Do you need to buy a stick to play Fighting Games?

[@buddoplayz5273]

He just got straight to the point. He lost ALOT of view time doing that. I respect it.

[@GIR177]

It still reached the 10 minute mark 🤷‍♂️

[@vegeta7026]

@@GIR177 He answered the question from the begging so if you don’t want to support him just leave

[@tjrex1915]

@@GIR177 And?

[@StriderZessei]

He got my like for that.

[@jordanstanfield7361]

Maybe maybe not some ppl will turn the video off for rambling irrelevant crap.

[@itriggerpeople4433]

I might be the only guy I know who plays PC DBFZ with a frickin pro switch controller

[@mfrebel7831]

So you're the chosen one.

[@BbqheroMax]

I do that too lol

[@megamario5599]

I use that one too, is comfy enough for fighterz

[@GregInTechnicolor]

Yo dead ass I did for a while but my pro controller shit the bed so now I use a Xbox One controller. The D bad on the switch pro was nice ngl...

[@whahala555]

I also use a Switch pro controller, wired Pro A.

[@cardsharpHS]

I play all games (that support it) on stick - Mega Drive, SNES, Saturn, PlayStation, everything. Sticks are so accurate, but also so much more enjoyable.

[@benthorogood3917]

My man played saturn with a fighting stick. Please tell me you played fighting vipers

[@LiquidChamploo]

I also love smashing the stick buttons when things get hype. When you mash on pad your gripping the controller even harder to keep it in place. A tip that helped my on pad was to focus on lifting my fingers for inputs, instead of sliding you thumbs on the face buttons, That’s a recipe for sloppy inputs.

[@karloli9455]

I've played with a pad all my life and had no idea how clunky it was for me till I switched to a stick. I always keep dropping inputs with a pad due to my big hands. It was like night and day when I finally tried out a stick. It took a couple of days to get used to, but now I have no intentions of going back to a pad.

[@donovanloreman]

I have smaller hands so pad works better for me

[@karloli9455]

@@donovanloreman Mine has the exact opposite effect. Companies should invent a hotdog finger edition controller or something.

[@TheBossManBoss319]

Dude same. My hands are fucking massive and using the pad is almost impossible because of my big ass thumbs so I use the analog stick on the controller and drop moves all the time. I want a fight stick to actually put in half circle and quarter circles without dropping them.

[@Jika_Jeeka]

I switched for two reasons, the most important being nostalgia, I love that feeling of playing at an arcade. Bit also I spent alot of years mashing the wrong stuff on a pad never actually looking up how to play these nor having anyone around that knew properly, switching to stick allowed me to bypass the already worked in bad muscle memory and just start fresh:)

[@albertojmv7]

Playing on pad would destroy my thumbs, I could only play for an hour at a time at most. Switching to stick relieved the thumb abuse, and was able to play for 2 to 3 hours at a time without any issues.

[@fiveromannumerals]

Exactly, that is by far the biggest difference, unless someone uses the analogue stick or a mechanical d-pad

[@MarkoLomovic]

@@fiveromannumerals it is not a difference that is just people not being used to pad and pressing to hard. You want to avoid pressing hard at all costs because it either damages your thumb like in this case or wrist if you press to hard on punch buttons since you are grabbing pad to hard and twisting your wrist. Pad is hard to get used to for sure I'm new to fighting games and pad so I can attest to that but that has nothing to do with pad and more with me not being used to device. People that grew up with pad don't have issue with this since they are so accustomed to it and hold it naturally.

[@MegaFIare]

For me, the fight stick actually hurts my wrists and aggravates my arthritis more than a pad

[@MrCactuar13]

Speaking of the community aspect, I had this one beautiful moment that happened when I went to a USFIV tournament at a convention. Since I was volunteering for a free pass to the tournament I couldn't safely bring my stick to the venue, but there were a handful of people who brought their sticks to the tournament. They all were more than cool to share their sticks for anyone who wanted to play with them, so it was great that everyone got a chance to play with the controllers most comfortable for them.

[@matsug5704]

So you played with another guys stick? :P (Sorry I had to)

[@Jojimbo009]

I play on both, depends on the game.

[@Jojimbo009]

@Dale Macarena Pad: Power Rangers BftG BBTag Tekken Soul Calibur MK Stick: SF GG BlazBlue Skullgirls

[@miguelodeon4978]

Lol I'm struggling a lot playing GG on stick mostly because of the dashes and movement generally quicker to do on pad But maybe that's just lack of practice.

[@Jojimbo009]

@@miguelodeon4978 To clarify a little more, my stick is a Hitbox. I don't know if it counts as a separate thing. Dashes and IAD's are way easier to execute.

[@miguelodeon4978]

Yeah I guess its like playing on a keyboard, I'd say they're two different things for me. However I'll practice some more with regular stick on those kinda games before calling the stick not as good for them on the long run.

[@Beelzeboogie]

Four buttons I can play on pad, but six-button Capcom games I basically need a stick. Tried for years but never got used to using the shoulder buttons.

[@kungfukenny1438]

Do you NEED a stick? Short answer: Sonicfox

[@gallonthegreat7036]

Best answer ever

[@OXGAMES_Z]

...And Sonicfox use a modify controller with mechanical buttons...

[@TacticalOmelette]

@@OXGAMES_Z It's still a pad though. Most top players usually use custom made controllers that work best for them, so it's not weird

[@ICA_Ghost]

NOBODY argues that stick is better for dbfz

[@johnjosephpring4210]

Lil majin is my fav pad user, top 8 first american on tekken. Which is dominated by koreans, and hes a very entertaining player. Every round is different for him and he actually uses all the characters kit instead of being safe and just trying to win a game

[@orlandorodriguez8270]

Switch to fight stick around two years ago for third strike and now I find most fighting games not easier but easier if that makes sense. It feels really good and The ergonomics of it really are a selling point. Especially if you play a lot of fighting games or game’s in general I’m the long run I recommend it 100%

[@ICA_Ghost]

”not easier but easier“ makes total sense... i know exactly what u mean.

[@bobului2262]

It’s got something to do with Developers’s intent for sure when it comes to arcade era games

[@orlandorodriguez8270]

@@ICA_Ghost Thanks man! knew someone would get it!!!!!!

[@IWantToStayAtYourHouse]

Can you even use stick for non fighting games

[@tongpoo8985]

sticks are way more fun imo

[@kinginthenorth1437]

I bought a stick when I realized they existed mostly because I'm old enough that I first learned to play fighting games in arcades and it enhanced the childhood nostalgia aspect of playing games. I had spent a good chunk of time playing Tekken on PS pad in the middle decades and when I briefly picked up Tekken 7 on stick I found relearning movement took some work despite having been playing 2D fighters on stick beforehand. But one competitive advantage not really touched on was how much easier 2 button inputs are on stick. 3+4 for example on pad either requires playing with a claw grip which is absolute hell on my hand or has a high level of input error trying to hit them both at the same time with my thumb. Stick lets you hit both buttons with separate fingers with an ergonomic grip.

[@eriklopez9968]

Fr my king chain throws are so much easier on stick

[@Cryemoar]

After years of this debate, I came to the conclusion that the best thing is to try everything you can. Your never going to know whats better for you if you haven't really tested out each option. I own or have tried almost every pad out there, all of the Hori fightpads (PS1 to the recent PS3/4 commander), the various madcatz, to the og sega saturn 6 button controller (& several "retro" saturn clones) etc. I plan on eventually purchasing a fight stick and hitbox to see if either one is better for me. Dont be afraid to experiment with different options, it can be a fun process and could end up making you a better player too.

[@kirkcavenaugh758]

The 8bitdo m30 has really helped me out on the switch.

[@Bigzoe202Gaming]

You can't forget about the God himself Lil Majin who was tearing it up on a pad.

[@bakainu6597]

He switched to mixbox

[@MoarRobots]

I just think fight stick looks sick af

[@dougieboysupreme3438]

I switched to stick because it’s more sturdy than pad, I kept wearing out my pad so eventually I just splurged

[@dndrico]

ayeee

[@purpledragon5398]

Yeah that's a good reason when ever I click L2 on my ps4 controller it inputs up as well

[@epic12194]

Really dig your content, as someone who's always been interested in fighting games but not necessarily had my heart in it, been getting more passionate about new and old series that caught my attention, (mk, dbfz, blazblue) and you are really a wealth of information, presented in a very non condescending way, keep it up bro, much love and respect

[@mdgeisto8953]

I've been playing fighting games ever since the vanilla Street Fighter II and consistently played on pad all the way up to Tekken 7, where I finally swichted to stick. I enjoy playing on stick so much more now. I feel it's like playing racing games with a steering wheel, it's just so much more fun if you nail your moves/combos on stick rather than pad.

[@The4stro]

im someone who went both through the keayboard to pad transition, and pad to stick transition. keyboard to pad took me around 2 months to get sompletely used to it. pad to stick took me half a year. stick is very hard to get used to, especially if you never touched a stick before. it's completely different from everything you ever did to control your games

[@naejimba]

PSA: I'm like six months in and still practicing the basics every day... it can take some people a WHILE. However, with that said I can see the benefits and say it is worth it. I'm not ashamed to admit I've hit a brick wall with dragon punch motions but seeing small improvements as I've stuck with it; up to 25 consecutive without a mistake 1P side and 16 consecutive 2P side with no mistakes. All the other motions on Ryu in SSF2 Turbo I have down no question (and yeah, I'm that insane person who wants to work up to Hawk). If you are looking at something like Tekken (or something that has a lot of fast dashing) you might want to go with Korean style lever, if something like Street Fighter (lots of quarter circle and 360 type motions) Japanese style is best suited for that. Also, don't forget about something like Hitbox, it does make some things possible that you can't on stick and can be an easier transition from keyboard. The comparison to learning a musical instrument is 100% correct. What you are practicing is proper technique and trying to develop good habits instead of bad ones. It means doing a lot of very basic things over and over, but if you want to be a wall to your opponent you have to start with a solid foundation. Also, just like an instrument you are looking for ergonomics; everything is as relaxed and natural as possible, NOTHING should hurt. If something hurts you are doing it wrong. You are developing muscle memory, which means you want to do at least a little EVERY DAY. Practicing 8 hours one day a week does almost nothing, while taking 10 minutes every day in that week will yield progress; just like learning an instrument. Your practice should be very focused and not just going through the motions on autopilot; think about what you are doing. Visualize the motion in your head, then execute, rinse and repeat. Looking down at your hands as you do it can help at first. When starting out, take as much time in between each action as you need to visualize it. Slow the motion down if you have to; you are attempting to have EVERY time you do it be correct, no matter how long it takes to do... speed comes with time. If you are going on autopilot and missing half of your inputs you are NOT building muscle memory as fast as you could if you slow down, do half as many are you currently are, but they are all correct inputs. Think of muscle memory like an XP bar; every time you do it right, you gain a little bit of XP... but every time you do it wrong you lose even more XP. THAT is how you need to approach it, you will gain more XP taking your time and getting it right. If you are just going at it trying and miss, miss, miss... stop for a second. Take your hand off the controller and take a relaxing deep breath. Place your hands back in position and visualize the motion. Then, very slowly practice what the motion is, being completely relaxed (don't worry that it isn't fast enough to come out). Do that a few times and gradually speed it up, visualizing the motion between each time, until you work it up to speed. I know that sounds like a pain in the ass, but you will be a fucking execution MONSTER when you are done. I went to college for music and spent a LOT of years teaching people how to play various instruments. It will take you years to master something difficult, and there is always room for improvement. So I know the best way to approach it; It is a marathon, not a race... and try not to be hard on yourself, stay positive and know that getting frustrated is actively working against you. Know that you will get there eventually if you put in the work.

[@holllow]

i know this is a year old, but you’ve reinspired me to learn a stick. controller has always felt much more comfortable and i’ve been using a stick this past week that i just bought and it’s been nothing but painful. i’ve been looking at a ton of videos to see if you really need to play on stick to be good, and this comment is what really got me to understand the process. i’ll try my best to learn how a stick works, thank u for your wisdom

[@naejimba]

@@holllow , no problem. I'm glad I could help.

[@InitialDL84]

I actually just bought one just for the hell of it, I still use the pad but I've been wanting to learn stick for a hot minute. Plus I love using it on MAME games! I think I'm starting to get into collecting them just for fun.

[@suiton20]

The keybox gives a very small distinct advantage when it comes to very precise inputs and speed. I was only able to pull off certain combos with them thanks to the wasd format.

[@OrkyGoblin]

I love my Hori Fighting Game Commander,I feel it offers me the best of both worlds and it's super affordable. Great vid man!

[@alexj0101]

I got into fighting games in 2008 because my friends were playing super turbo HD remix and vanilla sf4, and back then the attitudes seemed a bit different where it was stick or bust. It was painful at first to play stick but it's worth it in the long run. It's a lot of fun having arcade hardware and playing stick with other arcade games. On the topic of injuries, I mostly play sf which I don't get any issues but if I play darkstalkers it's harder on my wrists and forearm.

[@spunklebop6886]

Look up battle beaver controllers. You can buy a kit that turns your dpad into 4 directional buttons rather than one large button that is used in ps4 and xbox controllers. The kit only costs $20 and if you want a controller that can be used for multiple genres, they have a custom controller builder and you can basically customize everything. Affordable too

[@snipesmcfreely5879]

I’m glad he was honest about how inputs are easier on mvc2. That’s what I was here for

[@DJNekura]

I think you cannot underestimate the fun factor when finally changing over to stick... really adds new life and energises the game... not a MK player mind but can really see how that would be more pad geared... did MK ever play well on stick? Even back in the arcades lol ;)

[@GSen45]

I started out using pad and started learning stick cause it looked like fun and there were certain things that appealed to me about stick. somewhat recently I switched again to hitbox and am loving it.

[@bitterbatterdog]

The only time I played stick was when we need an extra controller to play overcooked and I was happy to use the stick, It was almost instant that I new the joystick felt better and bought one. It really is as simple as trying one out, even if that means going to a local arcade and checking how the stick feels. It's hard to know with button placement but it you are using an analog, it's easy to compare it to the feel of a stick

[@hann8103]

one reason to play stick is negative edge, where you do a move when you release a button as opposed to pressing it. On a pad, your thumb can only do so much at the same time, while on stick you can dedicate a finger to holding down buttons while still being able to press others reliably. Noteworthy examples being playing Zato in guilty gear, Arakune in blazblue or Cody's zonk knuckle in street fighter.

[@Crayonz014]

Got myself a stick mostly due to my hand pain and found this a lot better. Still trying to get better as I still miss quite a lot of inputs

[@TheRealDustinNunn]

My honest answer is if you grew up in the arcades, then stick with an arcade stick controller or if you grew up playing with regular pad controllers all your life, then stick with a regular pad controller.

[@jonesfgc2784]

I recently made the change to stick. Its been rough but i love the nostalgia feeling. I will say it has helped with my timing on combos with pad.

[@joweber7492]

Really good video and thank you for not hiding the direct answer behind 10min of video. I do have to say though, that form personal experience, passing somebody a pad is easier than stick. Sticks have way more parts that can differ from each other and give a totally different feel to the input controller, while most pad players just use a standard PS4/XboxOne/Switch controller.

[@tongpoo8985]

stick just feels way more fun to use. I'm switching to it knowing that I'll likely be way worse for a while, but will have more fun than with a boring old pad

[@paulmestrejr5904]

For anyone that’s on a budget for sticks, I recommend the Mayflash 300. It ranges from $60-$80. I got it for $60 on amazon due to it being on discount. It feels amazing and it was my first step to stick as well. It can be used for PC, Xbox 360/One, PS3/4, Switch, and Android (idk why Android) but overall give it a shot

[@erickazo5915]

But also feel free to try stick. I had a feeling I would like stick better so I bought one and I love it.

[@modifide]

Nicely explained jmcrofts. I love the look of sticks, I think they're cool and buttons making sounds is just so satisfying. This definitely was a good insight.

[@RemingtinArms]

Pad is fine unless you get sweaty hands

[@blinkshadown]

Sweaty hands and arcade stick is worst...

[@HomeslicedVideos]

Using a Hitbox-style controller helps SO much with sweaty hands. I had trouble even gripping the stick consistently sometimes on a traditional one. With a Hitbox, there is no grip to worry about.

[@TheMasterOfCeremony]

Homesliced Videos how do you like the hit box? I’m really curious about it and can’t really decide if I should purchase one (import to Europe costs a lot...)

[@Phoenix-pb4sm]

I got sweaty hands and it's fine

[@blinkshadown]

@@TheMasterOfCeremony never owned a hitbox. Im making one with an arcade stick and removing the stick for 4 buttons. Iv heard its hard to adapt at first. You be at Babysteps to start with. But ither than that iv seen pretty good reviews from it. Alot of people prefer them.

[@Kuroppey]

I switched to stick like 3 months ago. I still suck but I'm almost at the level I was with a pad. The reasons I changed are: 1. input feedback, there's something in my brain that makes me need to hear my own inputs in order to know if they are right or wrong. 2. customization and style, just having a stick with a layout I designed is something that makes me want to play with it 24/7

[@cell-shaded]

I switched to stick because of ergonomics, I have Arthritis due to playing alot of precision games and had to start wearing a hand brace, plus the longer stick felt better and less cramped

[@hendrixcrossan9104]

i bought a stick took me a week. I'd reccomend starting with street fighter helps you get comfortable and trains your brain. i play dbfz but when i tried with the stick i just got it was very hard at first. but after about a week i got the hang of it. i think its a lot easier to pull of combos on stick and do instant air dashes but that's just me. I wouldn't recommend if your only into one game

[@EvanSaltare]

I played on pad until Marvel 3 came out and bought a TE. It took me awhile to get used to. Just play on whatever you're comfortable with. I will say this though, once I learned how to play on stick, it made playing charge character in street fighter so much easier for me. Hearing the sound of the buttons on stick also made learning combos slightly easier.

[@FabschOblivion669]

I scratched the itch to get a FightStick early this year by simply buying the Hori FS mini for the Switch. Some say I should have saved more money for better sticks, especially because some say the size is just way too small, but since I have no reference point because I never played on a stick before the one I bought, I am just fine with the one I have. I already got used to it. I might change it in the future, but I’m not in a hurry to do that.

[@senjugiku]

people have generally told me that the defining factor on whether or not you want to play stick or pad is that certain things are easier to do with each. iirc someone told me that movement is a lot better with a stick, while certain button combinations might be easier with pad. i don't remember the exact advice i was given, but there are pros and cons to play with both and neither is better than the other.

[@jalcome4201]

I cant do circles on keyboard. I imagine its gonna take me days to figure out. If a stick could make that easier, id def consider buying one

[@asaplueiii]

My mom caught me playing with my stick in the middle of the night

[@R1c0941]

Maybe cause it loud

[@cope3415]

r/whoosh

[@Puffle573]

@@cope3415 Nope, it isn't a woooosh

[@cope3415]

@@Puffle573 no it definitely is cause the first guy quoted the vid and the guy put a genuine answer to the problem that was a joke meaning that shit went straight over his head making it a whoosh

[@masa5300]

@@cope3415 i'm pretty sure he wasn't serious with his response lol. r/wooosh should be on you

[@johnkang1202]

Great intro. Great video. I was felt stick was superior for fighting games, but that maybe because I started on arcade boxes.

[@KindOldRaven]

Practise and comfort, just like you said. I'm old now but even as a kid I couldn't play fighting games on a DPAD (and no, analog stick is no option for me lol) because my thumb would hate me. Especially when deathgripping.

[@170AndBeyond]

I agree with everything in this video. I bought at stick a couple years ago. Played Tekken for years on pad ( I still do actually), but I will add that playing on stick is not as hard or cumbersome as some people say. There is a learning period, but if you have fundamentals, and because they are made for fighters, you will find them to be intuitive. I bought the Hori HRAP and loved it, and I just ordered the Vitrix Pro, but that’s cause I bought it as a celebration for getting a new job during this crazy time.

[@TheTouristArrives]

Congratulations on the new job, dude! Stay safe out there!

[@free_playstation_2]

For a fairly short answer for anyone who plays on PC: Keyboard is borderline broken For decent examples, you can have multiple binds for moving in a certain direction. So if you struggle with a shoryuken motion on the four directional arrows, you could use something like a numpad, or if you think that a normal 3x2 button layout for your attacks is uncomfortable, you could have the attacks on a 2x3, or you could bind your most used attacks closer to where your fingers usually sit, stuff like that. Another example, for Tekken fans, Korean Backdashing is complicated to do. For a backdash that works on characters with sways, you need to tap back once, go to neutral, tap back, go to down back, then back again, go to neutral, and do the back, down back, back, neutral cycle. This takes weeks, if not months to get fast and consistent with. In a keyboard though, you can hold back and tap forward and down repeatedly and you'll get a fast backdash. And for the last example, it's just easy to grasp. Doing a consistent Akuma combo in 3rd Strike (low mk, short tatsu, heavy shoryuken, optional cancel into super art 1, then light shoryuken) was very hard when I used a controller, but then I decided to use my keyboard and I started hitting it consistently within a few minutes of practice. Understanding motions in a controller is easy but handling them is a different chore. But personally I picked the keyboard because the under side of my left thumb started blistering when I tried to do fast execution in Tekken, so there's that.

[@PebblesOTB]

No you don't, Maximillian Dood said the same.

[@Noobshire]

Generally, I learned SF2 in an arcade with a stick then played some versions on console. Was never happy with a gamepad/controller compared to stick. Muscle memory and all that. Having recently bought SFV, I'm probably going to get a stick controller, if only to save my controller from abuse (already too late). :)

[@marccarter1350]

I learnt with a stick right out on SF4. The only other time i had play was in the Arcade. So it felt natural. I attempted the D-pad, didn't work.

[@carlos25301]

Man... loving the diversity of your vids @jmcrofts. Keep'em rolling bro.

[@TheMasterOfCeremony]

Hello JMCrofts! I personally switched from the dual shock 4 to a stick about a year ago (Nacon Daija - I’m from Belgium) and was really happy about it for the main reasons that made me switch to stick, being my incredibly sore thumbs when playing for an extended time (the DS4 was killing my thumb when it comes to quarter circle inputs). And just like you described in this video, my skills took quite a hit for at least a few months until I got used to playing on stick. There were still some subtleties I couldn’t get around with the stick as opposed to the d-pad (instant air dash for instance), so I also went for the Razer Raion to try out that « best of both worlds » feel, being the d-pad for the left hand and tapping buttons claw style with the typical fight stick layout. Now to be completely honest, I play much better on the Raion pad than on any of the other devices I have (DS4 & Fight stick)... and yet, I still love playing on stick a bit more, there’s just something really satisfying to play around with those big buttons. My question to you would be, would you recommend looking into a hit box to see if that would really actually be the best of both worlds in my case? Have you tried out a Hit box and how do you like it? I’m also curious about the cross/up they’re working on... it intrigued me a lot as it’s a hybrid between stick and the extra inputs for directional buttons. Unfortunately none of these products can be tried out here in Belgium so if I ever want to try it out, I have to go the expensive way and purchase it... which would suck if it ends up not being for me.

[@OMCPero]

Exactly my story😂 went from DS4 with backbuttons to Raion, and now with Daija.. it‘s tough, from Gold back to Bronze 🙃 it will take time to get used to stick. Are you still playing, using the Daija?

[@KiraGaerled]

Super informative for someone who knew nothing on a topic, thanks

[@aldon560]

I have huge hands and long fingers. Playing on the pads are a pain and everything feels cramped. I might try a stick soon.

[@thathandleistakentrythisone]

This is like saying do you need a $3000 Gibson LP to play a live show.

[@Aetohatir]

I think the biggest advantage is the consistency. Updating you stick for a new console or buying a new stick will feel the same as opposed to different controllers.

[@removelimitbreak7524]

Personally I wanted to start completely fresh learning fighting games. Id never played any fighting games prior to buying a stick. I wanted to completely separate my muscle memory for fighting games from games on pad. It really helped me and if you feel like that would help you too I highly recommend stick. But as always. If stick isn't for you stay on your pad. Or maybe look into a hitbox or a mixbox.

[@LiquidChamploo]

It took me a couple weeks to get the stick down. imo, it’s harder to mash on stick and just “hope” for an outcome. Once you start to feel the clicks in the stick you feel how much more control you are in.. These days it can be so character dependent on the stick/pad you use. GGS on arcade stick just feels right. DBFZ i’m just not there yet lol

[@besaidknight]

Go Pad: Let us stick players keep our advantage.

[@clearly182]

The reason I prefer stick is mostly for the more complicated special inputs. I can’t do very consistent pretzel motions with a pad. So if I’m playing snk games I’m definitely gonna grab the stick. I agree that mk feels better on pad though.

[@vin1882]

Lolol. Pretzel motions. Preach!

[@Diyomaro]

I play stick because I grew up with arcade fighting games in bodegas on every corner. I rarely had fighting games at home. I’m also left handed, so strict timing on small buttons was impossible on most pads and I had to try to piano with it leading to hand pain on my right. It’s all about preference. Trust me, I would love to not spend $150+ on sticks.

[@TheVeryHungrySingularity]

I thought for the longest time it wouldn't matter, but after trying a stick I knew it was for me. I don't actually play any better (I have always been terrible) but it's a 1000x more comfortable for my hands.

[@Me2893me]

I really like this video and all the points you make seem really rational and good. Thank You!

[@peliparado94]

I think sticks are a lot of fun and I play fighting games, but for me particularly they're way too expensive. You nailed it on point, if I got 200 to spend in gaming I rather just buy a bunch of games instead of spending half or 3/4s of it in one stick.

[@voutespancar]

the Hori REal Arcade Pro V is the one I have, nice to see it get a good review. Being a Saturn pad player for fighting games all my life, buying adapters or clone controllers of that type for new consoles, I found it very difficult to adapt to stick. In fact, I haven't adapted yet, despite having this stick for 4 years already.... But to be honest I was quick to neglect it when I realized I was still so much better with pad. These quarantine times I ogt the stick out of the closet and trying to get used to it in a wide variety of arcade games... Gonna take a long time.

[@megamario5599]

Pretty informative video overall, i always enjoy your videos, I just hope more people could give enough information about pads too! It seems like people don't really mention stuff outside of the regular ps4 pad or some mods for it

[@icefalcon2243]

Good video! I use both I never want to be bad at either one even though I might not be amazing at either

[@VVheeli]

The only fighting games I’ve played for a while are MVC3 and DBFZ. And both I think are fine with a pad because of the 4-button structure and tags. But then I started trying out SF5 and Killer Instinct, and I gotta say the 6-buttons are killing my mind and I think I’d need a stick just because I’ve had the 4 buttons ingrained in my mind. LMH kicks and punches are just weird layouts on a controller.

[@wh0racle3]

stick is just more fun to me, I enjoy it more if you get a stick and suck at first, heres a tip: play some old 2d games like Mega man or castlevania with it. It helps you get used to it

[@noodletribunal9793]

Coming from melee where we all have dying hands, i think i'd definitely like to try a stick out. i always thought they looked fun to play with, too. thanks for the video! probably going to start with the drone to see how i like it.

[@veritron]

I think the pad vs. stick is character/game dependent, with Street Fighter games probably benefiting the most from stick overall. Zangief can be very difficult for pad because of the motions (I still can't play him on pad but he's not bad at all with stick), and I never really got good at charge characters like Guile/Bison until I switched. I don't see the point of using stick for say, Dragon Ball FighterZ.

[@Rationalific]

I gave you a "like" as soon as you gave the short answer, but I also stuck around to the end!

[@michaelhalteh9277]

Great video explaining the reason's the arcade stick is beneficial, controller most people use because it's what we get used to.

[@GurenHn]

I've recently found out I can play dbfz on keyboard. I'm too broke for a fight stick so I customize my keyboard to be like one... broke life

[@aleckbo]

I felt that lmao

[@naejimba]

Instead of the Hitbox you got the Shitbox j/k

[@zoltankerekes4506]

Might be also worth to add that pro pads can really help as well.

[@ThePhobicSuperior]

I just switched from pad to stick and it's really frustrating having to learn the inputs again. I'm improving and I can tell that once I get good it'll be easier to do certain inputs with it, but in the meantime it's pretty annoying knowing what to do but not how to do it.

[@rococopati]

Depends on the games when you play more demanding games you need a stick it won't make you a better player but it feels and is better ,you feel more confident doing the inputs and movements.

[@Demon09-_-]

+1 on the qanba drone I use that thing as a loner stick for friends or a stick for friends to play on. for the price I snagged it on sale it was like 44 bucks and well worth having it

[@TheRealFaceyNeck]

I would highly recommend buying a set of SANWA buttons and joystick. Then print out a fight stick layout you like the look of, and then build a box out of cardboard/shoebox/whatever. I did NOT do this, bought the cheapest LED set I could find on eBay and built it into a USPS Medium Priority box. My only complaint is the low-grade hardware. I built it like 2 years ago. Cardboard means it's super lightweight. Easy to rebuild if you want to change the layout... but the hardware in my fight stick is HORRIBLE. I oftentimes miss inputs because the buttons stick. So... yeah. High quality parts are high quality, and you can build a VERY good stick for like $50 bucks, some duct tape and a box.

[@jordanstanfield7361]

1 huge advantage I've learned on controller is when someone tries to cross you up you can literally block both ways at once by using the d pad and the stick at the same time hold back on the d pad and forward on the stick it will block both ways

[@ZeroillusionX]

there's some games where having a stick could be consider a better choice over the controller, I play zero on tatsunoko vs capcom, and people always ask me that question, I use a controller, since the game allows me to map a button several times im able to play efficiently, in fact, playing zero on a controller is in my opinion better since switch charging is simply easier on the muscle memory and you won't tire yourself out as much, the stick is better on games where plinking and rapid fire moves are more prominent since it takes less of a strain on the hands, it's easier to rapid fire with a stick than with a controller which limits the amount of times you can press a button due to the position of the hand. In short, it depends on the game structure, but most of the times games don't need a stick, and some can make a difference, but at a core level, you don't need a stick to play efficiently.

[@reilly5005]

I use pad but I do use either control stick or d-pad depending on the game

[@Kaiju_02]

My controllers were breaking down on me Playing Fighting games. I have like 6 xbox controllers and 3 Ps4 Controllers After my controllers started breaking down, I ended buying a Stick so i can actually use my controllers for other games. It definitely took a while to get comfortable just holding the stick let alone doing combos. All in all the Stick definitely saved me money in the long run!!!!!

[@djenttyrant]

I made the swap to stick back in march due to wearing out too many d-pads on xbone controllers. I would really recommend the stick I went with which was the mayflash f500 its a $70-80 stick with sanwa parts and compatible with all kinds of stuff.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

I just picked up the 8bitdo stick and right now I am very happy I didn't buy a more expensive stick. I have a home built "bubblebox" which is a leverless box made more for melee and other platform fighters but works fine with traditional fighters. I am 33 so I spent some time in arcades but they were starting to die out when I was in my teens so I didn't spend too much time on stick. Anyways So far I am not a fan of the stick. I am stuck between the leverless and a normal controller. Since I am mostly playing Street Fighter 6 I am using modern controls on the controller and classic controls on the box. Its a hard choice between these 2 but I think I want to go with the box or "leverless" but I did just order an octagonal gate for my stick and maybe that will make me change my mind but with the stock square gate its a no from me. But a mini review of the 8bitdo it feels really nice. Its got decent weight, the buttons feel solid, being wireless or wired is nice, and it being from 8bitdo is just nice. I am a bit of an 8bitdo fanboy though. I bought their sn30 pro plus a long time ago and was surprised at the quality for the price. I recently got their mechanical keyboard and have been really impressed. Since I wanted a stick and was debating between 8bitdo, mayflash f300 elite or f500 elite, and the qanba drone 2 I decided to stay with the cheaper option of the 8bitdo as I know their quality is usually very good and since I wasn't sure if I would like it, it made the most sense.

[@daisukenanashi1778]

I switched from pad to Hitbox. Played on Pad for about 10yrs and decided to switch because my thumb kept taking a beating from the DPad. I did not get a stick due to past experiences playing on my friends's sticks. I just couldn't get my motion inputs to come out clean so I opted for a hitbox. Went and got a modded Qanba Obsidian, it took me a couple hours to get used to it. My biggest trouble nowadays is getting a consistent and fast DP motion on P2 side, just haven't practiced it much since I mostly play DBFZ lol

[@TigasFMS]

I played fighterz with a controller before. I bought a stick and it was much harder to play at the beginning. However, after some time I felt like doing more advanced combos was easier on the stick then on the controller. I think it's because I prefer to hit multiple hands with the hand instead of having fingers on both the buttons and on the Ls and Rs. So I think it's a matter of preference

[@davidfrance2915]

There's a technical term you kept using regarding stick vs pad. You mentioned "budget". What is this "budget" you refer to?

[@vinhtran2405]

Money

[@phazedq]

How much money you can spend

[@crusaddy]

a budget controller = a cheap controller

[@alrightthen9395]

Plot twist: The only reason he says that switching to stick won’t help you become a better player is because he doesn’t want other people to become better.

[@JUN10R_SAMA]

Ironically I used pad first, then I was intrigued on how good people were good with sticks, but ended up going back to pad. My execution turned out to be way better after I used stick. I plan on going back to stick permanently after I build my pc

[@Demon09-_-]

the obsidian id say is a high end stick at the 199 msrp it goes on sale for 99-150 sometimes and has the option to pick up hitbox mod kits which is great

[@Sativa989]

I switched to stick reason being I went through 4 pads one being a fight pad. If your to heavy handed your really fucked. Pad wears over time especially down input. So overall stick was a great investment for me. I recommend modding put in oversized actuator, really helps with "IAD" like in fast pace fighters like DBFZ . If you don't like that "loose feel" with joycon go with 4lb spring. 4lb might feel to tight note you do break them in.

[@bigphil0005]

I got the Hayabusa RAP Pro V for nintendo switch. Ended up costing me $150 new. I ended up getting a bunch adaptors so I can use it on a bunch of other consoles! Probably my favorite stick I own.

[@keystone5750]

It doesn’t matter for most characters, but negative edge characters like Zato are definitely easier on stick.

[@steeplewiththesnakes]

You can just claw, but yeah stick is still more comfortable

[@mikaelson856]

I think ergonomic for me I always had fun playing fighting games but when started using a stick I just felt more confortable and genuinely had more fun than I thought I would have playing

[@rickyjaramillo3156]

Yeah, personally i can only play with Arcade stick with games that were typically found at arcades. New games like fighterz, MK11, And Guilty zgear Strive i play only on pad. Astro c40 to be exact. Ps5 controller sucks. But games like Marvel vs Capcom, and Street Fighter i definitely need an Arcade Stick to play. These just my 2 cents

[@denisn8336]

I'm learning arcade stick just cause the dualsense sucks

[@rickyjaramillo3156]

@@denisn8336 facts, im just waiting for 3rd parties to come out with better ones.