Apollo Pro V7 Review: Is the Lexus of Escooters Near Perfection or Just Over Priced?

[@Kitz419]

I have been waiting for this review! Thanks guys 🎉

[@tm_bunny_peludito5065]

Thanks for the videos yesterday I got my Apollo City Pro 2023 my height is 5.2 but the scooter is amazing the reason why I bought it was for daily use since I paid 350 a month for Uber and now I can go to work

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

Plus the City Pro is IP66 so you can ride it in the rain, and the battery is UL certified so you can legally store it in most apartment buildings/workplace bicycle storage.

[@freshlycharged]

Great to hear!

[@THEAVERAGEGUY1983]

Definitely very nice scooter. I tested one of their versions last year at rider fest 2023 back In October. Apollo Definitely knows how to package their stuff way better than Segway and thats coming from a GT1 owner. I definitely will be picking up an Apollo Pro once i Pay Off my Inmotion RS Midnight which is another beast of a scooter. Great review as always guys. 😎👊👍

[@ElectricWayGt2]

lmao you joking right ? i have the Gt2 and the pro v7 right there in the house and apollo is far behind segway in term of build quality ! ride experience ! and light years ahead in customer services ! i took them both for a quick spin yesterday back to back and apollo is slower in everyway, it doesnt feel safe at high speed at the second you take an incline or a turn due to the 'balloon' tires the app crash always iphone users get the update decades later than android . the battery they claim is so good is loosing its charge while sleeping where segway stay solid as a brick even a full month without touching it feel safe even at 110kmh like .. the only reason i have the pro its because its ip66 and i tought i would get it for christmass but hey thats an other story !

[@THEAVERAGEGUY1983]

@ElectricWayGt2 if your talking about the Packaging like i stated in my comment, then no im not joking. The Packaging from Apollo is better lol. When it comes to ride quality, i cant say much about it other than what i experienced briefly during my quick test ride. As for speed woobles, like my $4,000 inmotion RS, not everyone is experiencing speed wobble but i did and did a mod recently to solve that problem. And i also recall saying this is coming from a "GT1" owner not GT2. 😅🤦‍♂️

[@ShaggyRodgers420]

@@ElectricWayGt2yeah Apollo is great in a lot ways. Quality compared to the Segway is not one. Particularly to the GT2 (which is also nearly 1k cheaper)

[@ElectricWayGt2]

@@THEAVERAGEGUY1983 we were talking between segway and the apollo pro since its the one in the clip just like you said 'their stuff is way better than segway' sorry line was to thin to read between .. but bottom line no apollo aint better than segway top tear to top tear .. okay apollo boxe didnt had foam roaming around in the box .. have you heard how many peoples struggle to do the first step ?! just to screw in the first 6 screws for the steam ? apollo just got a bestbuy distribution deal yeah they prolly going to do better but right now it aint it

[@ElectricWayGt2]

@@ShaggyRodgers420 apollo first sold their pro for 4,999.99$ cad and segway Gt2 5.499.99$ cad am sorry but if you play in these tear you aint 500$ off just like if you sell something saying its top tear and you asking the same top tear price as the competitor .. you should be at the competitor level .. now am just feeling like am funding their next big thing ! 6-7 ? gen of backers for the pros .. its nice i like it .. but now that ive ride it 3500$ would be more it imo . on the pro you can ajust the torque but we been warn by the HQ to not go over 6 out of 10 if we in ludo mode or it can damage the rotors and what not .. wtf ? why did you leave us the way to play with it if we can break it by doing so ? i went 110kmh with my gt2 and temps didnt exceed 45 degres 😅 it really really aint suposed to be compared in the same tear !

[@MyInnerPeace]

I think your mystery sound may be the drum brake cable spring.

[@kteman]

Pro owner here. The creaking sound is from the front fork. Following procedure to loosen front fork side bolts, apply lubricant below, back and above will fix the sound.

[@michaelcharach]

Great review guys. I wish you would put these larger scooters next to a more standard sized one so the viewers could get a feel for just how large they are. They all look the same size on a video when you have nothing to compare them to

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

Agreed. I went from an Apollo Ghost to an Apollo Phantom, and you kind of have to have a frame of reference. I'd like to see a visual on how large the scooter is compared to, say, the trunk of a car, across the back seat of a common car size, etc. Ground clearance is something that tends to go up, especially with 12" tires. Anyone who's ridden through parking garages will learn how to duck one way or another!

[@PRINCE_175]

Correct !!! This scooter is just as big as the Segway G2…A beast of a scooter and heavy as hell

[@daveguy2242]

You all do a great job reviewing, my wife and I have just got into the E Scoots and I have the Apollo Go wife has the NUI KQI 300x we love them and have a blast, oh and regen braking is awesome favorite feature

[@AustinF516]

I have the scooter. When you have the throttle all the way down it brings you to 39-40. When you hit 40 and are cruising at 40 for a few seconds, release the full throttle pressure for a brief moment. Then hit the throttle all the way. It will then accelerate to the 43-44mph.

[@FofXequalsYnot]

But dats too fast in London …🤨

[@hhova29]

So how do you rate it thus far? I’ve debated buying the phantom v4 but saw this also. I do prefer a slightly rugged unit

[@AustinF516]

@hhova29 Happy to help! The ride is truly effortless. The inputs are intuitive, and there is never a moment where I'm surprised by how the scooter reacts to what I ask of it. At this price point there are scooters that are faster, have more powerful brakes, and accelerate quicker ( like the new phantom 2.0). The reason why I will keep this longer than other scooters I own is because its emphasis on build quality and seamless riding experience makes it a joy every time I take it out. If I were giving it a grades it would be A+ ride quality A+ user experience, B+ acceleration, B brakes, B- weight, A++ confidence on night rides.

[@DT-Nicky]

Ahhh it the best of an original design. They have come along way and it is a marvelous scooter to ride even if it is not a hyper scooter. Well done @Apolloscooters

[@femacampetiquettefordummie6979]

52V battery? 44 MPH max speed? Perhaps Apollo should have called it the "Semi-Pro". Apollo still has to go back to the drawing board and raise the bar to achieve a true Pro flagship scooter.

[@VelocityLP]

i feel like you're conflating "pro" with something like "sport" or "hyper". professional is a word that has nothing to do with being a speed demon

[@yournumberonepal]

I don't know if the materials and design justifies the price when the performance metrics are what they are. Even Segway, with their GT2 saw the writing on the wall and you can find it at $2500. I know both aren't chasing the top performance numbers, but to command premium pricing you need to be in the ballpark.

[@kuntekinte2687]

aaà​@@VelocityLP

[@SiouxSavage]

NGL I think this is gonna be my next escooter!! My Dualtron City isn't the fastest scooter either and I love my City!! The power off sound is dope AF!! That sound kinda made my decision haha

[@xXC0deZer0Xx]

Got one myself brother, you won't be disappointed.

[@AuthenTech]

Hey! Dalton signed a non-compete, you're in big trouble! ;)

[@freshlycharged]

Andrew says he's jumping ship to your channel. Dalton is starting to cramp his style since he's younger and willing to break bones for the channel.

[@khanrides]

This scooter would be perfect with a 60V battery and higher amp controller so it could reach 40mph faster. Most riders don’t gun it to 40 every single time but having the option is great especially if you turn onto a wide road with a high speed limit and no bike lanes.

[@cooperschiavo836]

Agreed. At this price point I’d expect a 72v

[@Asghaad]

@@cooperschiavo836 72v, hydraulic disk brakes and dual hydraulic adjustable suspension ... specs of this thing scream lower mid class but the price they are asking for is like if it was the best...

[@lakeeconcepcion4260]

just awesome...apollo escooters are a legit investment...i saw one and it looks solid...awesome review guys!TC all time.

[@hyperstimmed]

Calling any vehicle an investment is just plain stupid

[@cheshire_]

finally a review of the pro :) I think it's an ok scooter but their asking price is too much, especially since it's so close specs wise to their phantom scooter... so essentially you're paying over $1k extra for a new design and lights... and I regret my decision of not getting the phantom instead but some other downsides I've noticed after 2 months: -Suspension is too stiff for my weight(200lbs), I can feel every little bump on the road, comparing it to my Kaabo GTR it feels like riding on a cloud -Using the same awful folding mechanism, your life relies on a thin piece of metal to stay intact with all of the vibrations/bumps -We need a dust cover on the stem folding button, I'm glad you guys mentioned it As for the creaking noise, I had the same issue on my city pro and apollo recommended me to put lithium grease in the stem so I'd guess it's the same for the pro

[@HikerToo]

Huge difference between the Phantom and PRO is the battery. The Pro has a new Samsung 21700 battery, the Phantom 1,2,3.,4 all have the same generic battery that cost $900 to replace at Apollo. Mine went bad after 2 summers/6K miles. I bouhyt a Kaabo Mantis King GT with the Samsung.

[@oscxng]

I think you missed the fact that this scooter allows you to charge and hold your phone on the main screen, sort of replacing the middle screen. Also I would compare this to a G Wagon😂 Expensive, but insanely luxury.

[@freshlycharged]

Good comparison with the G Wagon!

[@oscxng]

@@freshlycharged thanks!

[@kteman]

Pro owner here. The creaking sound is from the front fork. Following procedure to loosen front fork side bolts, apply lubricant below, back and above on both sides will fix the sound.

[@freshlycharged]

Thanks for the info!

[@nhcs2k]

I wish this model would be possible in Germany with all the lights and the power. It screams perfection to me.

[@laez]

Lubrication of the front suspension and bearing got rid of that sound for me!

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

WD40's "white lithium grease" works well.

[@freshlycharged]

We will give it a shot!

[@laez]

@@freshlycharged The silicone lubricant seemed to work best!

[@HikerToo]

Huge difference between the Phantom and PRO is the battery. The Pro has a new Samsung 21700 battery, the Phantom 1,2,3.,4 all have the same generic battery that cost $900 to replace at Apollo. Mine went bad after 2 summers/6K miles. I bought a Kaabo Mantis King GT with the 60v Samsung for $2K

[@sp37rum52]

17:53 The sound from the front comes from the spring rubbing against the edges of the spring retainers if i'm not wrong🤔🤔

[@RyanMah34]

I don’t think it needs to be faster but more range would’ve been appreciated.

[@jasontwilliams]

Loving mine!

[@americatheblind5820]

Like some things about this scooter, but 52v system, drum brakes, and rubber puck suspension in the back at this price? Have a Klima and think for the money it's probably the best option for the weight/price. Maybe a comparison?

[@paradyme]

Not a chance Apollo would let them do that. Then people would realize it's a slower more cumbersome Klima with a $1500 lighting kit.

[@soul6782]

Finally you guy do a review on Apollo pro haha I have one too.

[@PourAuthority]

I have the City Pro '23 and also have that creaking sound coming from near the front fender. I want to say its the wires running through the front rubbing against the stem under panel but it's annoying. Hopefully it doesn't lead to any issues.

[@andrewbarratachea]

Ive watched this too many times. I ended up buying. Cant wait till it gets here!

[@freshlycharged]

It’s a really sweet scooter!

[@cmoney360CS]

Just bought a go, love it. Got the bug real bad. After 250 miles in one week I am now eyeing the Apollo city dual motor and the cyberpunk rider pro. My only complaints with the go are its mileage about 18 miles with a mix of comfort maxed at 20 and sport maxed at 26. But should I just get this and not be shopping for the next upgrade for my scooter.

[@aptrm80]

This is a really nice Scooter 🛴 I have a Kukirin G3 Pro😢 but wish I had paid the extra for the RS5 MAX. Seeing this Scooter it would nice to see a comparison video between the Apollo Pro V7 & the Roadrunner RS5 MAX as this video really has me thinking 🤔 great video 👍🏼

[@hhova29]

I’ve considered buying the kukirin g3 pro. I’ve read great things about it. What makes you consider the other ones you mentioned like the rs5. I also hear a lot are the same clone scooter from several manufacturers. I’ve also considered the Apollo phantom v4 but idk cause I’ve heard of qa issues with Apollo and horrible customer service

[@aptrm80]

@@hhova29 The original RS5 was basically the same as the G3 Pro but the updated RS5 MAX has a 32AH LG Battery, NUTT Brakes , 1400w motors, Newer controls & throttle but the main difference is the 30amp controller -top speed 50mph(80kph) , smoother acceleration & the power braking works much better plus it looks much nicer in Blue . I recently bought the LS7 72v but I’m still going to finish upgrading my G3 Pro into a RS5 MAX with the battery , controller & motors.

[@hhova29]

@@aptrm80I appreciate your feedback. Ty so much for that information. For me I wouldn’t mind the battery it has even if not lg as long as it’s a ucl certified one being that my region is strict w the guidelines. Im also considering the new ausom gallop sr1 scooter which looks similar to this scooter if not spend a bit more for the phantom v4. What do u think of those scooters mentioned from your knowledge on them? Btw kkukitin did upgrade the handle bars and bottoms on the g3 pro. They emailed me when I inquired with them about in a potential sale.

[@aptrm80]

@@hhova29 don’t know much about the Phantom v4 so can’t say much other than it looks decent going by the specs…more 💰..the Ausom Gallop has good reviews, it’s pretty much the same as the G3 Pro apart from the shocks … it has the quick disconnect like the B version G3 Pro & the handlebar like the older A version . …… I’ve had my G3 Pro for a year now & put over 3k km on it. I’ve upgraded a few things & painted mine . Videos are on my other channel.

[@RoyalTeaLegion]

16:12. He speeks facts. The i came from segway max g2. It was good. The fender its awful. Upgraded to apollo city's pro 2022 model. It rides like a dream. Gonna get the apollo pro, 2025 -26 if they come out an even more refined version. It's about experience. If i want to go super fast. Get a motorcycle. Or a car at this point. I stand by them.

[@voxtek]

Same problems I see with most scooters, they make the deck so freaking short. And it needs more range, so a longer deck would take care of both of those problems. I will say however, its about time they added a center stand to a scooter, i've been calling for those for a while.

[@Andrew714oc]

52v 😢 I like power! Wish it was at least 60v for the price! I get that it’s unique and comes with a bunch of cool bells & whistles but definitely not enough to pull me away from my Nami Klima Max!

[@RefinerSimilitude]

Thanks for the review guys. There are some thoughtful design elements I can appreciate on this like the center kickstand, the place to mount And charge your phone, and That large light upfront for a better visibility during the daytime, but that Segway GT2, though! I think it's about twice the acceleration at around four seconds to 30 mph, more than twice the adjustability in suspension with greater travel front and rear, what appears to me to be at least double the build quality and appearances, a more area to stand and for only $2500 right now. Personally I would rather use my Bose mini speaker. Speakers can be fragile. If or when the speaker membranes tear on that scooter, it might good place for water to get in.

[@ElectricWayGt2]

i have a sony xb100 sligned on the gt2 work like magic but be carfull Gt2 dont go well with water.. had to buy the apo pro afterward

[@rumdumpster390]

It's IP66, so unless you are riding it into a lake you should be fine.

[@mojakk27]

how do you connect your tunes to the pro? can't seem to figure it out. great review~!

[@freshlycharged]

You have to go to your Bluetooth settings on your phone and pair it with the scooter.

[@andrewbarratachea]

I want to get this so bad. But I know theres gonna be a version 8. Maybe at that point ill get one.

[@darrinyo-mamakimble7002]

The only thing I would fix on that is a bigger battery. 70 km an hour is plenty fast for a guy like myself, but I would really appreciate more range. I’m not sure if it is a possible, but I would also like the ability to get off-road tires

[@ZeroLoveTennis]

Wish it had disc brakes. Maybe a bit more adjustability on the cockpit but they are so set on internally wiring as much as possible. Luckily the regen brings a lot of the downsides of drums to be less relevant so I can kind of look past it. I am ok with the battery size because that is part of what keeps the weight down to something more manageable, I'll take 30lbs off my scooter for an extra 20 miles I probably won't use. Rarely do I ride my scooter for more than 20 miles at a given time. 30 is even less likely. The scooter can still do more than that so I can't complain.

[@hyperstimmed]

Funny, the battery spec is the same as the custom pack I'm building for the Ghost. 14S6P with 50S cells

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

I owned a '22 Ghost & my brother & I raced each other (Him, 165lbs, on the Ghost at P5 max acceleration. Me, 200lbs on the 2023 Phantom in LUDO mode). Both at 100% charge, same road, neck & neck. The Ghost is considerably faster to 50km/h than the Phantom, but the Phantom starts pulling away after 50, albeit slowly. I'm hauling about 35lbs more in gravy & ice cream, so we traded to make sure. Ghost STILL faster to about 45km/h before the Phantom took over. No comparison, the Phantom is better, but the Ghost is faster to 50, more nimble & a lot lighter. Loved the Ghost, but the first thing I did was get hydraulic brakes.

[@AndyCartwright]

I have this scooter and I feel like the creaking noise is coming from the spring in the front. Really nice scooter though.

[@Andrew-vt4jt]

What version do you have of the Pro?

[@freshlycharged]

You have the creaking too?

[@AndyCartwright]

Yes, it seems to creak about halfway through the front suspension travel. I have the v7.

[@kteman]

@@AndyCartwrightyes. It can be fixed by lubing the sides of the front fork, better done by loosening the side bolts after removing their covers.

[@danpettis1675]

very nice job apollo . well done!, but my heart is still set on the Segway GT2

[@richardmcmichael9329]

Very honest and excellent critique…proper critical assessment….

[@thomasmcmullen4523]

And why do they give tire size instead of rim size ? This one does have the center stand. I didn't know why all didn't come with. And give minimum range and speed.

[@mikehagquist5198]

Bushings last longer than bearings. Bearings are better and smoother but do not last longer. Bushings are maintenance free. Bearings will freeze up from water ect.

[@CATiiib]

Is the Apollo Pro capable of doing light off road work? Like bike trails and cruising around a farm? I like the technology of the Apollo but am uncertain as to whether or not it will be mostly useless to cruise around the farm and state parks on if desired. First time scooter buyer and will be traveling in our motor home with it. I am a buy once cry once personality. I grew up racing everything so skill isn't an issue. It is daunting trying to find the right machine and make sure I'm not buying garbage. Ty to anyone with any insight.

[@me-hk4ic]

I might get this for the antitheft features

[@CarsonBoyd]

My thought was, OK, the wheels lock up. It's still easy enough to lift and shove into a closed van that would dampen the sound. Of course, I'm guessing here.

[@wastemore4043]

@@CarsonBoydwell this is true the thing you’ll have to worry about the most is someone riding off with it as that happend to me before with a previous scoot

[@CartoonWeasel]

I was looking at either that or the RS. Ended up picking the rs. More power, more range. I found the appolo nice but the rs wast just better overall for what i wanted. The apollo is good if you have to go to work in a suit. Put on your suit and go on with this scooter. If the apollo would've been 72v with faster speeds and range, i would've picked it.

[@carlijunesaga4169]

Great review guys, if compared to segway GT2 vs Apollo Pro, which is much better when it comes to waterproofing? thanks

[@xHiyami]

Apollo pro is better. GT2 is only IP54. Apollo pro is IP66. So no rain for Gt2, but all the rain for Apollo Pro.

[@roadknight80vj]

Great review guys, worth waiting. Did you find the deck length adequate? It looks a little cramped for space. Also Give us the update on the front creaking noise when found.

[@freshlycharged]

I find the deck to be comfortable due to the nice kickplate angle, but only have a size 10.5 shoe. I could see people with larger feet preferring a larger deck. We were told the front part that is next to the suspension could be greased to alleviate the noise.

[@jamessink3736]

With the Segway GT2 at $2500, I don’t see who chooses this for $1k more.

[@Mattdoc210]

I couldn't even imagine paying 2000$ and up for a scooter I'm content with my wolf warrior x , I'll never understand how people use these daily

[@thefpvlife7785]

This is not a case of "You get what yo pay for". Based on the specs ... It's a Varla Pro with a Tuxedo at an exuberant price point.

[@MrTigerStarX]

I feel like this scooter raises the bar, and I'm looking forward to a better price with competitive features.

[@johnhigh2348]

Sound like it's out of space😮 what do you think the cameraman finally revealed

[@fancypants6089]

Finally !!!

[@InterventioN746]

They really should make a performance-oriented trim of this. Give it disc brakes, better display, higher top speed, and 60V system.

[@ElectricWayGt2]

its call a gt2

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

@@ElectricWayGt2 GT2 has IP54, is 25lbs heavier, can't be folded to be put into a car trunk, and has smaller tires. It's faster to its top speed, but at that weight, it better be. Can't even ride the GT2 in the rain. Nice scooter for some I guess, but apples/oranges.

[@Patriot36]

15:56 Hey "ninja" you have a fairly sophisticated following at this point, with way more veterans that you have noobs saying: "for a lot less money you can get a faster scooter." That's not the complaint however. You just showed us a $3500 scooter that fell 5mph short of its STATED top speed. Rather than making a big deal about a possible issue that hasn't happened yet, involving sand with the latch, I think you should have taken Apollo to task for the "ludicrous" speed shortcoming. Both of you just blew right over it and then offered and excuse later with the luxury car example. Furthermore, it's not only the issue with "how fast it goes" (top speed)... it's performance in general. When you factor in other things like acceleration, braking distance and range, it comes up short everywhere. As an off the cuff 52v example, I just took possession of a RS5 Max which beats the V7 to 30mph by 2.2sec and to 40mph by 5sec while out braking it by several feet. The V7 is also out-ranged by the RS5 Max's 1664Ah LG battery. Not implementing disc brakes is inexcusable despite the reliability advantages. After all, with regen brakes that work so well, you're disc brake pads aren't going to be a big wear issue anyway but the best possible stopping performance is there if you need it. To a veteran scooter guy like myself, the V7 is a sexy, high quality, flop, unfortunately. Could it be attractive at $500 less? ...possibly. The issue is that you have models like the Nami Klima Max that come in at $2700 and perform like a Ferrari, being faster, quicker accelerating, shorter braking, longer range, 19lbs lighter, more refined suspension and with it's own signature look... not unlike Apollo with it's own signature look. Do I like the look of the V7 more, yes but having the edge in appearance can't overcome all of the shortages in other areas... even apart from the price differences.

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

I know 3 people who have the Pro & they've all had theirs going > 80km/h. I have a Phantom with a top speed of 63km/h, mine's been to 71km/h without being in 'ludo' mode. They must have had the top speed limited, which it likely is by default. Not that the Pro is a rocket, it could be a better performer - but it's not a 'performance' scooter - it's about low maintenance, worry-free riding. Nothing like a Klima for acceleration @ that price & I think the Namis are much prettier. Hydraulic brakes are effective for sure, but I've got Nutt hydraulics on my Apollo Phantom & only use them for high speed emergency braking. Regen is just so much better for all except unplanned stops at high speed. Once you wear the drum brakes in, they'll lock up just fine if that's what you want. Yeah, hydraulics are the best - but you don't get the scraping of dirty brake discs or have to replace the pads as often. Depends what you want - but everyone I spoke with who ended up buying a Pro admits to liking the drum brakes. The batteries having UL Certification will be a big deal soon, especially for losers like myself who live in apartments not houses. None of Nami's lineup has UL cert'd batteries. Most people don't care, but that was the main reason I'm not getting a Klima. The LUDO feature isn't that much of a boost, I got my top speeds on my scooter in regular mode - LUDO comes in handy when you're low on battery & need torque - the controller tells the battery to send more torque to make up for it. I never found LUDO to help to increase any top speed. The Pro will definitely hit 80kmh (50mph) & not only downhill. 300lb rider ain't touching that, and wind can affect top speed. I'm telling you stuff you know already - but there's always a tradeoff. I like the 12" tires, I like the IP66, but for $4300 CDN, I'd like more acceleration/range. The Klima is faster yeah, but it's only 3lbs lighter than the Apollo Pro (90lbs vs. 93lbs).

[@freshlycharged]

These are all very good points. We were able to get the scooter up to 45 mph after messing with the settings, so we didn't focus on why our first speed runs didn't hit the 44 mph top speed. There are definitely a lot of other options out there for those looking for speed and longer range, but there are few scooters with the same type of design and features. The Segway GT2 is probably the closest in design and build quality, but also falls short on top speeds and battery size. The RS5 looks like a nice scooter but we will not support Roadrunner due to them threatening to sue us for stating in our LS7+ review that it was marketed as the fastest non racing scooter, even though it was on their website. We have also had other issues with Roadrunner but it could end up being a novel if we wanted to air it all out. The biggest issue we have is they are faking positive reviews by having family members and content creators make them to counter their negative reviews. They pick and choose who they want to help and it is solely based on the owner, Dale, and if he likes how you approach him.

[@Patriot36]

@@freshlycharged Yes, understood, Dale sounds like a real piece of work. The idea wasn't to sidetrack the main thought by highlighting any particular scooter. Since I own some nice riding, dual motor scooters, like the RS5 Max, Klima, Mantis King GT, VSett10+ the point was simply to say that as nice as the V7 is from a quality standpoint, it's 50-80% more expensive than some scooters that clock it from a performance standpoint, acceleration, braking, range, etc, as well as some areas like suspension sophistication. The V7's suspension just isn't in the same arena as the Klima or it's larger brothers, the Mantis King GT, or even a GoTrax GX3 with quadruple KKE adjustable rebound dampeners. Regarding the brakes, it's not just that they aren't discs... by their very nature, they're not even hydraulic. So the braking performance isn't very impressive and the braking feel is that of any other cable actuated system out there. It is what it is. Again, had this model come in at a $3k price point, it would be a lot easier to stomach. Glad to hear you sorted out the speed test... might be worth annotating in your video. It's possible I missed it if you had.

[@Patriot36]

@@OhGawdHesGotAGun Nice to know that it will actually go 44-45mph. That's a big plus! I see that Freshly Charged mentioned this in a comment below. 1 point back to the Pro. The Klima has a stated weight of 79lbs. Just weighed it on a bathroom scale and electronic shipping scale 83.2lbs and 83.8lbs. ESG scooters weighed it at 84lbs. The Apollo Pro has an ESG tested weight of 95.2lbs. All that to say that the actual difference is about 12lbs, not 3lbs. You basically made my point about hydraulic discs being appropriate on the Pro at this price point, with the inclusion of regenerative braking. Just like your Phantom, you'll hardly ever use the discs because of regen YET they're there for the sheer and in some cases, life saving performance when necessary. Also, it's not just the stopping performance but the brake feel on a premium scooter is important unless you turn a blind eye. The cable actuated drums of the Pro have about the same brake 'feel' as my Emove Cruiser S.... without the benefit and stopping performance of the discs. I find this inexplicable on a scooter of the Pro's price point. The UL certification is nice but other scooter manufactures are joining. The GX3 for example, a $1700 is UL certified so even companies like GoTrax are doing this. The same goes if the IP66 rating which is even available on the lowly Punk Riders now. In any case, the idea behind my post isn't to say the Pro is bad and recognize that you enjoy yours. I personally just find it lack luster at it's price point. I like a nice looking scooter, but I'm not willing to give up so many areas of performance to have it. If the Pro carried a $3000 price tag, I'd have a lot more trouble putting up an argument against it.

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

​@@Patriot36 I was just having this conversation today - my brother has a Phantom as well, and it's just a creaking mess that loses like 20% of their 50psi every two days. I look after mine better, always tightening bolts, spraying white lithium grease on the suspension & hubs & stem joints, topping off the tires every day, etc... I've got 3200 kms on mine & I've never had a flat tire - but the tires are its weakest point. We're both considering upgrades, and we have to do our own soul searching for top speed & acceleration, but my priority for brakes has shifted - I don't want to touch non-regen brakes unless I need to. Dedicated regen is perfect for me as a primary. I don't want to wear down brake pads unless I need instant stopping. I use my hydraulics once every 10 rides or so except for a test stop. Everyone I spoke with who owns the Pro, tells me the drum brakes are a completely different experience when they're broken in. I also don't believe they can compete with hydraulics, but the maintenance-free approach is warranted. I rely on my hydraulics so little, I can't make the drum brakes a negative priority. No question, hydraulics are ideal - I'm like 200lbs so being a 300lb missile is not very drum brake'ish. I want to be able to fold the scooter up & lift it into my car if I want. I can handle lifting any of these, but heavier than that could be a problem. I know the real-world weight is heavier for some reason, but this is just to compare their *claimed* weights with each other. Phantom: 77lbs. Klima: 80lbs Pro: 93lbs. Burn-E2 Max: 103lbs Segway GT2: 115lbs Wolf King GT Pro: 115lbs The Klima seems to be, pound-for-pound, the best all-rounder....but the stuff I like about the Pro, I don't want to do without - dedicated regen, 12" tires, UL certification, vertical throttle lever, IP66 so it's safe in a downpour. But for $4k CDN, the Pro should have a wee bit better top end. I don't think scooters are safe at speeds over ~60km/h unless conditions are ideal, but that doesn't mean I don't want another 10km/h. My favorite scooter right now is the Nami Burn-E2 Max - but it needs to evolve. It hasn't changed enough in the last two years. It'll cost me $1500 more for the BurnE2 Max than the Pro. Lack of UL cert isn't a prob now, but it could be, on my landlord's whim. Still, though - 100km/h? Yes please! Safe or not, need or not, that's some serious performance! It's also the best looking by far. I find the Pro to look a little Stalin-esque, like tacky 1980s furniture. Too chunky.

[@ksrichi]

Is the cruise control update released?

[@theraid100]

Awesome review and about time AND the things you don't like are really a non issue IMHO. I do have one question for Apollo why do you have two scooters in your line up that go basically the same top speed ? so I do agree with Andrew it should go a little faster just to set it apart from the Phantom.

[@Lucem2]

For scooters in this price range (over $3,000), it would be reasonable to expect at least four dedicated buttons on the handlebar for selecting riding modes, Cruise, and so on. I'm referring to a mere $5 control pad here! The Pro comes with a high-end battery, but does it offer battery charging limits? Unfortunately, it does not. Does it provide information on Wattage output? Such data can be useful for diagnosing issues such as brakes friction, under-inflated tires, and more. One issue that seems to be prevalent in these KZbin reviews is a lack of critical analysis. It’s time to raise the bar, folks!

[@kelvintorres6871]

By any chance does anyone know if I can order PMT tires for the Apollo pro and which one? Thanks!

[@Rabbitoh72]

That guy on the trail, if he was any more to the right he would of been riding through the bush 😂

[@freshlycharged]

🤣😂 We were hoping that he was going to ride in the bush because we needed 10 feet of space to safely pass him. Totally kidding. We weren't recording our initial interaction. You are seeing the part once we were able to finally pass him. He was riding in the middle of the path for 300 feet and we kept politely trying to tell him we were on the left, but he couldn't hear us.

[@Walcingham509]

I love my Kaabo Mantis King GT but, the kick stand is lame; that one is better. I have had to fix a few things and the brakes are not that great as they need a lot of attention. My bicycles and ebike brakes never need anything but new pads on occassion. I had been thinking that disc brakes would be nice from a maintanance standpoint but I dont know..

[@harrison00xXx]

Disc brakes are fine. cheap cable ones on my old scooter, after 8000 km still the original brake pads since i use 99% e-brake. On my Vsett10+ on the other hand i need every 500-1500 km at least at the front new brake pads but beside brake pads nothing needed yet, i consume that much brake pads because i dont use e-brake on the Vsett (i dont want to fry my controller)

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

Anyone who's owned the Pro for at least 6 months have any comments on what their routine maintenance is? I've got 3500kms on my '23 Apollo Phantom & if I don't tighten several bolts every week or less, it ends up squeaking & creaking. The bolts holding the silver rings around the wheels always come loose, as well as the lug nuts that hold the axles on the scooter. Not to mention the handlebars. I top up the tires every day before I ride to ensure the 10", tubed tires are at 50psi. They'll lose about 6-8 psi daily, with a 195lb rider & often heavy knapsack. I have to spray the hubs, suspension and stem joint with White Lithium Grease every couple of weeks. All this is pretty easy, but I've been close to disaster a few times by not tightening every possible bolt I can reach once in a while. My Phantom's been reliable, but I doubt most people would be aware of the constant upkeep a healthy scooter requires. I'm expecting the Pro to be free of squeaks/creaks - I'd like to know if it does stay quiet, and if it doesn't, how easy is it to tighten or lubricate the sources of the noise? Anything coming loose? How would yours compare to, say, a Nami Klima or Burn-E2 Max? I also heard the drum brakes get sharper over time, is this true? I use dedicated regen brakes on my Phantom almost exclusively, but use the Nutt Hydraulics I installed on it rarely for emergency/instant stops. Are the drum brakes on the Pro good enough for emergency stops?

[@spiro5327]

Imagine what the price would be if it did have all the upgrades you wished for ?? Thanks 😢😊

[@fumetsu-950]

Very unrelated question to this video, but this is you guy's most recent video so i hope i get an answer. Between a dual 500watt and a single 1k watt scooter, which one would be better for me if im around 125-130 kg guy and i wanna hillclimb frequently? The place i live at is on a hill and right now i have a ninebot clone with 1x 500 watt motor and it cannot carry me up.

[@fumetsu-950]

And i was thinking on getting a G2 Max that has 1x 1000 watts, but i could find a dual 500 watt scooter probably for the same price as the g2 max if thats better for climing with heavy load

[@freshlycharged]

Dual motors are better for hilly areas.

[@Branden-o5f]

Im curious as to why Apolllo doesnt make a 60v scooter for their flagship, 52v is kind of underwhelming.

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

I think it was a weight thing. Not that they can't keep it < 100lbs with a 60v system, but I think they're holding back on top speed in favor of reliability/longevity. I contemplated the Nami Burn-E2 Max & I do respect 100km/h, I find on 11" tires, that's over the top. I would expect at least 80km/h, though. Not sure why the guys in this channel couldn't hit the top speed, I've always been able to get about 10km/h faster than top speed on mine, without using LUDO mode. LUDO isn't a big deal, but if you're riding with a lower battery (~30%), it comes in handy to give you the torque you need.

[@jakeanddar]

Nice Scooter! Hope you guys review Yume's Raptor. I was thinking of buying a Yume but not sure if their reputation or build quality is up their with some well known brands. Cheers!

[@Armed_And_Dangerous]

The sound is coming from the suspension You can spray a little bit of WD-40 on it

[@freshlycharged]

We wouldn't suggest using WD-40 on anything. It is a water displacement spray which will dry things out eventually and attract dust. Lithium grease is a much better choice. Apollo told us the noise actually comes from the part right next to the suspension.

[@Armed_And_Dangerous]

@@freshlycharged ok

[@Culky]

My main criticism is the lack of disc brakes, and I suspect they chose drums for aesthetic reasons

[@rumdumpster390]

As an owner, regen braking is strong enough for daily use. Recharging your battery slightly instead of wearing down your break pads. Drum brakes do fit the aesthetics, but they are also easier to maintain and last longer, and the fact that we are hardly using them makes it more user friendly.

[@Asghaad]

@@rumdumpster390 dont expect regen braking to "recharge" your battery ... yes it puts some of the energy back into the pack but that amount is MINISCULE ... and tehre is absolutely NO way drum brakes are "easier to maintain" over disc brakes ... you have to take off and apart the wheel to service drums... to service disc brakes you loosen few screws and replace pads without ever needing to touch the wheels themselves ... and lastly you do know that ANY escooter can use "regen braking" right ? its not some super advanced feature of this specific scooter and just about every single high end scooter does have the capability - i know mine does and i had to turn it way down because it was way too agressive in default

[@happyhusband312]

@@Asghaad but you don't need to service drum brakes at all. also good luck unwarping rotors. it's a terrible job. then you change pads, and fix sqeaking noises. on some scooters the engine cable is on the side of rotor, and you have to disassemble half of scooter. not any scooter has ebraking. some don't have it at all, or very weak. love Apollo has progressive ebrake, which is a dream come true - and noone else has it.

[@Asghaad]

@@happyhusband312 lol yeah you "dont need to service" brakes ... who needs to replace worn breakpads right , just grind them down to bare metal and let them fail right ? xD Meanwhile you can do breakpad change on disc brakes dozen times before you need to touch the rotors ... as for the brakes being at the same side as cabling thats just bad manufacturing ... my scooter has not only each brake on the opposite side of the cabling, it also has motor quick disconnects so you dont need to do any disassembly to take the whole motor off of the machine ... when it will be needed i can take off and replace both rotors in 10 minutes tops ... and lastly ill gladly live without progressive regen braking if i dont have to pay hyperscooter price for entry level basic product ...

[@happyhusband312]

@@Asghaad i'm talking about drum brakes, there are no pads. I have such scooters and they typically require zero maintenance during their lifetime. Driving disc brakes too, for almost a decade, and i replaced pads 0 times for the reason of being worn out. I did it only to decrease noise. Rotor maintenance and flat tire is way more frequent and super frustrating. The endless warping, and terrible noise. Forget 10 minutes, not going to happen, ever. You need to disassemble the wheel each time, and apply the correct torque when done, then recenter the pads. You're biased here, it's YOUR scooter that has correct cabling, it's YOUR scooter that has a plug. Most simply don't! I agree this one is expensive, but the City Pro is reasonable, and that lovely ebrake is something that must prevail in the market. Nothing better than an ebrake slowing down based on the lever pressure!

[@marksoprano007]

Which is better the Wolf GT PRO or this Appolo? and why?

[@SixOhFive]

The fact that Tesla doesn't make and sell scooters is luda

[@Wreevesjr]

I've had the Pro now for 2 months, and I also have that clicking noise. Would love to know what it is...

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

I think it's the Pro hanging up on your mother in law. They think of everything!

[@kteman]

Pro owner here. It is from the front fork. By removing the protective coverings from the side bolts and loosening them, apply lubricant inside the opening top back and middle on both sides, the sound will be gone. I found that out by just emailing Apollo. I’d assume they’d answer you too if you just asked them. Though, they shouldn’t have let this squeaky fork get through, they should have applied lube themselves, a couple rushed pieces similar to the back latch button which gets stuck with sand too.

[@GearWave]

what math do you do to figure out the charge time?? I could google it and find the answer. Just curious to how you calculate it so fast. Thanks for sharing. I have this scooter and commute with it everyday. Its a fun scooter. ENJOY!!!

[@freshlycharged]

We are happy to hear you are loving it. The math is done by taking the amp hours divided by the charge output. This scooter is a 30Ah battery divided by 4.5 amp output so it is 6.67 hours to charge from empty to full.

[@GearWave]

@@freshlycharged I love it... Thank you..

[@amandamelgar817]

Apollo Pro or YUME Predator, I want to speed and range, which one should I go for?

[@freshlycharged]

If it’s about range and speed, the YUME Predator is what you’re going to want.

[@rickroberts4848]

Noise, Is it wires or plugs jiggling in stem?

[@greenwave819]

I'd go with SegwayGT2 if I wanted a Lexus type scoot in this price/size range.

[@freshlycharged]

Why?

[@OhGawdHesGotAGun]

It's faster accelerating, but its top speed is almost the same, you can't ride the GT2 in the rain (IP54 is not rain safe) unless you want a smoldering battery, it's got smaller tires, won't fold up to be transported, and it's 25lbs heavier. Pro could be a bit faster, but it's still a 'scooter'. GT2 is MASSIVE, cumbersome & looks like a Tonka toy.

[@JulienChabanon]

This needs to cost half the price to be a good option!

[@aleXtreme_]

As an apollo city pro owner, I can tell that within 500 kilometers of use everything will start doing weird sounds. Eye quality is there but that's all about it

[@freshlycharged]

What other noises are you hearing?

[@aleXtreme_]

@@freshlycharged Front and rear wheel make noises as they rotate, like something rubs, seems internal. Stem is unstable as it doesn't secure at the folding mechanism 100% there is some noticeable play. Lastly, motors started making weird noise on acceleration, it's loud compared to first days.

[@jamescashmore1452]

​@@aleXtreme_ that scooter cost money and you ah e all thsose isseues wow , i just bought a new scooter 60v EVR , front fork hydraulic suspension , first day i go it the display screen was faulty would not switch back on after only turning on once, i got a replacement sent out as was a known fault was not sorted before seller sent it too me , then day 2 the suspension went loud AF just squeaking , now has rust not even 3 months old , one point i could not fold my scooter , i get water up my leg i the rain its rated ip66 but get me soaking wet ??? will buy a fender for it that actually works , apart from them issues and it not having launch mode like it first did and the tracking app not working , all is great with the scooter goes 55mph i paid 1400 pounds 2 years warranty

[@Antss73]

Pls review the kugoo m4

[@davidhunternyc1]

At 11:46: You: Calling 911... 911: "What is the emergency?" You: "My scooter was just stolen!" 911: 🤣

[@Astimar.]

This versus Segway GT2 ?

[@freshlycharged]

The Apollo Pro for the aesthetics, lighting, and regen braking. The GT2 for the acceleration, larger deck, transparent OLED display, and cockpit.

[@Asghaad]

@@freshlycharged and now something a bit harder - this or Teverun Fighter Supreme 11" as they are about the same price cattegory 😁

[@maickatienza3531]

Finally!.❤❤❤

[@Rezak877]

Titaone X10 is beast.

[@RANDOM-zc2bs]

Premium scooter with drum brakes 😮

[@Asghaad]

dont forget the rear solid suspension and tiny battery ...

[@Byftpup]

My one wish is not for a super fast scooter, I want longevity. so a big a battery is a dream.. I am worried about the brakes..but would I buy this.. Yes for the very reason it's designed for luxury..

[@CanukArgento]

52v 100 pounds and drum brakes .......$3500

[@Fishfood007]

I agree the cost of this is way too high. But with regen breaking and drum breaks it would be several thousand miles before you might need to replace them. I have a scooter with regen breaking and only use the hand break if I really need to stop fast or am going down a steep hill and need to stop I might use it some.

[@Krispy416]

For the price battery should have been 60v 35ah

[@yaksauce]

$3K for a scoot that requires pumping air into tires? Seems a shame for so much engineering to go into increasing longevity and durability, just to be defeated by pneumatic tires. But at least they’re ‘self-healing’. I’d love to see an offering of solid tires (forever tires) that came in variety of consistencies, like soft/med/firm that customers can customize.

[@AndersCaous]

I would like to see faster acceleration. Nami still makes the best scooters.

[@jamessink3736]

Except when the stems break and don’t do a recall.

[@AndersCaous]

@@jamessink3736 that goes for all manufacturers.

[@groesbeck]

my GT1 you guys reviewed a while back, costs $1,499 looks and runs fantastic, I can purchase 2 of them for this single Apollo…….NOT

[@Jaco000b]

GT1 is a total joke, seriously. You get what you paid for. With its shitty single motor, it's as big and heavy as a motorcycle, and it's hands down the slowest and has the worst performance compared to its competitors. And let's not even get started on its tiny battery...

[@groesbeck]

and the scooter YOU use on a daily basis is……….

[@skoolynugenator1802]

Crazy that a Onewheel GT-S is only a few hundred bucks less.

[@beerzerker8359]

It is certainly a really nice scooter, but for what you are paying, I feel like you should get a bit more. If the price was about $500 USD cheaper, it would certainly be a better value. At a regular price of $5000 Canadian pesos, I can definitely get a lot more scooter for my money from other brands.

[@QLaCarver]

Dem ninja’s over there at Apollo are trippin’! You can literally buy THREE Punk Rider Pros for the price of ONE Apollo Pro. And say what you will, but look at the overall value score on the Ultimate Scooter Comparison Tool; the numbers don’t lie…

[@ShouldaWaved]

Ide do without the Bluetooth speaker and just attach a minirig speaker

[@thomasmcmullen4523]

Anything that cost over a thousand dollars better be inclosed and have a heater and radio and be able to drive through water and be visible !

[@BlaineRush-b8h]

Okay boomer

[@UNKNOWN-un6nz]

thanks distance please?

[@matthewm7666]

About the same price as a NAMI Blast Max. Which to me looks like a much better scooter.

[@freshlycharged]

We think the Apollo Pro looks better but understand why some would like the NAMI Blast look.

[@ImmortalDuke]

Needs more smooth surfaces. Looks like dust collector

[@alexp9379]

The Pro cockpit looks like their entry level scooter. How is this a Lexus?!😆

[@kteman]

Sometimes simplicity is a good thing.

[@ecod7r]

premium at 31miles range on top speed? No, wake up me when this range is over 60miles. that could be possible with version 12.

[@Syncere20]

The Apollo Pro 52 volt battery and drum brake scooter is a Rip off. Its not worth the price. I bet it is going to be fun changing those old school brake shoes.

[@kevinkiprono6916]

Check the ristretto 512