Why “Free Speech Platforms” Fail (Twitch vs. Kick)

[@WiloPolis03]

I don't know how people still fall for the "this is a FREE SPEECH platform" gimmick, we should've already learned this lesson with 8chan

[@D_YellowMadness]

And 4chan.

[@HonkeyKongLive]

Whenever I see people like Adin Ross, Tate, or anyone in the "freedom of speech" crowd who seem to get boners for hate speech, I'm reminded that there's no way to tell the age of audiences online. I always get the feeling that the vast majority of the base for this type of content is lonely teenage boys in sheltered communities who are just looking for ways to feel cool and tough and like they have some battle they're fighting.

[@mattsterh7740]

Do you honestly think corporations/governments actually care about dumbasses saying the nword online? The whole hate speech laws are to control conversation and shut down people who exposes the bad shit they do. This is like the articles on the recent document leaks are all focused on the low level coastguard being a "racist" rather than important things like the government using special forces in a war that has not been approved by congress, a clear breach in the constitution.

[@joshuamonroy2779]

lol "freedom of speech"=hate speech. With people like you this world is going to shit.

[@randomuserame]

Quite literally this. Twitch Chat (and now Kick Chat) has the cognitive profile of a 14-19 year old suburban boy who is a socially inept/an outcast at school. it's the classic "i'm edgy and cool because I go against the grain and say things i shouldn't" stuff that used to stay on 4chan decades ago. The "W Community" which is mostly middle/upper-middle class teens with strong linguistic influences from hood-gangster "something to prove"/"chip on shoulder" personality types... is the bulk of the viewers. I am pro Freedom of Speech myself, but I am in the _adult_ end of the spectrum, where freedom of speech means that society just devolves into mob rule or autocracy without it, and while you do have the freedom to be an ass, you do not have the freedom to do so without consequence. And for that... i'm not a part of the crowd that says "freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom of consequence (except for me because i'm above consequence)," which is equally as cringe. Kick isn't actually pro-free speech per their ToS. Their ToS is actually more vague (meaning they can ban for mroe things because vague rules are easier to stretch). They just don't actually enforce it because they're trying to gain market share. The 95% split won't last either becauase as a gambling company that is now serving gambling ads/sponsorships to a primary audience of minors..... there's no way they don't get regulated into the ground at some point. TL;DR: Kick will not become a thing in its current form, because Kick is a company who's primary profit center is exploiting vices, _not_ a company that is genuinely interested in streaming gaming/other creative content. The only reason it exists is because a big streamer had a meltdown and threw a hissy fit over not being able to tacitly get his mostly-minor audience addicted to off-shore crypto gambling scott-free. The entire premise of Kick's existence is disingenuous at best, compared to what they "say" they exist for. Mixer had more of a leg to stand on than Kick will ever have.

[@x.0.x.]

that's 100% EXACTLY what it is

[@JoesGuy]

Your point?

[@Yukimaru0]

People forget that streaming platforms are for all intents and purposes a public space and although freedom of speech is a thing you don't go around in public being an asshole to random people for no reason. If you couldn't/wouldn't say something to someone's face irl it has no place in a stream that anyone can just drop into either.

[@kaila-denzenhughes4130]

Its kinda like those proud boys who got their asses kicked by drag queeen because they were hyping themselves to think that LGBTQ folks were just whiny teens who'd SH at the light bit of harassment. People forget the offline and online general body is incredibly different from one another since there's more danger from saying rude things to someone's face and no anomaly

[@NigraeLegiones]

Actually freedom of speech has nothing to do with anything here. Streaming platforms are private companies and can decide what they will and wont allow on their services. Plus another big factor that it seems like a majority of people forget and idk why "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." A Private company IS NOT the government or congress. Freedom of speech does not apply here nor will it ever.

[@andrewneal3594]

@@NigraeLegiones Though the issue often comes with said platforms constantly moving the goalposts, claiming to be private companies in some situations and "public platforms" in others, often for financial benefit. Twitter is a great example of this when it came to messing with American elections

[@NigraeLegiones]

@andrewneal3594 that's not moving the goalposts. They are a private company that has opened up their service to the public provided your follow the terms for using their service. This isn't a hard concept. Again this is ignoring the fact that they aren't a government agency. Freedom of speech does not apply here.

[@tank2749]

I would say that to someone’s face, if I didn’t lose my job. So if my job was kick I would say it all the time

[@elixir478]

Free Speech means you can say whatever you want but that doesn't mean that there are no consequences for what you say

[@kaila-denzenhughes4130]

Its like these people are walking up to some stranger, spitting in their face and saying "I'm gonna kill you" but not expecting to get punched or worse. Like my brother in christ, the ability to speak and act are supposed to be able to ensure you get a response. If the response you want is negative, why or surprise when someone reacts that way? Anywho Ross is a total tool who needs to reevaluate his life

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

​@@kaila-denzenhughes4130 Then they get upset when the person they spat at reacts in turn and then they cry: Oppression! Oppression! Theyre a crowd that can be summed up as: Rules for thee but not for me

[@KhayJayArt]

That's what these chuds are looking for: a place to act like bigoted degenerates without punishment

[@chaoticdusk1316]

Little louder for the people in the back. Being allowed to say what you want doesn't mean you're free from the consequences of saying it. I mean you have the full freedom to say you're going to b*mb a place or go out and commit some other horrid crime. But that doesn't mean you get to cry freedom of speech and oppression when the FBI shows up at your door for threatening public safety. Actions and by extension Words have consequences and words that actively spread misinformation that could harm others and words that are actively threatening others are things that should be punished.

[@übermensch_dadaista]

​@@elvingearmasterirma7241lmao you perfectly described intersectional feminists/wokes, thank you!

[@a-stranded-rusalka7534]

I am someone who does not really have that much interest in online situations, but your youtube channel popped up for me once regarding a creator I was aware of, and its still my KZbin Miracle. I have now gone and watched most of your videos and I like to keep up with what you post. Your professionalism and depth of research is really a breath of fresh air for the platform. So happy to have found this channel and your work.

[@JimmyRobins]

Thank you, I really appreciate the kind words

[@Dragonballzkia900352AJ]

@@JimmyRobins Same honestly!! I'm surprised youtube showed me your content, but im glad, since you come off really down-to-earth. It's interesting to watch your content! You really need more recognition, especially for the quality of the videos you put out!!

[@2centschange]

While you talk about people being socially conscious, there is also the idea of toxicity. Basically, if you get a rep for being uncool, or a place where losers/assholes hangout, then you run the risk of losing audience because no one wants to be associated. This is how places like myspace died. If Kick only attracts assholes and incels, then who wants it known that they watch kick?

[@übermensch_dadaista]

the fact is that "incel" is a misandrist, feminist buzzword used by wokes to attack any guy who disagree with their distorted views of reality. so, it will most probably the opposite: most normal guys will choose places like kick cause the mainstream flawed narrative will tell them to not do it.

[@D_YellowMadness]

Yeah, I've heard people offline say they use KZbin, Tiktok, Facebook, Twitter, or even MySpace, Tekzoned, & eHarmony back when those were more relevant but I've never heard anyone offline say they use 4chan, 8chan, or Kick for probably the same reasons I've never heard anyone offline say they watch My Hero Academia or Made in Abyss.

[@uhhhitszaide]

Awesome video, Jimmy! You're quickly becoming one of my favourite commentary channels.

[@RKC33]

Same honesty he jumps into things

[@PlayerZeroStart]

I remember hearing about another social media a long time ago (I forget what it's called unfortunately) that was basically the same concept as Kick but with Twitter instead of Twitch. From what I heard, that site just devolved into a cesspool of bigotry and generally harmful ideas. Because, huge surprise, the people who benefit most from sites like that are generally bigots who got banned for being a bigot. And when I heard about Kick, my mind immediately went back to that. The issue is people taking things in extremes. KZbin and Twitch have issues with over-moderation, where even relatively minor things (and even things that aren't your fault in the first place) get you demonetized and banned. The solution to that is not removing moderation entirely. There is a middle ground. Moderate the site to ensure people aren't using it to spread harmful ideas, without then also throwing people under the bus because they dare decide to swear in the first 15 seconds.

[@rickyhonablue236]

Parlor

[@seeminglyseph]

I really appreciate the practical ways you break down the platform wars.

[@dee.doubleyou]

great job Jim-boy, another banger! felt really relevant to what we see repeated over and over on the internet these days, the pendulum never stops swinging

[@Mf_CHIP]

9:15 Can you make video about how more and more people are ok with awful hate speech, because it's brave and for some reason we instantly view bravery/brave statements as a moraly good thing.

[@evolutiondl1492]

Can you define hate speech? Some people view the truth as hate speech. If I make a tweet that says "Elon Musk Is A Criminal", you might see that tweet as me just tweeting the truth, but Elon Musk himself can view that tweet as "hate speech". The main problem here is platforms like KZbin and Twitch don't apply their rules equally to everyone. If KZbin came out and said "You are not allowed to say those words and anybody who says those words would be banned, NO EXCEPTIONS" then the majority of the people would complain a lot less, because now they know what words they can't say and they know the rules will be applied to everyone but in reality that doesn't happen and that is what causes all this animosity.

[@WiloPolis03]

"Everyone hates me for holding this view, that must mean it's correct!"

[@Mf_CHIP]

@@WiloPolis03 ye pretty much this

[@ImTheGuy]

A lot of people confuse stupidity with bravery.

[@foam3132]

​@@ImTheGuy its VERY easy to

[@Maker0824]

I've never heard people talk about joining Kick in anyway other than as a joke for how they would never do it

[@attilamateilonka5579]

I love how the person who scam people and then gloat about said scam, says the non-binary people makes the world a shitty place 🙄

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

They know from experience. And they're right

[@QUEERVEEART]

right? like how are you gonna say people are making the word a bad place just by being themselves and existing? but he is ACTUALLY scamming people and even admitted it. how is that not making the world a bad place omg …

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@QUEERVEEART You are a literal liar.

[@JoesGuy]

I mean, he's not wrong on the latter.....

[@basiaasica5486]

Honestly, today is my b-day and I'm really happy you've posted a video, it literally made my day. I like having videos on in the background to drawing and i really enjoy urs. You made dissecting the topic interesting even though I wasn't that much invested in this Adin/Kick situation and how it'll turn out. Now, thanks to you, I understand the situation better! Good watch :))

[@liligwaa]

HAAPBPY BIRHDAY

[@basiaasica5486]

@@liligwaa Thank you!!!

[@JimmyRobins]

Happy birthday! And thank you for the kind words, I really appreciate them

[@basiaasica5486]

@@JimmyRobins thank you!! And you def deserve 'em, keep up the good work!! :D

[@brib6046]

Happy birthday! Yesterday was my baby brother’s sixteen birthday! I hope you are enjoying your special day and enjoy drawing a beautiful picture!

[@maryalicefike4704]

thanks for the video jimmy! been rewatching a lot of your content lately, keep up the good work 😊

[@garrettchandler1948]

Oh this whole time I thought kick was kik. I thought the old messaging app was now a streaming app

[@a_potat]

Sameeee😂 and i was like ik it was a cesspool but i didn't know they did streaming 😂 thank g for your comment 😂

[@rasmachris94]

As someone who's streamed to a few viewers here and there on twitch it's twofold. It's not just the 50-50 split [which is again reduced by tax, both american and wherever you live]. [You earn £100 is subs? You get £50, but that £50 is taxed at 7% in the US so you get 46.50. But then your country taxes it further, so it gets hit with 20% in the UK £37.20 actual pay.] So that's pretty bad, especially when you scale it up. But what's really atrocious is the lack of discoverability. On youtube you make content on a game? KZbin provides discoverability by connecting your content to threads of other content similar and recommends it. This means if you make decent content you can grow quick. I have a few vids on another channel with 17k views for example. On twitch you have to pray that you get recommended. It used to be based on viewer count so it was exceptionally hard, now middle tier streamers are promoted a bit more. Now the recommended stuff is based on viewership being 15 or higher. This means that to grow on twitch you have to make content offsite to funnel traffic to your page, artificially inflate your numbers with embedding a le Fextralife, bot followers/viewers or hope that every person that pops in sticks around after being hit with 6 30s ads. The ratio for consistent viewers by the way is 1:150 For every 150 followers you'll have 1 consistent viewer and whilst it's not a hard and fast rule you can check yourself on most of the popular streamers their current viewers to their follow count. It's always 1:100/1:150. So you get piss poor pay, paying tax in a country that you dont work in, have to make double the content both on platform and off to draw in viewers, have to watch yourself to not say anything riské and get cancelled or have a bad moment whilst doing this for hours a day, all year round. Or you can make content on youtube, stream for a few hours, chop the video up on youtube itself for shorts/highlights or leave it long form and it will bake its way into the algorithm to be picked up by anyone. And the people that see that will be trafficked into your stream. When the stream ends they'll be trafficked straight into your videos. Not to mention sponsorships and ads do not invade the video/streaming experience by interrupting the live content.

[@Nightcrawler6321]

I could listen to your voice for hours

[@sulimanthemagnificent4893]

One word "Monopoly" And especially in the techspace, it's even worse. Much like the Vanderbilt's came for the shipping industry, so too will someone come for this space.

[@JarfTaco]

Kick is basically to Twitch what Vimeo and Rumble are to KZbin: a backup website for when you keep getting banned off the main one. Because there’s NO way you chose to go to the alternative one first.

[@saudude2174]

it might just "Kick" twitch out of the top soon hehe

[@JujuInVR]

It is funny because the title could also say "The REAL Reason Kick Can't Save Adin Ross"

[@JimmyRobins]

I mean… I might use that as an alternate…

[@JujuInVR]

@@JimmyRobins 👀

[@queenofcookie3299]

Something right wingers seem to not understand “your rights end where someone else begin” these people act like they are the only people on the planet who have any rights at all and they should just be able to do what ever they want.

[@bluepinkman4488]

Kick and especially rumble are both growing at a rapid rate, I don't think they are doomed at all, kick has broke every user goal they set and rumble has been profitable from day one with them seeing massive growth. Still to early to call kick one way or another but rumble is definitely doing really well

[@NickTvucsf91734]

I don't know how Rumble is still alive today because it doesn't cut ANYTHING of what you earn!

[@NickTvucsf91734]

I don't know how Rumble is still alive today because it doesn't cut ANYTHING of what you earn!

[@dud324]

Kick seems solid but they gotta get some things in check for sure if they wanna be fully stable for the long haul

[@broseph_brostar]

another certified Jimmy banger

[@RisingRevengeance]

How did Kick get away with the superbowl thing anyway?

[@catnipwarrior]

"for the millionth time the first amendment protects you from the government not the justin"

[@britishboy2757]

jimmy's more informative than most news channels have ever been. Lookin at you PIERS

[@theroguerider]

It’s almost like networks have been dancing this line for decades… The issue is that to have staying power here you have to be VERY flexible as it’s still very much the Wild West.

[@JohnKrahenbuhl]

"I hope Adin Ross can get some help. He seems mentally unfit due to the pressure of his children audience. Just accept people for who they are and then just ignore them instead of creating little neo na... that can hurt people or kill people in the future". -Reggie

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

The absolute clownery on display with that statement is appalling

[@Jusuff]

​@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943how is that clownery?

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@Jusuff You fully well know

[@justaghostinthesea]

What's this from?

[@katiewren1507]

I was not ready for that ending 😂

[@zdelrod829]

Considering Kick had a Terms of Service link that linked to a user instead of their terms of service, it was a dumpsterfire from the word go.

[@jlshootingstar333]

The Sub Urban song gets me every time like I can't believe you can use that song lol

[@MegamanElric16]

Kick had another controversy where a group of streamers secretly filmed a sex worker without her consent. Yeah, that site's dead in the water.

[@protennis365]

Yet, Kick is making Revenue, budget their site, and growing. While Twitch is laying off people and has peak on growth.

[@hesitatenothing]

She knew she was filmed before the stream and stole money from a guy basically. Please SJW go away from internet plz fall with twitch.

[@WilliamAfton-n7d]

@@hesitatenothing using the term sjw in the year of our lord 2024?

[@veenaynay6578]

Trainwreck looks stressed man 😂😂😂😂😭

[@Jusuff]

He looks like a trainwreck

[@VBSFan]

For the hogwarts legacy, the trans community most people who were against the game were twitter freaks, not the whole community

[@elixir478]

One of the loudest minorities of terminally online people

[@alderoth01]

I don't watch any of the creators you talked about lol. I know of them, but luckily I missed those boats lol. I do watch you though lol.

[@leyrua]

Elon Musk suing his advertisers for leaving feels about as dumb as a restaurant owner suing passerby for not entering his crappy restaurant.

[@RKC33]

Hey Jimmy I love your deep dives into creators but I feel like every time you make a video something new happens LMAO it’s just funny to me that the Boyinaband video and the Gus Johnson video is the only creator without something that gets worse after

[@elisa_740]

why, what happened about kick after this video was uploaded?

[@loafofbeans8291]

honestly i think aiden ross’s haircut should be a Tos violation in itself

[@casusbelli9225]

0:34 It's not valuable, it's costly

[@lukassjogren7910]

People crying about free speech on social media platforms is weird to me. You didnt check their TOS? The TOS you have to agree with to use the platform and if you dont follow their guidelines they have every right to ban you? Idk i feel that might be something to think about before posting

[@russellmania5349]

This is why people are turning to free speech platforms. We didn't have sites like bitchute, Rumble, or Kick until youtube started censoring. Their was a huge demand for free speech platforms and so people built free speech platforms to escape fascist Tube.

[@thedestoyer4550]

Look im not picking sides at all but when he asked about can guys get "used" can we just put him in jail and see his thoughts after idk maybe a week with no cameras?

[@dylandreisbach1986]

The people who say rules are bad are rulebreakers. That can mean many things, but its usually not a good thing since a majority of rules are here because someone did something bad or wrong.

[@JoesGuy]

So you condemn the actions of BLM and ANTIFA? Bold move.

[@user-pk8bb6lf9b]

Love the videos! Keep up the great work!

[@katarinajensen6757]

Howard's was a great game and aiden is in his full right to say whatever he wants. So can you, let's keep it that way or expect no sympathy when tides turn.

[@DestinyKiller]

I love how the biggest free speech advocates are all for it. Until you have an opinion they don't like. I've seen so many people be all "I'm unsubscribing because you said bad things about my politics" Which, fine, their right to unsub if they don't find they agree with a creator. But to be so offended about it is just hilarious

[@WilliamAfton-n7d]

Can't wait till the bubble bursts ngl. The grifting and reactionary content is much newer and I'm ever so hopefull it passes fast. I mean with half the key grifters going through lawsuites rn it feels much less sustainable. Firstly we just need to make sure the grifter president doesn't come in and start trying to pardon himself and others and we'll be set

[@Arkane_HC]

All streamers die. It's just a matter of time.

[@sleepybearuwu]

10:33 Doesn't help either that a lot of streamers was bullied and harassed over

[@thebrodycollins]

I don't think its ok to justify people's harassment for playing a video game let alone doxxing because people don't like the royalty owners politics.

[@yogurt2865]

Most people weren't harassing or doxxing streamers nor justifying it (some were I'm sure but that was the really annoyingly loud minority) The main point was that if you truly support trans people then you shouldn't play a game that will directly fund someone who utterly despises them.

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@yogurt2865 No one should support mental illness, and they did in fact support and justify Harrassment, shitlib

[@Mf_CHIP]

​@@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943 here we go another "trans people are mentally ill" dude, who say stuff like that because he's favoirte redpiller said so

[@thehonorablereverendaddiso1943]

@@Mf_CHIP I say it because it is the truth, that anyone with a functioning brain can see.

[@emoanimeboy2173]

Anyone know the name of the song he uses in his intro?

[@emperorevilk1ng]

there aint freedom of speech there either, people still get banned, there will always be rules.

[@CamTheWarlock]

I keep seeing ads for Rumble on KZbin, and they always felt off in how much they advertised their free speech. Then I looked them up and realized they were overrun with Nazis lmao

[@__-nd5qi]

Kick is better than twitch Because I don’t have to sit through five hours of ads to see gameplay

[@MysticLGD]

yep

[@commandercorl1544]

I'm glad you touch on this sorta' stuff, so many people don't get that free speech is different from freedom of action or consequence.

[@JoesGuy]

Another moron spouting that inane talking point. I always ask you fools the same question - What are the consequences of saying something you find offensive?

[@cease1337]

What are you even saying??? in this world you can say WHATEVER YOU WANT. if you get ur feelings hurt then that's YOUR problem. KEEP IT MOVING if you don't like what you hearing. you cant MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD HAPPY!

[@lebby-d1n]

@@cease1337😭baddie…you can say whatever you want but depending on what you say there may be consequences to those actions

[@youropinionisinspired9954]

this is an ok video but you madee 1 masive mistake. talking about HL. as a trans person I can tell you we didn't give a frick about it. we didnt complain, we didnt talk about it, we didn't care. It was only when people wanted to use us to harass others that we talked about it and, it was to tell others to stop talking on our behalf becasue they were just putting targets on our back and making buzz about a game that should have fizzled out after a few days. and what happened? more hatred of us than ever and the game did numbers because people used us as victims. so adding in that detail doesn't work becasue its not right and only strengthens the harassers because more people will believe the lie

[@cease1337]

Keep deleting my comments, proving me right

[@hesitatenothing]

Plz all nontent boring twitch streamers and viewers go away from internet and fall with twitch. Most ppl don't watch twitch cuz of your boring Nontent irl streamers there, they watch it for wow, cs or other competition games.

[@Dragonballzkia900352AJ]

I honestly...Don't understand the pronoun argument. If somebody wants to be called something else, it shouldnt matter at all. It's THEIR choice and it's only words. I'd rather make them more comfortable and happy instead of "be angry that they dont believe what I believe" This world...is getting terrifying to live in. I fear for mine and my boyfriend's future in all honesty. I plan on striving to live in the country without neighbors and what not, because that just feels a lot safer than being in a city where something awful could potentially happen. I honestly wish I could go off the grid, but I can't, due to my asthma needing medicated with inhalers and a nebulizer - and needing my anxiety medicine. I just wish people could understand that you dont have to agree with everything somebody else does, but just go on with your day. It's not worth it. Honestly, if I have any future kids, I would be determined to homeschool them and make sure they are fed the bullshit from people like Adin Ross. People like him are the prime reason the world has been getting more and more dangerous and scary over the years.

[@zosazsatara5889]

Kick has pedophiles on there they have a guy who had sex in front of some kid where they suspended him, then soon after he proposed to a 15 year old girl and got arrested, there's also some guy who's in his 30s who was dating a 17-18 year old and was doing some weird stuff with her on his Livestream.

[@protennis365]

That is about every social media site. What Kick did was made it easy to catch them. While Twitch staff do sexual favor to female twitch streamer and explode female streamers.

[@saudude2174]

youtube has had the biggest number of pedos who groomed children so far and they all were left-leaning, pink-haired and all LGBTHDTV supportive personas "loved" by this "beatiful" community

[@protennis365]

This video age like milk. Jimmy does not know what he is talking about and has never work in a tech company. Kick has started to grow, and know how to budget their site without advertisement, even with transphobic and anti-vaccine content. Yet still has million of dollar to purchase streamer from Twitch. While Twitch is still playing it safe by banning right wing extremist content, has premium ads from big corporation, even a lot of big tech company backing them, yet still over spend and had to lay off staff this week because no one know how to manage. This all come down to good management. Even KiwiFarms is still profiting millions from Bitcoin and other crypto along if Jimmy Google EXTREMIST CRYPTO AND FINANCE: Q1 2023 BRIEFING he would be surprise how much KiwiFarms is making without advertisement, and no bank at all.

[@saudude2174]

yeah, i stumbled upon this video just now and im amused at how silly it sounds at this point. Kick is growing like crazy and they pose as serious competition for twitch right now. It's good to know people still fight for freedom of speech out there in numbers large enough to attract wealthy people to start such businesses. Well that and twitch is hella greedy.

[@WilliamAfton-n7d]

It has a very low celling still. As the pockets putting foward the content can only be so deep

[@brandanjohnson]

I stream and post content to adult websites because I feel that they have more "free speech" then mainstream places like KZbin and twitch. Mostly as long as it's not illegal and overly disgusting almost anything is allowed. At the moment I do not see kick as any different then the adult site I stream to and since safe for work content may be more expected it may be a place for me to stream that content. With some loose guidelines kick could easily become like rumble and succeed with letting people speak what they think. Sunlight is the best disinfectant as they say so it is good that the ideals you find evil have a place to be seen and to then be discussed.

[@evolutiondl1492]

"Free Speech Platforms"? Which platforms would that be? KZbin, Facebook, and Twitter these popular social media sites used to be a Free Speech Platform when they 1st started and look how popular they became. So that title is automatically incorrect, but let's play your game and pick the new platforms like Kick and Rumble. Those 2 platforms have seen a huge increase in their profits in the last year. Rumble, I have seen videos that have reached 6 figures in views. That is huge for a platform that isn't part of the mainstream. I can't see Rumble disappearing. Besides, it was never expected for platforms like Rumble to overtake their competition in 1 day. It took KZbin YEARS to become what it has become. So the same is expected for Rumble and Kick. If I'm being optimistic I'm expecting Rumble to be a serious competition in 5-10 years. You said that those platforms need to appeal to advertisers, if they do that, then how are they any different from KZbin and Twitch?? Kick will just become Twitch 2.0. You might as well just stay on Twitch. If your biggest source of revenue comes from your customers instead of advertisers, it gives you more control and that is much better. If advertisers become your biggest source of income then you are just a slave to the advertisers, not sure how that can be seen as positive. You're basically working with a gun to your head.

[@ct5625]

"KZbin, Facebook, and Twitter these popular social media sites used to be a Free Speech Platform when they 1st started and look how popular they became." You probably don't realize it but you've just listed the most popular sites in the world and shown that moderation has made them what they are, while all the "free speech" platforms (and by which you actually mean hell holes of violence, hatred, ignorance and stupidity) are still basically nothing more than slums no one wants to visit. And I shouldn't have to point this out, but US law is irrelevant in the UK, Australia, Canada, EU... Your convoluted notions of the "First Amendment" have absolutely no bearing outside of your own borders, which is why none of your "free speech absolutist" platforms will ever overtake the globally available online platforms complying with reasonable laws outside of the US.

[@WiloPolis03]

I don't think this video is an endorsement of Kick lol

[@evolutiondl1492]

​@@ct5625 Can you show proof that moderation is what made them what they are? If what you say is true, then why are people always complaining about those platforms. Why is everyone trying to look for alternatives? Back in the 2000s no one was looking for alternatives. People were fune with just using KZbin You didn't disprove what I said all you did is make assumptions and fake accusations you cant even prove.

[@evolutiondl1492]

​@@WiloPolis03 I have no idea why you are saying that. I never implied that this video is an endorsement of Kick.

[@WiloPolis03]

@@evolutiondl1492 I guess I misread? I'm really not sure what your point is in relation to this video

[@hashibelel5389]

you can argue that despite twitch being advertiser friendly on paper, if you actually looked into the faces of twitch rn and their communties. youll see they are just as hateful, except its under the guise of social justice. believe me, society is catching up and seeing through the bs and eventually advertisers wont be so scared of backlash, which will conveniently be around the time you start to switch your entire narritive. cos people like you dont care about the context or the truth, cos this topic is way more complex.

[@LordOdio]

Shush child

[@judemaij5316]

Okay thanks for nothing

[@bossyoyo5084]

Great video, however imma dislike it for no reason else but just to make it 69 dislikes, its too tempting to not do.

[@LonelySA]

My pronouns are idc and who asked

[@Layarion]

bro idk that i trust someone thinks pewdiepie destroyed anything, because that already tells me you watch fake news.

[@randomuserame]

"Harmful" is subjective, and using this narration over top the Ben Shapiro video clip and the snippet of that video title is... just outright manipulative. Joe Rogan's treatment regimen has long since been found to be effective for many people, while the "government supported" medicines have proven to have little to no effect for most people (most people were never in critical condition and were not at serious risk of going into critical condition). Further, Rogan's support for a human-grade treatment, does not make him at-fault for people erroneously pursuing the large-animal-grade version, OR for seeking to self-administer a complex treatment plan without the supervision or approval of a trained and licensed healthcare professional. Careful.... using editing tricks to subliminally convey your political and social slants.... while perfectly within your right, does paint you as manipulative, untrustworthy, and having low journalistic integrity in the construction of this argument. Even though you are not a journalist.... these sorts of tactics are CNN-levels of "obviously biased but we just don't say the quiet part out loud because we want plausible deniability". People aren't that stupid and you shouldn't base your content around sleights like this. If you have a point, let it stand on it's own without using it to essentially slander others, impugn their character, or "poison the well" to "discredit via character assassination" instead of actually challenging the ideas directly. Having just watched your Illuminaughty video, i'm disappointed to see some parallels drawn between you two.

[@bentayga2409]

wrong 😂