JKD vs JKD Concepts

[@gmartinez5760]

Bruce Lee said “ Absorb what is useful. Reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own”. It doesn’t matter what school of thought in JKD you come from everyone is correct. The Original JKD guys stick strictly to what Bruce Lee taught and don’t deviate from it, this is what was taught at the Seattle school. Then you have the JKD concepts guys what Bruce Lee taught Dan Inosanto is the second stage of evolution Bruce Lee was exploring for himself. This was taught in the Oakland school. Then you have the functional JKD guys in which Bruce Lee was applying the concepts and principles of JKD to street combat. This was the final stage of evolution for Bruce Lee in JKD before he past away. This was taught in his last school in Los Angeles. Everyone’s JKD will be different.

[@timandrews1574]

These guys teach the final stage and have added wrestling as well. They rock.

[@bruhmoment3731]

now I wanna learn from them even more

[@zetareticulan321]

@Wolfgang Mao Zedong said it before Bruce, and someone said it before him.

[@axelstone3131]

This is wrong. You take Bruce principles and continue to refine and find more efficient ways. You don’t keep adding. You have an inherent misunderstanding of what JKD is. No. Everyone isn’t “correct” this is why JKD is such a mess. Because of this misunderstanding of take whatever works and make it your own. That’s mma. Not jkd. I guess your idea of JKD is aikido mixed with Muay Thai.

[@dannydevito4899]

Bruce never said that inosanto made that inosanto has confused everybody oh I want Chinese food and get served pizza hmm

[@thedude4795]

Having attended (the late, great) Ted Wong seminars, known a very close friend and student of Ted, and so forth, the politics thing is getting tiresome. If somebody wants to learn Ted Wong-lineage JKD then there are dozens of "certified" instructors, and many others who worked much with Ted, keeping the "tricks" that Bruce figured out alive. I don't care if somebody trains JKD "Concepts", better for me as an opponent. Like Teds friend said "maybe they could've only called it Concepts and left out the JKD part" but it seems like in the past six-seven years that time has shifted perspectives and placed a much higher demand on what one may call "Jeet Kune Do". Part in thanks to Linda Lee and the Bruce Lee Foundation, and people like Ted Wong who kept their integrity throughout the years. Yu bai!

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

Actually, there are very few instructors certified by Sifu Ted Wong and I happen to be very fortunate enough to be one of the instructors certified by him.This isn't about lineage but instead it is about staying true to the art, adhering to its core principles and practicing it the way Bruce intended it to be. You can clearly see by going through Bruce's notes that there is a structure to the art and it is not simply a mixing of different styles, as concepts would have you beleive

[@thedude4795]

+NYMartialArtsAcademy 21 is still closer to 24 than 12. You go ahead and "stay true to the art, adhere to its principles" and I will go ahead and live my life, and if I where to be so unwise than to defend myself with force, then I will utilize whatever is necessary, rather than worry about the "structure of the art". By the way, if you search KZbin for "MMA footwork" you will see the step-and-slide. It is good to enjoy the fruit, even if oneself didn't grow it. Have a good day. Adam.

[@anthonyallen3328]

Look let me break it down to you like this. When you first start off you should learn Jun Fan as the basics why? kick boxing , clinch, and grappling. Once you have learned Jun Fan as your base then you go and explore other arts to add to your game to make you better. Let say I finished traing in Jun fan so I need a ground game for self-defense so I learn Gracie bjj. See the problem is no body is learning Jun Fan first. They are going straight to JKD philosophy first which makes people who are not well rounded cut corners and start adding arts together to make there own jkd but really they end up being a classical mess. Again you need the basics of kicking boxing, clinch and ground first then go and explore other arts to create your own. Now if I do it the other way around and do JKD first instead of Jun Fan ( or mma) you end up adding a lot of trash and dont have functional skills in Kickboxing or ground. So I start adding an art to my belt that its strength is in clinch but yet Im not even good in clinch range. Thats the root of the problem with most martial artist they are not well rounded from the start to have a foundation. Thats why you see a lot of people learning those weekend warrior self-defense methods because its less time and less work. Being well rounded is a process of development and time investested to develop real skill. You see the product in Bruce Lee skills. They were skills that he took time to develop in his basics. Thats why he could kick box, clinch and do a little grappling see ( Enter the Dragon ) it shows you how he evolved in his prime. Thats why we have two groups instead of one whole. One group is stuck with just the basics but is not doing there own jkd after there basics then the other group is adding different arts with out being well rounded from the start so that put them in more theory then be functional in sparring. Thats what it has become a classical mess which is why everyone does MMA now so they do not have to be caught in politics with the two groups.

[@blackenskatography9928]

Well Jun Fan gung fu is Jun Fan gung fu, JKD is JKD, Bruce's had scrap away Jun Fan gung fu ever since the fight after wong jack man, yes in the beginning of original JKD still have a lot of Jun Fan gung fu thingy such as chi sao, fong sao & etc which u can see in the Jerry Poteet sect but in the middle development of JKD Bruce's try to explore a lot of other art to further develop JKD which looks like MMA where u can see in the dan Inosanto sect of JKD which still not well develop yet, then we can see the latest development of JKD from Bruce's which strongly emphasis of simple, direct & non classical, through economic of motion aka longest weapon to nearest target & strong side forward, 5 way of attack & use more of fencing, jack dempsey period of boxing tiny little of wing chun but scrap away the chi sao & fong sao for the sake of interception as he felt fencing, boxing tiny little of wing chun will strongly help for interception as he stop believing in adding style which u can see in the ted wong sect, even though he against style but if u add thing in u must cut the classical mess out to simplify it for interception base on economic of motion the what Bruce's mean for "simplicity" without classical mess which i only can see this through Tommy Carruther sect.

[@timandrews1574]

Anthony Allen These guys are legit. I watched them in the Astoria location. Big glass windows and they spar right in front.

[@axelstone3131]

This is another fundamental misunderstanding. Jun fan isn’t JKD. JKD is a completely separate martial art.

[@johnhinojosa3916]

It's pretty cut and dry, Bruce Lee told Jerry Poteet that Jeet Kune Do could not be mixed with any other art. Why would that not apply to Dan Inosanto ? It did, it applied to anyone trying to mix arts with his science based art of JKD. This is why Dan Inosanto only started teaching after Bruce died. He didn't have permission to teach 20 something arts, and attatch Jeet Kune Do to the name. People say this is arguing politics, but those who train the principals, not concepts as Inosanto calls them, get tired of lies being spread globally. Bruce Lee would not have gone the route Inosanto went, plain and simple, he was a thinking man, he didn't have to learn 20 somwtging arts ... he was interested in simple, efficient movement, to shut any art down !

[@AdamOuissellat]

Nowadays you have to know more than what bruce taught, because mma has developed. Guys now know how to choke, kick, take down etc. I think the best example of JKD modernised is Paul Vunak. He really developed it into a clear system for street defence.

[@therealawakener7]

Well said John, those who know better need to speak out more about fraudulent JKD.

[@johnhinojosa3916]

@ AdamOuissellat , you've never seen real Jeet Kune Do, or you would not think that way. What Vunak and JKD Concept instructors have done is not more efficient than what Bruce Lee was doing in 73'. People today are just lazy, and MMA & JKD Concepts are taught for the masses. Knowing chokes and takedowns are irrelevent when someone skilled, kicks you in the knees, nuts and thrusts their fingers in your eyes, from different angles with speed and power. This can be done close, medium & long range. MMA cannot compete with this ... look at what stops every MMA fight ... kick to the groin, fingers in the eyes. MMA only proves my point. JKD Concepts does not teach Bruce's low line or medium kicks properly, because Dan Inosanto wasn't comfortable with them he said, nor does it properly teach Bruce's punching / hand tools. You like so many, speak about things you don't understand. You don't comprehend the body mechanics or the principals behind JKD Concepts or MMA ... you certainly don't understand what Bruce Lee was working on in 1973.

[@AdamOuissellat]

John Hinojosa "real JKD"? You're stuck in a box. I guarantee Paul Vunak would wipe the floor with any "real jkd" guy. Why? Because he has so many options. The groin kick doesn't always work, same with the eye strikes. If you get pounced and choked from behind you need to know what to do. If you slip on the street you need to have enough ground skill that you can get back up. If you are in a tight space and something happens etc etc etc. The groin kick and all the other technical strikes are best used as entries. They give you the few seconds to come in and control the situation. Whether that means locking/controlling, or blitzing the opponent. You are one of the many close minded people who think JKD is a set of techniques. It is a philosophy first and foremost which applies to life. Form without form, style without system etc. Contraction and expansion works in every situation in life, not just fighting. Bruce was a philosopher.

[@angrychickin]

@John Hinojosa. False. Bruce Lee passed the art to Guro Dan and only Guro Dan (as his favorite out of the three), allowing only him to continue cultivating the art as an instructor. On top of that, it was Bruce Lee's wish that the art be adjusted and modified as the student/instructor sees fit to adapt with the times. The whole point of JKD was that it be malleable while following the principles of efficacy, i.e, the opposite of what you're saying.

[@CBHDK59]

in one of his videos the man said clinching is also trapping. I wonder where he got that idea.

[@rogercain5622]

Wrong. He stated explicitly that he didn’t expect others to copy HIS JKD. Free your mind and create your own path within the conceptual parameters.

[@anthonycasey5269]

Bruce lee is turning in his grave over the concepts jkd is about moving away from the classical mess dan Inasontos students have wrecked it mixing the arts and calling it jkd .jkd has become a joke around the martial arts world its a mixed mess and this trapping there's nothing simple and direct and that bruce had moved away from that and 2023 there still slapping hands in a real fight a guy is not going to punch at you slow so you can grab his hand simplicity is key in jkd

[@rogercain5622]

You need periods

[@dub3140]

Here y’all go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqa8opeJmrKcmsk I get what he is saying and he is correct. You have to take the base of JKD and then incorporate other arts (based on the individual) in the most minimalistic way possible. That’s why he gave Dan the green light.

[@MichaelHaddad-wf1wn]

With JKD Concepts spreading around, it's hard to find a good teacher these days.

[@taiwu35]

Look the Bottom line is that Bruce Lee is Gone !been Gone since 73" and people are still saying that they have the correct JKD ! JKD Died with Bruce! what people are getting now is what Bruce Lee taught them ! the System of JKD wasn't even finish he had Closed down all his school's and through pressure of what Bruce taught when he died to he's students! the people wanted to learn what he taught them ! so Came Into existence! concepts and Original JKD and I Bet none of the Instructor's come close to Bruce Lee skills or physical level ! I think it's Become more like a McDonald franchise! something Bruce Lee didn't want!

[@timandrews1574]

You’re crazy lol.

[@taiwu35]

@@timandrews1574 True tho !!!

[@francoismorin8721]

Summing it up nicely.

[@QuinnBoone]

Develop yourself as an individual! If jkd or concepts isn't for you. Discard it. Wasnt the whole premise about fixed patterns? About ridged structures? Jkd was Bruce's, concepts are just that, not Bruce's so technically not jkd. The human, the philosophy is more important that anything imo....

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

quinn boone Yes in JKD we believe the individual is more important than any style or system. It’s our job yo take the moves and ideas. We have to make them ours.

[@dannydevlin5025]

I went to jkd seminars for 20 years from 1985 only to get taught Kali silat and Thai wasted all that time training stuff not associated with jkd

[@timandrews1574]

These guys seems to be fixing that.

[@viewsbydrone5313]

Training Thai ain’t a bad thing. Unless it was delivered in long sequences typical JKD concepts style. 16 strike combinations etc.😆

[@timandrews1574]

Views by drone Yup 4 counts work just fine.

[@TomBleecker]

The people who have studied JKD for decades have had these moves, principles, and concepts far longer than Bruce had them. So where are the champions?

[@Markperna1]

Excellent point. It’s almost as if, without Bruce Lee’s amazing attributes, it’s really not that great of a martial art.

[@thejanitorssweeps5883]

Non of the martial arts are great there are only great fighters who become great only because they work harder than everyone else.

[@BruceLeeManMythLegend]

Joe Lewis? And who says they have any interest in competition?

[@TomBleecker]

@@BruceLeeManMythLegend Joe Lewis was a black belt long before he worked out with Bruce. And, yes, few JKD practitioners have any interest in competition of any kind, which begs the question how do they know how effective they might be in a real fight?

[@PAUL_BAX3]

Who is that talking?

[@GuroDon]

Jeet Kune Do was mixed Martial Arts. Bruce Lee was fazing out WIng Chun and other Chinese Martial Arts: too restrictive - His Martial (look up that word) Philosophy was USE WHAT WORKS. Dan Inosanto said in essence: JKD - JKD Concepts: same-same. ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/jqa8opeJmrKcmsk ) Who is Dan Inosanto? Personal Student. Who is this guy here? His opinions are... his OPINIONS!!!! And you know what they say about Opinions, right?

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

First off thanks for the positive plug on JKD overall. Second and more important the man in the video, Sifu Dino Orfanos, is certified under Sifu Chris Kent. Sifu Chris is one of Guro Dan’s original guys and instructor. So please do some research before commenting the way you do. Third, Sifu Dino is certified under Ted Wong who’s done the most one on one lessons with Bruce by a long shot. We know this from Bruce Lee’s day time journal where he wrote everything down including taking Brandon for a hair cut. Lastly we have the blessing from the Bruce Lee foundation because we teach authentic JKD. We wish you the best. 👍💪

[@GuroDon]

@@NYMartialArtsAcademy Thank you for the Reply. What I didn't know, now I know. Still, JKD, Original JKD, JKD Concepts, Contemporary JKD have to come together and accept its differences. I don't teach JKD, I didn't study with Sijo Bruce Lee. I have gleaned throughout the years certain techniques attributed to Jeet Kune Do. When I teach I say "This technique is from Jeet Kune Do." I do this to honor the Sijo and if people want to follow the Jun Fan philosophy / path they are free men and women. I apologize for my ignorance and meant no disrespect to Sifu Orfanos. I should have shown more respect. This is a new year. I expect to continue to grow and learn and teach as many years more as I can. All the best to you for throughout 2021 and onward.

[@joshuarox1739]

"Dan Inosanto didn't have the permission to teach JKD..."? you're misinformed and you were not even there. He has the permission to teach JKD because it was him who taught Bruce FMA... But, the Martial Arts that was prohibited to be taught during that era was FMA. I am a filipino and i practice JKD and FMA so i know the history... Because of the agreement between USA and Philippines govts., they sealed away FMA from the public to keep the peace treaty and prevent war... Though actually it was eventually being taught only to arm forces. Dan Inosanto, although he was trained by an FMA Guro in the Philippines, did not have the permission to teach FMA, but has permission to teach JKD. But what Dan Inosanto did was just right even if he broke an agreement, because if he did not teach FMA to anyone, FMA would have been a secret even from the very Filipinos who own the martial arts, and will be known only by the US Military. Because of JKD and Dan's works, people in this era have an idea that FMA exists.

[@blackenskatography9928]

JKD concept is in the middle development of JKD, Bruce's try to explore a lot of other art to further develop JKD which looks like MMA but which is not the latest development of JKD, so what if Guro Dan have permission to teach JKD as he could only teach the middle development of JKD only even though he is the highest ranking of all student of Bruce's, for what i see is that the important about of JKD is the latest development of JKD onward where u can't find in Guro Dan sect, don't get me wrong i still have respect toward Guro Dan in term of study a lot of other martial art as a martial art we must keep on understand what other martial art is doing & i believe he still know the foundation middle development of JKD, but as he goes further of middle development of JKD by keeping on adding thing as some might be classical mess some might be useful tool this way is going separate path of JKD already, as Bruce's is alway into simple, direct & non classical, through economic of motion aka longest weapon to nearest target & strong side forward & 5 way of attack.

[@joshuarox1739]

So you agree with what this guy is saying that Guro Dan has no permission to teach JKD? Then why is this guy trying to teach JKD when he was not even there when JKD was founded? I know and I understand the principles and purpose of JKD. But this guy is too arrogant to say that one of the greatest contributors in JKD has no permission to teach JKD when he himself does not even make up to even 1% of what Guro Dan has contributed to JKD. Too arrogant. Let him check himself first. He's even out of shape! I don't want to get older as an obese guy who can't run miles! While Guro Dan, look how fit he still is at his oldest! The thing is, You and I have our own application of JKD, whatever works for you as an individual and as a fighter. If that does not work for you, then you suck. You better play MMA and keep it inside the MMA mindset box. Don't blame it on other people and say he has no permission to teach JKD. LOL

[@blackenskatography9928]

Well his lineage is from ted wong, Guro Dan in the beginning still teaching pretty well middle development of JKD which he teaching people like chris kent, tim tackett, bob bremer during Bruce's life time till the beginning of bruce's death, but after bruce's death not long later, Guro Dan continue middle development of JKD too far till against what bruce's want in latest development of JKD & created what Guro Dan so called JKD concept, ted wong being the latest student of bruce's & the only 1 that learning the latest development of JKD & the only 1 that saw how latest development of JKD was develop, when he first know JKD concept he felt very but deny teaching anybody at first cuz he know he is not a certify instructor, due to many Guro Dan student start realise that ted wong actually study the latest development of JKD from bruce's that what bruce's, really want they convince ted wong teaching, then that is went the debate of JKD & JKD concept started. firstly in the beginning if bruce's student should come out with a committee & if Guro Dan never go too far of middle development of JKD till go a separate path of JKD & created JKD concept, then i think now JKD will have lesser conflict. as for this guy in the video even though he is the lineage of ted wong but he is also a great student of chris kent, mayb i'm very impress with his JKD but he is not totally not right to talk about JKD.

[@lostincause3418]

Dan is the only one given permission to teach jkd except for kimura and james lee (he died while lee was still alive), and kimura was considered to be the highest rank, and that came from insantos mouth (though I still give the edge to dan because he ran BRUCE LEES school and bruce was constantly visiting the school and refining him with changes). You could otherwise argue wong was just a testing dummy for lee, kind of what I do with my girlfriends son who holds the mitts for me when I cant make it to class, i teach him here and there so he doesnt get bored but it's not going any further. Wong never trained before meeting lee and insanto was already trained in fma and a black belt under ed parker, so who would you really train and exchange ideas with? Who would you trust to run your schools? I'm still not even clear how ted wong even taught, he doesn't even have permission to teach so how much was he really taught?

[@Menyhard]

Sorry you are wrong. Jkd is to take what us usefi and disregard what is wrong and make it your own. And that is taking things from other styles

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

Of course that means you can take things from other styles. However, it’s doesn’t mean that you randomly mix arts and can call that JKD. JKD is an art based on certain principles like interception, leading with your dominant side and yes of course totality (being well rounded) in all aspects of combat. The art is based on kinetics and physics. It doesn’t matter where something comes from. All that matters is that it’s efficient and follows the principles of the art.

[@juanespisitojr7836]

He’s going through the diff between concept and original JKD. Of course they’re borrowing moves from other arts. A jab exists all over the place. But a straight lead doesn’t. They do both. These guys have awesome fighters on staff and life long martial artist. A lot of KZbin haters that haven’t done much comment badly on these guys a lot.

[@timandrews1574]

John Menyhard Who are you in the JKD community?

[@andrewward4144]

Do i get a shirt

[@ThepurposeofTime]

Classical mess is in reference to obsession over traditional Martial Arts. Thats all he said, why are all these people coming out of the wood work trying to reinterpret things? 🤨 JKD is just a guide to make the art that makes sense for you. Nearly all MMA professional fighters do this to succeed. Its sad seeing all these people trying to make it more confusing than it is "strong lead forward, always" what? He was just experimenting with it to cultivate ambidextrousness. 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

Bruce Lee didn’t strongly believe in keeping the strong side forward? In fact he didn’t prefer it especially later in his training, post 1967?

[@ThepurposeofTime]

@@NYMartialArtsAcademy no he may have preferred it personally but he encouraged people to learn how to fight both sides. Classical mess is exactly what you're promoting; dead patterns.

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

ThepurposeofTime SomeJKD practitioners do fight in both stances. Most choose to fight in one stance with the dominant side forward. Forcing people to do both is actually the classical mess you’re referring to. The best fighters of all time mostly fought out of one lead. Some great ones switch stance. Most fight out of one lead. Wish you the best.

[@ThepurposeofTime]

@@NYMartialArtsAcademy 😂 no one is forcing anyone to fight in both leads, I said it's to cultivate ambidextrousness. Learning both leads creates mastery of angles. You can fight either both southpaw or orthodox dominant and it will open up extra layers of freedom. Hope this helps 🤔

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

ThepurposeofTime We’re aware since were all full time martial artists with a minimum of 10 years training. Many lifers. So yes thanks for the input but we’re aware of the advantages of switch stance fighters. . Problem is it takes much longer to master two stances vs one. That’s why lost great choose to be the best they can be in one lead. Your idea is great in theory but most fighters/martial artist can’t pull it off. Some do. For the majority of regular martial artists mastering one stance is key. Then, after many years go to the other lead and even a square or open stance at times. Again thanks for your 2 cents and keep watching 💪

[@andrewward4144]

I love that is nice i will love to learn ok i will love to be a person in that

[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

You’re welcome to come and train with us anything. If you live outside of NY we’ll even be offering zoom classes soon.

[@andrewward4144]

@@NYMartialArtsAcademy i live in Brooklyn do i get shirt for free trial

[@andrewward4144]

@@NYMartialArtsAcademy i will pay 4 the class on Tuesday

[@andrewward4144]

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[@NYMartialArtsAcademy]

Andrew Ward Come in for the free class. No free shirt lol.

[@anthonyallen3328]

Look let me break it down to you like this. When you first start off you should learn Jun Fan as the basics why? kick boxing , clinch, and grappling. Once you have learned Jun Fan as your base then you go and explore other arts to add to your game to make you better. Let say I finished traing in Jun fan so I need a ground game for self-defense so I learn Gracie bjj. See the problem is no body is learning Jun Fan first. They are going straight to JKD philosophy first which makes people who are not well rounded cut corners and start adding arts together to make there own jkd but really they end up being a classical mess. Again you need the basics of kicking boxing, clinch and ground first then go and explore other arts to create your own. Now if I do it the other way around and do JKD first instead of Jun Fan ( or mma) you end up adding a lot of trash and dont have functional skills in Kickboxing or ground. So I start adding an art to my belt that its strength is in clinch but yet Im not even good in clinch range. Thats the root of the problem with most martial artist they are not well rounded from the start to have a foundation. Thats why you see a lot of people learning those weekend warrior self-defense methods because its less time and less work. Being well rounded is a process of development and time investested to develop real skill. You see the product in Bruce Lee skills. They were skills that he took time to develop in his basics. Thats why he could kick box, clinch and do a little grappling see ( Enter the Dragon ) it shows you how he evolved in his prime. Thats why we have two groups instead of one whole. One group is stuck with just the basics but is not doing there own jkd after there basics then the other group is adding different arts with out being well rounded from the start so that put them in more theory then be functional in sparring. Thats what it has become a classical mess which is why everyone does MMA now so they do not have to be caught in politics with the two groups.