ROB ZOMBIE'S HALLOWEEN 2 (2009) - WTF Happened to this Horror Movie?

[@360whiplash]

The movie really lost me when Rob Zombie's wife suddenly appeared as a ghostly, evil spirit on a white horse.

[@invaderjae]

Come on, you know he HAS to put his wife in everything he does. Whether or not it makes literally any sense or ruins the movie. He just HAS TO!

[@marteenee88]

Self indulgence.... Vanity

[@alexandrerodrigues9844]

Same here, I remember turning the movie off after it

[@chrislin5588]

Lori/Angel actually killed Michael in Rob Zombies 1st Halloween. In this film all the scenes with Michael in it are visions from Lori/Angel due to abusing prescribed medication. The White Horse might make since to everyone with that in mind. Also watch the directors cut ending which is a day and night difference between the Theatrical cut.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Movie lost everyone else when the movie started with a 20 minute dream sequence.

[@bendyblanco350]

After realizing the first 20 minutes are a dream, you’re pretty much wondering if the rest of the movie is a giant dream sequence as well. Then after watching it, you hope it is

[@garthsegura4440]

Oh do you??

[@dtower1825]

Haha agree

[@NIRVANAmat]

I love this film haha

[@LoneLionLeo]

Hope someone makes an edit so the movie is a dream and the hospital scene is what actually happens lol

[@timothycrosby4251]

The dream sequence is the only part I liked. I loved the first one though.

[@jonathanl9229]

The kill scenes in the second movie were really heavy. I still get teary-eyed when the sheriff sees his daughter has been killed by Michael and he has flashbacks of her as a little girl, while he says, “No..no..no…no.” Over and over again.

[@dahlialilly]

As much as I think it’s sad and gruesome, it’s beautifully done. Brad Dourif was amazing in that scene.

[@JnEricsonx]

@@dahlialilly Brad is great as villains or good guys. I actually like it when actors known for playing villains, psychos, etc like Brad and Jeffrey Combs play more good characters.

[@squallleonheart3020]

Only good part of the film

[@james3414]

yeah its a *needlessly mean* movie, i dont recommend to anyone. i know its a Halloween movie by Rob Zombie, but its still a mainstream franchise with a wide release. i believe that creates an element of dishonesty between the film and the audience, where we can rightfully expect to be scared but entertained... but in my experience i felt gross for watching and it put me on a downer.

[@theneedle6785]

I loved that part. RZ makes the audience face the emotional consequences of murder and violence, how trauma lingers, like in Laurie's PTSD, her argument with her therapist because ultimately her therapy is useless to address her suffering, it addresses true crime exploitation and how it harms survivors.

[@natani___7666]

I genuinely love the opening for this film. It felt great and brutal. Then it was all a dream and then suddenly all the characters are unbearable and Laurie’s hair looks matted and mangy.

[@zmbdog]

Because Rob needs to make every character resemble him. Even the women. I'm surprised he didn't give her a beard.

[@meganlee7445]

I think her hair was supposed to depict the changes that had happened to her and the difficult time she was having. Totally different from the school nerd she was in high school

[@kevinb874]

Nothing will ever top the 1978 original. In my eyes it’s a masterpiece.

[@dariantillman7050]

You can definitely argue that the 2018 sequel is as good if not a little better. I enjoy both. Rob Zombies first remake was also good.

[@travismord4175]

I don't know. None of the Halloween films are that good. Rob Zombie's first movie is the best of all of them.

[@canontheory]

@@travismord4175 house of 1000 corpses is good, that’s his first movie right?

[@travismord4175]

@@canontheory yep!

[@canontheory]

@@travismord4175 badass movie, devils rejects was pretty good too

[@GenoX1987]

Rob Zombie is only capable of making one movie. Everything he puts out is a variant on that one idea.

[@hunterzolomom9480]

ROb zombie did an insane move with dr satan in 1000 corpse house ending but out of blue he deleted that (maybe the best part) from hes life ? wtf it was close to Dark Eldar (Haemonculus) torture scenario [WarHammer 40K] ....rob zombie dont deserve to direct movies anymore .lol

[@keychainere]

If he can’t put psycho hillbillies in it, he ain’t interested. Lol

[@jbeach12078]

@@keychainere that's why i'm afraid of whats he going to do to the Munsters.

[@hunterzolomom9480]

@@keychainere exactally hahaha go back to old town road Rob xD

[@arthas640]

I agree. Hes kind of like a one hit wonder musician (when it comes to directing anyways) and everytime he tries to do anything different he shits the bed. He did 1 half decent hit 1 time and cant do anything else

[@danderson8431]

Octavia’s death is pretty brutal. She way she screams and cries is very realistic. I remember actually feeling uncomfortable watching it.

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

The knife stabs in that opening scene were terrifyingly violent.

[@07foxmulder]

“Octavia”...so you’re on a first name basis with her?

[@roterfuchs8201]

@@07foxmulder In dream sequences im on first names terms with everyone, also I AM THE WIZARDMASTER!

[@demonteprice5870]

Words can't describe how freaking good of an actress Octavia Spencer is

[@twiceshy9773]

@@07foxmulder I call her Aunty Ocky😊

[@tt8807]

It’s HILARIOUS to me that all us horror fans LOVED the first half of RZombie’s Halloween more than the second half of the film!

[@sircharlessir]

I remember being so excited to see the movie. After watching the movie I left the theater confused...like what did I just watch?!?!

[@jdiggitty]

Rob had an appearance on the Nerdist podcast years ago and talked about what went wrong with this movie. It's amazing it even saw release or was completed. Some of the BS limitations they forced him to work with were crazy.

[@idiot_city5444]

Too bad, it shouldn't have been released.

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

He also has DVD commentary and a behind the scenes documentary in the DVD about what went wrong. One of the most hilarious things was "prop guy decided it was cheaper to build a real wall instead of a breakaway wall, infuriating the actor in the Meyers mask."

[@tripendicular]

Sounds like he’s full of excuses. He just makes bad movies honestly.

[@NewBeginningNewCreation]

Odd, that sounds like exactly what was already said in this video. 🙄

[@1bwash]

Yeah but watch a handful of these videos at random and ALL of them are going to have crazy limitations.

[@Teddyluvsbrick]

I really enjoyed Rob's version of the first Halloween but the 2nd one was a huge mess. I hated how Dr Loomis does a 180 in his character, especially after being almost killed by Michael in the first one. I also thought the white horse storyline was complete rubbish. The kills were the only redeeming aspect about the 2nd one in my opinion.

[@virgie4715]

I used to hate the white horse aspect and believed it was only so Sheri had a role. I still believe it was only so Sheri had a role, but I think it could’ve worked had it been explained more. I think it was a hallucination symbolic of whatever plagued Michael’s mind and how Laurie had that same issue, it just kinda... slowly “opened” by her trauma and her time with him that first night. Idk I think he could’ve done something really interesting with that and add a deeper element.

[@gachoman2012]

“Likes the first half better.” You’ve never talked to me Mr. Zombie.

[@hamupinhere]

I know, why hasn't he talked to anyone who liked neither of the halves?

[@nicholas4252]

Most people I know, including myself, dislike the first half and like or at least don't hate the second half of the first movie. There's elements of the origin story that just doesn't sit right with me.

[@gachoman2012]

@@nicholas4252 It’s okay at best the first few scenes are straight trash. The Smiths groves scenes are decent too.

[@Seiryu64]

An over-explanation of Michael's motivations to kill that feels more like a desperate justification because of how aggressively unlikeable EVERY character is written was easily the worst part of the movie imo

[@seannanana84]

My biggest complaint about the remake is it took out the mystery of Meyers and became a text book cliche explination of how one becomes a psychopath. I mean the kid hurt animals had a crap family life and was bullied... I found the whole first half unnecessary. What makes Meyers so unnerving is his lack of motive. I saw the 2nd one at the theater and never saw it again. It wasn't good.

[@SonnyJim173]

The cop that finds Laurie walking is one of the greatest actors I've ever seen in a movie

[@Scarlet_Officer]

Aka Brad Dourif.

[@zmbdog]

Screw getting shot in the face, somebody ask Zombie how/why _young_ Michael also returns as a ghost!! And how is he able to physically restrain Laurie at one point? Did Zombie just forget that young and old Michael are not different people?

[@jfrsnjhnsn]

No, Rob has said that Michael, mentally, is frozen at that age. He never grew up from being young Michael in his mind. The ghosts of the Mom and young Michael are a delusion that Michael and Laurie are both sharing with each other. That’s why Laurie is being held down by a hallucination.

[@dermagnus8482]

Just saw both one single time. Absolutely enough. I have seen the originals dozens of times. That says it all.

[@BBAERSTANCE1]

Yea they are heartless

[@ianrotten4453]

Oh, you poor bastard. I did the same and 🤔...

[@fernie-fernandez]

So how was Halloween: Resurrection, by the way…!?

[@jeffpatton2866]

I couldn't even finish part 2. Halfway through I cut it off and haven't watched it since. Worst horror movie I have ever seen.

[@rankrodent2772]

Original is really overrated..

[@xav9258]

Zombie didn't set forth any 'vision' for Halloween, that was John Carpenter and Debra Hill!

[@spatchmo6938]

I don't like Rob Zombie's movies in general just because he seems incapable or unwilling to write a likeable character that isn't an evil hillbilly nihilist, but no one should have had to put up with the Weinsteins

[@hollywood21639]

All I rememberer about seeing Halloween 2 was saying after the ending was "well that fucking sucked". Lol

[@RWBprototype]

The part of Dr Phil, the guest isn't wrong at all...

[@willissudweeks1050]

Yeah but that guys worse than Phil in real life unfortunately. Screw Phil and him

[@CurtisAlfeld]

That's the guy who made the Bum Fights videos. Sure, Dr. Phil exploits people, but he's usually doing it to people who have opportunities to improve. The Bum Fights guy was exploiting people with no other options.

[@mightynathaniel5355]

@@CurtisAlfeld they didnt have no other option. but Dr phils show is upfront as well, they apply or reach out and everything is set up before hand and agreed upon. That guy knew he would be on the show and that he would be criticized but he thought that getting the additional attention by being on phil was worth it anyway. its pretty equal and they are actually working together in many ways, like 2 boxers who fight and talk trash but ultimately people buy tickets and they both make great money and business.

[@bigal3055]

@@CurtisAlfeld And yet Bumfights was still more entertaining than Zombie's H2.

[@davebooshty299]

10:28 In the Halloween 2 commentary Zombie said everyday driving to work , his offices I guess at a time He kept seeing a White horse in a field off the side of the highway and figured it looked Cool , so he tossed it in his movie with no other signifigance at all to the story.

[@eklypised]

Or a way to get his wife in it

[@tobydammit6599]

Sums his talent up as a film maker. Does it have meaning to the plot or characters? “No i just thought it looked cool”

[@smoothoperator1936]

@@tobydammit6599 Wtf???? Really Man?? That scene was the worst in all Halloween movies history...

[@rickvolcano6017]

@@tobydammit6599 Lack of talent? No one would pay you to do anything like make a movie or music. Stupid comment

[@tobydammit6599]

@@rickvolcano6017 Hey Rob. Also tarantino is a hack who steals everything. That profile pic is embarrassing for anyone above the age of 18 and not in jr college film school.

[@alphantom0657]

Were they having a contest for the most brutal death scene because they let Octavia Spencer's Nurse Daniels HAVE IT. A lot of victims that get killed in slashers you're like, "That's what you get. You shouldn't have been investigating those noises or having sex in the woods." I think they were trying to contrast Zombie's Halloween 2 with the death of the nurse in Carpenter's Halloween II, but that death felt like overkill. I genuinely felt bad for Nurse Daniels

[@markmac2206]

kinda like in RZH1 with Danny Trejo's death.

[@shaneschoeppner2868]

Margot Kidder had three franchises under her belt with Superman, The Amityville Horror, and Halloween. And she had great chemistry with Scout 💙🤯🤩

[@grapeshot]

Rob Zombie's Halloween movies you either love them or u hate them.

[@rodgerlang884]

Or you just don’t watch them. That was the choice I went with

[@CeeJayThe13th]

What if you love one and hate the other? Because that's me.

[@alexanderwatson1980]

@@CeeJayThe13th Agreed.

[@JennyofOldStones713]

Eh, not really in my case. I really enjoyed his interpretation of the original film. It wasn’t perfect, but had some interesting elements and was really scary! This film I HATED!

[@rhondathompson6942]

@J Brown HE A ONE HIT PONY GOT TO PUT HIS WIFE IN EVERY DAMN MOVIE SHE SHOULDNT SHOWN UP IN THE 2 MOVIE SHE WAS DEAD

[@SchmuckAmok]

I actually kinda dig Zombies films, even H2. The first one and Devils Rejects makes for a great double feature. I know H2 isn’t very good and most fans hate it but I can enjoy it for the sick take on anxiety and trauma the film focuses on. The whole movie feels like a fever dream. Very artsy, even executed poorly

[@ericcorley1160]

I think Rob miss understood.. most people don't like the first half ....or the second half! Lol.

[@dang75790]

Lmao

[@DaVanillaThrilla]

“A filmmaking experience Rob Zombie would like to forget.” It is also very much an experience the majority of fans would like to forget as well. Unfortunately, it is one of the best horror franchises to ever exist. So diehard fans like myself cannot just erase from memory. That being said, I hope it stains his memory just like it stains mine. He always blames the Weinsteins, but the movie was destined to suck just like all of his other movies. He refuses to let someone with talent write his movies, so they are all instantly doomed from the start. He is excels as a director, but he has the writing skills of a teenager going through a rough growth spurt.

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

What he did to Loomis was pretty cringe. Cringe is actually a good way to describe this movie as a whole.

[@yamahaguy1732]

@@travzimmerman1340 I agree it had so much potential but then turned into crap

[@dong.corleone]

@I HAVE THE DOCUMENTS Just wait till you see Loomis in the director's cut, he just even more unbearable in it

[@UnclePhil1112]

@J Brown not to mention the first movie Zombie made is almost a shot for shot remake of the original 1978 film. Aside form the first 45 minutes.

[@lastonesleft1428]

RIP donald pleasence that knockoff version of you is not how I remember loomis “aye lonnie get yo ass away from there”

[@youtubefan6822]

They weren’t too bad of movies. I enjoyed the alternate telling of the two first movies. I still watch them both in October.

[@savage9693]

I actually enjoyed these more than the recent ones

[@savagedameron1075]

“The dream sequence” in Halloween 2 was the best part. After that…smh it’s ass

[@virgie4715]

And you can’t even really give Rob full credit for that because that was from the original Halloween 2

[@josecat436]

Original halloween 2 didn’t look that brutal and cinematic lol

[@Stand_By_For_Mind_Control]

I actually liked... most of this movie. And Scout Taylor-Compton makes an amazing Magenta. And weirdly I think Zombie got worse at gore after this. But the downside? What a fucking abusive use of the Loomis character and Malcolm McDowell.

[@carterslade8771]

As someone who loves the character of Loomis, I was initially really upset about his treatment in H2, as well. But you know what, it's actually really grown on me. All of the characters in H2 are characters doomed by fate, wrangled in by inescapable destiny. This actually gave Loomis an arc by having him attempt to distance himself from his fate, trying to prosper, live a wealthy and peaceful life. But in the end, he knows he can't do it, that it is somehow wrong, and he returns to what gives him purpose, dying alongside the monster he felt he helped to create, or put another way, the boy he failed to save. It's the only movie besides the original where Loomis is really explored as a character.

[@rhondathompson6942]

@J Brown I AGREE ROB ZOMBIE SUCKS GOT PUT HIS WIFE IN EVERY DAMN MOVIE HE DOSE I LIKE THE ORIGINAL 2 HOLLWEENS BETTER THEN THIS SHIT

[@ksander1779]

This movie has something really strange going for it, i guess its the dream like atmosphere, the completely different take on Michael and Loomis, the intensity of the violence, and especially the opening act. I really dislike Rob Zombie but if it werent for interference, he couldve actually crafted something unique within a repetitive franchise

[@scottylewis8124]

For some reason, the Rob Zombie Halloween films give me flashbacks to Ang Lee's Hulk movie. Because both give a sympathetic side of the monster.

[@luiscordova4582]

They both are cliche backstories though, like they're just recycled ideas

[@scottylewis8124]

@@luiscordova4582 hmm...

[@WaterborneCamper]

I sat through about half of the first one. I had zero interest in the second.

[@dang75790]

It was unbearable lol

[@JnEricsonx]

It's because Rob didn't want to do a follow up, he regarded as a one and done-I agree. But they were gonna do it anyway, so he basically took the money and ran. I remember watching this and going "WTF".

[@jaredwatt9846]

The first ten minutes was amazing, then ooof. Wife still laughs at me about the white horse

[@kayprivate2720]

RZ would have knocked a Chain Saw Massacre remake out of the park with Bill Mosely, Sheri and Sid when he was still with us. Doing a gritty backwoods 70s throwback, he would have nailed it, cause he did great with The Devil's Rejects. It's just hard to bring that backwoods, crazy shit show family to a classic like Halloween. However RZ halloween 2 hospital chase, hands down one of the best chase scenes. Nights In White Satin eerily playing in the background, the rain shots. That scene is so good. And Annie's death scene. The shots, fade to black and hearing her scream, then her dad finding her. I cried.

[@HemaDarshithChandra]

It's too good that it's bad I have watched all the Halloween movies this weekend this is the most disturbing of all

[@TDW2364]

As illogical as it is Rob Zombie’s original came out in the summer too. H20 and Resurrection as well.

[@ryanbenson4610]

I remember thinking this was bull! Couldn’t believe it.

[@juliajones2318]

Yes but H20 was actually a good film lol

[@JnEricsonx]

@@juliajones2318 I remember standing up and clapping at the end of H20. I figured they were done, since they'd basically already killed off Freddy and Jason. Oh I was not happy when Resurrection came out.

[@Nostalgicguy2242]

Yeah... summer's not a good time for horror, there's gotta be chill in the air for you to feel it

[@robertchambers6344]

It holds up. The mask is perfect. And it's A SCARY FILM.

[@MinasTsambanis]

How Michael survived after being shot in the face? How about Laurie missing her target and not able to realise that since she was completely off the trails?

[@fromunderthekilt6310]

Happens a lot actually. I’ve heard of many stories of people getting shot in the head, where the bullet bounces off the skull, just grazes, hits the skull but misses the brain and vital arteries…..I do wish they just ended that version with that though. Made Michael actually human foe once.

[@MM73..]

Rob Zombie’s Halloween movies are my favorite.

[@OrphanCrippler1]

Absolutely diabolically bad taste

[@jasonmb9465]

I guess I'm one of the few that enjoyed all his movies, I really liked both of his Halloween movies and I'm looking forward to the Munsters..

[@Mark-co8gt]

Oh thanks a lot, just ruined my day. Can't believe they'd let him touch the Munsters 😭

[@wstine79]

My biggest complaint was how the beginning of the movie was just a dream sequence.

[@davidthieroff9452]

Agreed. I sorta like the movie but can't get past the fact that the first half hour means nothing. Complete filler.

[@stefanfilipovits21]

That did feel really cheap

[@JonnyDarko602]

When I was younger i just thought of it as a memory but then i grew up and realized that makes no sense lol

[@filmbuff2777]

A dream sequence might have worked better if it wasn't so long.

[@rickvolcano6017]

@@davidthieroff9452 They are showing you how traumatized she was and that she is not ok after the first movie. Such a stupid complaint. SMH 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

[@majinally3527]

y’all ever wonder if they ever get tired of trying to end michael? like doesn’t that get boring? at some point i feel like someone would just let him win

[@thatwilightzone4760]

Right, and it starts to get predictable, because every killer horror film you know what the ending will be EVERYTIME

[@bulbies3010]

I love this movie for how batshit crazy it is, and not being like all the other films.

[@NBrook666]

It’s just like every other slasher movie though, nothing special

[@misticace9148]

same yo you cant beat these Halloweens

[@Luis-ov8eq]

This movie is fucking awful. It looks like a music video in some parts, like just get to the fucking kills. Too many unnecessary shots.

[@Stonetemplepilot45]

I enjoy it more than a chunk of the franchise. The directors cut made a huge difference. On the other hand, the theatrical cut was awful

[@JasonMyers1212]

the 1st halloween from rob zombie was not bad but the 2nd one was unwatchable

[@111highgh]

I love the Halloween franchise. It's awesome.

[@tomcameron1770]

I saw an interview with Rob Zombie, where he talked about making this movie, and the studio kept ringing him saying “we think you should do this” and “we think you should do that” with the movie while he was in the middle of making it. That must of been fucking annoying to have to deal with all of those frustrating things. I might get some flack for this, but I actually like this movie. I think of it as it’s own movie with its own version of Michael. People need to stop thinking of the original, and comparing this version of Michael to the originals version. Nothing beats the original film of course, but this version is on a completely different path to the original film, which also leaves the original untouched, and not compromised. The original film is a masterpiece, but this movie is also a good way to explore different ideas.

[@WolfkingSybren]

Eventhough I really like RZ H2, I never knew the Weinstein's were so miserable during production...and I was hoping to find that making of-documantary that now I know got lost because of the hectic and problematic shooting/ production. I know a large number of fans hated this raw and heavy sequel, but I always had a thing for H2 being what it ended up being..a Dr. Loomis who became an arrogant exploiter of Michael's story and massacre, but to be fair, Rob Zombie had the guts to go this daring, even to some account realistic aftermath of the characters, including Laurie spiraling down into insanity, and having Annie and Chief Bracket return to live troubled lives since the event of the already known 78/07 storyline. I think just like Halloween III, this movie will be seen as a decent sequel, when the years have passed...because it is a well made movie with some controversial and never attended before looks, actions and gore the 2018 movie used again but suddenly more accepted. I'm sorry for Rob that the movie had so much problems while making it and those damn Weinsteins fucking up because they didn't have enough trust in the director/ writer

[@shawnkeith2414]

I LIKE BOTH OF ROB ZOMBIE HALLOWEEN MOVIES ALSO KILLS WAS SAVAGE

[@CanImakeamilliondollars]

I actually hated Halloween 2018, Michael's kills were so tame when compared to rob zombie's visceral kills.

[@WolfkingSybren]

@@CanImakeamilliondollars now the upcoming Halloween Kills movie is promising to be the most brutal movie of the franchise, however, I'm curious to see how much this movie can be more brutal than RZ H2

[@CanImakeamilliondollars]

@@WolfkingSybren I'm actually excited for the new Halloween movie, it looks promising. Fingers crossed.

[@WolfkingSybren]

@@CanImakeamilliondollars I am as well! Huge fan of the franchise here and now after that one year delay, I'm so looking forward to the next chapter ( and its Carpenter score)

[@robbyrdog]

Rob Zombie really made the Halloween kills feel real. I still can remember the scene where the guy gets hit in the head with the bat and his twitching or when he cuts the guys neck off with a piece of glass lol

[@RichardWolfe79]

I dig them both. I didn’t like part 2 at first, but I did after a second watch.

[@my-king]

I must be the only person who enjoyed these movies from Zombie.

[@Sentryman002]

I liked these movies, too, friend.

[@roterfuchs8201]

People (horror fans) get well to snobby & harsh on his stuff, i think it's well good that he makes movies/comics/music always doing something creative.

[@cognitivedissonance8406]

I like them. I don’t think they’re brilliant filmmaking, but I really do enjoy them. I especially like the atmosphere, the rainy hospital parking lot, the grimy truck stop bathroom. It’s just fun

[@roterfuchs8201]

@@cognitivedissonance8406 His attention to detail, set & costume design are my favorite things in his films

[@garrettfrey5731]

Nope your not the only one I love his Halloween films too

[@declancochran2882]

There is a coterie of internet film nerds who consider Halloween 2 one of the great works of visual art so far this century. While I'm not one of them, it is a hilariously misunderstood film that deserves as much recognition as at least most of the original films. Zombie's love of the possibilities of colour and digital photography is deeply infectious.

[@lopirobinson1991]

For all the crap Zombie gets for his Halloweens look what he did with such horrible working conditions. The man is a great film maker.

[@quentinross2104]

I actually love this movie well as far as the theatrical cut the director’s cut is decent but I prefer the theatrical cut cause it has a better ending and it has a better version of Laurie strode I know this is probably the most hated Halloween film but it’s one of my favorites🎃

[@quentinross2104]

@@positivepsycho2932 yea the directors cut is ehh but the theatrical cut is very enjoyable for me and I’m not even a fan of Rob himself Halloween 2 theatrical cut is the only film from him I can say I enjoy

[@TheShootersBay]

Man I love your channel keep doing what you are doing!

[@blackforge1374]

These movies, especially the first one, were so g*ddamn relentless, and I loved them just for that. The stuff with the ghost of Michael's mother was the most off-putting part of the sequel, imo.

[@sykoticwolf]

I wish he did do more of a RZ version of H2 Remake in the Hospital, I loved how this movie started, had he kept that flow I would of loved watching his Michael tear up the hospital. I was so fucking pissed when she woke up, like I said if he had kept it in the hospital for the majority of the movie, it would of been a absolute killfest.

[@rodgerlang884]

I love that you get a 13 minute video when the answer is simply “Rob Zombie happened”

[@fernie-fernandez]

I guess you’ve ignored Weinstein…

[@morganthus6323]

Maybe actually watch the video

[@Woog87]

I am in the complete minority saying that I somewhat enjoyed this film. Myers was as brutal as ever. Loved the psychology behind it. Shame it didn't pan out.

[@K2daMFG]

RZH2 is a classic! Probably, the most brutal and sad murders in any Halloween film. We'll see how H Kills goes...

[@K2daMFG]

@CJ P. everyone sees it different. I disagree with you, but that's fine, right? Beers for everyone! 🍺

[@twiceshy9773]

I had no idea they let Rob Zombie do a sequel!! Lol holy crap, now I gotta watch it- I love a "so bad it's good" movie

[@luvtv7433]

it is actually better than the first one, I love it.

[@luvtv7433]

@Lt.Dangle I am just sick of watching Jamie Lee Curtis ruining the movies, she is just a cheesy actress

[@richtifilmpalast5373]

Zombie is a pretty good example of an artist that first falls for the (short lived) hype around him and his work and later on starts to believe his own bullshit

[@NazarethPriest]

Rob Zombie's version was the absolute worse. He reduced Michael's motivation to being from a dysfunctional family. He moved about like Leather-Face, as oppose to the ghostly sleepwalking type boogieman. I guess we could appreciate the visuals, like the mask and the poster. It had good parts, but on a whole it was crappy. It felt like it was geared specifically for a Rob Zombie audience. Rob Zombie's other movies were classics, but HALLOWEEN was Zombie out of his lane. HALLOWEEN was a project for someone who understands how to create an unseen, stalking mysterious dreadnought that moved in and out of the shadows. Zombie's films had killers who were real humans, but very, very twisted. And an element that was ignored in most of the sequals was Michael's eyes. Not seeing his eyes, but just darkness, added to his mystery.

[@ojmcclanahan689]

I personally enjoy the director's cut of Halloween II. I was happy that it wasn't just the same old shit we had already seen over and over, and I got into the underlining story of madness being hereditary. To each their own of course, but I liked it.

[@Stonetemplepilot45]

The directors cut made a massive difference, the theatrical was shit

[@ojmcclanahan689]

@@Stonetemplepilot45 I have to agree with you there. The only thing the theatrical done different from the director's cut that I like better is the time frame. In the director's cut it's two years after the events of the first movie, in the theatrical it's one year which I think makes more sense. Besides that, the director's cut is far better.

[@NYC_Goody]

I enjoyed the first one. Hated the second one. I can't stand that so many fanbases including this one demands remakes or "reimaginings" be just like the originals or else it's trash. That being said, I strongly feel the second one is trash. And not because it didn't follow the Halloween formula.

[@ojmcclanahan689]

@@NYC_Goody You're entitled to feel that way, brother. I also hate the way the fanbases view these films. You can't really please them. If you change something, they have a stroke. If you keep something the same, they call you a hack and, of course, they have a stroke. I think one of the best remakes we ever got was Friday The 13TH 2009, but people complained about that one too. Fuck'em.

[@cicolasnage5684]

I agree, but you can’t please anyone. Had zombie went the remake route then he would have been trashed for following closet to the original sequel. He does something different and Still ate shit. It’s like Prometheus: people bitched and moaned about it wasn’t Alien enough, so Ridley Scott gives the fans what they want in covenant and still gets shit. Smh. All in a I liked the sequel.

[@Ty-Mirrors]

Rob should’ve just made his own slasher franchise instead of trying to remake Halloween.

[@lambknot]

I hated what they did to Dr. Loomis.

[@stefanfilipovits21]

The only sympathetic character was Annie. The rest are HORRIBLE. It’s crazy what they did to Loomis .

[@multitudeofidols]

His depiction in the first film is okay, but turning him into an egotistical publicity hound for the second is one of the biggest "what the fuck were they thinking?" transformations of an established character I've ever seen.

[@SlasherIncorporated]

@@stefanfilipovits21 My thoughts exactly. The Bracketts were the only characters I cared about and sympathized with.

[@luiscordova4582]

@@SlasherIncorporated and there was no point to their deaths at all, laurie doesn't even see them dead during the rest of the film

[@adampellett4917]

When I first saw the second Halloween by Rob Zombie I was modified with great despair. It losing the great Halloween franchise with bad reputation that Rob Zombie cannot direct. Not a good career for the music sensation in directing. Damn.

[@scottylewis8124]

Next film you should cover should be The Final Destination. I'm dying to know how a promising final movie in that series turned into a reviled mess.

[@TheSummitCove]

i actually really like this movie. 1978, then h2, 2018, h20 and then this one, made the top 5 for me lol

[@TheCosmicFireStar]

Not sure how things would have gone if they made a part 3 to Rob Zombie's films, he didn't want to film anymore, they lost momentum, we ended up getting Halloween 2018, we also got its two sequel Halloween Kills and Halloween Ends but they've been held up by COVID.

[@yamahaguy1732]

This October we get Halloween kills

[@flaccid_hotdog1620]

Hallon kills

[@TheCosmicFireStar]

@@flaccid_hotdog1620 I just noticed that spelling error thank you for informing me.

[@shep6489]

I've read the script to Halloween 3D and it certainly is..... interesting. It was written by Patrick Lussier, Zombie had nothing to do with the project itself.

[@ee1yd]

forgot I even watched the 2018 one, was that forgettable

[@tonyharden7159]

The 1978 and 1981 versions will always be what this is known for. That said, I like Rob Zombie's 2007 version. I also need to say that Scout Taylor Compton is my favorite Laurie Strobe and she is absolutely - BEAUTIFUL - in this movie!!!!

[@princevalium25]

I know I'm in the minority here, but I actually quite enjoy both of his Halloween movies. Yes, there is a lot that could have been improved, but I still find them a lot of fun to watch. I rewatch them every year right before halloween

[@misterx4757]

Yes

[@Nostalgicguy2242]

Him having pro wrestler Kane portay Michael in the first movie was brilliant.. especially since Kane is pro wrestling version of Michael Myers/Jason Voorhes..

[@christianalexander579]

@@Nostalgicguy2242 that wasn't kane playing Michael Kane is bald he doesn't have long hair anymore

[@MidnightShayd]

@@Nostalgicguy2242 that wasn't kane lmao

[@Jesus-sg3bi]

Rob Zombie 's Michael Myers is played by Tyler Mane.

[@HorrorMetalDaniels]

i need that documentary like yesterday

[@DarthPerkins]

If a consummate professional and all-round-good-guy like Bill Moseley walks off set... that means MAJOR problems.

[@JescoJimBo]

This movie is one of the all-time greats!

[@AA-oc3kx]

Rob Zombie's desperate attempts to give his wife as much screen time as possible surely shows in this horrendous display of filth. Vulgar mouth, 70's aesthetic and gore = RZ. I used to think RZ was bad at horror, until i watched Rzh1 and Rzh2, and now i think he is the worst. That's just my views of him as a film creator. Then my view of him personally went down as he lied on a legends' name. never piss off the best, John fuckin carpenter.

[@fernie-fernandez]

…So did Halloween: Resurrection did any better…!? Still, I’m surprised you didn’t mentioned Paul WS Anderson & Milla…

[@Emulous79]

What are you, a priest? And stop hating on her. It's not hip.

[@rolmodel12.]

@@fernie-fernandez gaaawwd, seriously! Paul Anderson and Milla = garbage. I like very little (first R.E. is alright, and I think Event Horizon receive's too much hate) of his filmography to begin with, but he can't make a video game adaptation, or write a story, to save his life. Friends in high places HAS to be how he keep's getting funded. I can think of no other reason, as the last couple of his "films" have not exactly been box office smashes. Alright, I am climbing off the soap box. 😏

[@rankrodent2772]

Halloween 78 is boring and dated imo...

[@fernie-fernandez]

@@rolmodel12. I mean jeez, how did Event Horizon and Pandorum failed badly for him?

[@gamesthatiplay9083]

Watching DVD commentary and the behind the scenes documentary explains a lot more.

[@JonnyDarko602]

I love that Dr Phil show clip

[@gSlover4reel]

That was hilarious. "Dr" Phil is such a phony pile of trash

[@Dru2037]

He's not licensed to practice, he's a tv doctor.

[@DarthPerkins]

The guest had a point, but he was there due to an horrendous act. It's a bit like Hitler berating people for jumping the queue.

[@LuffyBlack]

@@DarthPerkins What did he do?

[@DarthPerkins]

@@LuffyBlack He made a series of films called 'Bumfights' which landed him in court. Imagine if 'Jackass' was made by sociopaths with no regard for human life or dignity and it's in that ballpark. Don't Bing it, it's pretty grim.

[@paulberry2884]

Rob Zombie should not be allowed to remake classics. Imagine a Rob Zombie psycho. Marion Crane would come onto Norman Bates and totally stir up his psychopath tendencies. Can't wait for his Sound of Music with a nymphomaniac Maria and zombie Nazis.

[@bloodsweatandbeers9670]

I totally loved Robs version. was more savage and raw

[@JasonVoorheesFriday13th]

He took a risk with this film... and it failed.

[@nickcds3419]

That opening 20 min is insane. It shows just how much potential RZ has if he could just stay out if his own way.

[@hemmygrant]

Love the zombie movies, the first 20 minutes of the second one is perfect. The gore after the coroners pick him up and crash into the cow is so great. Dream sequences got a little silly But they are brutally violent movies and the mask is Incredible...too much hate out there for These

[@kiprandom7208]

Knowing that Mr. Zombie dislikes 2 it makes that unenjoyable movie more bearable

[@shogekimura]

i personally loved both "adaptations" of Halloween he made. However, i honestly can't recall anyone i've ever talked to that liked them as much as i did. Yes its not really in the same vain or style as the originals but lets be honest, many of the remakes are terrible. His are by far the most brutal and i actually like the stylization he adds. just my opinion.

[@pohoreskeyauto4691]

I agree with your entire post and I’ve never met anyone that likes them as much as me either.

[@jkcarthron]

I think if the story of 'Michael meyers' was real, it would learn more towards the Zombie story - They make me uncomfortable and that's the entire point of the genre lol. They're dope to me

[@luiscordova4582]

@@jkcarthron not really, the remake is so over exaggerated, and over dramatic, its more likely someone will be killed by just a random phsyco(like in the original) than having your unknown brother escape in order to reunite with you after you've been separated from him because of what he did to your original family and all of that its just so exaggerated,how in the hell did he even know she was his sister? Its not like he recogcnizes her name since they changed it and she was a baby when he last saw her,its just all very crazy for it to happen, im not saying it cant but its one of those 1 in a million type of chances, its to convinient, the guy also escapes the mental asylum by breaking the chains without an effort killing every cop that had a shotgun(all of them), even the alternative scene is very convinient and crazy, he also killed two armed cops without effort towards the end, it just isn't naturalistic, the only crazy scenes in the original are when he pins up bob to the wall and when he survives at the end( the latter can even have a natural explanation) thats all there was to it

[@timothypolanco8622]

@@jkcarthron If you truly think that than your a bigger idiot than I originally thought.

[@hemmygrant]

Love them , love the mask

[@Rando1975]

Zombie's Halloween 2 is one of the few films that is almost universally hated. It's very rare that I ever hear someone they it's good.

[@TheTaylw1]

When I re-watched both the 2007 remake and this film, I've learned to appreciate them more. They are actually way better than I remember. They don't compare to the OG 1978 classic but there really is something special here! I especially really enjoyed the second one just a little bit more. I know that's the one that gets the most hate but I loved it personally!

[@shan5963]

Sounds like a bunch of excuses because Zombie KNOWS part 2 sucks on every single level possible. Miserable movie.

[@filmbuff2777]

This has interesting ideas, but Zombie ruined it by putting his perverse brutality. Too much over the top violence & vile language, like the sicko paramedic that wanted to do you know what with one of the victims's bodies. I do like the psychological exploration of the survivors. The scene where Brackett is telling Annie & Laurie about Lee Marvin was a great scene. Things like that I really liked. Unfortunately, the violence was boring & too over the top. We've seen Michael Myers kill people, but we hadn't seen a Halloween movie do some psychological exploration. The film is also very well made, & its use of 16mm really looked very good. It is better made than ANY of the sequels after 3. 4-6 are some of the most badly made abominations I've ever seen. Zombie's Halloween 2 isn't a good film, but it is better than any of the sequels that came before he got involved. The 2018 version utilized Zombie's idea for a psychological examination much better, as it wasn't filled with too much over the top gore & foul language.

[@jakepayne2985]

Foul language?? You’re fucking 41 years old, get over it. The violence in this movie is visceral, intense, and wonderfully brutal.

[@dtower1825]

@@jakepayne2985 Nah, I gotta agree; too much foul language can be laborious. I watched this recently and the best part of this film for me is the first 20 or so minutes. After that, I think it’s absolutely woeful. But I disagree it’s better than 3-6. I’d rather watch those than this one.

[@jakepayne2985]

@@dtower1825 Yeah, he is overboard with his colorful language. I can’t joke any longer and say he’s not. I think this is the 3rd best in the franchise, though. And it showcased PTSD wayyyy better than H18 did. Even if the characters are mostly hate-able, aside from Brad Douriff. And Michael is a force in this one, totally badass and threatening.

[@dtower1825]

@@jakepayne2985 Definitely agree with you about the PTSD. I remember at the start where she’s asking if she’s going to die in the hospital, as well as when she’s talking to her therapist about seeing someone dressed up as a monster, or something. Remember thinking that is spot on. That is how PTSD can manifest itself. But I think it unravels after that. Michael just walks in to scenes and kills people for the sake of it. Spending so much time on his psychology was also a mistake, I feel. The whole thing feels undercooked. I’d rather have had more time spent dealing with the trauma suffered by Laurie and Annie afterward. They’re the ones who mattered. (And Brad Douriff, who is the man!) Instead everyone feels like fodder. Just feels completely undercooked to me.

[@jakepayne2985]

@@dtower1825 Those are fair criticisms, that I could possibly respond to. But my brain is fried, so my only rebuttal is….but it’s just so badass to watch Michael take out that fodder! You’re right tho.

[@doctabaldhead]

I feel like what makes this one particularly insulting is that Rob thought he was making an art film when all he did was throw some empty symbolism into one of his typical hackjobs where everyone is as trashy and unpleasant as humanly possible. Loomis wasn't any more farfetched than Michael but Rob just couldn't fathom the idea of having a semi-decent character in the main cast.

[@ianrotten4453]

I can lett everyone at least one thing, Rob Zombie is no John Carpenter...

[@vampirascoffin870]

Nooooo......you think?

[@RaphaelRemington6969]

Neither are you

[@norseczar27]

I love 31

[@joaopedrogoncalves7741]

Thank God for that

[@jc.1191]

@@RaphaelRemington6969 I am...

[@PopCultureAnticSS]

I heard Rob Zombie in a interview years before hates sequels or remakes.But than admitted he just did it for money.

[@staceyd8397]

Whole truckload of money

[@ronaldclayton8347]

Rob zombies Halloween 2 is a great movie,I think it's one of the 3 best films he made along with part 1 and devil's rejects.

[@pyromaniac709]

The first one was such a refreshing take,this one had good scenes but wasnt really necessary

[@-redacted_by_youtube]

What happened? Rob zombie happened. The man sucks at making movies. Why they gave him this franchise is beyond me. He made only one ok movie and we all know what that is. Even that is still hard to watch. Stick to making bad music Rob.

[@KingMasadaX]

Thankyou Jason Blum, Halloween has some of the most vocal and loyal horror fans, and Weinsteins took advantage of our patience, Halloween needs to be done a certain way, or the fans tell them, and just the fact that there has not been 2 good Halloween movies that were praised in a row, and loved, since Halloween 1978 & Halloween II, after them, 4 was good, 5 & 6 were hated, then H20 was loved, then Resurrection became a meme, hopefully Jason, Jamie, John & Malek can break that 1 good, 1 bad record, with 2 or 3 great movies in a row. Also I wish Danielle Harris would be written in somehow so Jamie is canon again, Dani's the best part of 4 and made 5, H1 & H2 somewhat watchable

[@markula_4040]

Rob Zombie is full of shit. Nobody thought the first part of his Halloween remake where he gave us an unnecessary origin story was the best part. I can see why his Halloween 2 sucked so bad based on that delusion.

[@damonmcfarland9364]

if that first 10 minutes is what he calls part of what people liked about part 1.......he an kiss my backside. that crap lost me for the entire film.

[@MrGean83]

I like the back story myself.

[@Dru2037]

I like the first movie but in the second when he took liberties with the characters he lost me.

[@ShaquanFromKP]

I literally only love RZH for the 1st part with the backstory.... I turn it off after he breaks out. And I'm not the only one.

[@SammyNail]

I can't locate the interview sadly, but i remember Rob Zombie being on The Howard Stern show after the movie had come out and had talked about the scripts given to him for this sequel. As stated in this video he hated everything he was shown, but in that interview with Stern it sounded as if he was begged to comeback and took what he thought was the best and re-wrote it into what is was. Calling it "A polished turd" I wish i could find that interview because it fills in gaps in the story for this movies production.

[@tyronereid6094]

I'm just so glad they made a new halloween movie. To get this piece of s*** out of my mind.

[@ee1yd]

Zzz

[@lastonesleft1428]

Facts!!!!! This movie is trailer trash and disrespectful to the og of the genre

[@dong.corleone]

@@lastonesleft1428 get this, out of both the Rob Zombie films, some fans actually give this the MOST love for some reason, just why!?!?

[@lastonesleft1428]

@@dong.corleone they probably never seen the og Halloween film to appreciate the true mystique of the shape so they settle for this trailer trash alternate