Jesus Wasn’t Lying When He Said, “My Father Is Greater Than I”

Although Trinitarians often assert that Jesus is equal to God, not only does Jesus never make this claim, but he actually claims the opposite. Multiple times in the Gospel of John, Jesus claims to be lesser than God, yet never claims equality with God. In the rest of the New Testament, it is also evident that Jesus differs in his nature from God, he is not omnipotent, omniscient, or omnipresent, whereas God is. Jesus himself said, “My Father is Greater than I” (John 14:28).
Verses: John 10:29-30; 13:16; 14:28; Phil. 2:6
Teacher: Johnny Barnes
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[@lindaslaven5800]

The fact that Jesus was a human man makes his sacrifice and the endurance it took to follow through with the Father's will and plan for our salvation so much more ! Only a perfect HUMAN, completely in tune with and dependent on God would do. That man was Jesus Hallelujah 🙌

[@uniteryenhristiyan]

Brother I really really love your works. God bless all the workers of this channel.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Thank you very much!

[@FredVanAllenRealtor]

Makes perfect sense to me.

[@SaltySisterMel444]

Well done! I wish people would believe what Jesus says and stop adding to and taking away from his words. Peace

[@betsycosmos2054]

So refreshing! One of my favorite Bible commentators spends pages upon pages explaining how Jesus was a man but then admits the "paradox" of the trinity, abandoning all his good reasoning and saying that "no human mind can comprehend infinity" and therefore the doctrine of the trinity is something we can't really understand. Sorry, but the Word of God was inspired by God FOR HUMANS and therefore is logical and should make sense to us. We don't have to abandon reason and logic to understand our Savior. Thank you for continuing to cut through the noise that has so drowned out the simple truth in the Christian Church at large♥♥♥

[@ken440]

yes and yes.

[@bosse641]

The Father alone is God. Jesus and the apostles all said so. It settles it for me. The truth is so simple.

[@achildofthelight4725]

The truth is simple... we are what the Father is.... no seperation. No lesser of greater qualities to do more than you can possibly imagine.

[@danielvargas9100]

@@bosse641 Word became flesh.

[@bosse641]

@@danielvargas9100 .....Word(LOGOS), look up the definition of that. We must not engage in eisegesis, as you do.

[@danielvargas9100]

@@bosse641 Jesus = image of the invisible God (Col). All I’m doing is engaging in reading the Bible that I got from Walmart. What the heck is eisegesis?

[@bosse641]

@@danielvargas9100 ......an image of you is not you.

[@lisasullivan7777]

But I would have you to know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:3 KJV

[@MythicalTrashcan]

“but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭8‬:‭6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@azote339]

Amazing how even the gospel of john, which trinitarians love so much, affirms jesus distinction from God

[@ken440]

absolutely correct.

[@__rezin__7819]

in what ways is Jesus distinct from God? From scripture Jesus is: Pre-existant - John 1 Omnipotent - Col 1 Omnipresent - Matt 28, Matt 18 Holy - do you really need a reference for this one?

[@thefly6537]

you're a moron if you found this video convincing

[@ken440]

@@__rezin__7819 Well a few ways he is distinct from God he is "a man who tells what he heard FROM God." And is currently "a man" mediator between men and God.

[@ken440]

@__rezin__7819 Col1 says nothing about Jesus being omnipotent, as its context is about Jesus being head of, and settiing in place ALL the pastoral human and angelic oversight, over the church, the new creation, which all started AFTER he was raised from being a dead man. nothing there about creating the cosmos. If i say "I ate all the cookies" you will automatically know im not saying i ate all the cookies in the universe, or even in the city. If my wife hears that she knows the context is our home!! Colossians, context is about Jesus as head of the church, not angels!

[@1trueGodtheFather]

The trinity is manmade pagan nonsense. Good job.

[@maxprescott9371]

No it isn’t

[@Edwardsmolyuk]

@@maxprescott9371 brother ill pray for you!

[@Edwardsmolyuk]

Yep True

[@maxprescott9371]

@@Edwardsmolyuk WHY will you pray for me,, and WHAT will you pray for me ??

[@zoolanderhansel]

Crazy how blind trinitarians are. The teachings are so clear yet they keep pushing their narrative.

[@ken440]

absolutely

[@fatalx916]

Because they are really following Rome, not the bible.

[@maxprescott9371]

@@fatalx916That is a stupid statement you made 🐴💩

[@maxprescott9371]

@@ken440Nope !

[@maxprescott9371]

Crazy how Blind UNITARIANS are.The teachings are so clear, yet they keep pushing their narrative,,,,, They are NOT Christian at all, but Another religion…a Cult

[@socketman]

So good

[@zacdavis8234]

One in purpose. To bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. They are one in having the same goals.

[@joettaqueen-ellenwood7711]

It was so inspiring to find your channel. 🙏🏻 Please give us your perspective on this verse: John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. Thank you. Blessings

[@biblicalunitarian]

"So great to hear! If we love Jesus we will follow his commandments and should follow his commandments. But if you look at the gospel of John, the primary commandment of Jesus is to love one another as Jesus has loved them (John 13:34-35). He could be referring to his teachings/commandments in the Synoptics as well (i.e. turn the other cheek, love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you...etc.)

[@ken440]

and as Paul was given his revelation of the new creation, neither jew nor gentile but a new creation in the same anointing and promise as Jesus had, and that given hi. BY JESUS, then Pauls epistles become Jesus commandments delivered by Paul as an apostle.

[@understandingthescriptures]

the problem is people care more about being in line with other people, than with god

[@understandingthescriptures]

​@@ThePeaceofWildThings this is why yeshua was rejected and crucified. the arguments changed. but at the core of it. he said the truth god wanted him to say. and his opposition cared about other things more. the only things we should relay on. is what we can be sure god said. not all the bible. and not anything that is not in the bible. i cheked the other as if holy books, they all false or not holy. god is talking about this in matthew 7.

[@streetleswa8053]

John 14 : 1 "Believe in God , believe also in me"

[@DangBro-xz9pz]

Yep the great separation between Jesus and god

[@ken440]

​@@ThePeaceofWildThings Yes they believe in a god man who changes skins when it suits.

[@ken440]

@@ThePeaceofWildThings like a nice skinwalker LOL.... oops im being rude again. Yes it is fascinating.

[@danielvargas9100]

@@ken440 do you know what flesh is?

[@ken440]

@danielvargas9100 You do ask funny questions my serious friend. flesh is what i just cut up to feed the dog. It means a created being, a human in bible speak. And Jesus was that promised word of God, promised from the beginning of Adams fall, the beginning of scripture (the seed of the woman will bruise the head of the devil), and again at beginning of the law , at the beginning of Israel entering their promised land, is Deut18:18 where God promised that one from their brothers (obviously a jewish human) will be the great one that God would speak THROUGH. NOTE THE THROUGH WORD. And later God promised David that one of his defendants would be that man, flesh of David. Flesh of Abraham, flesh of Eve. A last Adam same as the first flesh man that was disobedient and caused mans problem. Because logically if the first man transgressed, then the blood debt was owed by man (flesh) and so a man must pay that. Thats what happened, in the course of time the promised man was born, and that man Jesus manifested the spirit of God, doing what God promised in Deut18, allowing God to put words in Jesus mouth, in full obedience to his father God and this time (unlike the first Adam) this "last Adam" did NOT grasp at equality with God. Yes the words spoken by God from the beginning did indeed become that promised man, became flesh, the promise of God was fleshed out. Oh... you think God did a metaphysical conversion job, and put on a skin to be a temporary human?? surely not! better to read all your bible and see what i have just summarized Daniel bro.

[@johnchauke7492]

Thank you for the wonderful message. John 8:54Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is [worth] nothing. It is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’ I love this verse because Jesus himself tells us that the God whom they claim is their God is no one else but the Father. When the Jews say "Our God" they refer to the father according to Jesus and no other person.

[@ken440]

@@johnchauke7492 yes. John8 is so packed with non trinity statements and proofs, yet they cling to the I AM and point to how the Jews knew best, yet the Jews were the ones who were in the wrong. But the trinitarians believe the Jews were right... yet the same Jewish priesthood had their "God" killed... it staggers me to see how the trinitarians try to make that fly.

[@raytaylor2845]

I’m just baffled why the church trinitarians of course think God can die! Also they don’t believe YHWH can create or begot a human being to be the messiah! What’s easier to do be sinless man or a sinless god?

[@Edwardsmolyuk]

Great video!

[@biblicalunitarian]

Thanks!

[@achildofthelight4725]

"My Father is greater than I" is reflected back to who believes he is not equal to the Father as one..... By falling to your adversary, you rise up to his level.

[@rmbrunet6968]

Dear preatcher it is very interesting to liseling to you you tell it very good over the bible over the tekst.I m protestant and i pray for you preatcher brother for you.And i m read the bible study bible translation.I m now read chapter Deuternomium its very interessting brother to read it.And l look and liseling always every sunday to the church from half past 10 to till 11 0 clock.In the Netherland.It was very good brother preatcher to you.Amen. And god bless you.Greetings Rene Brunet de Rochebrune.Holland.Rijswijk.Zuid Holland.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Thank you!

[@juliealoem]

I'm a Christian but neither trinitarian or unitarian, I'm still trying to understand. Thank you for your clear explanations. I still have to research the trinitarian side more, but because it's "a mystery" it's honestly very confusing and even arguments in favour of it are often shrouded in complications and human interpretations. And when I read the Bible I have difficulty actually seeing the trinity concept. It's sad that being unitarian or even just doubting the trinity immediately gets you classified as heretic or JW.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Wow, cool to see the path you are on. I was on a very similar path as well at one time. Yes, please look into both sides and believe what you feel accounts for the biblical evidence the best. It sounds like you are looking at things with a pretty open mind which is awesome. Don't let fear tactics stop your from looking into Unitarianism. There is no passage in the entire scriptures which says you need to believe in the Trinity to be saved, or to believe that Jesus is God to be saved. You are still a Christian either way you land. One thing that was extremely helpful to me, was to look at the majority and let that help interpret the minority. Do the majority of texts teach that God is singular, and that Jesus is not God? Or do the majority of texts teach that God is a Trinity and that Jesus is God? And let the majority help interpret how you may be misunderstanding the minority. Best wishes in this journey!

[@juliealoem]

@biblicalunitarian That's so nice of you to take time to answer me ! Thank you for your kind and sensible advice. I think I do have an open mind and am not really scared to question things. I'm a "young" Christian and have been through a lot of different point of views and beliefs which is why even though the idea of being considered "heretic" can be bothering, in the end I don't really care being called heretic by people as long as God is not the one calling me that. I try to stick to the Bible and the "Apostles Creed" and then take everything outside of it with a grain of salt and ponder different possibilities. Also I think you're right that nowhere does it say to believe in the trinity to be saved anyway. The trinity and many other doctrinal issues that most Christians make as salvation issues are not, in my opinion. I think we should all be invested in finding the truth because it's important but not to the point that we forget the actual gospel's message. Thanks again : ).

[@biblicalunitarian]

@@juliealoem Wow, I couldn't agree more, I actually have a book on the Apostles' Creed that I'm beginning to write, about exactly what you are talking about. I would love to discuss this with you further, and any questions you may have about Unitarianism/Trinitarianism. My contact info is [e-mail] if you want to reach out.

[@miYAH-w1q]

​@@biblicalunitarian 😂 She is older than you 😤

[@biblicalunitarian]

@miYAH-w1q 1. How do you know that? 2. What did I say that would make you think I was talking down to her?

[@dboulos7]

As an exercise, I've always said to try and put yourself in a position where you need to defend the doctrine of the trinity - the desperation, eisegesis, presuppositions, and biases become so evident. At its best, it is derived by nothing but rabbit-trail hermeneutics - never a didactic or explicit statement defining the doctrine, nor a single trinitarian term, are to be found anywhere in Scripture. Worst of all: the utter idiocy and insanity that their conclusions lead to, that brings nothing but defamation to God. Most subversive and blasphemous doctrine in all of Christendom.

[@BreakingBreadwithBurke]

Spot on. If the Father is not truly greater (in nature and authority) than Jesus (as Trinitarians would have us believe) then it would mean Jesus is not telling the truth here. Trinitarians, in interpretive and theological audacity seem to think they know Jesus’s mind (or minds on T-ism) better than Jesus himself. And if the response is that T’s affirm this truth as well as it pertains to the economic Trinity (God as revealed in Scripture), but reject it as it pertains to the Ontological Trinity (God as He is in realty, in Himself)-they admit even more that their view of both God and Christ is extra-biblical. In other words, the roles of the Father and the Son that we see in Scripture don’t necessarily correspond to who God actually is in reality. And even some Trinitarians have rightly noted that this separation between the ontological and economic Trinity is a dangerous affirmation since one could be led to agnosticism on the matter-if indeed God is entirely different from how He has chosen to reveal Himself in the Scriptures. You nailed it with the bit on the Father alone being self-existent. Only the Father possesses aseity. One great question to ask Trinitarians after they’re confronted with this clear text and affirmation of Jesus, is, why is the Father the Father? That question in my view leads one to reasonably conclude that a great making property for the One True God must entail having the attribute of being unbegotten. One could also reasonably take the great-making argument further by showing that Jesus’s existence was because of the Father’s personal and meaningful will, not a necessary or impersonal state of affairs. That is, what makes the Father greater (even on Trinitarianism) is the fact that the Father in any possible world would be the Father, and the reason that is so is because of the Father’s will, not because the Father, Son, and Spirit are an abstract and necessary state of relations/affairs. No, what makes the Father great and greater is the fact that He alone is the explanation for the roles/positions of the Son and Spirit.

[@pozorovatellidi]

Trinitarian doctrine in my opinion gives one dangerous conclusion... "Jesus is God, so we as pure humans cannot live without sins as Jesus" what equals claiming sin victory in lives of people despite of Jesus's sacrifice, though Jesus said many time we shouldn't sin, we should be perfect as Father is perfect. It although removes Lordship from Jesus as people cannot follow Jesus in sinless lives.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Yep, Jesus certainly becomes less relatable.

[@thefly6537]

So let's add Pelagianism onto your laundry list of heresies too

[@ken440]

​@@thefly6537are you a heretic hunter? Are you certain of Pelagious's credentials and looked closely at this channel to make sure you dont hang the innocent? for e.g. as you seem to support trinity, then i could assume that you are roman catholic. Its their base teaching.

[@pozorovatellidi]

@@thefly6537 To be honest I had to search the term and the ideology as I'm not familiar with it and what it includes. In general I believe we need God's grace as a sin is an offence against God's will, and at the same time I believe we can live without sin as Jesus told us and showed us so. He didn't say "try not to sin", or "try to sin the least possible", "I know you cannot live without sin" etc., but sin no more, be perfect as Father is perfect, and Jesus as a human showed us it's possible. What way would you like to follow Jesus if not in not sinning? Of course it might be difficult for many and for some last longer to achieve it. Ask yourself when you start sinning after waking up, and also why you start sinning. Opening eyes in the morning... is it a sin? Putting you feet on the floor... is it a sin? Also accepting something in you mind is a sin... do you do it? I probably can tell you why you start sinning... if you do... because you believe in victory of sin, that living without sins is impossible, so why to bother. Of course it might get complicated sometimes not knowing what is a sin particularly in some areas... but if you don't know what is a sin how can you tell you sinned?

[@deborahrodriguez-castinado9536]

I’m Jewish. You may enjoy reading “Jesus’ Biological Father was Joseph: According to the New Testament” by DS WAGGONER.

[@waynewright1209]

Great video! (Hope this makes sense I've had time to think about these things) I'm not sure why Trinitarians are blind to this. I suppose I was at one time when I didn't think deeply about these things when I was Trinitarian in my thinking. But I propose that when Trinitarians argue that Jesus is equal to God, it is a lack of consideration. And this is what I mean: in the Trinitarian economy, equality exists between the persons of the Father, Son, and Spirit, and each person is said to be God. So Jesus can't be equal with God if he is God; he is equal with the Father, who also is said to be God, the self-same God. My fellow Trinitarians have an unrecognized problem when they assert that Jesus is equal with God. If Jesus is co-equal with the Father, and Jesus is said to be equal with God, then that makes the Father equal with God, which is absurd. The Father just is God, and Jesus is supposed to be equal with the Father; therefore, he would just be God. This is a mess. Let the Father be God alone, and it all goes away.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Yep, exactly, you're pinpointing that the scriptures define God as the Father, not as an essence that three persons share. When you get away from the way the scriptures use the term God, it becomes a mess.

[@davidmiranda5593]

Good video, but can you make explain than, who is Jesus? Who was he before coming to earth and who is he now? And who is the father and what is his name?

[@biblicalunitarian]

Well, the belief of our ministry is that Jesus did not exist prior to his birth. Now he is the Messiah and Lord sitting at the right hand of God who has been given all authority on heaven and earth (Matt. 28:18-20; Heb. 1:3). The Father is God who created all things, and his primary name is Yahweh, although he also has other names such as El Shaddai, etc.

[@ken440]

quick note in passing.. This "coming to earth" is a religious tradition supposed by the trinity doctrine. I know he was "sent into the world" but the word "world" as recoded in all the greek is "aeions" from which we get "eons" and has nothing to do with stars and planets but is the same context as when we see a fellow christian living the party life and say "you are a bit worldly" and so it means "age" as in "this evil age." We get the same misunderstanding from hollywood doing a parody of a preacher crying "the end of the world is at hand." look up Strongs G165. Note, according to scripture John T Baptist and Isaiah were both "sent into the world by God." But few notice the parallel, i didnt for nearly 40 years.

[@rayjean7209]

John 1:1 should read: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was divine. Try this: In the beginning was the son, and the son was with his father and the son was his father.!.?

[@ken440]

he is the son and he is his father???? you said this. It makes a nonsense of your first sentence. Like how can he be the son if he is the father. it makes rubbish out of being the son. Listen to this video again, a few times with your ears engaged. I pray you hear it yourself. The sudden revelation that trinity is just a foolishness. Jesus is the lamb OF God, not God.

[@charlestiraco8634]

​​​@@ken440I think that his comment went over your head there lol read it again... notice the punctuation.

[@ken440]

@@charlestiraco8634 yeah, i see the ! and the ? .... my bad. But then they dont need the capital W on word. Because it is about Gods word, not a personal name. i.e. I stand on the word. Not the Word. but it will rub it in for any trinnie that comes along, so i wont delete. thnx.

[@henryodera5726]

I think that the difficulties in John 1:1 come from the reader's assumptions that "the word" refers to a person rather than the saying(s) of God. This is what leads some to interpret John 1:1 as "person A (the word) was with person B (God), and person A was thing A (also God)". Notice the shift from identifying God as a person, to identifying God as a thing or "being" as they say. This problem isn't caused by the word "God", but by interpreting the word to be a person. In John 12:50, Jesus says that God's commandment is eternal life. When we read this, we don't assume that eternal life exists in the nature of a commandment. We assume that the commandment is an instruction concerning eternal life. Because a commandment is an instruction. John 1:1c could also mean that the word is a statement/teaching/testimony concerning God, if we in fact understand the word to be a word (just like it says) rather than a person. It would be similar to saying, "the word was eternal life", to mean that the word was about eternal life, or was a means to eternal life (see 1 John 1:2).

[@campusclimber]

1. Jesus' Humiliation and Incarnation: The statement "the Father is greater than I" must be understood in the context of Jesus' incarnational mission. When Jesus speaks these words, He is referring to His state of humiliation and voluntary submission in His role as the Son of God during His earthly ministry. In the incarnation, the Son willingly took on human limitations and became fully human while remaining fully divine. Philippians 2:6-8 explains this: "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness." Jesus, in His humanity, humbled Himself, which explains why He would speak of the Father as "greater." This is not a statement of ontological inferiority (i.e., the Father being greater in essence or divinity), but rather a recognition of the temporary and voluntary subordination of the Son's role in the plan of salvation. 2. Jesus' Role as the Son: The phrase "the Father is greater than I" reflects Jesus' role as the Son within the divine economy of salvation. The Trinity is not a hierarchical structure based on inferior and superior but on distinct roles and relationships. As the Son, Jesus submits to the Father in the plan of redemption (e.g., John 5:19, "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing..."). However, this submission does not imply inferiority in nature or being. Rather, it reflects the Son's mission to reveal and accomplish the Father's will on earth. Submission to the Father does not negate their equal divinity but is part of the Son's role in the salvific work. 3. The Context of Jesus' Departure: The full context of John 14:28 involves Jesus preparing His disciples for His departure, which will lead to His glorification and His return to the Father. In this context, Jesus' statement should be seen as emphasizing the temporary nature of His earthly state. The Father is "greater" in the sense that He is not subject to the limitations of the Son’s incarnate state (as Jesus is about to return to the Father in glory). The idea is that, although Jesus is fully divine, His earthly mission involved voluntary submission to the Father in order to accomplish redemption. After His resurrection and ascension, He will return to the Father, and His exalted status will be revealed (Philippians 2:9-11). In the meantime, He speaks of the Father being "greater" due to the present state of His humanity. 4. The Equality of the Father and Son: Throughout the Gospel of John, Jesus repeatedly affirms His equality with the Father in terms of essence and divinity. For example: John 10:30: "I and the Father are one." John 14:9: "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." John 5:18-23: Jesus claims to have equal authority with the Father in judgment, the giving of life, and the receiving of honor. These statements clearly show that the Father and the Son are equal in nature and divinity, even if their roles in the redemption story involve different functions or relational dynamics. 5. The “Greater” Is Not About Nature: It’s important to recognize that "greater" in this context does not necessarily refer to superiority in nature or essence but refers to position or role. The Father, in this case, is "greater" because He is the source of the Son’s mission and the origin of all things (John 5:26, "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son also to have life in Himself"). The Son, though fully God, has a derived role in the economy of salvation and the authority to carry out God’s plan. 6. The Trinitarian Understanding: In Trinitarian theology, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are equal in essence but distinct in their roles. The Son, while equal to the Father in divine nature, submits to the Father’s will in the work of redemption. This submission is part of the functional subordination of the Son within the framework of the Trinity, not an ontological or essential inferiority. Therefore, John 14:28 should not be understood as a statement of inequality in divine nature. It speaks to the temporary state of the Son’s mission on earth. Once Jesus completes His work of salvation, His equality with the Father will be fully and clearly revealed.

[@muppetonmeds]

Yes depending on what form he is in. Just as if I turned myself into a mouse I wouldn't have the strength of a human or hands to accomplish the things I could do as a man. Take care

[@footstories92]

Thank you so much. God bless you.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Did you copy this from chat gpt? None of these verses that you cited teach that Jesus is equal in essence or divinity: "John 10:30: "I and the Father are one." John 14:9: "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father." John 5:18-23: Jesus claims to have equal authority with the Father in judgment, the giving of life, and the receiving of honor." However, when Jesus says he "does not know the day or hour of his return" (Mark 13:32) and says he "cannot do anything" on his own (John 5:19) those are explicitly clear that his essence differs from that of God the Father. Not to mention the times he explicitly says the Father is Greater than he is (John 14:28; Mark 10:18).

[@ChappySinclair]

Do you believe there is one being God in heaven or three being God in heaven?

[@fionawoo3519]

Hope you have Chinese version as well. God bless you and your work 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@biblicalunitarian]

Thank you, what do you mean? You want to translate this into Chinese?

[@fionawoo3519]

@@biblicalunitarian if possible, there's Chinese subtitle will be good enough.

[@muppetonmeds]

Hosea 13 4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no [saviour] beside me.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Yep!

[@ken440]

yes, agreed. God and only God can save us from the death that came into the creation through Adams disobedience. Thats why God provided the lamb, his begotten son that He provided. So God saves. by provision. So Jesus saves by being that provision. So you save yourself by exercising your belief by faith in that covering blood which was shed for all who would seek Gods salvation. Get it? its got nothing to do with intrinsic value where Jesus has to be god to be able to save many. Jesus us the "last Adam" this time obedient, who has been raised to Gods right hand. A right hand man. Just like Joseph was raised to Pharaohs right hand, a story from Genesis which is a foreshadow of Gods methodology.

[@ken440]

@ThePeaceofWildThings exactly.

[@TwRitchie888]

Jesus never lied. And yes your soul is GREATER than your body too.

[@henryodera5726]

Are you saying that the Father is the soul, and Jesus is the body?

[@TwRitchie888]

@henryodera5726 Yes and He is only one being.

[@henryodera5726]

@@TwRitchie888 This isn't what the bible teaches. Jesus has His own soul distinct from the Father's: "You (Father) will not abandon My (Jesus') soul to Sheol"

[@TwRitchie888]

@henryodera5726 No you are miss understanding. The Soul of the Father is the Soul of Jesus Christ. He is just one person just as you are created in the image of God and are only one person. You do not have to souls. When God created man in His own IMAGE, he was speaking of spirit, soul & body. Although the Body has a separate will from the Soul and so do you. That's why Paul said For that which I (the soul) do I (the body) allow not: for what I (the soul) would, that do I (the body) not; but what I (the soul) hate, that do I (the body). Romans 7:14 This is why Jesus Christ (the Body) was saying to the Father (the Soul)...if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my (the Body of the GODHEAD) but thine (the SOUL of the GODHEAD), be done. Luke 22: 42 Then said they UNTO him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father; if you had known me (the Body of Jehovah God), you should have known my (the Body) Father (the SOUL of Jesus Christ) also. John 8:19 The reason why Jesus Christ (the flesh of Jehovah God) speaks this way in the scripture is because His Body was on earth, while His SOUL (THE FATHER) WAS IN HEAVEN. God can SEPARATE HIMSELF from HIMSELF, we being created in the Image of God cannot do that. AND HE SAID UNTO THEM, YE ARE FROM BENEATH: I (the Flesh of Jehovah God) am from above: ye are of this world; I (the Flesh of Jehovah God) am not of this world. I (the Flesh of Jehovah God) said therefore UNTO you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I (the Flesh of Jehovah God) am HE (the SOUL of Jesus Christ), ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24

[@TwRitchie888]

@henryodera5726 You are quoting from a corrupt satanic perversion of "THE" HOLY BIBLE (THE AUTHORIZED KING JAMES BIBLE AND NO OTHER) that has Devil spirits in it. For THOU (Father God) wilt not leave my (the soul of David) in Hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy ONE (Jesus Christ) to see corruption. Psalm 16:10 You cannot keep reading from a corrupt satanic perversion of "THE" BIBLE and be right with God. "The" WRITTEN word of God says if you mess with His WRITTEN word (The AUTHORIZED King James Bible and no other) your name will be taken out of the BOOK of LIFE. Ref:Revelation 22:18-19

[@jdaze1]

To WHOMEVER overcomes he will inherit ALL THINGS. I will be his Elohiem and he will be MY SON" Revelation 21:7. " I said, YOU are eloheim and are all SONS of the MOST High" Psalm 82:6. Everyone born of the spirit are one with the Father.and are dual natured and divine. For goodness sake the creator of the Universe lives INSIDE US. Of course we are now dual natured!!!!

[@biblicalunitarian]

Yes, we have God inside of us, through the holy spirit. The problem is, the Trinitarian claim is that Jesus is 100% man 100% God which is a contradiction, not that Jesus is 50% man and 50% God.

[@jdaze1]

@biblicalunitarian True. Trinitarians need serious prayer from their deception.

[@TheTechnoinflux]

John 3:16 is one of the most well-known and frequently quoted verses in the Bible. It reads: "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." Dear how could we justify this verse to the Christians who believe in Trinity, what does it means only son here.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Probably a better translation would be "unique" Son, because Jesus is not the only son of God. Adam was the son of God, Angels are "sons of God", Christians are "sons and daughters of God".

[@TheTechnoinflux]

@biblicalunitarian dear they use to focus on word "only son"

[@asies2023]

8:53 just reminded me of the creation when God said he wanted to make man His image and likeness not to make man into a being like God himself which wouldn't make sense because even so it would be created being.

[@biblicalunitarian]

yep good point. Remember Adam was in the image of God, so being in the image of God actually makes you NOT God himself. But an image bearer

[@1alekdor1]

Hi, most important thing that, God created man from dirt, he wasn’t created from Word. All creatures and earth was created from word but human. God shared his breath blowing His life into the dirt. Only Jesus has recovery spirit. 1 Korinf 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

[@ken440]

It certainly is crazy how trinitarians would still argue against this teaching. It makes them be like the masses in a zombie movie.

[@maxprescott9371]

Hello,, Trinitarian here.. I don’t appreciate your stupid and judgemental “zombie” comment.. it is pure 🐴💩

[@ken440]

@maxprescott9371 thank you Max. Theres still time to see the truth.

[@maxprescott9371]

@@ken440 In light of your Zombie comment, stop and think 💭 about the following,, Earliest Christianity Those who wrote, preserved , collected, verified, codeified The New Testament, were ALL TRINITIARIAN in their Theological Base, without them We would Not have a New Testament,,,, YOU just called them All ZOMBIES 🧟‍♀️

[@ken440]

@@maxprescott9371 Really Max, you and I have debated before, on another of these unitarian channels, so you like to come here. Why? When we speak respectfully, like this man here is doing, pointing out the logic of scripture, we have regular trinitarians who come and abuse us, threatening and sarcastic. This teaching shows the fallacy of the error of trinity, and the bible has thousands of verses that promise a human messiah, while a few seem to say Jesus is God, and those are your proof texts. A few against thousands, not to mention the overall logic of scripture which is the issue i normally raise when folk like yourself come and quote jn1 or jn8:58 or phil2:6. So i was intentionally slightly rude with my zombie comment, to rouse a comment, or try to jolt one of you into actually listening to what this video points out. So take off your blinders for a moment and consider the points made in this teaching. You came here either because you are interested or to debate. Consider this Max, the way is narrow, etc. in the biblical record every crunch point, flood, Babel, Mt Carmel, each prophet, the crucifixion, we see that the majority priesthood or religious tradition of belief, is wrong. There is always a drift into error by religious structure. This now at end of this church age is the issue we are trying to alert you all to. The churchy system has become religious, just like the priesthood in Jesus time, where he was seen by the pharisees as a heretic. Religious tradition created by men, is the issue of the trinity or the pre diety of Jesus.

[@ken440]

@ThePeaceofWildThings Yes. I call it "churchianity" and its exactly the same symptoms as the issue of the pharisees opposing Jesus and the apostles. People in power and authority who should know better. When I was shown all this 7 years ago, by a sort of miraculous kick in the backside, it blew my mind! I had always thought God was in control, and He would make sure none of us would go astray. That was a kind of calvinism, I had not considered the total free will of the individual. I think that issue lies at the heart of error. Too much trust in fallible human leadership.

[@EnHacore1]

Oh but the Trinitarian says this is just "grater in economy" not in essence. Just greater in the role, not in the being.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Yep. That's why I talk about how they are not "equal in essence"

[@manfredman5075]

Technically, John 3:16 doesn't exclude the possibility of equality. Not the best verse to use perhaps

[@biblicalunitarian]

Not sure what you are referring to. I didn't use John 3:16 in the video to my knowledge.

[@euston2216]

7:36 - "A man has a different nature than a God." JOHN 8 *(REV)* [17] Now even in your law it is written that the testimony of two *MEN* is true. [18] I am one who testifies about myself, and the Father who sent me testifies about me. In verse 17, Jesus refers to a "two MEN" law, and then in verse _18,_ he applies the "two MEN" law to himself ("MAN" #1) *and the Father* ("MAN" #2). So there you have it. Even according to the REV, both Jesus *and the Father* have a different nature than a God.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Do you believe that in John 10:18 Jesus is calling God a human male? Is that your argument? Also, do you not believe that a man has a different nature than a God? Notice, in the text, Jesus never calls the Father a man, he is stating a principle and then applying to himself and to God. It seems that what Jesus is doing is saying, 'Now even in your law the testimony of two men is true. Therefore, since I testify about myself and God himself testifies about me, then what I am saying must be true.' His argument is from a Lesser to a Greater. If even the testimony of two men is true, then the testimony of a man (Jesus) and an even greater being than a man (God), must be true. Jesus explicitly calls his Father "God," not a "man," later in the same chapter, "“If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God.’" (John 8:54)

[@euston2216]

@@biblicalunitarian If you were in court and said, _"I testify that I was at home on the night of the crime, and my father also testifies that I was at home on the night of the crime",_ would it be true that the court heard testimony from two men? No, because your father, a person distinct from yourself, did not actually give his testimony before the court. _You_ testified on his behalf, which means nothing. Now then... If _Jesus_ was in "court" and said, _"I am one that _*_bear witness [present tense]_*_ of myself, and the Father that sent me _*_beareth witness [present tense]_*_ of me"_ (John 8:18), would it be true that the "court" heard testimony from two men? Well, if the Father is a person distinct from Jesus, then the answer is No, because no person distinct from Jesus was *presently bearing witness* before the "court". So if the Father is in fact a person distinct from Jesus - as Unitarians assert - then Jesus spoke _falsely_ when he testified that the Father was *presently bearing witness.* But of course Jesus _never_ speaks falsely. However, he occasionally _does_ speak _sarcastically,_ and that's what HE - the Father manifested in true human form - was doing in John 8:17-18. _>>> "Do you believe that...Jesus is calling God a human male? Is that your argument?"_ No. I was being sarcastic.

[@biblicalunitarian]

I didn't realize you were a modalist. Personally, I think John 8:17-18 makes even less sense from a Modalist perspective. His whole argument is based on two different parties bearing witness to himself. If the Father is not a second party, his whole argument makes zero sense. I don't think Jesus was being sarcastic because he claims that the works the Father does through him bear witness about himself (John 5:36; 10:25). So, in other words, Jesus' miracles are the way the Father testifies about him. Jesus is not claiming an audible testimony from God the Father in that exact moment, especially given that in the text, the Pharisees say "where is your Father?" (John 8:19).

[@euston2216]

@@biblicalunitarian If Jesus is matter-of-factly making an argument in John 8:17-18, then it's an extremely foolish one. The law he cites applies to created human beings, not to the Father, whose testimony stands alone as truth. Pairing the Father's testimony with the testimony of some other person, as if that other person's testimony actually matters, is foolishness. So obviously Jesus is _not_ matter-of-factly making an argument in John 8:17-18. *JOHN 8 (KJV)* [12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, *I am the light of the world:* he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. [13] The Pharisees therefore said unto him, *Thou bearest record of thyself;* thy record is not true. ... [18] (Jesus speaking) I am one that *bear witness [present tense]* of myself, and the Father that sent me *beareth witness [present tense]* of me. According to Jesus, both he *and the Father* are presently testifying before the Pharisees that Jesus is the light of the world. So either: (1) The Father is NOT presently testifying before the Pharisees, in which case Jesus is bearing false witness, or (2) The Father IS presently testifying before the Pharisees, in which case Jesus IS the Father, as no person distinct from Jesus is presently testifying before the Pharisees. It's clear that (1) is not a possibility, because Jesus does not bear false witness. Which leaves us with (2) as the truth.

[@charlestiraco8634]

I went to a oneness church for about a year and a half. I now realize their God doctrine is even worse than the Trinity. If you can't see there is another prominent figure called God the Father along with Jesus Christ in the NT, I don't know what to tell you. 30 million believers in those churches. It's really, really sad.

[@nks2269]

Is there any video of Paul and why he say many things Jesus never said?

[@_stxry8705]

like what specifically?

[@wserthmar8908]

Great info on the topic of issues with Paul is on here: youtube.com/@jesuswordsonly

[@mohamedsabrani2958]

Paul is a false apostle, he is the opponent of the apostle Peter the rock of the Church

[@wserthmar8908]

@@_stxry8705, quite a lot, actually. His words on getting saved; certain commands that contradict Jesus (like on women, and on what to do with a heretic.) Paul is called out in Revelation 2, James, and Jude. *Edited:* my elaborate reply, since YT deletes my comments Раul having been selected by Jеsus is Раul's own words. We have very little info on Аnanias. He doesn't appear after Раul's cоnversion to confirm his words. Besides, pеоple who were with Раul, асcording to Раul himself, didn't understand Jеsus' words. So they wоuldn't be able to confirm his wоrds either. Mоreover, Раul had 3 different соnversion testimоnies, with the third оne being the longest, *and* lacking Аnanias - who supposedly healed Раul's eyes, pretty big deal if you ask me. Cоmpare: Аcts 9:4-6; Аcts 22:6-10; Аcts 26:13-18 Regarding the Ароstles. It's recorded in Аcts 22:18 Раul's Jesus apparently wasn't able to assure Jеrusalem believers (there were myriаds of them according to Аcts 21) Раul indeed was chosen by him. So Раul's Jesus said hе had to flее, because likely Раul's testimоny would be lacking, pеrhaps even due to the reasons I described. And Раul's Jеsus didn't want to help him with confirming his validity to the Аpostles. The likеly beginning of the rift between Раul, and the Аpostles was recorded in Аcts 21. The Aроstles finally received the rumоurs about the true соntents of Paul's ерistles. The rift would lead to Jаmes, Judе, and Revеlation 2 criticising Раul, and Раul, criticising the Ароstles. Раul was there to test the bеlievers. He was rejected by most bеlievers of the 1st century. He lаmented he was rejесted by the Аsian beliеvers (Remеmber in Rеvelation 2:2 Ерhesus, a major Аsian city is praised for rеjecting falsе ароstles). His acceptance begаn in the 2nd cеntury, and wаsn't universal, and becаme big in the 4th cеntury with Соnstantine's intеrference. Mоreover, Jеsus likely wаrned about him at lеаst 3 times. Rаvenous wоlves passage, Jеsus sауing he wоuldn't аррear in wildеrness or рrivate rooms, and саlling the оne рrеасhing lаwlessness the lеаst (Pаulus is litеrally trаnslаted аs thе lеаst.)

[@nks2269]

@@_stxry8705 there is many I have seen and when I go back to look I can’t find Jesus say this etc. Jesus remind us of the law and Paul say we are not under law, Jesus never mention woman to be silent but Paul do. I read once that Peter and Paul fought because he didn’t like that Paul change Jesus teachings 🤷🏼‍♀️ but idk, I would be interesting to see a video or get it explained somehow

[@ezekielsaltar4728]

How does Jesus being the re-incarnation of Adam sound? This concept aligns with Judaism (Kabbalah).

[@ken440]

how does simply being another Adam sound?

[@xxxViceroyxxx]

maybe it depends on what you mean by reincarnation... technically by etymology it would mean "put it in a body again," as in, their spirit or essence of some sort is separable from their body, which would be dualism and probably not correct

[@ezekielsaltar4728]

@@ken440 Perhaps but why would another Adam have to fix the sin of the first Adam. It is only fair that the first Adam clean up his mess.

[@ken440]

@@ezekielsaltar4728 Because the problem of disconnection of man from God was Mans problem. "by one man came sin and through sin death, by the second man came life eternal. One man broke it, the debt is owed by Adam as you say. So another perfect man, the "last Adam" pays the debt. Very simple. If God has to be the one to fix it, then why didnt he fix it way back after it happened? Its all about the cat and mouse game the nenemy has played, because Adam gave him the craetion, and its been in travail ever since, waiting for what was originally planned by God, that His human sons would be His representatives in the created world. That is what is restored in Rev21/22, after the last Adam has done away with the problems caused by that naughty first Adam. Its the story of the whole bible my friend. one man broke it. The second man fixes it.

[@ezekielsaltar4728]

@@ken440 "one man broke it. The second man fixes it." Why can't they be the same man? God incarnating as a man isn't logical because God could just forgive and not have to go through the whole thing. Also, Jesus wasn't perfect, he had mortality which means sin. What is meant when they say Jesus was "sinless" is that he did what God wanted (obedience) unto death.

[@tylerchurch6945]

John 10:30 and John 17:21 are about will and spirit that is how Yeshua and Yahweh are one and not physically but spiritually

[@TRUTHSEEKER12397]

one in purpose.

[@gamertag7676]

Jesus has two nature's, one human and one divine, in his human nature the father is greater but equal in divine nature, Jesus did say he and his father are one, Jesus forgave sins, he said before Abraham was I am, god also referred to himself as I am in exodus

[@biblicalunitarian]

Firstly, Jesus, nor the NT authors, ever teaches any of this, "Jesus has two nature's, one human and one divine, in his human nature the father is greater but equal in divine nature." Secondly, how are we supposed to know when Jesus is talking out of his human side or the God side of his mouth? I know Trinitarians often pick and choose which verses are which, but do you see how it is a completely arbitrary distinction that Jesus never makes? For example, in Mark 13:32 Jesus says he doesn't know the day or hour, Trinitarians say, "Jesus is speaking from his human nature," yet in John 10:30 when Jesus says, "I and the Father are one," Trinitarians will say, "Jesus is speaking from his divine nature!" Yet, nowhere in the entire New Testament is this distinction taught. Nowhere. Do you think that is maybe reading into the text something that isn't there, and turning Jesus into a Schizophrenic Jesus, in which he talks out of two different natures at various times? Also, the disciples also were given the power to forgive sins (John 20:23). It doesn't make Jesus equally divine.

[@ken440]

did you actually listen to the logic of this video? I know it goes against your current theology, but have you realized every denomination regards the others as being wrong in some detail, so obviously there is a need to look into this very carefully. I know how you think those statements prove the trinity, i used to teach it myself. Theres a much more logical way as explained in this video, have a careful study of it all.

[@gamertag7676]

​​@@ken440 well I watch a lot of stuff from Sam shamoun, and David wood, I'm a Baptist Christian, and believe in the Trinity, cause it's important, I personally believe in the Trinity, cause Jesus forgave sin, he called himself I am, which was blasphemous in his time to say such things

[@ken440]

@gamertag7676 OK. I am a pentecostal evangelical with many baptist friends who i worked with in establishing christian radio in my area (i was the radio technician) and during that time and the 30 years following we were all trinitarian. 7 years ago i did a serious study of scripture following God showing me a misinterpreted verse in 1cor12. It shocked me in the way christians had used the verse and how it was supposed to be. That started a deep and prayerful study. I found five issues that church tradition had slightly misunderstood in the centuries following the passing of the apostles. All the whole bible fell into logical comprehension when they were understood. An exciting and blessed time, except the baptists (always strong in their "rightness" in the word, ) said i was a heretic. One of those issues is this one the unitarians teach. That Jesus is not God, and the trinity is bogus. So on this issue (one of the two big issues to me) i join them in trying to alert the others, that just as in Jesus time, the priesthood had inflated their law and claimed Jesus was a heretic, so in this age religious tradition has distorted the understanding of scripture. Natural enough because we all have free will that God does not force us out of, and the devil who is the god of this age has done his utmost to confuse and disrupt communication in us, his enemy. Just as happened in Jesus time, the time of the prophets, moses time, Babel and the flood.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Gamertag7676, I would strongly advise you to not consistently listen to Sam Shamoun. The way in which he insults and attacks his opponents is not Christian behavior. You are welcome to listen to and study under other Trinitarian leaders, such as John Piper, Matt Chandler, Paul Washer, etc. even though I disagree with them, they have a greater heart posture of love.

[@NinjaDomain]

I believe Jesus is The Son (first begotten) of God, however, how do you explain Philippians 2:6?

[@ken440]

@@NinjaDomain phil2:5 -6 is comparing the obedient servant (last Adam) with the disobedient first Adam who grasped at being equal (all knowledg of good and evil) with God. Just as the devil who tempted eve also craved to be equal with God. Jesus was obedient, not grasping at the chance of self promotion, but followed his Gods leading, even the cross.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Yep, Ken has some great points. Just remember Phil. 2:6 never says Jesus is equal to God, it says he didn't consider "becoming/grasping at" equality with God. I certainly think there are parallels with Adam. Christ is the greater Adam. Also, when it says that Jesus is in the "appearance" of God, that means he is not God. The coin bearing Caesar's image is not Caesar, just as, Jesus bearing God's image, is not God.

[@NinjaDomain]

@@biblicalunitarian Thanks! Who do you think the US is in about three places in Genesis? I think not completely clear yet have some thoughts.

[@chronic_daydreamer]

One of the strangest arguments with Trinitarians is how inconsistent they are with the “mode” of Jesus’ existence. They frequently say he is fully god and fully man as well as eternally god, and will claim “sola scriptura,” but then when you show them that Jesus emptied himself and took on the form of a slave as Philippians 2:7 says, and who was “made a little lower than angels” (and thus logically lower than God) as Hebrews 2:9 says, they will jump through hoops to deny what those verses say. It can only be one or the other. Either Jesus is and has always been God, or you consider him a liar despite him telling us forthright that “the Father is greater than I.” It’s clear that Jesus is not a liar and nothing needs to be read into what he said. He told us straightforwardly. He is God’s Son, not God the Son.

[@ken440]

@@chronic_daydreamer absolutely. good points.

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

Of all tons of prophets sent by God from Adam till the end, suddenly there was news of trinity?? what?? How come incarnation came very late?? Even ChatGPT said Jesus is NOT God in an unbiased perspective.. Read my lips! : in an unbiased perspective

[@adam_meek]

Wi wud jesus need t say such a thing firstof?

[@biblicalunitarian]

In the context of John 14:28 he says this statement so that they would rejoice, instead of mourn, at his leaving them. Because the Father is Greater than he is.

[@adam_meek]

@@biblicalunitarian þank you for responding. and, if I may, John 8:58 ἐγώ εἰμι - is jesus merely saying 'God' - without saying, in effect, *ἐγώ ἐγώ εἰμι* ie I am I AM? In Galatians 4:14, Paul seems to say jesus is an angel which ties in with Philippians - he humbled himself (unlike another angel ie satan who'd dun the opposit)?

[@ken440]

​@@adam_meekJesus didnt say "God" because Exodus3 doesnt say "I am IAM" ot says "ego eimi ho on." so as you have an ability to write in the original language than you will know what that means. It is not using I AM as a name, the "title" given is "ho on" So the "ego eimi" part of the angels utterance from the burning bush is just identifying the the message as coming from "the Being." ego eimi is therefore not a name, but Jesus identifying himself with contextual subject, that being about Abraham being glad when he saw he would be the father of the future messiah. Jesus is saying "Thats me!" or as eigo eimi is translated in numerous other places "I am he." this os not rocket science, when I was shown the logic of language in this verse, after just accepting the I AM thing for 40 years, the logic was plain to see, just no one had ever pointed it out, so i saw it straight away and saw that your convoluted comparison with Ex3:14 is just a religious tradition perpetuated in church speak. Have a careful study of it all. Every unitarian channel covers this one.

[@TRUTHSEEKER12397]

Great video.....But REV is a changed Bible!

[@biblicalunitarian]

What do you mean?

[@TRUTHSEEKER12397]

@@biblicalunitarian It's a product of Catholicism, based on their manuscripts, and has all these words and phrases deleted!.....www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/300_changes.htm

[@always_seek_truth]

Here's a great explanation... /watch?v=XOEt7Xll4HY

[@elhombre162]

Ah, Arianism

[@ken440]

no its not, he taught that Jesus was pre existant divine being... like trinitarians teach... you wont find that here, so be careful when you pronounce judgement.

[@elhombre162]

⁠@@ken440perhaps you are right and I spoke too quickly. I apologize. Please help me understand if I am misunderstanding the theology. If Jesus is a pre existent divine being, then either there are multiple pre existent divine beings (The Father and Jesus) or Jesus has to have been created. These options are polytheism or Arianism respectively. The only other option I see is that, if Jesus is a pre existent divine being, he is God; that is, one substance in three persons.

[@ken440]

@@elhombre162 There are many pre (human) existent beings. These are called the firstborn, or the "host of heaven" or the "sons of God" or in simplistic churchspeak "angels." (angel from greek "angelos" simply means "messenger") and as they are not all doing the job of being a messenger all the time, are therefore best seen as the sons of God or the "divine assembly" that God is often shown in scripture as addressing, seeking opinions from, or castigating for their unfaithfulness (psm82 and 89 among other places, and Deut82 when they are assigned to watch over the nations at Babel separation of language) They are the ones some of whom rebelled and are become the "gods of the nations" or the "kings of the north" and one of whom tempted Adam into sin so that the satan became the "god of this world." As Paul says "for there are many gods and many lords...." BUT. BUT There is only ONE God MOST HIGH. One God who sits on the mount of assembly (Zion) whole the others all come before Him. Yes I know you will cry "panthiest... panthiest!" but no I didnt say they were all God. But they are all angelic beings (elohim) so they are above us. Except for Jesus who as one of us was fully obedient unto death and has been raised "SO MUCH HIGHER than angels" to the right hand of the God most high. 2iC !! And we are told in the epistles that we are a new creation, to be raised in glory ass Jesus is, so we too will be above them, yet still less than God most high. This is the secret hid in God (eph3) that had they (those rebels) known (that this would happen) then they would not have (influenced the Jewish elders to have) killed the son of Glory." These "slavering bulls of Bashan" (psm22) Simple really, its a jungle out there dude. Ever heard of a "spiritual war?" well thats what we are all caught up in. Whos side do you want to fight for?

[@guardedcitadel5837]

Don’t confuse Father/Son.

[@__rezin__7819]

"Jesus is not God!" proceeds to worship jesus and ascribes all the same exact attributes to him as god. you may not call him God but all of your actions say other wise lmao

[@biblicalunitarian]

Worshipping Jesus does not make him God, it is an act of reverence and honor done to many people throughout the Bible in positions of superiority. Joseph’s brothers “worshipped” him (Gen. 43:26). Joshua fell down and “worshipped” an angel (Joshua 5:14). Ruth “worshipped” Boaz (Ruth 2:10). David “worshipped” Jonathan (1 Sam. 20:41). Abigail “worshipped” David (1 Sam. 25:41). And we don't ascribe to him the same attributes as to God.

[@__rezin__7819]

@biblicalunitarian lol

[@ken440]

​@@__rezin__7819you think its lol funny? you claimed my reading was questionable but here the answer you got is very telling, yet you dont appear to have read the point, instead you laugh at the messenger? You are so certain of your rightness?

[@thefly6537]

Thomas could call Jesus his Lord and God, and you're certainly no greater than Thomas

[@ken440]

no, Thomas suddenly realized what Jesus had been telling them. That God was manifesting in Thomas's friend Jesus and that Jesus was actually that messiah promised. Thats the "Lord" that he says. That Thomas was suddenly seeing Jesus had Gods spirit manifesting in him, so Thomas exclaims to them both. It doesnt mean Jesus is actually God! Like a kid says "I want to see Santa and Rudolf. It doesnt mean santa is a deer or that Rudolf is actually santa... !!

[@thefly6537]

@@ken440 this is the stupidest explanation I've ever heard for anything

[@ken440]

@thefly6537 really? Have a read of the prophecy that Moses uttered from God, in Deut18:18.

[@ken440]

@thefly6537 and try Gen3:15 where God promises at the beginning of mans fall from grace, that "the seed of the woman, will bruise the head of the serpent." Now Eve is the flower of mankind, and as we are all descended from her, she is the mother of all man. We are her "seed." A seed of Eve is therefore a human. Jesus called himself a "son of man" so many times, and it implies he is that seed of the woman. A son from the source of man, Eve. Scripture says Jesus was sent to "destroy the works of the devil" and the expression "bruise the head" means just the same, wreck the work that the devil has thought up in his head. That ol devil. Jesus defeats him. Destroys his works that he thought up with his head. Jesus christ does this. ("christ" is greek for "anointed one" meaning the one promised that God anoints to defeat the devil. one anointed has to be separate and less than the one (God) who does the anointing. So Jesus cant be God. Thomas suddenly comprehends Deut18:18, that one of their own jewish brothers will be anointed by God (messiah in hebrew) so that he will channel God almighty. God will speak through that anointed Jewish man. Jn8:40.

[@thefly6537]

@@ken440 i don't know what you're trying to prove with that verse

[@marktravis5162]

The Father was greater because Jesus was in the flesh

[@ken440]

If you are in christ and christ is in you, then is he not still "in flesh?"

[@marktravis5162]

@ If you wanna count the spirit of God in you, but I’m talking about his physical body that he had when he was on earth

[@TikkunFiat]

In 1st corinthians 15, Jesus was not in the flesh, yet he's still less and submitting to the father

[@ken440]

@@marktravis5162 that physical body when he was among us, is now resurrected into a more superior body, one that can travel in the spirit realm while still having a BBQ on the beach with his fisherman friends. Get it? He is now raised to be the right hand man, second in command to God, seated beside the throne. Like Joseph was raised to be second in command in Egypt, under Pharaoh only. Same principle, its a foreshadow.

[@marktravis5162]

@ Jesus is not in a physical body anymore

[@jjdelamo6246]

God's image is holiness.. God is spirit and invisible. see Ephesians 4:24 Ephesians 4:24 in Other Translations24 and to put on the new self, created after the likeness of God in true righteousness and holiness. 24 Put on your new nature, created to be like God-truly righteous and holy. 24 and working itself into your conduct as God accurately reproduces his character in you.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Totally agree. Something a lot of people miss. Many theologians have suggested "being made in the image of God" means humans have superior intellectual or communication abilities, which is true. However, the reason Jesus is the image of God, the perfect image, is because he is sinless, not because he is smarter than all other humans. The more sinless you are, the closer you are to the image of God.

[@ronymattew122]

But what if all these verses are meant to be understood the other way around " God became a man to be offered as a sinless sacrifice to save man from the wrath of God" - meaning, Jesus spoke as a man and not as a deity. There was no hope for humanity to save themselves from the wrath of God since all were under the curse of sin. Hence God himself became man to save man. Hope you will clear this dilemma. I still believe that Jesus is not equal to God but, he is a created being - a man. Otherwise how can Mary conceive a human child in her womb without a natural man inseminating her? There is an element of 'deity' in Jesus that I don't know how to explain. If he is a natural man, how come he disappeared into thin air on the fiftieth day negating all natural laws? There are many questions not answered by Unitarians even though I want to base my belief in God who is not a Trinity. Expecting your response. God bless.

[@zoolanderhansel]

You said it yourself. "He is a created being - a man". God is eternal. Jesus had a beginning and was born human. Just because he was born without insemination doesn't mean he's the same nature as God. As for disappearing into thin air, other humans were also taken by God. Search up Elijah and Enoch. If you believe God has limitless power then all those things you're questioning is possible.

[@ken440]

If God can create the first man out of dirt, then as Mary is descended from the dirt man, and we are all flesh, earth to earth, dust to dust and ashes to ashes, then God can form the embryo from the material at hand, the dirt lady, in her womb, either as a perfect sperm, or a fertilized egg, or a fetus and it will be as perfectly a man as the first Adam was before corruption came upon the human race. So there is your second Adam. As perfect as the first one. He died and God raised him and glorified hgim in a NEW CREATION body, a new man type. (and we are promised the same when we are raised) and this NEW CREATION man, can operate in the spiritual and the physical realm. Thats the teaching of all the apostles in the church epistles. We are promised to be a new creation, neither jew nor gentile. Thats Jesus in his new body, he can come and go as he pleases, and have a feed of fish off the BBQ, on the beach with his mates. (as recorded in Acts) Its all about the new body, this disappearing into thin air! If you are of the new birth then you have the spirit that raised Jesus from the dead, and you will be raised incorruptible, and you will reign with him over the future kingdom, and you will be able to disappear into thin air too, and enjoy a beer with your mates. This is all biblical, so read the whole book and think about who is talking, and who they are talking to, and about what time frame. Hope that helps.

[@biblicalunitarian]

Well, the scriptures never say "God became a man". They actually say that Jesus was our "priest" (which are always human) who offered himself (Heb. 10:13) as a sacrifice to God, and sits at God's right hand (Heb. 10:14). So, Jesus is clearly a different being from God himself. And he is called a "man" many times (1 Tim. 2:5; Acts 2:22; John 8:40). God is not appeasing himself. But Jesus is a sacrifice to God for us (Eph. 5:2)

[@BiblicalTrinitarian]

No one said He was!