Jeran's Super Saturday Shill Slapdown Slogfest, Oh and 24 HR Antarctic Sun Facts

[@DaveMcKeegan]

Respect to Jeran for actually looking for the truth and calling out those who don't Although he described a shill as someone who gets in early like Dubay, and that he isn't a shill because he joined later ... Yet on multiple occasions has accused me of being a shill 🤔

[@daveg-Vancouver_Island]

lol

[@TheTruthHz]

He's a shill. He's just desperately trying to cling on to part of the grift. How he has the audacity to state that the 24 sun isn't a problem yet in the same breath say that I'm the earth "measures flat", is beyond me.

[@TheTruthHz]

​@@daveg-Vancouver_Island he's a shill, he's just desperate to cling to part of the grift. If he can say, in the same breath, that a 24 hour sun doesn't matter but that the earth "measures flat" ... he's a shill.

[@markwood1159]

It looks to me like he's _almost_ ready to acknowledge what he and every other flatty already knows but can't admit to themselves--that their faith is every bit as silly as all the friends they've lost have told them. He's still struggling but I hope he gets there. I'm still not convinced he'll actually go on the trip but I'd love to be wrong about that. And if he goes, I hope he'll then accept reality rather than grasping frantically for a new ad hoc explanation that he _thinks_ will explain away what he sees. Of course, his past denial of observed reality is still a concern. That said, I almost feel like Eric Dubay deserves thanks for being such a sh!+bag. It might just be the key to getting a few more flatties back to reality. And I do have to congratulate Jeran for finally recognizing it.

[@ShMokou]

>actually looking for the truth Feels more like he find the way exit flerf crap without reputational damage and also get a free trip. If he just "actually looking for the truth" he no need all of this.

[@axeman2638]

lol, flat earth eating itself, pass the popcorn.

[@SamualRobotham-IWasOnlyKidding]

🍿

[@Wolfie6020]

Well done Jeran. Pleasantly surprised and clearly his eyes have opened to how we see the flat Earth community. He is right. Why would anyone want to be part of a community that attacks its own members so viciously.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

Hey Wolfie, didn't you once offer Jeran a free trip down under a few years ago but he refused? It seems like he's finally seeing the caliber of people on both sides and having second thoughts of who his friends really are. It may be the realization of just how terrible the flerfs are that finally convinces him to abandon them.

[@Wolfie6020]

@@sendintheclowns7305 Yes it was quite a while back. I offered him a trip to Australia to watch the Sun on the Equinox and to join me on a flight from Sydney to Santiago or Johannesburg.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

I'm personally restraining my praise of him until AFTER he's gone down south. Let's see if the great flerf reset sets in when he realises that his money stream is gone.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

@@Wolfie6020 Jeran is seeing the flerf's true colors and has to be comparing them to the way he was treated by people like you. The old saying "you are judged by the company you keep" has him doubting his core beliefs. Your act of kindness may have done more that seeing a 24 hour sun ever will.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

@@Alysm-Aviation "Let's see if the great flerf reset sets in when he realises that his money stream is gone." I truly believe that Jeran could grow his channel as an "ex flat earther" far bigger that he could as a flerf.

[@thudthud5423]

The worst form of "blasphemy" against the Flat Earth cult that a Flat Earther can perpetrate is to put the Flat Earth cult's teachings to the test.

[@Soundbrigade]

A moslem in Saudi Arabia or Iran, officially leaving his moslem faith is safer that a flatearther questioning the flat earth "model".

[@hillside21]

Dubay's dismissal- "just an observation." When has Dubay ever experimented or done anything except just make assertions?

[@thecasualengineer99]

he has made 200 assertions, no proof needed coz he said so...

[@chriscasperson5927]

"I can't believe that leopards ate my face! Interesting..."

[@GlobetruthFU]

I offered Dubay and Sargeant and Jeran I think, free trips to Australia to witness experiments that demonstrate curvature a long time ago. Some minor stipulations. No need to to guess the outcome. Crickets.

[@tysondog843]

I live in Australia, what experiments? I tested the predictions of the Sunrise and set, including what direction you need to look to see them from Perth, Sydney and F'N' Qld... I've seen the Stars rotate around the Southern Celestial point from Melbourne and Perth. And, I got to see the Stars rotate around the Northern Celestial point from Scotland (yes, we had a clear night, I know...). And other stuff I wont bore you with. I'd love to try a different experiment if you don't mind sharing.

[@GlobetruthFU]

@@tysondog843 I agree with you, but do you think any flatwit would that as fact. You can add in the distance to the position of the sun at sunrise in say, Sydney. Approximately 17,500 km, That would mean the sun would be visible anywhere on earth every day. The actual azimuth of the rising summer sun viewed in Hobart (about ese) when the sun is still 2,200 km north on the tropic. All of this drawn on a flat map of course.

[@thecasualengineer99]

nah - australia doesn't exist,,, ha ha ha ha says TCE in an aussie teang

[@Katarn84]

Jeran here is ALMOST right. Dubai is not a shill, just a scammer.

[@Sableagle]

He's not _just_ a scammer, though. Check out the "lyrics" to that "Bruce" thing he did.

[@thudthud5423]

Dubay considers himself to be the "one true Flat Earth cult leader". He believes the Flat Earth cult belongs to him and him alone.

[@JSSTyger]

It just makes no sense for a guy to revive flat-Earth from the depths and be a shill.

[@Sol.Revolver1966]

Right, to be a shill he would have to be shilling for someone. Maybe certain other flerfs are shilling for Dubay, but I don’t see him as a shill.

[@garyk1334]

Jeranism " i didn't realise flat earthers were so dumb " 😂 Took you long enough to work it out dude

[@sendintheclowns7305]

When he realizes that many aren't dumb but just terrible people he may abandon his fantasy.

[@logic.and.reasoning]

He's a globe reality dude already...he's just figuring out how to open the closet door... Good luck to him for being honest.

[@hopmajibhohepeajibho7595]

Nah, he won't believe in the globe again. At least in the nearest future after the experiment. Religion, globe, flat earth are just milestones in the search of truth for him and it's unlikely that he will look back. Probably would end up believing that all is some kind of Trueman's show or stimulation

[@wishusknight3009]

@@hopmajibhohepeajibho7595 Sadly you may be right.

[@TheTruthHz]

I don't believe he's being honest. I think he's just trying to hang on to the revenue he's getting without having to back out completely.

[@MrOttopants]

@@TheTruthHz Jeran should know that if he does this sort of attack on other flat earthers, it will probably really increase his views, because normal people will watch to see flerfs go at each others' necks.

[@TheTruthHz]

@@MrOttopants it's the car crash tv syndrome. I bet he's raking it in right now.

[@b0b5m1th]

So Jism can see the end of his grift, and is jumping ship. Lol

[@MrRolnicek]

Oh no jeranism is honest. I'd put money on that. He really believes what he's saying and he's genuinely only just realizing that the other flat earthers don't.

[@dankieran5936]

The pool balls are spherical, lit in such a way that I know the light source isn't directly overhead. Each ball has a smooth surface as indicated by the specular highlight unlike the moon which doesn't have a specular highlight and has never been claimed to have a smooth surface and need a specular highlight as a result but is always lit in the direction of the sun. I can see the edge of the pool table and rising in elevation doesn't reveal more and more of it, I'm directly seeing the demarcation line edge and easily distinguish where the edge is, unlike Earth the physical nowhere to be seen or touched. I could go into more detail but you get the point!

[@FlatEarthMath]

How come globers don't call out other globers for being shills? Hmmm, maybe we're on the side of truth?

[@jimsmith7212]

It really goes without saying that we are all NASA shills.

[@do_notknow_much]

I've seen numerous times where Globe content creators will admit about making an error and correct their mistakes. Flerfers will not, or they will make excuses, move the goalposts, come up with bogus claims or just take down a video without any admittance of wrong doing.

[@FlatEarthMath]

@@do_notknow_much Exactly. Personally, I believe that most Flat Earth folks *subconsciously* know the Earth is a globe. And they'll self-sabotage to avoid their *conscious* mind discovering the truth, to avoid cognitive dissonance.

[@ReinoGoo]

We are on the side of geometry. The sky has two halves, above and below horizontal. And both halves are above MSL.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

I have repeatedly called out globers when they've made mistakes when arguing with flerfs. When I've explained their mistake they have said, without exception, "Oh, that make sense thanks" or something similar. You NEVER see such behavior with the flerfs, they will frag their fellow flerf at the drop of a hat.

[@daveg-Vancouver_Island]

The sun moves faster in convenient spots and slower when I need it to, to explain my model! Hahahahahaha -Eric Dubay!

[@whereswa11y]

@@daveg-Vancouver_Island Banjo is also a big advocate of “it needs to therefore it does” cope.

[@david_akerman]

@@whereswa11y Flerfs have only one absolute "fact", which is "erf is flat". If something is incompatible with that "fact", then they either reject it outright (e.g. gravity) or they apply "erf is flat therefore it's perfectly compatible" (e.g. celestial navigation).

[@thecasualengineer99]

it bever gets old coz it so amusing,

[@cougar02000]

It sounds like Jeran is finding his way out of the flat earth rabbit hole, it shouldn't be long now before he rejoins reality, hopefully very soon, good luck to him, he's more than welcome back in to the real sphere shaped world.

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

The pool table analogy always made me laugh. They say the pool table represents earth. No, the pool table represents SPACE, the cue ball represents earth.

[@robbarton7972]

Yes, If you want to know the shape of an object you measure the the object not a table.

[@GeistView]

I like how when a FE uses that pool table meme they have to argue the sun rolls across the ground. Same thing when it comes to the coin and the table. The coin is touching the table moving in a straight path on the table surface. Now make it do a circle 1' above the table and see if it looks like the suns motion.

[@axeman3d]

I would be fascinated to know what this 'sun simulator' is and how it works. I cannot imagine how you hide the actual nearest star and create an exact replica that powers the planet and behaves exactly like the real thing.

[@whereswa11y]

@@axeman3d the patent that they were first talking about when the sun simulator was at max COPE it was a lighting setup designed to help test and certify satellites prior to launch. The setup was to light the test area that was effectively a 20 x 20 x 20 foot cube with light that closely matched sunlight in orbit. That was the patent description.

[@thecasualengineer99]

@@whereswa11y the sun simulator seems to make them set COPE to dull powet

[@joewhip9303]

Does it mean the Earth isn’t flat? Yep.

[@larryscott3982]

And don’t forget, Jeran proposed an observation of San Clemente Is that was: see the island silhouette flat, don’t see the island silhouette globe. He didn’t see the island silhouette in the setting then abandoned any conclusion

[@JSSTyger]

Ex Flat--Earthers 1) STST 2) Ranty 3) Rachie 4) Jeran Grifters for life 1) Eric Dubay

[@freddan6fly]

Too stupid to grasp the experiment: LEO Mikey "spaggetti-oh" Anthony Riley Nathan Thomson Nathan Oakley and all the rest.

[@doely8825]

⁠@@freddan6flyOakley isn’t too stupid. He knows flat earth is nonsense

[@theturtlemoves3014]

When they turned from flat earth, they were welcomed by the normal people. Also add DIRTH to the Grifters - He would sooo much money, and have to get a real job. What could he do: sell used cars?

[@thecasualengineer99]

is it just me or is that list exit slowly growing?

[@pierreboissonneault]

@@theturtlemoves3014 Sure, he might be no. 1 used car seller.

[@davidkeller6156]

Listening to Dubay, I’d like him to explain the mechanism by which the sun speeds up as it moves south to the Tropic of Capricorn and slows down as it moves back to the north. What is this magical force? Fairy dust? The Force? Magical incantations?

[@glennledrew8347]

Not to give any support to flerfdom, but this velocity change could be explained as being related to the phenomenon of a pendulum. For a pendulum of given length (and in a field of given acceleration), the period is independent of amplitude. Small swing or large (if not extreme), the frequency of those swings is unchanged. Of course, in application to the Sun there would require to be a field of some kind which imparts an acceleration upon it, and some constraint against that field to keep the Sun at a fixed height. Furthermore, there must be an additional input of energy to keep the Sun from spiraling inward and eventually sitting above the North pole forever.

[@markwood1159]

Before the _mechanism,_ I'd be more interested in _why_ we don't _observe_ these necessary changes in speed. If it doesn't happen (and it doesn't), then we don't need a mechanism to explain it. Rather, we need an explanation of how this model could work without it.

[@do_notknow_much]

@@glennledrew8347 ...But bring in angular size and angular speed measurements and two or more observers at different locations on Earth's surface. Flat planed earth's sun is easily debunked.

[@shuggiemcg1]

Good luck top him, he's finally realizing the truth and is willing to go and find out the truth for himself and believe what the results tell him!

[@acefox1]

Oh man, Jeran really has himself painted into a corner. I am glad to see Jeran is pushing his chips all-in on the results of a 24 hour Sun in Antarctica. I don’t know if he’s ready for the inevitable backlash when TFE destroys flerfs’ pre-selected conclusions.

[@rossrosco4544]

Do they not get that we in Australia see the summer sun rise in the South East & set in the South West ??? Who needs to go to Antarctica ?????

[@kennethschultz6465]

JAREN WILL COM'E AROUND... AND HE WILL BE FLAT EARTH'S GREATEST OPPONENT WHEN HE SEE THE 24 HOUR SUN.. AND HE WILL CRUSH DUBAY..

[@Petey194]

It's good he's confronting what this observation would mean for the FE model.

[@larryscott3982]

45 minutes! I guess it’s replete with Jeran versus Flerfs.

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

You can look up at the corner of the ceiling from a point on the floor an equal ammount away from a plumbed wall as the wall is high. If the angle isnt 45 degrees, you know if the floor is level.

[@JSSTyger]

Eric Dubay, the author of Pullitzer prize material like "Flat-lantis."

[@freddan6fly]

Even without the final experiment flat earth is impossible due to science and simple things like sunset, time zones, GPS, seasons, satellites, space photos, measured curvature, measured rotation, compasses, gyro compasses, German Equatorial Mounts, etc. Edit: The cope from Jeran is astonishing.

[@steve_6_4_64]

I have said the be for, "I think Jeran is going to Antarctica as a way out of Flat Earth."

[@shegocrazy]

Jeran is confident in declaring the trip will be cancelled or the 24hr sun will not be observed. Will he turn if both are proved wrong?

It almost seems, like the Final experiment really is final, but in a different way than we thought. Observing FE collapse in real time is worth it. We should document and remember every moment. For everybody to see, how vacuous the whole FE "movement" actually is.

[@DouglasJenkins]

I'm not sure if Jeran will become a normal person and accept globe earth if he observes a 24 hour sun, He still sees a "spinning globe in space" as silly. However, if he begins to piece together his "interesting" observation with this new bit of personal info, he may make some headway into normal truth. Also, thanks to the reactions of the flerf community, he will be forced to make further inquiry. I find the flerf stiff personal incredulity and/or mantra of "I have to observe it" as major stumbling block to understanding. They refuse to accept scientific Laws, Theories, and knowledge simply because of a distrust of government or those they assume are tied to that authority. Meanwhile, as Jeran has revealed, he came to FE because he listened/read Dubay's work, and 'trusted' his work. Maybe Jeran will choose wisely about which community of 'experts' or 'authorities' upon which he will accept his future 'truth.'

[@whereswa11y]

@@DouglasJenkins nah… his denial ofGPS later in the show brings normality back

[@tussk.]

Jeran will admit that the current flat earth model is impossible, but he will simply invent another one where the 24h sun is necessary

[@multigerbs550]

Exactly! Jeran has been at this a lot longer than most of this crew of nutters. He's a full bore conspiracy nut who will sometimes revise his position but everything remains a conspiracy of some kind, more evidence of the globe won't convince him. Now he's going to Antartica which on a previous position flip either didn't exist or anyone going there would be killed.

[@spazbog123]

For a bunch of people who have supposed unshakable faith, they sure do be pancaking and making a lot of excuses for something that their faith says isn't possible and the earliest they will be challenged on it is 6 months away.

[@ekimnosettam]

And Jeran's Farewell to the Flat Earth tour continues. He is definitely laying the groundwork for his upcoming former flerf channel.

[@tlewis84able]

He sees that the end is near for flat earth and doesn’t want to look a fool when it happens.

[@GeistView]

@23:03 Why is the camera outside the dome? Why is the light outside the dome? Shouldn't the camera and light be INSIDE the glass hemisphere?

[@the-flatulator]

I rise from my seat, stand upright, offer my admiration and salute Jeran. I'm a glober and give credit where credit it due.

[@bigJovialJon]

Props to Jeran for being willing to take a stand.

[@icansciencethat]

Jeran is welcome back to reality, but he needs to leave his toxic homophobia behind.

[@doely8825]

Yea, the homophobia is a bit over the top. I can’t help think that it’s a part of why he thinks the earth is flat in the first place

[@duncanmcneill7088]

I disagree. He might come back to reality but he’s not welcome.

[@titanshub]

Rofl, if jeran actually goes to Antarctica to see the 24hr sun this is gonna be 🔥.

[@mikefochtman7164]

I do appreciate that Jaran is trying to be open about this. Yes, if the Gleason map doesn't explain a 24 hour sun, then it's reasonable to toss out that map as a true representation of the world. Does this perfectly prove a globe? Perhaps not, but it disproves the most common 'map' that flat-earthers believe. A true investigator would note that there are a variety of phenomena that all fit together and are cohesively explained by the globe, whereas flat-earth models require all sorts of unproven 'hypothesis'. Things like 'sun simulators', 'dome projections (that somehow have been performed for centuries before human flight)', 'kinematic perspective' that has no math so support. If nothing else, Occam's Razor suggests that the model which explains all our observations in the simplest way, is likely the correct one.

[@WalterBislin]

The 24 hour sun below the 66° latitude south in a CC direction does not depend on any map. It depends on the shape of the earth, no matter the distribution of the continents. So no matter what flat earth map ever will be presented, it never can explain 24 hour sun below 66° south latitude. It’s not a matter of map, it’s a matter of the geometry of the earth.

[@MrOttopants]

@@WalterBislin Shane St. Pierre is still going around with that absurd model from your page. I think he's taken any reference to you off of it though. Now he just acts like it's his own.

[@markwood1159]

@@WalterBislin I think you left out an important detail. A flat-earth model _could_ explain a 24-hour sun at _either_ the north pole or the south pole; it can't explain _both._ Most flatties already acknowledge that it happens in the north but I can foresee at least a few of them deciding to flip their "model" and start pretending that it's the north pole where it doesn't happen once they can no longer deny it happening in the south. Yes, it would be a ridiculous claim to make, but that hasn't ever stopped them before.

[@federicogiana]

@@WalterBislin I never thought I'd write these words, but I respectfully disagree with you. Whether or not the 24-hour Antarctic sun or southern star trails are possible on a flat Earth is a function of the model. Sure, the Rowbotham-style flat-earth system proposed by Eric Dubay is incompatible with a 24-hour Antarctic sun, but it also relies on outright magic to pretend it's compatible with basically everything else except time zones and parallel circumnavigation. Flatearth gurus could just as easily come up with another system with a new bit of magic to explain sun angles. Logic or plausibility is already out the window with their current system, so one that's a little crazier won't make much difference. Although they'll probably just shrug and deny and carry on as if nothing has happened, as they've done countless times over the last century and a half. Where we should focus is on the curvature of the Earth, as this is the true defining characteristic of a flat Earth, regardless of the model in question. Although I have no idea what we (or Jeranism, unwittingly) could do to show the curvature of the Earth that we haven't already done a million times.

[@WalterBislin]

@@federicogiana I think we mean the same. Yes, the appearance of the sun is a function of the model = shape of the earth, but not a function of any map. To restate: What I say is that on our globe earth there will be 24 h sun south of 66 S latitude for 6 month no matter whether there are continents on earth or not. This is a property of earths shape, not of earths map = continent layout. The layout of the continents (map) has nothing to do with what the sun is apparently doing. So whatever the sun would do on FE does also not depend on the layout of landmasses (the map). It only depends on the geometric shape (flat) and whatever phantasy properties flerfs come up with for the sun. So the FE argument „we don’t know the exact map yet“ to explain 24 h sun is a non-sequitur. The map (exact layout of the landmasses) is irrelevant for the behaviour of the sun. It would only depend on the location on the plane, no matter whether there is land or not. The sun would do the same on any map of the flat earth.

[@FerretWarlord1]

Just one problem: If Jeran were truly following the evedince, he'd have ditched flerfism after saying, "Interesting..."

[@tysondog843]

I have no sympathy for Jeran, he made his bed, now he's having to lie in it... He has lied, and lied, and called others liars for demonstrating how his claims wrong with evidence. You reap what you sow, as they say. "I found out Atheism is a religion..." he can't stop lying... No sympathy, I just hope he learns his lesson. And he needs to Earn some respect, because he deserves none right now.

[@DanDaMan73]

Buddy I completely understand what you’re saying. But… at least we have to give him some props for doing something to find out fe is a thing or not. He got ridiculed for his “interesting…” experiment, from his fellow flerfs. And got called a shill for going to Antarctica, and telling if the sun sets, it’s not a flat erf. So at least for that he started getting some respect from my side. Nevertheless, let’s see how it goes 😅

[@frankdebrouwer-leiden]

@@DanDaMan73 I think that Jeranism is on the brink of becoming a glober. The only thing that prevents him from admitting it is his income from his flat earth channel.

[@Sherwoody]

@@frankdebrouwer-leiden there could also be a faith issue. If he’s wrong about one thing, what else is he wrong about.

[@DanDaMan73]

@@frankdebrouwer-leiden I honestly hope this will not hold him back. You always can do something else. Better then living a lie?

[@realharnold]

Escaping a cult isn't easy. If he's starting to come around, let's not make it any harder than it is by rubbing his face in the past. He'll handle that in his own way as he continues through the recovery process.

[@chassetterfield9559]

To quote Jeran himself; " Interesting! ..... "

[@chassetterfield9559]

It takes a man to even admit that they are starting to doubt that they had been correct. You can sort of see it in Bob Knodel, when he is talking about the results of his ring laser gyroscope experiment, in retrospect.

[@DiscoPumpkin]

Go Jeran!!!! Never thought I would say that!

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

Jeran: If I go, someone will unalive me. Also Jeran: Stop telling my wife that someone will unalive me.

[@farmersboy]

"We know what the Sun does." Except you don't Jeran.

[@magohl]

Jeran at 28:04... Well we have all known for quite some time 😅

[@maxmac7845]

Jeren honestly believes the flat Earth model is correct...for now. He is a hairsbreadth away from switching sides.

[@multigerbs550]

Nah he's just a grifter there's an old video of him stating that he thinks "evolution is true" that "religion is just a control mechanism" and that Jesus can "suck my d*ck".

[@Seafarer-Ade]

Jeran isn't stupid. He knows the grift is over but he knows he can't admit he's been lying all this time. What we're seeing here is him building his exit from FE.

[@vibemunster]

100%, he knows the game is up and trying to exit with some credibility, its so obvious, such a slimy character lol.

[@thecasualengineer99]

i hope this is true - and the scalp count continues to grow

[@paulcurtis5317]

So, they knew about it in 1904, they couldn't explain it only to find,120 years later, that it was CGI all along, or possibly a projection, or maybe a sun simulator, well I'll go to the foot of our stairs!🥺

[@batvetone]

I would love somebody explain me what they are about with the "wobbling"? Precession?

[@SuperPrDude]

Jeran wants out of this fe bs and he's doing it the best way for him.... which is, giving the Final Experiment ALL the credit it deserves.

[@doranku]

Atheism is a religion? If true anything is a religion, i just realised i religiously dont collect stamps.

[@Sherwoody]

OMG…is nothing sacred?

[@chriscasperson5927]

I love how Jism thought "AtHeIsM sAiD iT hAd AlL tHe AnSwErS!" No, Jism. Atheism is one question: "Does any god exist?" and withholds belief until evidence of ANY god's existence is presented.

[@doranku]

@@chriscasperson5927 as a non practicing atheïst I don't even ask the question 'does any god exist", I just haven't any reason to think any of the proposed ones exist, especially the personal gods that want to have a relation according to its believers, I keep missing the obvious signs apparently, as if they don't exist.

[@MrOttopants]

@@doranku One thing that online believers don't get is that not believing in god is about at the bottom of the list of things that influence my choices. "Oh, god doesn't exist, so I'll do this." No, it doesn't work like that. I tell believers that it is the expectation that believers should base every remotely meaningful decision in their life on what their god thinks. But I don't believe, and I just never did, so I have other ideas I rely on for coming to conclusions about how things work in the world, and how I should act.

[@icansciencethat]

Going out on a limb here, Jeran probably joined an online atheist discussion group. He's just bouncing from cult to cult. That's who he is.

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

Whats interesting is Jeran didn't expose himself as a shill.

[@AkatarawaJapan]

“If there is an observation that’s impossible in our model…” says Jeran. Yeah bravo Mr Truthseeker, but you have already wilfully ignored or lied about countless observations that are impossble in your model, so why is the 24hr sun suddenly so important? Also, what model? You have never had a coherent model. Never. Not even close. Please just accept that undeniable fact and let’s go from there. You. Don’t. Have. A. Model.

[@thecasualengineer99]

I will give Jeran cred for his words, it will be his actions after the fact that will judge and perhaps brand him for life.

[@dnomyarnostaw]

Ex.Fukin.Zacly. So obvious really.

[@bornasmeh]

It's about time, Jerry! I knew you had it in you...

[@maguth2685]

I'am impressed.

[@GeistView]

Dubay has never been to Barrow Alaska. By his logic since he has never seen the Artic Midnight Sun he cant prove it happens. How does he know all the videos of Artic Midnight Sun are not fakes?

[@kwiebusch]

Would it be an idea to have a live channel during the experiment/the dates of the voyage at one point where a central figure connects/invites people around the world to show Live with their cams/phones what the light/sun situation is, with some kind of proof, DAB+ radio showing time and date, GPS, NTP server or something?

[@TheRealNewWhirledOrder]

What's even more important than the shape of the earth is that I have NEVER seen any evidence that "space" is what we've been told it is and NEITHER HAS ANYONE ELSE.

[@mikep9604]

You can literally see space when you look at the stars in the night sky.

[@TheRealNewWhirledOrder]

@@mikep9604 "You can literally see space when you look at the stars in the night sky." Right. I didn't say that there wasn't something up there that's been called "space" that we can see when we look up. What I said was that I have NEVER seen any evidence that "space" is what we've been told it is and NEITHER HAS ANYONE ELSE. Including you.

[@TheRealNewWhirledOrder]

@@mikep9604 "stars" The sun is, supposedly, a "star". Regarding the sun, try to find a working demonstration of a heat and light source heating and lighting a surface while the distance between that heat and light source and surface is left cold and dark. Try to find some evidence that light, and heat, can travel as far as they say they can (millions and millions and millions and millions of miles) and then, again, while leaving its path both cold and dark.

[@TheRealNewWhirledOrder]

@@mikep9604 Try to find a demonstration of an atmosphere, or a pressurized environment, alongside a vacuum with no physical barrier between the two. Try to find a demonstration of a gradient pressure system withstanding a vacuum.

[@TheRealNewWhirledOrder]

@@mikep9604 We are told that the deepest anyone has ever drilled into the surface of the earth is roughly eleven kilometres (6.35 miles) down yet we are also told that the core of the earth is twenty nine hundred kilometres down. Earthquakes are measured with a seismograph up to a depth of only seven hundred kilometres. Ground penetrating radar can only reach a maximum depth of one hundred feet (or thirty meters) in dry, low conductivity, materials and that is in the best of conditions. It's usually much less. Try to find some evidence that verifies that the core of the earth is made of and doing what they tell us that it is made of and doing. Also, how are they able to tell us what supposed planets and stars that are supposedly millions and billions of supposed light years away are composed of right down to their supposed cores?

[@John.0z]

I think I am going to have to make a gentle comment on Jeran's feed. 😁

[@chriscasperson5927]

Now that I've got my snark out, a prediction: When Jism jumps flat Erf, he will jump head first into Geocentrism. Why? Because he's a contrarian.

[@DanDaMan73]

It’s possible, but I don’t think so. But we will see. For me it looks Jeran is serious a flat earther. Nothing more nothing less. But we will see soon! 😉

[@MrOttopants]

He is definitely a contrarian. Which means that the way to get Jeran to convert is probably to start having everyone say that he'll never convert.

[@DanDaMan73]

@@MrOttopants but in my opinion, we don’t have to convert him. If he is what he claims, a truth seeker, then he does it by himself. If the sun is up and rotating 360 above him. If the sun sets, I will convert. 😉

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

Sounds like a honest prediction.

[@babotond]

17:55 did he say schillings ( or shillings, lol ) instead of shekels? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@doranku]

Shillings were the Austrian currency til the replacement by the Euro. Maybe jeranism is a fan of Austria? Maybe he like the Austrian Alps or admire it painters?

[@awatt]

​@@doranku Britain used shillings till fifty years ago.

[@doranku]

​@@awattI'm not old enough to know that. Well I must have seen it used in movies from that era, but it wasnt a association I made.

[@FutureWorldX]

hey Wally, have any of the flerfs made a reaction video or responded to McToon's video where he said that he will delete every video and only keep the one where he declares that the Earth is flat?

[@ShMokou]

INTERESTING~

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

Lady Blunt? Thats Snoop Dogg's wife, right?

[@LordNerfherder]

Dubay moved to thailand due to him not wanting to need accountability towards his US audience who pays for it.

[@johnnyragadoo2414]

Jeran has all the information he needs to know earth isn't flat. Paradoxically, my opinion of him has gone up a little. He's a long, long way from someone I would trust, but is there a glimmer of integrity?

[@Atlas6355_]

Hope this works as a wake up call to Jeran! He will soon realize that he makes part of a very toxic community 😖

[@MrOttopants]

I don't think toxicity bothers Jeran. He's also somewhat of a bigot and slimeball himself.

[@Atlas6355_]

@@MrOttopants 💯

[@icansciencethat]

Jeran is toxic himself... what was with that irrelevant attack on Dubay living in Thailand? Just a toxic homophobic rant. Utterly toxic. I mean... some folks don't approve of homosexuality, but Jeran jumps full on the toxic train.

[@markwood1159]

@@MrOttopants While I agree, I think that any step toward the light, no matter how small, is a good thing. We don't know where that small step might lead and maybe nothing else about him will change. Then again, it could be the step that starts him on the path toward not just reality, but decency as well. Many of us have believed things in the past that we'd be ashamed of, now. Like you, I'm still skeptical that Jeran will change in any meaningful way but he's giving me a tinge of hope.

[@CuriousBipedal]

Maybe I was wrong about Jeran. He seems to see more clearly now. Have any other Flerfs admitted that a 24 hour sun falsifies derp? His appraisal of Flerfs (whose only experiment is to move goal posts in novel ways) to be liars is evidence that Jeran sees clearly now.

[@sandman4198]

The final experiment was meant to take 2 globers and 2 flerfs....currently it's feeling like 3 globers and 1 flerf...

[@mikep9604]

Flat earthers are desperate. They don't accept that flat earth is crumbling and now they are turning against Jeran. This is going to be 'Skyfall' for flat earthers. "This is the end Hold your breath and count to ten... Let the sky fall When it crumbles... Face it all together At Skyfall." - Skyfall

[@joewhip9303]

Only a truther could claim that not believing in god is somehow a religion.

[@markwood1159]

As much as I hate that claim, I kind of get where it comes from. If he walked away from religion and the community he found was just as dogmatic in their non-belief as the believers had been, I can see how that would make him start to wonder if he made the wrong choice. It's hard to deny that such atheists exist. I've certainly met a few and I dislike them just as much as I dislike the religious fundies. I don't think they're the majority of atheists (not even close) but it certainly could have seemed that way if those are the atheists Jeran met. Really, I think he just wasn't yet ready to give up his faith and so a few dogmatic atheists were the trigger to send him back. It takes some of us longer than others to walk away. I still have my doubts about Jeran, but I have hope for him. He seems to be struggling and seems to feel a genuine need to hold on to some sort of faith. Any small steps he takes away from it, though, I see as good.

[@jomariano37]

he's sooooo close....

[@AT2Productions]

4:45 Jeran is right about one thing, a shill does get in early. But you know what people like him are? The ones that come immediately after - grifters. Perpetuating the lie for profit and gain, that’s Jeran and many others.

[@BGTats144]

How is atheism a religion if the main thing about being an atheist is not believing in religion make that make sense??

[@stuartolive3600]

He's probably conflating cult with religion.

[@sendintheclowns7305]

The only difference between an atheist and a religious person is the atheist doesn't believe in 1 additional god.

[@Alysm-Aviation]

​@@sendintheclowns7305 depending on the religion it might be even more than that :)

[@Darryl.M]

Hello Wally

[@westsidegirlreacts]

You want to like him then his hate at 13:00 shows who he really is.

[@doranku]

I have never been there (and most likely never will) but the country appears to have beautiful landscapes, a rich culture and history and friendly people. But of course you need to focus on a minority that you don't agree with and demonize your opponent by suggestions of guilt by association.

[@MrOttopants]

Jeran acts like he's having his freedom curtailed, and that he's being oppressed. He obviously doesn't care about those things unless it's affecting him. I guess he's just another bigot who is happy to feed into discrimination and oppression of others, just as long as it's not being done to him. It's almost like he's doing that in this video. He's trying to get people to pick on Eric instead of him. Similar deflection, but not exactly the same.

[@realcygnus]

Cool, I guess, that Jeran is finally trying to break away from the gross gross FE grift. But my question to him is, why TF would he even still want Witsit to hold his wee wee in the tent, when after his recent debate with Prof. Dave during his own review of it, he actually doubled down on his BEYOND infantile magic skywindow that's simply based on directions bro, explanation for opposite pole startrail rotations, that literally somehow makes CW = CCW ?! In all seriousness, it's so dumb & objectively incorrect, EVEN to ANY 3rd grader, that it makes even Flatzoid himself seem like an absolute genius FFS.

[@noneofyourbusiness7055]

One would expect having Jism's experience in the flerf of cult would set off an awful lot of alarm bells, red flags, lightbulbs and coin drops. But nahh that globe model that actually fits that observation spins so it's silly so let's side with the reality deniers instead.

[@Frazemac1]

This is hilarious

[@mikefochtman7164]

Dubay asserts 'dawn and dusk' act differently in the south. But he's only comparing northern latitudes with the tropics. Even Sydney is only 33S. Go farther south, say Punta Arenas and you're STILL not as far from the equator as Oslo. But Dubay just lies through his teeth, knowing most won't bother to investigate his claims (and of course anyone that DOES, get's called a 'shill')

[@federicogiana]

IIRC Punta Arenas' latitude is 53° S, comparable to Hambourg, Germany (53.5° S). Dubay's followers are gated by fact-checking: almost nothing he says has any basis in reality, and what little he gets right doesn't mean what he says it means.

[@ShawnHawkins666-33]

Jeran blocked me on his channel for saying that he looks like a narc. Lol

[@briankane6547]

WHO the hell's Jompernay Ramsey? Likewise a Stawmn? Is thatsaly, one word? That's NOT Gibber ISH it's pure bloody GIBBER!

[@markh-thai]

All these FE YT’ers are now only protecting their income stream and not the truth! Look’s like Jeran is the only one seeking truth.

[@hellomike]

There is almost a decade worth of vile & horrible flerfs in video's, probably most of them due to Oakley. So the fact that flerfs are under vile attack themselves doesn't surprise me. They are as rigid, inflexible and stationary as their own made up model.

[@doely8825]

You have to give respect to jeran for at least admitting that he could be wrong. The rest of the flat earth cult on the other hand hold flat earth as a religious position and will never be convinced

[@thecasualengineer99]

@Whereswa11y this must be your longest vid EVER! As for eric,, forever little in mind and action.

[@TheTruthHz]

Somebody needs to explain to Jeran the difference between a religion and a cult.

[@ruud9767]

Jeran is a hypocrite. He's just positioning himself as the new high priest of the improved flat earth model.

[@JohnnyD_cm]

Jeran? Finally saying something that globers have known for 2500 years? And finally admitting that flat earthers are dumb?!? AND ripping Erica "Downward Dog" Duvet a new one???!? Is he on the turn?!?!?

[@joewhip9303]

A lot of hate with Jeran. Let gays live their lives.

[@nicholasgloc8555]

Jerans hypocrisy is laughable when he sleights another idiot flatearther who refuses to admit that an observation contradicts and is impossible on their flatearth model when he himself did exactly that with his "experiment" with a light shinning through a hole proving curvature but still refused to accept the conclusion of a curved earth but could only muster "interesting". Also stating that they are liars and embarrassing, very rich.

[@smallduck1001001]

Jeran, what did science ever do to you to make you think it's a religion? Maybe just stop listening to those communicators and read scientific papers. At least maybe after you find out the flat earth is a lie. Maybe one day Jeran will realize that people who are saying "everyone but me is lying to you" are the ones most likely to be lying to you.

[@joecantdance494]

FFS, the debunking community are going to wet themselves when Jeren moves over. It's just pathetic at this stage. Why aren't you calling him out? Why are you giving him a pass? HE KNOWS IT'S A GLOBE. Why are you not going after his channel, and all the flat earth channels? Why? Because it's box office for you too.

[@glennledrew8347]

When any FE 'authority' who once contributed to the falling into rabbit holes by other people (such as someone close to me) comes around to rejecting the guff, it gives us hope that this could help to disabuse their victims of the lies also.

[@billybowden7079]

There can be many reasons for debunking flat Earth - for me, I just don't like people spreading ignorance and misinformation - but I'm not denying that it's also entertaining. I also have respect for Jeran for taking a principled stand on this one issue when most of his contemporaries have not. He didn't have to and most of his (paying) audience seem to hate him for it.

[@vibemunster]

Jism is in serious damage control lol, he knows the game is up and trying to get out with some sort of credibility, not buying it Jizz.