It’s against my religion to pay taxes or interest. Let’s see how that argument goes in court
@pagehenson3615 жыл бұрын
Yessss
@dchamlagai5 жыл бұрын
You must be creating/following new religion that haven’t known/exist yet.
@O0000-i5q5 жыл бұрын
Rajz Chhetri but it’s the same logic. Just because a religion is old it doesn’t make it any more valid in the modern world.
@harshitmadan64495 жыл бұрын
I can only wish
@asahel9805 жыл бұрын
too bad , in christianity paying taxes isnt exactly a sin, also there is a a rule though every penny you make God has 10% off it , its called tithe, though it depends on you how to spend it , give it to church as offering or buy a homeless person a meal etc.
@TastyGamingQc5 жыл бұрын
"Then why is there steak on the menu ?" "It was a test, you failed. Get out !"
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
Let's look at this another way, is the baker also refusing to bake a cake for an adulterer? Someone who eats unclean meat (Pig, rabbit, lobster, shrimp, clams? Women who wear men's clothing (jeans, pants)? People that do not keep the Sabbath? People who steal? A man who cuts his beard? An Atheist? If she bakes wedding cakes for these people, then she is a hypocrite. All are these things are an abomination to the lord. Basically, she is just trying to use hide behind her religion so that she can be a bigot.
@bulldogsbob7 жыл бұрын
Stupid the Nt condems homosexuality.
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
bulldogsbob: Read the bible, he condemn all those as well. I can give you book, chapter and verse for each if you need help.
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
bulldogsbob: Where does it state that Jesus condemned homosexuals? Where does it state that Jesus condemned eating unclean meat? Wearing mixed fabric? Women wearing men's clothes? Men cutting their beards?
@jacobmartinez54617 жыл бұрын
flower37075 well said
@gboyer19017 жыл бұрын
Fair point, but the fact remains that religious freedom is a right for all. For some reason unknown to me and everyone else with a brain, Christians target homosexuality as the ultimate sin. As ridiculous as it is, they're free to do so, and they should be.
@sarah77557 жыл бұрын
I didn't need a common dining experience skit to understand why it was wrong, but I enjoyed it regardless.
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
I have found that the percentage of people being called morons that actually are is far less than that of their accusers. A truly intelligent person rarely finds name calling to be more effective than reason.
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
r/iamverysmart?
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
So I guess you were calling these people morons in a non condescending and pretentious way?
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
You got called out for being a better than them type person. You can say what a pretentious ass for questioning my superiority or you can ask yourself why you are so stuck on yourself. Either way is fine with me, but if you ever want to have an actual debate with me with actual judges and such I am down with it.
@sarah77557 жыл бұрын
John Wiggins it's not difficult to be better than these types of people. All you need to do is have a morsel of a conscience.
@yusrak.51907 жыл бұрын
everyone has their own beliefs and that is completely fine, however discrimination is never okay
@boogie14347 жыл бұрын
Yusra K. Morally It’s never okay, but forcing private citizens to serve you at gov. gun point is worse
@wayofthefilipino88966 жыл бұрын
Denying service because it infringes upon your religion isnt discrimination.
@noelperez39176 жыл бұрын
Pete Robinson Service and I repeat service is not an entitlement or it right for anybody. Anyone has the right to refuse anyone it’s a right for us to decide
@JoshGerhards6 жыл бұрын
Noel Perez So, if someone hated black people, they could rightfully deny service to all black people. I see how this is totally right. I totally agree with you.
@shane55pwnt6 жыл бұрын
Discrimination against religious people?
@kentsou3997 жыл бұрын
My religion says i shouldn't pay taxes, i'mma sue the government for violating my religious right.
@Yogi-bq7zv7 жыл бұрын
No; civil rights mean that a business owner CANNOT refuse to serve someone based on their religion or race, soon, this will include sexuality- if the US can get it's head out of their asses.
@rus60917 жыл бұрын
What religion is this? Can I also join your religion, cause I don't want to pay taxes. Also does your religion provide free cars?
@Yogi-bq7zv7 жыл бұрын
Olga; the law doesn't follow RELIGION- that's the POINT of the law in the US; it is meant to be inclusive of everyone- hence the law will be changing soon to include everyone as equals.
@Satawolf7 жыл бұрын
Olga Voronkova when you open a business you have to get a license their are laws attached to that they prevent people from doing this because they are providing a service if they don't want to provide this they shouldn't have a business it's the same argument they used for colored people
@xsnoopdawg7 жыл бұрын
I need this religion be the pope of it xD
@made2trick6 жыл бұрын
Just go to another bakery. The public decides if a business stays open by not going to that bakery again. There's no need to put political pressure on everything.
@jayisfedup68965 жыл бұрын
Smart man bud an I agree with you 100%
@lizluna93036 жыл бұрын
"Aren't you a picky lesbian"😂 Gotta love jimmy!
@YTRulesFromNM4 жыл бұрын
KImmel is garbage.
@chadtrickthereal3 жыл бұрын
@@YTRulesFromNM Agreed, so is fallon
@Ron4T16 жыл бұрын
Actually, the Court ruled that the reason why the baker was allowed to refuse baking the cake was due to the fact that the baker had to write a message on the cake that was against his religious beliefs. If for instance, the same-sex couple had just requested a cake that said "Congratulations" or had no message written on there at all and the baker refused service, his refusal would be deemed as refusal to serve clients (which is what Jimmy is demonstrating), but that's not what the Judge opined on and that's not what happened in this case.
@Nonalhomophobie5 жыл бұрын
No one cares what his beliefs are, the baker is bound to write what is expected of him on the cake, so long as it doesn't break the law.
@bx69695 жыл бұрын
Non à l'homophobie The owner *owns* her business. She shouldn’t be forced to do anything like that.
@Nonalhomophobie5 жыл бұрын
@@bx6969 The owner does not own the law and has to comply and abide it, by serving anyone who makes this request. Otherwise, you could potentially let a doctor refuse to save someone on the verge of death because of the doctor's belief. It's dangerous and unacceptable.
@bx69695 жыл бұрын
Non à l'homophobie The doctor is an employee. This lady is a business owner. There is a huge difference.
@jadevictoria64705 жыл бұрын
Ok so if someone asks you to bake a cake for their kkk meeting would you comply? “Customer is always right.”
@dinnerroll6 жыл бұрын
Way to misrepresent the premise of the argument
@magdalenasalas94675 жыл бұрын
They refuse to participate in a same sex wedding, not service to a same sex couple, totally different.
@Nonalhomophobie5 жыл бұрын
Same of homophobic.
@JacquesRenaitre Жыл бұрын
Mange de la merde.@@Nonalhomophobie
@jolenedaniel70126 жыл бұрын
I know this was a serious issue, but when he said “Elton John was wearing that cake in 1986”
@vegarojasj217 жыл бұрын
Was I the only one that thought that was Zach Galifianakis
@XxDragon_StoneXx7 жыл бұрын
Joel Vega Pretty sure the audience cheered cause they thought it was him too 😂
@birdymiller777 жыл бұрын
Joel Vega and Katy Perry ;)
@dlarremore7 жыл бұрын
Yes,, and i thought his date was Krysten Ritter
@brookes19717 жыл бұрын
Joel Vega I did a little bit at first glance anyway haha
@sublimeden7 жыл бұрын
HE isn't???? LOL
@Swarmandal10257 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Kimmel is getting more and more of my respect every day! What a genius way of making the point about the homophobic baker! Thank you.
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
If by genius you mean that when he could not come up with a skit portraying certain services being denied that made the bakers seem wrong that he just changed it to examples of discrimination based on WHO was ordering instead of WHAT they were ordering, then yea.
@ddmaul7 жыл бұрын
John and Mary request a cake with white frosting, decorated with pink and yellow roses for their wedding. The baker agrees. Bob and Larry request a cake with white frosting, decorated with pink and yellow roses for their wedding. The baker refuses. Is the difference WHAT was ordered, or WHO was ordering? It's not the baker that imbues the cake with meaning, it's the customer.
@I.am_Groot7 жыл бұрын
So just because the bakery owner said no, they are homophobic? By that process may I presume you are an atheist? I mean you have to either be FOR or AGAINST right? Or maybe is it possible that you simply disagree, and both have a right to your own opinion. That is the real issue here is it not? Who has a right to stand up for what they believe.
@ddmaul7 жыл бұрын
I don't pretend to know the mind of the baker. But when the baker said no, he broke the law. The baker can have his opinion, but opinions don't exempt us from laws. If it's my opinion that my income taxes are too high, I still have to pay them.
@ddmaul7 жыл бұрын
I don't pretend to read minds. When the baker refused to bake the cake, the baker broke the law.
@thorium2227 жыл бұрын
The Jews in Germany in the late 30s couldn't go to almost all shops because they weren't served there and they managed just fine, didn't they? Oh wait, they didn't ...
@ElectroKinesisMan7 жыл бұрын
So you're saying bakery owners = nazis?
@daniel5495417 жыл бұрын
Kai's Spicy Memes yes
@ElectroKinesisMan7 жыл бұрын
Daniel Duran lol
@richardvinsen23857 жыл бұрын
Kai's Spicy Memes Apparently they are in Bakersfield
@thorium2227 жыл бұрын
Kai's Spicy Memes Well, Nazis just don't fall out of the sky all of a sudden. They have to be created and society has to be prepared. And yes those bakers are doing exactly that job.
@anthonyslobodnik93187 жыл бұрын
What about the fashion designers that refused to make a dress for Melania Trump because she is married to Donald? They were applauded for doing so.
@robronsuggle68977 жыл бұрын
I wasn't
@seanberdo53806 жыл бұрын
I think there might be a difference, because she is not being denied the dress because of her gender, race or sexuality but for her personality, which involves being married to Donald. But i'm no expert
@pepper1234ization6 жыл бұрын
It doesn't matter. Trying to justify the refusal to serve Melania and condemning the one who refused service to the homosexuals is wrong, because both are refusals because of background. You either condemn them both or you support them both.
@frostyfilmwatcher21486 жыл бұрын
Anthony Slobodnik of course whataboutism is used in regards to Trump....
@chillychese6 жыл бұрын
Frosty Film Watcher it's no one's fault but your own when you choose to be a hypocrite
@daniellee11277 жыл бұрын
I can't make sense of this whole stupid cake business. Since when does serving someone at your business or selling something you made for someone equal, "I approve everything you believe"? This means that every waitress, chef and bakery I go to has to approve of my faith? This whole thing is another one of those "I am a Christian and I am persecuted," when in reality, we are priveleged. Surprise! I am not only a Christian but a pastor who supports the lgbtq community. The Bible talks about persecution but those persecuted people were fed to the lions, crucified and burned alive. Being forced to bake a cake is not persecution like businesses saying happy holidays is not persecution. We might be losong our privelege but it is definitely not oppression or persecution. Besides Jesus said they will know him by our love not what we believe for crying out loud. I'm done...
@terri6397 жыл бұрын
Daniel Lee Thank you so much for being the type of person you are.
@juanlostsheep7 жыл бұрын
Marriage between a man and a woman is a sacred entity. Christians oppose homosexuality not out of hatred for others but because it violates this sacredness, which is a reflection of God's own image.
@analssimoes7 жыл бұрын
Jeremy McGuire, you say that "Christians oppose homosexuality not out of hatred for others but because it violates the sacredness of marriage between a man and a woman"... Christians can believe whatever they want, the problem is not what they believe, the problem is what they impose on others!!! Anyone can believe in whatever, but they forget they don't have the right to impose on others their beliefs!!! If it was the other way around they would cry persecution, but when they do it is their right to believe!!! That has a name, it's called hypocrisy!!!
@daniellee11277 жыл бұрын
John Johnson we will see when we come face to face with our Lord.
@tomludlow45967 жыл бұрын
That’s not the point. The point isn’t even about religion, it’s about property rights and freedom of association. If you don’t wanna do business with someone you shouldn’t be forced to, it’s your right as the property owner.
@nelsonw94837 жыл бұрын
Notice the awkward silence when Jimmy made fun of the priestess who was anti-'patriarchy' and put her under the same category as the anti-Semitics and homophobic. The leftist audiences were like, "Uhh that's not funny, Jimmy. She's right about patriarchy and we're with her one this one."
@kellywatson43837 жыл бұрын
That stood out to me too, mostly because the audience laughed at every single joke, even about the hinduist who refused to serve steak, but when Jimmy made fun of a woman who hated patriarchy, there was dead silence. In that split second, they probably thought that Jimmy was mocking feminism and implying that feminists are 'bigots', so their instincts told them not to laugh.
@arianaroze62707 жыл бұрын
I don’t think it says anywhere in the bible that serving a cake to a same-sex couple is a sin 😒
@kalebk32497 жыл бұрын
Ariana R it says marriage is between a man and a woman though. Which is why this is an issue. The bakers would have had to bake them the cake if it were for anything besides a wedding.
@mariorsfernandes7 жыл бұрын
I bet if a Jewish or Muslim baker refused to put a cross on a cake, Christians would go nuts and Fox News would cover that for days.
@kalebk32497 жыл бұрын
Mario Fernandes i bet it happened and no one cared.
@kalebk32497 жыл бұрын
Mario Fernandes also that makes you a bigot.
@SilverLakeify7 жыл бұрын
Mario Fernandes you are so right. They are the biggest hypocrites of all time.
@ddittmar9406 жыл бұрын
To make a cake to celebrate a union of marriage is different than making food to feed a hungry person.
@TheGuitarplayer1126 жыл бұрын
no its both the same because both were discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation
@garykrank97637 жыл бұрын
sad when one human being treats another human being inhumanly
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
True, but that is not what these bakers are doing.
@nika53187 жыл бұрын
Wait... what?
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
What I mean is that they are just trying to follow their religious beliefs. I do see that it is problematic. The true debate is are we going to tolerate Christianity teaching that homosexuality is a sin.
@DeaconBlues256 жыл бұрын
In the New Testament (NT) there are at least three passages that refer to homosexual activity: Romans 1:26-27, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10. A fourth passage, Jude 1:7, is often interpreted as referring to homosexuality. Jesus restricts marriage to opposite-sex couples when he cites the Book of Genesis during a discussion of marriage (Matthew 19:4-6 and Mark 10:6-9). The presumed references to 'homosexuality' itself in the New Testament hinge on the interpretation of three specific Greek words: arsenokoitēs (ἀρσενοκοίτης), malakos (μαλακός), and porneia (πορνεία) and its cognates.[1][2] While it is not disputed that the three Greek words apply to sexual relations between men (and possibly between women), some academics interpret the relevant passages as a prohibition against pederasty or prostitution rather than homosexuality per se, while other scholars have presented counter arguments.[3][4][5] The historical context of the passages has also been a subject of debate. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_New_Testament
@DeaconBlues256 жыл бұрын
Nothing wrong with Wikis. Those are simple facts.
@toddjackson75964 жыл бұрын
Jimmy Have you even spent time around extremely religious Christians? They don't equate dining out with weddings.
@fangirloverleo4943 жыл бұрын
But it’s still as ridiculous which is the point being made
@timothyavendt6773 жыл бұрын
@@fangirloverleo494 it's a false equivalent. Ina REAL example she would still get food here.
@emk976 жыл бұрын
If this was back in 1960s, interracial couples wouldn't be served too, idk why people can't marry who they want
@butterflydazzlingvids28665 жыл бұрын
EMK I agree I am Christina and I want people to be happy and live happy lives. They shouldn’t be judged for being happy and marring their love of their life. Heck I even thought of going to a pride parade and giving out free hugs to people but we don’t have them in my town because it’s to small of a town.
@butterflydazzlingvids28665 жыл бұрын
I met I am Christian
@samuelbr84112 жыл бұрын
@pro noobs because antisemitism and sexuality are the exact same thing😒😒
@timothyavendt6772 жыл бұрын
False comparison
@TheLawe6 жыл бұрын
No one is entitled to the products or services of anyone else, period. That is called slavery. I doubt they are the only bakery in town. If this was a Muslim baker I doubt the media would have picked this up
@PoopyDoopy396 жыл бұрын
Aldo Medina so because they called out Christians and not Muslims does it matter? Wrong is wrong
@happygolucky1432 жыл бұрын
What a stupid analogy
@Angry-Books6 жыл бұрын
The consumer can go to another bakery. The baker is the one who lost out on business. The baker chose not to compromise his beliefs for money. And guess what... that’s his God given American Right!
@TheGuitarplayer1126 жыл бұрын
Colorado state law says otherwise because it says refusing service on the basis of sexual orientation is illegal
@jrfilms1077 жыл бұрын
Go to another bakery.
@itsme-mt2fo7 жыл бұрын
Joe Robinette idk why ppl don't see that as an option
@jrfilms1077 жыл бұрын
jay jay they targeted them just because of their beliefs. What if they went to an Islamic bakery?
@itsme-mt2fo7 жыл бұрын
Joe Robinette what? Who targeted whom?
@jrfilms1077 жыл бұрын
jay jay The couple did.
@itsme-mt2fo7 жыл бұрын
Joe Robinette oh of course. Easy way to get attention
@victoryvictory82465 жыл бұрын
Why should anyone be judged if their religious and personal beliefs are not in agreement with homosexuality and such marriage.
@Nonalhomophobie4 жыл бұрын
Because the right to be treated equally is more important than the right to enforce your beliefs on people to the point of discriminating them.
@j0n62x7 жыл бұрын
Jimmy’s in great shape
@roxxrose18607 жыл бұрын
Jong Codamon. Sooooo hooottt😍😍
@catmani27 жыл бұрын
Indeed. I need to work out more! too bad his brain is completely gone though.
@MaishaTas6 жыл бұрын
Buddy3439 there's a typo 'his" should be "my"
@benzmusiczone6 жыл бұрын
Yeah Jimmy looks really good
@micahhenley5896 жыл бұрын
*Here is GOOD NEWS:* Jesus Christ died on a cross to save people from their sin according to the bible(God's word). Then Jesus rose from the dead, 3 days later, thus defeating death. Anyone who believes this will not perish but will have everlasting life.
@QBon343 жыл бұрын
If a baker refuses to bake you a cake then go to a another bakery that simple
@Nonalhomophobie3 жыл бұрын
No, it's not simple at all. It's discrimination and they should not have to go anywhere else to begin with.
@t1t1t623 жыл бұрын
@@Nonalhomophobie "hello vegan shop, can i have some meat please? tf u mean no?? tf u mean go to another shop??? its my right to eat meat stop discriminating agiasnt carnivores" you do not have a right to control someones else's business, hobbies, time, or money. stop being so self entitled all the time.
@samuelbr84112 жыл бұрын
@@t1t1t62 that is a literally not the same thing.
@samuelbr84112 жыл бұрын
@@t1t1t62 you’re comparing a life choice to a sexuality that has literally no control
@Nameless_mixes6 жыл бұрын
Here’s an idea: When bigots refuse to offer their service to people due to their beliefs (religious, spiritual, personal, etc.) we dont support them. So every homophobic cake maker out there wont get a penny out of us until either A.) They agree to put their beliefs aside and help someone or B.) They go out of business. Suing them wont change who they are and just seems like a waste of time and money for the plaintiffs. Just boycott their business.
@aineeshdutt73246 жыл бұрын
Danny Neyman what about freedom to religion?
@Nameless_mixes6 жыл бұрын
Lord IceCream Maybe you didnt understand me. Youre more than free to follow your bigoted practices that you defend with your religious beliefs, but Im equally free to not support you. So let’s say that you’re a Christian baker who’s against homosexuality. Me, a bisexual, does not need to support your business because I have the freedom of consumerism to go wherever I please because we live in a country that’s against monopolies. So ultimately, you keep your religious freedoms and I get to support a business that I agree with on how we should treat each other. We both win. You keep your beliefs and I keep my money.
@aineeshdutt73246 жыл бұрын
Danny Neyman 1) Don't call me a bigot. 2) I'm athiest, not Christian. 3) I just raised a question, don't get hostile over it.
@Nameless_mixes6 жыл бұрын
Lord IceCream im sorry, I assumed that you were one of those people that regardless of what I said would get up in arms over “freedom of religion”. That was my mistake for making assumptions and Im sorry for doing so.
@aineeshdutt73246 жыл бұрын
Danny Neyman yeah. Isn't against the left's fundamental principles not to assume anything about people?
@iamthasecond5 жыл бұрын
Simple fix! FRIKEN GO TO ANOTHER BAKERY!
@Nonalhomophobie5 жыл бұрын
They don't have to go to another bakery.
@MovieRiotHD7 жыл бұрын
As a libertarian: One should have the freedom to deny a service.
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
As an anarchist, I totally agree.
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
Maarten van der Poel: So you think that discrimination should be allowed? That businesses should be able to refuse service to blacks, Mexicans, women, blondes, etc?
@MovieRiotHD7 жыл бұрын
flower37075 Yes, and If they do it's also the right kg you and your friends to buy your products elsewhere, eventually they will lose money refusing services !
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
Maarten van der Poel: Me and my friends?
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
Maarten van der Poel: It's a good thing that you don't make the laws.
@rusty79846 жыл бұрын
Has no one ever heard of “ We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”
@patl44166 жыл бұрын
Tomas’s Legendary Vids that was the argument restaurants used in the south to refuse service to blacks
@Brwnsugar5 жыл бұрын
How's that body building going for you to compensate your small... while you wrestle with men in spandex ? It's always the masculine insecure...
@lunaticcultist97415 жыл бұрын
@@Brwnsugar At least he's doing something. I mean all your doing is arguing people online.
@sloanemoodie64385 жыл бұрын
you don't know this person personally so how could you say that?@@lunaticcultist9741
@lunaticcultist97415 жыл бұрын
@@patl4416 No, its was a law that did that.
@engrawan52227 жыл бұрын
Just go to another restaurant!!!!!!!! Why force them ? America is so nonsense
@survivoraddict80286 жыл бұрын
It’s their business and they have the right to deny it. The couple didn’t have to go to that bakery.
@matthewmesler23402 жыл бұрын
Just because you think it's their right doesn't make it right. Why are you defending discrimination?
@Jeremy-wp4yh2 жыл бұрын
@@matthewmesler2340 it's not discrimination. Ask someone else to bake your cake.
@OldBooksForever6 жыл бұрын
So you think a Hindu SHOULD be forced to cook beef??
@tamakiamajiki86475 жыл бұрын
Or you could just /not/ include stake if you’re Hindu working at a restaurant.
@ronaldfawcett26605 жыл бұрын
Stuff&Stuff well that Hindu probably wouldn’t actually be working as a chef there would he? Next stupid comment please!
@mariomoso10595 жыл бұрын
Ronald Fawcett what about the muslims that dont serve pork... what if i want pork
@amaroo20815 жыл бұрын
Cook what the customers need...or else dont be a cook in the first place!
@mylifepostpain37055 жыл бұрын
If it’s on the menu then yes
@2amara345 жыл бұрын
gays shouldn't be treated any differently but in the same time if the catholic baker baked a wedding cake for them it means he is celebrating with them which is against his beliefs. I find the decision of the court is reasonable
@Nonalhomophobie5 жыл бұрын
So you are saying gays should be treated differently. The decision of the court is homophobic. Equality comes before personal beliefs.
@darkprince566 жыл бұрын
You're not entitled to people's services. If today the government can compel you to go against your beliefs, tomorrow it can force you to go against yours. And this is coming from someone who disagrees with excluding people based on things we cannot control like sexuality, race or age. If you feel so strongly about it, as a customer you have the power to seek service elsewhere.
@EfHaichDee4 жыл бұрын
Except that nothing about the request violates the person's beliefs. All they are being asked to do is bake a cake - which is their job. Nobody said they had to get married to a member of the same sex, just to fill an order and bake a cake which has nothing to do with their beliefs. I think this whole case was just poorly argued. It should never have been passed.
@daoistshadow75364 жыл бұрын
FHD فَهِد You’re forcing people to do stuff they don’t want to? It’s HIS bakery HIS choice not to make the cake, he still agreed to service them just not make a custom one, we as a society failed when we start to value “Feelings” over freedom, the couple took it way out of control while the could’ve just simply went to another baker, don’t start saying people have to do something just because it’s a service, he has as much of right a right as anybody else.
@idkbro49322 жыл бұрын
@@EfHaichDee So they should be forced to make a cake for a homosexual wedding even when they believe its WRONG? What kind of oppression is this.
@derekwang73302 жыл бұрын
@@EfHaichDee That's not true. The baker was asked to make a custom cake.
@EfHaichDee2 жыл бұрын
@@derekwang7330 In what way did your argument negate anything I wrote? Are you a bot?
@iammarcodorian4 жыл бұрын
The argument is not pertinent, as the bakers own a private activity. Therefore they can decide what kind of service to provide and for whom they see fit. For example: if a Jewish baker has a customer asking him to bake a cake with the image of the Qur’an, the baker can 100% refuse to make the cake. Bye.
@Nonalhomophobie3 жыл бұрын
No, service providers have to obey certain laws, and discriminating people is illegal.
@Brian-cr4mb7 жыл бұрын
Is it really wrong though? The man did not refuse to make a cake for them, he refused to make a cake for same sex marriages. Should the government be able to choose what part of your religion matters? Its not like there isn't other bakers, in theory a free market would make decisions like this man's unpopular simply because he is driving away customers and there fore promoting other bakers that will serve these people for that occasion. He did not deny services based on who they were but for what they asked him to do, and that being against his personal belief.
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
I agree. There was a time that we needed the government to step in and say that you could not have White only restaurants, but today the public is better at policing itself. If the government continues to force political correctness on people, expect more Trump like leaders being elected.
@rmpenner7 жыл бұрын
that is actually a Rammstein cake
@Realkeepa-et9vo7 жыл бұрын
Romulo Penner Fun fact: Rammstein made Songs about homosexuallity (Mann gegen Mann, Reise Reise), Heroin Junkies dying from an Overdose (Adios), beastiality, pedophilia, Incest, suicide and other 'non christian' things. They somehow had no Problem with that.
@rmpenner7 жыл бұрын
gotta love Rammstein
@johnathancarvalho95467 жыл бұрын
Missed some firework!
@kenyac.77497 жыл бұрын
Good observation 😂😂
@stevyd7 жыл бұрын
Hans Olo That's allowed under the belief that "Where ignorance is bliss, 'tis folly to be wise."
@PerrincinaSprecaci3 жыл бұрын
There are literally hundreds of bakeries in every medium to large city. Go somewhere else.
@Nonalhomophobie3 жыл бұрын
No, if a customer picks a business, he should be served without discrimination.
@samuelbr84112 жыл бұрын
And let discrimination slide?
@usa-pu9mh Жыл бұрын
I would like jimmy to make a hit piece on Hilary clinton and Barack Obama and if he doesn't I'll sue him for discriminating against my political beliefs.
@vashmatrix57692 жыл бұрын
Better comparison would be going to a Muslim restaurant & demanding they make you pork chops.
@Nonalhomophobie2 жыл бұрын
That is not the same. You cannot go to a restaurant and expect to be served ANYTHING that is not on the menu.
@DualCannons4 жыл бұрын
Just as I thought, he completely missed the point :)
@jordanthomas43796 жыл бұрын
You have NO right to force free citizens to do somthing that they don't want to do with their own private businesses, wanting to use government to FORCE people to do otherwise, actually makes YOU anti-freedom.
@TornadoeJoe5 жыл бұрын
Last time I checked you don't write anything on a salad. If you can't see how these are two very different situations, you're purposefully ignoring it. This is why shows like these are utter garbage.
@johnsoto23166 жыл бұрын
wow. what a complete and utter misrepresentation of what this case is all about.
@randoliz6 жыл бұрын
It's not discrimination, its religious freedom
@spriton_gal61717 жыл бұрын
I always get Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmels names mixed up.😁
@stanley31197 жыл бұрын
Niamh Bowman Moore Bruh
@Clansy747 жыл бұрын
One way to remember to which is which,is that Kimmel is the funny one and Fallon is the cheesy one.
@dangjus7 жыл бұрын
I mean, it’s your loss if you don’t bake the cake because then you’re losing money
@DeaconBlues257 жыл бұрын
Good luck with THAT argument. I tried the same one on a really hawt girl standin in front of my apartment.
@milhouse147 жыл бұрын
Religious freedom does not mean freedom to discriminate.
@monicafraire78876 жыл бұрын
This doesn’t represent the situation at hand even a little.
@monicafraire78876 жыл бұрын
^the owners should be respectful, that’s what I meant
@yoyu25674 жыл бұрын
So what you want to force the bakery to do what you want. Even thought they dont want to.
@EfHaichDee4 жыл бұрын
Except that they could have refused service for any number of reasons. They were making a statement. In order for it to reach the supreme court - they were making a very loud statement. That's the issue here. Is that this is an excuse for people to discriminate while appearing to follow the law.
@yoyu25674 жыл бұрын
@@EfHaichDee who the baker? He was making no statements?
@duckmcmad28434 жыл бұрын
@@EfHaichDee it wasn't the owner who took it to the supreme court
@youreoffline49344 жыл бұрын
This would be a valid issue to condemn if they refused to make cakes because you aren't white or because you are a woman...
@thyslop17374 жыл бұрын
This an absolute twisting of the issue. I do not like to pay taxes it violates my moral code of theft. Do I have a choice? No! If he did not want to write some homosexual phrase on the cake that is his perogative. If I am a plumber am I now forced to work for someone who does not want to pay me? As an owner you have the right to refuse anyone for whatever reason. There are plenty of bakerys, restaurants, hotels, etc that will gladly take your business.
@Nonalhomophobie4 жыл бұрын
As an owner you are bound to serve anyone who makes a request as long as it's not illegal.
@thyslop17374 жыл бұрын
@@Nonalhomophobie Wrong. Use to refuse service all the time
@Nonalhomophobie4 жыл бұрын
@@thyslop1737 Then you are a moron and a criminal. Refusing someone a service based on the sexual orientaiton is discrimination and therefore illegal.
@emilysofferings6 жыл бұрын
Not a fair comparison. And by exaggerating the issues in Masterpiece you’re really not doing any good
@pyrochemists6309 Жыл бұрын
Reason dismisses the disgusting childish need to insult better, smarter people who correctly understand the origin of that desire.
@wellslapmyassandcallmesall87337 жыл бұрын
for people saying the baker shouldnt be forced to make the cake, then why am i forced to make something for people of a different race?
@danthemandocommando66444 жыл бұрын
Boom!
@saginevital-herne37502 жыл бұрын
You don’t get it, he chose not to make a cake for a ceremony/event…there’s no “once in a lifetime” ceremony/event for being black.😕
@blackoutninja6 жыл бұрын
If you can't distinguish between refusing to service an individual and refusing to service an event you're not intelligent enough to be commenting on this issue
@tibodeclercq21312 жыл бұрын
Freedom of religion is wrong?
@Nonalhomophobie2 жыл бұрын
Freedom of religion is not freedom to enforce it on other people at their own freedom's detriment. You are free to believe what you want, but you are not free from the consequences of your actions.
@tgnben7 жыл бұрын
The little sketch makes me want Jimmy to host SNL.
@FeedingFrenzy914 жыл бұрын
Jimmy didn't even make a proper comparison to the ruling. God bless everyone.
@giovanni09086 жыл бұрын
What people don't understand is that such situation is private law, not public. If you don't like the policies of one private establishment, simply go to another. If it would be a public establishment (under governmental ownership) this would be a completely different situation. Plus, cakes are art. Art can only flourish with inspiration. If the artist/baker cannot see purposefulness with his art then how can he be inspired and actually MAKE it into art?
@eggsnspam7 жыл бұрын
From what i understand the cake is an art form more than food so the restaurant analogy wouldn't apply. Just as writers can tell whether or not their books can be quoted for some political purpose (e.g. Dr. Seuss' book quotes used by anti-abortion folks for which Dr. Seuss was allowed to force them to stop), an artist (cake maker/decorator) can tell whatever their art can be used for. I would be against the government forcing artist to have to allow their art to be used for what they don't believe in.
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
Eggsn Bakon: Actually that analogy is false.
@KNS60007 жыл бұрын
I think you have a profession confused with a guest.
@jodhod14987 жыл бұрын
Eggsn Bakon bakers do not bake cakes to make political statements, they are business, who are given work by clients. Furthermore, being LGBTQ is NOT a political statement, as that would mean one's existence and thus, God's judgement is within realms of political debate.
@donovanbishop58116 жыл бұрын
Scott InPhilly Wow...misquoting much? Too lazy to check the context I see.
@ChibiHoshiDragon6 жыл бұрын
@gam mal - yet they bake for fornicators (Prangant brides) and adulterers (Second marriages). They aren't allowed to celebrate those either. By baking for 2 of the 3 groups and singling out 1 of them they are discriminating and NOT following their beliefs.
@benjaminwalters67036 жыл бұрын
Let the business do this. Theyll lose all their customers in a couple months and go out of business. That's the beauty of the free market
@TheGloryXros6 жыл бұрын
Umm.....This isn't a good analogy to the issue. There's a clear difference between a PUBLIC RESTAURANT chef & a PRIVATELY OWNED wedding cake bakery. If it were just a regular bakery, I would agree with this. As long as they make it clear to who they cater to, there's no problem here. Besides, weddings at base conception is a Christian practice made for the union between man & woman, sooooo....is there really any surprise here???
@wesleyestelritz2026 жыл бұрын
A public entity shouldnt be alowed to discriminate but a private business shouldnt be forced to serve anyone.
@Therealgrillglove6 жыл бұрын
You should have the RIGHT to refuse service to ANYONE for ANYTHING. Why should I be forced into making you a cake if I don't want to?
@trinitylivingston12865 жыл бұрын
Well, ok. What if you're a doctor and you have a patient who happens to be LGBT and they have cancer? What would you do than? Also, you're the best doctor for them to see. Are you going to refuse them service because of religous beliefs and let them die??
@Therealgrillglove5 жыл бұрын
@@trinitylivingston1286 Sorry I did not reply earlier KZbin did not give me notifications for it. To answer your question, I would not let my patient die. however I would not force people into saving them, although I would try to convince them to do it.
@trinitylivingston12865 жыл бұрын
@@Therealgrillglove yeah but doctors is different, that kind of crosses the line into ethics because medical professionals are ethically supposed to treat someone even if they are a murderer, it's called the oath of being a medical professional.
@Therealgrillglove5 жыл бұрын
@@trinitylivingston1286 Unfortunately, doctors are not bound to there Hippocratic oath, however in 22 states it is illegal to refuse treatments because of sexual orientation.
@jdpalm19817 жыл бұрын
You're totally missing the point, Jimmy. She does cakes for gays all the time; however, she does not wish to participate in the wedding reception. It's the recognition of the union that's the problem and not them as individuals.
@ninajohnson76807 жыл бұрын
What if she refused to participate in the wedding reception of a divorce stained straight couple because that would be recognizing the union of two divorced people and would violate her Christian religious beliefs against divorce? Would you also support her in that?
@jdpalm19817 жыл бұрын
Nina Johnson Yes.
@acgogoacgogo88546 жыл бұрын
Thanks for that James. Too bad you can't take a joke. Oh, and, have nice squeaky clean Christian day, won't you?
@tylerlee2326 жыл бұрын
Jane Doe nope. religion, by definition, must be ontologically prior to law
@anndefratie25596 жыл бұрын
The baker is a guy for your information but you are indeed right.
@thejohnson20136 жыл бұрын
Still certain shops won’t serve for cops, but there is nothing wrong with that
@denisenova74946 жыл бұрын
That leather jacket birthday cake is a Rammstein-cake. It has the Rammstein symbol on it. (btw: the cake is a lie!)
@chelseaflint79645 жыл бұрын
I love everything about this comment
@LoonyMooni4 жыл бұрын
What do you mean it's a lie? I'm confused
@denisenova74944 жыл бұрын
@@LoonyMooni: It's a meme ;)
@LoonyMooni4 жыл бұрын
@@denisenova7494 oh god damn I just realised after re-reading your comment 🤦🏻♀️😂 Wasn't that something Portal related?
@matthieunolot45643 жыл бұрын
@@LoonyMooni 6 months late, but yes it's a Portal reference
@alexanderjbf7 жыл бұрын
Brilliant
@kalebk32497 жыл бұрын
Alex Jbf brilliant way to deflect from the actual issue?
@tylerhughes46677 жыл бұрын
Ergun Dergun...actually it was brilliant. Where does the bigotry and hypocrisy end?
@analssimoes7 жыл бұрын
Ergun Dergun, the actual issue is a homophobic baker didn't want to bake a cake!!! How is homophobia different from racism...? Have in mind that in both cases people are born like that and have no say about it!!! If you think that being a homosexual isn't natural, please tell me at what age you decided to be heterosexual!? In fact, he is using things you can actually choose with others you can't, to make a point!! You can actually choose your religion and your own ideas, you can choose to discriminate... it's your choice... You can't choose what you are born with!!!
@iCEL557 жыл бұрын
Kimmel is rightfully fighting the hateful, bigoted, discriminatory actions of the baker. There's nothing wrong with hating hatred.
@BlotRorschach7 жыл бұрын
If you don't understand the legality of the issue and are susceptible to severe misdirection, I guess the sketch can come across as brilliant.
@simritkaur80887 жыл бұрын
I love how you use your platform to bring to light these serious issues~ it creates awareness and awareness is the first step to optimistic change
@jennam.72686 жыл бұрын
Why would you even want to support a business that has those kind of beliefs and is not accommodating? You shouldn't have to force a private business to take your money if they don't want it; leave them alone and let them go out of business if they want to be that way. Support companies that are inclusive instead.
@jimmuo92862 жыл бұрын
Well Jimmy we did continue to watch until my brother passed away last week. The last show he watched was yours. At least he was laughing with you! Thanks for making us all just a bit happier.
@kierannbailey78686 жыл бұрын
My belief is to live and let live as long as no one is being oppressed or harmed. Forcing Christian bakers to have a hand in something against their beliefs is oppression. I know Kimmel is trying to say to what extent do these rulings go but on the other side if the rulings were not in the bakery’s favor, how far can the government go to go against your beliefs. There’s a reason we have a freedom of religion. And the thing is, is that if people don’t agree with how you handle your business and beliefs(from a capitalist perspective) you will go out of business because of boycotting. Those customers in this hypothetical scenario will likely never come back to that restaurant, give a bad review, and that restaurant will go out of business. Simple as that. Live and let live.
@thepepperlanders2 жыл бұрын
It's about being forced to write a message, Not the cake. What if a customer wants a Muslim baker to write, "pork is good for you" on a cake. Should he be forced to write it?
@Nonalhomophobie2 жыл бұрын
Bakers are "forced" to write messages all the time for all kinds of cakes. Why should this one be any different ? Your example with a Muslim is the same. Nobody cares about what the Muslim thinks of the message. This is not about him. The messages is not directed at him.
@ilikepurplenoses2 жыл бұрын
as a Muslim if I was a baker I would have no problem writing that on a cake, it’s my job to do as requested lol
@AtheistWar Жыл бұрын
@@Nonalhomophobie The baker has no choice (prob fired) but the company that OWNS the bakery can! Keyword owner not employee. Also you can’t force Jew/Muslim/Christian to write something against there religions.
@Nonalhomophobie Жыл бұрын
@@AtheistWar Religion has no place in a business that is not tied to it ! The owner is bound to serve the customers as long as it is nothing illegal. If for some reason a baker refused to write anything for a mixed couple, would you approve ?? If a doctor refused to take medical care of you because you are a woman, would you accept it ??
@coleq.73006 жыл бұрын
That man has the right to freedom of religion and people like you are trying to take that away from him. Even though denying them service is not the "morally right" thing to do it is his right to practice freedom of religion and to refuse service to anyone.
@christopherramsey70276 жыл бұрын
Just to be clear: The baker was perfectly willing to bake the cake, saying that they someone else would simply have to be the one to write on it.
@michaeldeo50686 жыл бұрын
That made absolutely no sense, nor did it relate in any way to the decision of the court.
@andipandi56415 жыл бұрын
yes.. i can remember when Malcolm X and Germaine Greer and Abbie Hoffman and Frank Zappa and Lennie Bruce would promote a progressive or liberal agenda in a more punchy and honest way.. but this was sad and dishonest..
@dogfooddevin55385 жыл бұрын
Well, it takes having sense to have sensed it to begin with, yet since you lack sense you may have missed the point.
@truegirl2anna6 жыл бұрын
Lol this argument doesn’t work, and the Supreme Court agrees, so nice try!
@sbishi95275 жыл бұрын
True2Live true. He's a clown
@juliankiebicki2296 жыл бұрын
You can’t and shouldn’t force person to make something that violates there moral code. For Christians, refusing to do such a thing isn’t prejudice or homofobia, this is standing up for ideals. Not selling them cake in their own bakery is a moral/faith choice. They weren’t hurting anybody. For Christians this is really a violation of moral rules.
@AkonFenty19926 жыл бұрын
Not baking a cake for someone, 'cause of their sexual orientation is called discrimination, and I'm a Christian, but what morals? if they knew anything about the Bible it doesn't condemn homosexuality it condemns certain sexual behaviors like rape and prostitution.
@nakaylasmith72696 жыл бұрын
I love how he name dropped the bakery
@Solo-Road3 жыл бұрын
This was a false equivalence, but still funny.
@shaneturner5007 жыл бұрын
And here's where the free market kicks in: Those guys close down in a week!
@Paldentseringsherpa3 жыл бұрын
Nope not happening, free market exactly is the reason that they should instead be looking for a baker that willingly bake for them as how they want it, not force someone to make one if they dont want to. You dont want some shitty things on your cake, do you?
@shaneturner5003 жыл бұрын
@@Paldentseringsherpa free market is that people chose where to spend their money. Boycotts are free market.
@Paldentseringsherpa3 жыл бұрын
@@shaneturner500 oh definitely you can boycott as much as you want that's your free choice but if you think simply because you disagree or dont share the same value and beliefs as others, don't you also think there are various number of people whom they share similar values?
@Paldentseringsherpa3 жыл бұрын
@@shaneturner500 for your information that bakery is still good and running even to this date, I am sorry to hear that your boycott didnt have much effect to their business. Good try tho.
@Paldentseringsherpa3 жыл бұрын
@PratosX . that is wrong but it doesn't affect me, from my first point of view, if a private entity denies to serve me, say given I was Nepali, I would just go to different bakery which now gets my business, I am not gonna cry infront of their store begging.
@Quancept6 жыл бұрын
This was just stupid...why were people clapping?
@ThewildvoiceOrg16 жыл бұрын
Maybe these two women thought of making some good money and came up with the idea of going to a bakery owned by Christians in the hope of being "discriminated against". Then maybe, as a spectator of this ridiculous television sketch, I should be able to press charges against Jimmy Kimmel (and the Television Network) for *discriminating against the Christians, for reporting facts in a misleading manner, for fostering hatred against a specific religious group and for public mockery.* Just food for thought.
@carlapontifexbrittromanum77906 жыл бұрын
Very good point, actually.
@bobdelacruz3326 жыл бұрын
Yeah...but jimmy kimmel is even too dumb to understand that to begin with. lol
@carlozigoti91906 жыл бұрын
If people can now sue each other based on how "offended" they feel, we are headed towards a total regime. But it seems as if only non-Christians are protected by anti-discriminatory laws. Yet again, we Christians are always the hateful discriminators (...who again are the only ones truly discriminated against as this video shows).
@davidkorr75766 жыл бұрын
The WILD VOICE Amen!
@robertomalavasi19816 жыл бұрын
I think Jimmy Kimmel should stop propagandizing for the elite when Hollywood is filled with pervs and pedophiles.
@anzerwaqar57276 жыл бұрын
this is really bad interpretation of what really happened.
@lukehodson96256 жыл бұрын
Everyone is entitled to their beliefs. Don’t make a video that sums up someone’s Christian values to be hatred for Gays, you’re missing the mark.
@andipandi56415 жыл бұрын
yes.. i can remember when Malcolm X and Germaine Greer and Abbie Hoffman and Frank Zappa and Lennie Bruce would promote a progressive or liberal agenda in a more punchy and honest way.. but this was sad and dishonest.. nothing wrong with ripping the piss out of demented christians - but not good to misconstrue their basic legal rights..
@ozurking47484 жыл бұрын
I dont think so...
@kathysavage93426 жыл бұрын
You’re not entitled to someone else’s labor.
@FooBarBash6 жыл бұрын
My favourite part of this skit was Jimmy failing to tie his apron on.
@thedemi_goddess7 жыл бұрын
The couple could easily go elsewhere, the baker has a strong faith, should they also be persecuted and go against their own faith. This wasn’t homophobia, it’s a matter of faith
@Leonard32137 жыл бұрын
Demi Oloyede the chose to serve the public therefore must follow public law. If they arent happy with it then don't serve the public.
@thedemi_goddess7 жыл бұрын
Leonard O Callaghan according to the law of course
@Leonard32137 жыл бұрын
Demi Oloyede exactly....a business operates under the law not faith... so faith must be put aside
@thedemi_goddess7 жыл бұрын
Leonard O Callaghan yeah , but the case was taken to court and it wasn’t in violation of any laws.
@Darin-9o77 жыл бұрын
Leonard O Callaghan And the law says that a private business is allowed to deny service to whoever they want
@AppleWhiteFan6 жыл бұрын
if i was refused serves for being bi i would be mad and sad :/ and i think my mom would be ten times madder than me. she'd probably go up and slap them. i love that my mom is so supportive
@abraham_gaming59043 жыл бұрын
So being violent is supportive?
@AppleWhiteFan3 жыл бұрын
@@abraham_gaming5904 Just me exaggerating a little bit, my moms super supportive , thats what I was getting at lol.
@abraham_gaming59043 жыл бұрын
@@AppleWhiteFan its ok, you got instagram?
@AppleWhiteFan3 жыл бұрын
@@abraham_gaming5904 yeah
@abraham_gaming59043 жыл бұрын
@@AppleWhiteFan let me have it so I can follow ya
@absolutelynot5244 жыл бұрын
we've never ever experienced this in our country same sex marriage isn't legal here :((((
@ddannydaniel33404 жыл бұрын
good
@tahacherradi5996 жыл бұрын
I love Jimmy. I love his creativity the most :)
@fervidreader57486 жыл бұрын
Terrible comparison, but thanks for creating content ig.
@Reginasikes6 жыл бұрын
People can do what they want they shouldn't be forced to do anything🤷
@jonathanh.24834 жыл бұрын
Do you remember "we reserve the right to refuse service to any customer"? I don't see how it's wrong.
@ramihamzeh95276 жыл бұрын
Just... find another bakery???
@trinitylivingston12865 жыл бұрын
Maybe don't discriminate...
@thecoolcarhd44025 жыл бұрын
too complex to comprehend.
@thecoolcarhd44025 жыл бұрын
@@trinitylivingston1286 What he did was acceptable,As it was a sin,Which would cost you your soul for all of eternity.