Competitive Pokemon's Weirdest Bans.

[@jimothycool]

jimothycool.com Horse Council merch available until end of December.

[@aaleven4728]

I don't think there is a single ban, in any format be it singles or doubles, that comes close to be as funny as Chatter being banned in VGC because you could just teach your parrot to say slurs

[@androsp9105]

Cofagrigus got banned from global trades unless it had a nickname because 'Cofagrigus' contains a bad word.

[@mjdxp5688]

And unfortunately due to dupes clause, a full Unown team to call your opponent a bad word isn't allowed either.

[@CuddlyTheMadElite]

“oh you’re live on Twitch”

[@ddgnp1057]

For me, its spelling certain gamer words with the letter seals in Platinum.

[@tylercasea]

​@androsp9105 Probopass and Froslass too.

[@JMalaby89]

I genuinely had no idea Exploud was in prison for crimes they did not commit, this is an outrage folks.

[@anonymousfog501]

Unfortunately Exploud doesn't get access to Outrage until Gen 4.

[@lucaslennan3356]

​@@anonymousfog501How is that possible? This is an Outrage.

[@jacksonbranby]

I think we may need to cause an Uproar about this.

[@mineblastgrind7281]

​@lucaslennan3356 Unfortunately anonymousfog501 doesn't get access to outrage until get 6

[@TeemoQuinton]

Free my mans Cacnea and Wynaut too

[@mjdxp5688]

My favorite weird ban is probably Gen 5 Moody Bidoof. People were genuinely ripping up Ubers with full Moody teams, which could include Bidoof. Moody was banned, and thus Bidoof's reign of terror was ended (although since Bidoof gets other abilities, you can still use Bidoof in Ubers, preserving the fragile Bidoof-centric Gen 5 Ubers metagame).

[@munchrai6396]

Moody is honestly still one of my favorite abilities in Pokemon and I do appreciate it getting a second chance in gen 8 even if it didn't stick around for very long

[@spikeyrex5873]

Remember that they almost considered banning Bidoof because of it... That shows how broken it is

[@xbon1]

imagine talmbout somethin but not explaining what it do... What moody and why it banned?

[@RainyCityVibe]

@@xbon1 Imagine being on the internet and not using google.

[@xbon1]

@@RainyCityVibe google is run by big corpo and steals ur data. do not trust google. only use Bing, and it's very hard to find this info with bing.

[@lischus_]

I think my favorite example of this happening was in Gen 8 NU. In Gen 8 NU the abilities Slush Rush & Snow Cloak are both banned. These are the only abilities that Alolan Sandshrew has access to and is therefore banned. This is insane.

[@mjdxp5688]

We all know Alolan Sandshrew deserved it. Alolan Sandshrew knows what it did.

[@cornonjacob]

Was that part of all the bans and unbans that led to arctozolt having one of the most psychotic tiering histories across a single generation?

[@69mastalon]

Sometimes the council were lazy for stuff like this, They could've set restrictions but instead chose to do easy bans... This is why i quit playing competitive. All went to crap after Gen 7

[@specs.weedle]

Even if it’s because of a technicality it’s still funny to think that alolan sandshrew is too strong for NU It’s a shame that GF’s refusal to give the line proper non-hidden abilities has made it prone to becoming collateral damage via bans, despite there being no excuse for both forms of the line to not have tough claws and rough skin which the line should have always had from the very start

[@diamondxlr8grade]

Fun fact: sandslash line are illegal in gen 3,4 OU because of sand veil, and it’s also illegal in gen 5 OU despite having a new ability, that ability is sand rush which is a banned ability

[@davidhower7095]

Sandslash is catching all the strays

[@zdelrod829]

Sandslash just couldn't get a break. It had such an interesting moveset as a possible Swords Dance sweeper, but the ability bans made it literally unusable.

[@TeemoQuinton]

​@zdelrod829 its an annoying ability, but I reallt cant say its ban worthy. Just ban Tyranitar if you use sandveil and shrimple. But no, full nuclear.

[@BagelEnjoyer]

Sandslash died to atone for your sins.

[@MrbaldRevell-c6z]

Why is sandrush banned its not like its luck based like evasion boosting

[@thefatcontrollershat]

Of course they banned Cacnea He was out standing in his field

[@mikehawk8984]

Bravo

[@Super_Top_Secret_Area]

Don't be fooled by those dangerous Pokémon, even Wynaut is a criminal mastermind.

[@semajniomet981]

lol

[@tryingmybest1888]

my girlfriend made fun of me for watching someone named “Jimothy Cool”

[@MayHugger]

Make fun of her for looking down on free knowledge and entertainment. Shame on her.

[@91Caesar]

*my ex girlfriend

[@gluskate1277]

can confirm im the girlfriend

[@Hamzter1234]

I think youre gonna need to break it off

[@_elynas]

that is not your girlfriend. that is a horse from the horse council

[@waffleman246]

Shoutout to pokemon colosseum for having a trainer who’s whole team is just double team sand veil

[@DarkAuraLord]

coliseum was built different, they said "we gave you faint attack and ariel ace, don't act dumb" 😂

[@yosh9192]

Don’t forget the man, the myth, the legend, Super Trainer Codel, who used an Imprison Protect Dusclops and five explosion mons, three of which being the Regis

[@brennantmi5063]

Not just any trainer, the games singular gym leader who's team is 20 levels higher than the other people in the gym you have to beat to get to him. What a nice guy.

[@goomyiscute777]

yeah, wasn't that guy, like, a double agent for Cipher who sold his soul for power, or am I just brainrotted by Dogs in Love?

[@waffleman246]

@@goomyiscute777 definitely brain rot, justy was an optional gym that was basically just there for EXP and a tm at the end of the gauntlet, all his gym trainers are super easy then they pull that stunt on you within the first hour of the game

[@neptuniamarina4924]

13:10 “They generally try to avoid complex bans, But I don’t think the community cares.” Yes! This right here. It always annoys me how afraid Smogon Tiers are deathly afraid of the Slippery Slope of complex bans but the community wouldn’t really care. I’m glad someone said it

[@baxterbruce9827]

I feel like the vast majority of people is sane enough to know the difference between a Drizzleswim ban (Technically a "Complex ban") and something like "Mewtwo is now allowed in UU but only if its strongest move is Confusion" (A literally insane ban) Then you meet Smogon people who believe that's the slippery slope I've never met someone who doesn't constantly play Smogon even think that's a possibility, knowing how the basic structure of the system works, and that's because it's crazy

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

On the one hand, I sympathize with the idea that complex bans make the game harder to get into for new players, and if you want metagames to grow and be welcoming to new players, complex bans are best avoided whenever possible. On the other hand, when the simpler ban makes it so entire species of pokemon are banned despite not being a problem, I think that has too many of the same problems, and is a worthwhile reason to consider a more complex ban. A casual fan who loves Exploud or Sandslash and tries to goof around with them should be able to do so. I would rather see specific abilities banned on specific pokemon (ie "Soundproof is banned on Mr. Mime") than the ability banned as a whole just because it has 1 problematic combination. One ability banned on one pokemon doesn't feel like a more complex ban than that pokemon being banned, IMO.

[@baxterbruce9827]

@@parkerdixon-word6295 Personally, I think there's a lot of issues with how Smogon handles the current system, and this is just one of them, especially since "Complex" bans aren't... Really that complicated in any form they've existed, they can usually be described in one sentence

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

@@baxterbruce9827 I feel like a ban of the complexity of the example in the video "Mean Look and Baton Pass are banned on the same pokemon" is actually a good example of a ban that's pretty complex, and just feels like a deterrent to new players. The fact that a player will look at it and have difficulty understanding what the actual problem was *and know that they don't understand* is I think part of the problem. If a pokemon is banned, that says to uninformed players "Oh, this pokemon is busted. That makes sense, no big deal." If an ability is banned, that's similar, you can assume that the ability is just too good, even if the actual story is more complicated. One ability on one pokemon sends a similar, clear message. "This combo is too good." Two specific moves being allowed normally but not together *feels more complicated*, and feels like it will make new players bounce off of the format, even if they understand the ban. Being able to understand the rule isn't the obstacle, it's making it feel like you need to understand the intricacies behind the rule just to participate that deters people, even if that isn't factually true.

[@beaky8138]

The simple argument against a complex ban is that the simple ban doesn't eliminate anything relevant from the metagame. Sandslash probably would be unhealthy if it was allowed, for example. Ditto for Wynaut. Preserving Soundproof means we care about preserving Baton Pass chains which, frankly, I think is a tough pill to swallow. Short pass strategies like Agility Zapdos or Swords Dance Celebi would much rather pass to a better pokemon, so the only context where Exploud is good is one where you really need to preserve those boosts, typically found on longer pass chains, which generally are not well liked by the community. Sandshrew just doesn't do anything, so preserving it is pointless. Smogon is also a voting based community, so if you think something should be done differently, you can do something about it.

[@MagicMarky07]

The sad Sandshrew art in this thumbnail is top notch, props to whoever drew/made it

[@enzoforgets9456]

Next april fools they should ban every pokemon, and use the showdown avatars with randomly assigned stats, moves, abilities and have us use them, and force our current showdown avatars to be pokemon

[@anonymousfog501]

AnonymousFog sent out Miku-Flying!

[@SPZ-gv2on]

It would be high effort but this would be very funny. Even do it for custom avatars so that it's blatently unfair for people with customs of broken mons lol

[@SparnaOfYomi]

I'm honestly not sold on why complex bans are avoided so heavily. I feel like they're a necessity, and could help keep a lot of gens healthy

[@beaky8138]

What complex bans would help which metagames?

[@neptuniamarina4924]

@@beaky8138 The first thing that comes to mind with Gen 9 OU is to just make it so some Pokemon aren't allowed to Tera. Kingambit's really unfun to fight because of the Tera 50/50s but isn't OP otherwise. SO just ban its ability to Tera, rather than banning itself. Same with Esapthra, Annihilape, Volcarona, etc

[@beaky8138]

@@neptuniamarina4924 There are two types of bans. You can ban what parties you can bring to a game and you can ban what you can do in the game. The former is the most accepted method of tiering currently and complex or otherwise the latter should be expected to go under significant scrutiny. In particular, sleep clause and freeze clause have been accepted parts of some metagames only because of their appearance in the Stadium series.

[@Peacock__]

​@@neptuniamarina4924 You can expand that reasoning to everything though. We should actually ban using moves so every uber can be in ou... we should ban abilities so they can be in ou. Complex bans are only appropriate in older metagames where its impossible to check everything because of the smaller playerbase and preservation of playerbase metagames.

[@AbandonedStarSystem]

@@Peacock__I believe they were trying to say 'This pokemon is completely ridiculous because of this singular thing' so you make a rule about the thing, unlike every other top tier pokemon that're good for several reasons but not to the point the game is decided on luck (such as guessing what tera they're running, and you lose for guessing wrong)

[@Mangneto]

Before the drawn thumbnails I didn't like so much because I felt more iconic the previous ones, but now I love them, good job jim as always very good video

[@aMartin315]

they banned ferrothorn after they found his old twitter account

[@entothechesnautknight1762]

It wasn't even fot the slurs, he was bragging about committing voter fraud with photo evidence.

[@Miguel_Macias1]

this is so funny HAHAHA

[@jotarokujo3603]

I always find it amusing how hard smogon kept trying to make baton pass balanced when it was clearly the issue.

[@ItRhymesWith]

"This prevents you from just spamming a single overpowered Pokemon, which wouldn't be very interesting." I think we all found the Furret-only tournament to be _incredibly_ interesting.

[@Slogstin]

If everyone spams the same overpowered Pokemon, none of them are Overpowered.

[@Zo3yX]

Competitive pokemon

[@jimothycool]

Yeah.

[@lalter_]

just like any good competitive game

[@Yeet-yj9lw]

needs rules to keep things sensible.

[@iseegreen5297]

without a

[@taintedirene5925]

good ruleset,

[@jduc005]

Why ban them? Wynaut?

[@Elfman126]

I can't wait to see the end of this story arc with our fellow horse, Magcargo Vs Horsea for horse suprecmacy across the world.

[@ItRhymesWith]

Let us hope the people of the country make the right decision in this election

[@Wgar1]

I always loved Cramorant being banned in Balanced Hackmons,it makes sense once you look into it but seeing it on thw banlist among obviously broken mons is hilarious

[@pixiel1xie]

What makes it broken?

[@TheShinyFeraligatr]

A specific form of Cramorant is banned.

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

i'd never thought about it before but you're totally right about a soundproof + baton pass complex ban, it would solve all the problems pretty easily (as long as we also banned the speed boost + baton pass combo) while preserving a lot of fun strategies, if someone wants to use soundproof electrode as a calm mind receiver or mr mime as zapdos agil pass receiver for special offense that could be really cool. even exploud would be interesting as a dragon dance reciever (or swords dance if you don't wanna rely on smeargle), a set like return, shadow ball, brick break, substitute could be very threatening while being immune to skarmory so it would fit nicely on those brute force physical offense teams (the ones that spam mons like curse boom lax and band metagross)

[@rocklobster4850]

what's the logic behind no complex bans? No baton pass and soundproof on the same pokemon seems easy enough to understand. It's definitely simpler than some of the restrictions they've put on baton pass.

[@honjon666]

I'm definitely with ABR, just nuke stat pass all together. Drypass and subpass only. But the current ruleset is pretty good.

[@beaky8138]

@@honjon666 Berry, Celebi, Zap and Vap pass are all accepted and valued parts of the generation 3 metagame.

[@TeemoQuinton]

There is no logic. Its just laziness

[@honjon666]

@beaky8138 yes, i like using sub berry vaporeon myself. But I'm just saying I wouldn't be bothered if stat pass was eventually banned entirely. I don't think the current ruleset is bad at all, though. It's a personal opinion that I wouldn't mind if statpass was removed is all. I'm not calling for a ban or suggesting anything is broken. Although marowak speedpass teams can be frustrating, and if there was no speedpass then sand attack ninjask would be gone as well which I think most of us would be fine with lol

[@beaky8138]

@@honjon666 Parawak feels more degenerate than Speedwak, though that's a personal opinion and I will still enjoy the occasional para spam team. No arguments that sand attack is obnoxious. I don't have any strong opinions on whether it's worth actioning right now.

[@VivianKurayami]

I do think a complex ban of Soundproof + Baton Pass would be good with the existing restrictions on Baton Pass for Gen 3 because the only Pokemon with access to that combination is the heinous criminal Mr. Mime.

[@TeemoQuinton]

Keeping Tyranitar off Sand Veil teams

[@ttarion]

​@@TeemoQuintonThat most certainly wouldn't work for the same reason the Sand Rush complex ban didn't work in gen 5. Sand is everywhere, even if you aren't actively abusing it you still likely have a Tyranitar because of just how strong it is. So sand will likely be up anyway and soon enough you're staring down an invisible pokemon so toxic you weren't allowed to use it for youurself. It would dissuade full teams but you'll still see a good chunk of Cacturne ruining everyone's fun.

[@francescofavro8890]

By the end of the video It's kind of funny how half of these bans involve baton pass, but it's always something else that gets the axe

[@FiboSai]

I'm pretty sure that if any of the pokemon featured in this video had legitimate use outside of the strategy that caused them to get banned, Smogon would have found a way to a complex ban to preserve them. The whole reason Mr Mime is banned is because it was a higher priority to preserve Baton Pass for its fair users like Zapdos or Celebi, than allowing someone to use Mr Mime because its their favorite Pokemon. Smogon not liking complex bans is not generally false, but there are multiple examples of them creating them to preserve something viewed important to the tier. If this didn't cause gen 5 to be this messed up, we might still have complex bans today.

[@tvb5509]

I got intrigued when you mentioned a second baby Pokémon and was sorly disappointed when Cacnea showed up. I thought you meant actual Baby Pokémon.

[@RabblesTheBinx]

A lot of people don't understand that "Baby Pokémon"≠"first stage" and just call any Pokémon that is at its lowest possible evolutionary stage a baby, even when it's not technically a Baby Pokémon. (For anyone unaware, Baby Pokémon are a subcategory of first-stage Pokémon that are defined primarily by two things: they are the lowest possible evolutionary stage of a Pokémon that can breed; and they, themselves, can't breed. So, Pichu, Cleffa, Igglybuff, Magby, Elekid, Smoochum, Togepi, Tyrogue, Azurill, Wynaut, Riolu, Munchlax, Mime Jr., Budew, Chingling, Bonsly, Happiny, Mantyke, and Toxel. Ironically, Vullaby, despite wearing a diaper and having a name that is literally partly made of the word "baby", is not a Baby Pokémon. Neither is Flabébé, despite _also_ having "baby" (in French) as part of its name.)

[@SuperNintendawg]

Sinister Kingdom Hearts music kicking in when talking about Mr. Mime is fucking hilarious

[@KorytheMaril]

Here's a potential video topic - How would Gen 3's competitive scene fare if the Gen had access to the "Legacy Evolutions" featured in later generations? For the sake if argument, let's say that Sylveon ends up a Normal type instead of opening the can of worms that is introducing the Fairy type to Gen 3. Not counting regional variants, this would introduce 29 Pokémon into the metagame: 22 from Gen 4, 1 from Gen 6, 3 from Legends Arceus and 3 from Gen 9.

[@breloommaster12]

This is already opening a giant can of worms going into all kinds of weird hypotheticals, no matter how you look at it. I'm not sure why you brought up "Sylveon" of all things to port over due to its Fairy-typing when there are easier examples to list, like idk Dudunsparce, Farigiraf, Alolan Exeggutor, etc.

[@KorytheMaril]

@breloommaster12 Ah, sure, but I'm asking about all of the non-regional variant legacy evolutions, and of those 29 Pokémon, only one of them touches on a new type, so if Jimothy were to consider touching upon all 29 Pokémon, I wanted to make talking about 1 of them easier.

[@breloommaster12]

@@KorytheMaril I mean if you were to include the likes of Magnezone, Tangrowth, Dudunsparce, Kleavor, Wyrdeer, Ursaluna, "Sylveon?", "Togekiss?", etc. aka the cross gen evos with already existing pre-evolutions, I don't see why you wouldn't include the regional variants with also pre-existing base forms, such as Alolan Raichu, Alolan Exeggutor, Alolan Marowak, Hisuian Typhlosion, etc. Excluding the regionals from the criteria seems both arbitrary and a missed opportunity, but maybe don't include the Fairy-type in this discussion cos that's kinda whack.

[@EggscellentTree]

I think it would be too much for a video and even then I think gen 3 might look alot different with mons like ursaluna and anihilape @@breloommaster12

[@jaredbarker9515]

"Without a good ruleset, it would be pure Chaos." Miraidon and Shadow Rider laugh in AG.

[@gaarakabuto1]

Fun fact: the real reason whismur got banned was not actually because of the ability soundproof but rather because there is visual proof that it paeticipated in the yugoslav war and aided Serbian troops to proceed on ethnic cleansing of bosniaks and romas. So sad indeed, it's potential was unmatch, if only the thirst for being part of a war crime wasn't that intense. We lost a real one.

[@JacobMosegris]

Yeah, it's infuriating to see just how much effort has been put into covering up the truth. This world...

[@larsg.2492]

You have a funny way of saying "baton", and using it about ten times in two minutes is just... 😂

[@getshwifty3101]

With how the video ends, I'm assuming 1 of 2 things: 1) There's a second part coming. 2) They REALLY started getting their shit together starting in Gen 4.

[@dastardlydwarf6909]

Anarchy for the win let me choice scarf sleep every Pokemon

[@macewindu5195]

And let me use 6 exeggutors, end the tyranny of the species clause

[@ctlaserdisc]

LMAO

[@rocklobster4850]

protect + flame orb meta

[@ctlaserdisc]

@@macewindu5195 this reminds me of when i tried to run 6 level 1 luvdiscs with 0ev stats and only one move: splash. (in pure hackmons) unfortunately my opponent just forfeited

[@hatyyy]

and let me have a turn 1001 game

[@Zeppelin_Wooper]

Competitive Pokémon, just like any good competitive game, needs rules to keep things sensible.

[@EternalZoroark]

Without a good ruleset, it would be pure chaos

[@MayHugger]

Dominated by the most overpowered strategies in the game.

[@Patrick_co]

Official competitive tournaments have plenty of rules in place to keep things interesting and varied.

[@nucleartree8159]

Like the species clause,

[@bendythedancingdemon2941]

A rule that bans you from having more than one of the same Pokémon on a team.

[@chester1882]

It would be interesting to trial a complex ban of Soundproof. Something like: “A Pokémon cannot have the ability Soundproof and Baton Pass”. That still effectively keeps Mr Mime strats out but allows opportunities to see if Soundproof mons have a niche role as the end target in Stat pass.

[@TajirMusil]

C'mon, look at Sandshrew, that little guy ain't hurting nobody.

[@parkerdixon-word6295]

Metagame balancing is deeply interesting, the dance you have to do sometimes of trying to ban one option that pushes a strategy over the edge as opposed to a "Nuke it from orbit" ban where you just destroy the strategy entirely. All of this collateral damage to me says that Baton Pass is the better ban, presumably why it was the ban target in later generations, despite being a cool move and idea that I do kinda wish was available for fooling around with. It's a move you wish was available as an option, but you wish it was just a fringe meme strat, rather than actually busted.

[@Dragonatrix]

Baton Pass being banned because you can stat boost, pass, stat boost some more, pass, repeat until you oneshot your opponents team is... dumb though? Like, if someone has that happen to them they kinda had to just *let that happen* in the first place. Instead of crying about it they should just play better and do one of the many things that would stop that. Like idk attacking the opponent ever, using buffs/debuffs themselves or idk just use fucking Haze which immediately negates the whole thing.

[@RoughRouser]

Cacnea was banned from Gen 3 OU not due to its father but due to a game-breaking bug where it would cause opposing Jimothy’s to be afflicted by Unnerve and Rattled simultaneously, causing the game to crash.

[@wheelofdingus]

Jimothy, I just want to tell you I appreciate your use of OSRS music in your videos. Very cool.

[@dragonitaslavedon1745]

What's that?

[@wheelofdingus]

@@dragonitaslavedon1745 OSRS (Old School Runescape) is a legacy MMO. A classic from our childhoods. Jimothy uses a few of the OG tracks in his videos (specifically in this video, around 3.30 you can hear the song Autumn Voyage). Runescape, among other good qualities, has fantastic music (good enough that I actually remix them, *cough cough* shameless self plug *cough cough*).

[@PuckishAngel]

"Why ban them?" Wynaut?

[@rascalmisaki1842]

I didnt think i could dislike a pronounciation more than Groudon, but then I heard you say Baton Pass... *shakes fist*

[@TrevorRox6]

They are pronouncing it like Baton Rouge instead of like baton used in a race

[@rascalmisaki1842]

@@TrevorRox6 I know, I still hate it

[@TrevorRox6]

@ same

[@cadesummers5866]

Love this metagame history- Jimothy can you do an overview analysis of the gen 3 UU Metagame? Thank you king🤴🏻

[@Metagross31]

Thanks for finally talking about Gen 3 Cacturn! I still remember many years ago, when Gen4 just came out and NetBattle was still a thing, that one server had a line in its description about "Salamence and Cacturn are not banned on this server". I got the Salamence part, as it is a strong Pokémon, but to this day I was wondering, why the hell they mentioned Cacturn as not bsing banned, since I never could imagine how Cacturn would be OP. Thank you for clarifying and for putting my mind at ease after all these years!

[@diegodallamuta9285]

other pokémon worth mentioning in case you want to make a part 2: - alolan sandshrew being nubl in gen 8 due to its only abilities being snow cloak (banned by ou) and slush rush (banned by nu) - articuno being ubers in bdsp due to its only available ability being the banned snow cloak

[@specs.weedle]

snow cloak is banned under the universal evasion clause anyways instead of just being banned in any specific tier

[@Hiushisan]

I love weird little facts like these. Yugioh's had some pretty bizarre bans over the years as well.

[@TheWizardMus]

Chick the Yellow getting hit for an infinite loop that was getting banned on the same list my beloved Also a genuinely necessary ban but Smoke Grenade getting banned after 20 years of being unplayable pack filler is still hilarious

[@TheSteakJustice]

I honestly think smogon's hesitance to use complex bans is getting to be problematic. I think fewer new players would be left scratching their heads if they get notified that "Mr. Mime cannot use Baton Pass in Gen 3 OU" than if they got "Exploud is not allowed in Gen 3 OU"

[@courtneyevie]

i love looking at the little cup banlist because it's always hilarious to look at a format where diglett and flittle are so insanely broken that they're banned like ten times over.

[@halbertsimpson]

Giving Whismur the Quick Claw item, while talking about Timmy and his in-game team, was a real artistic touch. This is how the game was intended to be played by the developers.

[@aidanspence1178]

ADV OU has had to go through so much crazy shit for the sole reason of not banning one move

[@PuresG1ft]

YugiOh Players: this doesn’t need to be nerfed. It’s a feature. (Then they play 5 minutes in their enemies turn, create 30 cards out of two and one turn kill them)

[@ricardoludwig4787]

Funnily enough, the Sandshrew line actually got banned a second time in gen 5 since their second ability was the also banned sand rush

[@specs.weedle]

And then in gen 8 slush rush got banned from NU because hail teams held the tier hostage until slush rush got banned Resulting in both Snowshrew and Snowslash losing their only legal ability because GF never gave either of the line’s forms a non-hidden alternative to their weather evasion ability even though tough claws and so many possible defensive abilities like rough skin/multiscale/ice scales/etc exis that’d be really easy to give to a species that very badly needs actually useful buffs anyways

[@cheesyb4975]

Magcargo is not a horse. Please stop letting him make a mockery of the Horse council. They worked really hard to get where they are now.

[@DefinitelyNotAFerret]

I really enjoy listening to you talk while I do other things like chores, cooking, and gaming

[@amphareixon]

Mentioning normal sandshrew but not mentioning Sandshrew alola in gen 8 NUBL which is goofier ban is pretty Sad 😢

[@reptiledisfunction9232]

jimothy on a LAGENDARY run these past few days

[@Drby_]

So many Jim uploads this week! We are truly blessed

[@juanzapien3234]

You've outdone yourself yet again, Mr. Jimothy Cool! Another video of all time.

[@airoe_games8743]

Sorry to post here, But I noticed in gen 3 OU when substitute is used against protect, it triggers protect, in which the next turn trying to use protect it may fail for being the second use of it. if that makes sense. which gives a major advantage for the mon behind the sub next turn.

[@LukeA471]

Isn't protect fail chance increased regardless of whether or not it blocks anything anyway? Or am I dumb

[@juanpitorico4561]

If protect fails, the next turn Will be always succesful​@@LukeA471

[@invaderzim1842]

@@LukeA471 no

[@aldrichunfaithful3589]

idk how it changes between gens but in gen 3 ou protect will only not trigger if the opponent switches out, so using sub, dragon dance or spikes into protect will waste the protect turn like you said. it's pretty strong but you have to make hard reads to get that advantage (particularly into the main protect user skarmory which could roar you out), and protect gets its own advantage since if the opponent switches you get to click it again which guarantees two leftovers heals

[@Stonedandbookish]

Umbreon being the thing that changed history for gen 2 is iconic. Umbreon & Espeon were the first pokemon tattoos i got for a leg sleeve

[@Mijzelffan]

Mr. Mime looks so guilty in its gen 3 sprite, its ban was inevitable

[@SkarmoryJr-ov5zy]

No wonder you talk so much about gen 3 competitive, it was so interesting.

[@Skulll9000]

It took until 3 minutes into the video for me to realize: "Is that RuneScape music??" lol.

[@VodkaVodoka]

I don't think any Sandslash fan would be happy to hear that they can just use Donphan instead. One is a armadillo-hedgehog hybrid with cool claws, while other is kinda silly looking miniature elephant. Well, there is always casual play.

[@specs.weedle]

why shouldn’t I use both a STAB earthquaker is a STAB earthquaker

[@agentblackbird9435]

Hey, thanks for uploading this after the election. The results are one thing but seeing everyone be sad about them has been hurting me, so seeing this helped

[@specs.weedle]

what does this have to do with the price of tea in china

[@Shenteresting]

The only sensible ban I can possibly imagine in competitive pokemon was the unanimous ban on Iron Mugulus. Anything else is simply unconstitutional. #Armaldo2028

[@DyxoXinoro]

As a sandshrew, I accept your apology. We knew Cacturne would be a bad seed even before seeing its beta design.

[@James-vc1kc]

3:31 oh I HEAR you playing rs music alright

[@CycleMantis]

Not me colluding with my opponent to trick leftovers onto each other's wobuffets

[@icedlemongamer]

fire thumbnail to add to the jimothy cool universe

[@d-m.n_--2]

video starts at 2:10, but the preamble is very much worth watching.

[@radandpaisley]

Great stuff, sub'd

[@B.27y]

Umbreon is the definition of good look bad personality Never trust an Umbreon

[@HurricaneBady]

Unrelated to the video, but i like your KZbin icon being Klaymen. I love NeverHood.

[@KageRyu798]

Great video, very informative. But I really just came here to complement the thumbnail that answers its own question by way of pun.

[@jamesmattila-hine1133]

That's Snorlax in the example hit a lot more than I was expecting

[@permafrostyx]

jimothy slimothy i love ur channel keep up the good work 👍😁

[@funkymachine]

"promote verity and prevent broken items like sash from being spammed" ??????????

[@Ghi102]

In VGC, Sash is broken. VGC games are very quick so a pokemon surviving a single attack is enough to be game breaking. Basically nearly every pokemon would have Sash without item clause

[@cctz_1]

Yeah as a singles player that statement was so funny to me lmao. But it makes sense in doubles. Less switches so less chance to break sash w hazards, and every turn has inherently more value so surviving an ohko nets u more than in singles

[@deathpigeon2]

@@cctz_1 there's also just less hazards all around.

[@Wendydeez76]

“Ummm yes this baby fire fox is ruining my day”-Aurdcono

[@mackwackenstein]

Exploud is such a well designed pokemon, and is one of my favorites from gen 3. I wish it could get buffed and get a new ability. Something that would boost sound based attacks, call it Bass-Boost or something like that. Noivern could get it too

[@The-ms2ub]

8:39 dug trio can learn… aerial ace??

[@nintendoloyalist7094]

A weird translation-induced plot hole. The move's Japanese name refers to a kind of swordfighting technique.

[@TheWizardMus]

You know the thing in samurai movies where they'll unsheath and sheath their katana really quickly? Then the bad guy explodes? Thats Aerial Ace.

[@chess_fella]

Imagine if Chatot learned Chatter and said “sussy baka amongus”.

[@Pumpost]

i want a metagame with maybe the only rule being only on pokemon per team. like AG but with that rule applying to all pokemon, not just not tradeable ones

[@Blockvard]

Yet another nice video, thank you. I seem to be the only one who doesn't miss hidden power. For me it's the Pokémon move equivalent to "have the cake and eat it too". I know it's weak but I just never liked it.

[@balancemaster55]

As cacturne is one of my favourite mons due to sucker punch sweeping being super cool to me as a kid who’s friends didn’t use moves which weren’t attacks knew that sucker punch would thus always go first cause no one would use quick attack or so.

[@khianidude]

Dupe clause also has another reason. You lose the strategic aspect of scouting a pokemon's movepool. You can make some sick plays and reads after scouting an opponent's full moveset. But if there are 2 of the same threats, you have to guess if they run the same set or different sets, especially if you're facing a team of duplicate mixed attackers.

[@reyadhrahaman7778]

It'd be impossible to stop Mr. Mime from breaking out of prison because he can technically learn Teleport. He's still in there because he WANTS to be...which I find extremely unnerving.

[@FranzoOnLine]

With all those issues caused by having Baton Pass + another ability or move, it seems to me like Smogon should just do what they do in newer gens and ban Baton Pass instead of abilities (and by proxy Pokémon) that are problematic with it.

[@Léon-x3c]

Never knew sleep clause was in thing in Stadium. That feels so ahead of its time.

[@PinkaholicOfficial]

No natural Rock Type has ever been in Ubers, yet Whismur, Cacnea, and Wynaut have. That is interesting to think about.

[@Lanoman123]

Why do you say “Baton” like that 😭

[@Deadgye]

I liked how snow cloak glaceon was legal in gen 4 OU despite being an evasion boost ability, because glaceon was so shit it didn't matter.

[@abdielrodriguez1386]

The baton pass clause is interesting in gen 2. We have a thing in 35 pokes where baton pass is allowed without having any stat boosting moves or abilities. Since it’s a the only pivoting move some mons get This made some people used sweet veil dachsbun one month because well baked body was illegal with baton pass

[@NightFreeze9128]

I wonder if Electrode could've contributed to Soundproof being banned as a whole, rather than just the combination of it and Baton Pass. Hisuian Electrode is actually in ZUBL in Gen 9, and I assume that's due to the combination of Substitute, Leech Seed and Soundproof. With one of the best Speed stats in the entire history of the franchise, H-Electrode can set Substitute on reaction when its previous one fades away, and Soundproof directly nullifies the most splashable counterplay to this strategy. Although Kantonian Electrode can't learn Leech Seed, it can learn Toxic and hold Leftovers, potentially allowing for a lesser version of this type of stalling. I don't know if that's powerful enough in Gen 3 OU to be considered when writing the banlist, but I wouldn't be surprised.

[@CaptainJLinebeck]

Shoutouts to Diglett for getting Arena Trap banned in Gen 6 because it turns out that ability is busted even on a baby Pokemon. Also the other drawback with using Whirlwind Skarmory in Gen 3 was that due to breeding mechanics, Skarmory cannot learn both Whirlwind and Drill Peck. If Skarmory runs Whirlwind then it's best Flying STAB becomes Hidden Power, which is pretty bad.

[@speensro413]

Klaymen from The Neverhood as a PFP on KZbin goes hard. Keep it forever

[@nathanwilkins6107]

Sandslash died for Tyranitar’s sins.

[@munchrai6396]

I've always considered old, permanent weather setting to be far more broken than a slight evasion boost. As long as you can't stack it with anything more than a bright Powder, the odds of hitting the opponent are still greatly in your favor and it being weather based gives you other ways to play around it when permanent weather isn't a factor. I do wish that Smogon would do complex bans more often because they are genuinely one the best ways to avoid this sort of nasty collateral damage. Mind you, they did something interesting with gen 9's sleep ban and gen 5's gem ban where those bans only effect OU. This is an even better solution because it means that someone using a powerful Pokemon to abuse a commonly available strategy isn't going to effect all those much less broken examples.

[@willow1601]

I imagine Tyranitar would fall out of favor if sand veil pokemon were allowed, just not on its team. Or maybe no one thinks that far ahead and just goes with the meta.

[@TheWizardMus]

​@@willow1601 Well, the best case scenario is Cacturne starts seeing play as a counter-sand Spikes user, cuz hes the best Sand Veil pokemon. But thats not saying that much, and still has the same issue of "this Pokemon just waits for a miss from its evasion ability" just matchup fishier. Best case scenario its a spiker that can maybe scare out Claydol, it doesnt get very strong Grass or Dark moves... Unironically I think Roselia is a better Spiker, with Grasswhistle and Aromatherapy.

[@KVO723]

2:08 Spoiler: the red one won