Logs from one job turned into boards for another, to make a fence

[@corylenihan2736]

Jesse , you might be the only contractor i have watched that actually knows what he is talking about. I know because i am also one, Great job. Loving the videos.

[@jmuller86]

thanks. I juggle alot of different types of work but I try to stay proficient in each area.

[@ckaspersen]

Rock on, Jesse Muller. Giving me all kinds of spirit to get the job done!

[@kellysprayberry8163]

Enjoyed the video. I like your music selections, enjoyable to watch and listen to, nothing obnoxious, smooth. I enjoyed the 360 video and the tiny planet shot as well.

[@mrMacGoover]

In a state surrounded by trees there is always use for a sawmill, A wise investment that pays itself off again and again.

[@twofeathers6540]

great job thanks for the video have fun

[@matthewsnyder6028]

You do a nice job

[@mygrammieis]

Awesome video sharing

[@twofeathers6540]

lot of trees grate job

[@rexlex1736]

I'm completely blown away by the craftsmanship of Jesse Muller and Andrew Camarata!

[@julesdby]

Nice work again Jesse, main thing I love is nothing goes to waste. Even off cuts go out for free, you probably helping someone far less fortunate keep warm. Fantastic job

[@jmuller86]

thanks, yea somebody suggested doing that here on youtube to my dad and he put up the sign, his channel is Dan Wheeler, if you havent already seen it. he put up the sign and within a day had 2 people that will take as much as we can throw over there

[@clydeacor1911]

Nice job. And you're 100% right on having to rip up the potholes to mix the material back together. That's where counties fail on repairing their gravel roads. But they're going to have a bad road again for a few reasons. Mainly because the driveway is at ground level or lower which causes it to get water saturation, honestly it needs built up at least 12 inches and a crown put on it to shed the water. Being a contractor I know how the majority of customers are and don't want to spend any money to do it right the first time even though it would save them money down the road so you just end up doing it the way they want. I even make them sign the contract stating that it won't fix the problem and that they'll just keep having the same issues because it never fails a couple months down the road they always call back saying that the road is crap and want you to come and fix it for free.

[@jmuller86]

yea this company just rents the property so they were not interested in doing it right, and the driveway is over a mile long.

[@clydeacor1911]

@@jmuller86 Ya I can't say that I blame them for not wanting to invest much into something that they don't even own. At a mile long and 12 feet wide by 12 inches deep it would take 2,346.66 cubic yards or 3,285.32 tons of material plus trucking and blading it out then rolling it. It would definitely cost them some coin! 3/4" inch minus here runs around $8 per ton so that's just over $26,000 just in materials so they'd definitely be looking around at least $50,000 depending on how far you'd have to truck the gravel.

[@edwardgarea7650]

Clyde Acor Concerning potholes, Hell, not only gravel roads, but paved ones as well.

[@jeffmayeux1692]

Loved the video and use of drone. Beautiful area. Editing work was phenomenal. Working with Andrew was an added bonus!

[@DavidGrassSr]

Just look at all the equipment you half to have to build a fence , i'm glad you a Andrew work together , y'all make a very good team. Its nice to see young men helping each other, that's what its all about ?? Texas

[@jmuller86]

that is what its all about. thanks

[@augustreil]

Looks awesome Jesse, Beautiful work. If they want those fence posts to last, coat the tops with fiberized roof cement and drill a 3/4'' hole at an angle, starting 6'' above the ground down into the center of the post, 6'' below the ground level. Then fill the hole with diesel/kerosene/oil to stop the post from rotting where they always do, where it meets the ground. Cap holes with a removable wooden plug, so the hole can be refilled until completely saturated. Gramps taught me that trick when I was like 10yrs old. I've never had a post snap off at ground level.

[@jmuller86]

thats an interesting idea. I think concrete rots them out much quicker too, I try not to use it when i dont have to. but in this case, the company rents the land so they are not looking for the fence to last, because they may have to pay to get it removed lol. but good idea you have, may have to give it a try

[@augustreil]

@@jmuller86, I hear ya, thanks.

[@MrSickmickey]

I love the fact that you give away the slab wood to those that need it.

[@JoelHershberger]

Awesome video. I love your content. It is really cool when you have the resources to take nature (logs) and turn them into a product. You see it from start to finish. It also gives you an opportunity to make a little more money. Making the wood for that job might have taken longer, but you have the opportunity to help pad your pocket too. Thanks for sharing the video. It was fun and entertaining to watch. I am also enjoying the castle build you have going with Andrew. Very cool.

[@TheKajunkat]

Thanks for the tip about potholes. We have a couple that just won't go away. I am going to use the teeth on the box blade to rip em up and start over. Wish me luck!

[@toddsamuel8532]

Nice little second gig ya got going on there!! Good job

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@danwheeler5130]

nice vid jesse fence looks great and it's nice to see our mill making money

[@jmuller86]

thanks, it worked out pretty well, thought I was going to be a few short but I actually had like 2 boards left over

[@danwheeler5130]

@@jmuller86 cool

[@thecross8850]

Good job on the fence! Looks nice.

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@bruceblais7958]

Ya it is cool, at least your using it and not putting it in the land fill, fence came out nice, and the skid steer is doing well cool.

[@jmuller86]

thanks, I try to be a conservative person, I absolutely hate waste of any kind

[@shellez101]

That bucket is working perfect now , great job!

[@jameshicks4944]

Good gravel driveway info,thanks for the video.

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@RRRRR7-c7r]

Impressive channel I just started watching. Then I foundout you were a master electrician I was even more empressed. Being around the same age and I have also been a electrician since I was 16 or 17 in Maine. Now have a industrial manfacturing business in Florida selling tractor bucket hooks, 3pt hitch skidders, all cat 0 - 3 3pt hitch pins. It just exploded in last couple months. Your trade skills are very impressive.

[@buddyreed2623]

How about trading Jesse some of what you make for advertisement on his videos?

[@RRRRR7-c7r]

@@buddyreed2623 I don't get any advertisement off Jesse sir. I don't get any business from a comment on a youtube channel never mind 6 likes. lol I didnt even mention my business name or link outside of the gmail icon google gives you for a account. My business mostly comes from Ebay. wow . I needed a laugh. Have a good day.

[@buddyreed2623]

@@RRRRR7-c7r I guess you did not understand what I was saying. It could be a way to generate more business. After all, Jesse has over 77 thousand subscribers. Those subscribers could be potential customers or maybe they know someone that could benefit from your business.

[@RRRRR7-c7r]

@@buddyreed2623 gotcha

[@RRRRR7-c7r]

@@buddyreed2623 Yeah if your on a website like ebay and have a youtube channel use your product. Then they post a link for it to Ebay. Ebay will pay half the commission I pay ebay. 5% of total price. I have done it before

[@dirtdauberexcavation1104]

Another fine job. Thanks for the videos

[@jmuller86]

thank you

[@bigbird2100]

What a great setup use up logs and make a great little video 👍

[@jskidpatrol]

Cool camera shots attached to the moving boards 👍

[@rafidishak7801]

Hi Jess...I follow your videos they are very entertaining and educational .you following the foot steps of your friend camarata...and I believe your chanel will have the same success as Andrew's one.wish you the best of luck and keep up the good work.

[@eddiereichel9354]

9:18 Your theory of tearing up pothole is really solid. Iv seen other KZbinrs that have "equipment" channels that just spread gravel over the holes. I live in NWPA on a dirt road. I really wish the township understood this same theory. I also think that the compaction rate of the soil plays a part. Being there is a thicker amount of loose soil in the hole than is over the grade.

[@glennfryer1539]

Nice sized machine, a good investment, nice shed for your seasoned wood ...nice setup .. you have some nice clean equipment.. nice to see ...

[@morgansword]

Excellent job of saving material. It makes no sense unless you break the surface tension and then the holes find new places as they never stop. They just trade places but the road really needs a ditch so it doesn't wash itself out.

[@DIRT-BOSS]

That is a slick Saw..Be real nice to make your own white oak trailer decking..

[@jmuller86]

yea I get customers giving away oak all the time, I never use it for more than firewood, oak is heavy though, I usually just use hemlock for trailer decks, but I could see oak on the bigger trailers

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@jmuller86 yeah I always used to do hemlock I only get three years out of it.. I've been using regular treated lumber from Depot holds up pretty good.

[@augustreil]

@@DIRT-BOSS, Could you soak them with oil or ''wood'' they become to slick ?

[@DIRT-BOSS]

@@augustreil I've done that in the past too but then every time you chain bind something down you get oil residue on your clothes..

[@augustreil]

@@DIRT-BOSS, Yeah it does.

[@Alanschmalzried]

Cool project! Neat that you had the wood from logs to lumber and end use.

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@stephenlees9752]

Hey Jesse good video, being a builder and operator as well i would recommend a 4in1 bucket for your skid steer and build yourself a leveling/smudge bar for the leveling and back blade work. they just do a really good job of leveling material quickly. I have also use a RHS steel section with grader cutting edges bolted to it for cutting and clearing ground quickly, it works a treat and would be great for cleaning out the pot holes.

[@candace3676]

Loved the shots with the camera on the logs. Really cool. Looking down those logs from the end as they cut was nice.

[@petermccall8975]

Another video well done. Idea for a future one: I like your explanations of what you are doing and why, so as enjoyable as the time lapse with music tracks are, how about a narrated one talking about why and how you are milling a log the way you do, describing both the machinery and the technique. If it's too loud when the saw is running and you are moving, you could voice-over, no? Anyway, I'd watch.

[@jmuller86]

yea I have been thinking about doing something like that, I have a video coming out soon about installing a new electric service, I may have to do that because the wind messed up the mic alot , thanks

[@robertsimmons3556]

Good video Jesse. I liked the camera angles when you were milling the fence pickets. You talked about the pot holes, good explanation for why they are difficult to fix and that setting water is a road's biggest enemy. The pumping action is not easily understood by most. Was watching the video thinking how I would handle that access road with difficult geology...definitely widen, build up a good crown and try to make a swale, before I finished, your typed narrative documented...Great minds...LOL Keep up the good videos and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to you and your family.

[@jmuller86]

yea they need alot of work done to make it right, and I usually would suggest they start chipping away at it, but they are renting the property so they are just trying to get by for now, its hard to work those jobs because you know if you look out for their best interest, its almost unprofessional to go along with it, but if you turned them all down you would have not much work lol thanks

[@robertsimmons3556]

@@jmuller86 Roger That Jesse! Ya need to feed the family and put a roof over your head. I still like your work ethic..so we both know it's a balance..LOL

[@petessite]

Need to get a crown on the roads , i came from New Zealand & had a farm which had endless metal roards (gravel) no tarseal , the graders were continually going around gradeing up , never had potholes , but there was always a good crown to get water away , having everything flat is flogging a dead horse , you will be forever filling holes to no avail , get that built up in the centre , she'll be right then , love the videos , keep up the good work

[@marshasmith6320]

Great video Jesse

[@patdavis6383]

You said digging the post holes with the auger was boring. Yes, by definition! :)

[@agentstarling9998]

Nice!! I 👀 what you did there 😉

[@MrKamccarthyinc]

Nice job Jesse. Looks like your SSQA hitch is holding up well on your skidsteer.

[@charleshodge5023]

Beautiful work milling the timber. I would be really interested to know the condition of the hydro filters on the skid steer after 50 hrs or so - seems to run pretty good

[@jmuller86]

yea that machine runs really good and has been very dependable. I will check the filters the next time I use it

[@dustinpryde3121]

nice looking work.

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@travisbucholz]

Awesome camera work man! I really enjoyed the video

[@jmuller86]

thank you

[@jakeduffin4626]

Great video and very nice work!

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@bobsrepairshop]

I thought that was you over at Andrews helping with the steel work. You made a comment awhile back about how expensive ceder logs are in your area. I just sold two log truck loads of Western Red Ceder to a custom mill for $3500 a truck load. 32 foot logs about 30" to 40" inches in diameter. Are you using one of the DJI drones for your video's? I'm hoping for a Mavic Pro under the tree. Keep up the good work Jesse, you video's are fun to watch. I appreciate all the thought you put into them.

[@JohnSmith-pu7vb]

I'm left wondering why you "wired" the posts on the pool to the chain link posts while sitting on top of the concrete pad? That looks like a sail that will take it all down shortly.

[@jmuller86]

those steel posts are embedded in the concrete, so it shouldnt go anywhere, its all temporary anyways, this company rents the property

[@eddiemortontapman7252]

Ever tried fabric softener mix to lube your saw blade on your mill ?

[@heathworsley8347]

Very nice work. Do you think perhaps a bulldozer wood work better for digging down to the bottom of those deep puddles? And do you have any plans to add one to your Fleet of tools?

[@jmuller86]

a dozer blade would have to go much deeper than would be efficient, teeth pointed slightly downward is the trick so it loosens the ground, instead of pushing alot of dirt around, teeth allow you to leave some of the gravel there but its loosened to accept the new gravel, yea I have always wanted a dozer but right now I am trying to get going on building my new house, so I am trying to save some money and time for that

[@heathworsley8347]

I didn't think of that. Makes good sense. Thanks, keep up the good work.

[@AntoniEmanuel7328]

I live in a apartment in the middle of a city, But i know I need a saw mill and a skid steer.

[@Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63]

LOL, I've been looking at skid steers on Craigslist for the same reason.

[@c50ge]

@@Red.Hot.Chili.Beans63 Let the know you’ll volunteer on weekends. They might let you help

[@sausanalialmusawi750]

You did a great job and make the land became so beautiful

[@ashrevlution3456]

What was the measurement betweem those posts? I'm looking at doing a similar project in my garden and would like to know whether the spacing between the posts has to be at a certain distance.

[@aaronhayden1780]

Just depends on the boards you are using, if your using 4x4 post with 8 foot boards you would want the posts 7 foot 8 inches apart so there would be a 2 inch overlap on the 4x4 so you have somthin to nail to

[@HalfAssHomestead]

I've watched many of your videos. First let me say I'm drooling over your drone. The fish eye view is cool as all. But wished I lived closer to get some of your free millings for my woodshop. :(

[@tmack2090]

nice video !! thanks for sharing !!

[@sallac8243]

Hiya Jesse, just wondering why you say the best way for posts is to avoid concrete? Here in the UK it's generally the opposite. I know in certain climates heave and post hole profile can cause issues, is that the reasoning here? Brilliant vids, cheers.

[@okiekidd6091]

Hey Jesse, I love your videos and you do a great job. When you mill your lumber do you use today's dimensions for the lumber or do you make a true 2 x 4 and so on? Especially when you are making boards for your own use. Thanks keep up the good work.

[@jmuller86]

actually I tend to be on the conservative side and make them 1.5x3.5, I dont think the bigger size is necessary, but whats nice is to just mill any size beam you want

[@cjdixon7132]

Very slick video. Please keep up the good work. Merry Christmas.

[@jackjacke4654]

I had to stop myself from saying you need to build up the middle of the road to make a crown. Then you finally said it. Needs more gravel or shale...

[@jmuller86]

yea they needed alot more gravel, but they just rent the property so they werent interested in doing it the right way

[@jackjacke4654]

@@jmuller86 Don't blame them...

[@donaldtrabeaux1305]

Awesome job

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@darrenstockton9595]

enjoyed watching this what do you do with you sawdust because that must be a mess after you fininished do you bury it or do you recycle it to use for other things jesse

[@jmuller86]

we really havent found a good use for sawdust, so we just burn it

[@allenhibler137]

You know how to get rid of potholes the proper way.

[@laneburgess1643]

Great video.

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@chucker440]

Keep the videos coming

[@jmuller86]

will do thanks

[@MrPhotodoc]

Thumbs up on the "tiny planet" video effect.

[@jmuller86]

thanks, alot of people dont like it but I think its awesome

[@LoftechUK]

The reuse of timber isn’t done enough in the UK. Amazing setup

[@Melicoy]

Would stagger the joint make it stronger?

[@jmuller86]

I would try to in some instances, like those 8 ft spacings on the first part, those rails would have been better being 16 ft so you can stagger, the other ones, we couldnt really stagger because the main post was every 10 ft, the intermediate posts had no strength, they were just dummies, so I didnt feel it would add to land the joint on them every other time

[@eddiejordan7061]

Is there anyway you can save the sawdust for compost?

[@Donald819]

If you back drag with the toothed bucket you can accomplish the same goal with out moving so much of your material.

[@buildstoys]

I was wondering why Andrew said "that guy is taking some logs" when we all knew it was you :)

[@jmuller86]

yea that was about a year ago , I had just met him not too long before that. these logs are not from him but I did get alot of logs from him

[@buildstoys]

@@jmuller86 Ahh ok, didn't know his videos might be that old. Thanks and keep up the great work!

[@jmuller86]

@@buildstoys well i think he was ongoing with that job, I believe he kept his dozer there for quite a while, but the first of that work was about jan or feb of last year

[@silentepsilon888]

@@buildstoys ... yes, Andrew added to the video over a long time. At some point he unloads his 'new' skidsteer and comments on it as he just got it, but we know he already has it for around a year. You also see the grey Dodge truck in use which is out of service now and replaced by the white one. And at some point he says 'it's 4 or 5 months later now' as he continues the job there.

[@silentepsilon888]

@@jmuller86 .... It seems that you two have done quite a number of jobs together already in that short time. You two work well together as I saw on the castle roof build video and the fact that your video style is very similar makes it interesting .... like a video series with two crews, working similar jobs in similar style ... it's pretty cool to watch!

[@sebianoti]

Was that you helping Andrew with the roof extension?

[@jmuller86]

yes

[@JohnnyConcrete67]

@@jmuller86 In that case: I subscribe now.

[@AndrewBrowner]

were there any issues with that fence that was tied to the poolside fence? seems like alot of weight and wind resistance for the tiny shallow posts they typically use for those wire fences, basically strapped a big parachute to it

[@iracole7134]

Man you do to much hard work

[@jtfisrtbuild947]

Nice to see the logs going from job to build on a different job man I bet those trees alone made you some good coin ? And also you're 100% correct on how to fix potholes that's the only way to get red of one .however dont it seems everytime you fix one more seam to take its place somewhere in the road ? Great work

[@jmuller86]

I think I saved about 800 by milling myself, and it took a long day to do it all so I guess I got paid $100 an hour, sounds like alot but its what I make every day doing excavation, It was more the neat factor that drove me to mill them

[@jtfisrtbuild947]

@@jmuller86 you nailed it big time for me. Haha I to operate for a living difference being not for myself. Guess Maybe some day. I also do a little woodworking as a hobby and love sawmills. Being in southern California where there's more concrete than trees its great to live vicariously throw hard working KZbinrs like yourself gaining knowledge before I get a mill of my own. Keep up the great work man

[@jmuller86]

@@jtfisrtbuild947 thanks, a mill is a real nice addition if you like wood at all, I can build entire buildings without relying on stores for much more than fasteners and maybe the roofing ( you can even mill roofing that will last almost as long as shingles)

[@mrMacGoover]

That heavy duty sawmill with the 20 hp twin engine looked like it could chew though just about anything that you could throw at it. What brand is it.. Hudson?

[@jmuller86]

yea its a hudson but it actually has a 35 horse motor on it

[@mrMacGoover]

@@jmuller86 Oh Wow, even better!

[@tedfarkas]

Wonder how long those fence posts last before they rot? What kind of trees were they?

[@jmuller86]

those were pressure treated posts, but this company rents this property so they werent looking for it to last, as they may have to pay to have it removed when they leave

[@Nautikuus]

Thanks for sharing this great video! Happy holidays to you and your family!

[@jmuller86]

thanks, yours as well

[@michaelmaker8169]

Can you do repair work with out getting a variance?

[@jamesgoodman8679]

Would be a wise investment to purchase a bulldozer with a angle pitch height adjustment for doing gravel roads even though bedrock is close to the surface u still can install a drainage ditch on that road job. Unless u are looking for job security to always come back to repair it seasons later.

[@jmuller86]

this company just rents the property and the driveway is over a mile long. so they arent looking to repair it right. there is too many trees within 2 ft from the side of the driveaway to put a ditch in. only way is bringing in like 500 tons of gravel and raising is but like I said they rent the property so thats not going to happen

[@kf5435]

Good stuff, thanks

[@yasminghani2073]

Enjoyed the video

[@randyhobbs67]

You can crown that road all day but if the water has no where to go then you will be back in the same shape you were in with pot holes. The key to driveway is giving the water somewhere to go.

[@jmuller86]

yea its hard because there is like a mile of driveway and these people just rent the land so they were not going for doing it correctly

[@____________________________.x]

Interesting point that the silt pushes the new gravel out of the pothole

[@philipmorehouse1069]

Free slab wood, how about saw dust - my grandfather use to give both away from his mill and it was always in demand by the local farmers, etc... I use to build a crown in the road high enough to force the water off the edges - used a lot of shale; it stayed put and packed down like concrete while still allowing good drainage.

[@dalelewis1016]

A box blade would help greatly sculpting a slope on the driveway

[@Z-Bart]

Those were some nice logs. 30" or so?

[@jmuller86]

yea the one I milled by myself at the end was pushing 36

[@sausanalialmusawi750]

Hi. How much it cost you just to open driveway, with cutting each tree?

[@rsp6549]

good content. nice editing. +!

[@martj1313]

So i watch a video about fencing and don't see a single sword, wtf?

[@jmuller86]

lol

[@Murphyslawfarm]

lol

[@wjf0ne]

Mart j Foiled again.

[@martj1313]

@@wjf0ne clever, you get a thumbs up for that

[@martineastburn3679]

Dome the road. Water runs off each side. If kept flat - constant fix. Dome or cup and cup means a trench in the center and that takes the water away to a stream... Dome Dome Dome.

[@jmuller86]

it this case that would mean an enormous amount of gravel to bring it, the company just rents this property so they were not looking to do this

[@lambition]

How long would untreated wood last? I think it wouldn't last too long, especially near the ground.

[@jmuller86]

the posts are treated, I bought them

[@lambition]

@@jmuller86 I was referring to the boards.

[@ZingyLemur]

I been reading through before I said something about the untreated boards id like to know also I assume oak dried will last if that was oak

[@jmuller86]

@@ZingyLemur they are going to paint them, the existing fence was the same way. if you dont protect them the sun and moisture will probably ruin them in 10 years. if you seal/paint/oil them they should last 30 years or so

[@arnoldpraesent174]

So you are cutting the trees green into boards, are you also using the boards wet/green? Not afraid it will twist or shrink like hell?

[@rjb6327]

You built a fence with undried wood?

[@jmuller86]

look at the leaves on the trees when I milled, and the snow on the ground when I installed, they dried about 6 months. but I would have no problem installing green wood for fencing, its done all the time around here, I have used green wood for alot of things and learned what I can and can't do with it

[@chrisclark2017]

Framed a grave with living space above using green hemlock. It all shrinks together, no issues. Just don’t mix dried wood with green

[@chrisclark2017]

Garage

[@rjb6327]

@@jmuller86 No twisting or checking when it dries out?

[@johndoe-zk1yu]

this mighr be a dumb question, why would matter if you have a fence more than 6ft tall?

[@jmuller86]

around here 6 ft is max, I think its because over 6 ft is like an industrial look

[@northernfarmer3689]

On a old episode of This Old House they put a long dirt mound about 3-4 feet tall the length of the front yard and put the fence on the mound of dirt as a loophole to legally get the fence higher. Then they just bark mulched it.

[@jmuller86]

@@northernfarmer3689 trump did the same thing when they limited the height of his american flag. he just built up a huge mound of dirt and stuck it on top...gotta give it to him for that

[@GRIZZ357]

Nice work brother, I noticed that there is a shit load of glacier rock where in New York is this place at.

[@nickmastroianni5557]

Hudson Valley

[@GRIZZ357]

Beautiful place brother thank you

[@rngn2010]

what type of band saw blades are you running?

[@jmuller86]

they are actually sharpened by wood mizer

[@robj2704]

A driveway grader like the one letsdig18 or dirtperfect has (can't remember which one) would be perfect for reshaping that driveway. Fit's the front of a skidsteer.

[@jmuller86]

harley rake? yea but these potholes were deep, those rakes can only go an inch deep at a time. I will have one someday but they are expensive

[@ThePlowGuys]

So did Andrew give you those logs or did he charge you for them? In any case, great way to make a fence. thanks for sharing.

[@jmuller86]

those logs came from that jobsite that i installed the concrete slab, the one from 3 days ago. but I did get alot of logs from him this year

[@eddiejordan7061]

What kind o trees are you milling?

[@jmuller86]

eastern hemlock

[@jsource10]

Good work!! Keep it up!

[@jmuller86]

thanks

[@laurelherbert2879]

Can’t you build the road up so you have a bit of height for the water to roll of the gravel

[@jmuller86]

yea but they just rent the property so they werent interested in doing it the right way, plus its about a mile of driveway altogether so it would have been a pretty penny