Marvel vs Capcom Collection is ALMOST what we've been waiting for....

[@jmcrofts]

CORRECTION: The Anakaris infinite being removed is a training mode-only issue. I tested online and it does work there. Juggernaut glitch is confirmed removed in all modes Thanks @AnakarisCurse for pointing that out

[@Ashura96]

lmao how does something *not* work in training mode, but work in normal gameplay? there are definitely some weird minor oddities with this version so far

[@ibreakyou7134]

Bro, if you check the website for the game and look at each title it lists all of the changes you are talking about. They released this site after the trailer dropped, and it covers all of it right down to not having flashing when a character dies.

[@luna_kits2345]

I had this in mind last night when playing Xmen COTA, I'm tending to use save state against Magneto and I'm annoyed how tedious load/save state on thiis. Thanks for pointing this out it's annoying.

[@jmcrofts]

@@ibreakyou7134 not everything is on there, the juggernaut glitch for example

[@gintokisan5171]

Can you replace the Jazz music here on MvC 2?? For example Make MvC 1 music to MvC 2.

[@nelax44]

His complaints: 1. No cross play 2. No quick rematch 3. Random glitches/infinite combos removed while others remain

[@thephilosopher7173]

No death flash.

[@a12smasher]

No cross play is crazy

[@XSAGA87]

​@a12smasher You would think it would be industry standard by now. Espically with fighting games.

[@elijahbowers1]

Thanks! all perfectly valid issues.

[@jasonsmith530]

The limited save slots should also be a complaint

[@Fools_Requiem]

great thing about the physical release not being until late November is that it can get some patches leading up to them going gold.

[@jmcrofts]

🤞

[@chopper8209]

And a free comic😊

[@CMCAdvanced]

Patches? Like what? What are they going to add to this game by November that will be great?

[@DenOndeBoss]

​@@CMCAdvancedWatch the video bro' 😉

[@BFG69000]

Yes. Good thing they are using paying customers to beta test their game!

[@kaijucowbelle]

⚠️RELEASE MY BOY JUGGERNAUT HE DID NOTHING WRONG ⚠️

[@burmecian123]

*SOMEBODY SAY HIS NAME THREE TIMES LIKE BEETLEJUICE!*

[@oby9822]

Whats wrong with juggernaut, does he not have the glitch anymore??

[@Enlaceeee]

​@@oby9822 they patched it out

[@oby9822]

@@Enlaceeeethats fucking wack 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@EstebanBrenesV]

@@oby9822 it is a... glitch........ what are people expecting? are we at that point where we are so entitled we call something a glitch see a new version and we expected to be there unfixed just because is convinient? they didnt fix it originally because the game is from a time where that would have been impossible....

[@vincentvolker27]

I do appreciate how you talked about the “bad” with a big smile on your face-I could tell it was all sincere

[@watchmesquatch]

Bro, if smiling is enough to make you think someone is sincere, you're gonna be manipulated your whole life while being smiled at.

[@vincentvolker27]

@@watchmesquatch Jesus man… don’t hate, congratulate-thanks for the tip, BRO

[@DuvJones]

You know what? We take those. I didn't think that this release was going to be prefect, but to put in so much work to polish this to a shine.... That is worth my hard earned money.

[@freelanceryuu]

Nah bro. Dont accept HALF ASSED WORK.

[@jfayiii]

It is indeed prefect. So close.

[@PointlesslyNecessaryConvos]

@@freelanceryuu Far from half-assed

[@boxcarTV]

@@freelanceryuuminor glitches missed is not half ass at all, i’m 80% sure this has to be bait

[@watchmesquatch]

It's pretty bad. The game was never that good. Horriblly built to the point the community was forced to balance the game themselves with OUT OF GAME point systems. It's objectively a broken game.

[@JustSomeGuy489]

Adding crossplay would be the deal-maker for me, personally. For both this, the existing Fighting Collection and the upcoming one that will include CVS stuff.

[@DerekMoore82]

Yeah, the Steam version will be a ghost town without crossplay.

[@hokuto29]

Got it today and its amazing!!! must have for any marvel vs capcom fan,best fighting franchise ever. Love this collection,its a dream come true!!!

[@thaistomp]

fax

[@afterglow-podcast]

Honestly I'm buying just to legally own these and to support Capcom doing an awesome job the past few years making all their old arcade classics available again.

[@drewferguson8324]

Same. I bought the digital and the physical.

[@anthony8721]

"Support Capcom" lmao. Capcom is one of the most greedy video game companies out there. They're like the Japanese EA.

[@afterglow-podcast]

@@anthony8721 I got news for you, this may come as a shock, but most companies make games to make money.

[@lt_johnmcclane]

@@anthony8721 if you like what a company is putting out it’s ok to buy things. You don’t have to hold all of their fuck ups against them forever. Plus EA hasn’t put out anything close to the quality of the resident evil remakes or monster hunter in recent years. Not to mention sf6

[@luckystudent00]

I think the reason that they removed the flash when a character is down/defeated is due to epilepsy & people possibly having seizures. Thats my guess

[@AWMonopolyMan]

Or that Light Reduction is set to “On” for certain Online modes by default for consideration’s sake

[@KaiKrimson56]

MVC1 especially needed that.

[@olioelnacho8935]

Street Fighter Aplha Anthology on the PS2 had the feature of the right analog stick controlling the training dummy back in the day! its so usefull to be able to move the dummy around you and try specific positions I wish it was in more games.

[@1stCallipostle]

One of those most forgotten collections ever Even though it has the version of Alpha 3 Upper that doesn't have real input lag. (And that's probably going to be adapted into that next collection)

[@wutmeta]

Replying in hopes @jmcrofts sees this but you can switch sides in training mode if you hold the left stick to either side when you hit the 'coin' button it will place the dummy on the corresponding side. I found this just now trying out my new pad and tinkering with controls, hopefully this helps!!

[@CoronelMargarina]

That collection is really good. All arcade perfect ports and allows you to choose whatever version you want like Alpha 2 Gold or 3 Upper. So sad that the 30th anniversary collection was a huge downgrade.

[@PokéJolt50]

All negatives aside, the fact that this collection exists in the first place and gives everyone a legal way of owning these titles is enough reason to pick this collection up, regardless of system.

[@10191927]

Something to consider is that we met never see these games ever again, do appreciate what we have with this collection.

[@watchmesquatch]

"You may never eat again, so you BETTER appreciate eating this pile of 💩" Weak minded stance to take.

[@MattC.98]

@@watchmesquatchI wouldn’t call this a pile of shit

[@dynamicentry6808]

The game is insanely fun, and the netcode is incredible, Best fighting game of the year next to Tekken 8.

[@Shodan130]

Brother the games are almost 20 years old.

[@mastahmaxtah9339]

@@Shodan130 And?

[@Shodan130]

@@mastahmaxtah9339 how’s it game of the year when it’s a 20 year old game lmao. Also tekken 8 fucking sucks

[@Dakisan22]

@@Shodan130 you suck*

[@watchmesquatch]

​@@Shodan130you fucking suck at Tekken* Fixed it for you. Projecting your misery on the internet will not make you feel better long term, bud.

[@czblock]

This release hype feels just like darkstalkers resurrection; everybody will go back to fightcade within two months

[@Shodan130]

Most people that actually play these games has been saying that for months. Capcom needs to offer a better product and with no cross play they haven’t really provided that

[@TonyJenn]

Yall really think the fight came population is that large? This collection is aimed at mostly those outside that bubble.

[@watchmesquatch]

​@@TonyJennit's a lazy nostalgia bait.

[@sonomni]

@@watchmesquatch Not really? The fact that they even released this collection already hints something is happening behind the scenes.

[@JB_CY]

Rip juggernaut lol

[@TheHappiestMeal]

I really liked playing Juggs too :(

[@gravity-zero2917]

Juggernaut went from mid tier to low tier...smh

[@HanDaimond]

Ah but Storm? Magneto? Cable? Sentinel? No problem.

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

But that's the problem - if you were only "playing" juggs for the glitch, you weren't really playing him. If the only thing making a character playable is a glitch, the character needs balancing. The power up was clearly intended to last for a limited amount of time.

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

@@gravity-zero2917 If Capcom would've balanced the game and put all the characters on the same tier, this problem wouldn't exist.

[@EliQ3]

I moved a month ago and my internet has been horrible. So no fighting games recently. I get upgraded internet on Monday!!!!! Hype to play this and SF6 again!!!

[@WarioSaysSo]

I'm SOOOO excited for this collection and demand a physical copy of it !!!! PS4 PRO....LETS GO!!!!!! The "only" wishfull thing that would have made this 110% AWESOME (but obviously VERY unlikley) would be if Capcom could somehow have licensed with Marvel + the developers to release the Ultimate Marvel Arcade experience - Konami's X-Men (1992), Sega's Spider-Man: The Video Game (1991) and Data East's Captain America and the Avengers (1991) + Avengers in Galactic Storm (1996).

[@johndewberryiii9925]

That would be dope that’s probably gonna have to be something for marvel games division to do

[@WarioSaysSo]

@@johndewberryiii9925 I know right! That would be massive indeed.

[@stevemont7022]

Screen flash... I have a theory. Maybe when playing online there's no way to have each player play on a different setting, it has to be the consistent for both, and if that's the case screen flash should not be allowed because that's a safety thing for players with epilepsy. Player without epilepsy could basically force epileptic player to play with flash on and that wouldn't be ok. Just a theory.

[@AWMonopolyMan]

Yeah, for Casual and Ranked, Light Reduction is set to on by default, so you would need to play in lobby matches to have it off.

[@nogoodchad4473]

Say what you will, but 50 bucks makes me think some kind of work went into this outside of the legal battles. Without any quality of life changes, it's probably on a lot of people's wishlist until a sale.

[@stephenleonchase6929]

I’m with you I already pre ordered the physical for the collection and also brought a digital so I can play l with my son

[@aldon560]

It played on my switch during my lunch break at my desk. It was lit….🔥

[@superstamp9383]

Unpopular opinion but infinites are just dumb

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

agreed. The game clearly isn't balanced when infinites are allowed.

[@comebacktobible]

THANK YOU!! I have been saying for years that beating someone with an infinite doesn’t actually make you good. I guarantee there is a seven-year-old somewhere that can button bash his way to victory and no one will give him props because he button bashes, yet everyone slurps Justin Wong dry because he won tournaments off of infinites. Unpopular opinion but I do share that unpopular opinion.

[@ghhn4505]

I feel like most people agree with this, infinites are seen as bad game design for the most part, but sometimes it's fun just to have them for non-serious play, they def should be banned in tournaments though.

[@billy-lanhthach5671]

@@comebacktobible If @superstamp9383 meant what you're saying by saying that infinites are dumb then y'all dead wrong. Infinites screw the game balance and can make some matches insufferable (Ice climbers' infinite in melee and crouch cancel combos in alpha 3 are perfect examples) but they rarely or never make a game easier or not worth playing competitively.

[@billy-lanhthach5671]

@@ghhn4505 I think it should depend on the infinites and the mechanics of the game because banning combos is kinda lame IMO

[@Ratigast99]

The Bad (from this video): No Crossplay. No "quick" rematch. takes a long time to "click stuff" regarding loading save states (Only P1 can do that) Juggernaut glitch gone anakaris infinite removed Wants a statement from the Devs regarding why certain infinites/glicthes were removed and others were not Xmen vs sf is not standard tournie version In MvC2 online when someone dies there is no longer a screen flash

[@AWMonopolyMan]

@@Ratigast99 Anakaris infinite is still there, just not in Training Mode only, XvSF is based on Version 3, so it only removed a couple of more “notable infinites”, the rest remain and for Online, Ranked and Casual have light reduction on by default, lobbies can customize options.

[@Ratigast99]

@@AWMonopolyMan I hear ya. When I saw the name of the video, I was very curious as to what bad features he was talking about so I wanted people to be able to see them immediately so I listed them. I think all the "bad" features aren't that bad at all. Crossplay is new for Capcom, they will get there MvC2 has the memory select so it takes SECONDS to repick a team Statements from Devs? C'mon. No "flash" when someone gets K.O.d in MvC2? I understand it's different but it took me three seconds to get used to it. "I didn't know they were knocked out" was in the video. This guy has been playing marvel for years and putting up vids- I don't believe that the anti-flash feature is actually affecting him at all. I think gamers today have become nitpickers and want to try and name negative things just to have an opinion. MvC2 was unavailable to play for so many years and now it's back and I am THRILLED. 10/10 for me

[@mus0u]

i know there's years of inertia at this point and people want the game as it is, but honestly i think it would be very interesting to see an attempt at a new rebalancing patch to try to widen the viable character pool. MVC2 has such a huge roster but so many of the characters see no competitive play at all.

[@1stCallipostle]

There's a reason there's alternative formats. Most people are decent enough human beings that if you pick characters that aren't top 5, they will too.

[@1andonlyhoncho]

In the limited matches I've payed online, the no flashing on character death was really confusing. They need to put in at least another way to confirm character deaths. I feel like in COTA, super moves (X!) aren't flashy either? It seems weird to me.

[@ifeobasa5459]

Some the glitch removals come from the arcade versions selected. The version of MvC2 chosen for the collection was a later revision they made that removed some of the game breaking issues like gambit glitch and ruby heart game freeze and some balance updates. The arcade and dreamcast versions of the game are basically the same games everyone has been playing forever but this version wasn't circulated a lot because it came out relatively late and arcades rarely give af about buying and replacing the machine they already own. I'm guessing the reason why most infinites still exist is because they weren't found out by Capcom early enough to do something about to put in this arcade version. Same reason why the latest version of X-men v.Sf rom was chosen for the collection rather than the busted one. I'm not sure about some of the other games but I suspect some stuff from the arcade versions everyone plays to the latest rom versions picked for the collect is different.

[@VT_sub]

Would be cool if they added combo challenges to give new players more of a feel for things.

[@danielperry2060]

Another good option would be to be able to save teams and assists like DBFZ and MVC3.

[@haytham4837]

Juggernaut did nothing wrong

[@Ronin-kk4bt]

🤣🤣🤣

[@esmooth919]

Except KO people way too fxxxing fast

[@watchmesquatch]

@@esmooth919 you had to set it up.

[@TomBombFR]

Regarding the lack of Rematch: I used to be a games QA, and when working on a certain PSP racing game, a shortcut akin to the rematch was introduced at the end of races a couple of weeks before release. It turned out that this seemingly innocuous change introduced a memory leak that would end up corrupting your save. Obviously I have no idea what happened here in MvC2, but the fact that they added the cursor memory tells me they knew they needed to speed up time between matches, so maybe they tried Rematch but didn't end up adding it because of technical issues. I know it sounds like a very easy thing to add, and maybe, in the case of MvC2 it is... but maybe it's much more complicated than it looks.

[@Goodtimegamingvibes]

I wish more people would realize that sometimes the "easiest" thing on paper for an app or a program can be the most difficult thing to do, especially with older software that wasn't built around that specific task. And it can lead to adding countless bugs in the game that need to be identified through Q&A (costing even more money). Software dev is so weird like that.

[@createprince2093]

there is a hacked dreamcast rom of the game called MVC2 Tournament Edition that has quick rematch (it is not instant but still skips character selection). if modders could do it, I hope they can add it to the collection

[@Goodtimegamingvibes]

@@createprince2093 I hope they do patch the game to add the feature, but adding that type of feature to a commercial release spanning multiple systems with 6 unique titles without breaking anything else either locally or online seems like a bigger ask than adding it to a single game with a single SKU (Dreamcast). It would be nice if they explained the feature's absence. Also, telling us if they plan on patching the game in the future due to fans' requests. I hope J.M. Croft asks them about it (or another journalist does).

[@JohnGoodman12345]

All the "bad" are pretty minor things that don't really matter so that's good

[@Hawkster52]

No Crossplay is definitely not "minor" or "doesn't matter" for people on less populated systems.

[@Vashkey]

​@@Hawkster52This was the monkeys paw for the Xbox announcement for me. It's great it's happening but what's the population gonna be like a month later. Especially since it's coming late

[@MilkshakeGuruTTV]

@@Hawkster52 I noticed on Amazon that physical copies of ps4 and switch are "frequently bought together". I feel like people are going to buy multiple copies because of no cross play. Which I mean...at the end of the day may lead to a proper MvC 4 because companies follow the money. So there is the silver lining to that. I myself have the switch one pre ordered and I am waiting on it. I do plan to buy a Steam copy around holiday time. Technically an issue like xplay can be fixed post launch if we are very vocal about it. But i'd still of wanted both these copies even if they had xplay.

[@giosbizarreart9048]

@@Vashkey the online population was never going to be huge, this game is 20+ years old

[@stellaroj]

I'm loving this collection, but quick rematch is a weird oversight.

[@willreyes860]

So I bought this mostly for the couch experience with my friends. But there is no true versus mode where we can pick different teams after a fight. The winner always gets locked in? Or am i missing something? Also did anyone’s buttons start off messed up in steam? And the dpad was disabled? I LOVE MvC2 but these details made my first night with the game more frustrating than it should have

[@jmcrofts]

you're correct, the only local VS mode is through arcade mode which is kind of annoying

[@willreyes860]

@@jmcroftsI hope they’re able to add the vs mode later. The best time I had with this game back in the day was having my brother and friends come over and fight completely random teams. Winner stayed (with a different team) until he completed a full circuit in case anyone was on fire. Thanks for the reply and great videos man

[@Fischonkel]

Thanks for pointing out that this release isn't without some issues - seems like everybody else is just going crazy because MAHVEL, baby! Really like the way you presented the negatives as well. Will be interesting to see if this release will eventually become the new tournament standard and if we will see some patch regarding the balance down the line (not a fan of changing XvSF in particular after all these years).

[@Robstafarian]

A save state is the contents of memory, literally the state of the game, at the time the save was created. That is why a save state cannot be used for faster rematches: the match had not yet started when the save was created, hence any rank changes and game challenges from that match would be reset.

[@LealFireball]

I'd bet that the bugfixes are just from the most recent rom they had that also fixed the game breaking glitches and they decided that it was worth sacrificing these smaller bugs to not allow players to crash the game.

[@AD3SPG]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOO im gonna suffer longer and wait for the physical copy.

[@emansfvera]

Just double dip bro

[@Soulcypher17]

Same here man

[@Geo2nice]

Same…. 2 more months ah well

[@AD3SPG]

I am on 2 physical copys backlogs anyhow will keep me busy.

[@spoogtastic]

I got the triple dip. Digital copy on my PS5, digital on my kids PS4 and physical for switch. Would highly suggest AT LEAST a double dip. Show Capcom we love this stuff!

[@kayanims]

Honestly, it's amazing that this game is available at all. To me, all of these issues are minor.

[@watchmesquatch]

Yikes. You'd definitely be upset if any other FG had these issues.

[@kayanims]

@watchmesquatch mvs collection is special. I admit I am biased.

[@watchmesquatch]

@@kayanims yeah. It's built especially poorly, no doubt.

[@enriquepinero707]

I have noticed that sometimes there is screen judder (not lag) which occurs randomly. It is mostly noticeable when there is long horizontal or vertical scrolling during super jumps or cross screen dashes, or during scrolling text via X-men Vs SF title screen. Then it can sometimes happen just during normal actions and for intermittent intervals. I am playing on the Switch version but noticed it during a PS4 stream as well. It seems to be the type of thing that occurs when Vsync isn't properly adjusted or when frameskip is set too high. This definitely needs a patch as this would be pretty perfect aside from this issue IMO. Heck I noticed the they made the control sensitive very well; so that even the buttons on the joycons as a dpad, works very well!

[@RicochetForce]

The reality is that this not for the hardcore purist but for casuals with an interest in fighting games. The lack of a quick match was seen in the other collections. It’s just one of MANY signs that these are very dated arcade games that lack modern QoL elements. And for the selective things, it seems like in the process of correcting game breaking things certain things are no longer possible.

[@1stCallipostle]

The lack of certain things is just how it be, yeah. If you want authentic, they can only do so much before something breaks

[@utopua4all]

This is my thoughts. I've only dabbled in these games a little in the past and I'm terrible at them. I probably won't even fight online. Hard core purists will probably just stick to the options they've been using for years just so they have access every small thing they want, even if those things weren't intended.

[@shadowmoon1657]

Hardcore purists are idiots. They just want to break this game. But label this version for “casual players”? Thats ridiculous

[@alexiparis3244]

Great video! For which console do you suggest to get the game for if you own all consoles

[@SILVERF0X13]

I hope they patch juggernaut glitch back in. I wanted to try him out, but it's just not worth it without that buff

[@bertanderny8927]

As one of those weirdos that likes to play by myself, is there the option to set up a vs match against ai? Pick characters and stage and play. Or are these games limited to arcade runs for the single player content?

[@TheObserver83]

Something nobody is mentioning is the sound quality. The sound effects are badly compressed and distorted compared to original arcade and even older ports. Very tinny sounding with all the meaty punch of the hits lost. Sadly it's especially noticeable in mvc2. Going in to edit these roms for the collection, some quality has been lost in translation.

[@YellowFellow86]

Fair and factual review. Agree with the glitch rebalancing. Good stuff 👏

[@spoogtastic]

It's perfect for me. I started to tear up playing it at 4am...while I do wish juggs still had his glitch I'm ok with this. Crossplay also wasnt built into the 1st fighting collection and since they are using that framework it wasnt going to happen here. Same will be the case for cspcom collection 2. Also as someone who changes his teams alot online, going back to character selection is great for me.

[@archangelx762]

I love the collection and games that were included, the only thing I hate is that when I play online, it's hard to keep track who KO'd because there is no flash and the audio is very very weak in MVC2, has no oompf to it, they should have like an audio boost or an equalizer to make MVC2 sound better, and the fact that you can't Map LK and HP to one button

[@Dumah36]

i will deal with no crossplay since it is on the switch. i am not trying to mess with those wifi warriors

[@callmetravesty8762]

Even PS and Xbox players are largely wired because people can't/won't move their router or can't/won't set an ethernet going up stairs. There's a reason I play on PC with no crossplay now. It's like almost 95% + wired.

[@theAshesofDecember1]

In a perfect world, these compilations would have all of the arcade ports, each country, and each patch. That way you can choose which version you prefer

[@CMCAdvanced]

The console version even

[@neoyaku]

@@CMCAdvanced Yes, this.

[@sewerdwayne]

@@neoyakuThis is why I can’t get too excited for these collections. Yes, I want these games preserved, and an accessible console version of MvC2 is good news for Marvel heads. But it’s still literally just a couple emulators, a couple roms, some scripts and save states, and a bunch of menus being sold for $50. Most of this game’s development effort was dragging and dropping. Compare the effort it took to port every game in the Alpha Anthology to PS2, compared to the effort here. Despite being way harder to make, Alpha Anthology is way richer in content. Somehow, these games get easier to make, and yet deliver less and less.

[@alleykat1750]

Slow down with the positivity.​@@sewerdwayne

[@sewerdwayne]

@@alleykat1750 Are we obliged to be satisfied with the products on offer? Screw “positivity,” the great American tradition is going to the store, looking at the price tag of something you fundamentally want, and saying “Ugh, that much for *this*?”

[@The_Nametag]

Crossplay is not without disadvantages. It makes releasing patches significantly slower because EVERY platform needs to approve the patch before it can get rolled out if you really want parity and compatability.

[@philipjohnson935]

This game isn’t getting more than 2 or 3 patches in its entire lifetime. Small small price to pay

[@petekaiser]

wait so you have to pick your team again for the rematch? why didn't they implement the arcade lock for the team where if another person challenges your team is locked and he's the one you wait on to pick teams only not both players

[@Choom89]

Was waiting for a real review, thanks!

[@AnakarisCurse]

I played 12 hours ago arcade mode and can still curse infinite.. was there a newer patch?

[@jmcrofts]

maybe a training mode-only issue?

[@AnakarisCurse]

@@jmcrofts yup I believe this is also the same with DC training mode, i forgot which platform but that was 4 years ago that I was annoyed lol

[@AnakarisCurse]

Curse inf arcade mode: clips.twitch.tv/PoisedDeadSpaghettiEagleEye-LK-2oi7TvBafXmce

[@jmcrofts]

thanks I tested it online against a friend and it works there too. I tested it in Dreamcast training mode just now and it does work, must be a weird version like ps2 or 360 where it doesn't (or could be because i'm playing on emulator)

[@AnakarisCurse]

@@jmcrofts nicee!! Thanks man for confirming vs someone 😁 People are reacting low/mid tiers getting nerfed 🤣

[@NamelessAzn388]

Me being a filthy FGC casual, this has been an incredible amount of fun just playing through COTA story with Colossus. Can't wait to keep playing through it all

[@therealdevcat]

X-Men: Children of the Atom DOES have a 50 hit combo achievement. 3:19

[@gilbertcarrasco5737]

There's never been arcade perfect versions of X-Men vs street fighter and marvel superheroes vs street fighter in the USA until now

[@Prince.Mykal.Vision]

The Sega Saturn had arcade perfect releases of both XmvSf and (a superior than arcade version) of MshvSf. Not to mention, emulation has been capable of playing the arcade roms of these games for at least 15 years.

[@Shodan130]

It’s cause it’s emulation, which we have had for over 2 decades now

[@Stewiesolderbro]

im so happy this collection is here

[@thaistomp]

It's epic

[@akalalaimranrp]

I am loving the marvel vs capcom fighting collection. Amazing release from capcom. I been playing fighting games from 1992.

[@S0m3Rand0mDud3]

14:07 I assume the screen not flashing on K.O. online for MVC2 is due to the light reduction option being enabled by default

[@Blas4ublasphemy]

I think they nerfed Dark Sakura's teleport so that you can't abuse it along with Ken's anti air assist like in the original/360/PS3 versions? I remember being able to teleport to the opponent while calling in the assist and teleporting away again while being invincible the entire time? Am I remembering this wrong?

[@andre-le-bone-aparte]

Question: Buy Now... Or Wait For Steam Sale (Christmas / New Year) ?

[@mattatsu]

Great video. I’m glad you pointed out “the bad”. Nothing major but I hope these get fixed. I’d love for this version to be the tournament standard and it probably won’t be with these minor issues

[@SJ-mh1rg]

Is there a sound lag in X-men vs street fighter for the switch version? I always have the feel that the sound effect is weird for the game

[@spectrumbots4268]

I've found one weird bug with Sentinel in MVC2 in this collection where he'll sometimes say "UNIT DESTROYED" when he's hit when he's only supposed to say that when he's KO'd. It's kinda funny, though! 😂

[@SaintKines]

That is more of a bonus because that's funny

[@spectrumbots4268]

@@SaintKines Yeah.

[@JagorM]

Is there a correct button mapping for a fight stick or is the default fine?

[@DJZark]

What is the best stick I could buy to get back into this amazing game?

[@WhiteManOnCampus]

My guess about the glitches taken away is that they indeed are not targeted but the result of cleaning up the code. Juggernaut's power-up was obviously always a glitch, so making it not work is part of cleaning up the code. Likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if Anakaris or Cyclops from XvSF had some sort of glitched physics interaction which got patched out. The team seems fine with preserving the infinites that characters have so long as they're available without a glitch, so I suppose we're going to see how many characters were only good due to spaghetti code.

[@AWMonopolyMan]

With XvSF, that one is a case that they are using V3 of the game for balancing (which was the last revision aka the Saturn balance)

[@1stCallipostle]

That's the thing, it seems to be pretty obvious to me If they can do it because the properties of their moves allow it, it stays. If it's the result of some data getting scrambled or otherwise being wrong, it goes.

[@slimegirlgaming2142]

where is TvC?! I'm so desperate. I just wanna do Tekkaman Blade loops

[@whoami111]

Instant rematch is a must addition. Do you think they should patch magneto/iron man infinites and guard breaks out?

[@Darkkent83]

No rematch is CRAZY!!!

[@jamerthegamer13]

there is rematch just not quick rematch, you just have to repick your characters

[@Darkkent83]

@@jamerthegamer13 that doesn't count

[@BFG69000]

@@Darkkent83 especially since the community already has better Rematch ON DREAMCAST

[@MatthewPatrick1989]

Yeah, super weird to not have such a simple feature. I might wait to get this bc of that and no crossplay.

[@nepoeditzxthablackpope]

​@@jamerthegamer13 bro that's called "character select" that's a different option not technically a "rematch" usually at a end of a match those 2 options would pop up

[@alistairblaire6001]

I’m happy with it. The input lag feels really good on PS5, the netcode feels good, it has the option for integer scaling, the filters are pretty good. I have a couple very minor complaints but they don’t spoil the experience at all. Now I wish they could patch the problems in Street Fighter 30th Anniversary.

[@SaintKines]

What are the problems with 30th anniversary? Was going to buy it.

[@PizzaTimeGamingChannel]

I wonder if fixing some of the other stuff lile Ruby Heart glitch or Gambit glitch accidentally fixed Juggernaut glitch, too. Very strange.

[@sebastianfernandez6146]

No cross play is a HUGE dealbreaker. The FGC community is already small as it is.

[@robertwest9065]

What is inputs for dans raging demon?

[@Charlymander]

I'm glad they removed annoying infinites and exploits actually. If it makes the game more balanced and varied I'm up for it, specially for new comers.

[@ag4640]

The thing is… they didn’t.

[@Prince.Mykal.Vision]

There are still infinites for every character, they're just different than the ones everyone knows.

[@theflashfan3234]

Lmao the infinites they removed made the characters viable. The ones they didn't remove are what make the top tiers so absurd 😂

[@tylerrose9758]

Such a great release from Capcom, the ONE thing I wish they would have done was add a built-in ratio system. The way the game is built they would have had to add a separate ROM, one classic and one "ratio" mode with Ranked, Unranked, etc. Would keep a lot of spice and flavor in the game when a lot of the regular ranked mode is going to be the same few characters.

[@peteroneill1859]

This is a great collection its amazing especially MV2 .

[@lucientaylor98]

14:24 that's strange. I played about 3 hours last night on MVC2 in this collection online and the death flash worked as it normally should

[@AWMonopolyMan]

Its more than likely for him that during his matches, it was set to on for some reason. (Can now confirm, it is set to on by default in Ranked and Casual).

[@jmcrofts]

@@AWMonopolyMan i tried disabling the setting in ranked and it wouldn't let me - do you know a way to?

[@AWMonopolyMan]

@@jmcrofts As far as I know, the settings are locked in for Ranked and Casual, basically a precaution for those that are actually epileptic. At least lobbies do let you mess with the settings however you want, so there is that as a fallback

[@briansilva3765]

Besides X-Men Vs Street Fighter being the less broken version and lack of rematch in MVC2, the other ones are basically nitpicks, realistic speaking this is the best we could have gotten.

[@Satchmeat]

Any DOOM fan knows that perfection is achievable.

[@wiltisdabest]

Cross play is a nitpick? It's what could keep this alive.

[@1stCallipostle]

​@@wiltisdabestRecurring players make $0. If you buy to play local every now and then, it makes no difference to Capcom versus Steve who plays ranked religiously every day

[@jayguero2123]

@@wiltisdabest I agree it would be better overall if cross play was added but at the same time understand there would be more technical, software, and approval hurdles to go through if they went that way. Unfortunately, every console has their own rules and aren’t 100% down sharing their pool of players with people they have no rule over (among other internal reasons). It sucks but I’m not going to take this collection for granted.

[@averyroscoe91]

I'm glad to see Marvel Super Heroes come back

[@LAZERMAC87]

Do they have plans to update the collection with patches?

[@faustomadebr]

About the bugs/glitchs/infis, I believe they are wating to see how the community will react to it. Some people, like myself, believe they should fix/balance stuff so the game can be competitive, but I know some will like it untouched, for nostalgia or other things. Day 1. Lets wait to see how players are going to react.

[@griffonsarcade]

My partner and I played 5 games of Children of the Atom before leaving for work this morning, and we were pretty disappointed to find that winner is locked into the characters they won with. Was foolishly hoping for some quality of life improvements like rematch options.

[@Ragiroth]

Yes this is very frustrating. I know my friends are gonna get frustrated with this when we try playing them. I know people love arcade ports, but I'd prefer console ports personally

[@kongk4]

Aside from Juggernaut glitch*, my only complaint you haven't mentioned is button configuration. You have to slide each of your buttons instead of pressing them in sequence like as if we went back to 2012. I get the easy move/super button is reason why this is the case, but c'mon it should've been a separate config menu... especially since you can't even use easy moves in ranked anyway. *(which if it honestly doesn't get patched back in, I don't think this collection will last more than a year in tournaments)

[@Chop23]

The lack of crossplay support is the biggest issue for me. Steam/PC, PSN, Switch Online and soon XBL and the players will all be divided amongst the consoles. It's likely that PC and PSN will overtake the Switch and XBL ports that it will make them obsolete faster. The game is confirmed to run very well on the weakest console (Switch) so they really don't have an excuse to not implement this anymore. Unless you really enjoy the single-player experience or are using it for an FGC local, then buying the game on the switch and XBL is pretty much a waste of money. Even if it comes at a later date, including crossplay will, in my opinion, make this collection more valuable than Fightcade as emulation will always be a hassle for the non-hardcore playerbase and giving them an option to play amongst other consoles will increase the longevity of the collection. They've done it beautifully with SF6 that there's no reason to believe that they cannot do it for this, and the upcoming Capcom Fighting Collection 2.

[@misterkeebler]

The rematch thing would definitely have been a nice QOL change for mvc2 in particular. I'm not too concerned with the other items though. Even crossplay...as much as i'd like to have it, i feel like in-game performance is always hit or miss with those titles, especially if we started mixing in Nintendo Switch. It'll lead to smaller player bases on switch and xbox, but i just cant call lack of crossplay a 100% negative either.

[@kevingriffith6011]

I can imagine the struggle in the dev team on what to do about the Iron Man Infinite. There's no reason they don't know about it, it's the most iconic infinite in fighting games... but they can't remove it, because it's *literally the most iconic infinite in fighting games*, and they'd be disappointing people who are picking up the game SPECIFICALLY so they can do the iron man infinite from the memes.

[@JardsonJean]

I think these rebalances are mostly unintended as JM said. Something in the code got rid of certain glitches, even though they were not directly targeting them.

[@kevingriffith6011]

​@@JardsonJean That does seem like the most likely thing, yeah. Still, I'd hate to be in the dev room arguing for or against the iron man infinite if removing infinites was a goal.

[@JardsonJean]

@@kevingriffith6011 I dont think they'd be arguing a lot over it. These glitches defined what the game became and it would make zero sense to mess directly with them.

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

@@JardsonJean I disagree - they should've gotten rid of infinites before release, because infinites are lame.

[@JardsonJean]

@@Arctanis-vt3hl tell that to the people that have been playing this game for 20 years... the devs clearly disagree with you

[@KarimElHayawan]

If they included cursor memory but not quick rematch then I have a suspicion that there might be some technical limitation to getting quick rematch to work within the time/budget they set. I can't imagine how that would be but having the cursor memory means that really thought about it from a game design sense. Like the cursor memory means they already save the "state" of the match in some form. Maybe the engine or something is really hard designed to boot to menu/character select after every match and there's no way to change it without risk. That design choice might also be there because of the origin as an arcade games right? You had to put in a coin after every match so that might have been a fundamental design assumption in the way the games are implemented that make it hard to change. Also yeah. Those fixed freeze glitches really might have had unintended side effects of fixing other things. It really depends on what's the root cause. Capcom themselves might not even know what glitches they fixed and didn't fix.

[@BakiX]

No crossplay is the major, maaaaaajor thing that kinda kills the game for me... This games collection is astonishing. I'd honestly go as far as to say the best compliation of games to ever officially be released next to the Genesis Collection on PS3/360 era. But no cross platform intergartion in something as community based as fighting games is honestly extremely detrimental to its life span. Simply put, the more you have to play with, the more you will actually play. It sucks personally knowing so many people who grew up alongside me LOVING these games are SO close to being able to spend multiple years enjoying them together once again but cant simply because they dont all share the same exact console...💔. Still, go out and support this masterpiece if you can. This is the type of stuff we gotta show our love with our money and in doing so will give them the confidence to continue to deliver quality products like this to us in exchange for profitable margins for them. PS: DONT DO JUGGERTON LIKE THAT CAPCOM! 😭🙏

[@TechnoSyndro]

Are these definitely new bug/infinite fixes and not just some semi-obscure final revision of the arcade rom from back around release? I thought the X-Men vs. Street Fighter one specifically was the final US revision of the game.

[@kill_repeat8491]

I fully expected clickbait, but you've got really solid points.

[@hthiengo]

Does anyone know how to switch between characters?!

[@joeschmoe5231]

It's different for each game but most games you press high kick and high punch at same time to switch.

[@AsherReigns]

Could be that the emulation engine is too good that it fixes memory glitches like you said. That’s a hard thing to control for. This is the first implementation of their Naomi emulation. Maybe they can make it a little more accurate.

[@prrocker9637]

Hot take I'd much rather keep stuff like juggernaut glitch and remove all infinites then keep infinites and remove stuff like juggernaut glitch

[@aviastlamunus]

Yeah the no quick rematch ANYWHERE is a missed opportunity, but I'm gonna hope for an update 🙏

[@FallBackSquadUp]

I still love the look and feel of the HD Widescreen Remake for 360 & PS3 more, rather than this direct arcade port with no true widescreen, just stretched. Also the 360/PS3 ver looks better

[@DungarooTV]

It's everything we want in this collection...e.g. Arcade-perfect and MvC2 has all characters unlocked! Come on bro!

[@tereewright771]

Is this out only in certain areas or something

[@Coughman94]

Could u please do a tutorial on mvc2 mechanics. I've been playing this game for years on emulator and I still suck I'm so lost every time I come back and there are no good quality tutorial videos.

[@tracepalmatier9696]

Patching out glitches is extremely weird. I get patching the glitches that soft lock the game, that makes sense, and those were already banned in competitive play by the community. But removing things that change the game balance is just a strange choice.

[@WHIPLASHVideosTBT]

It's not a patch out. Jmcrofts is wrong. It's the build version they chose to use for this game.

[@RicochetForce]

The problem is that in correcting some things are tied to the same code that eliminates other things it tangentially affected. This is definitely not a ‘balanced’ version.

[@servebotfrank4082]

From what I heard, the Juggernaut glitch was removed in the PS3 version as well. This might be a case of re-using that version maybe? If there's other fixes from that version in this then it would confirm it.

[@AWMonopolyMan]

@@WHIPLASHVideosTBTThere was only 1 arcade build as far as we are aware and those glitches are in that build (alongside the game breaking stuff).

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

If a glitch is the only reason a character is good or great, then that is a problem in itself. I prefer a balanced game with no glitches. Infinites are lame because it's completely unfun for the other player. No situation should ever occur in a fighting game where you can do anything.

[@jadendiamondknight5200]

Still waiting for all those fighting games stuck in arcade purgatory for nearly 30 years...

[@Arctanis-vt3hl]

Capcom vs. sNK 2 - i need this.