truth. It wasn't until one of their high ranking governing body members Raymond Franz, who wrote his book, crisis of conscience left the faith, did I realize they were anything but truthful & my eyes were opened to all the false beliefs they taught. If all witnesses could read his book, their eyes would also be opened.

[@theologywithseth]

Agreed! I'm glad you never officially joined. I hope the rest of my JW videos in this playlist are helpful to you!

[@watchtowerdefence571]

You actually believed what Ray Franz wrote? That was a very one sided book. He was disgruntled because he could not get his own way. Yes I have the book and have read it

[@marym9228]

@@watchtowerdefence571 Yes I believe him. He pointed out too many things in the Bible that they have changed, added to, taken away or altered to suit their beliefs. Wake up, get yourself a real bible & read the real "truth".

[@watchtowerdefence571]

@@marym9228I have and use and compare over 50 different Bibles and I have been studying the languages that the Bibe was written and JWs have NOT in any way taken away or added to the Bible to suit our beliefs. Compare the Bible you use with the ancient languages and examine the grammar of those languages and then please to try tell me where the NWT has manipulated any text.

[@ravikeller9626]

@@watchtowerdefence571you should watch some of the other videos in this playlist. I think you’d be particularly interested in the video exposing the false prophecies of the Governing Body, as well as the video showing the big flaws in the New World Translation.

[@phaedragalloway4544]

Thanks Seth for this so we will know better more about those JW's who we may come into contact with. Looking forward to the next video's in this series! The real Jesus said in John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." So thankful for Jesus and for 1 John 5:13 - "I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life."

[@theologywithseth]

Thank you for watching!

[@trilithon108]

Founder Charles Taze Russell had a big beard. When he passed, Rutherford, the new guy, banned beards. For over a hundred years you could not wear one. Recently, they said Jehovah is now OK with beards, and many are sporting the new fashion 👌

[@theologywithseth]

Very interesting! I remember Chris Stuckmann (former JW, now famous KZbinr) mentioning how irritated he was that Jesus was allowed to have a beard but he wasn't. Thanks for sharing!

[@ileneyadegari8055]

Very accurate account. I studied with the witnesses for 10 years off and on it started in high school because my friend was a witness. I was never good enough to for them because I rarely went to the meetings and never measured up to their standards.Thank God because it has taken years to undue the damage. I am now a Christian and go to a Nondenominational Church. The grace message has always been hard for me because of all of the things the Witnesses drilled in me. I am happy to finally learn the truth.

[@theologywithseth]

Thank you for sharing that with me! I'm so very glad the Lord rescued you from the Watchtower and has helped you to see the Gospel of Grace. Blessings!

[@travisconover4762]

If you choose an easy religion, then it's probably not the right one. If the standards are high and the conduct is high and the worship demands effort, then you're probably in the right religion.

[@ravikeller9626]

@@travisconover4762In view of the fact that there are literally *hundreds* of religions with extremely high standards of morality and conduct, I’d say that’s not a very good metric for determining a religion’s truthfulness. In fact, if a particular religious group demands *too much* , that’s more than likely a sign you’re in a cult.

[@travisconover4762]

@ravikeller9626 the only standard JWs are under is bible laws and principles. We only worship the God of Moses, not man or man made laws. So we are not a cult. We are the farthest thang from a cult. JESUS NAME AMEN

[@an-ty8ym]

​@@travisconover4762 As a Christian, I'm saved by grace through faith in Jesus. If JWs don't worship Jesus as they worship God (Jn 5:23), how is a JW saved on Judgment Day?

[@georgebrown8312]

Thank you for exposing the erroneous beliefs of the Watchtower Society's cult. It is astounding how the Watchtower Society's doctrines clash with those of Jesus Christ and Christianity. I don't hate the current Jehovah's Witnesses, nor do I scorn former Jehovah's Witnesses. They have it hard enough without being scorned as "evil apostates" by those in their former congregations, and you're right when you said that they need our friendship and understanding love. However, it is disturbing and sad when current Jehovah's Witnesses have yet to wake up from the Watchtower Society's indoctrination, because it is hard to overcome. Keep up the good work of enlightening the Jehovah's Witnesses.

[@theologywithseth]

Thank you for watching! Glad it was helpful

[@peony2353]

As a former JW, I would say your video is pretty accurate on their beliefs. You definitely did your research. Although I’m agnostic, I thought it would be interesting to see someone else’s take on the religion and its doctrine which is why I decided to watch but I’m glad you also highlighted some of their worst beliefs which are the no blood doctrine and the disfellowshipping. I myself moved 19hrs away from my family when I woke up and realized it wasn’t the truth as they like the call it but I couldn’t express that out of fear of being shunned. 2 yrs later they still don’t know as I’m working towards that in therapy. I think highlighting these unloving practices that Watchtower has gaslighted their followers into believing are un loving and Christlike by someone who has never been a JW could help people realize they aren’t who they appear to be the quirky people who knock on your door. It’s nice it’s not just coming from a ExJW but someone on the outside. I’m only 18 min in but if you don’t touch on it they also have a issue with covering up child sexual abuse which comes from the top most everyday JWs don’t even know it’s a problem and that’s what woke me up. They were so critical of the Catholic Church and is no different. Also the way they treat domestic violence is harmful as well. Blaming the woman and you cannot remarry even in situations as that.

[@theologywithseth]

@peony2353 Hi there, I appreciate your comment. There's definitely an idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are just Christians who happen to be more strict on various things. But I definitely tried to show in the video that they're really better classified as a different religion altogether and some of their beliefs cause active harm to their congregants. I don't think I touched on the abuse, but that could definitely be an idea for a future video. Thank you for watching and I hope you'll be able to check out some of the other videos in my series! Side note, I know you said you're agnostic now, but I wanted to let you know I will be praying for your family for sure

[@peony2353]

@@theologywithseth Thank you. I personally consider them to be a cult or high control religious group similar to Mormons and seventh day Adventist who all came out of William Millers movement. This could also be another topic to explore in another video as I noticed you mentioned seventh day Adventist in this video. It’s a reason why those 3 have some similarities in their beliefs and structure. In fact in the subreddit for ExJw and Ex Mormons they call each other cult cousins lol. That’s could be another interesting topic and I hope you do explore the abuse a good place to start with that is the Australian Royal Commission and there is currently a grand jury investigation in Pennsylvania some arrest have been made. The elders book that has a lot of policies about this and disfellowshipping can also be found online as elders are required to follow this book and not the Bible when deciding to disfellowship someone. The exposure of who they are definitely helps puts pressure on them to make changes. Thank you although I am agnostic I appreciate the intent and sentiment behind prayer

[@newroman116]

Thanks again Seth. Have you had the chance as yet to do a video on The Great Crowd / 144 000?

[@theologywithseth]

Not yet! But it's definitely a topic I have every intention of covering so stay tuned. You should be able to find all my JW videos in a playlist on my channel if you want to binge what I've made about them so far!

[@b6983832]

It is very hard to evangelize JWs. When they understand they are speaking with somebody who is actually knowing the Christian doctrine, they will never come to your door again. I am a Catholic theologian, and this has happened to me a few times. They think speaking with people like us is dangerous. It might be, because we do know our arguments. Using verses from a wrong Bible is not an argument for a Catholic who is denying Sola Scriptura in the first place. Trying to show how JW organization was the Magisterium is pretty much doomed effort. No real Church in 2000 years, until Russell came up with his sect? Come on. JW are biblical literalists, but with their own version of the Scripture, which contains many modifications to accommodate the heresies they subscribe to. As a sect with Protestant roots (namely in Adventism), they keep Sola Scriptura, but to do that, they had to change the Scripture. The modern JW could be described as a neo-Arianist sect in their understanding of God.

[@theologywithseth]

I think you're spot on with your assessment there. JW's are Arian in their Christology and have made some very obvious changes to the Bible in order to support their theology in general. I'll be talking about some specific examples soon so I hope you stick around!

[@raymondperez1131]

The board of directors tell them what to believe or what they can do..if tomorrow JWs are told u can celebrate birthday they can do it,if tomorrow they are told to believe Jesus is God they will start worshipping Jesus..

[@theologywithseth]

Sadly, that's true. Their real allegiance is to the Watchtower, not the Bible. Thank you for watching!

[@alcedo_kf]

Theyve just been told they can now wear beards and even lighten up on how the treat disfellowshipped ones. Basically, even the consciences of JW's are controlled by their governing body.

[@raymondperez1131]

@@alcedo_kf yes I agree I just don't understand why members don't leave they are brainwashed..my daughter and her family are JWs and it's sad to see how they have changed..

[@traeharrold-beckham1905]

It's very telling how they keep talking about light because if the light in you is darkness how dark is that darkness 💔

[@theologywithseth]

Very true!

[@blairwilliamson5554]

Their ignorance of the scriptures is absolutely astounding.

[@alexanderseton]

8:27 onwards: The JWs claim that the resurrected Jesus was a spiritual invisible creature. All the words in this statement are offensively wrong. To begin with, Jesus is not a creature. He is the creator. And how did Peter and the other apostles, and over 500 people claim to have seen Jesus after the resurrection and also during his ascension to heaven? Hence, he wasn’t invisible. And whose body was Thomas asked to inspect to verify the bruises of the torture? A spirit has no physical injuries, but the resurrected Jesus did, implying that he had some sort of a physical body. And didn’t Jesus say that deceivers would come in his name, claiming that he had returned, and that he was to be found in the desert and in the inner rooms? Isn’t this literally what JWs claim that happened in 1914? Their main theological problem is that they haven’t decided if they are Christian, Jews, Adventist, or a twisted mixture thereafter. In brief, everything related to this sect is a deception against the scriptures

[@jestermoyo7248]

Mark 10v6 Mark 13v19, 20, God said to Yeshua's disciples they must listen to his son, by reading these we know that Jesus spoke of his God and Father as the creator, we also know that he created everything by his spoken word, Genesis 1, Hebrews 11v3, 2Peter 3v5, Acts 17v24 to 31, Nehemiah 9v5 to the end, there is more verse. MAY The only true God be praised and be exalted, and also give honor to his son.

[@victorlegret9036]

I like that you have baptisms in your church and that ou encourage others even kids to preach the gospel (good news). Bible tells about thousands of baptised. and describes the process fro hearing the good news for 1st time up to baptism of the person. Could you please show me in your bible: - that in order to get baptised the person has to get a title "unbaptised publisher" 1st? - that in order to get the "UP" title person has to study your publications, and pass an exam with 2 elders? - that after a person get the "UP" status, the person has to spend preaching door to door sever months, each month, and than can ask to be baptised? - that a PB after months of preaching needs to pass an exam with elders to be approved to get baptised? - that a christian baptism means to "to devote yourself to Jehovah"? - that a true christian baptism means to be baptised by Jehovahs Witnesses only? ...

[@allandahma4825]

I call the new world translation…. The new world damnation!!! A little fun fact… they legally couldn’t call their bible a “holy bible” because it’s changed so much and so many scriptures are added and taken out. That’s why they call it the holy scriptures. 💔💔🙏🙏🙏

[@theologywithseth]

Yeah, it's pretty concerning how much they've let their theological agenda impact their "translation". I actually made a video detailing some examples if you want to check it out! I'll drop a link below if you're interested kzbin.info/www/bejne/aISsl5ufptp1qrc

[@victorlegret9036]

Do you agree that Paul made "ministerial servants" (Deaconos) in congregations both from man and woman? Rom 16:1 Can you show me from your bible why a female is forbidden to be a "ministerial servant" in JWorg church?

[@TheresaStiffler]

Narcissists isolate their victims

[@zee.___moose941]

I just did a Jehovah's witness bible study lesson 15 . Titlled who is Jesus " and your so far off. They know he died and resurrected in human form I just did this yesterday 😂 why do people lie so hard? Jesus is my king and lord and savior but all I see is weird lies online

[@theologywithseth]

@zee.___moose941 Hi friend, I'm not sure what those particular JW's told you, but I can assure you, they adamantly teach that Jesus was *not* raised in human form, and was only resurrected as "an invisible spirit creature". That's a direct quote from their publication, "Let God Be True", p138. They also say, "We *deny* that He was raised in the flesh, and challenge any statement to that effect as being unscriptural" in Studies in the Scriptures, Vol 7 p57. If you still think I'm misrepresenting them, go to their official website, JW.org and read it for yourself right now on the link here: www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/jesus-body/ They have developed an entire arsenal of arguments trying to *disprove* the physical resurrection of Christ and I deal with them in detail in the video below. Please be careful friend. JW's can be very tricky and I don't want you or your loved ones to be misled on this eternally-significant topic. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYjKanqqYq2fqK8

[@vincent080888]

I love Jehovas Witnesses. Back in the day when it was still safe to knock on strangers' doors in RSA i used to love inviting them in for tea to talk about Jesus. Once a witness saw me walking to work, picked me up and gave me a lift. We spoke about Jesus the whole way there. I cant speak for Jesus but i really feel like he would've been okay with this. Show me any denomination or "non denomination" and I'll show you major flaws.

[@ileneyadegari8055]

The are a pure Cult

[@ravikeller9626]

100% agree

[@golddredgewater]

What they believe in is going to come true. Everything they believe in makes sense for the future of humans here on earth.

[@quotationpoints2049]

​@golddredgewater Cult like behavior, denying the nature of Jesus is abhorrent and a pure fabrication. Nothing here is true, and their nature is corrupt to the core.

[@RektMKV]

FYI be careful on how “hard” we evangelize to JWs. As a current PIMO I will tell you they will mark you down as DNC (Do Not Call) meaning they will not knock on your door. Avoiding interaction and possibly you actually talking to a member that is starting to think for themselves. So like mentioned in the video be loving and patient, but also do give em too much of the “TRUTH”

[@theologywithseth]

Yeah, that's a tough balance that you have to walk sometimes. Even accidentally using too much of their own terminology can sometimes scare them off because they'll assume you are an ex-JW, whom they're specifically prohibited from interacting with. My advice is to do your homework ahead of time, but also follow the Spirit's leadership in the moment. Thank you for watching!

[@RektMKV]

@FrankLee-gq8yc when you dont want your marriage to fall apart then you will understand PIMO.

[@RektMKV]

@FrankLee-gq8yc to be honest. There are no doubts. Just truly disagreements with how child abuse is handled. As a new father and someone that has been privy to the abuse of friends of mine it has soured me. And maybe also the new direction the GB is taking on something’s to just be more appealing to the “world” so no one or no one government can scrutinize them. It shows that there maybe something deeper going on. Like Aiken when he hid his intentions and what he did by burying the stolen goods from the spoils of war instead of dedicating it to YHWH like was commanded, judgement wasn’t withheld from the Israelites, but the GB won’t take responsibility for actions of what maybe a small minority or a majority of the leadership within their own ranks or the men that serve below them shows a wicked spirit. They rather change policies or play word games to make it seem like nothing is happening when in all actuality it is. I still put faith in God, as Jesus said, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.” Matthew 22:37-40 I try to lead my life by those principles because all other things morally right will follow if you try to apply that at least.

[@carlose4314]

Seventh Day Adventists also believe Jesus is Michael the archangel. Though they also accept the trinity. You should look up the Palmarian church because they have some wacky beliefs.

[@jasonspainhour4233]

I showed a new Jehovahs witness Matthew 24:36 and asked them so no one knows when Jesus is coming back? She agreed then I showed her revelations 1:7 and ask so every eye will see Jesus coming and every kindred will know? She agreed, then I told her well JW believes Jesus came back in 1916 but he came back invisibly and only JWs know this. She said I tricked her when all I did was get her to answer what the Bible says and she had no bias view about it cause she didn't know jws said that. JWs doctrination and brainwashing is a terrible thing.

[@joJo56976]

Bonjour, j’ai une question. Pourquoi la Bible dit-elle que l’âme est dans le sang? Est-ce que quelqu’un qui aurait reçu une greffe de la moelle osseuse aurait toujours son âme ou celle du donneur?

[@victorlegret9036]

Most of the 20 million attendees - 8 of JWs, are the family members of regular JWs, who are not JWs. It is very similar like when the atheist grand-children go with catholic grandma to church listen to singing of the Midnight mass during Xmas. It is exactly like this.

[@Maxime-uo2iv]

15:25 just a lil FYI, if you were baptised in a different church and want to be baptised as a JW, they will require that you contact your previous church and get that old baptised canceled 1rst before they baptised you.

[@theologywithseth]

Seriously? I didn't know that! I thought you'd just have to override it so-to-speak by getting a JW baptism. That's wild!

[@shawnamoen5026]

I wish i could go back andbstay studying with them, with the knowledge i have now

[@theologywithseth]

You still can! It's never too late to strike up a conversation with them and share what you've learned since

[@MrZeuqsav]

Jesus had prepared a necklace with millstone pendant for those who misleads the one of the least one, plus a free yatchride into the deepest ocean, He also said, the word that i have spoken will judge everyone, @John,12:44-48,

[@HenriettaMRiley]

Short answer. Nope.

[@geraldsutton9981]

Beliefs clash with Christianity.....???? How about christianity clashing with the bible....???? According to Alexander Hislop, a 19-century minister from Scotland, December 25 was actually the birthday of the man god Tammuz. The bastard child of Nimrod's wife who claimed Tammuz was the reincarnation of Nimrod. According to Hislop, this woman started birthday celebrating. (see the book "Two Babylons") This man (Hislop) did extensive research into the catholic religion and his book is full of foot notes, telling us just where he got his information.

[@robert48044]

Isnt there argument that Jesus watched God create the Earth. So one part of the trinity is watching themselves? Thats how I took the argument. Jesus always was even before the human version was born. Edit: I took talking to one that we wait for the dragon to be slain then the follower's rebuild paradise/eden. That's why we don't go to heaven

[@mmltpb14]

Not exactly. They say God created Jesus and then Jesus created everything based on Gods design, so it all falls back on God. They misinterpret proverbs 8 as “Jesus was there” instead of reading the chapter in context. Also, I don’t think they know or register Isaiah 44:24 where God said he made heaven and earth alone. It’s just cherry picking at its finest

[@victorlegret9036]

The cross thing might be another think that JWs have a point. Nowhere in the bible we read that 1st century christians used cross as a symbol of anything and of any importance for them. Instead we see how non idolatrous they were. So I do not agree with the JWs stand on being dogmatic if Jesus was on cross or stake and insisting it was a stake. Both was wildly used in the Roman Empire. In the same was The mainstream christianity is over dogmatic on isistinc it was a cross, as it is has grown into a major no.1 symbol being equal to idolatry. And in that sense, the interior of an Islamic mosque is closer to 1st century christianity than today's Catholic Church. To be fair, I have to admit, that a lot of non-catholic churches in USA looks very good too, in my defence, I am an European guy, so 99% of churches here are catholics.

[@leejohnson6328]

are you here saying no to the God of Jesus? Romans 15:6

[@alcedo_kf]

Some research on the origins of the teaching of the immortality of the soul takes us to the Greek philosophers of around 300 BC. I do believe Christianity has been polluted by such philosophers and most Christians are unaware. The late David Pawson, a preacher from the UK, acknowledged this pollution of Christianity.

[@leejohnson6328]

are you here to say no to whites first thinking? 2 Corinthians 5:16 Romans 8:13

[@victorlegret9036]

As an exJW born in and being 40ys locked there I have to bow to your research. Most of never JWs are not any close to you knowledge about this cult. When you listed the points how to be a loyal JW, I would argue the list could much longer, but there are two major ones: 1. Always obey all and any commands for the Governing body. 2. Never ever question any GB's teaching, compare with bible, never share your doubts with anyone, even your family, friends or congregation. These two foundation blocks are all of it. Both are also ones of major definitions of a cult. If you breach any of those two, your are gone, and everyone including your closest family members have to shun you until death.

[@leeBoB4257]

Just to correct you the word's LORD or Lord are Not God's Jesus or Man's name but it's used as a TITLE.

[@user-ys1jr3et9i]

As a young boy who loved the bible and was very observent. Of all the people around me growing up,,and there were many families from different religions,, Jehovah's Witnesses were the best as to real Christian. Behavior and love ,,that was and still is my observation, ,,i never had an ax to grind just my observation,

[@theologywithseth]

They can certainly be kind and loving! But so can atheists, Muslims, Mormons, and of course, Evangelical Christians. That's not necessarily a reflection of how correct their theology is. The question you always have to go back to is, "What does the Bible say?" And sadly, many of Jehovah's Witnesses beliefs contradict what the Bible says. So much so, that they eventually had to create their own Bible and change the wording to reduce the conflicts between the text and their teachings.

[@alcedo_kf]

Once you look beyond the tightly orchestrated shop front of watchtower, and dig somewhat, their true colours become clear. I have discovered so much about watchtower/JW's since I removed the watchtower filters from my eyes. Initially, it was a great shock, but soon after I realised that men cannot stop what God has planned through Jesus Christ. The principle behind Romans 3:3+4 was a big help to me.

[@victorlegret9036]

As an exJW and currently an amateur bible scholar I have to admit that if there is one thing JWs are right, it is that the gods name YHWH should stated in every precise bible. Surely not Jehovah. But when a translator is not able to translate a name into new language, it shold stay untranslated. For example of I will translate a slovanic form of name Petr in to English I will go like Peter. Easy. But if there is a name that has not a relevant word in the new language, than it should stay as it is, not replaced. If will translate your name form English text, you will not expect me to go with "a KZbinr" but to keep your name Seth. Also the Old Testament is clear how god honors his name, so is clear how ancient Israelites did it too. In writings, songs - psalms etc. So I would say in the same way JWs massively changed the New testament, to make it fit their Old testament view of a god (added Jehovah to over 200 places where the text speaks about Jesus), Major Christian denominations altered the Old Testament to make it more in line with their New testament view of a god and eliminated from Old Testament a word that was the most important one for Israelites and therefore written in Old Testament sever thousands times. So I would say they have "a different god" like they have invented some new god. I would say, that more precise would be, They have stuck with the Old Testament view of a God. Therefore and for many other reasons, they are called "Old Testament based Religion"

[@cipmaster1]

I'll have to disagree with the part of God only creating one thing, that is not a correct interpretation of what JWs believe. The Michael part is weird but the rest is just the same as what all christians believe based on John 1:3 “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.” So God made everything through him, not that he made Jesus and Jesus made everything else.

[@theologywithseth]

Hi there! That's true- Jehovah created through Michael. However, Michael himself was the only thing Jehovah made directly (as in, without using a middle-man). I think that's what I was getting at. Since Christians don't believe Jesus was created at all, that point serves as a significant theological difference between us. Thanks for watching!

[@Scott-t2p]

The Son was made of a woman

[@Scott-t2p]

@@theologywithseth the only created god

[@ericbulman1752]

Without Jesus nothing was made that was made .

[@Scott-t2p]

@@ericbulman1752 Jesus is the reason for creation

[@stevenwebb6253]

Please read my reply.

[@stevenwebb6253]

Sorry, Jesus isn’t God, nor equal to God. He called our God and Father his God and Father at John 20:17. See also: 1 Corinthians 8:4-6 4 Now concerning the eating of food offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world and that there is no God but one. 5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him. And…… John 17:3 “This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.” The only true God…..

[@theologywithseth]

Hi there! I think you'd be extremely interested in my video that I made a few weeks back. I actually answer all those verses you mentioned! Check it out and you'll see that those are all compatible with Trinitarianism. Link below... kzbin.info/www/bejne/h3Wmf3eXlsyirpI

[@stevenwebb6253]

I watched your video. It looks like you try to reason that Jesus has a God only when he’s a human. But he also calls our God his God when he is in heaven. Rev 3:12 “The one who conquers-I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.”

[@theologywithseth]

@stevenwebb6253 Hi again Steven! Thank you for checking it out. Christians also believe Jesus is *still* a human even today. Unlike the Watchtower, we don't believe the Incarnation ever ended. He will be truly God and truly man for all eternity, which means it's still appropriate for him to address The Father as "his God" even in Heaven!

[@stevenwebb6253]

First off, thank you for being open to discussion. I’m not trying to convince you, I’m just sharing scriptures and a different perspective. I’m sure you’re familiar with this scripture, 2 Timothy 3:16 “All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness.” Please read: 1 Peter 3:18 “For Christ died once for all time for sins, a righteous person for unrighteous ones, in order to lead you to God. He was put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit.” 1 Timothy 3:16 “Indeed, the sacred secret of this godly devotion is admittedly great: ‘He was made manifest in flesh, was declared righteous in spirit, appeared to angels, was preached about among nations, was believed upon in the world, was received up in glory.’” 1 Corinthians 15:50 “But I tell you this, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit God’s Kingdom, nor does corruption inherit incorruption.” What is obvious to me might not be obvious to others. Jesus human body did not go to heaven. After he was resurrected, Mary didn’t recognize him until he spoke. (John 20:14-16) He obviously looked different, being he had a different body, a spiritual body if I may. So the question is, if that is the case, where did his physical, human body go? No one really knows. But there may be a clue with Moses. For some reason the Devil was interested in Moses’ body. Jude 9 “But when Miʹcha·el the archangel had a difference with the Devil and was disputing about Moses’ body, he did not dare to bring a judgment against him in abusive terms, but said: “May Jehovah rebuke you.”” I’m sure that Jehovah, thru Miʹcha·el, disposed of Moses’ body so that the Devil would not have access to it. Might the same thing have happened to Jesus’ physical body, especially after knowing that flesh cannot go to heaven? (1 Corinthians 15:50, quoted above)

[@MrZeuqsav]

Jw's, don't vote, christians vote, who have the right to claim Jesus is our King? Or Jesus is our Lord?

[@victorlegret9036]

1st, let me thank you for your ending words, labelling JWs as victims trapped in a cult. Most of rank & file JWs (not the hierarchy) are very kind people. Even your motivations to help them are a bit different than me (I am agnostic) I admire your zeal to help them get free. But please, accept advice from the exJW community. I understand that most of the christians and especially evangelicals believe that the best way to wake up a cultist it to preach the true gospel. And to argument about Trinity, Divinity of Jesus etc... you know what I mean. Please do not. Why? 1st, It is like stealing their most precious friend . Most of them really have a relationship with a god called Jehovah. Like you do with Trinity/Jesus. If an atheist would try to steal that idea from you would you listen to it? You need to build and mutual foundation. Accept even their bible for the start. Even they truly believe ALL of their teachings is based on their bible, it is not. There is a ton of topics to start with. Ask question they cannot answer using even their bible. few examples: 1. Can we agree that all our teachings have be based on bible? Yes Can we agree that adding teachings to bible is in contrary to what Jesus warned us? Yes. I understand that you try to obey Acts 15:29 and avoid blood transfusion. And I remember from your web site, that blood should be spilled back into ground as bible says. That bad include 4 major blood parts Red blood cells, White cells, Plasma and Blood pellets. But I also know that for several years you are allowed to accept blood fractions like hemoglobin (fraction of red cells.) - Can you show me in your bible where is says that blood fractions are Ok, but blood parts are forbidden? - If I take 1litre of a blood, it contains approx 0,4litre of hemoglobin, which is a fraction and approx 1centiliter of plasma. Can you should me from the bible, that Jehova or Jesus is OK with accepting 0,4 litre of haemoglobin (40% of blood) but will kill us in armagedon for accepting 1% of blood in a form of plasma? - If a JW, a Christian is free to accept a blood fraction, a fraction that comes from donated blood, is a christian allowed to donate blood to save others with his blood fractions? Where bible says so? or. 2. I understand that JWs tries to avoid pagan traditions like Birtdays, the reasons are: Pagan origin, too much unhealthy - worship like attention to one person, no mentioning christians would celebrated. OK, Imagine this scenario I know happened. A family has twins. On the day of the birthday of the twins they are not allowed to celebrate it. No party, no gifts, no cake, no family and friends invited etc. Very Next day, the family has a party with family and friends, big cake, gifts, a lot of attention to two people. It was a wedding aniversary of their parents. Both occasions have pagan origins, Both have a lot attention to two people. And non of them bible recalled to be celebrated by Christians in 1st century. Please show me in your bible why the celebration of two kids is a disfeloshipping offence and a death in armagedon. The celebration of their parents is perfectly fine. There are tons of such though provoking questions. Insist on the answer, humbly ask them to get the answer prepared and return. it will devastate them. They have noisier ever think about it. they will be in shock it is not in bible and that they do not have an answer.

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

Luke Ch.1:32NIV"He will be great and will be called the Son of the MOST HIGH. The LORD God will give him the throne of his father David," John Ch.10:29NIV"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than ALL c ; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. " The God and Father of Jesus christ is the MOST HIGH God and thus is co equal to no one. John Ch.8:54NIV"Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. " According to Jesus his God and Father is the one and only God of Israel . By common consent the God and Father of Jesus is not triune. Therefore the one and only God of Israel is not triune. John ch.20:17NIV"Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ”" The God and Father of Jesus is not triune by common consent . The God and Father of Jesus is also the God and Father of Jesus' disciples . Therefore the God and Father of Jesus' disciples is not triune. Matthew Ch.24:36NIV"“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, f but ONLY the Father. " ONLY the God and Father of Jesus Christ is omniscient thus only the God and Father of Jesus Christ is the MOST HIGH God. Roman's Ch.1:9EHV"To be sure, (the)God, whom I serve with my spirit by proclaiming the gospel of his Son, is my witness to how constantly I make mention of you. In all my prayers, " Roman's Ch.3:30NIV"since there is only ONE(Grk.eis) God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. " Paul was an actual monotheist and thus rendered exclusive sacred service to one most high God. Whom he clearly identifies as the God and Father of Jesus Christ. Matthew Ch.16:16NKJV"Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”" not merely the living Father but the living God to whom all believers owe EXCLUSIVE Devotion/Sacred Service. Malachi Ch.2:10NIV"Do we not all have one Father b ? Did not one God create us? Why do we profane the covenant of our ancestors by being unfaithful to one another?" The God and Father of Jesus Christ is the only true God.

[@theologywithseth]

Hi there! All of those verses are perfectly compatible with Trinitarian theology. For a full breakdown of what Trinitarianism actually teaches, check out my video on it linked below! kzbin.info/www/bejne/npmchWuFapx8g6c

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

@@theologywithseth only if you throw logic and common sense under the bus.

[@theologywithseth]

@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Hi again friend! I would challenge you to watch my video on the Trinity and tell me specifically which verses I misinterpret and how. Ultimately the defining factor in what we should believe about God is what He has chosen to reveal about Himself in His Word. If we base our theology purely on what makes sense in our finite human understanding, there is very little in the Bible we will ever be able to accept.

[@aservantofJEHOVAH7849]

@@theologywithseth if there is a logical way to interpret a text why choose an illogical one?

[@ravikeller9626]

@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 You can’t fully understand how God has existed from all eternity, but you believe it because the Bible teaches it. You can’t fully understand how Jesus created all things, but you believe it because the Bible teaches it. You can’t fully understand how Jesus walked on water, healed the blind, and raised the dead, but you believe it because the Bible teaches it. Don’t hate in Trinitarians because you think their beliefs defy “common sense” and “logic”. Otherwise you undercut your own theology as well. Get your doctrine out of the text, don’t force your doctrine into the text.