🖖STAR TREK TNG 2x3-4 | Elementary Dear Data | The Outrageous Okona

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Jen Murray

Jen Murray

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@jenmurrayxo
@jenmurrayxo 7 ай бұрын
S02E09 The Measure of a Man available now for Early Access to Channel Members & Patrons! www.patreon.com/posts/early-access-tng-99606556 TNG Playlist: kzbin.info/aero/PLQHhQlj8i5dqskzLNqeSNyMGa1rBWe3h1 Original Series: kzbin.info/aero/PLQHhQlj8i5drsrCtQd-FDuZZ99vKlPTyZ
@robbiemurray2895
@robbiemurray2895 7 ай бұрын
Watching your videos has given me the urge to play Star Trek online again, if I do what should I name my first federation ship? Any recommendations Jen?
@joeb918
@joeb918 7 ай бұрын
Since you’re into the music and sound effects for the show, may I recommend that you can find videos on KZbin that are nothing but ambient noise from the various star ships on Star Trek. I sometimes use the ship rumble as an ambient noise generator to sleep to along with other noises to help combat my tennitus.
@denisewilkins47
@denisewilkins47 7 ай бұрын
Hi Jen, pls consider doing the British version of Sherlock Holmes called “Sherlock”. Amazon Prime carries it in Alberta……this is just a brilliant, brilliant series with Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman. The music, writing, and acting is stunning! Loved today’s reaction!
@toyota420xp
@toyota420xp 7 ай бұрын
In the beginning of the episode data said chief engineer la Forge was looking for me I think in the newer seasons you might have just said Jordy was looking for me
@neutrino78x
@neutrino78x 7 ай бұрын
ooh measure of a man is one of my favorite TNG episodes, it really gets into data and what it means to be a sentient being, that's a major theme in TNG and also Picard ("Star Trek: Picard"). 🙂
@mattskones
@mattskones 7 ай бұрын
Geordi and Data’s friendship is one of the best elements in TNG.
@adrianpeart
@adrianpeart 7 ай бұрын
💯
@smadaf
@smadaf 6 ай бұрын
Geordi's delivery at the beginning of "Elementary, Dear Data" is very _Reading Rainbow._ He seems about ready to say "But . . . you don't have to take _my_ word for it."
@djashley2002
@djashley2002 7 ай бұрын
The biggest shock in Elementary Dear Data is that Daniel Davis who plays Moriarty is actually an American actor. His accent is so perfect that everyone in the UK though he was yet another British actor slumming it in the US for a paycheque, and it's still a bit of a shock when you hear him speak in his natural accent.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 7 ай бұрын
To say nothing of his legendary role as Niles on The Nanny.
@cashflowhustles
@cashflowhustles 7 ай бұрын
The actor playing Moriarty is actually from Arkansas.
@Slythe01
@Slythe01 7 ай бұрын
Oh I never knew that
@allanmanaged5285
@allanmanaged5285 7 ай бұрын
He is also in 'The Hunt for Red October' on the US aircraft carrier.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 7 ай бұрын
@@allanmanaged5285 Riiight. That's my favorite movie and I forget he plays the captain....of the USS Enterprise. Gates McFadden coincidentally also is in it as Jack Ryan's wife.
@ericstarkey551
@ericstarkey551 7 ай бұрын
The woman in the transporter is played by terri hatcher, famous for being Lois lane on Lois and Clark the new adventures of superman, and desperate houswives.
@jenmurrayxo
@jenmurrayxo 7 ай бұрын
Haven't seen either!
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 7 ай бұрын
​@@jenmurrayxoHow about the movie _'Tango & Cash'_? She had a good role in that film.
@stue2298
@stue2298 7 ай бұрын
You beat me to say the actress that played Lt, roninsion the transporter operator was Teri Hatcher.
@rexmundi2986
@rexmundi2986 7 ай бұрын
She was in the second Brosnan Bond movie, too, no?
@pauld6967
@pauld6967 7 ай бұрын
@@rexmundi2986 That is correct. _'Tomorrow Never Dies.'_
@paulhewes7333
@paulhewes7333 7 ай бұрын
"Take my Worf, please!" That one silly little line has been with me for decades...
@ericstarkey551
@ericstarkey551 7 ай бұрын
Moriarty is played by the same actor who played the butler on the nanny.
@nataliefaust7959
@nataliefaust7959 7 ай бұрын
Also the Captain of Enterprise in The Hunt for Red October.
@piotrk.8652
@piotrk.8652 7 ай бұрын
Mr Niles Moriarty :D
@izzonj
@izzonj 7 ай бұрын
Jen's questions about Data are exactly what makes "The Measure of a Man" a top 10 TNG episode!
@NOLANM7
@NOLANM7 7 ай бұрын
She almost quoted it spot on.
@Britcarjunkie
@Britcarjunkie 7 ай бұрын
Just wait until she starts watching TNG feature films! (NO spoilers!)
@K-11609
@K-11609 7 ай бұрын
“A pity What I have seen What I have learned Fascinates me … _I do not want to die_ “ His performance here is absolutely phenomenal. For some reason that line stuck with me whenever I think about this episode.
@markus.schiefer
@markus.schiefer 7 ай бұрын
Reminds very much of the death scene of Rutger Hauer in Bladerunner.
@JKM395
@JKM395 7 ай бұрын
"And I do not want to kill you." You're right. Great scene.
@julioverne579
@julioverne579 7 ай бұрын
Yes! These lines perfectly express that Moriarty is part of a Novel, thought of by a Romantic Era mind, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. These lines couldve easily been written by Poe or Christie or Wilhelm Müller or Heinrich Heine or Clara Schumann or Jean Sibelius... and so on.
@BlameThande
@BlameThande 7 ай бұрын
It is very fitting for early TNG (in a good way) to suggest that if an AI Moriarty grew that intelligent, he would be intelligent enough to realise that evil is inherently limiting and he no longer wants to be a villain.
@TylerD288
@TylerD288 5 ай бұрын
He was great in this, and I had no idea his accent was fake.
@klopferator
@klopferator 7 ай бұрын
Probably the biggest (unintentional?) joke in the second episode was depicting Joe Piscopo as one of the most important comedians in Earth's history.
@cypher515
@cypher515 7 ай бұрын
Hey, I remember laughing a lot at that guy in the 80's. ... I was 12 at the end of the 80's so that says _all_ you need to know.
@bigdream_dreambig
@bigdream_dreambig 7 ай бұрын
Did they say he was _important_ , though, or just typical of the era?
@bozzutoman
@bozzutoman 7 ай бұрын
I have a problem with the implication that Piscopo is even remotely _funny._
@earlbrown
@earlbrown 7 ай бұрын
@@bozzutoman He was petty good in Johnny Dangerously. After leaving SNL right before the timeframe when they decided to stop being funny.
@mattschliemann9683
@mattschliemann9683 7 ай бұрын
Johnny Dangerously is soo good!!! And Joe was definitely funny in that. Did they actually name him Joe Piscopo in the episode though? I thought he was actually playing a fictional comedian. Didn't someone call him Mr Joke or Mr Comedy or something in the episode? I forgot what the name was after Mr but I swear I heard that (it's been a couple hours since I watched the reaction).
@havok6280
@havok6280 7 ай бұрын
They're real... And they're spectacular...
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
Good Seinfeld reference!
@Salty_Balls
@Salty_Balls 7 ай бұрын
Unfortunately her later topless scenes definitively proved they are in fact not spectacular.
@earlbrown
@earlbrown 7 ай бұрын
and thanks to the internet, we know she wasn't telling the truth about the 2nd half of that statement.
@TylerD288
@TylerD288 5 ай бұрын
@@earlbrown ouch!
@Dillpicks95
@Dillpicks95 7 ай бұрын
Some great episodes and I’ll never get tired of Star Trek Sunday. It’s still one of the greatest ideas Jen has ever come up with, it’s always must see.
@bigneon_glitter
@bigneon_glitter 7 ай бұрын
Yay, _"Elementary"_ - the ep when _TNG_ began to find it's feet.
@flerbus
@flerbus 7 ай бұрын
first episode that can seamlessly fit in with the best of tng
@meuspeus5483
@meuspeus5483 7 ай бұрын
Arguably the first good TNG episode :P
@jamesgoss1860
@jamesgoss1860 7 ай бұрын
And then Okona comes along and knocks it back on its butt.
@TerryParr
@TerryParr 7 ай бұрын
@@jamesgoss1860 I liked the Okana episode though!
@CarolinaCharles777
@CarolinaCharles777 7 ай бұрын
I'm pretty sure that's the first time I've heard a reactor use the word "anthropomorphize" before! 😁
@shinrapresident7010
@shinrapresident7010 7 ай бұрын
God I can't wait for Captain Jen to watch Measure of a Man.
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
In a chat she said she really liked that one.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
7:05 Mark! If I recall his name correctly, actor Basil Rathbone is famous for playing "Sherlock Holmes" in a series of movies based on the novels that his look and his voice are the trope/stereotype used by others ever since, including Data! 😉 The movie version, though, unlike the novel version, got to fight WW2 Nazis! 😅
@stephanelosier6492
@stephanelosier6492 7 ай бұрын
Data as Sherlock is pure awesomeness. I cant wait for you to discover more
@mlcsella
@mlcsella 4 ай бұрын
Almost all of the Holodeck episodes are wonderful; but "Elementary" is at the top of the list.
@thereisnospoon277
@thereisnospoon277 7 ай бұрын
Billy Campbell,(the outrageous Okona), played “The Rocketeer”.A movie you just reacted to just a few days ago.
@rosshall6475
@rosshall6475 7 ай бұрын
I didnt realize that was him!
@TerryParr
@TerryParr 7 ай бұрын
The Rocka-Who?
@BDogg2023
@BDogg2023 7 ай бұрын
The comic Data was trying to learn about comedy from is Joe Piscapo. His cameo on TNG was kind of a big deal back in the day. He is probably most famous for his time on Saturday Night Live in the early 80s, the Eddie Murphy years. He and Eddie were good friends, and they did a famous skit together portraying Frank Sinatra and Stevie Wonder doing a version of “Ebony and Ivory.” It’s on KZbin.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 7 ай бұрын
I remember him most for Sidekicks I think.
@rosshall6475
@rosshall6475 7 ай бұрын
I know Piscopo from Dead Heat only
@rosshall6475
@rosshall6475 7 ай бұрын
I know Piscopo from Dead Heat only
@Rocket_Man232
@Rocket_Man232 7 ай бұрын
🔔 JEN: Trivia -> The Captain of the ship they encountered at the beginning of S2E4 was a runner up to Frakes to play Riker!
@Klingon2468
@Klingon2468 7 ай бұрын
Jen I have just watched you watch Elementary Dear Data, before the next episode I just wanted to say You are going to love the episode The Measure of a Man.
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
In a chat recently, Jen said Measure of a Man is one of her favorites so far.
@3Rayfire
@3Rayfire 7 ай бұрын
@@kevinlewallen4778I imagine it answered a lot of the questions she's been voicing about Data.
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
To those of you who recommended the Jeremy Brett Holmes series, thanks for that. I watched an episode today and enjoyed it very much. The ep I saw adapted a short story I read recently, and it was done quite faithfully and well.
@BlameThande
@BlameThande 7 ай бұрын
My dad has seen many versions of Sherlock Holmes over the years, the Jeremy Brett series came well after the ones he'd have childhood nostalgia for, and he maintains that the Brett version is still the best Holmes ever.
@lancebaylis3169
@lancebaylis3169 7 ай бұрын
The Jeremy Brett series is the closest anyone has ever gotten to translating Holmes from page to screen. There are other versions that are good, don't get me wrong, but for pure accuracy to the source material, it's unparalleled.
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
Nice job on the Poppies, Jen! See ya at noon!
@Michael-id9bw
@Michael-id9bw 7 ай бұрын
Elementary Dear Data, one of my favorites from season 2, and we get to see the Rocketeer as Okona. 👍💯
@One.Zero.One101
@One.Zero.One101 7 ай бұрын
Elementary My Dear Data was my very first Star Trek episode. I came upon it while channel surfing and it piqued my curiosity because I loved scifi and I loved Sherlock Holmes. That was the start of my fandom 30 years ago.
@j_ro
@j_ro 7 ай бұрын
the first episode i ever saw had the entire crew lose their memories. i was very intrigued. i had no clue who the imposter was, just thought he was another crew member. Data as the bartender made perfect sense. none of it was ironic or funny, unlike the second viewing where it was all hysterics.
@TheStammzilla
@TheStammzilla 7 ай бұрын
Jen Murray: "Data is funny when he doesn't mean to be." Me: "Yes that's why we long time fans love him!" 😂
@MarioMarioD80
@MarioMarioD80 7 ай бұрын
haha teri hatcher (lois + clark, desperate housewifes) as the transporter operator / love interest! xD it's so funny to spot actors you didn't know at the time
@bobbuethe1477
@bobbuethe1477 7 ай бұрын
She also played recurring characters in "The Love Boat" and "MacGyver," and a key character in one first-season episode of "Quantum Leap."
@Caroline_Tyler
@Caroline_Tyler 7 ай бұрын
The actor playing Captain Okana is the lead of the film "The Rocketeer" on continues to play Okana in the lower decks episode.
@bobbuethe1477
@bobbuethe1477 7 ай бұрын
He was also in the running for the role of Riker before Jonathan Frakes was chosen.
@msbae
@msbae 7 ай бұрын
The Okona character was also in Prodigy.
@Unethical.Dodgson
@Unethical.Dodgson 7 ай бұрын
Yeah but we shouldn't talk about TLD.
@TylerD288
@TylerD288 5 ай бұрын
He was also one of Lucy's suitors in "Bram Stokers Dracula".
@EvanJoanette
@EvanJoanette 7 ай бұрын
The Rogue is Billy Campbell. He's the Rocketeer. Appearing lately in a great police series set in Northern Ontario, where he plays a detective, Cardinal.
@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis.
@Adam_Le-Roi_Davis. 7 ай бұрын
Sorry for missing the premiere of these episodes, Jen, I was delayed in getting home, both of these episodes are really good ones, particularly, 'Elementary, My Dear Data". I look forward to seeing you react to 'The Measure of a Man' which is one of the best Data episodes.
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
Agreed, Adam, Measure of a Man is excellent.
@CarefulWithThatAx
@CarefulWithThatAx 7 ай бұрын
If you like exploration into the nature of Data, you're going to love ep 9. (everyone loves ep 9).
@captainchaos3667
@captainchaos3667 7 ай бұрын
The holodeck was such a genious invention. It allows them to tell any story and it's still always nominally sci-fi taking place on a starship.
@gapsule2326
@gapsule2326 7 ай бұрын
Its also the ultimate bottle episode premise. They get to save money and use wardrobe and sets from other shows.
@The_Kiosk
@The_Kiosk 7 ай бұрын
"Elementary" is easily the best episode so far. Everyone remembers Moriarty.
@coldwhite4240
@coldwhite4240 7 ай бұрын
To be honest, while I love the characters of Data and Picard themselves, I'm not a great fan of episodes like "Elementary, Dear Data" or other ones involving them that are set on the holodeck as Westerns, Film Noir or other literary or cinematic styles. When I watch ST, I want to see ST not ST reinterpreted in detail as another genre. It's not very original and rather derivative (inevitably). While I appreciate the concept of doing an occasional episode like that as a homage and I accept others will enjoy it, I can never rate those episodes too highly in the canon personally.
@doc0815martens
@doc0815martens 7 ай бұрын
Dear Jen, it's really great that you're reacting to all the episodes and you're going to have so much more fun. I wish I could see them again for the first time myself, but I made that journey 35 years ago. But it's really nice to see your reaction to it, and I remember how excited I was back then.
@persephonebasilissa5109
@persephonebasilissa5109 7 ай бұрын
"Commercial break!" makes me grin every time
@exhistoriascientia
@exhistoriascientia 7 ай бұрын
The entirety of London as seen on the holodeck in this episode was actually built inside the holodeck set. Very clever set design allowed them to fit the streets and buildings all within that space. The model of the H.M.S. Victory, Lord Nelson's flagship at the 1805 Battle of Trafalgar, was a Mantua kit. They were manufacturers of the highest quality wooden model ships and their model of the Victory was amongst the largest and most expensive that they offered at the time (even still today). Following this episode, the model was displayed in Gene Roddenberry's office in his home. I don't know what became of it after his wife Majel's (aka Nurse Chapel, Lwaxana Troi, and the voice of the computer) death.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
18:07 Mark! He kept saying "Mister Computer"! 😂😅 But anyway, Georgie, by his words, would be the father, and "Computer" by her actions would be the mother! No one else has mentioned that! They always say "Sir Arthur Conan Doyle"! 😅
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
PPS: Ergo Teri's character in this episode is a doppelganger of her "DC" and "Seinfeld" characters! 😮Whew! 😂
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
15:26 Mark! When this was new, my friends and I laughed because she didn't think that she was old, then, as we were all under 30! Now, at least, I know better! The others may not have matured. 😁
@noneya3635
@noneya3635 7 ай бұрын
It is so much fun watching how into the show Jen gets. Like watching a new all over again. P. S. I want Jen merch of a tee shirt that says COMMERCIAL BREAK! Make it so!
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
25:47 Mark! "We know who you are!" Aha! Maybe the "Doctor Who" writers were inspired by this episode! They created a British PM who always flashes her identification and introduces herself! Even the Dale's and maybe the Cybermen, too, got annoyed as they said that line! 😅 Humans were saying it first, though!
@tofersiefken
@tofersiefken 7 ай бұрын
Mad About You was such a great series. People love to react to FRIENDS, maybe some reactors could check out Mad About You as well.
@Rocket_Man232
@Rocket_Man232 7 ай бұрын
🔔 JEN: Trivia #2 -> In S2E4 the woman transporting the ship's captain and then subsequently awaited him in her quarters was none other than Teri Hatcher, co-star of the great TV series 'LOIS & CLARK: THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN' (which series please react to)! Unfortunately almost all of her scenes in this ST:NG episode wound up on the cutting room floor and when she found out she told them not to bother to put her name in the credits. (Ouch!)
@RangerChris61
@RangerChris61 7 ай бұрын
Also was a Bond Girl (Tomorrow Never Dies)
@Rocket_Man232
@Rocket_Man232 7 ай бұрын
@@RangerChris61 Not to mention "Desperate Housewives"!
@philkensebben
@philkensebben 7 ай бұрын
Yeah Lois and Clark is hardly her best known role
@TheWebcrafter
@TheWebcrafter 7 ай бұрын
33:08 - DATA OR DAD JOKE? "Yesterday I attempted to get a brand new quantum computer for the wife. Unfortunately, the storekeeper wouldn't swap."
@joeb918
@joeb918 7 ай бұрын
Fun fact: when they wrote Elementary Dear Data they believed the Sherlock Holmes novels were in public domain, this was not the case. This caused some friction with the family estate that owns the rights which led to a consequence which we will see further down the line in this shows history.
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
It's public domain now. Free (and legal) ebooks are available.
@alexbruce9499
@alexbruce9499 7 ай бұрын
@@kevinlewallen4778 The copyright only fully expired in 2023 though
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
@@alexbruce9499 Interesting, I didn't know that.
@joeb918
@joeb918 7 ай бұрын
Yes, in 2023 it entered in public domain, this was not the case in 1988.
@augiegirl1
@augiegirl1 3 ай бұрын
Settling those legal issues is the reason why it will be 4 years before Moriarty returns.
@JohnPull-mg7bb
@JohnPull-mg7bb 7 ай бұрын
Elementary Dear Data was the first episode I thought really stood out up to this point. Episode 9 was when I knew this was the show for me. Looking forward to your reaction on that one 😊
@nataliefaust7959
@nataliefaust7959 7 ай бұрын
I love that Geordi's first idea is basically to have "AI" create a "new" mystery. The reason it doesn't work is the same reason why AI "art" and "writing" don't work in our time now. It's only copying pre-existing, human made art and writing. It doesn't matter how it jumbles them up, it's not going to have anything original. Data can solve anything the computer comes up with because he knows all the same things as the computer. It isn't until Moriarty achieves sentience that Data can be challenged. TNG so accurately predicting the problem 36 years ahead of time.
@kennethspears22
@kennethspears22 7 ай бұрын
The actor who played Okona was one of several actors considered for the part of Riker.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
PS: Ahem. Oh yeah! I forgot! There's a PC "Star Trek" game that allows you to build your own starship, name it, and assign crew members to it. You have access to every named appropriate character from each series and the movies made up to that time. Teri Hatcher's character is included. Her character file is eerily similar to Lois Lane's! Now, if you have studied the phenomenon known as "The Terry Westphall Universe" then you should be aware that "The Star Trek Universe" and the "DC Multiverse" and a big group of "NBC" series and the "MCU" coexist! So Julia's "Elaine" from "Seinfeld" and her "MCU" character are doppelgangers! Teri's "Seinfeld" character and her "DC" characters are doppelgangers! "Doctor Who" is connected, by the way. I could go on, but there's a Website dedicated to keeping track of crossovers and shared universes. The guy calls himself "Poobala"! 😊
@stegwise
@stegwise 7 ай бұрын
1. this is where the show truly begins being great 2. they have 10 hour loop videos of the ship ambience
@DrummingWriterTrekfan84
@DrummingWriterTrekfan84 7 ай бұрын
Fun fact the actor playing okana auditiond for the role of commander Riker and came down to him and Jonathan Frakes who of course got the part.
@ctmdarkonestm
@ctmdarkonestm 7 ай бұрын
Jen pondering the implications of a machine being alive is perfect considering an episode dealing with just that is coming up
@JeffB-SFJ
@JeffB-SFJ 7 ай бұрын
The best adaptations of the original Holmes stories are from the Grenada series in the 80s. Jeremy Brett’s portrayal IS Holmes from the stories and I highly recommend them.
@coldwhite4240
@coldwhite4240 7 ай бұрын
Absolutely.
@paintwhisperer
@paintwhisperer 7 ай бұрын
going threw these old episodes that ive seen with my family as a kid has been surprisingly enjoying thanks Jen
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
4:47 Mark! Data only mentioned the literature itself, right? Not the movies, television series, and games, too? 🤔 Oddly enough, Spock once made a comment about an ancestor on his mother's side, that people now still speculate if the ancestor was Doyle or "Holmes"! 😂
@TerminatorJuice
@TerminatorJuice 7 ай бұрын
Is that the Rocketeer in the second episode?! It kind of looks just like him! 🤓
@yasminesteinbauer8565
@yasminesteinbauer8565 7 ай бұрын
The idea of artificial life actually goes back to antiquity. And the concept also appeared in much older films such as Metropolis (1927).🤖
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
17:34 Mark! Hmm. In the original "Star Trek" aeries, we have the episode with "Doctor Corby" and an episode with "Norman" and so many gynoids, and the sad one in which Kirk falls in love with a gynoid who doesn't know that she is one. 😢
@humanvideosponge4529
@humanvideosponge4529 7 ай бұрын
Elementary Dear Data is the first truly epic episode of TNG. That's pretty much the reason I tend to just kind of want to forget the first season entirely. There was nothing close to this good in season 1. Once you've seen something like this, it's hard to go back. The best TNG episodes were all about timeless concepts. Like AI. Which is why it's still relevant. Back then, it might have seemed a little silly to be thinking about computers becoming self aware and being a credible threat. The computers most ordinary people interacted with were little more than fancy calculators. The idea of playing a movie on a computer was mindblowing back then. TNG was ahead of it's time but AI wasn't exactly a new concept in science fiction. It just hadn't been done very well very often.
@ceremus
@ceremus 7 ай бұрын
Welp, I was today years old when I caught onto the fact that The Rocketeer hooked up with Lois Lane on TNG.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
Teri Hatcher is alas, my age now too, and her only daughter is now old enough to make her a grandmother! But I remember how she caused a stir among some by being in a magazine article and she and her daughter wore matching swimsuits! 😮 I thought they were cute together, but the daughter was seen as being "sexualized" just because her mother was sexy in her swimsuit. 😮 Now, she wouldn't cause such a fuss. Instead, it would be about how great it is that Teri, at 59, still looks good in a swimsuit that matches her daughter's swimsuit! 😅
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
3:38 Mark! The irony here is that they want to enjoy a work of fiction as intended. If it were a real mystery, they would want to solve it as fast as possible without making mistakes because lives, probably theirs, are at stake! 😉
@christophercrane9540
@christophercrane9540 7 ай бұрын
A double shot of two of my favorite episodes back to back. As a kid who loved sci fi and Sherlock Holmes, I was in heaven.
@KingApeiron
@KingApeiron 7 ай бұрын
Questions about Data's personhood... a continuing plot, especially in this season.
@tadmurphy7436
@tadmurphy7436 7 ай бұрын
Oh Jen, you beautiful nerd. Out of all the reactions that I follow. Currently, I literally can't wait until you post next gen reactions. This was not Miss TV for me growing up. I guess I'm growing up it is misleading. It was my early / through mid twenties. So I literally grew up with reruns in the original series I'm a Star wars original Battlestar Galactica the original. So watch you enjoy this as much as you do like all of our generation did literally brings me joy. ❤️💚☘️🇺🇦
@patsow4797
@patsow4797 7 ай бұрын
Start date 2303.3 It was elementary my dear number one, that you would enjoy the first episode of your weekly instalment. Once again, much enjoyable, watching your reactions to Star Trek next gen. Keep up the good work will be waiting for your next instalment next weekend . 🖖😊🇨🇦
@silviofancyboy
@silviofancyboy 4 ай бұрын
i love that no matter how far-fetched or fucking weird the situation becomes that the crew finds themselves in, picard is always like 'yo thats literally nuts but lets all team up and dominate that fucking thing'. i love how they all have each others back and its like autobots lets roll out
@kevinlewallen4778
@kevinlewallen4778 7 ай бұрын
Forgive me if I repeat myself, but no reactor makes Star Trek fun the way Jen does. Thanks for this Jen!
@shanenolan5625
@shanenolan5625 7 ай бұрын
That was the guy from the rocketeer and that was teri hatcher , supermsn and lois. Desperate housewifes and she eas in bond . ( tomorrow never dies)
@e.d.2096
@e.d.2096 7 ай бұрын
🖖 The Trek may be long and perilous, but we must keep Trekking on! Go Next-Jen! 🖖
@arrjee3176
@arrjee3176 5 күн бұрын
23:00 The name 'Ronald B. Moore' on the panel is an Okudagram in-joke referencing screenwriter and producer Ronald D. Moore.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
6:05 Mark! This episode clarifies for some why semantics are so important! Others just became more spiteful with their attitude of "Why should I say what I mean and mean what I say?!" 😮 I hoped that they would do an episode with Picard as "Dixon Hill" in a "Sherlock Holmes" mystery with Data in a "Dixon Hill" mystery, as a contest, or just for fun, episode but it never happened. 😒
@brom00
@brom00 7 ай бұрын
Great reaction, Jen. There is an episode this season that tackles some of your questions about Data. You may have seen it by now. IMO. one if the best in the series.
@bigdream_dreambig
@bigdream_dreambig 7 ай бұрын
In my opinion, as soon as a creation _seems_ to be a living, self-aware entity, we should treat it as such -- for our sake as much as its own. Questions of whether or not it's "really" alive are irrelevant, and are likely unanswerable anyway.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
1:22 Mark! Jen the Gem, have you ever noticed the people in the Ready Room during that sequence? 🤔 To me, it looks like Data is moving about.
@Cam-yu8wy
@Cam-yu8wy 7 ай бұрын
Good timing with captain Okana right after seeing him in the Rocketeer 😁 Love that actor, damn near became became commander Riker
@ThePendragon1998
@ThePendragon1998 7 ай бұрын
Ten forward is called that because it is on deck ten, forward section (right on the front leading edge of the saucer section.)
@kerry-j4m
@kerry-j4m 7 ай бұрын
The addition of Whoopi and 10 forward was such a-GREAT-ideal.Whoopi had those nice cheeks when she smiled,good teeth and that nice brown skin,what a woman. LOL.
@bad-people6510
@bad-people6510 Ай бұрын
He's not just accessing the computer, he's tied into the computer. Remember he is being generated BY the ship's computer, he's part of it. That's why he's able to summon up information that it would have.
@ToastK421
@ToastK421 7 ай бұрын
Always look forward to Sundays because of these. So glad you are doing the Star Trek saga, also your enthusiasm and curiosity of the metaphysical questions it invokes really brings me back to being a kid talking about the latest episode or movie with my friends. Thanks Jen.
@DataCab1e
@DataCab1e 7 ай бұрын
The theme tune was shortened because two names were removed the the title sequence: Denise Crosby and Gates McFadden. Note that Diana Muldaur gets a "guest star" credit in the 1st act, leaving the doctor's credit absent from the intro.
@braddr1
@braddr1 7 ай бұрын
one of my favorite quotes, which isn't from star trek, but rather the terminator tv show. It captures a bit of the question of how capable is Data: Sarah Connor : There are things machines will never do; they cannot possess faith, they cannot commune with god, they cannot appreciate beauty; they cannot appreciate art. If they ever learn these things they won't have to destroy us. They'll be us.
@suproliver
@suproliver 7 ай бұрын
The girl who beamed the "rogue" guy onto the ship is actress Teri Hatcher. She was a Bond girl in Tomorrow Never Dies. Pierce Brosnan was James Bond. Teri Hatcher is also well known for her role as Lois Lane in the early 90s TV show: Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman. It went 4 seasons, I think. Teri Hatcher is also known for her other TV show she did later called Desperate Housewives. Oh, and a movie with Sylvester Stallone and Kurt Russell called Tango and Cash. -OG
@Haplo699g
@Haplo699g 7 ай бұрын
Tango and Cash is the most eighties action movie ever made, I love it. Unreservedly. I hope Jen reacts to it.
@pricemoore2022
@pricemoore2022 7 ай бұрын
AWESOME REACTION OF MY FAVORITE EPISODE OF STAR TREK THE NEXT GENERATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
@mattx449
@mattx449 7 ай бұрын
You should definitely react to the BBC Sherlock series.
@CCJJ160Channels
@CCJJ160Channels 7 ай бұрын
22:26- “Handle them right into bed.” 🤣
@Tiffinki
@Tiffinki 26 күн бұрын
Jen, you comment that you kind-of wish that the creators would show the Enterprise a little more. You're not alone; in Classic Trek at least, the starship consistently got more fan mail than all of the characters combined.
@Unpainted_Huffhines
@Unpainted_Huffhines 7 ай бұрын
"Commander Riker says you choose to live the way you do and you like it." I've always loved this line. It tells you Riker could've just as easily lived a life as a swashbuckling, womanizing, rogue adventurer, if he had made different choices.
@kerry-j4m
@kerry-j4m 7 ай бұрын
Gosh,I'd like to live the life of a swashbuckling,womanizing,rogue adventurer !!!! LOL. That'd be the GOOD life.
@Unpainted_Huffhines
@Unpainted_Huffhines 7 ай бұрын
@@kerry-j4m Okana sure seemed to be enjoying it.
@kerry-j4m
@kerry-j4m 7 ай бұрын
@@Unpainted_Huffhines Yeah,he was like a-WRECKING-ball going thru 3 female crew's quarters. LOL.
@bikeman1969
@bikeman1969 7 ай бұрын
Did you notice that when Moriarty handed data the drawing of the ship he walked out of the holodeck with it. It should have disappeared because it was not real matter but yet they have it in the briefing room.
@enterprise1701e
@enterprise1701e 7 ай бұрын
"Well, it's just that the unexpected is our normal routine."
@munsonman4520
@munsonman4520 7 ай бұрын
I'm loving watching Jen go through the Star Trek episodes I grew up watching with my dad. Fun bit of trivia: keep an eye on the console behind Worf in the wide shots. You'll see pieces of black paper taped to the console to prevent the stage lights from reflecting towards the cameras. It's one of those things you can't unsee once you've noticed it.
@JimmieRayGiboney
@JimmieRayGiboney 7 ай бұрын
24:13 Mark! Aha! You just witnessed the start of a big fight between "Star Warriors" and "Star Trekkers"! "Industrial Light & Magic" does special effects for both, so they are neutral! Yet, that perspective is lost in the emotional intensity of the ongoing fighting! The point is that ships with mere LASERs shouldn't be able to harm a "Starfleet" vessel as long as the navigational deflectors are functioning. In the DR version of "The Doomsday Machine" asteroids shatter to pieces on the hulk that was the "USS Constellation"! No shields are needed! Such a scene doesn't exist in the original version! So those two clues are used as evidence that a "Starship" defeats a "Star Destroyer"! But it isn't accepted by diehards at all! It is another point about semantics! A "Turbo Laser" isn't a mere "LASER" for example. The debate is stuck in a rut! 😮
@anonymes2884
@anonymes2884 7 ай бұрын
Does Data have a soul ? I don't think so personally. But then, I don't think _we_ do either :). He's certainly a conscious being though, which is surely what matters. (I used to live near where the actual HMS Victory is dry docked in the south of England and visited a few times - the ship's a museum nowadays and no longer seaworthy but _technically_ she's still commissioned in the Royal Navy, making her the oldest commissioned naval vessel in the world)
@over50gamer
@over50gamer 7 ай бұрын
I'm watching these reactions out of order. So imagine how shocked and pleasantly surprised i was that you were asking these questions before you saw the episode "The measure of a man", because the very questions you posed were actually asked in that episode. 😃😃😃
@elizandropedraza1286
@elizandropedraza1286 7 ай бұрын
Also can't wait until you react to Star Trek Generations movie ! 👍
@Ian-xx1xb
@Ian-xx1xb 7 ай бұрын
That thumbnail 😂something has definitely tickled your tum 😅 brilliant , always look forward to Sundays now 🖖 make it so Jen 💙
@MagicAl56
@MagicAl56 7 ай бұрын
The interesting thing is that just as you are pondering what Data is and what he is capable of, in these episodes, so is he. We really don't have a good way of defining sentience. Philosiphy has tried to define it, but the universe will continually press the boundaries. A big part of Star Trek through all of it's iterations has been to view humanity through the eyes of other types of beings, and each series has a regular character for that purpose. Spock (TOS), Data(TNG), Odo (DS9), The Doctor (VOY), etc. Two of these early series had artificial main characters, and they provide some of the most interesting episodes. As for Okona, humor isn't so much human as it is cultural. Take a person from another land, teach them to understand your language fluently and then tell them some jokes, and unless they are familiar with the cultural memes as well, most likely they will not understand what you are talking about.
@dillonlexington
@dillonlexington 7 ай бұрын
No spoilers for future episodes, but your questions will be questioned again in latter times. And a great episode
@mr.a8315
@mr.a8315 7 ай бұрын
Fine reactions, it's elementary, my dear Jen. 💜 🔌 (plug emoji was closest I could find to pipe) 😋
@coldwhite4240
@coldwhite4240 7 ай бұрын
2:18 "Inspector who?" No, Geordi, you're getting your sci-fi shows mixed up - that's Doctor Who! 🤣
@betsyduane3461
@betsyduane3461 7 ай бұрын
The GRASS is always greener, on the other side of the fence.
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