Jen Shah: Exclusive Interview Before Going To Federal Prison

Jen Shah surrenders to the federal prison camp in Bryan Texas today for 6 1/2 years or 78 months.
When Jen reached out to our team, she expressed a number of goals or aspirations for her looming prison sentence, including creating a record that documents how she is responding to problems that she alone created.
From our first call, we were encouraged by her willingness to learn and do the work. That work included asking her to consider how the stakeholders (case manager, warden, Judge, probation officer, and future business partners) perceived her. Only then could Jen create a realistic plan.
Part of Jen's initial "homework", was learning from the various subject-matter experts we have interviewed through Prison Professors Non-Profit, including:
Leaders of US probation,
The Federal Bureau of Prisons,
US District Court Judges, and
Prosecuting attorneys.
Each subject-matter expert we interviewed expressed the importance of a release plan. They want to see a record that shows positive ongoing efforts for change, showing a person’s commitment to preparing for success upon release.
Jen embraced the message and she invested the time to create a plan with clear goals and deliverables: the plan encourages people to track her progress and hold her accountable.
In this video, Jen and I discuss:
Her release plan and the process to create it with Michael Santos
Why it took one year for her to accept responsibility.
What are her plans in federal prison?
What are her plans after her release from federal prison?
What is her message to the doubters and skeptics?
and more.
If you have questions about our work, please email [e-mail] or text/call 818-424-2220.
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Thank you.
Justin Paperny
Co-Founder, White Collar Advice
Author of Lessons From Prison and Ethics in Motion
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[@davidc2837]

This is fucking bull shit! She’s still not taking accountability, “I believed the lie I was telling myself” how do you not know that stealing money from older people was wrong. The text messages she was sending were so damning and self aware

[@sookie4195]

She stole from her own mother.

[@richellelacy3834]

Thank you

[@lama-hb1rt]

i always said that she believes her own lies she's very delusional

[@matthewnewton8812]

Haven’t you ever told a lie and then started to believe it yourself? I know I have. It’s not the untruth- it’s when you start to BELIEVE it that it becomes almost impossible to let go of the lie. The fact that she has even been able to take that step is something that most people will never do. They’re not capable. Once you’ve gone down the path of starting to actually believe your lies it’s a miracle when somebody is able to reverse that course and go back up the hill. What would you prefer? Would you prefer if she kept saying she was innocent? Would you be calling it BS then? It seems like she can’t win- if she says she’s innocent she’s “full of crap”, if she says she’s guilty she’s “full of crap”. I for one am willing to give her a chance. Why don’t you withhold judgment and see what happens? At least give her one chance to make good on her word. Otherwise you’re basically saying she’s damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t, and that is truly not fair.

[@luzcarroll]

Stealing money is crime period, young or older people.

[@tweco123]

If I was going to be away from my spouse and children for 6.5 years the last thing I would be doing hours before surrender is doing an interview.

[@denisepaciorek9590]

REALITY TV DOES NOT SLEEP -- narcissim is real!!!!

[@armandoucles5346]

My heart goes out to the people who fell victim to this woman. I hope they continue to find justice.

[@unohooclanunohooclan5945]

Define Justice within our justice system that doesn't serve the right kind Justice it's kind of hard to acknowledge . There they went and put her in a resort of prisons so-to-speak the one she wanted to go to. I mean how does that work out since when can we request where we want to go LOL? Then, now they're saying she's talking about a substance abuse issue. She's always abusing something and now it's not a substance abuse issue which he spoke about alcohol and depression over two years ago. She's abusing the system trying to utilize their drug program which will allow her to get out 12 months earlier. Of course she was doing her homework online watching these videos that tell her all about what it is she can do to get out earlier to get more time shaved off of her sentence. What she said was she didn't have any victims. And clearly she just trying to hurry and get back to her family which does make sense as anybody want to do that but she's more focused on that than anything and not focused at all on the victims. I'm tired about hearing about herand not about the victims. Here it is yet again just like when she's on TV she's talking about how she had a suicide attempt and she only brought it up whenever her friends were facing her and talking to her about how she treats them and her response was it to own up to it but instead she gave an excuse and her excuse was to use a suicide attempt so that people wouldn't continue on with the conversation they were having so that she can address how she treats people and instead she derailed the conversation. Yet again focuses on her and what's so funny about it is that she's talking about how the stress of everything has made her have a possible suicide attempt and not once has she or her family or anybody surrounding her talked about how she's just one person talking about how things affected her but what about everybody else, what about EVERYBODY else which are so so many people and what about the stress she has put upon them, emotionally, financially, everything?which then puts stress on their family members and friends because they see that their family member is down. I mean did it ever occur to her that because of the financial stress that has been put upon them that maybe they could have a suicide attempt? Has it ever occurred to her that maybe just maybe other people have been affected to the point where they are having a hard time holding on? She doesn't address that. And the only time you hear about her apparently being sorry and wanting to start over and to move on, it's whenever her lawyer or her husband is saying it for her. Which means it's not coming directly from her mouth. In fact the only things we hear coming directly from her mouth is when she's doing things like saying yeah I don't have victims, this is been so hard on me and my family blah blah blah. Which everybody knows and it's been so hard on her family because of her. So here it is she's opening up to the fact that she needs to take accountability but it's only because she's been caught and she's only stressed because she's being taken away from her family but what about the life she has put on everybody else? So so so much focus has been put on Jen and her family to the point where it has taken away from all of her victims. Has anybody considered the fact that so many times often we all know and hear about the fact that there are many people that I've committed suicide because of their financial woes. It affects them emotionally etc. What about other people?I mean just to prove all of this I mean there was an article just recently with her crabbing about how she may not be able to get back on the housewives show after it's all said and done and how come Teresa Giudice got to and how come she's being treated differently? I mean I don't know look at what she's focused on still LOL. And I mean I don't know the fact that she considers herself and her situation like Teresa Giudice goes to show where her brain is at. Jen isn't like Teresa Giudice she was more like the Joe in the situation which was Theresa's husband. Notice how she wants to get back on the show and be more like Teresa but she's not wanting the other part of Teresa's life which includes the fact that Theresa's children can't even live in the same country in the United States with their father. Here it is Jane is acting like Teresa Giudice has it all good and her family is all great and gravy just because she's gotten back on the show but she has forgotten the wood one most important thing, family family family. Her kids can't even be with their father United States LOL for crying out loud.so Jen wants to be able to be back on the show, stay in the same country and her husband is staying the same country. She wants to be able to be in a resort of prison so to speak. She wants to talk about having this fixed substance abuse disorder so that she can shave time off when is this whole saga going to end and when is there really going to be Justice served? So when we talked about Justice, let's really address this and be real. They aren't trying to serve up real justice, it's a crock. First and foremost everybody knows she should have received more time and even the time that she did get witcha six-and-a-half years, everybody knows she's not even that full amount. On top of the fact that she's already full amount, she's going to try to get even more time shaved off of the lesser time that she's going to get anyway. She is not sorry guys. She's sorry she got caught. She's sorry that her family has had to go through it all. She's sorry that she has to be away from her family. Yeah it makes a lot of sense to put her in a place with a bunch of other white collar crime people who can then just come up with other ideas together and brainstorm more ways to screw people over. Yep notice how she's really trying to fix things I mean even this last season she was on still always getting her makeup done as they refer to it as "glam". Notice how she still getting her nails done? Notice how she tries to walk around and act like she's not spending money when they're on their trips or that she's not the one paying for things when there's little parties. Notice how she had to pay back over $10,000 for her husbands b day party. You know what she thinks that she's doing good because she didn't spend $80,000 on his birthday party like she had previously.$80,000 of money that wasn't hers and that was from everybody else that she stole from. I mean ohhhh yea let's go with a narrative that she's truly sorry and trying to make it better. If anything the only people she try to make it better for a little bit is with herself and her family and even then she's not even doing what you should do with her family because people who are broke and you have messed up to the degree she has wouldn't be getting their freaking nails done they wouldn't be paying to get their freaking makeup done. They wouldn't be taking $10,000 out of their pocket for a flipping birthday party. And her excuses is that ohhh well im going to be in prison so we want to do it up before I go. Really she's always done it up. The only difference is like I said she can't spend eighty thousand and instead she spends ten thousand. I mean that $10,000 should have stayed with her family. Or what about the people that she went around to begging for money because she couldn't cover her lawyer cost or anything else or what about the money she's gotten from her mother and her family members or just anybody? And you want to spend $10,000 on a freaking birthday party? This is NOT somebody who's truly trying to move forward and do the right thing. This is somebody who's putting on yet again another facade! I mean good grief when does this stuff end with her? Why do her co-workers and everything else and Andy Cohan and everybody else tiptoe around it the truth? Why don't they not just ask the basic questions about her pleading guilty. They know that she's going to say oh I can't answer these questions now, but if you want to record me about all this thick stuff in my life you can but I'm not going to vocally say that I messed up and say this is what I did word for word saying what she actually did. She's not going to say what she did and how she did it. She just want to say I want to move on & she doe say it!

[@joellepatry493]

She’s a narcissist. It’s what they do. It’s difficult, if not impossible, for them to change.

[@unohooclanunohooclan5945]

@@joellepatry493 EXACTLY! I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. SHE IS A COMPLETE NARCISSIST!

[@lauramitchemkennedy4705]

@@unohooclanunohooclan5945 Should've used this narrative on a blog site and posted the link here if you felt it was anything other than one long paragraph of ramblings. Yours is hands down the SINGLE LONGEST 'COMMENT' I have EVER seen on an undisputed guilty plea. I must ask, and I truly hope you will share your thoughts... Why soooo much to say on Jen Shah here. Do you know this family personally? The sheer volume of

[@edenjnewell]

@@lauramitchemkennedy4705 classic response

[@lisagockley9759]

You are so kind Justin but I don’t buy her act for a second! She tried EVERYTHING she could to get away with this and when she had no choice she pleaded guilty. Not because she suddenly realized that what she had done was wrong - but because she had no choice! She stole from the elderly…the bar doesn’t get much lower for white collar crimes than that!

[@wandamotsko7263]

💯

[@DeviIInADress]

Absolutely. May she rot in prison 🙏🏼

[@LG-33]

She’s awful!

[@carolynkoprince1017]

Liar liar liar. First thing out of her mouth as to why she pled guilty and Justin you needed to push her more. You should have held her to the fire. There are plenty of text messages of her stating she knew theses were elderly and knew she was scamming them. This is a joke of an interview. You are working for her so of course your going to go easy on her. Disgusting. She needs to go away and shut up. She has not even in this interview said SORRRY to the victims.

[@jacquesjames6226]

She’s is despicable. This is a PR campaign and her trying to get her sentenced reduced by showing remorse. She still doesn’t even fully own what she did

[@jefferyepstein9210]

I've never known any woman who has.

[@suzycreamchez123]

Oh please, she knew she was being investigated way before her arrest, that's why she moved everything she could off shore. Until she completely comes clean, I am still extremely disappointed with her.

[@wandamotsko7263]

I love what you do BUT she still hasn’t admitted her involvement and 100% responsibility for what she did! She pled guilty at the last minute, because she was backed into a corner, and they had way too much evidence against her. I feel so sorry for all the people that were robbed of their life savings by her. Of course she’s going to document everything. I’m pretty sure she thinks she’s going to make a fortune on all of this once she is released.

[@LG-33]

She’s a thug

[@dogloverrn8]

Yep she's planning on her future book deals, TV talk show appearances, & possibly a Lifetime movie deal. Sorry, but once a scammer usually always a scammer! I don't feel sorry for her or believe she has any remorse!

[@glambeautybyaudras2253]

Exactly she’s full of it.. she saw the “light” when the Southern District of New York told her that they have her cornered and she had no choice but to take a plea deal period . I don’t hear any remorse genuinely from her in the least .

[@cyoohoos]

@@dogloverrn8 well the Judge said she WAS NOT to financially benefit from her crime? Apparently there is a law that prevents this? But what can he do after sentence is imposed?

[@michellemirembe6057]

Um she did on her Instagram ho check it out it’s kinda new

[@ohfisez]

She hasn’t stopped lying yet. She cheated the elderly. Elder Abuse. “ She’s going to start healing? “. Her immediate response was to lie. Coach so smart yet you missed all this money coming in to your house? I hope she gets help and Coach gets help and her kids don’t suffer as badly as it seems they are going to be.

[@SatanSpawn801]

I don’t feel bad for her. I feel bad for all of the people that she scammed out of their life savings. Maybe she’ll use this 6 1/2 years to become a better human.

[@Maria-kh2bd]

Exactly

[@dogloverrn8]

Agree 100% Kaylynn!!

[@waimeagrl5142]

I feel bad for the victims too, however, at least she has admitted her wrongdoings, unlike the Chrisley's who continue to profess their innocence.

[@BabyKisses99]

Amen!

[@shelleypreston5095]

This doesn’t seem authentic. It seems like it is just damage control on the situation. The questions and answers seem rehearsed. It almost paints her as the victim. Just my perspective but I could be wrong.

[@GSG80709]

I agree. She still doesn’t seem honest and authentic.

[@patrickcadegan]

This interview showcases just how skillfully manipulative she is.

[@marijanemendelsohn7053]

No sympathy for this criminal.

[@ursulashields1934]

She sounds coached and insincere. Sociopaths are charming, usually attractive, and think they’re the smartest person in the room. I do not believe she can be rehabilitated. My guess is in a couple of months, she’ll be complaining about her living conditions.

[@joellepatry493]

Narcissists rarely change.

[@mai-brittchaffee8179]

One year later check out her behavior she'll never change!

[@matthewnewton8812]

Complaining about her living conditions? lol the living conditions in prison are an atrocity. What kind of lunatic wouldn’t complain. How would you ever know about it if she were complaining about the conditions in prison, anyway? This is such a bizarre comment. You have worms eating your brain or something.

[@matthewnewton8812]

@@mai-brittchaffee8179Why? Did she do something horrible in prison?

[@cjking4511]

She knew what she did was wrong but kept on doing it anyway. She has shown zero remorse. They should garnish her reality show check to pay some of the restitution with.

[@pipparicapri2244]

Justin, you cannot be buying this. I am sure you work with remorseful people, but this is not one of them.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

She’s further along then I was at this stage. I didn’t truly feel remorse until I was in prison. I guess I just see it differently.

[@GSG80709]

Her poor mom, she conned her too.

[@cali-tm1ec]

she hasn't learnt a thing since being sentenced! hopefully she will learn something over the next 6yrs

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

That’s the beauty of this interview-let’s see if Jen follows through. During the time I’ve worked with her she’s been vested, hungry to learn and incredibly hard working. Yup, I’m biased, since she’s my friend, but I’ve seen her change. I count on her to succeed.

[@cali-tm1ec]

​@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial let's wait and see. I've not once seen her really apologize with any sense of meaning. it's all about how this has hurt her and her family

[@laurenR814]

it’s amazing that she started a website, still looking to capitalize on her criminal activity! As much as I believe in prison reform, I also believe that the person cannot be reformed without truly and fully admitting guilt,taking full accountability, and going to whatever length possible to right their wrongs to the best of their ability. Bravo really knows how to pick ‘em!

[@cjking4511]

I think there are 2 purposes of going to prison. The first purpose has more to do with protecting society from these people's dangerous activities by putting them in a cell. If she was free she would still be scamming seniors! The other reason is for these people to think about what they did wrong and do prison labor. Admitting guilt / taking full accountability usually comes with time. Anyone saying they take full accountability at a sentencing hearing is really just asking for less time in prison not that they really take full accountability

[@kateashley950]

Sorry but this really pisses me off. She was selling free jen shah, not guilty merchandise. There was nothing legal about what she was doing, she was "in charge" "the wizard of oz" .

[@bethrobles4765]

Her mother was her largest victim, to the tune of a million dollars! Her entire retirement fund! Her family is smart they would just walk away from here as she takes no RESPONSIBILITY for her actions

[@angiexoxo3244]

I was in Bryan when she arrived. She’s in good hands when it comes to other inmates. The staffs are horrible. I don’t feel safe with a few staff there. We complained when regions came and they didn’t do anything. Its sad, but its prison. it’s more relaxed because its a camp. She is very nice in there.. A lot of people sucks up to her and talks behind her back.. i left Bryan 2 weeks after she arrived so I didn’t get to see more of her.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Would you call me at 818-424-2220? Thanks, Justin

[@waimeagrl5142]

This is the BEST thing Jen Shah could’ve done…get advice from Justin! It’s too bad the Chrisley’s didn’t do this, maybe the kids wouldn’t be suffering so much. You did wrong, Jen, but I wish you the best. Humble yourself!

[@mstxxgcfl]

#shahshankinfection (she won’t learn shit) and she’ll do the same thing

[@MsPea]

She'll probably look completely different when she's released. No botox. No lip injections. No cheek fillers. Can't get any of that in prison. Should be interesting to see what 5 years or so does to her. She'll look like she did before all the treatments. She was cute once, before she puffed up her face.

[@sashamoore9691]

No skin bleach, no hair dye, or wigs. She’ll be hiding as SOON as she’s released as to not have them catch a glimpse of how she’ll get truly look!

[@shawngallo4429]

Repaying the victims is so important. Financial crimes destroy people and their families. Jen good luck on your journey.

[@vivekdravid4573]

Justin, she has turned this into “ How can I stay relevant?” She isn’t even 5 feet into hell, as compared with her glamorous life, and she’s already talking about going in there and helping others have a release plan. A release plan is premature because she needs to first understand what she has done to others. This is total narcissistic behavior. Go, serve time, have an awakening in the process, but the purpose of you going to prison is not to satisfy some self help objective. It is to atone for your crime! I’m sure she threw plenty of money at you, Justin , for this program. That money, and every other dollar should go to her victims. She is not selfless whatsoever. She is not a Muslim in any respect. Jen if you want people to respect you again you can’t show them the same person you were on the show.

[@candyolson2871]

She is truly delusional. What is even more dangerous, we have some politicians who are behaving the same way.

[@josephabdo6664]

Only difference is they get away with it every day

[@Eden_Rivers]

Justin, I don't know you, but you seem like a kind person. I hope that Jen will learn from this and truly take accountability. Only time will tell.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I love your comment, especially “time will tell.” That’s right. She’s my client and friend, but that doesn’t mean I won’t be holding her accountable.

[@cherylann8538]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial you keep saying she’s your friend. How long have you known her that you would say she’s my friend? I guess we have different definitions of what friends are.

[@Hugo-bk5kq]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial I believe in your ability to positively change Jen. I am skeptical but hopeful.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

@@Hugo-bk5kq I understand your position. Let’s follow the journey and see what happens…

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

@@cherylann8538 friends long enough to know she’s aware of the damage she’s caused and long enough to know she’s committed to doing better. If you need the exact date our friendship began, I can’t help you there!

[@Kimlovesdogs]

Her oak tree won't get planted until she's been in prison for a while. She sounds very logical, is using all the right buzz words, and appears to be very contrite. She's on the pink cloud. But I think true acceptance of her wrong doing is a few years down the road. I wish her well because she has a family that she loves and who love her. And, she has an opportunity and obligation to make restitution to her victims.

[@ILLVMBlog]

You soft balled her!!! She knew what she was doing. Do people know she paid you?? Might as well have been her publicist interviewing her. She did not want to do any other interviews because she could not control the narrative. You did nothing to help her realize her accountability.

[@cyoohoos]

She’s still in the mode of…. I’ll say what people want to hear. I mean she wants back into the Entertainment industry???

[@cali-tm1ec]

Jenn just wants a bunch of pen pals when she's in prison. this website to follow her is all about HER and nothing to do with all the victims. she wants everyone to continue following her so she can maintain her superstar status. what a joke

[@LG-33]

She’s so gross

[@tipsiegypsie]

will she charge for the lessons on the release plan? sounds like a scam

[@gethaunted]

In the future, try to modulate the volume between interviewer and subject. The disparity here makes it hard to listen to

[@emmamyers6152]

Thanks for doing this video!!. Prison isn’t meant to be glamorous, she needs to humble herself. LOTS of people are privileged and don’t do this. These aren’t just little petty theft crimes, it’s a moral issue and prison can’t help that only god can!! I think it shows what kind of person she is by taking money from the elderly. Her face just screams greed with all the work she’s had done. These are the people corporate america doesn’t need 🇺🇸

[@JustMe-px9qy]

I’m not sure that I believe Jen. But if she is sincere…I wish her the best. I’m glad she found Justin. He’ll help her a lot.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you for watching. Let’s give her time to prove she can do the work. I’m biased, I know. Still, her work ethic leading up to today tells me good things are coming.

[@mollyobrien8531]

Prayers for her kids and family thats who is really suffering during this time along with the victims 🥺 she hasn’t fully taken accountability for what she has done, don’t see a lot of remorse all I hear is me me me me…. I hope this opens her eyes and she has time to think about how her actions affected so many including her children and pays the innocent victims 🥺🥺

[@joellepatry493]

Her children benefitted from her ill-gotten gains. They’ve been living the high life. She did this to them. Let them blame her.

[@julietumudu1428]

She needs to talk about victims not her selfish self 🌻

[@jamieyancey9473]

This is pretty disgusting. Why would you dare use the word "target"!? She isn't a target, she's the one TARGETING innocent people. She needs to just quietly dissappear. She knew what she was doing. And when she got caught she blamed everyone she could. I can't support anyone that supports this woman. Period.

[@Bella-tr6xc]

she's sorry she got caught

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

So was I, but I changed, worked, reflected and made amends. If I can do it, can’t she?

[@trublue1380]

Let's talk about paying back the VICTIMS 😡

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Yes, we did in this video. Will take time, but she will make it happen. If I could do it, why cant she?

[@BabyKisses99]

Exactly Tru Blue

[@snarkyenigma9219]

Jen Shah is clearly no dummy, but i believe her when she says she just wasn't processing her guilt for such a long time. Denial and culpability is very powerful defense mechanism that is not easy to crack thru, especially after you have rationalized, looked the other way, and convinced yourself that you've done nothing wrong. I'm sure her true "remorse" is probably still a little insincere at this point, but I like she is now on record for taking accountability and making the victims whole. There's no going back now. If she plays her cards right, she can make millions .., see Exhibit A: Teresa Giudice.

[@cjking4511]

I disagree. The feds do NOT get involved until YEARS AFTER there have been numerous complaints, investigations, and lawsuits filed and that takes years. No one could possibly not know they are doing something illegal when they have went through these investigations, lawsuits, and complaints from 2012 to 2021. In fact she took measures to try to hide her involvement. This is from the court's website: "SHAH was not deterred by the Federal Trade Commission’s investigations or enforcement actions, nor by learning that dozens of her co-conspirators had been arrested by federal law enforcement, pled guilty for their roles in the scheme, and that two were convicted at trial. SHAH was not ignorant of these developments: she took a series of increasingly extravagant steps to conceal her criminal conduct from the authorities. She directed others to lie, she put businesses and bank accounts in the name of others, she required payment in cash, she instructed others to delete text messages and electronic documents, she moved some of her operations overseas, and she tried to put computers and other evidence beyond the reach of investigators. These efforts were not short-lived or narrow in scope. She engaged in a yearslong, comprehensive effort to hide her continued role in the scheme."

[@snarkyenigma9219]

@@cjking4511 Yes, I get all that, but you're changing the narrative. We know she's guilty and SHE knows she's guilty. I was merely commenting on her explanation of why it took so long for her to admit guilt.

[@cjking4511]

@@snarkyenigma9219 But you know the reason why it took so long for her to admit guilt. She had an attorney the whole time. NO criminal attorney is going to advise their client to plead guilty until AFTER a plea deal is offered! Most criminals plead NOT GUILTY initially because if you plead guilty then you are going to stay in jail until sentencing! These people want to go home to their families and hope for the prosecutor to offer them a plea deal eventually. Don't fall for this fake Jen act! You have common sense, you have intelligence, and you have knowledge of other court cases so it is not reasonable to think someone as vile as Jen would ever plead guilty voluntarily in the absence of a plea deal. This has nothing to do with delusion. If you commit a crime (or crimes) you are not oblivious or forgetful of what you did because what you did was certainly not easy to do and she was clearly stressed out all the time on the show (likely because of the ongoing FTC investigations and lawsuits that were going on way before the FBI began investing her).

[@snarkyenigma9219]

@@cjking4511 You raise well though out and valid points. I guess time will tell. Oh, I was going to mention, so many people (like Asswipe Andy) feel so betrayed by Jen for her sudden guilty plea. They just don't get that pleading guilty is nothing more than a legal tactic/strategy. In Jen's case, it simply meant less jail time which at the time seemed seemed eminent. Of course, this isn't to suggest that Shah is not literally guilty as sin in committing the crimes which she was convicted of.

[@angie4justice]

I hear nothing but word salad. Zero accountability. No truth spoken here. She’s a master manipulator and con artist.

[@brittneyk0158]

“Mommy made a MISTAKE?”Noooooo, sis! You need to tell your young, adult sons that mommy knew she was taking advantage of vulnerable people and chose not to consider the consequences! 🙄

[@laurenspiridigliozzi5179]

This is a great interview! Justin was kind to Jen but didn't sugar coat the situation Jen got herself into.

[@mstxxgcfl]

#shahshankinfection (she won’t learn shit) and she’ll do the same thing

[@direwolf4981]

Yet Justin himself is profiting from her despicable crimes in a roundabout way. This is one he should have stayed away from

[@archersbiz1]

Great. Your program is great; her aspiration to accountability is great. What about therapy? Jen not only victimized people thru fraud, she treated friends and associates with rage, immaturity, disrespect. Her interpersonal relationships were toxic. She needs help with fundamental human interaction.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

She made mistakes. She’s in prison. I believe she will prove worthy of a second chance. Let’s see what happens…

[@lisasorce2258]

I’m genuinely confused. How does one run a website from prison? Didn’t the judge say she couldn’t make money off her crimes?

[@BabyKisses99]

This interview was done right before she headed to prison which was today

[@BabyKisses99]

That's why it says exclusive interview BEFORE going to federal prison

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

No judge would “say she cannot make money off for crimes.” People frequently misinterpret that fact. And she’s not making money off her crimes anyway. Additionally, Bureau of Prisons policy allows prisoners to write manuscripts or write, including on a website. I wrote on my website every day in prison-I sent the blog home and my mom added it to my site. Now, there’s email in prison.

[@cassius4177]

I wonder if she still blames Mary Crosby & Meredith for her situation. Shame she put her family through all this. Praying the victims will receive what's owed to them.

[@NoahRamageVideos]

Take a shot every time they say “release plan”

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I knew that comment was coming!!

[@Katgalano_jerseyshorerealtor]

I can’t listen to this woman not take accountability for what she has done to vulnerable senior citizens.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Your comment confirms what I said in the interview. Words, for many, ring hallow. The actions must follow.

[@Futhi.Johnson]

Why do I smell a plan of trying to make money out of this ??

[@naturalbluti6823]

During season 1 RHOSLC reunion, she was stumbling and said a bunch of words to explain what she did for a living (saying something about algorithms) lying like a rug. She has always known that what she was doing was wrong and very intentional, not a mistake. What it is is that she didn't think folks would flip on her. Jen only accepted responsibility to get a lighter sentence.

[@vwboymom85]

I always wondered why you never really discussed her or her case. She is one of your clients! 😊

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Ironically that was not the reason I did not cover the case. I just choose not to cover it!

[@gingerlane4990]

She needs to first work on her own healing. Not make a plan to help others before she’s even there. She’s basically still in denial and saying “mistakes” instead of “choices” which is normal. She hasn’t begun to change her mindset. To change your life you have to change yourself. To change yourself you have to change your mindset. I speak from experience.

[@miss.l.1563]

I'm from the U.K. So know nothing about the American prison system. Why didn't she go to a prison in Utah? & why was a Texas prison chosen? What's the difference between state & federal, & how much of the 6 1/2 years will she do?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Great questions. I’ll answer in a 60 second short video for you next week. I’ll post link here. Love the U.K.!!

[@amicieamicie2523]

So all of you who said she is not taking responsibility, why are you so proud of Jason???? He literally said it took him 3xs the amount of time to come to the same conclusion as Jen. But you are commending him for his channel. Could it be that you see black and brown people as criminals but a white man in a suit would never commit a crime?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

My name is Justin.

[@jacquielevine1667]

Her volume is too low. Sound checks Are important

[@leahrichardson9089]

This is insane she created ‘victims’ she should say - the people I scammed, let’s call a spade a spade. This sounds like pure PR talk

[@IllDiTryn]

How does an introduction to your guest not include telling your viewers who in the hell she is and what she did?

[@tiffanyh.5456]

She’s already pimping another product.

[@kateashley950]

Jen people didn't just lose money their lives were ruined. Your lucky you only got 6.5 years.

[@Shanny995]

I at least appreciate that she is doing this interview rather than talking to Andy Cohen. I hope her prison plan goes well and helps her and others. I guess we will see how it goes. Backed into a corner or not, I hope she makes the best of this for herself, her family, the victims and other people she comes in contact with in prison with the work she wants to do.

[@pipparicapri2244]

Pled guilty bc coach was going to be looked at. We are not fooled. Will be a con women in prison.

[@maggiewave1]

Hoping the very best for you, Jen!

[@jimmylaw9297]

What does it say about our correctional system when people need to come up with their own rehabilitation program? Once again, this is the system benefiting the rich and trapping the poor

[@jayofthenorth3364]

Honestly, i’m 10mins in the video and i feel like Jen is leaving some truths in her pocket maybe for appeal or something. Doesn’t seem 100% genuine.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

No appeal coming. Like many people going to prison, she’s still coming to terms with her new reality. Let’s see if her actions follow her words.

[@xmrw0nqzlifex338]

Oh Andy is gonna be pissed

[@freya6941]

She must be given the chance to prove herself and she has this release plan to ensure she stays on track and she has also announced her intentions. Her fraud was horrible and the most vulnerable were harmed. I truly hope those people are made whole. She and others really did do so much harm to the most vulnerable in society.

[@joellepatry493]

You can’t repay the dead.

[@pjt3887]

Congratulations on the interview and TMZ article..Hope you can help her. She needs lots of help.

[@unohooclanunohooclan5945]

I Mean look at her do you really think she's sorry? Lol still talking about the financial stress put upon her family by her and she can't stop paying people to do her makeup and getting her nails done.

[@natashanicholson9313]

She’s taking responsibility, serving her sentence. What more can you ask for

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

*100%*

[@vivekdravid4573]

It would’ve been better and she just done your plan and not talked about it. I hope your experience is a shocking one in prison Jen. You will need to be broken down in order to turn your ship around

[@will8300]

sorry but I feel bad for her ..

[@mikegarcia597]

Half of those ppl won’t even be alive when she can finally pay them back.

[@jayofthenorth3364]

She is going to teach a course for her release plan in prison…what is happening

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Will be a popular course.

[@user-rv2ic2nk5f]

I'm a little late to RHSLC and going down this rabbit hole but I just want to commend you, sir, on the work you are doing. I absolutely LOVED this interview. I obviously come in with my own opinions and bias of this woman as we all do. All though I am not a fan of this woman I see that you are meeting her where she is at. People can say how can you help someone like this or you're not being hard enough on her. But I can see that you've been there, and maybe not in her exact situation, and your are trying to fill our world with good works. I love how you comment with people that time will tell. We can all hear her saying the exact thing everyone says when they are going to jail like I'm going to have my religious books and help others. But I can see you know she's not there yet and can't really help others unless she digs deep and does the work herself. But you aren' t judging her for that and just have HOPE that she will get there on her own and with the plan (which is really self-help therapy). Even if only a few are able to get there and put out good into our world I am happy for this. Even if they aren't what we call "good people". People can be "bad people" on the inside and do good for others and "good people" can have all of the best intentions and hurt everyone around them. Sometimes they get there not in the way we think they should but if good comes out of it then I think this is a good thing! Keep it up! I know people probably say that you haven't changed as well and are just profiting off of all of this. And maybe there is some truth to that in a way but it doesn't matter. What matters is your actions and putting one foot in front of the other, building brick by brick with the intention of a new life and a new way to keep on going with your life for your family. I'm sure that options are limited after prison. We make choices in every thought and every step and I think you chose well! This interview has changed my perspective on somethings regarding all of this so thank you again.

[@murieloduro1274]

It’s like she’s been coached on how to spin it.

[@heyjude2109]

Of course she has. She has been repeating the same disc for months. It's been orchestrated and rehearsed with her legal and communication teams for months.

[@HONEST.HOUR.]

We need a Stuart interview…. Did his sentence start already ?

[@murieloduro1274]

So she’s going to cash in and exploit her experience.. having the cameras follow her around insures safety and special treatment.

[@jayofthenorth3364]

she is saying she is going to make a website and blog about her release plan? Girl, your going to be locked in a box, not behind a camera vlogging about your day.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Box? Who is in a box? She’s in a camp, open living condition, with access to phone, email, mail, video visits and in person visitation. Tons of time to write, blog and re build.

[@ta-fo4iy]

I believe her. Delusion can be an incredibly powerful force. Wishing her well...

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you for watching.

[@cjking4511]

Yeah right. You are just gullible. "SHAH was not deterred by the Federal Trade Commission’s investigations or enforcement actions, nor by learning that dozens of her co-conspirators had been arrested by federal law enforcement, pled guilty for their roles in the scheme, and that two were convicted at trial. SHAH was not ignorant of these developments: she took a series of increasingly extravagant steps to conceal her criminal conduct from the authorities. She directed others to lie, she put businesses and bank accounts in the name of others, she required payment in cash, she instructed others to delete text messages and electronic documents, she moved some of her operations overseas, and she tried to put computers and other evidence beyond the reach of investigators. These efforts were not short-lived or narrow in scope. She engaged in a yearslong, comprehensive effort to hide her continued role in the scheme."

[@bdiamond7413]

Wishing Jen and her family love ❤️

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Me too!!

[@rnarez100]

This was a good platform for Jen to share her story. Thank you, Justin, for facilitating it.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you for watching.

[@QuinctiliusVarus]

Yeah. Pity you couldn’t get an interview with Alec Murdaugh or Bernie Madoff.

[@powers64]

Glad she came to you!! Great interview. It feels like she should have consulted you a couple years ago!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Never too early or too late to start preparing. I admire how hard she worked with our team. I would bet on her to succeed.

[@seamus9750]

Have never quite seen an interview like this before....can't imagine such a scenario playing out in my circle.

[@leesamorgan5086]

"I want to document my journey through prison" is aka I need to make money to pay off my restitution, and hopefully profit...

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Would you prefer she never worked again and her victims don’t get their hard earned money back?

[@laurenR814]

she’s not even allowed to profit, supposedly. Anything she gets paid in jail, the $.15 an hour she makes all has to go straight to her restitution, plus she has 5 years of supervised release to make sure she doesn’t engage in any more illegal activity. Wouldn’t shah shock me at all if after that, she starts some new scam.

[@VK.x]

Healing? Make her way back? FROM WHAT? 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@Amazing_Jamaica]

Life is about experiences whether good or bad, i empathize with the victims and i sympathize with Jen as people makes mistakes and i hope she learns from this.....

[@billyjean9484]

She will be home after 3 yrs served. (6.5 yrs tot - 1 year good time - 1 year fsa credits - 1 year rdap - 6 mos halfway house). Don't worry, the rehabilitation will come from the other inmates.

[@matthewramsey5239]

I’m hopeful and I’m n glad she did this as opposed to Andy Cohen. Shows growth. I hope she stays safe. I hope all men and women could stay safe but unfortunately we have evil alive and well runnin around this world 🌎

[@addilyndove]

Hi Justin, thank you for being so kind to my friend. Holding her accountable. I miss my friend dearly with my heart. I am so upset for the victims, as she is. I have wrote to her, and I will send it off tomorrow. She was the best person to talk to, our late night calls and texts were everything. I miss & love my friend. Time will tell her growth. I can’t wait to see it… Love from Jen’s friend.. Addilyn

[@azzahjensen6110]

What a shame she did not think about her family before she undertook to commit a crime.

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I was no different

[@lifesillusions.9797]

I believe her and wish her and her family and victims light for the hard times ahead. Before they no it her family will be holding her close again and enjoying the years that are left. It was wrong but who is perfect. Don't judge just love.

[@Lisa_1111]

This should be called "Criminals Commiserating with Criminals" ... or "Pathological Liars".

[@GSG80709]

She’s a liar. Don’t trust her. Here comes her next con. Her husband had to know something!

[@ThatPrettyMess]

She is sorry she goy “caught”

[@diannelevy9179]

I have a question for Justin, did the Chrisley's reach out to you?

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I’m super proud to call the Chrisley’s my friend.

[@cal4207]

​@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial well maybe you'll be notified when you hear about him getting sexually assaulted blonde hair and blue eyes is a big thing to the booty bandits in prison

[@kimmie2679]

@@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficialbut that didn’t answer the question.

[@SB-eh5gd]

@@kimmie2679 why should he answer it?

[@vinakinder691]

We can barely hear Jen!!

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

I’ll sum it up: she’s going to work hard to prove worthy of a second chance through her actions.

[@southphillylilly]

those fillers will dissapate and the gray hair growing in are really going to humble her

[@unohooclanunohooclan5945]

It's all about her yet again...not her victims. It's so funny because I was watching a KZbin video right before this one about what is called club Fed. I'd only heard about it recently in about how Jen was trying to go to the same place as Elizabeth Holmes, to the federal Bryan camp prison. In what I found kind of funny was yet again yet it here it is again she's trying to get the easy way out and minimize her role and things by going to a place that is known as a club Fed type place or a resort for prisons compared to so many other prisons. She's more worried about herself than she is about her victims. On the show she talks about how considered taking her own life and she said at a time where she didn't want to take take accountability for the way that she's treating her friends which was very bad btw. She always says things at a convenient time and what struck me was the fact that she brought it up but never once has she ever talked about the fact that here it is he's talking about her self which is one single person and not once has she in reference to the fact that what she has done made an impact on so many people and everybody knows that whenever there is such financial pressure on people that it can lead them to a state of depression which then can make them want to take their own lives. Did she ever sit back and think about the fact that so many people could be suicidal bc of what she did to them? Of course she's not thinking about that. Noticed how every time you hear that apparently she's wanting to move forward and do the right thing and that she's so sorry, you either hear that through her lawyer or her husband. But anytime you ever hear her talk it's her saying she doesn't have any victims & she's talking about herself and how things are hard for her and her family. But she doesn't reference anybody else which does not sound like a person who truly trying to move forward. A person who's trying to move forward is it just trying to become a better person for themselves or their family, their trying to become a better person all around in general and it has to start with your victim's. Recognizing on saying out loud what it is that you have done without lying. Without trying to control the narrative to make yourself sound good. I stated that I had watched one of the other video prior to this video and it was about club Fed just because I wanted to do a little bit of research on the articles I was reading about her wanting to go to federal Texas Bryan camp prison. And I'm watching the video I'm seeing how the person who's doing the video was somebody that had already previously served the time and they were getting advice as to help people can lessen their time and get out earlier and he was giving advice. One thing he said was that people can get into a some kind of drug program in prison which can lessen their time 12 months and then he mentioned another thing that can lessen their time another 12 months. And as soon as I saw that it made me remember the article that I had just read about her a day or two prior which was talking about suddenly about how she said that she has a substance abuse issue. Which nobody has heard about out of everything that's been told about her and heard about her this whole time, now her lawyer suddenly said that she wants to address a substance abuse issue LOL. But then they say oh it was alcohol and depression that was two years ago that was the issue. They also said that they recognize that some people try to make things up to try to become a part of our program so that they can get out 12 months earlier. I mean it just goes to show that she's always out for herself per usual and always working on a plan! So is this somebody who's really trying to answer for their crimes and somebody who's really trying to do their time and come out as a better person? Or is this somebody who's having to speak up a little bit about something without telling the whole truth because they were caught and is trying to get out of it as much as they can? I think it's the latter! Of course she didn't want to do an interview with Andy Cohen because they wouldn't revise the contract that she had done with bravo. She wanted to be able to control the narrative. So you can see here how she is able to control the narrative. She doesn't want to be able to answer questions whenever it comes down to telling the truth about what she has done and giving details etc. This whole video it's sickening talking about how she scared she's the she's that and her family and this and that. WHAT about EVERYBODY ELSE? What about everybody else that she absolutely devastated and what about their mental health and what about their financial well-being? What about their families and the people that love them? Are they okay and do they have enough food to eat, are they able to pay their bills? For once can people address her victims and speak about them. For once can people stop acting like they're just going to accept whatever she puts out there which is a load of crap once can she for real at least start to be a decent human being like she claims that she's going to do and buy that happening that means she needs to come out and say you know what I messedup. It happens with all this in the world in one way or another. But I want to address this and I want you to fix this and it starts with me saying out loud what I did. I have victims I have so many victims and I have hurt them so badly. I've heard them and I hurt their families. I put them in a financial right, I can't even imagine where their mental status has been, not just for one year and not just a few years but where they will be for the rest of their lives. Has any of them considered suicide or has any of them actually committed suicide? Why are people tiptoeing around this? I know why because so many people on this Earth only care whenever their own family or somebody they love is being affected and there's not enough people out there that actually give a damn about everyone. I don't just imagine a situation for myself I imagine it for everybody else too. This whole thing is sickening. Of course she wants to go to the same place as Elizabeth Holmes. Jen wants it as easy as possibleand that certainly does not sound like somebody whose wanting change and somebody who wants to put her victims first along with herself and her family. She doesn't even speak about her victims and she even said she doesn't have victims. I will not apologizing for saying that she absolutely should not be in a federal prison that is easier for her. She definitely should be in a prison that is run down just like most of them.. why is it that these people who commit such huge white collar crimes seem to always be put on a pedestal and even receive somewhat of a club status even when it comes to prison for crying out loud. Those people aren't just thrown into the crappy prisons and it's messed up. Look what example the government is setting for ppl. Do you know what I have learned from this? I have learned that if a person were to commit a financial crime, they're more likely to do a lot less time and they'll probably do it in a nicer place. The whole thing is so messed up & the more she sits back & doesn't address her victims out loud& publicly acknowledge it herself, the more she does not address things, the uglier she looks from within!

[@sherrisimsrhue6342]

Great interview

[@WhiteCollarAdviceOfficial]

Thank you for watching.

[@YoungRheubottom]

I'm not buying that she didn't know.

[@bethrobles4765]

using her logic Al Capons was a “good” guy because he gave some money to those who needed it