Jessica Gadirova bests Angelina Melnikova, Vanessa Ferrari for 2021 Euros Floor Gold (D and E Score)

[@GymAnalysis]

Which routine was your favorite? I personally loved all three, but something about Melnikova's innovative, Afanasyeva-esque choreography makes me love her floor especially. What routines/apparatus finals do you want to see next? If you enjoyed, please remember to like and subscribe :)

[@anikokoren3417]

Gadirova hands down. Will you do beam from this euros too? I'm sure that will be controversial hehe

[@GymAnalysis]

I plan to do beam soon! hopefully I don’t get roasted in the comments lol

[@anzarzehgeer2121]

Amelie hands down bb final

[@ezehrichard5628]

Melnikova has d best floor in d work,listunova and grace from American

[@kareharpies]

Melnikova for sure

[@tiffany3784]

Gadirova's. Loved the pace, dance, execution, and overall style.

[@GymAnalysis]

I agree. I think the three pass routine fits her well (and saves her tenths in execution, which have been so key for her high scores!). I hope she can upgrade that last pass/forwards credit pass -- counting a B element is one place where she could improve, but overall, it's been awesome.

[@everythinggymnastics5535]

Love How Jessica attacked her floor routine she looked confident and really performed her Choreo.

[@GymAnalysis]

Me too! She performed with confidence and maturity that I wouldn't have really expected from a much younger athlete, and it definitely helped with her execution score.

[@bagelized]

Jessica is only 16! When she steadily upgrades, and she clearly has the power for them, she is going to be a force to be reckoned with along with her sister. How amazing is that?

[@GymAnalysis]

Yup! I hope both of the Gadirova twins keep competing past Tokyo; their gymnastics is awesome to watch.

[@anikokoren3417]

@@GymAnalysis do you see them turning pro if they continue to have many international successes, or maybe go to ncaa like many other british do?

[@BlueSky......]

@@GymAnalysis i will not watch you again because i only look at 18+ year olds

[@Gretagoo]

Gadirova's Dancing is exquisite!!!

[@aliciamcdonald7105]

Gotta tell you how much I do appreciate these videos with your analysis. This is coming from someone whose knowledge of how the E score is arrived is very basic. THANK YOU!

[@GymAnalysis]

I’m super happy that they’re helpful to you! If you have a routine you’d like to see, please let me know :)

[@otherworld11]

agreed

[@liamtimmings54]

I love these videos - i never would have spotted the deductions myself. Can't wait for the next one!

[@GymAnalysis]

Glad you like them! If you have any requests, feel free to let me know :)

[@jenna5578]

It’s channels like yours that are innovating the way videos present the sport! Really love your editing style with the big letters and quick, but neat and themed summaries at the end :) Excited to watch your content this Olympic season and beyond!

[@otherworld11]

I wonder if the networks who cover this sport will follow suit

[@AnywhereChrista]

I love the variation of Bella Ciao, it's so catchy.

[@everythinggymnastics5535]

I did not expect so much deduction on Melnikova’s Full twisting double layout

[@GymAnalysis]

The landing definitely did her some, but she had the same amount of deductions on her Chuso (0.6 in deductions) as Gadirova had on her Silivas (0.6). She's normally cleaner. It also looks like there were more deductions because all of the 0.1 deductions have their own line 😆

[@kda4003]

Her tumbling form has always been problematic

[@eimardgomes1128]

What? I could always see that her full twisting double layout was far from perfect

[@otherworld11]

The Gadirovas are absolutely fantastic - gotta be favorites for gold in Paris.

[@jessicapearshouse1728]

I just love Jess.her charisma,height and eleagence keeps me drawn to her routine I love the way you show the penalties,deductions also. Thank you! Xx

[@Temptresstoo]

Gadirova's Popa was gorgeous!

[@yuiop6611]

Gadirova’s floor music is 🔥🔥🔥

[@anikokoren3417]

I would have deducted more on Ferrari's silivas, both for low chest and the big step/hop

[@GymAnalysis]

I think you’re correct about that - I didn’t account for low chest in my video, which was definitely a mistake 😅

[@pescafredda905]

That was counted but instead the last pass was part of the choreo

[@legolass163]

0.3 was ok for the landing

[@ztatchu5060]

Why was Melnikovas triple wolf turn downgraded? It looks like she clearly got 3 spins around

[@mightystamps]

Wow, this video is epic, really well done - Subcribed :D

[@GymAnalysis]

Thank you! :)

[@roanjorna4698]

I would judge Melnikova's routine a bit differently: .1 for duration of choreography before the first tumble. Chusovitina: .1 for flexed feet .1 for body shape .1 for leg sepperation (being very strict) .1 for step .1 for lack of balance Turn combo: .1 for precision .1 for precision Double layout: .1 for bent knees .1 for flexed feet (being very strict) .1 for hop Leap series (deducting as a switch 1/2): .1 for bent knee .1 for undefined shape Front layout full: .1 for step on landing .1 for leg sepperation (being very strict) Wolf turn: .1 for precision Turn combo: .1 for falling out .1 for lack of balance Double pike: .1 for flexed feet .3 for landing Total deduction: 1.900/2.200 E-score: 7.900/8.200 D-score comments: The wolf turn was definitely a triple but the first turn combo was not counted and in my opinion the Switch ring half shouldn't be either. D-score: 5.8 SV HFEDDDCC = 3.7 CR = 2.0 CV = .1 Total score: 13.700/14.000

[@GymAnalysis]

I'm unsure as to which turn got downgraded for Angelina: both of them seemed eligible to lose a tenth, and it seemed like Angelina said that she thought she missed the triple wolf turn in an interview, but I'm really not sure which one the judges took. I'm surprised that you downgraded her Ring 1/2, though!

[@roanjorna4698]

@@GymAnalysis She does three full rotations (even goes a bit further) on the wolf turn so I don't expect a downgrade there but here L-turn was overrotated and double turn underrotated. I downgraded her ring because there wasn't really any back arch. Not sure tho. I hope she does the same as Mai Murakami and replace it with a normal ring leap.

[@roanjorna4698]

@@GymAnalysis Btw, what's your floor podium prediction for Tokyo? Mine goes Simone, Jade and Mai. This would be different if Ou Yushan actually pulls of her 6.5 SV routine (and survives).

[@GymAnalysis]

@@roanjorna4698 I agree with you on the ring leap - if the judges want to take away from her, they definitely could. Regarding the turns, I saw her as a bit under when her free leg first touched the ground (relative to where her foot was pointing at the start), but it was really close and probably could've gone either way. I hope Angelina can work on the reverse double turn, though, because it seems like such a more simple skill that she shouldn't be risking downgrades on.

[@GymAnalysis]

@@roanjorna4698 I honestly don't know! I would predict Simone at the top and a US athlete second (probably Jade), but there are so many wildcards. Nearly all of my favorites do floor (Steingruber, Moors, Popa, Saraiva, Miyakawa if she goes to the Olympics, and more) and I really don't want to predict anything because I know they can't all medal 🥲

[@tecnoprofet]

I can't believe it when I look at these young goddesses.

[@thecreativegeek7886]

i loved jessica’s and angelina’s equally! i liked vanessa’s too

[@GymAnalysis]

I thought that all three of them brought a unique style to the table, which is awesome to see in a floor final. :)

[@thecreativegeek7886]

@@GymAnalysis agreed! the most unique skill (imo) out of the three routines was angelina’s switch ring half 😍 (edit: wording)

[@lauraxxx6412]

I love your videos!!! Could you analyse Ou Yushan's fx and bb routines, please? Her form and execution seems almost perfect and I would like to understand where judges deduct from. Thank you (sorry for my English)🙂

[@GymAnalysis]

Of course! It’s a nice coincidence that I already started work on an Ou Yushan video, so I guess I’ll post it once all this Euros chaos is done :)

[@lauraxxx6412]

@@GymAnalysis thank you so much 🤩

[@aliciamcdonald7105]

@@GymAnalysis Would love that too!

[@ri3lalee]

I don't know why more people switch to 3 tumbling passes, the deductions in each tumbling pass are so high, it seems more worth it (way less deductions) and less risky to just add one more dance element or do a C skill into some other skill

[@GymAnalysis]

I'm glad that we've seen more people make the switch over, because I feel that unless someone really has four compelling passes (or no strong dance skills), it can be worth it. However, for a lot of people, there are fewer deductions (and less possibility for a skill downgrade) with D skills like a 2.5 twist or a double back, so it's smarter for a D score -- on a bad day, D judges can really penalize a gymnast who wasn't fully rotated on every dance element.

[@jjs5056]

​@@GymAnalysis There's too many redundancies; lack of control, lack of precision, body shape, etc., can address the same error in 1 skill, which is unfair if not consistently applied. D values need to be recalibrated if deductions remain at -.1, -.3, -.5 because it isn't in the best interest of gymnastics to make 2 small errors on a Front 1/1 (C) = most basic skills (A; RO, BHS, any basic jumps, etc.), or 1 medium error on a DLO (F) = Whip 1/1 or Switch 1/2 (C). Coaches also seem to have gotten lazy or uninspired looking for different ways to raise the D score. Too many FX routines have little to 0 CV, when Whip+DBL Tuck (A+D = +.10 CV), 2.5+Front (D+A = +.10 CV), and Whip 1/1 + 1.5 + Front 1/1 (C+C+C = +.20 CV) all fulfill CRs, but add the same as an 'E' skill toward the total DV.

[@ri3lalee]

@@jjs5056 i feel like tumbling usually has more built in deductions that. turns and leaps and jumps, especially. in the last pass gymnasts are tired, 0.1 for landing at least will already tie the built in precision deduction in dance, and form in the air is quite huge for many people

[@karonrichards9370]

Congratulations xx👏👏👏👏🍾🍾

[@roanjorna4698]

I would judge Gadirova's routine a bit differently: Silivas: .1 for crossed legs .1 for flexed feet .1 for undefined shape .1 for leg sepperation on landing .1 for step on landing Layout: .1 for flexed feet Dance series: .1 for precision .1 for lack of control .1 for Double tuck: .1 for flexed feet .1 for short landing .1 for hop Total deductions: 1.200 E-score: 8.800 D-score: 5.5 Total score: 14.3 Mostly due to some very clean dance elements and only three tumbles (of which one was nearly deductionless).

[@GymAnalysis]

Thanks for the feedback/alternate deductions! It's always helpful to see other people's perspective. I agree that Gadirova was really clean, and I was a bit surprised by the judges giving her an 8.466 E-score, so I tried to act extra strict to match that somewhat 😅

[@roanjorna4698]

@@GymAnalysis I hope she continues after Tokyo. Perhaps for another olympics. I love her choreography, performance as well as her dance-skills. Really hoping for that Downie, Gadirova sisters team in Tokyo.

[@Sunflower_vally]

@@roanjorna4698 ncaa gymnastics could do great things with her, she already has the artistry and execution!

[@roanjorna4698]

@@Sunflower_vally Yeah definitely. Would love to see both of the Gadirovas in NCAA!

[@pedrojorge1912]

Love your analyses. Just a bit of healthy desagreements: I rather believe that Ferrari got the Gogean credited but had her Memmel devalued to B and counted the front full (C) instead. Same result, but looks more logic, since the Gogean problem was way more subtle than the Memmel, that looked terrible. Also for Melnikova, I'm sure her triple wolf was fine and instead she lost the CV from one of her connections since both the double turn at 2:04 and the Illusion at 3:00 were underrotated.

[@erick_yuri]

To see how difficult the floor is, look at the amount of skills Melnikova had to do to get just 5.9. I just know that I really wanted to see Gadirova in Paris. What would present it on the floor.

[@cookiesareyum1043]

Jessica's silivas is not even tucked 💀💀

[@GymAnalysis]

If she trained it, I imagine she could compete a Moors!

[@AnywhereChrista]

Jessica's popa is gorgeous

[@GymAnalysis]

I agree! It's nice to see gymnasts take time to train super flexible, crisp leaps :)

[@pedropelaez]

I am hoping that future gymnastics competition are able to show the scoring that leads to their Difficulty score. Are the judges required to write out where they are taking deductions or do they just give their deduction scores with no explanation?

[@GymAnalysis]

I think that would be really nice, but it would be tough for the judges to do, because they have to get their scores in quickly, and it would also be a bit tough for the scoring in general. Because judges can only get certain angles of viewing, sometimes, deductions will be taken differently than what one would've scored with a video, and it could create a lot of confusion.

[@pedropelaez]

They can do in figure skating so I am sure they can do it in gymnastics. It adds credibility to the scoring.

[@tabithadehaan8405]

@@pedropelaez have to agree

[@tabithadehaan8405]

@@GymAnalysis I really think that some justification for deductions is definitely possible.

[@GymAnalysis]

@@tabithadehaan8405 I think it is possible, although it would probably make judging take longer 😅 in honesty though, I'd say that figure skating, despite marking deductions, has less honest judging than gymnastics does.

[@braindrain7575]

How did Ferrari get credited for that memmel? She dropped her heel way before the double turn.

[@GymAnalysis]

I didn’t agree with a lot of the calls from the D panel this floor final - Ferrari should probably not have gotten her Memmel, as with Gadirova’s Gogean.

[@Jewkonjit]

Jessica's silivas almost looks like a moor until the end.

[@ettorelironi7900]

I would deduct more Ferrari's silivas on chest position and Gadirova's one for non defined body shape

[@GymAnalysis]

I think you’re right about those. I totally forgot about non defined body shape, but that’s definitely there on her Silivas 😅 - thanks for commenting!

[@ettorelironi7900]

@@GymAnalysis thank you for the very good video 👍

[@Plaspos]

There is a complex choreo requirement that a lot of gymnasts don't meet which will give artistic deductions. Ferrari probably gets it for the choreo at 1:27, and Gadirova gets it right at the beginning, but I'm not sure where Melnikova has it? Also Gadirova for sure is getting deductions on the body position on the Silivas for indistinct shape, at least 0.1 if not 0.3. It is specifically written in the code for the piked full-in that the first salto can be performed in laid out position but this is not an exception given for the Silivas. I hope Jessica upgrades to the Moors for that purpose.

[@GymAnalysis]

I gave it to Melnikova for the cool handstand into wolf turn thing she does right before that turn. I agree with the missed deduction on the Silivas - I think that Gadirova could have a very strong Moors if she trained it!

[@AAM70]

Any guys analysis???

[@GymAnalysis]

Hi! As of now, I don’t do much with men’s gymnastics because I don’t know that much about it, but I may do some in the future :)

[@pescafredda905]

The last pass is a part of choregrafy

[@GymAnalysis]

Are you talking about Melnikova's steps out of her double pike?

[@pescafredda905]

@@GymAnalysis no i am talking about vanessa ferrari

[@jerrymarcos68]

Why Melnikova's triple wolf turn was downgraded?

[@GymAnalysis]

If you watch the angle of her foot when she leaves the ground and pause when her foot hits the ground again, you'll see that she's a bit underrotated. The FIG guideline is 30° or more, and I felt like it was likely that this was the downgrade she received (she wanted a 6.0 but got a 5.9). I also considered that she was downgraded on her double turn after her double L, but she said in an interview that her "big mistake" was on one turn, so I assumed she also thought it was the triple wolf and not the double turn.

[@anikokoren3417]

@@GymAnalysis she overrotated that wolf turn, no? It was a triple with a bit of an overrotation, so she should have got credit for it and a one tenth deduction for doing more than 3 imo

[@harry4596]

The guidelines for crediting turns is not 30°, but as it's stated in the help desk "Turn must be completed exactly", meaning that they must be completely finished. Also "The completion of turn is determined by shoulders, hip positions and completion of the turn with free leg." Melnikova was talking about the memmel, btw (she implied that the big mistake costed her a big chunck of the E-score, not about the D), which btw needs at least a -0.3 deduction in shape cause she definitely wasn't holding the right shape throughout xD. And I think they didn't credit her double L turn to double turn cv because the latter was way underrotated. Also I wouldn't have credited Ferrari's memmel, judges were generous.

[@surathmartinus3324]

Funny how Vanessa and Angelina both medaled on floor at the olympics but Jessica only managed to place 6th.

[@GymAnalysis]

True! But I thought all three had great performances - Jessica was only 0.166 off of a medal.

[@samanthaogilvie791]

@@GymAnalysis Didn’t Jessica have the highest execution?? She’s going to be unstoppable when she’s gets her difficulty up

[@antaravadhera]

And now she's floor world champion! (Jessica)

[@eimardgomes1128]

1:25 I believe that was a LARGE step 0.3. Not just 0.1 step...

[@eimardgomes1128]

Also I don't think Angelina's feet were flexed during the double straight...

[@saragrant9749]

Deduction regulations for floor are ridiculous.

[@jw6105]

WOW ANGELINA ITS NOT SO CLEAN...

[@nathangred5181]

Well I have to say those precision deductions FIG came up with are truly bullshit.

[@tabithadehaan8405]

Yeah...

[@mihaelabruma8006]

Daca fiecare mișcare a gimnastelor este atât de exact cuantificată in cifre, de ce nu sunt înlocuite arbitrele cu un robot care sa calculeze scorul și nota gimnastelor? In felul acesta nu vor mai fi controverse legate de notele gimnastelor, iar robotul nu poate fi suspectat de subiectivitate și că ar fi influențat de renumele gimnastei.😁

[@GymAnalysis]

S-au făcut eforturi pentru a programa computere pentru a ajuta la judecată! Știu că Fujitsu a făcut progrese aici. Cred că va fi tare să vedem judecarea robotică în viitor.

[@matlab8883]

She is azerbaijani. Vallla

[@kashaee7216]

venessa farrari music sounds like money HEIST

[@gymnasticssuperfan9228]

Great vid. I would take .3 off for vanessas low chest on her silivaa

[@marciomarcallobo4662]

Godirova's Silivas isn't good!

[@lonelyhorse5313]

Well the e score analysis is a bit hideous imo