Has Keir Starmer got it wrong on winter fuel? Feat. Belinda de Lucy & Bobby Seagull | Storm Huntley

From this autumn, older people in England and Wales - who are not on pension credit or other means-tested benefits - will no longer get annual winter fuel payments, worth between £100 and £300.
A vote on the issue is being tabled next week, but several Labour MPs have publicly criticised the decision and may even vote against it.
Yesterday Keir Starmer had to defend his plan during Prime Minister's Questions...
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[@alanlesser1349]

Why doesn’t any mention the MPs winter allowance on their second homes

[@Moonlightsonata-o8r]

Many of us have older parents and grandparents And it’s our duty to take care of them it’s the human thing to do The same way it’s our duty and the human thing to do when we look after our children and disabled It’s our duty and human to take care of the vulnerable people in this country

[@annofcleavers5791]

What a silly question,has he got it wrong,imagine yourself as an old person sitting in a cold house,frightened to even boil the kettle to much,its discusting and heartbreaking,end of story.

[@jonathanhill9504]

As a 29 year old, I'm struggling to imagine sitting in my own house

[@annofcleavers5791]

​@@jonathanhill9504Understood,however your young enough for your fortunes and opportunities to change,old people don't get any more chances do they. I wish you well in your endeavours,don't give up on your hopes and dreams.

[@hughiemg2]

​@@annofcleavers5791two words... Equity release.

[@annofcleavers5791]

​@@hughiemg2Do you know anything about how it works? Can be an absolute minefield.

[@hughiemg2]

@@annofcleavers5791 I do, and I agree it could be optimised to work better. That said it definitely has a part to play. Pensioners who are asset rich but cash poor are still rich. its unrealistic to expect current tax payers to foot the bill of a burgeoning pension and NHS bill to maintain an aging populating just so they canringfence the inheritance of their children.

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

There is some very wealthy tv presenters as well and they are the one who seem to hate helping the pensioners

[@jeanrees5885]

Shame on you labour

[@vikingfrog7204]

No he's got it right, what he's got wrong is the threshold for receiving it. It shouldnt just be those on pension credit. There's plenty in need of it who aren't eligible for pension credit as that threshold needs raising! More pensioners should receive pension credit

[@hilarydavis3606]

I'm three pounds over the limit

[@vikingfrog7204]

@@hilarydavis3606 exactly my point it's disgusting, what the hell does £3 get you? You can't even get a coffee for that anymore. You should get the pension credit.

[@hilarydavis3606]

I can't afford to go out for coffee and I'm a young pensioner of 18 months. It's people in their eighties and nineties I feel sorry for. If Nigel was in I'd try and get back into the NHS for a couple of days a week where I worked for 32 years as a medical secretary....boost my income up and to hell with the liebour party 🥳​@@vikingfrog7204

[@James_Doyle83]

This proves my point my parents did get heating allowance and never spent it on heating so I'm sick of the people who say all pensioners need it when there are plenty of young people struggling to pay and heat their homes too not not some pensioners

[@DiscoDave-yt9dq]

Yes it's people just over the extremely low fresh old that are really affected by this cancelled payment None of the MP,s got survived on £1100 a year😮​@@hilarydavis3606

[@denisjones7836]

Pensioners spending their £200 help the economy. Removing it has taken millions out of the economy at a stroke.

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

I’m afraid it is paid to greedy energy companies who are profiteering from all of us. I am hoping that we see a windfall tax on excess profits in the autumn budget to reduce bills. We will see

[@johnlamb2502]

Labour are a lavatory

[@DiscoDave-yt9dq]

I don't use money on Christmas I don't have any children's My money goes on heat I don't have holidaysI don't smoke Your caller is ridiculous

[@davidgallop484]

Will Starmer have open house for pensioners when it’s cold , to keep them warm , might even ask for a tea and biscuits !

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

How the hell do you know they use it for Christmas what planet are you on woman

[@Catsmeow90]

Will someone tell the man on this panel that very few pensioners can claim pension credit because they are pennies over the limit !!! It is not all so black and white!!! My husband has last stage COPD he has to be kept warm!!! BUT we are f3.25p over the limit to be able to claim pension credits.. so what does he have to say to that, how are we and many, many more like use ment to keep our homes heated this winter??? These arrogant people come on and just spout off not knowing or having a clue what real life is all about!!! Makes me so very angry!

[@Ed30675]

I echo your comment...

[@stuartregan1627]

Why is there even such a thing as pension credit ? Just pay people that work hard for 50 years a livable pension.

[@Marv9590]

11.5 Billion goes overseas!

[@barneyrubble8590]

That's the elephant in the room, exactly 💯

[@lyndacrosfill6340]

That will end up funding weapons, drug smugglers and trafficking before you give billions to other countries you need to look at who's running this e country's and there governments track records regarding corruption.

[@vincentblack7467]

Yeah of course he has !!! Paying the train drivers nearly 10 k when they on a OK money already,, shame on labour and kid staver...

[@user-hm1ii9pu6f]

Quite simply YES!!!

[@James_Doyle83]

NO

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Labour keep saying 22 billion, so what ! They will say what they want to have their way

[@peterwickett9088]

Was like turkeys voting for Christmas 😂😂😂 now the turkey is cold or dead

[@kristinamasters1663]

The Train drivers already had £65,000.00 hardly under inflation!!

[@lyndacrosfill6340]

£65.000 for 4 days work how much will the guards ask for or bus drivers throughout England ,school teachers ambulance drivers other industries we really on what will happen when they demand 22% and the country comes to a stop what about the economy then .

[@sysasst670]

I think lots of pensioners will be making a choice of not paying council tax this winter to stay alive with a bit of food and heating, rather than dying. At worst they could eventually be sent to prison, but lets face it that has 3 meals a day and is heated. With Labour emptying prisons of criminals released early, it's probably safer too.

[@lyndacrosfill6340]

MPs don't need winter fuel payments for second homes.on their wages either but they'll claim it .

[@meganstewart9062]

The mess your causing a bigger mess. All the thing that he could of cut this should of not been one of them stop picking on the vulnerable when the old people need it most. to keep warm.

[@user-hh8tf4tb9q]

Shame on the tories who gave everyone £400 cost of living payments including themselves and the millionaire and billionaire in the Country, what a waste of money, maybe those who received it could return now so it can be paid to all pensioners? And didn't Rishi say that he would donate his £400 to a local charity at the time?

[@meganstewart9062]

Dont know if a will vote for Labour next time.

[@Sandra-t2z8r]

I do know and the answer is NO never ever again will I vote labour.

[@Catsmeow90]

REALLY!!!! How much more misery do Labour have to cause before you make up your mind

[@JB-wy8fc]

Oh no. What ever will we do

[@gherkamum]

Starmer is picking on OAP's....

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

State pension may go up £400 a year sorry mr teacher how much is your income going up

[@hilarydavis3606]

Big deal.... just over a pound a day

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

Winter is this year

[@brianingarfill1773]

Well after fighting to get into power for 15 years the Labour party's "honeymoon" was very short lived after voting down our winter fuel subsidy, as a 80 year old pensioner this will make it difficult for me to make ends meet!!!

[@johnbarter3446]

Should have reduced it, say £100 for everyone in receipt of Winter Fuel Payment across the board, to be fair to all pensioners!

[@KimOsborne-nj5kz]

Kier starmer couldnt lie straight in bed !!!

[@alexdunn8574]

Definitely Yes

[@stanionman8178]

The £200 heating allowance introduced back then (in 1999 I believe) was worth far more then than today, it should be near double that to keep up with inflation !

[@jillibrom702]

They should raise the limit to 15 000 max you recieve. Over that you dont get heating benifit

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

Exactly- there should be a sensible income threshold cutoff.

[@stephenreeve6732]

£100 or £400 a year on the triple lock is nothing. When you look at France getting £1500.0 a month , what we get is a pittance. I've had a look at this we give india over 2bn a year which they shouldn't get , where india can afford to send a lander to moon, why are we giving this money. But no matter what Labour found to do with the books. What they said before the election and what they have done, is to me disception to those who voted for them. I was one of them which I regret . I dred what's coming at the end of October. The attitude of Labour how it changed after getting put in power is incredible. They just don't care about people, I won't vote again. Those who phoned in were the ultimate Thatcher attitude of being selfish. I don't care as long as I'm okay. If this winter turns out to be very bad those MPs who vote for this should really have this burnt into their consiense, for those who are freezing while they a nice and warm in their homes. What has England become?

[@Sharon-zi1xn]

Need to preference i think this is disgusting to, and i believe pensioners of course should get it!! However not sure what you mean by the Thatcher attitude, My late wonderful Dad died years ago 1999, and was already a pensioner by then 72, and he hated labour, loved thatcher, and told me never to vote labour, as they will always want your money, what you have! I never have voted for them, and he was right as usual! His attitude was, along with my wonderful Mum, who i have just lost at 94, was to work hard , and get money behind you, and property etc, so you can put your 2 fingers up to labour! I was their only adopted child, and their focus was always getting everything for me to have a good future, they saved and they planned, went without, all for me, so i get to have a good future, not sure how they did it! They were average people from poor backgrounds, with average jobs, but worked past pension age, no special luck! They were exceptional, and anyone could have done what they did, but most choose not to, i was so lucky to have them as my parents, they really did give me a wonderful life, and have left me a pretty good future, just hope the probabte goes through before that b...h reeves changes any rules around IT!!! Hardly think they had a selfish attitude, they are 2 of the most selfless people i have ever known, incredible what they have done over 50 years for their daughter, i have been very lucky!!

[@JosephDoherty-c9r]

Old starmer hasn't got anything right yet and the way he is going on he never will no experience whatsoever.

[@fabius5366]

Free prescriptions for over 60 are justified by the fact that, as you are grow older, the number of prescriptions multiplies. The financial burden can be substantial.

[@jc-en4pn]

i really don’t understand what the issue is with means testing?

[@mikedavis-kp1sx]

Spin Spin Spin.

[@chrishewitt5621]

As long as the migrants are nice and warm in their hotel rooms.

[@BLUESKY-zt1nv]

This what happens when we don't have any unions ..you get walked all over ..its why its so important to have a union ..never mind what otherwise anyone tells you [eg unions holding government to ransome etc etc ] ...if pensioners had a union they could go on a hunger strike ....well you know what i mean ..

[@DiscoDave-yt9dq]

Your previous caller asked about why people don't pay for prescriptions after the age of 60 You haven't discussed this question yet again!!😮

[@cugal1613]

This train driver argument is tiresome. It’s not either train drivers or pensioners. Same old right wing tactics divide and rule.

[@barneyrubble8590]

Train drivers don't deserve to be on 70 k + FFS

[@gadagaz]

No, but surely you have to be an idiot if you can't see that saying "we have no money" is just a load of **** when they clearly do have some to give already well-renumerated train drivers an above inflation pay increase, whilst pensioners, many who have worked and paid into the system all their lives have to suffer. This is also in addition to the guy wanting us to all work from home more, thus placing less of a burden on trains, does it not? Yeah, call me a right-wing thug for applying some common sense.

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

Straw man argument as usual from the lazy minded Tories

[@gadagaz]

@@DrMattiLabbratt about as lazy as just calling someone else out. Enjoy your 22% "doctor"

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

@@gadagaz Do you know what a straw man argument is? I’m happy to explain if not x

[@wendaprior6160]

The winter fuel payment fiasco is appalling- the billions spent on the things mentioned while cutting this much needed benefit is unbelievable. I am above the cut of - I pay two separate fuel bills my personal apartment bill and part of a communal fuel bill as I live in an independent living retirement development where the Fiume bill for last year was 52,000.00 stop thinking all pensioners are rich they are not. The % of those who are I expect is lower then 25%. Makes me furious. 😡

[@DougRutter]

How badly wrong & inadequate is SK Stalin on everything?

[@keithnixon823]

200 quid a year 4 quid a week nothing

[@cafsixtieslover]

The lady who is talking about pensioners spending money on Christmas sounds like a young lady who does not know what she is talking about and what it is like to be a pensioner.

[@billroome4649]

Triple lock is inflation related, therefore whatever it goes up is eaten by inflation

[@cafsixtieslover]

with fiscal drag pensioners will be paying tax on it shortly

[@jackplane7408]

Starmer will have blood on his hands and he will never wash it off.

[@darrencartledge6530]

No,he got the cut off point wrong,but there are pensioners who dont need winter fuel payments recieving them.its typical blanket paying,that should never have happened in the first place

[@doreenhollywood7459]

If pensions go up, I will have to pay more tax. I am just above the threshold by 30p and i pay £40 more tax than before the pension increase

[@julieknights1238]

It not "or other means tested benefits " only people on pension credit qualify. People on other means tested benefits won't get it.

[@julieknights1238]

It shouldn't be a choice of decent pay rises or wfa.

[@James_Doyle83]

No because old people spend the money other then heating

[@judithmorganjudyteen]

I heard Janet !

[@leewetherelt8925]

Kier starmer,granny harmer.

[@sarahjaneross2918]

Add that along with Tel Aviv Keith and Sir Kid Starver

[@robertanderson6776]

Dreadful pm

[@heatheryovanoff6361]

Why are people who've been careful and managed to save up a few quid throughout their lives be penalised again ? Not ALL people of pensionable age need a state pension either !

[@cafsixtieslover]

but they have paid for it and they are therefore entitled to it.

[@DrMattiLabbratt]

I believe that mitigating measures are coming. Ie windfall taxes on excess profits of energy companies. Wait for the budget and we will find out. The train driver pay/winter fuel allowance is a straw man argument and a false equivalence

[@zombieapocalypse5595]

Think of starmer as an empty vessel with others filling his head with their pet projects he doesn't have any original thoughts he's just a soft right think tank.

[@maxinelucas1104]

Pensions are gonna suffer it’s not fair

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

I think everyone who gets free prescriptions should have to pay £1 per item

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

@@wildebeeste if you call being 69 with osteoarthritis in both knees and shoulders young fit and healthy lol

[@JB-wy8fc]

Thats stupid

[@user-dp7bk1dt3t]

@@janetholden1978 pensioners cannot get fuel allowance sadly