Jesus and psychedelics in ancient times | Brian Muraresku and Lex Fridman

[@zactranten3235]

All of Lex’s guests are extremely knowledgeable in their own craft. But, Brian’s range of knowledge of language is mind blowing. Super cool.

[@ka3854]

Even more impressive with Brian is how he can accurately pronounce words in all those languages. I heard him pronounce in Arabic and had to confirm if he has an arab ancestry

[@sookmajoaby]

Amazing

[@jamie9726]

Jordan Peterson interviewed this geezer a year ago

[@ryantv2199]

I need help honestly ik Jesus is real cause predictions , and celebrities selling their soul but I need to know the real truth I have been studying and this sounds legit but we’ll find out one day

[@bk2524]

His knowledge on language and its interaction with the New Testament is actually weak. He says the NT doesn't reference the word alcohol, which is because it references "wine" which he acknowledges later. The word he is interpreting as "drug" is only used in a negative context in the NT. In other words "dont do it". Further, Jesus spoke Aramaic and was confined to Second Temple Judaism under Roman rule. His story was eventually translated into Greek for new converts. But to look at his Jewish life under Roman rule through a Greek Dionysian lense is a massive mistake. These are just some of the reasons scholars widely reject these theories that remain dead in Biblical scholarship but alive in public imagination.

[@paxonearth]

If Lex and Ben Shapiro had a baby, it would speak at a normal speed.

[@romeoduque7297]

The best hot take ever

[@ianpyle6670]

You must be from the south

[@wabbittv8923]

😂

[@roadieratonga3083]

You won the internet for me today!

[@paxonearth]

@@ianpyle6670 Oklahoma.

[@sondorp]

🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:17 🌿 *Psychedelics in Classical Antiquity* - Author's 12-year search for scientific data on psychedelic ritual use in ancient Greece and Rome. - Exploration of written works from the 60s and 70s, lacking technology and hard scientific data. - Uncovering key pieces of data indicating ritualistic use of psychedelic beer in Iberia and psychedelic wine near Pompeii. 02:21 🍷 *Psychedelic Infused Wine in Early Christianity* - Discussion on the potential role of psychedelic-infused wine in the life of Jesus Christ. - Analysis of ancient Greek language and the concept of wine as a mixed potion or "pharmacon." - Reference to early Christian texts and the use of wine as a sacrament with divine significance. 05:11 📜 *Language and Perception of Wine* - Examination of language's impact on perception, focusing on the ancient Greek word "oinos" and "pharmacon." - Highlighting the use of the term "pharmacy" to describe wine and its role in ancient Greek thought. - Connection between language, perception, and the understanding of wine in religious and ritual contexts. 08:02 🌐 *Dionysus and the Mysteries* - Exploration of the role of wine, specifically the sacramental wine, in the mysteries of Dionysus. - Discussion on how consuming the sacramental wine was seen as becoming one with the god Dionysus. - Insight into the ancient Greek understanding of enthusiasm, being filled with the spirit of the god. 11:45 🍇 *Jesus and Dionysus Parallel* - Analysis of parallels between Jesus and Dionysus, emphasizing the use of symbolism and miracles. - Reference to the Wedding at Cana in the Gospel of John and its potential connection to Dionysian rituals. - Interpretation of the continuity from pagan traditions, like the mysteries of Dionysus, into early Christianity. Made with HARPA AI

[@WSmith_1984]

From my experience/experimentation, I believe psychedelics/mediation/sound frequencies breaks down the barrier between our conscious and subconscious mind, allowing our conscious mind to experience our sub conscious thoughts, feelings and memories..... however I also believe, in our subconscious mind we can access the universal consciousness...... One of my first truly breakthrough experiences, during my own experimentation was this..... the words/feeling/communication I was experiencing, felt as if they were coming from someone/something/somewhere else....... """"" Hey we've been waiting for you....... don't be scared...... don't be scared....... your family is here with us..... you don't really know him well, but he's family, he's family...... it's (then proceeded to tell me a name) he's safe, he's here with us, he's your family don't worry, he's with us"""" 3 days later I was with my mum and we were talking about our family and I was asking if any of my older family members had caught or been effected by c v..... at first she said no.... then after a short pause she said her cousin..... with the same name I had heard/felt/experienced 3 days before had been in a coma for 4 days with pneumonia and died the day after my experience......... I was gobsmacked and instantly began to feel an incredibly sadness this was one of the most profound experiences of my life......... I had only ever met the man a few times and never really seen him or his family in my day to day life or on social media as I only use this......... there had been no mention from anyone or way of me knowing about his predicament in the weeks prior. I was a hard-core atheist before this....... now I have a new found sense of........ enlightenment amazement, fascination and desire to discover the world to which is there but we cannot see or experience, not in our normal state anyway. Peace, power and freedom to all the psychonautics out there.......

[@32kirby32]

The fungus, even in micro amounts, always makes me more aware of an I ln visibile, or spiritual all around us, but not visible with our eyesight. Just a intuition or it makes me ponder these ideas far more than normal with our being sad of those past or any fear.

[@yodaedits416]

Idk if i am to believe you are it's all cap

[@WSmith_1984]

@@yodaedits416 I don't care whether you do or not. I wouldn't have wrote it if it weren't true.....

[@yodaedits416]

@@WSmith_1984 I dont mean it in a judgmental way, because this is profound information.

[@WSmith_1984]

@@yodaedits416 I hear you..... and like I said, whether you believe it or not, it does not change the fact that I did in fact experience this..... this wasn't the only thing as well...... I was staying at a b and b at the time, there's was a guy who stayed there that I rarely spoke with as I didn't really like his character..... but while there, I was being shown a motorbike in the visions, two days after this experience a man pulled up to deliver 2 motorbikes to the guy who was staying at the b and b...... again if I didn't experience this, I would not be sharing this information. Peace, power and freedom to you and yours.

[@solshine41]

I haven't heard anyone talk about the syrian rue "esfrand tea" and acacia teas thats are still used in the middle east today. The consumption of the 2 together will produce effects of ayahuasca. It seems more than coincidence that the art and architecture inside of a mosque is an imitation of the dmt relm..

[@solshine41]

@@samsungtelevision695 acacia gum is a good reference to check out..I can't find the ref to teas atm

[@samsungtelevision695]

@@solshine41 ok thanks for replying. It you do stumble across it and could reply here some day I’d appreciate it. Very interested in any psychedelics available in ancient times outside of the americas

[@NewEarthAwakening]

Exactly! The DMT released from the smoke of the Desert Acacia was the source of Moses’ visions at the burning bush! The desert acacia wood was revered as so holy, it was used for the Ark of the Covenant.

[@SlaughterOfRoses]

I have used syrian rue to make dmt its perfect

[@UOTCbassist]

The architecture, the stained glass windows, big choirs/orchestras.. Imagine living your life as it would be in ancient times without as much to stimulate your senses, and getting to go to one of these Mosques or Churches to drink the body of Christ (or whatever means they had to make you trip). Seeing these massive architectural geometric shapes surrounding you covered in paintings and murals, this neon-glow-like colourful lighting radiating all around you, and the sounds of choirs filling a massive hall, all while feeling like you're in an alternate dimension.

[@robinmckenzie9823]

"The Lord's Prayer" in Aramaic is absolutely psychedelic... "that which vibrates everything in sound and light."

[@LJ7000]

Not sure where you're getting these words from?

[@kathleenlovett1958]

Everything we see or touch is just sound and light (I still have a hard time believing it though.) Where can I find the information you mentioned?

[@kathleenlovett1958]

@Oliver Abbot I'm interested, and would like to know more. Where did you get the information? I had always taken the Lord's Prayer mostly literally. Thank you 🙏

[@kathleenlovett1958]

@Oliver Abbot Thank you, Oliver, for taking the time to explain that so well. I appreciate it ❣️

[@weedeeohguy]

Give me a freakin’ break. What? Sorcery friend. Careful. Oh yeah. Bad stuff. Been down that road. Do a U turn while you still can.

[@beareggers]

1st century Jews like Jesus and his disciples would have avoided any practices that give the appearance of pagan worship. Certainly Paul who was a student of Gamaliel wouldn't have put up with it. When Paul tells the church in Corinth that women should be quiet, it is likely because the church was starting to appear like Corinth's temple to Athena. If Paul wouldn't allow Athenian worship, I doubt he would allow Dionysian worship.

[@heresjohnny602]

lots of I doubts and its likely and lots of ambiguous information delivered as fact. you're trying to convince yourself unfortunately.

[@andresvallelisboa5511]

Christianity is a sincretism of older tradition that you call pagan.

[@ALTheFreeMan]

@@andresvallelisboa5511 This may be true for “American Christianity”, but, not true for those who are “followers of the Way”.

[@andresvallelisboa5511]

@@ALTheFreeMan Which way?

[@ALTheFreeMan]

@@andresvallelisboa5511 Followers of Christ.

[@NeanderdeOliveira]

Good closing quote. We, as a society, may access fantastical visions with drugs, but mystical experience can and has always been access with not much more than, meditation, prayer, and sometimes ritual. It’s what substance is made in the theater of the soul, not what substance to take to visit the theater.

[@AgainstThisWorld]

I do not understand why they are talking about wine and belief and things that happened in a supernatural way, I mean the Bible advise even to avoid drunk people, not only not drinking wine. Are they trying to infer that the supernatural is actually a bunch of drunkards?

[@NeanderdeOliveira]

@@AgainstThisWorld I don’t know. But often we project: “I took a substance and saw wheels within wheels, therefore the prophets who saw wheels within wheels *must’ve* taken the same substance also.”

[@LillyJem]

@@AgainstThisWorld Jesus literally turned water into wine and often was integral in people getting hammered

[@matteyas]

Caterpillars, sharing tall tales of flight. For the people who want to understand the flight of butterflies, know two things: 1) A caterpillar can do nothing to know flight, except give up their caterpillar life. 2) Once a butterfly, you'll be a heretic to the caterpillars, and their tales will no longer move you. So if you value community over truth, it's better to join the choir and start preaching, like Neander here. You won't know what you're talking about, and you'll have to shut your eyes to not see this. Choose wisely and with courage. (There's also the path of solitude, where you admit your ignorance to yourself and others. You'll still be a caterpillar, but not one full of bs.)

[@NeanderdeOliveira]

@@matteyas in your anti-preaching sermon, you made it sound like all people who have not seen sublime realities without the use of drugs have opted for a diluted truth, and that all choirs are blind. I’ve had the “courage” to try various methods, but it took more courage and will to listen to the desert poets and follow their path past the noise of pseudo-enlightened taunts.

[@michaelalexander3001]

A Christian isn't surprised when echoes of Dionysus appear in the Christian story. Same with Apollo, Zeus, Hermes, Athena, or whomever. The whole point of Christ is that He is All in All. While these Greek deities each highlight a particular human strength, Christ is the fulfillment of all good things.

[@michaelalexander3001]

​@Marty McK Will do

[@moonman6113]

It battles today. Some people work where they like as they are best at what they do they also enjoy doing it. Then you have people hating their job but its good pay so they continue to do it even if they suck its the money they get.. seems like this problem has been around even back then. 😅😂 can correlate that individualism and centralism able to do all hating it and decentralism where if you are good at that do that dont do what you suck and hate.

[@religionishipocrisy]

@@moonman6113 your reply makes absolutely no sense given the context of the original post you were responding to ... It's incoherent, meandering, seemingly off topic, and I'm loving every bit of it. 😂

[@supernovasupernova4289]

More like an alien with higher levels of consciousness and spirituality.

[@thedeviousgreek1540]

Of course a christian shouldnt be surprised by this. After all, the christian story is just a combination of other religions especially greek and egyptian. The story, the mysteries, almost everything actually has been found on text long before christ.

[@z0uLess]

4:51 The book "the master and his emissary" really highlights this atomistic way of thinking.

[@odinallvater7907]

Fascinating to listen to this guy. If you’re in any shape or form on the path to self - improvement / discovery, his philosophies are a great puzzle piece for understanding self, and us as species collectively. Being able to understand “objectively”, removed from egoistic judgement or interpretation through indoctrinated beliefs is of course key.

[@pamelajonesmd]

Terence McKenna's Food of the Gods a very well written look at psychedelics through history. A brilliant and humble guy, Terence.

[@captainmorgen486]

RIP

[@Realygoodatbball]

Just finished the audiobook. Fascinating stuff.

[@TheCooterboo]

@@tedgunderson67 can one be humble and pretentious at times? He was kinda showy at times, but that could have been excitement and that ignorance all humans suffer from in some manner. I felt the same reading the comment, but sitting here high got me pondering. Perception is a mofo...

[@karltanner3953]

@@tedgunderson67 Intriguing that you've come to hold such a view of Terence. I listen to his talks a lot and to me, he appears mostly as quite humble. He even repeatedly makes it a point that he is just an ordinary person who has experienced extraordinary things, and often makes fun of himself. I think he can come across as intimidating to some because of his enormous active vocabulary, but that's by no means pretentiousness, he was just a sincere lover of words and phrases and let it show.

[@SpirosAbatis]

@@tedgunderson67 I appreciate your balanced response 👏

[@0ucantstopme034]

Reading his book, and it is just packed with information/knowledge. Dude did his research for sure...

[@aidenn4929]

What’s it called?

[@0ucantstopme034]

@@aidenn4929 The Immortality Key

[@johnwalterrautenbach1921]

Matthew 26:29 - I tell you I will not drink again of this fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

[@AlexandraArtzoglou]

I'm Greek and planning to get into Psychedelic-Assisted Therapy and I'm so excited to hear all of this😍

[@djbass7672]

Υπάρχει κάπου στην Ελλάδα κάτι τέτοιο;

[@weedeeohguy]

WARNING: A doorway to a demonic dark world.

[@jacobdines6370]

@alexandra I’m intrigued, do you mind me asking your professional background and what the path to becoming a PAPT looks like?

[@southernguru1455]

I'm rooting for you, you will succeed!

[@alexandraartzoglou2718]

@@djbass7672 Δεν εχω ιδέα, ζω στο εξωτερικό. Ολλανδία, Ελβετία, Καναδάς, ΗΠΑ είναι σιγουρα τα πιο μπροστα μερη σε αυτο. Ισως σε κανα (10?) χρονια να ερθει και στην Ελλαδα. 😛Θα ερθει βασικα καποια στιγμη σίγουρα, ίσως και πιο νωρίς.

[@PaulWallification]

Of COURSE it’s impossible to understand the New Testament without the background of Greek antiquity. That’s why we have actual scholars. You compare the literature or you’ll never understand the literature. I wish more people were with it (I’m talking about Christians and also about people bent on looking up a verse to disprove the Bible).

[@aeriagloris4211]

You don't need anything to disprovethe bible, it disproves itself.

[@PaulWallification]

@@aeriagloris4211 In what ways exactly?

[@rmccluskey91]

Highly recommend reading the book "Jesus Lived in India"... I won't go into detail here because I'd have to write an essay and it would not do it justice anyhow. The author suggests that when Jesus was crucified a roman soldier soaked a sponge in some sort of vinegar or wine substance and held it to his face as that was a religious custom. As the bible says, it was at this point the holy ghost left his body he was pronounced dead. The author of the book goes on to discuss in detail how certain plants were imbued into wine and some of them would essentially cause one to go into a comatose state for multiple days and appear dead. Assuming that is what happened, Jesus was taken down from the cross while still alive. After a few days, Jesus recovered and went on to live out his life traveling and preaching throughout Asia because he was forced to flee persecution in Israel. Highly recommend reading this book... it blew my mind.

[@rmccluskey91]

​@@DC-lf5po I certainly see your point but I also think the entire story, history, and religion surrounding Jesus and Christianity has been ruined by 2000 years of corruption, lies, and false interpretation.

[@rmccluskey91]

@@DC-lf5po The amount of evidence that Jesus not only lived, but spent a majority of his early and later life in India is IMO undeniable. Highly recommend you read "Jesus Lived in India" with an open mind and then tell me that there's no record of his life. I think much of the record of his life has been hidden by the church as a means of manipulation. It wouldn't look to good for the Vatican if people started to realize Jesus was a preaching Buddhism.

[@ZackTewolde]

Man, how bad do people not want Jesus to exist. The more reason to believe he does.

[@b-manz]

The reason why it is not popular is that scholars don’t agree it is correct. Fools believing this trash.

[@ZackTewolde]

@@DC-lf5po I guess you're the enlightened one. To call Christianity is a cult? Go figure the logic.

[@LOVESPACEDREAMS]

I like how he refers to the 12 apostles as "a dozen or so, illiterate day labourers that go on to convert the empire in a few hundred years".

[@JoJoJoker]

It’s always refreshing to hear people who are plain-spoken. Wine is just rotting grapes. Compared with mushroom wine, alcohol wine is basically just poisonous nasty grape juice.

[@deadhole5743]

If you read Mary's story you would see that see was mad at all the apostles because they built churches! That was not Jesus will. They messed a lots of his teaching up because of ego

[@marvellous9652]

@@deadhole5743 Where exactly can you read "Mary's Story"? This sounds interesting

[@deadhole5743]

@@marvellous9652 it's called the gospel of Mary :) you can find it online n.n

[@zachster6862]

@@deadhole5743 the Gospel of Mary is non canonical and believed to have been written 200 years after Mary’s life and death. That being said i would not say that the Gospel of Mary is a good resource for seeing what Mary believes.

[@nn-gr7kw]

Awesome insight in research... offering further contemplation Thank you! 💫🙏

[@OfficialNattyOrNot]

There was also the journals of the Pharisees who saw Jesus to his death. They never even denied the miracles he was performing, but instead talking about them and saying it was the work of the devil.

[@Percules15]

Sources?

[@paulm.e.mueller2903]

@@Percules15 Josephus is a good place to start.

[@SuperMortiki]

Just a simpleton like me and his opinion is that psychedelics played a very large role in religion in general and if it wasn't for mushrooms and psychedelics some religions wouldn't even be in play

[@StrongerThanBigfoot]

Agreed

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

I agree

[@larzhillbot1443]

Spot on Gary s

[@g00zik97]

very important part i think missed here is that conversion of water into wine and wine being the blood of Jesus is a very important part of traditional christian mass. its actually the pivotal part of catholic mass, not sure about the other masses, but the idea of conversion of bread and wine into flesh and blood of christ is one of the most important secrets of christianity.

[@danbowman9294]

If the spiked wine contained henbane or nightshade, the correct dosage would be crucial. Those are very dangerous plants.

[@fandude7]

In the Old and New Testament drunkenness and use of drugs were seriously prohibited. A sober and pure mind and physical abstinence of sexual behavior (outside of marriage) were encouraged. The Jews and early Christians had extremely high standards of moral behavior. Drinking spiked/drugged wine etc is far from their rituals or moral code that they fanatically followed.

[@Mannyr-bu7qv]

Although this may be true, modern day priest molest little boys and other atrocities occur in religious groups. To say things were prohibited hundreds of years ago means nothing. In my opinion anything is possible when it comes to religious history.

[@fandude7]

@@Mannyr-bu7qv Yes,even today molesting children is still prohibited by every religion. Not sure your point.

[@CelticMysticSeer]

Based on what exactly? Translations of translations of translations? Aramaic to Greek to English? People who study the original texts and the Greek translations see this isn't the case. The Roman state and English monarchy certainly want you to think that though.

[@CelticMysticSeer]

A quoted I pulled from MyJewishLearning: _The drug with which traditional Jewish sources are most familiar is alcohol - and specifically wine, which has been used from ancient times through to the present day in a wide range of Jewish rituals. The weekly Sabbath and most Jewish holidays are begun with a blessing over wine. The holidays of Passover and Purim in particular feature significant consumption of alcohol. Marriage, circumcision, the Havdalah ceremony marking the end of Shabbat - all these involve the sacramental use of wine._

[@jonathanlivingston7358]

So the Christian communion was a ritual where you’d drink wine mixed with psychedelics to have a collective psychedelic experience to get in touch with God. Very interesting. I wonder if they put something in the bread too. It’s interesting that Jesus’ words are “continue to do this ritual in remembrance of me.” In indigenous circles a similar type of ritual still occurs however with a different type of psychedelic base. You go to the shaman who let’s you drink from a bowl and then you have a collective psychedelic experience.

[@living_in_revelation]

Read the psychedelic gospels. It was not bread and the wine wasn't alcohol

[@Zenith6000]

​@@living_in_revelation Ayahuasca?

[@living_in_revelation]

@@Zenith6000 mushrooms. Its explained in the book the psychedelic gospels

[@moshefabrikant1]

6:30 Wine was a drug before. And from our understanding some words weren't on their own, and they were stand alones In the new testament wine= drugs

[@Jerryberger9235]

Psychedelic’s definitely have potential to deal with mental health symptoms like anxiety and depression, I would like to try them again but it’s just so hard to source here

[@georgewilliams1062]

Psychedelics are the reason why i didn’t take my life when i was at my end. I was stripped of my ego and saw the beauty of life and interconnectivity and even though i still battle anxiety and depression, I’m doing better everyday and will never think in such a self destructive way again.

[@zoeywinston6826]

LSD and mushrooms completely changed my whole outlook on life. I became a better version of myself This experience gave me a lot of confidence about my self and my body. A bunch of bad thought / behavior patterns were broken. One of these was pretty bad OCD that made me wash my hands a lot. It gave me a lot of hope that things will be fine, this is the one thing that I heard throughout the trip: Everything is alright. The main reason for the trip was my severe depression and it definitely helped me (although it's not gone). Before all I could do was lay in bed. Now I am trying to rebuild my life one step at a time which wasn't possible before."

[@sarahh321]

[_James_tray] Got psychs

[@Jerryberger9235]

@@sarahh321 Where to search?? Is it IG?

[@sarahh321]

@@Jerryberger9235 yes

[@joseiraheta5622]

In the gospel from Luke, chapter one talks about a wine condition for the birth of John the Baptist. A part of the story says how this baby is to “...never to take wine or other fermented drink, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit even before he is born.” All familiar wording of wine. Also within that story and chapter it does talk about visions since they say in the video of “not unpleasant visions.” May God Bless his people.

[@Botanifiles]

Anyone know how to get in touch with this guy? My dad published a book on this in 2011. He spent over 30 years compiling this research. They would have a lot to talk about.

[@rickymatovu867]

May I ask what the name of your father's book is?

[@Botanifiles]

@@rickymatovu867 The Anointed Ones

[@zicethmendoza4407]

Maybe try sending him a message on his social platforms??

[@jacobdines6370]

I’m going to buy this book now, thank you

[@nicklausbrain]

I think that argument for psychedelic Christianity is missing larger context, and description of early Christians themselves. Indeed they did fall into trance and it is described explicitly in Acts and by Paul BUT you do not have to use wine for it. Remember that wine mixed with water was likely a common drink like just a water today, since it was not as likely to spread infection.

[@liam_mushyviainstagramgots7181]

⬆️⬆️👆👆👆 f0r your shro00ms and psyched stuffs 🍫🍄

[@eugeniaberdali9711]

Interestingly in Eleusis wine was prohibited (in fact by Demetra herself) whether οινος or pharmakon. So ancient Greeks called wine Oinos and not pharmakon. Instead of the word pharmakon they used the word krama to mean wine mixed with water. So oinos is pure wine. Krama it is mixed with water. Pharmakon must be used later and closer to the Christian era. Madness is not what you are describing. It is overwhelming inspiration. Homer himself comes to such a stage. But he was not under psychedelics. You are sort of equalizing terms and effects and although it is an interesting video, you are misleading. They also would not drink the blood of Dionysos. Wine was not his blood but his essence. He was the wine and this is also why Christ appears as the "vine".

[@johnwill8467]

Nicely put. Thanks for the clarification. As usual, people see what they want to see - hear what they want to hear.

[@matteyas]

How do you know that he was not on drugs? Regardless of that specific instance, there's no point in discussing linguistics any longer. We know they were on drugs: "Ancient wine was frequently combined with other substances, including what we would today call “recreational drugs.” The surviving textual record offers ample proof of this but, as classicist Carl A. P. Ruck and a handful of others discovered, purely textual evidence was easy to dismiss or, worse, simply ignore. Now, however, the latest techniques of archeological analysis have *confirmed the presence of other intoxicants in Greek wine,* to the point it is simply incontrovertible."

[@DetectiveTrupo203]

Sorry, you are incorrect. You don't know what you're talking about

[@corykiesling]

For anyone who wonders if this comment holds any ground, ChatGPT 4o says this: "The comment by @eugeniaberdali9711 presents a perspective on ancient Greek terminology and practices that differs from Brian Muraresku's. Here’s a breakdown based on available evidence: Terminology for Wine: The commenter argues that the ancient Greeks used "oinos" for pure wine and "krama" for wine mixed with water, rather than "pharmakon." This is supported by sources indicating "oinos" was the standard term for wine. "Pharmakon" typically referred to drugs or potions and was not commonly used to describe wine​ (Biblical Hermeneutics Stack Exchange)​​ (Bible Hub)​​ (Wiktionary)​. Wine in Eleusis: The prohibition of wine in Eleusis aligns with historical accounts of the Eleusinian Mysteries, where certain substances, including wine, were restricted to maintain ritual purity. This aligns with the sacred nature of the rites performed during these mysteries​ (Wikipedia)​​ (World History Encyclopedia)​. Concept of Madness: The term "madness" in the context of Dionysian rituals often referred to states of divine inspiration or ecstasy rather than drug-induced madness. Ancient texts describe these states as overwhelming inspiration or divine frenzy, which could be achieved without the use of psychedelics​ (Wines of Greece)​. Dionysus and Wine: The comment that wine represented the essence of Dionysus, rather than his literal blood, is consistent with historical interpretations. The symbolic consumption of wine as a means to commune with the god reflects the spiritual and symbolic role of wine in Dionysian rituals, rather than a literal interpretation​ (World History Encyclopedia)​​ (Wines of Greece)​. Overall, the comment by @eugeniaberdali9711 appears to have a strong basis in historical terminology and practices, providing a valid counterpoint to some of Muraresku's interpretations." I would take it all with a large grain of salt, but you might consider it for whatever it's worth.

[@SavageHandle]

Lex should make his way to the magic source as soon as possible. He can be quite dull at times, but let's hope this adventure brings out his more exciting side!

[@SoulForty5Music]

Drinking the "Blood of Dionysus" as a sacrament sound eerily familiar to Catholic's Eucharist ceremony.

[@damminers49]

Why are the early disciples always mentioned as illiterate, that’s simply untrue.

[@johnwheeler1733]

they were simple fishermen or laborers. no one who held jobs like that spent any time being educated. they learned from their fathers. illiterate sounds bad but it just means certain things haven't been shown to you yet, doesn't mean you wouldn't understand it

[@dbmail545]

Matthew was a Publican, a tax collector. Hardly an illiterate man and the author of one of the gospels.

[@damminers49]

@@johnwheeler1733 most were literate because of the Torah. Matthew was a tax collector, hard to be one when illiterate. Bartholomew was a scholar and had royal blood, royal family was almost always literate.

[@nikmills]

I like how the hoodie gives the feeling of a monk.

[@thecasualgamer2011]

I would like you to fact check the translation of the Greek “wine” in the New Testament as pharmacon. Because in Galatians Paul speaks of the works of the flesh and pharmacon also known as sorcery or witchcraft, was prohibited by the church and was considered a sin.

[@andyposledni8086]

To not inherit the kingdom of heaven ≠ sin

[@theelephantofsurprise8564]

In Ancient Greek theater they kept violence off-stage...if people were tripping balls that would make sense.

[@brettbarreras48]

I think the masks would send me over the edge way before the violence lol

[@getAliKhan]

As far as I can tell, This world rewards us for effectively applying our intellectual intelligence to situations while the psychedelic experience places a larger demand on our emotional intelligence. The industrialized world has been stuck in this intellectual mode for so long, we have become blind to other modes of intelligence and it is apparent in the products of our societies.

[@Komodokhan148]

This was extremely insightful

[@dbmail545]

Alegro showed in his book a painting in the catacombs of Adam and Eve flanking the Tree of Knowledge which is depicted as an Amanita Muscaria mushroom.

[@weedeeohguy]

More bullshit!

[@NormalStudios]

I want psychedelics become legalized and readily available, as an artist there are limitless possibilities. I’m in favor of movie theaters or playhouses that encourage the audience to trip while watching

[@psychedelicdivinity2872]

Might not be the best idea 😂😂😂

[@jerrybarr3354]

Psychedelic beer? Yes please 🙏😍

[@weedeeohguy]

Not funny. Seriously.

[@arnoldhernandez1910]

@@weedeeohguy for you.

[@arnoldhernandez1910]

@@weedeeohguy I mean i can see where that comes from. Like a spiked beer… would upset worlds.

[@arnoldhernandez1910]

If not warned.

[@elrhyesseyhrle8958]

Connotation and denotation, etymology matters. I had the fortune of living with an Israeli family many years ago and the father loved to debate differing opinions on the bible. He often took up with a friend,of his, who was four square, I think, and invited me into the conversations one night. The four square fellow could not understand why because of his preconceived ideas of a woman's place...go figure. It gave me perspective on time(bc and up) and place(middle east) and language usage(not western connotation) from a person who was fluent in 5 languages. Super interesting conversations on Greek meanings and Hebrew translations, or visa versa if you get my drift. Idioms have always been a hobby of mine and some of the older middle eastern ones are great!

[@matthijsvanemous7046]

interesting how you constantly talk about the greek translations of the gospels but never about the aramaic texts that predate the greek texts

[@sethfarmer590]

The original language of the New Testament is Greek.

[@CelticMysticSeer]

John Allegro translates the Dead Sea Scrolls and he mentioned him.

[@chrismeyers9341]

Eph 5:2 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, Acts 2:14-21 But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day. But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel: “‘And in the last days it shall be, God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams; even on my male servants and female servants in those days I will pour out my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. And I will show wonders in the heavens above and signs on the earth below, blood, and fire, and vapor of smoke; the sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’

[@warsmurf114]

I’m upset the topic was changed after madness was described as a state of mind. There’s so much to dig into there. Consuming divinity essentially was someone becoming an archetype and madness is a very powerful example of that

[@aeriagloris4211]

If you're interested in this subject specifically, madness, you should pick up a very special book called Jonathan strange & Mr norrell.

[@htxzorrostreaming4249]

I personally disagree with ppl. that try to say Jesus was only a myth or a legend from Ancient Greek repackaged for a different audience. Jesus still lives and he’s coming back very soon

[@JoshuaPatrickGarrett]

So they want the Scriptures to be a product of pharmakeia rather than the Word of God, and even Jesus as a mere intoxicated man.

[@StatiCRjm]

Exactly, the modern man only understands what resonates with them and nothing more

[@AmiteshMukherjee20]

Isn’t a religious person doing just that too?

[@JoshuaPatrickGarrett]

@@AmiteshMukherjee20 As if the drug-taker seeking nirvana and transcendence isn't religious.

[@fakename5308]

@@StatiCRjm The irony of your comment is embarrassingly hilarious

[@StatiCRjm]

@@fakename5308 and you didn't expound on why.

[@mikefinn]

Brian, thank you for your research and retained knowledge about paleoChristianity. So informative.

[@deandre8876]

Maybe in genesis 3:15 “he will crush your head, and you will strike his heal.”connects with stomping the wine with feet then consuming with your mouth, and after effects is a hangover.

[@vbzstealth8667]

Lex please invite William Lane Craig on for the other side of this stuff. He’d love this sorta professional debate.

[@timetravlin4450]

Yes that would be interesting!

[@Pyryp2]

Only one narrative allowed here.

[@servingandswerving4106]

Yes please!!!! Then you would know he isn’t just one sided and controlled media. Let the REAL CHRISTIANS SPEAK

[@trip4923]

@@Pyryp2 He proved himself as unable to have a professional debate long ago.

[@Pyryp2]

@@trip4923 Who?

[@marcalvarez4890]

Powerful guest. Powerful. Great. More of this please!

[@co9productions]

I wonder if these were mixed with wine in such prevalence because they worked in conjunction with the psychedelics and/or because the fermentation process would sanitize water making it much safer in that time.

[@MP-tj5xv]

The official anthropological explanation is the later, plus it made it nutritious at the same time. Regardless, animals in general, not just humans, have been getting drunk on fermented fruit for EVER.

[@KM-tj9hd]

I had a weird vision of Jesus on a heroic dose. It wasn't him on a rock preaching or anything. He was on the ground moving like he was having a seizure. No one was around him. He was looking straight up which is where I observed this from and just twitched. I was told what it meant by whatever talks to you but I still don't know how to put it in words.

[@bradleyrosett2184]

Pray about it my guy. Genesis 1-27 “So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them” You are but a reflection. Much love

[@bradleyrosett2184]

Make that reflection what you want it to be

[@KM-tj9hd]

@@bradleyrosett2184 Thank you sir

[@sule2318]

Not surprised. Perhaps it’s not an evil dream as you may assume at first. Perhaps the meaning behind it is to tell u the muslim belief. That Jesus peace be upon him, the messiah son of Mary is no more than a prophet of god, a man from amongst us chosen by god, born from Virgin Mary. We don’t believe him to be God.

[@klaus2913]

@@sule2318 God is everyone and everything to me honestly. I am not a Christian, nor a Muslim, but when thinking about the fact we are built up from the most basic materials in this universe, and the fact the universe is everything and can be considered “God” it would mean we are God, and God is us. It is more of a Buddhist way of thinking, and I tend to go towards that direction.

[@danielpaulson8838]

Turning water into wine is suddenly a high functioning metaphor. Now if we can just get a few extra baskets of fish sticks and hush puppies for the munchies.

[@danielpaulson8838]

@@Novastar.SaberCombat I’m a fan of the idea that things are real. No supernatural and no magic potions. Water into wine would have meant bs into reality and is something terrestrial. Many people today turn wine into water.

[@jaroslavcech225]

Imagine Jesus was just some bloke who knew couple of tricks, one day he turns water into wine and kicks off the whole Christianity thing :D

[@wowser44]

Funny af tho

[@ShaneBradfordTV]

The fact alone of Jesus being born in a manger and where large herbivores where living witch psychedelic mushrooms grow in the manure of makes a pretty compelling case

[@pepelemoko01]

Advertisements for psychedelic beer were found around early Christian times, the Sator square.

[@Rawdiswar]

Tenet?

[@samsungtelevision695]

Can I get some more details on that? Psychedelic beer is calling me

[@pepelemoko01]

@@samsungtelevision695 SATOR AREPO TENET OPERA ROTAS Found on early Christian churches, but many think it is older.

[@tarahskinner923]

Brilliant! Appreciating such scholarly chat! Thank you for sharing! WoW just WoW!

[@petecabrina]

Carl Ruck deserves a shout out for that stock picture of himself.

[@db_cio]

Lol hell yeah xD

[@DamienMcKinnon]

Anyone see the striking resemblance at 8:50 of the wine glass Dionysus is holding and an Amanita Muscaria mushroom in the upturned stage of its life? Maybe that's a cryptic clue linking the god of wine with the god of drugs/psychedelics...

[@paxonearth]

8:33 "When you think about Dionysus from your high school mythology class..." Um, I think Brian is grossly overestimating the number of people who have the slightest clue about Greek mythology, or anything resembling the slightest grounding in history, science, or world literature. Kim Kardashian's latest drama? Yes. Huckleberry Finn or the Iliad? No.

[@Rhys4444]

Depends where you’re from

[@tc4423]

Its true, we may have had a worksheet to match up the names with the roles of the gods in 3rd grade, but understanding? No.

[@js78910]

I definitely learned Greek, Roman, and Egyptian mythology in middle school and high school.

[@kidmomo2]

Percy Jackson taught me

[@MaynardOwns]

When I was in school we learned some things. I didn’t take it serious but I remember the terms and I remember those books. Now I see on tiktok people don’t even know when the Declaration of Independence was written. What year it was written. Who the first president was. (People answered George bush and Abe Lincoln) I have zero faith in the American education system anymore. It’s been declining since the 60s about. I recently saw a copy of a grade school test from way back in the day. Grade school maybe 5th grade. We don’t get taught that stuff anymore and if we do it’s not that early. We are fucked.

[@justaguy-69]

manna was a small round white bread-like thing that seemed to magically appear on the ground after a heavy dew , it turned to black goo if you tried to save some, moses taught the israelites how to dry some to save it for the sabbath day when they were not allowed to work, gather. in later verses manna is called 'the host' in psalms and later verses it is stated "the spirit of the host causes you to "consider thy ways". also in ezekiel after the 4 man-like creatures arrive in a large flaming craft wearing metallic boots with heels, before heels were invented (sandals) '+footprints like a calves foot+ they wore glass helmets +crystal stretched forth over their heads+ they had ID tags on the helmets + the likeness of each creature sitting in a sapphire throne+ .. or blue chair. and they had pants and shirts- not robes, +divided at the loins even upwards and the loins even downwards+ etc etc.. modern looking guys and gear. at any rate after they force ezekiel to eat a small piece of paper or "scroll" that is supposed to give him info to convey to the house of israel he says it tastes sweet in his mouth but is bitter in his belly. after consuming it he sits among the house of israel for days dumbfounded and fails to convey the info. later they teach ezekiel how to grow mushrooms with poop and millet grain,and zeke tells them he will not eat anything from mans poop that would defile him, the creatures tell him he can substitute cow dung in the recipe. i spent years researching the bible and it seems beyond doubt to me psychedelics were involved in christianity. 🍄✡✝☯☮🙏

[@AkkarisFox]

In Ezekiel's vision, he describes "what looked like four living creatures" with angelic, human, and animal features, each having four faces-a face of a man, a lion, a bull, and an eagle. The creatures are identified as "cherubs," or mighty angelic creatures, and are associated with God's presence and serve as His throne bearers. The vision also includes details such as the likeness of each creature sitting in a sapphire throne and wearing pants and shirts, which is not a common depiction of angels in religious art. could it be? Abraxas?

[@curiousdog9672]

A better translation of the word "Farmako" is the word "Medicine". In Greek we only use the word drug for very addictive substances.

[@Mk-qt2bl]

In american the call medicine drugs

[@bandolierboy1908]

What doesn’t make sense is that according to this video, apparently Christians used psychedelic wine yet at the same time in the Bible were told to not partake in sorcery which is pharmakeia. I’m so lost

[@ChairmanSteel]

Christianity makes *so* much more sense with a psychedelic component. The church is a safe space for the community to gather and listen to stories while surrounded by colorful imagery, the clergy are professional trip sitters, the sacrament is your dose, it sounds like a pretty good time.

[@b-manz]

Why do scholars not explain how hundreds of prophecies came true in Jesus life hundreds of years after. Would love to see the hard questions answered.

[@watercave4905]

Exactly

[@Ahmed-ef6ss]

Because ther is nothing to it. Mostly vague and self fulfilling prophecies, many of them possibly completely made up. Scholars know all about this. Also you can't conveniently ignore all the prophecies that were outright wrong. Anyway, prophecies and their alleged fulfilment is not unique to your religion. Every religion and myth has their own set of prophecies. All mythology at the end of the day.

[@Youtube304s]

@@Ahmed-ef6ss i get your point, but Daniel is the one book where that is much tougher to say unless you can prove that it was written later or the verses were shoved in. Even atheist scholars struggle with that one.

[@sheldoneuos]

@@KZbin304s name 1 prophecy that was right. Or explain to me how spitting in dirt & rubbing it in a blind man's eyes can magically make him see again.

[@EatPsilocybin]

@@sheldoneuos allowing the blind man to see again was a metaphor for taking someone who is “asleep” and waking them up, allowing them to see, in other words, the psychedelic experience does the same thing. Wakes you up and you had no idea you where even asleep. Until you see the truth behind the experience.

[@fritzco55]

There may be more credence to these ideas (that states of awareness and ideas were uncovered through wine and/or the possibilities of psychedelics) if the new testament scripture did not state "Do not be drunken in excess". I do love the idea of stretching the imagination and examining the scriptures. I personally believe that the biblical ideas were true, and consisted of a truth more solid than what is in the physical realm. I believe Jesus was in touch with the deepest levels of these truths, that he could walk on these truths like water. That he could unravels the depths of truths so far that it would be as if the clarity of the truth went so deep you were drunken with this absolute tastiest wine (turn water in to wine). If he was the Word (the truth) wrapped in flesh, then could he not become lighter than a feather. Why does the word light have a meaning of being less weight and also illumination. If we turned our eyes to him and became totally enlightened could we also ascend towards the heavens as he did? Peter was able to walk on the water...

[@Johnny1.0]

I heard Mary Magdalene had the cleanest acid in Jerusalem.

[@iamthisiam]

I have a question for the secular. This coming from one who lived on that side of the track for seven years as an agnostic atheist. What is it about the Hebrew God and Jesus you find unreal and prevents you from accepting the gospel?

[@saltysaints7125]

All of these guys want to equate Christian experiences with drug use. The issue is that all throughout scripture, witchcraft is explicitly condemned as a sin and something to be avoided at all costs. The problem here is that the word witchcraft is the Greek work pharmakeia. This is the word for drug use as well. If witchcraft is drug use, then there is no room for these spiked wines and milks in Christianity, and if there were people using this method of witchcraft, the apostles condemn it outright. This theory just doesn’t hold water, or wine rather…

[@heresjohnny602]

If jesus existed he didn't willingly go looking for drugs. the burning Bush is the acacia Bush rich in dmt which when burned changed his life.

[@saltysaints7125]

@@heresjohnny602 Jesus didn’t find the burning bush, Moses did thousands of years prior to Jesus walking the earth. There is zero evidence that the bush was an acacia bush, because they also argue that it might have been a yew bush. Both claims are baseless speculation, which is fine and fun, but they still go directly against all Christian teaching that drugs are witchcraft and are to be avoided in all situations.

[@heresjohnny602]

@@saltysaints7125 Never said he did find it so calm down. He still had an experience in his life that reflects psychedelic consumption. More to the point jesus is a combination of two ancient sumerian words that mean mushroom that grew in sumar at the time, if you knew anything you'd know that witchcraft is from an ancient Greek word that means medicine. Mushrooms, DMT, ayahuasca of the amazonians are all used now in the advanced treatment of conditions of mind and body that 3000 years ago would be deemed possessions of the spirit. Unless you're a Christian scientist Christianity doesn't and has never advocated against medicine. So respectfully you are talking nonsense.

[@saltysaints7125]

@@heresjohnny602 You may not have meant to state that Jesus encountered the burning bush, but that is how your post was structured. Jesus is not the mixture of two Sumerian words, because Jesus isn’t a real name. His name was yeshua or y’shua, which is where we derive the name Joshua. In Galilee, they would have called him yeshu, dropping the “a”, because they pronounced things different than those in Jerusalem. The Bible is written in Greek, because that was the common language used in Roman occupied cities, and Greeks don’t end proper names with Vowels, so they added a sigma to the end of the word, making the name, or Jesus. We call him Jesus to signify that he is different that other Joshuas. And Christianity has not had a stance against Medicine, but using mind altering drugs for exposure to the spiritual realm. Which it most certainly has always been against (Galatians 5:19-21).

[@saltysaints7125]

@@heresjohnny602 And a agree that the Greek word means medicine, but that’s not how it’s used contextually biblically. We know that Luke, one of the authors of the gospels was a doctor, so it’s obviously not rooting out medicine. Witchcraft is often used in tandem with the idea of mediums and contacting spirits. I can use the word pills to mean Tylenol or ecstasy. The context matters.

[@AlthosWTF]

It's a little weird Brian is talking to Lex and Lex is talking to the table, to his watch, to the timer on the desk...

[@watermelon9959]

Jesus from the catholic bible also has remarkable resemblance to Titus flavius. Not particularly on topic but just saying

[@toby8814]

What is the catholic bible? Its the same text. Surely the late roman empire standardized christianity into a power structure and understood it as such. But Jesus wasn’t Titus Flavius, Caesar, Apollo, any Egyptian deity or any of these crazy hypotheses that have sprung up out of nowhere. Thats just stretching things beyond all logic out of all context.

[@danielpaulson8838]

And Moses from the Torah and Akhenaten seem to share the same story as well. In fact, Jesus and the Buddha too. (Not the Christian version of Jesus.)

[@Youtube304s]

Nope, the flavian thesis is absolute bullshit and proven to be by any serious scholar of the time. Atwell is a clown.

[@toby8814]

​@@danielpaulson8838 By that logic all lives, especially those of legend, are more likely than not to have elements in common. And Jesus of Nazareth was a Roman war general who made the senators jealous and got betrayed by his most loyal one, like Jesus made the pharisees jealous (for completely different reasons). Or an Indian prince whose mother stood by a tree. And the guy who led the Jews out of Egypt was an egyptian deity?

[@danielpaulson8838]

@@toby8814 That's not what I implied. Frankly, there are incredible and fascinating parallels in stories from global religions if you openly learn about them. Eve from the side of Adam - Buddha from the side of his Mother. - While we might say there are no similarities between Eve, The Buddha, Adam and Buddha's mother, I am looking at the stories as similar because they both are a metaphoric creation or birth of an important element which came from the side of another. And that's a strange thing. People don't come from sides in nature so that gets the attention of the seeking mind. I don't simply claim one is a supernatural reality while the other is a lie. I don't need them to work that way. They actually don't. They contain nested teachings that must be unlocked. IMHO The Buddha - We experience Karma. Those are the manifested results of your thoughts and actions. Jesus - The measure you mete unto others will be likewise meted unto you. Same lessons. Different word of mouth culture and time. The carrier stories vary for the local masses. The nested lesson is there for the seeker. In modern times we know that to act and obsessively think in negative ways, causes us to experience negative reactions from those around us. Are those two teachings different from each other? Flood myth's abound on a global scale. The first writing was Gilgamesh. They all vary. 'Weeding ones garden to enhance fruits' means to one person they better pull the dandelions out for bigger figs. And that's all they seek to get. I'm no expert but there are many video's on it and I haven't even started. There is simply too much to mention. If you learn about other religions and spiritual pursuits with an open mind, you will see it. If you do not, you will not.

[@ethanblack6407]

Funny how just thinking about Christianity and the story of the bible since my childhood. I couldn't help but think about what type of drugs was used to really make it all seems more real or something. And hearing this about wine makes perfect sense same as every recreational drugs like weed and ayahuasca.

[@innerpull]

Maybe if you're going off a hunch of a different context informed by contemporary imagination. Looking at the source material though... not so much.

[@psychedelicdivinity2872]

God used drugs to show me that they were telling the Truth.

[@psychedelicdivinity2872]

@@DL1ONS God showed me through the use of various substances that the people who were witnesses to Jesus’ Resurrection were telling the Truth and were not on any drugs and didn’t need to be.

[@psychedelicdivinity2872]

@@DL1ONS I wish it was 😂😂. I’m not calling God it, Jesus is God and is alive! I don’t need to fantasize about something that is real, because my brain/conscious is far too faulty to maintain the illusion that Jesus rose from the dead. I’m too dumb too hold onto a lie that long 😂.

[@NewEarthAwakening]

There’s the concept that Yeshua isn’t real because his life mirrors other mythical figures. But then there’s also the possibility that he was real - based on the plethora of accounts - and that those who eventually took the original Aramaic accounts of his life and translated them through Greek language and culture many years later, added their own embellishments to better incorporate him into the preexisting spiritual belief systems of the age.

[@internetenjoyer1044]

Jesus' story isnt actually like other figures

[@sadjeebis]

Lion's Mane Mushroom extract. What do you know about this mushroom and have you heard of it's cognitive benefits, among other miraculous-seeming other anecdotes?

[@Unxpekted]

Yeshua Hamashiach, the truth, the light, and the way! 🙏🏼✝️

[@pariaheep]

Amen, brother!

[@anyariv]

This guy is so knowledgeable. Incredible.

[@hermes_logios]

Why does it matter if Jesus was a "real" historical figure, or completely fictional, or some blend of the two? For the life of me, I can't understand why anyone feels the need to ask this question.

[@spencerjohnson3456]

If Jesus never actually lived, then He never died and was never resurrected. The entire thesis of the Bible is that sin entered the world through people and Jesus atoned for sin by the sacrifice of His life. If He wasn’t real then the atonement never happened and sin was never dealt with. Our standing with God would not redeemed. It’s an important question to those who believe but maybe not so much for those who don’t.

[@hermes_logios]

@@spencerjohnson3456 It's a story. It's a core story (which is what religion is: a collection of a society's deep symbolic representations of reality). It doesn't matter if it "really happened," or happened exactly as depicted. It's symbolic. That doesn't mean it's not important. On the contrary, it's part of the core set of beliefs about how the world works. What matters is what it MEANS. Of course sin enters the world through people. Only people can choose. Free will. Which means that people can choose badly. The "tree of knowledge of good and evil" is a metaphor for being able to distinguish between good and evil. Animals don't. They just follow their programming. We, however, can predict (however imperfectly) what the consequences of our actions might be, and choose a (relatively) good one or a (relatively) bad one. Choosing what's good for yourself, but comes at the expense of others, is the meaning of "evil."

[@danielpaulson8838]

Damn. A real interpreter. I bet you live in the crosshairs of theists and atheists. Great comments.

[@hermes_logios]

@@danielpaulson8838 Thank you. The interpretation of symbols is called "hermeneutics" for a reason!

[@DvitusR]

@@hermes_logios @Hermes Logios you seem pretty switched on, let me ask you this. Ive been trying to understand the garden of eden story and something doesnt make sense to me. The serpent encouraged A and E to eat the forbidden fruit, it was his idea, and so it was really the serpent that gave Adam and Eve the gift of free will, when God was perfectly content with keeping man as animals, just following our programming. We humans are defined by our choices, this is what seperates us from animals and so it would seem the serpent gave us one of the greatest blessing of our species, why then do we see the snake as the bad guy in the story.I mean the Christian bible version of the story, the Adam and Eve story in the Quoran and in the Sumerian texts have alot of differences. What are your thoughts on this?

[@avgroupltd3481]

He deserves a Nobel for this work!

[@mackychloe]

Didn't the ancient Egyptian's get there first with Blue Lotus wine?

[@ivaxnog6157]

Read "The teachings of Don Juan: A Yaqui way of knowledge"

[@oliverpalmer3088]

Excellent read

[@PaulWallification]

So mass hallucinations happen from psychedelics?

[@DvitusR]

How do you come to that conclusion?

[@PaulWallification]

@@DvitusR Is that not the implication? That they mass-hallucinated Jesus’ resurrection?

[@DvitusR]

@@PaulWallification no hahaha jesus himself barely has anything to do with it, read the book or a longer podcast, Jordan Peterson has a good one with Brian, the implication is much more complicated and profound than that.

[@PaulWallification]

@@DvitusR Ok, care to summarize the heart of what he’s saying/suggesting?

[@thesjkexperience]

They had ergot of rye, or crazy bread and if there are cows there can be mushrooms. They may not have known they were psychedelics, but were having a religious experience, or a bad trip would be blamed on the devil.

[@jarrettjb]

It seems Jesus demonstrated his authority over the demonic power of Dionysus by doing the water into wine miracle.

[@Mdme.X]

"Miracles" were once called "Magic" in ancient/ Jesus Christ's time. And "spells"/ written invocations are now referred to as "prayers". Etc. Terminology was all renamed/ refinished to sound unique from other Pagan religions. Ps. I personally think biblical Mannah refers to 🍄 mushrooms. ❤✌

[@theadministers3533]

The first miracle was water to wine and it is simple to perform. It is also a reference to DMT dammit. Piezoelectric stimulation of the pineal gland causes the endocrine system to manufacture DMT aka milk and honey of the promised land. We communicate with the creator in the theta mental state, to be carried to delta is bliss, carried into gamma is the fantastic voyage.

[@zboys4586]

Nice conversation . Thanks.

[@pawlpoche8736]

Ben Shapiro=speed Lex=Valium Les slams Red Bull Ben is drug free Make sense of this!

[@mayitodoza120]

10:40

[@elitisthavoc3949]

Praise be Jesus Christ, God & King of the universe!

[@minhajkhan6830]

Any body know where I can buy that hoodie? Super need.

[@angelobecerra9777]

I'd appreciate your comment

[@angelobecerra9777]

I bought some psychedelic product from a drugstore online they're very reliable ship discreet

[@angelobecerra9777]

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[@angelobecerra9777]

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[@calebsmith1899]

You gotta have Steven Bancarz on now

[@izme2132]

Gordon Watson what is a skull and bones member and time magazine you had him as man of the year on one as it covers is a skull and bones operation

[@champgainz174]

We are looking at the wrong paintings of Jesus

[@champgainz174]

@@DC-lf5po the docu a watched on davinchi said he painted Jesus the way of what his lover looked like but of course the Catholic Church doesn’t like gay even tho look at their own news... plus my dads middle eastern and very dark not this olive tan Italian

[@esvedra2419]

Jesus was a guru and a healer, with or without psychedelics. If anyone is interested I suggest looking into gnosticism.

[@matthewvanwyhe1498]

There was a concept of fermented wine. No historian would deny this.

[@SavageHenry777]

Yes, he's just saying the concept of alcohol as the distinct common active ingredient in different beverages may not have been known.

[@subspaceanomaly]

@@DC-lf5po pour me a glass!

[@pariaheep]

Great conversation, gentlemen... I'm a sucker for this kind of info.

[@thaddeuspawlicki4707]

You might find that seeking the true God might be more what you are looking for than substance abuse?

[@EatPsilocybin]

Seeing god is like understanding something rooted in reality, we are all a part of. Psychedelics are the glasses that let you see. The attempt at abusing psychedelics, does not work.

[@DvitusR]

How do you equate the mysteries to just "substance abuse" you seem close minded and brainwashed. Pay a little more attention to what is said rather than being defensive over ideas that aren't even yours.

[@Podling_Dan]

You should look into Soma and cannabis. The eucharist is practically Soma

[@toby8814]

Jesus was called Christ because he was anointed with the sacred oil (though it was illegal to anyone but clergy) - main ingredients being olive oil as a solvent, frankincense, myrrh, cinnamon, and ‘kaneh bosm’ (a herb with long stalks and fragrant flowering parts) which the greeks translated into their local calamus (which doesn’t have those). Even if it were calamus (and the semitic etymology doesn’t back up that hypothesis), frankincense contains at least one powerful anti-carcinogenic and psychoactive compound. Incensole acetate. So the word “Christ” comes from a psychoactive with spiritual uses. Try chewing some frankincense like arabs still do and you’ll understand it soon enough.

[@porteal8986]

so how does this mesh with st. Paul specifically prohibiting pharmakeia?