Dugtrio ISN'T Banned in Gen 3 OU. But Why?

Pokemon Gen 3 Competitive Singles is my favourite format. Despite being banworthy in every single other Generation of OU, Arena Trap is fully legal in Gen 3. While in Later Gens Dugtrio is centralizing and can trap important targets very safely and reliably, Dugtrio is a manageable presence in Gen 3 that struggles to get in safely and also sacrifices momentum when it Locks into a move to trap something.
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[@Aoi_Tori_]

Iron Brian definitely needs our help to reach Paldea quickly and safely with his middling 77 base speed

[@jayanths1221]

Middling? More like mediocre.

[@Feroror]

@@jayanths1221Mediocre? More like Bad

[@relo999]

@@Feroror Bad? More like Abysmal

[@filipantic5801]

Ahh i see his place in trick room teams already

[@h2o684]

Bad? More like unusable

[@chilitofu3512]

imagine if dugtrio got renamed to "dugdugdug"

[@anusthing]

Honestly with dudunsparce, this is a possible evolution lol

[@noysam3570]

or diglettdiglettdiglett

[@hanswurst9120]

And Diglett to Doug?

[@Royyy13]

I like Dugcubed

[@BlazeSLK]

@@Royyy13me too. 1³ is the same as 1x3 anyway so it works!

[@jonfro-mez]

I always find it funny when I trap their skarm with magneton then my magneton is trapped by dug, then my porygon2 traps their dug. Just a chain of carnage.

[@Imitationist]

Have you tried the same team but with Hariyama over Mag?

[@SkorpTS]

Without Dugtrio, the meta would probably be DDTar and Heracross spam. Not to mention Blissey would become even harder to deal with. Wouldn't be nearly as varied.

[@Victini0510]

Very similar to Snorlax in GSC. It's the lynchpin that holds the meta together

[@DoctorThundah]

Came for the gen 3 ou analysis, stayed for Iron Brian and Great Neck

[@mastervolg8768]

Arena trap is also legal in Gen 8 LC and although Diglett is one of the best mons there, it is not alone and faces competition from Trapinch.

[@arthurrezende4943]

Until the tera nation attacked... yikes

[@christopherdangelo1292]

Tbh I think it was also the fact it got sd

[@christopherdangelo1292]

Because I doubt tera alone would have done it without it not just being an efficient trapper, but it also actually threatening a sweep with, say, tera dark sucker punch

[@Fernes2171]

It's sad how Iron Brian is at least getting some recognition, yet everyone's just forgotten about the future paradox form of Dachsbun, Iron Breads

[@tomgorey9294]

And it's past form, big wheat

[@bg8561]

Iron Breads? No... It's *Iron Buns* !!

[@honjon666]

@@tomgorey9294 sourdogh

[@frogwhisperer4268]

Dugtrio is also legal in Gen 4 UU :) Although I think it's possible that it could get banned if Gen 4 UU was more developed.

[@BladeRabbit]

Arena trap got banned in DPP after the format ended, its just they lock tiers/dont update the smogon sets. But yes for a time Dugtrio was UU with arena trap.

[@tyler4965]

@@BladeRabbit arena trap is still legal in uu I believe

[@frogwhisperer4268]

@@BladeRabbit Nah Arena trap is banned in OU but not UU. Google "DPP Arena Trap (Dugtrio) [Arena Trap is banned]" and go to post #13

[@geometryemperor]

@@tyler4965 so is Sand Veil by the way. They are only banned from OU. Because of this, Dugtrio is unusable in OU, but can be used in UU.

[@kirbymontrey3897]

Wait arena trap is legal in gen4 uu? Wtf

[@Zaglik]

Another factor is that team preview tells you exactly who you need Dugtrio for, so it's easier to use.

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

What team preview? Is that feature in Showdown?

[@shadowdraqon2479]

You really don’t know what team preview is?

[@thechronocrator]

@@alejandrop.s.3942 Team Preview is when you get to see the opponent's team at the start and pick your lead. Not a feature until Gen 5! Not a Showdown invention.

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

@@thechronocrator I see, I only played till gen 4. Thanks for answering.

[@bharatgoel8809]

I'd argue that team preview makes dug worse, since opponents will always be wary of its presence and can play smartly. This is pretty much exactly why team preview destroyed zoroark

[@honjon666]

I really dug this video on our favorite area trapper's balanced role in ADV

[@peet-janissen5838]

i don't get it

[@Boamere]

I need more gen 3 OU lore

[@japethspeaketh7034]

Tyranitar: AAAHH!!!! WHY AREN'T YOU BANNED?? Dugtrio: **traps Tyranitar and Earthquakes it** Tyranitar: NOOOOOOO!!!!!

[@DkKobaADV]

Ban dugtrio. - this message brought to you by the Ttar and Metagross gang

[@tomgorey9294]

Tar takes a band eq from full

[@DkKobaADV]

@@tomgorey9294 only if bulk invested 252 Atk Choice Band Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tyranitar: 328-386 (95.9 - 112.8%) -- 75% chance to OHKO Also less than half the time after a spike with bulk (Also weird you assume the person with ADV in their username doesn't know this :p)

[@Sonicfan640]

Surprised you didn't mention Explosion as a gen 3 pivot move. It definitely does enough chip damage to allow Dugtrio to KO.

[@sideways5153]

That’s such a hard commitment that I think everything said about Baton Pass applies to Explosion/Selfdestruct as well

[@Imitationist]

Ghost Types are also common in gen 3, most common being Gengar who only takes damage from Sand, Burn and direct attacks. Gengar also packs WoW to neuter physical attackers.

[@Sonicfan640]

@@Imitationist pretty sure Gengar is the only common ghost type in Gen 3 singles. And as common as it is, a lot of Metagross and Claydol sets still choose to run Explosion anyway. I wouldn't have mentioned Explosion if it wasn't a commonly used move.

[@leonardobarbosatelles2779]

I’ve theorized that former OU king Tyranitar, has made it’s way to the RU tier, only to defeat controversial Pokémon Iron Mugulis and it’s crew. Tyranitar’s typing makes it good against Iron Fellow and Spidops, and the SpDef boost it gets allows it to fair well against Mugulis. With a simple moveset of Rock Blast, Crunch, Earthquake and protect, it can defeat all 3, leaving only Garganacl and Old Money, which Iron Brian can go up against, to help our altruistic hero. Let’s hope Tyranitar and Iron Brian can end these menaces once and for all

[@GrizlyWizard]

Another big addition for Dugtrio in gen 4 - life orb. It got to keep similar power while not getting locked into earthquake.

[@Seekmire]

I like how Jimothy’s accent makes Iron and Brian kinda rhyme. It satisfies my smooth American brain.

[@moyai5317]

Dugtrio when theres a superman team: 💀

[@mrmangbro6842]

Youve single handedly made me have a love for gen 3 ou

[@imagorll]

Love the gen 3 ou analysis. Really highlighted its differeneces from future metas and the explanations were quite thorough but also concise. Really like your vids!

[@ChibiRuah]

I think kind of shows that in the right context, even very op abilities can be healthy for the game. It seems that area trap is only op because the ability to switch got easier along with with dugtrio getting slightly bette. If switching moves never happen, area trap may be not oppressive, though I agree that be less fun for the game.

[@sideways5153]

Kinda interesting how buffing both entry hazards and pivot moves didn’t cancel out, and actually escalated the overall power level of the format in a lot of ways. Like, the intended counterplay to volt switch/u-turn was clearly supposed to be toxic spikes or stealth rock, but the two things kinda just ran parallel to each other and caused significant power creep. Less slap-fighting, more deciding games based on cutting-edge team building. Mixed attacking sets fading away and the rise of weather/terrain/etc centric teams are probably a consequence of power creep making less efficient/streamlined teams less viable

[@Dankfort]

Thanks for getting it right. Too many people say it was gen 6 first, when it was gen 7 as you said

[@slowpr0]

Your videos have been recommended to me recently. I've never really played gen3 ou but that's about to change! Nice content

[@tysondennis1016]

Dugtrio gets checked by any Flying type and Porygon2.

[@Adrian-ck2ns]

Love the content man keep it up!

[@lupuszero9879]

Ngl I thought that in later gens ghost types in general are immune to trapping, like not just shadow tag, but also arena trap. I guess not. Great video, this really shows how many big changes were introduced across generations.

[@jimothycool]

Ghosts are also immune to Arena Trap, most of Dugs targets aren't Ghosts though

[@dispentryporter8621]

They are immune to Arena Trap and all other forms of trapping, not just Shadow Tag.

[@lupuszero9879]

@@jimothycool Aaaah I see, that makes sense, thanks for clearing it up

[@videakias3000]

thank you for making this video. I was wondering the same.

[@Tylericous]

Legit one of the best Pokémon videos, this was super entertaining hit also informative

[@moratgurgeh]

If Jim had simply switched Milo straight into Charizard at 8:30, Jim would have not been able to eliminate Jim’s Blissey so easily. An amateur error by Jim who has a long way to go before reaching Jim’s level.

[@hypernova366]

I'm glad jimothy made these over 10 minutes it makes me very happy to see him get some fat stacks

[@calamorta]

This channel is such a gem for gen 3 enjoyers.

[@nurrr897]

Decided to subscribe in support of Iron Brian. Haven't kept up with pokemon since the 3ds but I'm enjoying your videos enough to consider getting back into it

[@volzuloof]

I hope that Iron Brian will be a valuable asset against any future iron mugulis activity. It is good we have someone who knows how a future paradox thinks and acts.

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Loving all the gen 3 videos!

[@georgejackson1515]

Hey thanks for making gen 3 vids like this, it’s like a way more fun chess

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These Gen 3 vids make me want to get back into playing it since I dropped after Gen 9 came out.

[@projectxspectre]

Stickerbrush Symphony is such a beautiful song

[@matthewcampbell1241]

you make the best competitive pokemon content hands down no contest thank you

[@ctv186]

Welcome to the team, Iron Brian!

[@MelonSeedOfficial]

This first time I heard the new paradox coballion name and was genuinely terrified that they called it Brian for a second

[@shanebarnes606]

Dugtrio is such an interesting Pokemon! I didn't know about its role in the metagame

[@livingthemcdream]

Ngl this gen 3 content is really makin me consider that subscribe button

[@ThatGuyThai]

As an old head I have no idea what all the extra fluff for the iron stuff is but seems the youngins enjoy it lol

[@NRF3703]

I think because there are enough Pokemon in OU with the Flying type and or Levitate ability as well as the fact that Dugtrio cannot stat boost or do cheap moves like Wobbuffett.

[@lyingcorn]

Why are Iron Brian's stats odd? Is he secretly a past paradox form!

[@dannyorrmedia]

I've been using KZbin since 2005 and yours are literally the only videos I've ever 'liked'. The ongoing Iron Mugulis saga is genuinely the funniest thing to me.

[@tecul1]

i wonder sometimes

[@91Caesar]

Can you make a video about your preferred colours for different types of balloons?

[@9bit927]

Enjoying all this gen 3 ou content

[@gtothee5723]

Please keep the Gen 3 content coming! I never have played one competitive game of Pokémon but I love Gen 3!!!!!

[@Koraidon576]

For those wondering, Iron Brians stats are Necrozma-dusk manes

[@zacherytaylor]

I've learned more about Gen 3 OU in the last 3 days than I have in my entire life

[@theimprovedbore550]

The Spirit of Great Tusk (Peace Be Upon Him) lives on in Iron Brian.

[@duelme1234]

Dug facilitates stally teams? Isnt one of the main styles facilitated by dig special offensive?

[@tomgorey9294]

In modern gens dug facilitates stall

[@duelme1234]

​@tomgorey9294 8:03 . Yes I'm aware that it does that in modern gens, but that's not what jim is saying at all here. also in bkc's video on the same topic months back, most of it covered how dug relates to offensive progress.

[@rkovacs4190]

Can u cover some gen3 random battles strategies/pokemon variants?

[@saltlakeatrocity9771]

I realized i was a pokenerd when I recognized Iron Brian's base stats as literally Dusk Mane Necrozma's base stats to the tee. I wonder if that has lore implications.

[@lulu82o]

Iron Brian and Great Neck are joining the lore!!!

[@mariosain6236]

Whatching your videos for the content. 🙂 Whatching your videos for the Iron Mugulis lore. 😎

[@doopness785]

Anyone who says arena trap is the issue is crazy. Let’s see them win with Trapinch.

[@bloodyacidtears1433]

Ngl was kinda caught off guard when I heard my name at 1:03 LMAO

[@epicdude8742]

Iron Brian has yet to earn my trust, I've never found anyone that boring to be morally scrupulous.

[@Disguised_Cat]

Iron Brian, my beloved. I'll make sure you make it here safelt.

[@alejandrop.s.3942]

I think if Dugtrio is paired with a mon that has previously either cause some serious damage to the mon that Dugtrio needs to defeat but it can't OHKO by itself before being killed, or that it has performed some form of sacrificial move to dent the enemy's stats (memento, screech, tail whip...) it's a real deal (pure-clear body users tho) . Magneton and Dugtrio together are fearsome. But by itself it's not broken, at least not in gen3.

[@ZorryCafe]

iron brian needs our help!! (real o_O)

[@brett1908]

Interesting video

[@dinoman6481]

10:40 Skyhops patreon is a threat!!! His favorite Pokémon is Iron Mugulis!!!

[@ernestomoreno4409]

Trapping abilities are awesome. I'm not a fan of banning them. I've lost to them but that's part of the fun.

[@monkdonk4095]

JIMOTHY COOL YOU FOUL!!!! BY MAKING A DUGTRIO VIDEO,YOU ALLOWED DUGTRIO TO ARENA TRAP IRON BRIAN AND LET IRON MUGULIUS COMMIT ITS WAR CRIMES!!! YOU DOOMED US ALL

[@grunkleg.3110]

BRIAN, LOOK OUT!

[@Boamere]

Honestly jim I think you should sing your outro

[@toolofthelord]

you make me want to play gen 3 ou now

[@A3STH3T1CS]

Iron Brian will surely be helpful with it's wonderful typing against iron mugulis and his gang

[@THTB614]

So basically, Dugtrio became a problem when Stealth Rock got introduced.

[@jouheikisaragi6075]

More proof Stealth Rock was a mistake

[@algar6616]

Brian an upstanding gent frfr

[@Harry-mf6rq]

It's all fun and games until Iron Dugulis turns up

[@haveatyouvillain1033]

don’t forget ghost types are immune to trapping too

[@santasangre996]

dugtrio is the kinda mon you hate to play against but hate even more to use yourself

[@elmago2808]

So Iron Mugulis' stats are that of Primal Kyogre, Great Neck's are Zekrom's and Iron Brian's are Dusk Mane Necrozma's

[@DeckKnight]

As a fellow Brian, I can get behind Iron Brian.

[@cartervoltfire4933]

I always wondered why Dugtrio (and to a lesser extent Magneton) didn't have a Duo form

[@hessiankyojin]

Skarmory's best friend in ADV OU

[@jacobmorris6357]

I wouldn't mind arena trap in gen 8 OU, anything to get rid of clefable

[@autobotstarscream765]

Unfortunately, the Clefable Trainer would also have Dugtrio to trap and kill your Dugtrio to clear the way for their Clefable to filibuster the battle.

[@jacobmorris6357]

@@autobotstarscream765 I guess so. Once I tried mean look Bisharp to get rid of it, but after I put it on the team, I didn't find a single clefable for 5 matches.

[@autobotstarscream765]

@@jacobmorris6357 Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Clefable Trainer would use Dug to hunt down and trap your Bisharp.

[@thomasadams8463]

Keep up these adv videos

[@PWNAGE703]

Iron mugulous is gonna be so broken can’t wait for vgc debut

[@ultimapower6950]

1:00 isn’t that in the distortion world why would Brian want to go there?

[@tyler4965]

another banger

[@chess_fella]

Dugtrio moment

[@jotarokujo8344]

It's amazing that dugtrio turned from being OU in gen 3 to NU in later generations

[@DisastrousIntentionally]

Cause Arena Trap got banned.

[@feelsokayman5656]

Great neck Lmao

[@jazzisfrommars2476]

Isn't teleport also a pivot move in Gen 3 or does it just automatically fail? Serebii says it switches in trainer battles

[@gefadsfrrewdgfbt5811]

iirc teleport goes last

[@jazzisfrommars2476]

@@gefadsfrrewdgfbt5811 Is that also true in Gen 3? I thought that was a later change but let me check after this real quick lol. That being said even if that is the case, that isn't necessarily a detriment, that's part of why Teleport was so busted in Gen 8 I think. The slow pivot is hella useful for the mon who switches in. I would think if it works at all in PvP then it counts, but if it has the negative priority then it's straight up better than Volt/Turn would be if it was in Gen 3. But I don't ladder Gen 3 so I'm not gonna pretend like my guess is super educated.

[@jazzisfrommars2476]

But I see, Teleport does nothing in Gen 3, ah well

[@yungmuney5903]

Would arena trap still be banned if it worked only one time like Intrepid sword?

[@globalistgamer6418]

Mostly likely yes. In later gens Dugtrio usually only was used to kill one mon on the opposing team and often already used single-use items (Focus Sash, Z Crystal) to achieve that. What made it OP wasn't getting multiple kills but being able to pick and remove one pivotal mon that the opponent can't win the subsequent match-up without.

[@_Majunior]

I don't play competitive Pokemon but I love videos like this. I like seeing competitive aspects in games I don't personally play, very interesting.

[@Neverleterlun]

Great Neck will save us from Iron Mugulis. Thats why Arceus made him and Iron Brian.

[@DugtrioGaming]

Dugtrio is Love, Dugtrio is Life

[@t_bone_4]

Dogtrio lol

[@B1ngusD1ngus]

I'm shocked that this video wasn't about tyranitar. It seems like it was ahead of its time in this gen. It's legitimately format defining and for a lot of people that is the definition of something bannable.

[@dastardlydwarf6909]

Get dugged

[@mayac69]

Superman teams: "Pathetic"