6 Fricking Awesome Bouncer Tips

[@bretttyler5421]

Been bouncing for 8 years now, and this was the best quick tip video for it I've found. No bullshit RoadHouse stuff, good points on visually ID'ing problems, great stuff. Kudos man. I know this videos old but would be interested on seeing one from you on the none physical aspects of the job. Spotting fakes, de-escalation tips, maybe some lines you have for when denying entry that seem to keep people rational, how to handle severe over-intoxication-as far as best way to provide care before ambulance arrives ( I know were supposed to stop patrons before that happens but on rare occasions it still does, I'm sure you understand). Again, great vid, stay safe.

[@Kiezkollege]

This video was surprisingly good. No offence..

[@LlamaCommando]

None taken, I know exactly what you mean. It was a quickie made for my bouncers because we had a lotta new guys and they needed a quick reference to review on their own.

[@sup6464]

The wrist an elbow one works, but it works even better if you move back pulling him off balance and having a tight grip on the arm, and a loose but firm wrap around his neck, but still letting him be able to breathe. That way when he is off balance, he can no longer engage you.

[@fedor440]

Good video, its always good to have a refresher. These are solid fundamentals, but I also learned a few new things. Keep up the good work.

[@SheepHumper22]

Thanks for this video, I'm bouncing currently and this has given me a little more confidence. I'm not extremely assertive or "cop" like to begin with so learning the body language has really helped. Thank you. Also I unfortunately work the door alone most of the time while my coworkers circling the bar, watching for minors drinking, any tips on how to take away a drink from a paying customer(s) once they've gotten too rowdy?

[@dabunnyrabbit2620]

Just cut them off, if they are drunk normal logic doesnt apply. And saying something to take their drink could set them off. Make sure you get the emptys though.

[@edwardparsons4088]

Thanks! this will come in handy lots :D

[@joshbutcher466]

Great Advice!!!

[@jimsmall3864]

You ever had your pony tail pulled?

[@LlamaCommando]

Nope.

[@clairepilkington3778]

Jim laker

[@danielswing3068]

You should put suivineers of your bounties in your pony tail.

[@dabunnyrabbit2620]

Kinky

[@ashman6268]

excellent video!!!!! very easy things to learn thanks. whats the best way of trying to talk them by removing them from the club and stupid question when do you think they are " too intoxicated" nobody can really determine how much is too intoxicated these days just by judgement.

[@LlamaCommando]

Hey glad you found it useful. Best way to talk down comes from negotiation and we call it "refer to a higher power"--basically a threat that isn't under your control. Threat of arrest works better than threat of calling the cops for some reason even though they both mean about the same thing. "Hey man, you're done. Don't make me arrest you." Or "If you hit him, I'll have to arrest you. Etc etc" Most states actually do give you citizen's arrest authority (know your laws first though, I'm not a lawyer) but it never gets to that. The threat is enough. If you get protesting just be firm. "I don't care what he/she/they did, you're done. Just come back next week, or go somewhere else". Most guys don't want to fight and the ones who do, want a fight they can win. Dominant body language, acting really calm (even if you're afraid on the inside) a clear, authoritative, louder voice, and having one of your team there with you will keep control and be very persuasive to most guys. Try to work in pairs as much as possible if you think violence is about to ensue/have to kick someone out. Too intoxicated: The bartender/servers usually let you know but the rule is if they're being a nuisance and/or if other patrons complain about them (far more common and usually women getting harassed). If they can't stand very well use your judgement. Sometimes though, the crowd will get too thick and you'll miss one or two of these guys. We had 2 guys who couldn't stand fall into a pole and a wall in the corner--knocking themselves out. We found them at the end of the night. We think they were fighting but neither one remembered if they were. Ha. Stay safe out there!

[@petrocksgarage]

+Ash Man, I've been doing security for 18+ years in various states and 9 times out of 10 you can talk someone out of a club rather then have to resort to physical force. If you have to use force then you failed as a security guard, IMO, because there was a breakdown in communication. The key is to stay patient. One of my catch phrases to get someone to at least get close to the door/exit is something along the lines of "Hey, can I talk to you for a second? But its really loud in here. Can we talk somewhere quieter?" Or "*cough* *cough* my throat really hurts. Can we talk somewhere quieter so I don't have to yell?" and motion towards the nearest exit. Typically they will follow you out the door, or at least get very close to it. At which point you state bluntly why they were asked to leave. They may not like it, but who cares you got them out without using force and your job is done. Just go back inside. The door guy will make sure that person doesn't go back in.

[@IanKnowland]

I would be careful about threatening arrest, or really anything that you're not prepared to or capable of carrying out. A smart guy would say, "What, are you a cop or something?" and that instantly puts you in a stickier situation, since saying "No" would decrease your authority and credibility in their eyes, increasing the likelihood of needing backup. WhichAnd answering "Yes" if it's not true could potentially jam you up legally. Just my two cents! (Former bouncer and federal law enforcement, 7+ years)

[@petrocksgarage]

+Ian Knowland, in some states, like CA, bouncers with Guard Cards have the power of arrest and can put you in hand cuffs etc. Most major cities in CA require bouncers to have a guard card. So if a bouncer there says you will get arrested, they mean it.

[@IanKnowland]

Pet Rock's Garage Interesting! I had no idea about that, I've never encountered that in Oregon so I'm not sure if we have that same program. Good to know!

[@carrot5570]

Awesome video 😊

[@LlamaCommando]

Thanks. :)

[@grizzwarrior08]

Hey I'm the smallest on my team at 5'3 but I have a strong boxing and grappling background and extremely powerful I have the most problems at the end of the night when patrons don't want to leave and deplomacy isn't working...can you offer any tips....any tips even tips for using my "disadvantages" as advantages thanks

[@othmaneesslimani5477]

Hit Him ?

[@anthonyperez6344]

Jamal miller small guys have the ability of leverage. always go low on these guys of you have to, were all the same height on the ground, im a little bigger at 5'8" but you know how it goes when you gotta throw a 6'4" guy out.

[@anthonyperez6344]

Esslimani Channel quick way to lose your job......

[@jenoconnell7358]

Jamal miller yea...left hook to the liver drops any man...if it comes to blows

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Carry a 🔪

[@deftones659]

Really great tips, I especially liked your focus on avoiding contact and litigation issues. Someone used that arm lock on me when I was 18, by a smaller, yet older, jujitsu fighter. I did not like it, but it kept my ass from doing anything else. Lol. Anyways. Thanks again, really helps for my current line of work.

[@LlamaCommando]

Jimmy Alonso sure man! Glad to help. Stay safe out there.

[@dabunnyrabbit2620]

Careful, that arm lock is easy to escape.

[@antegotovina4952]

What if a patron grab your pony tail and wrapped it around your neck?

[@LlamaCommando]

Never happened, but even if so, that's not a great way to strangle anyone. If it happened, I'd just turn around into it and make them regret it. Most people aren't stupid enough to try it.

[@jammygitt]

These guys are bouncers at Chuck E. Cheese

[@LlamaCommando]

This guy couldn't handle bouncing at chuck e cheese.

[@timnewton3300]

I would just love to know where you do security at. None of that would fly around here. As soon as you tried to get bigger you'd get your head split open.

[@LlamaCommando]

Don't know what to tell ya, it works for us. Maybe you should make a video and show us how it's done.

[@TheJimbo2000]

the arm restraint is the wrong way around your get out muscled if he's bigger than you and can't lock his arm between your forearm and bicep while holding his hand goose neck but other than that very good video for basic well done

[@LlamaCommando]

Thanks for the feedback, I haven't had to use that one in a real scenario, and I prefer and used another that just seemed too complicated for the guys I made this video for. Looking back, I would've chosen something different too. Still that's some good feedback you dropped. :D

[@jaimemunoz5920]

+Michael Leading Horse have you ever used a kubaton or an expandable baton?

[@LlamaCommando]

jaime munoz Expandable yes. Be very careful and know about the local laws, just carrying one can be a misdemeanor in a lot of places. Never hit to the head unless it's life or death, batons to the head kill really easily.

[@dabunnyrabbit2620]

Trust your team, but also think of it as if you're the only one there. Keep your awareness and track of everyone, going to the ground is not an option, train heavily in take down defense, and remember there are no weight classes, imagine a 6.8 240LB solid muscle buzzed pissed off country boy that wants to tear your head off. (True story, was a bouncer for a few years) The shits going down and he's in your face NOW! What are you going to do? Tell me what you would do, then I'll tell you what I did.

[@sdlonewolf]

Good advice and add lifting weights, MMA classes. The pony tail could present a problem because once someone gets a hold of it they will use it as a fulcrum to put your head where they want it!

[@LlamaCommando]

Cute, but through 18 different real (as in not during training, with strangers, who may or may not have had weapons) violent encounters I've been in, no one has done that. Not just bouncing either, I've taken fugitives back to jail. You don't need to lift weights, and you don't really need MMA just to defend yourself or even to bounce. MMA frankly would be a waste of time and lots of money for bouncing (are you an MMA coach? MMAers always say you need years of training because their business model depends on you believing that) Let's be real here, you're just trying to feel special by criticizing someone who's actually doing something. How about you step into this arena and make your own video? Let's see you do it better.

[@LlamaCommando]

Well you're more thoughtful than I assumed. A personal attack isn't worth anything so I point those out to help them get downvoted, but you're trying to make some real points. If your approach demands a certain kind of strength, you misunderstand leverage as a philosophy and what a human's weapons are. Strength helps, sure, but strength isn't enough. Anytime something isn't enough by itself to solve a problem, you should ask if you need it at all. MMA training would be a fine supplement, but not needed because of the specialized approach I teach (it's evolved quite a bit from this video). It doesn't take much strength at all because it should work for anybody. I could train a reasonably healthy grandma to do this stuff. That's leverage. (altho she might be bad at intimidating folks ha) A human's greatest weapon isn't strength, if it was we'd be gorillas or buffalo. No, our weapon is our mind. And our mind gives us incredible leverage over everything. A few hours, with a bit of force on force training, and I can have someone ready to handle violence. With a FTO (like police use) to mentor them for their first couple shifts, they're fine. MMA or strength training isn't necessary. They're a distraction and a waste of time and money unless you like doing them anyway. When I was team leader, my best guys were never the MMAers. The mmaers escalated and started fights where there were none. My best bouncers were the military folk who saw combat, paramedics, and firefighters. The reason they were the best is because they stayed cool under pressure, they could handle their adrenaline. That's something MMA doesn't directly help with unless the fight happens in a cage. So why bother with MMA at all if I can teach the key skills better than they can? Oh and ... if your approach can't handle some hair pulling, it's not very good is it? If it ever happened, I'd be fine, I'd know what to do, but nobody pulls hair as far as I've seen. ... well except for chick fights. Ha, but they only pulled each others' hair.

[@jenoconnell7358]

Swayze did it best...be nice...then Sam Elliot comes in and cleans house! 😂

[@markbooth.13]

I don't think sticking the arm out at distance to inform them to calm down or I'm kicking you out is a good idea. There are those that are trained also, and are cocky when intoxicated knowing they have tactics. Arms upfront presenting a non violent protective pose is a good idea. just from experience.

[@reecepearson7692]

If he tried kicking someone out who has a little bit of weight behind them or a bit of a fighting back ground he'd be fucked he better have back up because he's tiny and no it's not about size but believe me plays a big role in getting the big fuckers out

[@LlamaCommando]

I've kicked out plenty of bigger guys, and plenty who fought. Usually had backup but not always. Size makes a difference but so does mace and technique. Backup is preferable, not always possible.

[@jimp7173]

After over 24 year's on the doors, I'm willing to bet this guy is not a bouncer. And if he ever has done a shift on a club door. He only got it because they were very short staffed. And he only lasted two weeks.

[@LlamaCommando]

1 year as a regular team guy, 2 years as team leader, then ... 3? years after that as an alternate when I started bounty hunting and wasn't as available. Still do it on occasion for a myriad of different clubs and danger levels. If all you've got is a personal attack, why say anything? You're not helping anyone learn, you're not critiquing my approach or what I say, you're raising your hand and saying "I'm not smart enough to do anything else, so I'm just going to call you a stupid head." Go back to grade school with that.

[@jimp7173]

Victor Leading Horse What I'm saying is that you do not have the presence needed to be a professional bouncer. That is not an insult, it's just a fact. So IF a company took you on as a bouncer, I would have to question the standard of the company or the venue. And as for the fact that you became a team leader after only a year? I was a sniper in a C.O.P unit in the force's. Then I worked in various countries in security before I worked the doors. And I still took years to work up to become the head doorman in the club's. I also have always been involved in MMA, boxing aswell as fitness. So I have quite high standards. Which I'm sorry, but you wouldn't pass the first part of my interview to become a doorman.

[@LlamaCommando]

All right, show us how it's done then. Let's see your high standards, make a video for us all. How would a former sniper do it? What does a bouncer need? Suggest solutions for us to learn from instead of just pointing out problems you have with me.

[@kylethekidable]

@@jimp7173 sounds more like you just have a bad temperament and that lagged you back. This guy js undersized, but most of the basics in the video aren't wrong. I also enjoyed your laundry list of accolades that makes you think you should have the right to come into any setting and take over as head of security. A competent HoS who has a fraction of your overall experience but has a few years of that bar has the situational experience and will likely always know the bar, the crowd, and the tactics needed within it to handle the job better than you. As aggressive as you come off in text format, you're likely the type of gung ho jackass who'd beat someone and throw them out for knocking over a drink by accident. Get over yourself dude.

[@orangestoneface]

doormen push men down and fall with them and hand over head then push down hard so face hits ground , hard to prove illegal can say he just fell and hit . wonder if necessary like after one punch or if guy is outside acting bad for a while first, why not back in lock door wait for cops

[@henrydelgado9674]

xD

[@jakesellers9447]

These dudes couldn't put me out of anywhere

[@LlamaCommando]

You seem like the kinda guy who eats at weenie hut jr's.

[@jakesellers9447]

@@LlamaCommando what is that? Like Carl's jr? They make a pretty mean burger? Anyways you boys look like your bouncing at your local library. Finished cleaning your trumpet after band practice waiting for your mama to cook you dinner. I actually thought your video was supposed to be comedy. I laughed like a maniac watching it. Well done

[@LlamaCommando]

@@jakesellers9447 doesn't mean a lot coming from a weenie hut jr's goer.

[@jakesellers9447]

@@LlamaCommando where do you work?

[@LlamaCommando]

@@jakesellers9447 the salty spittoon, think it's across the street from ur mom's house.

[@russellbrooker2122]

complete waste of time, can't believe I watched this

[@LlamaCommando]

Interesting. Maybe you can show us all how it's done then?

[@DexterHaven]

Bad edit, too much dead space. This is KZbin. Get to the damn point.

[@YllwNinja82]

read a book and get an attention span