Bouncer & Doorman Defensive Tactics: Part II

[@qutrg]

I like the doorman's professionalism and how he refers to the troublemakers as "sir". It's so much cooler and classier than using profanity. Then again, I get the feeling he's working a more upscale establishment. But also, doing it this way helps deescalate things, which was mentioned in part 1.

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

Some good comments. Yes, it all depends on one's clientele on how you are going to communicate. BE A HARD TARGET.

[@lmurashchik]

This video stands out. There are so many nonsensical "instructional" videos on KZbin, but this one is actually great. Thank you for sharing this.

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

You're welcome. Thanks for the positive feedback. BE A HARD TARGET

[@serenadesilhout]

I love this video. I believe that 90% of all fights are won before the first punch and you go into great detail in identifying the indicators of aggression. Plus I like your use of force ladder, it's simple and easy to implement into my training.

[@connorstewart4833]

This guys acting is absolutly incredible

[@manicxboxgamer1027]

10/10 for his drunk acting

[@Edsel0201]

Jim Wagner N°1 !!!! Respect and appreciation from Italy.

[@blbreptiles4126]

I'm from italy too(and also 2 years late haha)

[@johndeboer7039]

Jim, I work in a high noise environment with foreigners. Thanks more than a million!!!

[@nickfoot3968]

These videos are great for people looking to working in the security industry

[@fredbazoo]

Jim is so good isn't he? He identifies real world threats, and signs so well.

[@gootyeriz]

On a serious note, I like the fact they video isn't just showing how to destroy someone. It covers what a person can legally do, and it tells how not punch and KO someone who is too drunk. Slap and pull down. It is enough to shock someone.

[@HJules-cw6fb]

I really love at 11:38 how he explains how to control a situation like a true professional. No killing and still considering his and the aggressors well being. I wish everyone was thinking like this. He ends explaining the rights of others too. Thats how it SHOULD be.

[@danielpickrell8311]

Working security at bars, clubs, and strip clubs. I encountered every scenario except the knife but I did find knives on people when searching them. I hold it for them and they forget to get it back after they leave lol. More issues in my area is not fighting with security but fights between people and you have to get involved to get them out and figuring out which one was the one who started it. Also we had a few gun threats and negligence discharges in parking lots before.

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

Thank you Daniel for giving us some of your real world experience. It is always helpful. BE A HARD TARGET

[@away-j3997]

Great video - great advice...useful can be adapted for self defense - level of force continuum is important.

[@burakcakr6838]

1:29 I wasn't expecting him to speak Turkish but the concept was so accurate

[@briansheridan7496]

great stuff and the most applicable I have seen .

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

Thanks Brian. BE A HARD TARGET

[@devine1005]

Ugh! 14:10 This situation is the one I hate the most. I don't want to be the first person to become physical and I certainly don't want to escalate the situation to a fight, but I have to get them out. What is worse is that I'm small and usually put on roaming so I don't always have another guard with me to provide assistance.

[@jasontodd4042]

Men are afraid of two things: Small dick and being hit on the balls. Use this knowledge wisely.

[@devine1005]

Jason Todd LOL thanks I'll remember that, but it's usually not the men that give me a problem, or the slim girls, it's the fat ones that don't want to leave until they make an impression.

[@jasontodd4042]

Devine 100 Trust me when I say you kick a man in the balls and it will be you who leaves a big impression. Or insult how small of an impression they can make with little dicky. Any situation can be solved with one of those. Ball stomp or dick belittling. No defense possible. Also, fat doods usually have small dicks.

[@devine1005]

Jason Todd LOL, got it. Thanks :)

[@ZxLonelyRangerxZ]

Well if the kick didn't disable the dude though , you'll be in a world of hurt . Don't actually follow through on that advice...

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

Michael Peterson, before you start using words like "ripped off," why don't you take time to research my background and find out that I was one of Dan Inosanto's original student, who by-the-way, was Bruce Lee's protégé who taught Wing Chun , which I studied starting in 1977. You would also know that I admit to my students at my seminars that the roots of my Kinetic Sensation Response has its roots in Wing Chun by I have taken it much further with modern tactics.

[@its_marce101]

Jim Wagner where can I get training like this from ?

[@theperson8275]

Yes! ‘Feeling Emptiness’!

[@jacethemace6613]

How did he make his ear red?

[@mauromu]

hello jim ! i wis all the door mans were that much professionals as you and mike are! congratulations ! exelent video of self defense in general!

[@joshuaguinn1684]

I want to know what they did to make him red lol

[@joshjohnson2145]

Joshua Guinn slapped the shit out of him 🤣

[@eazyrider6122]

Then there is those on PCP or Crack, Those attackers are subhuman in that mindset they just keep coming back even on moves that would normally bring your attacker down straight away. They are hypo, agitated, Aggressive and out of their normal human pain thresh holed. These are the worst and probably most common types these days. I've seen 6 police try to control one guy like this. Being a doorman 2 decades ago might have been alright but its a different ball game now. I don't go to clubs anyway, I think the crowds they draw are shit, The prices for drinks are over the top, its the best place to get into trouble even if your not looking for it. They rife with egotistical dickheads and wankers that will start a fight if their drink gets spilled. The next two places to get in to trouble is the cab rank after the club has closed or the kebab shop in the cues. So much for anyone wanting a good night out, I wouldn't call it that at all. BTW i've not personally had any trouble at clubs that I haven't sorted out with a couple of strikes but who even wants that? Best self defence is to just simply avoid the hot spots, Have a great night with close friends and a BBQ or go see a live band or festival. There is so much more to do then to go to these over rated places and waking up $500 shorter with a massive hangover with the smell of Sambuca all over your clothes. That shits for total dickheads. One more thing if the bouncers have had a hard time earlier with some wanker they become on edge with everyone and even start fights with people who had no intention of fighting they get all pumped up and egotistical as well at some places ive seen, Not at me personally but ive seen them do it many times. Not all places or all doormen either but it happens particularly when the doorman has had a good ol line or two to help him through the night. They often patrol the doors to warn the glassiers that the cops are coming in so the glassiers hid the drugs they are selling. How many of these places operate like this eh? Thousands of them. Drugs in night clubs is big business always has been. I wouldn't care if they shut every night club down across the globe. People might see what's going on in the real world then. Just saying the example given at 11:10 that shoulder technique is way to much, The front of the shoulder is a major pressure point just strike right into it and disable his entire arm. That's enough im done.

[@bobbybello6624]

Great video, as someone who trains in MMa & various other Martial arts & does Security/Bodyguard & Bouncing work as a side job, ur main objective is either to get unruly patrons out of the facility ur doing security at, or to have them not enter at all. Technically ur not allowed to put ur hands on someone unless ur breaking up a fight, defending urself, or trying to get them out of there. There were a lot of times when doing security I wanted to just hit an irate person, not good job security

[@GuamanianHarmonLoop]

This is very helpful. Observation is very important.

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

You're welcome. BE A HARD TARGET

[@lroche3262]

What if the doorman broke the guy's finger?

[@Nix6p]

16:32 Wait, why can't we punch females? Do they have some kind of iron jaw that means that we should elbow them instead?

[@Nix6p]

Cowards hit men too. If you're in danger, you defend yourself. If you think "Oh, better not hit her, she's a woman" then you aren't really in danger at all.

[@Nix6p]

southsidesman You might not be cut out for security work with that kind of attitude.

[@Nix6p]

southsidesman That entire post has no relevance whatsoever to my point. Women can be violent threats to you just as men can. Of course you'll always favour communication first, soft techniques second and then only use hard techniques when you're in severe danger. However, to claim that a woman could never possibly attack you with enough severity that you might have to defend yourself with a higher level of force is an incredibly sheltered and naive worldview. I am just as hesitant to use force against women as I am against men. I refuse to risk my life for outdated notions of chivalry and gender favouritism. If a situation warrants the use of force, you do so. If the situation warrants a strike, you do it without hesitation. If you're qualified to carry a firearm and you have no other option but to use potentially lethal force, then you use it regardless of the gender, skin colour or age of your attacker. Persisting with this mindset that you should never use force against violent and dangerous women even when other options have been exhausted is putting both you and the public at risk. By refusing to do what is necessary to stop that threat, you're violating your duty of care and are simply not performing your job.

[@Nix6p]

southsidesman So basically, you're just a massive sexist who thinks that women are weak and incapable. Righto then.

[@culu2011]

southsidesman absolutely not, a punch is punch and a knife is a knife. Many women have more than enough force to knock anyone down if you let here. Not to mention the parts...

[@wittyjoker4631]

A lot of these signs are also a simple side effect of being drunk in a crowded hot room. Like the sweating and getting red.

[@HJules-cw6fb]

+cory greene Doesn't apply 100% to every situation but there are plenty of times in a well air conditioned lounge where these apply. PLENTY of times this were indications.

[@mookixox]

+cory greene Could also be a Herpes outbreak from banging too many girls from the club..

[@robertguzman6411]

Thank u for you're skills

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

YOU'RE WELCOME ROBERT. BE A HARD TARGET

[@fredbazoo]

This is the same as all things in life....If you want to command respect, always be and look confident.....Always be in control. The women will love you, and the boss will respect you :)

[@trevorcopeland211]

how about like if I wanted to get in the club and don't get let in and I put the bouncer/doorman in a kimura

[@ZxLonelyRangerxZ]

BJJ in streetfights doesn't work , if the guy has friends they're gonna stomp your face so hard . You'll probably get speech impairment , don't do that . It's stupid.

[@starwarsguy123ful]

The ''bouncer'' could be a good actor!

[@joshuaguinn1684]

For knife fights, accept the fact you will get cut, just don't get cut where it is vital

[@karl53133]

Tyler Frost Agree I worked the doors for 15yrs mostly clubs in Birmingham, done my SIA last year thinking of going back and walked it and my cctv same but I'll never go back now you can't even put strain on joints now so all this shown can't be used in the UK, plus a doorman bud told me now if you have a argument say with a snotty pissed up student or office type and they take your number witch you have to provide on request and contact the SIA you will be unable to work for up to 3 months even if you've done nothing wrong while they " investigate " trouble is most the kids etc know this so your in the shit nowadays, and even if there's no case found to answer to you've still lost your earnings yet nothing happens to the person that put in a formal complaint, so no thankyou it's a mugs game now, it was a good job and it could be done in a firm but fair way as I said I did it for 15+ yrs and never had to assault anyone to do the job but now all the rules are against you and the money's the same as I was earning back in the 90s so now it's a very bad choice, and close protection is only any good if you are ex services or you won't get the right / contracts / jobs you don't have to believe me but I'm 55 and I know people that have close protection licences so think very hard before spending 2k+ for such I'm just being honest with you.. All the best

[@Anmeldn]

thats good for clubgoers too, its good if you can spot aggressive people early on.

[@marcsl1974]

kinetic sensation response? looks like beginner one hand chisao to me.

[@UpcomingJedi]

How many people rush through the door after he escorts Bert away?

[@chrissharma4088]

At 731 is that Ronald McDonald? Lol

[@skylixx005]

Mooie technieken en erg compleet!

[@AW-xt4lx]

good stuff until the end, that's not how you get up in a fight. opposite hand and foot then put other behind, other hand out to prevent another takedown. Eg left hand, right foot on ground. lift body up. left foot goes between right foot and left hand. right hand raised. As opposed to floundering around for balance

[@Rbranton100]

Where can I purchase this dvd?

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

The DVD is no longer on the market, and that is why I put it up on KZbin for all to view. BE A HARD TARGET

[@reytrevino8284]

19:10 reminds me of chi Sao from Wing Chun Kung Fu .

[@anthonybrogan390]

Jim Wagner is great

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

Thank you Anthony. None of this video was rehearsed. We just did it. BE A HARD TARGET

[@alidalouisa4462]

very infomative and interesting!

[@joshuaguinn1684]

You need to look into MCMAP, no need to kill the guy, just break his arm or shoulder. Also it will be easier.

[@cpsennett687]

@Daniel Hansen - you may want to read up what self defence is - you can hit someone in defence in England. It is only assault if it is proven in a court and I suspect in any country you have a right to defend yourself, just don't over do it.

[@AnInnocentLittleBoy]

Please don't "fuck me up". I'm actually a pretty nice guy. I get paid minimum wage to stand in front of a door.

[@hieveryone.8508]

+AnlnnocentLittleBoy. Haha.

[@fattestwhiteguyever757]

AnInnocentLittleBoy how is that even possible

[@fredbazoo]

Wow what a great doorman that chap is.....If I had a club I would hire him right away damn the cash (lol)

[@Yogurtcup313]

The video stopped when he was explaining kinetic sensation response. Was it too informative or what? I want to hear how to defend myself!

[@HJules-cw6fb]

+Bebe Apple There is more in the video. It covers 6 topics.

[@Longtack55]

Jim you make a load of sense and there's no b/s.

[@ReubenCampbellII]

Shout out to my man for the acting 😂

[@trevorcopeland211]

+Jim Wagner what if its someone that can actually fight.....

[@keshlonturnquest1619]

8

[@mattlawless8216]

To the general manager: "I don't like his eyes." General Manager to you: "I don't like your brains." To GM: "Huh?" Gm to you: "What?" No more talking for the rest of the night.

[@LyricalWeaver]

20:00 That is Wing chun kung fu my friend.

[@theperson8275]

‘Feeling Emptiness’ drill.

[@anthonybrogan390]

his partner is a good actor

[@AlphaDad]

I love that finger grab

[@BestUserNameUK]

You NEVER said 'Mike'

[@djtim06]

say hello to my little friend!!

[@CheGumby]

That nose in the butt tech is pretty advanced :)

[@PaulVunak-yj5cr]

Interesting, he's using physics just like Systema for takedowns

[@chbu7081]

Very informative.

[@gunnyakdo1653]

1:51 when ı come home

[@howardwmoore]

was this filmed with a potato

[@kennethsmith5428]

Howard Moore

[@clementinogisondi5202]

these fuckin videos rule man

[@lsd5449]

that's not good, im always walking around doing one of those things that are an indicator that they might be hostile

[@gootyeriz]

@15:52 That guy dove in a little too much.

[@CottonBoxer]

KSR = push hands basics ijs

[@345kobi]

6:50

[@jimmylagerstrom6826]

when some one draw a knife, for sure step away from the door, sir. LOL social skills are crusial! when sending someone away thats been aggresive make sure to search them or send em off with police if you feel there is risk for retaliations, reading people, empty or real threats.

[@trevorcopeland211]

think about that

[@trevorcopeland211]

even if you are you couldn't get out of it if im doing it

[@avakinzerochill]

I could.

[@joebertsolero2151]

thank u jim and mike..

[@tituobaklat6275]

Lol this is so funny.. but good advice.

[@OwenPrescott]

I like the bitch slap techniques.

[@wadomannen]

Fantastisk

[@GattoriSancho]

this would be my job if i had a car.

[@BuddyLee23]

You don’t need a car, only a door.

[@monalith123]

the guy on the left is Turkish ;)

[@qodvbop]

everytime i get engaged, i never meet any of these.....

[@jakewise8186]

i hope he gets help

[@danielhansen440]

if you punch some in the face with your palm, then u still hit the face, and i dont think thats legal even where u come from. Even tough some 18 years old, 110 pound teenager makes u feel scared! U aint a bouncer, u just want to fight..

[@agachauser9854]

Daniel Hansen This tutorial is about trying to fight back attackers at the door in the case of defense. That is stated in the title. If you want a guide that doesn’t focus on fighting back, you wouldn’t have searched this. The man in the video is not fighting for the sake of fighting, he’s showing what to do, and everyone who was here to demonstrate wanted to do it, and played their parts because they chose them. Nobody is being harmed for the sake of fighting. He even states before you get into full force, try to resolve the situation peacefully. They mention this in the stepladder part, and the three person part. This is very much not about wanting to fight.

[@trevorcopeland211]

yeah your not trained for that are you

[@dinomacak1842]

I should self defense I am at work

[@shintawolfie]

Everything is a "rip off' of something, especially in the hand-to-hand/martial arts world.

[@elmata4136]

LMAO i did the same thing when i was guarding a party' some stupid ass cholo got jumpy and came at me and i twisted him around and grabbed him by his neck, only thing i did was kick the back of his leg to bend him forward to his knees and arrest him like a boss!! ^.^ lol

[@kd0duj]

I took JKD for over 10 years and a 2nd degree Black Belt and if a bouncer puts his hands on me he would be waking up in the hospital in the ICU I was also trained in arrest control tactics here in Co. you could be arrested

[@kd0duj]

Bryce A I am not a macho shit bird 1. I have book and street smarts 2. I will try to defuse the conflict before punches are thrown 3. hand to hand combat is a last resort.

[@jimwagnerrbpp]

Chris Tenorio, perhaps. A lot of bouncers also have a martial arts background, and the law in their favor if you refuse to leave when asked. So, before you end up putting him in "ICU," make sure you know the laws of the land and the use-of-force continuum. In a courtroom advertising you were in JKD for 10 years, and a 2nd degree black belt, could also bite you on the ass if you, or your attorney does not use this information correctly. Be A Hard Target.

[@tpt1111]

Another internet tough guy.. Did you get a little trophy in your school, also? If you were anything at all, you would not make your comments...

[@kd0duj]

its not the dog in the fight its the size of the fight in the dog Believe that

[@kd0duj]

I'm not a competition fighter I will fight to the death to protect my family and friends. I was trained by 2 U.S. Marines. Ted I might know some things you may not know rules of engagement.

[@Metalbob011]

Dan Chi sau

[@DogoSky.]

I hope no one get the dvd

[@cinqueottavi]

so don't fuck with Mike

[@Purewater777]

I would add to the list after8:05 IT WOULD BE LOW DOWN UNETHICAL. 8:53"If you have to kill someone,you haveto kill someone."Why would you kill someone,when youcan damage him badly instead.Killing someone usually comes after excessiveforce.Why not stop there?A manhas a gun&has shot people&you have a gun as well,why not shoothim in theleg orstomach&run tokeep him controlled.If he still attemptsto shoot people,shoot him elsewhere again.Killing someone should ALMOST NEVER BE AN OPTION.Make it clear.

[@zombienectar]

add those all up and you have my ex wife..

[@frankaanensen2680]

ha ha

[@drhkleinert3245]

Bouncers are nothing. Big mouth and big steroid muscles, thats it. Just think about that they allways are a bunch same brained guys, and its easy to make the big boy if you have a few buddys nearby. Its OK that they make a club or bar mor safe but i hate that big and aggro guys.

[@Longtack55]

Best bouncers use their brains to deescalate, then their brains to use minimum force to get compliance, and their brains to use enough force to defend themselves. No "big mouth and big steroid muscles" used here.

[@avakinzerochill]

Quite an inaccurate description. Too broad and stereotypical

[@Chatflex]

He's a bad actor

[@abriones1ab]

This has to be the worst Training and Development video I have ever seen.

[@trevorcopeland211]

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