"Jiu-Jitsu Nowadays Is Much More Effective", Fabio Gurgel on Old vs Modern Jiu-Jitsu

BJJ black belt legend Fabio Gurgel talks about old school vs modern BJJ. Check out his amazing guard passing instructional www.grapplearts.com/pressure

[@downstreamlife]

So much humility and truthfulness right there, that's how masters command respect.

[@dominicanrepublic2549]

Jiu-Jitsu it's a grate sport that , every day you learn something new

[@zepolcin2412]

Professor Fabio is amazing, alliancé for life

[@danniragu7194]

Truth finally an old school guy jits evolves

[@wesdowty79]

Every technique in every martial arts has its place. There is time and place for everything.

[@jairofonseca1597]

Honesty makes him greater.

[@Rogerio.Alexander]

Great respect to Fabio Gurgel. I think he is somehow right, the level in general is better now a days. But Roger Gracie finished Buchecha, that gotta mean something.

[@Oldhandlewasabitcringe]

It says roger gracie is a sport jiu jitsu hack and collar chokes dont work in the streetz. Jk bro

[@nicocontreras5366]

The basics will always be there

[@stefanoaloise3389]

We need to understand that the fighter and the style are two separate things. Roger finished Buchecha, but this tells only that Roger fought better than Buchecha in that particularly moment. It's not an absolute proof that the "abc" is simply better than the more recent techniques. As Fabio said, there are moments that a berimbolo will be of use. A true fighter must have complete control over all of the techniques.

[@profd65]

Roger Gracie isn't old school--he maybe old compared to you but he didn't get his black belt until 2004. Gurgel is talking about the jiu-jitsu of the '90s and earlier. He's basically saying (without saying it) that Rickson Gracie's jiu-jitsu is much inferior to the jiu-jitsu of guys like Keenan Cornelius.

[@Dreaming-11]

@@profd65 He's not saying that at all. Rickson's jiu-jitsu also evolved a lot over the years (his son Kron won the ADCC beating Garry Tonon using what he learned from his father). He's not talking about fighters, he's talking about different periods of time.

[@flawlessfusionproject5430]

I'm noticing that sports like judo karate and taekwondo are going down, and others like jiu jitsu and muay thai are going up.

[@nicocontreras5366]

Not true, judo will always be big outside the US

[@flawlessfusionproject5430]

Nico Contreras since they stopped attacking legs judo has lost a lot of it's valuable techniques, and I see wrestling as more suitable for mma and self defense.

[@nicocontreras5366]

@@flawlessfusionproject5430 That´s not true, that change sucked I agree but just like Greco, Judo has a lot of value, legs attacks are not everything and it has many of the fundamental techniques BJJ has and while for MMA I´d prefer wrestling for self defense is very good.

[@oreocarlton3343]

Judo is totally under untilized in MMA, its great for clinching and low risk takedowns

[@AlexN2022]

in wrestling or MMA you take down and stay down. Great for MMA, not so great for self defense. I have never been in a 1x1 fight outside of competition. In Judo you throw and you can stay up. Which is what you want when there are more people around. For karate, US is lagging way behind. Serach KZbin for Kudo.

[@fightefx]

100% Agree

[@pedrovillelabjj3163]

he is absolutely correct

[@LucasNguyen1980]

The butt scoot is amazing now lol

[@808BJJ_Black_Belt]

💯 evolution ✅

[@randomgameschannel401]

He is telling the hurtful truth.

[@xx-ev2sq]

who is he talking about "oficina" ????

[@jims512]

I respect both of these guys tremendously, but disagree with them to some extent. I don't hear the leading voices (as I see it) in the re-emerging "self defense first" camp (think Rickson's JJGF) telling people to ignore new sports-based techniques altogether. I have a subscription to Gracie University and Rener and Ryron include a Sports Guard Chapter in the first part of the Master Cycle (road to blue belt stripe 1). Rickson claims to routinely come across black belts at seminars who can't properly escape headlocks, so to me, only one "side" is ignoring part of the art. I don't mean all sports-based schools are, but it sounds like Rickson and Dave Kama have seen enough of it and I take them at their word. Also, Prof Gurgel uses an example of an elite competitor with his open guard in a street fight scenario. I don't see that as the relevant example. We should be asking "what techniques does a 50 year old mom of four need to master given her limited resources: time, $, athletic ability, etc?" This is who Gracie JJ is supposed to primarily serve.

[@Marco-kn8rg]

Who cares about fighting on the streets, I have never fought on the street, I use a technic that is called avoiding conflict. And dont tell me sometimes people look for you im 35 already and never had a fight.

[@jims512]

@@Marco-kn8rg That's anecdotal. Plenty of people have without their choosing.

[@Marco-kn8rg]

@@jims512 there are some situations thats true but there are others you can choose not to fight and swallow your pride and thats the majority I see when a street fight takes place. Nevertheless my point is that if chances are low of that happening how can always see a beautiful art and a mean of expresión as bjj is as a self defense thing? Y dont care about that aspect, I understand some people do but on the street I would stop using my Spider guard and use other tactics

[@scarred10]

@@Marco-kn8rg self defense first should be the rule in bjj,that is not a fight,its a whole continuum of tactics designed to survive,not win when physically threatened or attacked.Theres no reason at all bjj cannot be self defense and art and sport

[@danieldunlap4077]

Fabio came to Alliance San Diego last year. He showed our school something that literally changed the way I approach passing and it was something so small. it's really not a methodology, it's just a little move but that move allows me to continuously attempt to pass when I'm caught in dela riva or when I'm standing and they've got me in a half guard variation.

[@ionutzstoica]

tell me more! :) I am often stuck into dela riva

[@arturobustamante9828]

You have to go to one of seminars or start training with one of his black belts

[@danieldunlap4077]

@@ionutzstoica I would have to make a video to show the movement

[@ONEFAITHofJESUS]

@@danieldunlap4077 please let rhe thread know if u do so.

[@TheProdigy260592]

Old school is good for mma. New school jiu jitsu for comps

[@styrofoamsoldier]

And this is coming from a real old school guy in Gurgel. It stands to reason that the top level athletes are miles ahead from the guys when Gurgel was at the top. It's all just different now and if buttscooting isn't your thing don't watch the lightweights and there won't be a lot of that, or don't watch pro jiu jitsu.

[@MrHeathcliff83]

how old are the most other arts? most about hundrets maybe thousands of years. bjj, GRACIE jiu jitsu is about what? not 100 years. its like a beatiful little DEADLY kid that has to be hugged, developed and LOVED! lets help this kid to stay one of most beautiful ARTS in the WORLD.

[@rowanbae4031]

Well essentially BJJ is old school Judo with a HEAVY emphasis on Newaza (ground fightng) which is yeah hundreds of years old. However, the techniques themselves could be up to thousands years old.

[@scarred10]

sport bjj is not beautiful to watch,its a disaster as a spectator sport,its great to practise.Also,if self defense bjj wasnt preserved by the gracie academy and the valentes,it would be almost dead in modern bjj.I would only ever train in a school that taugth defense against strikes first and then later after blue belt,sport bjj grappling.Also,basic takedown principles and sparring needs to be trained regularly.

[@anonymouse7095]

I agree and I disagree. In terms of what happens on the ground, I think that the sport has evolved. That’s pretty obvious and only a fool would deny it. It’s more effective than it used to be, and if you don’t know the new stuff, you are far behind the curve. But a lot of modern schools, including the one where I train now, do not include any of the old school self-defense techniques. My instructor knows all of that stuff, but he doesn’t teach the students how to block punches and defend against standing bear hugs and that sort of thing. I learned all of that stuff years ago, but I had to take a long break from jujitsu and have only recently started training again. My instructor is a high-level black belt, and I know that I can achieve a lot with him, but I think it’s really unfortunate that his other students will not have the opportunity to learn the traditional self-defense standing stuff.

[@arturobustamante9828]

FYI ... Gurgel’s black belts teach all those basic self defense techniques

[@anonymouse7095]

Arturo Bustamante Which is excellent. Unfortunately, my instructor, who is a high-level black belt, chooses not to do that. I don’t know why. It frustrates me.

[@arturobustamante9828]

Anony Mouse wow... that’s very unfortunate. Everyone can use those basic self defense techniques. They should be included in all BJJ school’s curriculums regardless of how competitive your school is.

[@jims512]

+Anony. You are 100% correct, my friend. The sports aspect of JJ (aside from competition, obviously) is a way for students to explore sparring and stoke theircompetitive fire while training one's ability to be accept being uncomfortable and remaining in the fight. That said, the value of all of that only exists to the extent that the student has a strong self defense base. Period.

[@muertinix]

Top wrestlers give 0 fucks about the Miyaos' guard. They will crush that inverted shit quick.

[@nicocontreras5366]

In MMA is not more effective I guess, the best is to keep an open mind.

[@garrydye2394]

You missed the point. The BJJ they are using in MMA now is light year better than the BJJ they were using 20 years ago...the difference is everyone knows BJJ now, they didn't back then.

[@nicocontreras5366]

@@garrydye2394 That´s true but another good reason is that in many schools guys get to advanced belts without knowing the basics of BJJ for a more realistic setting but they are experts in many crazy guards and moves. The fundamentals are still there though.

[@errcoche]

Wurd!!!

[@martialmusicman]

Gracies triggered

[@profd65]

Gracies invented it, bitch.

[@celinhobjj]

I TOTALLY DESGARRE ‼️ ROGER GRACE shows for everyone how’s the difference between foundations to fancy movements.