American Reacts to Everything You Know About "Blue Monday" Is Probably Wrong!

[@drwoo6090]

I’m 61, and remember going to the Hacienda, early 1990s and was my first nightclub experience…was teetotal for years, so was designated driver. Drove from Nottingham to Manchester, and back! I was almost falling asleep! One of my friends kept talking to me, to keep me awake. She would ask silly questions to make me laugh! 4 women crammed on the backseat, all very drunk, and snoring away! Good times! ❤

[@niallrussell7184]

"feel of cash in their pocket".. actually made me chuckle when you know about Factory/Hacienda epicness.

[@janolaful]

@@niallrussell7184 I think they got an out of court settlement for money they were owed,

[@tdurb0]

@@niallrussell7184 I thought Factory and the Hacienda were permanently on the verge of total collapse. Every week. For years. That’s how I remember it anyway. The feel of cash in their pocket was literally that amount, a few quid in loose change 😂 No shits given at all 😎

[@niallrussell7184]

@@tdurb0 They were a black hole for anything New Order earned. I was supposed to go to Hacienda for a student night in late 90s, but got fucked up and didn't make it. 50p a pint in Manchester poly union. Would have loved have seen NO or Stone Roses playing there.

[@tdurb0]

@ Perfect reply 👏🏻👏🏻 I’m sure that every NME would have something about that they’re screwed if the next project, artist, album, single, flopped. And that’s way way before ‘Madchester’ Current number of claimants to say ‘they were at the Roses/Mondays/Smiths gig there’ is approx 1,639,026. Quite an attendance for such a little place 😂 Can you remember when it all turned to shit because people were taking guns in there. Even to Glastonbury: people were shooting people there as well 😔

[@go-nogo1475]

Read the book on it: "How NOT to run a Club" by their bassist, Peter Hook. It's a wild ride!

[@garethm3242]

As a songwriter and DIY home producer of my own stuff I'm increasingly enjoying your deep dives into iconic songs and their development.

[@Jacob_Junge]

Bono was a huge fan of Ian Curtis and Joy Division, and his comments about picking up the mantle wasn't an attempt to mock them for losing their singer, but a promise to keep a style of music alive if they couldn't go on after Curtis' death.

[@Floyd1138]

The movie '24 hour party people' - the story of Factory Records and their bands and the rise of Madchester starring steve coogan and andy sirkis is an under rated masterpiece. Well worth a watch

[@mej6519]

he needs to watch "control" before he gets into 25 hour party people.

[@PUNKinDRUBLIC72]

They took too long to chop up the cola in that film though!

[@paul.kristoff]

Mick Hucknall's favourite movie!

[@communication001]

You might find that film is where all the myths got perpetuated I don't know.

[@Floyd1138]

@@communication001 When forced to pick between truth and legend, print the legend. - Tony Wilson.

[@garethm3242]

"I think Doctor Rhythm might've gotten his degree from a community college" 😆

[@tapunyr8526]

I was 17 when I got into Joy Division and then later New Order. Thank you SO much for doing this reaction video ❤

[@katherinethompson4500]

Blue Monday is iconic for people from Manchester- saw them around shopping 😊

[@nicw5574]

I thought this is early, but then I remembered our clocks went back an hour yesterday 😂

[@britishknightakaminininja1123]

To really understand what was going on with New Order around those times, you *have* to understand the complex but airtight connections with Factory Records, and the famous club the Hacienda, because the finances of all three are completely interwoven, and each influences all the other parts. The BBC did a couple of entire documentaries about it, one focused specifically on Factory Records (the label) and the other specifically about The Hacienda (the Manchester nightclub). It is a rabbit-hole worth diving into, though the documentaries themselves are around an hour each, so probably not something for a reaction video (although it could make for a fun live-stream perhaps). The story is legendary, fascinating, and explains so, so much.

[@VeritySnatch]

ive got Joy Division oven gloves

[@fayesouthall6604]

🙌🤣

[@stevecampbell9686]

Comment of the day

[@oufc90]

That’s awesome, I wish I had some. Unknown pleasures

[@Broken-Silencer]

Friend of mine made a pair.

[@Escapee5931]

I'm hoping to get a football shirt for Christmas - something central European...

[@marcovtjev]

G. Moroder wrote and produced Donna Summer's "I feel Love", which makes it slightly more than just Euro Disco.

[@gracefuller9981]

I really enjoy your connection with music, you point things out. Makes me listen differently Thanks JJ

[@lesh4357]

Kylie at the Brits was a mash up, it wasn't ripping BM off, it was acknowledged. The torch / flashlight thing is a programmable ROM chip. EEPROMs are Electrically Erasable Programmable Read Only Memory chips. But some were erasable by light, they had a window on the top of the chip. They should have kept it covered until they wanted to erase the contents. I bought the original. You need to listen to the OG - position yourself in the rooms sweet spot and play on full volume beginning to end. Failing that, the best headphones you have. Favorite New Order songs - Blue Monday, Regret, True Faith. (during World Cup - World in Motion)

[@BadMoonandStars]

One of my all time favourites. Forget the 7", you have to listen to the 12" version as you need the full build up. My brain can't get enough of it!

[@AlexByth]

Luckily, it's very easy to ignore the 7" since there wasn't one.

[@BadMoonandStars]

@@AlexByth 😆 well the shortened version then!

[@joannetyndall3625]

Proud owner of this 12 inch.No longer have any way to play it,but I'd not part with it x

[@AmethystDew]

Same here. I own a very old Marantz stacking unit so it still gets an outing. The neighbours 'love' it (not)!!!!🤣

[@scotmax8426]

blue monday was a massive moment. and yes, it makes you move to the dancefloor.

[@MrStephenLodge]

Because of you I follow Trash theory first thing I watched was about synth and was shocked on how early it started. The best one I have watched so far to me was Adam Ant who I had always dismissed as a novelty act.

[@conkersbadfurday356]

The first 12" single I bought was blue monday in 1983 when I was 13, a couple of years later I seen them live at the hacienda, by then I had caught up with all the joy division and earlier new order stuff. Still my favourite band and as a born and bred manc and city fan I love it when we play ' love will tear us apart' taunting opposition fans with the chant ' city tearing you apart again ' 💙😁

[@titanium_di2402]

Hello 👋🏽 my fellow Cityzen!!

[@delskioffskinov]

Really enjoyed this one JJ! maybe one day you could look into the Frankie Goes To Hollywood scandal, a famous 80's band from Liverpool and their recording nightmare that made one of the biggest selling UK albums of the decade! Produced by Trevor Horn of the Buggles fame!

[@GazGaryGazza]

28:25 I’ll name that tune in 1,720 seconds … well done JJ 😂😂

[@nicw5574]

I love both Blue Monday and Sylvester's You Make Me Feel (Mighty Real) and never connected them before. Thanks for sharing this, I really enjoy hearing all the technical side, hope you're well 😀

[@wulfgold]

You should dig into Giorgio Moroder, I'm not a huge "fan" but, damn - the guy's impact on music is legendary. Bono's fairly consistently been a Grade-A cjunt (Nordic spelling). My mate hung himself when he was 25. There's no correct way to grieve, but you're right - there's a big difference between an older person passing and a younger one and perhaps a bigger difference when someone takes their own life. None of them are easy, but perhaps with an elderly relative/friend/person there can be a sense of them having a "complete" life. On a more positive note - I know a couple singers that will only use their "personal mic" at rehersals/gigs because they're not putting their mouth against something someone else has spat into - or (obviously) worse 🤣

[@susangarvey9415]

My daughter was murdered 14 years ago aged 24, my hair went grey overnight, it's shit outliving your own child❤

[@wulfgold]

@@susangarvey9415 jesus. There's nothing I can say that won't seem ~crass, but I hope you can still find something, some meaning in the world. There's no "getting over" loss, just learning to live with it. "Grief is love perservering" + it's from a cheesey source, but I think that's the best I've heard it put. *Virtual hug*

[@mattstacyandthepomskies]

I point blank refused to use anything other than the two Sure mics I carried in a case to every rehearsal or gig, for exactly the reason you said. Spit.

[@titanium_di2402]

​@@susangarvey9415 bless you and your family and your little girl. Sending tranquility, smiles (as often as you're able), & some love too. xx

[@vaudevillian7]

Everything’s Gone Green is a great song, I’d advise listening to the full thing. They still wanted the Punk DIY feel to what they did

[@Ade2bee]

I just wrote that above, beginning to end is how you should listen to all new order tracks

[@FullwellMill-w4k]

Yep. I was getting very annoyed. You meed to listen to more than 2 secs of a track to make a judgement. 🤨

[@memkiii]

@@Ade2bee It will be quite a journey. Probably best to book a week off work.

[@s.collintuck3227]

This was fun! And your voice is so comforting.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

You think that making the song is like a science experiment... You need to react to a documentary on Delia Derbyshire and how she created music... You will be astounded and befuddled at the same time.

[@mej6519]

oh lord , you had to look up what a 12 inch record was...

[@milton1969able]

POI- Steven Morris who was one of the first to really get into useing drum machine is in fact known as 'the Human drum machine' due to his solid, machine like abilty to drum really fast precise beats.

[@phill1228]

Listen to Halleluwah by Can, Steve and I used to listen to this and others at his mums house back in the early seventies. Jaki Liebezeit was a human drum machine :-)

[@TheAzguardThor]

Still got the original 12" up in ther loft somewhere, I still forget how good those times were. Peace 2 all

[@AlexByth]

Shocked you'd never heard of Giorgio Moroder. You've heard of Donna Summer at least, right? They worked closely together on a string of great records from 1975 to 1980. You must have heard a few...

[@Ade2bee]

You’ve got to listen to the whole of the 12 inch of everything is gone green, an amazing track

[@sameebah]

What I know about "this groove automaton" is that I picked my copy up in Manchester on the day it came out, and it has been a favourite 'pre night out' spin ever since.

[@JackMellor498]

7:08 That is basically what happened with Depeche Mode Vince Clarke had left who was their main organiser, the member of the band who did the most direction if you will, and the group recorded one album as a trio. But then they brought on Alan Wilder who was something of a secret weapon. He was classically trained on piano, and when the group asked him to audition for the band, they asked him to perfectly recreate synth patches of their prior songs, and he got it dead on. He kinda scared them with his keyboard talent. He was very accomplished and brought a whole new perspective to Depeche Mode, one which took them to arena stardom a few years later.

[@dankilgariff867]

New order are one of my favourite old bands, saw them headline at Reading festival in 1989, still get tingles remembering Bernie’s Melodica at the opening of your silent face 🥰

[@titanium_di2402]

"old bands"???

[@dankilgariff867]

Well they’re hardly a new up and coming act lol

[@ruanaich]

I was there too. Still got the tape bootleg which later digitised.

[@dometick]

"Bet they liked all the money in their pocket" you say at the end. The New Order story is retold in Peter Hooks 'How not to run a nightclub' book. They basically financed the Hacienda nightclub in Manchester UK in the 80's, a huge money losing influence in the rave scene and each member personally struggled financially. The story is both brilliant and amazing and n attempt was made to tell the story in the film '24hr party people'. Enjoy your videos, but man, where have you been???!!! You need to look up 'Tony Wilson', the genius behind all of it

[@malcolmgordon2988]

Would thoroughly recommend the two books written by Stephen Morris about Joy Division (Record Play Pause) and New Order (Fast Forward)… particularly the audio books which are narrated by the man himself… he’s got a brilliant sense of humour!

[@tdurb0]

Joy Division were incredible. And from an awful tragedy came New Order.

[@thebag1981]

You should check out Synth Britannia, it’s all on KZbin, a BBC documentary about the history of British synth bands

[@vaudevillian7]

Just typed this too, hadn’t seen your comment

[@thebag1981]

@ everyone should

[@sameebah]

Definite recommendation to everyone to check out Nouvelle Vague.

[@nolaj114]

The Sunkist ad thing reminds me of when Status Quo did a supermarket ad here in Australia.with new lyrics over "Down down, deeper and down.." that went "Down, down, prices are down.." cringe 😅😅😅

[@andyvarley9439]

Good react, thanks. A suggestion to watch would be ‘Synth Brittania’, originally shown on BBC4. It depicts the rise of electronic music in the UK; Human League in Sheffield, OMD in Liverpool to Depeche Mode in Basildon.

[@VeritySnatch]

microprocessors can be wiped by shining a light on them. you dont see the ones with a window (for that purpose) so often nowadays but they used to be common for home electronics as they could be easily programmed and wiped depending on the job

[@steveparkes]

Eproms that is not microprocessors, erased with UV light. Not sure a kit built drum machine in the early 80s would have either (they tend to go together) but another candidate is an opto isolator which would be useful in analogue drum circuits. I speak as a software guy who sometimes abuses hardware as a hobby not an expert though.

[@nickharman4584]

True Faith is one of my all time favourites. Bernard Sumner later teamed up with Johnny Marr of The Smiths to form Electronic and Neil Tennant (Pet Shop Boys) lent his vocals both backing (Getting away with it) and lead (Disappointed, another of my top favourites)

[@lillired857]

12" singles were common back then

[@gazztracker]

Hope you dont mind but i got a Tshirt made with "SHOW ME ON THE MAP" It always makes me laugh when I hear you say that.

[@mynameispaul0530]

The song "Ecstasy" off Power, Corruption and Lies album was so far ahead of its time.

[@kchodron406]

You should check out the Orchestra Obsolete cover of this on KZbin. They play it on authentic 1930s instruments. It's amazing & quite spooky. I never tire of watching it.

[@MadcapShambleton]

It's so good.

[@HubertRawlinson]

My favourite cover of all time!

[@Nige1146]

Wow just realised I get every video of yours as soon as it uploads, thinking I have notifications on or something! Turns out I'm not even subscribed! Good old KZbin algorithm lol.

[@JackMellor498]

9:16 Nope, Ceremony when released as New Order’s debut single, had Bernard on vocals, Curtis had sung it on the few recordings that do survive, but his singing was really muted and you couldn’t make it out so well. And because too Curtis had never transcribed the lyrics to the song, Bernard in recording his own vocals had to put them through a graphic equalizer to approximate the lyrics.

[@peterwooldridge7285]

Well, i think the theme from the UK spy series, "The Sandbagger" is probably significant influence

[@vaudevillian7]

I hadn’t thought about that before

[@Kevvinm]

I went to one of their shows that had a riot. August 2 1985, in Boston at the Opera House. They played about 50 minutes, no encore. The crowd was not too happy and smashed up seats and some of their equipment.

[@CosminDuru]

Giorgio Moroder is responsible for one of the greatest revolutions in music history, producing Donna Summer's 'I feel love' in 1977 almost entirely on a Moog synthesizer. This was a pure electronic track that used a plugged-in weird machine to generate sounds, and transcended the barrier, went from alien experimental sounds (that were usually associated with synthesizers at that time) straight to the dancefloor. I measure 1977 as the year 0 of electronic music (with G. Moroder and Kraftwerk's TEE)

[@Love42se]

One of the first 12-inches I bought, along with Safety Dance and Vamos A La Playa that were playing in dance places at the time

[@RabidJohn]

While Joy Division were punk inspired, they weren't a punk band. Their producer, Martin Hannett, added keyboards to just about all their tracks, so they always had a unique sound. Kylie Minogue's 'Can't get you out of my head' was illegally mashed-up with 'Blue Monday' and played in clubs. Her performing it live at the Brits is a testament to how big it had become. It's the same intervals because it is actually 'Blue Monday' as the backing track.

[@steveparkes]

I used to know a girl who had been flown around the world by Prince to act as a chaperone to her friend who he decided was a muse. I don't know why he thought it was more nobal to have two girls on call rather than one. I only met the muse once she was a totally ordinary girl of about 21 of Palestinian or Lebanese decent. The friend was more interesting. She just always seemed to be in the right place at the right time and full of stories but being an aspiring guitarist, I just wanted to hear about Prince and his recording. The Tenant story I can relate to. Both Suede and Elasticas albums had songs so close to stuff I was working on it broke my heart. There was a photo of Liam Payne in the media when he passed using the same desk I used 20 years before in a college class run by my old guitar teacher to record those demos on an 8 track for free.

[@ladylove3636]

What an incredible top 3 that week in '88 Perfect S'express & Blue Monday Iconic x

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

Most of the early synth acts built their own kit. An assembled a low end 2nd hand synth would cost the same the 2nd hand Van they would use to get them to a gig! But for the same amount of cash they could buy several kits. They were very basic in capability and not that reliable, damp air (like from a smoke machine) could send a synth "out of tune", yes synths could go out of tune back then, the settings no longer making the same sounds they did in the studio.

[@janolaful]

Blue monday and true faith are 2 of my favourite, all born in salford like happy Monday's infact shaun was born little hulton and we sound nothing like manchester lol 😆

[@nolaj114]

Giorgio by Moroder is a Daft Punk song. His name is familiar to me because of the song from a movie "Together in Electric Dreams" sung by my then heart-throb, Phil Oakey, from Human League.

[@KC-gy5xw]

I ADORE Daft Punk.. their collabs are legend.

[@BonkersAboutAlice]

Manchester in the 80's. I was there, right there. It was fun. Nobody really knew how big it would all become but we all knew it was special.

[@mana3735]

me too.

[@stevebradley704]

Aye.

[@helenc1693]

Bizarre love triangle is my favourite New Order song. I have the 12 inch of blue Monday, unfortunately i don't have a record player to play it on, have asked Santa for one.

[@louisetaylor354]

My favourite too!

[@tjsmcr]

Bono told Wilson that IC was the greatest front man of his generation and that he was the second greatest. He also said he'd go out and do it for IC. Bono had met IC and JD when U2 visited them at Britannia Row when they were recording Closer.

[@m-arky66]

Still have the 12" I bought on release, on Blue vinyl. Dont really like the 88 re mix, some things are best left alone!

[@Jrf-1884]

I've never seen a version in blue vinyl, where/when did you get it? I can't find any reference to this version anywhere. I bought the original version twice, after I wore out the first copy. I drove my dad mad playing it at full volume in my bedroom, he hated it. A few years later at a wedding he was one of the first to get up and dance to it...

[@m-arky66]

@@Jrf-1884 I think it was the Debenhams music dept in the basement of the Wigan store. I dont think they knew what it was at the time and I met someone who said he had it on red vinyl too, but I may have misheard him, it was a busy bar at the time. But I had no reason to doubt it at 18yo.

[@ChelseaPensioner-DJW]

Loved the slivers of Acid quote, I've heard that the US, Britain and France got together to make acid only prescription, as it opened up parts of the mind or enhanced what your brain already used, I remember watching cars drive by at night with the lights following through as if your eyes had been onto a slow shutter speed, also getting deeply lost in the colours of frost. But what was scary for the three governments was students could listen to their coursework on tape and remember everything, and were passing exams left right and centre. Classic reaction was to ban acid because it's hard to control educated people, even if they were off their nuts.😂

[@jasonwebb7978]

If he's locking himself in a room with a gram of coke.... That's active aggression.

[@AshedotBob]

I wonder if what Bono meant was replacing Joy Division on the tour that was already booked in the US. That would have been a major headache for Factory Records. I find it hard to believe that someone would be so callous.

[@vaudevillian7]

The greatest selling 12” single of all time. You should watch 24 Hour Party people too…

[@vaudevillian7]

The Grant Gee documents on Joy Division is amazing

[@mattstacyandthepomskies]

True Faith is the most perfect New Order song in existence. It somehow is uplifting and at the same time pulls on the heart strings. But at surface level it’s just a pop song.

[@Ade2bee]

Peter Huke and Sumner did the vocals which hadn’t been recorded properly on the joy division track

[@55tranquility]

I don't how true this is but I've seen an interview with Bernard where he says Kraftwerk were asking him how they did the snare on Blue Monday and he said 'I've got the DAT you can have it' and they said 'no we want to know how you made the snare' they wanted to know exactly how they got the sound and not just borrow it - Kraftwerk are know to be absolute perfectionists! I don't have a problem with cover versions, but I have not heard a cover of Blue Monday I have even remotely like - i'm like why bother, you can't improve it and who wants to hear an acoustic version of the track with some singer warbling the lyrics or an industrial/techno cover thats been bashed out in pro tools with a metal vocal - its just dreadful, they all sound really bad imo.

[@gwaptiva]

I always thought Depeche Mode's "I just Can't Get Enough" was the OG 12", and up there for sales.

[@vaudevillian7]

It’s replayed rather than sample, the video played Hooky’s bass line over the film footage essentially

[@jamesstridgen6320]

The song it’s got to be perfect by fairground attraction you did a small piece off. The singer Eddie Reader has an amazing voice and is up there with Annie Lennox as one of Britons all time best

[@vaudevillian7]

There’s a great little BBC documentary called Synth Britannia, well worth a watch

[@LAD907]

🎵 Blueberry Hill

[@vaudevillian7]

Giorgio Moroder is amazing

[@TonyG-gk7qr]

Have a listen to Kylie Minogue “Can’t get you out of my head X Blue Monday. It’s pretty cool 😊

[@mana3735]

New Order were like beauty from chaos.

[@trashandcheese3636]

(1) The musicus-interruptus anecdote reminded me (predictably) of when the Cocteau Twins appeared on the TV show The Tube in 1983 - during the song Musette & Drums there's a one-second gap in the sound resulting from someone kicking a power cable which disrupted the feed to the live broadcast unit. (2) I don't believe for an instant that JJLA had never heard of either the great Ennio Morricone or the not great George Malodorous. I don't believe he'd not heard the Sylvester song either - it's become such a cliched representation of "disco". (3) Blue Monday - iconic isn't the word, it's one of those songs you will hear in every single TV show or film set in the 1980s. The Welsh Miners Choir version is hilarious.

[@Ade2bee]

Power corruption and lies seminalWork I love that album

[@AncientBriton1948]

If you're interested in 12" singles possibly the best club record was Soft Cells Tainted Love where the title track and the 'B' side 'Where did our love go' merge in the middle. Having been a DJ and working in Benidorm Spain in 81 this was a floor filler and gave time for bathroom/bar or arranging late night entertainment with holiday making ladies, probably should have kept that bit to myself 🇬🇧

[@mana3735]

It would be worth watching 24 Hour Party People about Tony Wilson and Factory Records. btw...the best Blue Monday cover was the Nouvelle Vague version.

[@andysadler6432]

24 hour party people Movie is a must watch you will love it. im confused how a sound engineer does not know moroder, were you strictly working on rock music cos moroder is the basics of sound engineering knowledge when working on anything electronic

[@vaudevillian7]

You should look into the Haçienda too

[@m-arky66]

Went there a few times with workmates, a few was enough. F me, what an eyeopener !

[@PaulHaigh072]

My experience of that place was more Pornhub than KZbin 😂

[@sugarynugs]

some guy mistake me for Morris on Facebook because I have the same name although I think stephen is spelled differently but I do look like him

[@mattstacyandthepomskies]

Anyone else a fan of Rock Star Ate My Hamster will understand why I am referencing it here, specifically the chart run down haha.

[@Ky...like_the_jelly]

Have no idea how to send messages on youtube so I'll comment. Can you react to a song please? "Ren Hi Ren" It's oddly captivating, and essentially a theatrical piece, 1 person arguing with his own demons, voicing both.

[@sbjchef]

A truly genre busting group who I think gave punk an intellectual edge. We need an autobiographical vlog (and your health secrets) because you look far too young to know about the eighties the way you do and I came of age in the eighties, hearing these the first time around.😆

[@Spacecookie-]

Hey that interval... popcorn?

[@andysutcliffe3915]

If you’ve ever seen Blade you’ll instantly recognise one new order track, confusion.

[@AlexByth]

Even if you're familiar with the New Order track, you'd be doing well to recognise it from the remix in Blade.

[@acetuned5242]

24 hour party people is a great film and very funny but if u want to know more about factory records and the night club hasiender it's well worth a watch

[@ArnoldLokman]

Seems to me that I'm "gonna party" with Ian Curtis by the end of this year. Do you have some message to send?

[@leew6091]

Nouvelle Vague do some of the finest covers of different songs.

[@thabudmaster]

cant say I'm a fan of New Order but that was pretty interesting stuff

[@vurttv6415]

Even kate bush did the sampling of farts when she used the emulator.

[@Jimthehumanoid]

RIP Quincy Jones

[@milton1969able]

18 seconds and first :D still blows up our Demented Disco nights.

[@nolaj114]

10:50pm where I am.. what time where you are?

[@milton1969able]

@@nolaj114 15:04

[@milton1969able]

@@nolaj114 You in Aus?

[@nolaj114]

​@@milton1969able Yes.. W.A. 😊

[@milton1969able]

@@nolaj114 Lucky you just about to go into Summer eh. Rather jealous ha

[@scottneil1187]

You do know Blue Monday and how it sounds, even if you don't think you do. There are unborn babies that already know it!.

[@memkiii]

I paid for a ticket to see Joy Division at Reading Uni way back. I think I probably paid about £2 but certainly not much more than that. Due to un-forseen events though, I got to see New Order.... Both were the best thing to come out of Manchester, (with the exception of the Buzzcocks perhaps). Yes... I'm old. I saw U2 in '79 They were not exactly world famous at that point, having just released their first album, so there might be some truth to that story.... Except that it came from Tony Wilson... Who sometimes played a little fast & loose with "facts". . PS The bit about Dr Rhythm on Everything's gone green". It was deliberately made to sound that way. Not sloppy.