Jim Cornette Experience - Episode 297: Great American Bash 1986 Deep Dive

[@thedoctor3528]

00:00 Merch Update 10:57 "Sponsors" 13:29 My Bookie ad 27:56 1986 Bash Deep Dive

[@j_mad]

Thank you!!!

[@Apricot_Lover-r2c]

Thank you for the time stamps.

[@kennethanway7979]

Thanks doc!

[@foraiur186]

I could listen to Jim talk about wrestling all day.... With the power of KZbin... I can now listen to Jim talk about wrestling all day. Great time we live in :)

[@patrickcostello2872]

I went to the 1986 Bash in Philadelphia. Flair vs Hawk, Dusty & Animal vs the Andersons in a cage and one of the Magnum vs Nikita best of seven. Great memories!

[@chadk890]

I wish they never took Starrcade 87 out of Greensboro.

[@djpaul8705]

I was there too. Weird feel. There were about 18k in the Vet. However, that stadium could seat about 60k. Dont get me wrong, one of the most memorable events I ever attended. Just a strange feeling to have more than half the place empty and a country music concert to boot. I loved the Flair Hawk angle btw. Young enough to think that we may be lucky enough to see a title change.

[@MilMaska]

"Daddy, that's Hard Times! That's Hard Times!" - Dusty Rhodes

[@RichMitch]

😂

[@atomthorium3744]

Crushed ankle, back in THREE WEEKS.

[@fredrickcox413]

Hahahaha

[@TheGameFreak000]

"Daddeh, that'th HAHD TAHMS! That'th HAHD TAHMS!"

[@mikezee7767]

That’s what PDiddys saying

[@andyinpa1]

The 1986 Great American Bash was the pinnacle of Jim Crockett Promotions and wrestling in general.

[@Maestrohbill]

This. One million times this. The zenith was actually Wrestlemania 3 in March 1987, everything after was not as good. But 1986 - if I could go back to one year……

[@jeremykidd3250]

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[@Trendleader863]

For me it was WrestleMania 17 Austin vs Rock

[@richmiller8615]

"He's got 'im by the honker!!!" Love Jim's David Crockett impressions! Wish they had a sound bite of that actual call!

[@Maestrohbill]

The in depth of the 1986 GAB begins at 46:41. The previous minutes give the buildup.

[@punchylogan8452]

Thumbs up from Hamilton, Ontario

[@Steely_Fran]

The hometown of "Iron" Mike Sharpe.

[@ricsims]

That David Crockett sound bite kills me every time

[@kingstonagainstcorruption2268]

Wartburg Tennessee. Props to the Burg! Used to see some great wrestling up there in the 70s and 80s.

[@mangrove]

@1:22:20: "...like Dick Butkus for the Detroit Lions." We Michiganders wish that Butkus had been a Lion. WE WISH!

[@greyimmanuel2193]

Instablaster...

[@philaman1972]

Great memories from Corny. I remember how insanely wild "World Wide Wrestling" and "Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling" were every week when the fans would pop on every move and every angle.

[@joespitler3929]

It's a fucking shame it'll never be like that again.

[@jayrhough1912]

My favorite era of professional wrestling.

[@CaptainCock-Strong]

The ONLY era of professional wrestling.

[@sheriffofrockridge9095]

I was gripping my racket and she walked in

[@sinicalypse]

I hope you were properly manscaped.... Cornhole knows some guys who can help with that!

[@VihnNem]

"(Baby Doll) was throwing and I was catching" - Jim Cornette, 2019 You heard it here first everyone. He was beating Seth to the punchline by a few decades.

[@mindlessdroid3630]

Love these better then anything on TV.

[@CJSAIA]

You should print these journal books and sell them. Remember where you got the idea.

[@JormunB]

Dinner Theater Wrestling, or DTW, was founded by Larry "The Bardarian" Olivier-Shakespeare in 1990 after he crushed his longtime rival Ham Scenechew at the Barter Theatre in Bristol, TN in a steel-stage match. After a successful string of invasions at Medieval Times locations throughout the South (and a failed coup at Dolly Parton's Dixie Stampede in Pigeon Forge), the Bardarian accumulated a ragtag band of wrestling-actors, "performance artists," and live-action role-players (LARPers) that would act as the fledgling promotion's initial roster.

[@robertridley9279]

First time I ever had a cornish hen was at Dixie stampede. Of course since I was only 10 or 11 I didn't know that's what it was called until I described it to my mother and she told me. I just thought of it as a whole chicken instead of just pieces.

[@McElwainLovesSharks]

The Barter isn’t in Bristol, TN. It’s in Abingdon, VA. I’ve been there countless times.

[@timf7413]

I would love to watch a video of Jim handling these mountains of merch he apparently ships out. I picture him swearing like he did in that Dairy Queen video as he struggles to keep up with everything.

[@sinicalypse]

Undercover Boss: Cornette's Collectibles. Russo puts on a fake glasses + mustache deal and tries to blend into the company that he built via his feud with cornball!

[@herzkine]

Its a WORK , in reality little asian Kids do all the work.

[@billymerritt420]

Grippin my racket! Golden AF!

[@jaylew8408]

Dick Butkus for the Detroit lions?... Man I really miss all those great matches Andre the Giant had against Cena in the ECW

[@michaelvaughn8864]

The Great American Bash '86 was the pinnacle of JCP/NWA Promotions👍💯 Give or take 2 years later, Mr. Crockett was selling his biz to Ted Turner bc he was in pretty mad debt🙁💴

[@jonbaird8835]

Everyone will get a legitimate "shoot" [tracking] number on their package. That quote made me laugh out loud.

[@TuMalditaMadre]

@The Cortege very underrated comment there

[@michael50351]

Saying Wahoo and Ron Garvin were Fred Flintstone and Barney Rubble was Jim Cornette gold.

[@tnbk_andrxw4474]

28:20 when the Wrestling talk omnibus starts

[@DangOldGMC]

TNBK_Andrxw THANK you. Jesus, seems like every time I listen to a podcast of ANY type, the first 15-30 minutes is always plugging and bullshit. ALWAYS.

[@darksword4726]

Unlike others, his early stories and plugs are hilarious

[@wolfhound8675309]

Not all heros wear capes

[@worldoffizz]

@@BradRains That, and some of us like the bullshit. It's funny bullshit.

[@keithlangman2081]

Thank you for that!

[@robertoalvarezesq.8959]

Got my signed hard cover copy of Behind the Curtain (#85) yesterday. Already read it cover to cover. Great Job, thanks Jim!!!!!!!!!!

[@canderson5098]

got mine today, #153

[@ikill4klondikebars]

My softcover version from amazon just came in

[@sinicalypse]

Button 53!

[@chrisbolton6598]

Man if Jim ever figures out shipping from home. Watch out world.

[@sinicalypse]

You think USPS is gonna send over a whole damn truck at a time for Corn E. Dangerously? The guy couldn't even figure out the tech for a stamps.com promotional deal!

[@keithcain8333]

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[@medicinemansworld6462]

That limo driver should probably have had a Rand McNally.....lol

[@joespitler3929]

Bought a Rand McNally map back in 98, seriously it was the best 25$ I've probably ever spent.

[@phillipwalsh2972]

Love the show Jimmy all the way from Australia

[@colonelrobertsjr.7882]

Can somebody tell me whenever Crockett had a show in Cleveland, what venue were the matches held? I know that Vince had a hold on the Richfield Coliseum back then and neither CSU Wolstein Center or Gund Arena was in existence...

[@joespitler3929]

I know they were at the Gund arena at least once or twice.

[@johnreese3797]

It was the convention center.

[@mattmaxtaylormattmaxtaylor5553]

From 85 to 92 was an era in WCW NWA that was magical. I saw the bash 91 Kansas City. Front row Sting Vs Nikita. Only around 1500 people. It just was never the same it really seemed real back then. Same with WWF I also saw a house show in L.A. Andrea the giant and Haku vs Demolition. Around 11000 attendance.

[@dquanissavage6287]

Great Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐

[@belindahefner9510]

Ric flew down in the channel 9 chopper in 85 too against Nikita

[@ridgeodell2569]

the way Jim describes the size of Italian Stallion’s giant head is great 😂

[@admiralawesomeDC]

Thanks Jim, just received my copy of behind the curtain, i live in the UK, got my copy off Amazon

[@GenGamesUniverse]

Same, I have it sent through the post today. It's amazing!

[@sinicalypse]

Amazon? You're supposed to make the portly old/ish man labour for your copy!

[@PennyLaneYouTube]

haha! I live in Canada & had to get my copy from the UK! (but shipping only took 3 days!)

[@eduardodominguez1121]

Dinner theater wrestling "hopefully" they're on the case of the murder mystery of who killed wrestling instead of just playing grab ass with eachother. Glad to know Jim is back and that the record breaking orders didn't kill him. Jim and Brian keep the podcasts going they get better and better Wrestling Forrest Gump is pure gold.

[@djrobriggs]

Did I hear Corny say “tiny earl” as in URL ?

[@worldoffizz]

Most likely. It's how he pronounces URL.

[@Sarah_Gravydog316]

he calls it Tiny Earl Hebner

[@NIQUEROSS808]

Omg 🤣🤣 the limo story in DC hit home for me because (me being from & still lives in DC) everything he said is/was true about Northeast DC on Benning rd by RFK Stadium.. 🤣🤣.. The hookers are gone & gentrification changed that part of the city over the last 6-7 yrs.. Use to be the straight “hood” & this was during the heart of the DC’s crack-era so I could only imagine 🤣🤣🤣🤣But there’s still a cast of characters sprinkled in that area tho 🤣🤣.. That was funny, thanks Jim 🤣🤣🤣

[@ScorpionTomb]

Finally something to watch with corny. Also i would like to hear jims opinion on wwe allegedly trying to resign clown enzo and big cass.

[@tnbk_andrxw4474]

Controversy causes clicks/ attention/ views..

[@ikill4klondikebars]

However you feel about Enzo, and his personality, he was a victim of the metoo movement, and was unjustly fired.

[@billbrown8600]

This may or may not happen.

[@ScorpionTomb]

@@ikill4klondikebars The metoo movement is for women who where sexually assaulted or sexually harassed, not for people excused of doing something sexually. Do research on something before talking about genius.

[@eeeeewewew]

@@ikill4klondikebars he was fired cuz he didn't tell WWE he was being investigated. He was fired justly. The guy is a hack

[@davidfrederick1971]

The Sole problem with the GAB tour was "PROMOTING IT" (ironically). For the 7/1/86 Philadelphia Veterans Stadium show, the attendance number was pretty much the exact number they would have drawn in the Civic Center. They never promoted via newspaper, radio or tv news. The ONLY promoting they did was the local UHF channel WPHL 17 which broadcasted their syndicated World Wide Wrestling. Dusty Rhodes himself said he failed to act on using celebrity or major media to push the product the way McMahon did.

[@Bandana_Boi]

Regarding the empty stadium show in Memphis. Why didn't Dusty try to work with Jarrett & Lawler for that show? If the idea is a different challenger for each Bash show, why not do Lawler vs Flair for the title at the Liberty Bowl? Around 1:04:00 In July of 1986, with that strong Crockett undercard, they could've absolutely sold that stadium out had they partnered with Jarrett.

[@vinson311]

That my bookie ad is hilarious.

[@madbrowniac7871]

Colonel Roberts, Junior: Near as I recall World Championship Wrestling under Crockett booked The Richfield Coliseum as well. Seem to remember Tony Schiavone's voiceover introducing a few shows there back then. Apparently by 1998 WCW taped a show or two at The CSU Convocation Center.B.W.

[@daskills2pk157]

Jim saying in the fucking hood. Omg had me dying as soon as he said RFK in the 80's, I said they going to the hood of d.c. lmao

[@NeoNero83]

Well, to be fair, I used to live off Benning Rd...not that far away from RFK 🤷‍♂️

[@davidfrederick1971]

David Crockett was the babyface equivalent of Heel Announcer Jesse Ventura

[@Flagg1991]

Starts around 27:00

[@vilimandrusz174]

Fucking THANK YOU holy shit.

[@TheSilentHeel]

Brian's last comment of "Let go" was delivered perfectly and I am HOWLING lmao (Starts at 2:00:05)

[@dannyholder9711]

Is that the same guy whos on bispings podcast?

[@mikesabourin2]

I was hoping for this. So happy

[@O.G.Bossman7025]

Were can I find battle stars 88 road to St arcade..

[@zim1966]

You should rubber stamp the return address and shes got em done

[@lancefezell4149]

I don't think you can do that with a customs invoice. They have the individual character blocks that have to be filled in manually.

[@bpar73]

Not to be that guy, but at the Bash 86 show at Norfolk Scope, it was Ric Flair vs. Magnum TA, not Flair vs. Rhodes. Magnum was from the area, he was a hometown hero, so that's why the gate was so big.

[@fatalsniper3413]

Was it a good match?

[@careycoutinho5834]

Thank you for all the memories Jim so ill be honest here. NO bookie is on your side. They want you to lose, as that is how they make there $$$

[@kevinkelly1529]

*their

[@smokebreakmma6524]

Butter face is the only 1 dislike

[@gogotonyyo]

Well now it's five. Butterface, Pockets, Jelly and two of jelly's buddies.

[@deetwentyone4528]

It's 10 now. Butterface, pockets, jelly, the dick guy, kenny oliviet, the young bucks, sonny kiss, sami callihan, and shitstain vince russo

[@deetwentyone4528]

@WTFViewer lol no the dick guy is Joey Ryan.

[@scottwilson3741]

I was at the Johnson City bash show

[@scottwilson3741]

July 23. David Allan Coe played & Dusty & the Rock n Roll Express joined him on stage.

[@anthonymartin9923]

Wow the RFK Stadium!!

[@vinceraven8578]

Anywhere around from the early 80s to 90 is the greatest wrasslin of the modern era, as in late 1900s, & the NWA, although with all the problems & sometimes not a lot of attendance, was on fire & had the best in ring action anywhere.... The good old days indeed... 👍🏻🔥👍🏻🔥👍🏻🔥👍🏻🔥

[@axeman6598]

Bravo ......for the thumbnail alone.

[@marcuslynch5017]

Hey Jim thanks for the laughs 90 miles between Wilmington to Greensboro you're off by about another 60 miles buddy but I just want to say I love the show you keep me entertained during work even when work doesn't entertain me

[@ChuuchooChooseMe]

Jim and brian, keep up the great work!!!👍

[@Lantern72]

Its odd tho- that sawyer n slater were on the bash 85 show- but neither the RnR, nor the MNX was there🤔

[@tankwfw]

"Muh place of biness" LMAO

[@georgewilliams1470]

Hate to correct you Jimmy, But I already had surgery on my right hand about 2 years ago and I'm probably going to have to have it on my left hand in a year or two!Apparently Gorilla Monsoon enjoyed the casino!

[@tracym1208]

How do you carry a 20 minute lead BS commercial WTF...

[@kingkold]

39:22

[@WildBillCox13]

"That are used to dealing with pressure situations . . . like the folks at ManScape . . ."" Segues . . . For Jim: "Gonna take experimental journey, Have a little brain unfreeze, Got ten thousand micrograms of Soma, Clear the runway, oil the skis." "Got my bag, I got myself a forty, And a little Mountain Dew, Not the kind that good old Jimmy's drinking, This stuff peels the paint for you." "Seven, midgets and Omega's heaven, Pinfalls in a quick succession, Counting all the losses in our cash, Our product's trash." "Never thought my brain could feel so Bernie, Hoping that it soon comes home, Had a big, experimental journey, I killed wrestling on my own." --Eshkalar, world's greatet Canadian Wizard.

[@TheEnzyme94]

"I'm a man" haha funny Jim's like Joe Jackson!

[@robertridley9279]

Or Mike Gundy

[@joespitler3929]

@@robertridley9279 dude 1 of the best coach's rants ever.

[@redemption1933]

Congratulations on your success Corny. Maybe I'm too old school for my own good, but I believe a Mid Atlantic Championship Wrestling type promotion could exist today. Or maybe I'm just dreaming. As long as this show is around I can remember when wrestling was awesome. Thanks again.

[@sinicalypse]

Mrs. Pete 379 is truly one lucky lady!

[@davey3884]

BVR was not on the Road Warriors side in 1986, he was with the Russians.

[@Burger-urger]

Ticket house on hwy 152 in China Grove, NC. I know the spot

[@robhagle]

28:29

[@kennethrayman4153]

Pencils of Promise for the school charity

[@TuMalditaMadre]

Butterface, Pockets, Jelly, the invisible tag team, and 10 other outlaw mud show bookers gave this a thumbs down

[@NintendoPsycho]

And wwekids fanboys and conservatives...

[@sinicalypse]

You forget Kenny Oliviet

[@alexello1189]

Also Bruce Prichard’s second niece who disliked on his behalf, not Bruce himself.

[@johndavis48076]

It just came out that the UFC pays the fighters 20% of revenue. Has Jim ever stated what percentage of a gate that the wrestlers received?

[@ikill4klondikebars]

Depended on who was on the card, and where they were on the card.

[@jimjohnstonreviewstheworld]

Old school promoters had the rule of 3rds. 1/3 to promoter. 1/3 bay the bills and 1/3 to all the boys scaled for place on card.

[@sinicalypse]

Down in st Louis whatshisface would pay you off down to the penny. Dadgummit what's his name.

[@jimjohnstonreviewstheworld]

sinicalypse Sam Muchnick, Larry Martersack or Herb Simmons. Those three have run St. Louis wrestling for over 80 years. Simmons still promotes to this day.

[@bryskyline]

Now a days its less than 20% of their record profits

[@dannyaltobelli1059]

It is sad when schools can't even come through with school supplies for students. I used too get supplies when I went to school. What the hell happened?

[@rahowherox1177]

Bigger budgets for the war on drugs than for education (let alone other wars). Basically Regan happened, and no one looked back.

[@dannyaltobelli1059]

@@rahowherox1177 Good point. Canada is weird also that is where I am from. I like your view at least there is a few people with a brain.

[@jimjohnstonreviewstheworld]

Mr. Cornette, I believe that the charity “Headlock on Hunger” that Jr and Beth Phoenix work with donates school supply’s to needy children as well as their food donations. If you see this you may reach out to your old friend Jr. about it... if calling the Trifecta of Death match at AEW this weekend doesn’t give him an aneurism that is.

[@terrypace2134]

Baby doll a republican? Damn she is smarter than Jim!

[@chrisholden615]

Lol Dick Butkus was a Bear Jim! Whole career😂 He knew it was some wrestling territory town with an animal gimmick

[@Bandana_Boi]

Baron Von Raschke in 1986 seems harsh.

[@guardianofchaosBD]

CHAOS?!

[@seansmyth5862]

Jim and Brian, Shit Stain is running another wrestling company. Rocky mountain pro. It's on Twitch right now. Love to hear about that. Thanks.

[@mcomiskey7]

Is it still running?

[@crashharness]

If your gonna donate money jim keep it in kentucky look in to the loyal order of kentucky colonials. They are local and they help alot of kids in our state

[@monoburgos9913]

Go on Jimothy

[@guardianofchaosBD]

Jimmy!!!!!!

[@LilDemonkulous]

39:19 you're welcome

[@charleskey6340]

Cornette was right about DC. Right by RFK stadium has been real deal ghetto until this very moment. I’m sure it was real Jungle in ‘86

[@davidfebreeze428]

Jim, what do you say about the revival potentially forming a staple with Orton? They have basicly almost taken out the new day already

[@eeeeewewew]

Staple?

[@davidfebreeze428]

Michael Mearney faction* I meant to write something different but apparently had a braifart ... im from Germany and haven’t spoken English in about two months sorry 😂

[@eeeeewewew]

@@davidfebreeze428 now i feel bad for pointing it out! I can't speak two language's you keep doing you sir.

[@sinicalypse]

#FuckTheRevival! Duh. We know what corny thinks!

[@scrappy93]

You don't donate to the national humane society. You don't to your local humane society. The local humane society from everything I've seen don't benefit from the national group.

[@JohnAeon]

So I’m sitting here just home from the hospital. Had out patient surgery for carpel tunnel and cubicle tunnel. Got a legit spit take when he says men don’t get that to start the show. I said the same damn thing when my doc diagnosed me with it. Turns out since I’m a contractor /dry Waller its common in our line of work. Still funny as hell though. Love Jim and Brian

[@guardianofchaosBD]

Brian, please let Corny know I’m at the door, I’m on the list, Thanks #FacebookGroup

[@smokeemifugottem2516]

The great cornholio of wrestling The legendary Jim Cornette

[@briancromartie3149]

Bret Hart, just called himself a " performance artist ". Will Jim freak out? Find out next week, on the Experience.

[@theantilifeequation8150]

Probably but who cares?, today's show was fucking brilliant Jim is in his wheel house talking about great great wrestling from when it was actually good, my eyes rolled when he said he was going to react to AEW next week. I wish he wouldn't, modern day wrestling just completely fucking sucks I don't watch it and I don't want to hear about this shit either, the whole premise of the JCE is Jim using his amazing knowledge to talk about days gone by wrestling not the shit they churn out now days. Plus i very much doubt Bret would say he isn't a professional wrestler and that it's all stupid and fake anyway and I guarantee you he never took a bump for the invisible man or wrestled with his hands in his fucking pockets.

[@KKC70]

I'm sorry, I can't remember... Is Bret Hart a talentless, useless, mud show twat? As an all time great Hart treated the fans, and more importantly the business, with the utmost respect. What he says now, and the terms that he would use to describe what he did for a living, are entirely irrelevant

[@Senseitional_comics]

A pound of dollars would be about $450

[@Gorski122]

In philly why didn’t they just go indoors in the spectrum?

[@nicholasfarrell8403]

Crockett never ran the spectrum. That was vinces building. They would run the philly civic civic center

[@MrChristopherHaas]

Why cant i find the first installments anywhere? Usually the firstones of anything are the best ones of anything lol. Oldest im seeing is in the 90s numbers.

[@kylemartin2487]

I do love the fact that both Brian and Jim glossed over this for years assuming they had already done a deep dive, and all it took was one listener question to halt all the BS in the world for a week so Cornette could talk about some more wrasslin’ history. We need more of that in 2025.

[@MdlAgedHeadbanger]

Is it just me or does the Cosplay Wrestling "May The Farts Be With You" sound like a license to print money?!?!?!?!

[@scottlow6342]

Baseball the king of sports lol baseball is crap

[@GregHuffman1987]

Bash

[@terracottapie]

Jesus Christ Jim. You're a hero of mine and I love the show, but 20 minutes of selling shit before you actually do any content?! Come on, man.